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| yunta_ | RzR: afaik VMs we ship are 32bit regardless of bit-ness of installer and qt-creator. So, if you're altering vm's by hardcore-file-copying, you have to mix and match carefully :) | 00:34 |
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| tidux | so, question about the guts of Sailfish | 02:41 |
| tidux | will it have proper CUPS support available, or AirPrint? | 02:41 |
| tidux | because printing in Android is a complete clusterfuck | 02:42 |
| tidux | saying "print as easily as an iPhone" would be a big win | 02:42 |
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| covox | you can print easily on an iphone? | 03:10 |
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| tidux | from what I heard | 03:15 |
| tidux | with AirPrint anyway | 03:15 |
| tidux | seems easy to set up | 03:15 |
| tidux | combine that with Linux style access to the filesystem and you'd be golden | 03:15 |
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| covox | isn't there zero expectation of printing support within an iOS app | 03:18 |
| covox | apple probably grafted it onto pages and numbers, for obvious reasons, but I doubt most iOS users know it exists | 03:20 |
| tidux | yeah, but still it proves you can use IPP and mDNS to do network printing without 30GB of drivers | 03:25 |
| covox | that may be, but where's the demand from mobile users to print stuff | 03:30 |
| tidux | well I'd want it | 03:30 |
| tidux | maybe I'll just make an app for it | 03:30 |
| covox | what would you even print | 03:31 |
| tidux | PDFs | 03:32 |
| tidux | 1. use mobile device to SSH to big server somewhere | 03:32 |
| tidux | 2. write in LaTeX or groff | 03:32 |
| tidux | 3. compile to PDF | 03:32 |
| tidux | 4. scp/sftp to mobile device | 03:33 |
| tidux | 5. print | 03:33 |
| tidux | I've done this a few times | 03:33 |
| covox | make an app for it :P | 03:39 |
| tidux | righty-o | 03:40 |
| tidux | admittedly it would be more useful on tablets | 03:41 |
| tidux | where you can hook up a keyboard and write with vim | 03:41 |
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| MFaroTusino | I can't get the sdk running :/ | 09:10 |
| niweber | MFaroTusino: what is the problem? | 09:11 |
| MFaroTusino | I am using a ubuntu vm so i think its that | 09:11 |
| MFaroTusino | I chmod +x then ./Sailfish... | 09:11 |
| MFaroTusino | and it just displays no file/folder found | 09:11 |
| MFaroTusino | even though i have cd to the directory of the .run file | 09:12 |
| niweber | ok, that is a bit weird | 09:12 |
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| Stskeeps | MFaroTusino: are you on 32 or 64 it | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | bit | 09:12 |
| MFaroTusino | i am running as root | 09:12 |
| MFaroTusino | i am on 64 i think, but got the 32 just to be sure | 09:12 |
| MFaroTusino | would that be why? | 09:13 |
| niweber | I would recommend installing as the user you want to develop with into that users homedir | 09:13 |
| niweber | It could be that you are missing some compatibility libraries | 09:13 |
| niweber | installing 64 bit could fix your problem | 09:13 |
| Jonni | MFaroTusino: sdk should not be installed as root | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | MFaroTusino: es, get the 64 bit one then | 09:13 |
| Stskeeps | and what jonni said | 09:14 |
| niweber | (it is mainly the installer itself and QtCreator that are 64 bit in that package, rest is the same as 32 bit) | 09:14 |
| MFaroTusino | okay didn't even think about that as being the reason, will try 64-bit now | 09:15 |
| MFaroTusino | thanks for the support guys, will let you know how it goes | 09:15 |
| niweber | welcome and please report back :) | 09:15 |
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| MFaroTusino | it worked, thanks guys :) | 09:31 |
| MFaroTusino | off to get coding :) | 09:32 |
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| niweber | :) | 09:32 |
| meegoexperts | Good luck ! | 09:33 |
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| abique|work | Hi, which devices are supported? | 10:01 |
| Stskeeps | right now? only sailfish emulator | 10:01 |
| abique|work | ok, and do you think that I'll be able to flash my samsung gs3 with it in a year? | 10:03 |
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| Stskeeps | hardware adaptation is hard, always assume that you won't be able to | 10:04 |
| abique|work | ok | 10:05 |
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| thp | in the emulator, the sailfishsilica package metadata says "License: TBD", qml files in /usr/lib/qt4/imports/Sailfish/Silica/ have a BSD license header - there's no open source git repo for silica yet, right? | 10:43 |
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| Stskeeps | correct, it was said on fosdem that it will be open source and that has to be done properly, ie, open development, and a sdk launch is not a good place to do that | 10:44 |
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| Stskeeps | the primary use of the QML parts is that you specialize the components by copy-pasting them | 10:46 |
| Stskeeps | for an app developer | 10:46 |
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| khertan | Morning | 11:09 |
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| Stskeeps | morn khertan | 11:18 |
| khertan | Stskeeps, with jolla and sailfish sdk release your mer project got a nice media cover | 11:19 |
| khertan | :) | 11:19 |
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| khertan | congratz | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | khertan: thanks, hope you enjoy the sdk too | 11:19 |
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| khertan | Stskeeps, i got a good experience with it, run like a charm, install in few minutes, run in few seconds, launch example in 2s ... oh take a look at the docs ... click click i read ... :) | 11:21 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 11:21 |
| khertan | (didn't got the same experience on the second pc ... : you need to install virtualbox : virtualbox-dkms build failed ... patch ... retry | 11:22 |
| sledges | could you please add this to topic: https://sailfishos.org/wiki/SDK_Alpha_Known_Issues ? | 11:23 |
| khertan | invoke gcc ... do voodoo magic ... come back to a released kernel instead of devel ... and oh it s works ... that my fault | 11:23 |
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| khertan | sledges, thx but that was a problem with compiling an old vbox kernel module from debian stable on a 3.8 kernel which was a devel version not even an rc :) (yeah it s my test machine) | 11:25 |
| khertan | :) | 11:25 |
| * khertan should finish BitPurse 1.5 for harmattan before trying to port it to jolla | 11:26 | |
| ali1234 | bitcoins? | 11:26 |
| khertan | ali1234, yep | 11:26 |
| ali1234 | cool | 11:26 |
| khertan | it s already works on sailfishos with harmattan component ..... but hum ... that s not integretad to the os | 11:27 |
| khertan | ali1234, https://khertan.net/static/medias/sailfish_more_apps.png | 11:28 |
| khertan | ali1234, http://www.khertan.net/pages/bitpurse.html << 0.9 version didn't manage wallet and so depends on blockchain.info MyWallet, 1.5 didn't depends on it anymore | 11:29 |
| khertan | ali1234, it s a light client like electrum | 11:30 |
| aportale | khertan: 1337! :) | 11:30 |
| khertan | :) | 11:30 |
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| khertan | be a geek or not :) | 11:30 |
| ali1234 | really cool... are you going to support the new 0.8 stuff for light clients? | 11:31 |
| khertan | hum ... oh my client didn't support yet all feature of 0.7.x :) | 11:32 |
| khertan | like signing message ... | 11:32 |
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| khertan | what's new in 0.8 ? i think it was only db changes ... | 11:32 |
| khertan | and some other optimization | 11:32 |
| ali1234 | thre is a a new protocol for light clients to get information from full nodes | 11:33 |
| khertan | oh ... | 11:33 |
| khertan | interesting | 11:33 |
| Stskeeps | indeed | 11:33 |
| * Stskeeps marks in notebook | 11:33 | |
| ali1234 | "Bloom filter" support in the network protocol for sending only relevant transactions to lightweight clients. | 11:34 |
| ali1234 | that's all i know (from changelog) you'll have to google the rest :) | 11:34 |
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| khertan | ali1234, i'm lucky : https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/BIP_0037 | 11:35 |
| Stskeeps | beer for the first person who adds bitcoin as payment method to sailfishos ;) | 11:35 |
| khertan | Stskeeps, hum... BitPurse already works on sailfishvm i send a transaction with it yesterday | 11:36 |
| khertan | :) | 11:36 |
| khertan | s/send/sent | 11:36 |
| khertan | but i need to port it to use silica components | 11:37 |
| khertan | ali1234, bloom filter is an extension to p2p protocol ... so cann't really used on a phone where all phone isp lock p2p networks | 11:38 |
| ali1234 | hmm... that's only really half true | 11:38 |
| khertan | ali1234, ? | 11:39 |
| ali1234 | i mean, literally everything on the internet is p2p... | 11:39 |
| khertan | ali1234, yes i know but most phone contrator lock some port/protocol with proxy and other ###@~{^\! things | 11:40 |
| khertan | some even use deep packet inspection methods | 11:41 |
| ali1234 | they are not looking for bitcoin though | 11:41 |
| khertan | no but for example Sfr 3G Illymithics contract blocks everything port 80 is proxyed with something that truncate all get/post answer that have answer content type application/zip, and on port 443 for https ... only http protocol is ok, everything else is connection closed | 11:46 |
| khertan | s/port/except port | 11:46 |
| ali1234 | that is highly unusual | 11:47 |
| khertan | that usual in france | 11:47 |
| khertan | :) | 11:47 |
| ali1234 | i would not accept that from a mobile provider, personally | 11:47 |
| khertan | except one provider other play the same game | 11:47 |
| ali1234 | but luckily i don't have to beause it literally does not happen in the UK on any network | 11:47 |
| khertan | even orange ? | 11:47 |
| ali1234 | not as far as i'm aware | 11:47 |
| khertan | in france there was an imap option for 5/months they open the imap port | 11:48 |
| khertan | huhu | 11:48 |
| ali1234 | lol | 11:48 |
| ali1234 | for a while t-mobile tried that with "chat" protocols | 11:48 |
| ali1234 | "pay extra and we unblock MSN" | 11:48 |
| ali1234 | but eventually they gave up | 11:49 |
| khertan | but things are quickly changing currently with the new operator "free mobile" unlimitted sms/voice/data/talk/* for 19,99 / months without duration | 11:49 |
| khertan | so other are losing clients and change strategy | 11:50 |
| * w00t has no data limit, and is happy with that | 11:50 | |
| ali1234 | neither do i, not since about 4 years ago | 11:50 |
| khertan | w00t, the data limit isn't the problem ... that the access limit :) | 11:51 |
| w00t | hmm? | 11:51 |
| khertan | w00t, youtube isn't accessible with more than a few byte/s :) | 11:51 |
| w00t | yeah, ok, i don't have that :) | 11:52 |
| khertan | of all that for saying that i ll avoid doing p2p for BitPurse in attemps to make it works with all operators :) | 11:53 |
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| Stskeeps | http://vimeo.com/60547343 - good demo of the emulato | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | r | 12:02 |
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| cle | hey, when Jolla will release armv7hl image ? | 12:07 |
| cle | i don't know | 12:07 |
| Stskeeps | not yet | 12:08 |
| khertan | does someone can try in a text area to enter <h1>test</h1> look like it freeze the UI on my emulator | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | enjoy the emulator for now | 12:08 |
| cle | so, we need that image for debug/test | 12:08 |
| cle | ok thanks Stskeeps | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | the emulator is just as good for that, it's a full OS | 12:08 |
| Stskeeps | khertan: hmm.. | 12:08 |
| khertan | Stskeeps, that s with the component gallery apps | 12:09 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: ^ | 12:09 |
| khertan | i ll check a 4th time to see if i can understand what happen | 12:10 |
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| w00t | khertan: so, you enter <h1>test</h1> in a TextField (or TextArea) and it freezes? | 12:14 |
| khertan | Stskeeps, sorry for the trouble this time it s works | 12:14 |
| khertan | should be something else that consume ressource | 12:14 |
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| khertan | pretty strange i reproduce 3 times | 12:14 |
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| khertan | oh ... again | 12:18 |
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| khertan | w00t, compile and launch the qml gallery components, push page TextInput | 12:19 |
| khertan | scroll down to text Area | 12:19 |
| khertan | enter <h1>test</h1>, press enter until text isn't visible ... try to scroll up the text area | 12:20 |
| khertan | and ... at a moment it ll freeze (just before displaying the text line) | 12:20 |
| khertan | not sure the format in the text is the problem | 12:20 |
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| Yaniel | maybe it is just scrolling a text area | 12:23 |
| Yaniel | I had it once too | 12:23 |
| Yaniel | but was not sure what I did to break it | 12:23 |
| khertan | it s strange the device seems to be doing nothing | 12:24 |
| khertan | look like it didn't listen anymore the mouse | 12:24 |
| Yaniel | scrolling with the mouse wheel? | 12:24 |
| khertan | yep :) | 12:24 |
| khertan | i just notice that scrolling with the mouse wheel while focus in text do the same things | 12:25 |
| Yaniel | how about dragging? | 12:25 |
| khertan | after that pointer didn't answer | 12:25 |
| khertan | i ll try ... vm restarting | 12:25 |
| khertan | i launch a reboot in the wrong ssh windows | 12:26 |
| khertan | :) | 12:26 |
| khertan | host of the vm rebooting | 12:26 |
| w00t | at the least, I can't reproduce it with those steps, but I'm not trying in the emulator, and I also probably have a newer silica than the SDK has at the moment, so I'm probably not much use as a datapoint here | 12:26 |
| sledges | tip for your webdesigners: at https://sailfishos.org/ the "At freenode #xyz" could hyperlink to "http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#xyz" | 12:28 |
| lbt | sledges: yes - it says that in the contact page itself | 12:28 |
| khertan | that s didn't happen with mouse dragging just only when using srolling with the mouse wheel and focus is in a text input field | 12:28 |
| lbt | but a bigger tip would be "don't have all the pages as standalone, non-templated, raw html" :/ | 12:29 |
| lbt | thus making editing all footers an hour long job! | 12:29 |
| aslani | lbt: you are welcome to jekyll that site if you want | 12:29 |
| aslani | also jed:in those footers take's 2 minutes? | 12:30 |
| sledges | sed -i PATTERN FILE ... :) | 12:30 |
| aslani | hehe | 12:30 |
| khertan | aslani, you mean pelican | 12:30 |
| aslani | wellsed | 12:30 |
| aslani | well sed I mean | 12:30 |
| lbt | aslani: I'm tempted | 12:30 |
| Yaniel | well sed indeed | 12:31 |
| lbt | jed? | 12:31 |
| aslani | lbt: that was our original intent of course... before few redesigns... | 12:31 |
| lbt | *g* I know | 12:31 |
| aslani | sed I meant | 12:31 |
| khertan | lbt raw html is perfect if you didn't want to spend money on huge server just for rendering page :) | 12:31 |
| lbt | oh... I was thinking of emacs multi-edit mode | 12:31 |
| lbt | khertan: naw - offline generation would be fine | 12:31 |
| sledges | lol Yaniel | 12:32 |
| lbt | jekyll can do that afaik | 12:32 |
| khertan | lbt, pelican so : | 12:32 |
| khertan | :) | 12:32 |
| khertan | pelican is a jekyll clone ... but better ... of course it s python code | 12:32 |
| khertan | :) | 12:32 |
| khertan | </troll§ | 12:33 |
| khertan | > | 12:33 |
| khertan | i remember seeing a link 'know issue on the site ... but can't found it' | 12:33 |
| khertan | roh ! | 12:34 |
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| khertan | is there a bug tracker ? | 12:34 |
| lbt | I though hyde was the python variant | 12:35 |
| lbt | khertan: no, not yet | 12:35 |
| lbt | khertan: you can report bugs against upstream though | 12:35 |
| khertan | lbt, as usual with python there is multiple variant of clone of other language lib | 12:35 |
| lbt | so Mer owns the QtCreator part of SDK and also much of the SDK VM | 12:36 |
| khertan | lbt, not sure, look like a silica components bugs | 12:36 |
| lbt | khertan: frankly that's likely to be known already and quite possibly fixed | 12:36 |
| lbt | in general report it to the mailing list | 12:36 |
| lbt | we *do* want bug reports | 12:37 |
| khertan | let see the archive | 12:37 |
| khertan | :) | 12:37 |
| lbt | we just don't want to get heavy with a tracker on such dynamic code | 12:37 |
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| khertan | of course i understand | 12:37 |
| khertan | ok ... i reproduce the things without silica components | 12:39 |
| khertan | so clearly not that :) | 12:39 |
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| lbt | khertan: I think I've had that freeze bug during text in the emulator - I had not been able to reproduce it | 12:40 |
| khertan | lbt with current pub or newer release private ? | 12:41 |
| khertan | if newer that probably fixed and so no need to report | 12:42 |
| khertan | even upstream | 12:42 |
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| lbt | khertan: I'd report it - but when it happened to me I was not using html tags | 12:46 |
| lbt | iirc it was ~ in scroll area | 12:46 |
| Yaniel | I had some lorem ipsum | 12:47 |
| lbt | now I'm dragging on my firefox screen to scroll it :D | 12:47 |
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| tj____ | hmm nice that nested virtualization works.. i was able to run the sailfishos virtualbox thing on ubuntu 12.04 running on vmware player running on windows 7 work laptop | 12:54 |
| khertan | lbt, it s freeze without using html tag ... just focus an text field and use the wheel of a mouse to scroll | 12:54 |
| lbt | khertan: OK - that simply will never have been tried | 12:55 |
| lbt | yah - scroll up with mouse == crash ? | 12:55 |
| khertan | lbt, :p | 12:56 |
| * lbt edits known issues | 12:56 | |
| khertan | lbt, that s not a crash | 12:56 |
| khertan | look like that x didn't repond anymore to mouse | 12:56 |
| khertan | respond | 12:56 |
| khertan | or input event | 12:56 |
| kallela_ | tj____: are you having 32 or 64-bit ubuntu? I failed to get emulator working on ubuntu 12.04 32-bit inside VirtualBox, hosted by win7 64-bit | 13:00 |
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| khertan | lbt, don't see any error related in xorg logs nor dmesg | 13:02 |
| lbt | journalctl too | 13:02 |
| khertan | didn't see such log | 13:03 |
| tj____ | kallela_, all 64-bit | 13:03 |
| khertan | its a command :) | 13:03 |
| tj____ | tj____, windows, ubuntu, sailfishos sdk | 13:04 |
| tj____ | i mean kallela_ ;) | 13:04 |
| kallela_ | tj____: ok. maybe I'll try 64-bit ubuntu next | 13:05 |
| khertan | lbt, nothing exept XISlaveSwitch | 13:05 |
| khertan | :à | 13:05 |
| lbt | khertan: yep | 13:05 |
| khertan | lbt can launch other app from ssh | 13:06 |
| khertan | but none input answer (mouse or keyboard) | 13:07 |
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| lbt | khertan: kill mcompositor | 13:08 |
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| lbt | oh tj____ ... congrats :D | 13:13 |
| khertan | lbt, you got it | 13:13 |
| khertan | once restarted it s works :p | 13:14 |
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| khertan | hbbbbbbhbgtgggggnnnnnnnhhhh nnù*****<µ$ | 13:15 |
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| khertan | sorry first message of my daugter on irc | 13:16 |
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| khertan | (15 months old) | 13:16 |
| lbt | khertan: wow - tell her she sounds *just* like my kittens | 13:16 |
| Yaniel | she sure does start early | 13:16 |
| Dickson | is the source for the "Components" app available? I was looking for the progress indicator components | 13:17 |
| khertan | i let the netbook on the sofa | 13:17 |
| veskuh | Dickson, yes. Go to Welcome -> Examples -> Sailfiish Silica Component | 13:17 |
| Dickson | veskuh: thanks! | 13:22 |
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| eke | kuulen kyllä | 13:42 |
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| miksuh | Hmm.. looks like Sailfish has no QML LiatItem component. So is there some standard consistent way to add subitem indicator to the list delegate? | 14:08 |
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| miksuh | I mean somethibng kuje > qhich would tell the user that if he touches the list item then sub-view will open | 14:09 |
| lbt | miksuh: not that I know of : https://sailfishos.org/navigation-article.html | 14:10 |
| lbt | if you feel that's an issue then it may be worth raising on the devel mailing list | 14:10 |
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| sledges | why I can't find the "Design" for QML tab in Sailfish SDK QtCreator ? | 17:29 |
| Yaniel | urgh, last time I saw that it was a terrible mess | 17:30 |
| sledges | &) that one looks fine in Mer Platform SDK's QtCreator | 17:30 |
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| Yaniel | good news :) | 17:36 |
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| lbt | sledges: ooh - interesting - I didn't notice we'd actually disabled the design tab | 17:45 |
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| lbt | we've been discussing whether to spend time on it - my 'market research' (ie asking real Qt/QML app developers) says it's just eye candy at the moment and not useful during real app development | 17:47 |
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| sledges | lbt, yup, taking my words back: vanilla QtCreator - Design tab works. Mer Platform SDK: Design tab disabled. Sailfish SDK: Design tab gone :) | 17:47 |
| lbt | One think I'd like to see is better integration with a simple QMLviewer | 17:47 |
| Yaniel | it might attract beginners to have a graphical tool | 17:47 |
| lbt | Yaniel: yes - that's the argument | 17:47 |
| * sledges was about to write "I am QML beginner" | 17:47 | |
| lbt | the problem is that it is actually hard to use | 17:48 |
| sledges | using vanilla QtCreator atm ;P | 17:48 |
| Yaniel | sledges but a programmin beginner? | 17:48 |
| lbt | and we have to choose where/how to focus | 17:48 |
| Yaniel | or, say, for example html | 17:48 |
| sledges | Yaniel, no, I'm not beginner in UI design; but would like to know QML inside out in shortest time possible :) | 17:49 |
| sledges | currently have a challenging task to dissect lipstick's shutdown screen, so wanted some WYSIWYG | 17:50 |
| sledges | anyway, how to get rid of import com.nokia.meego 1.0 | 17:51 |
| sledges | ^...'QML module not found' error ? | 17:51 |
| sledges | qt-components are also loaded, ./configure`d, but having trouble making/building them | 17:52 |
| sledges | whereas to get rid of import org.nemomobile.lipstick 0.1 | 17:55 |
| sledges | QML module not found was sufficient just to have lipstick.pro loaded into the same project set | 17:55 |
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| thp | so, where do i file a bug / wishlist item in sailfish silica? | 18:00 |
| fk_lx | thp: sailfish mailing list | 18:00 |
| fk_lx | https://lists.sailfishos.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devel | 18:00 |
| fk_lx | that is recommended solution for now as far as I know | 18:00 |
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| bobweaver | Wow that is one of the things that I have to say about all your sdk kit just wow | 18:58 |
| bobweaver | any future for qt2.0 ? | 18:58 |
| bobweaver | sorry qml 2.0 qt5 | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but shipping beat shiny new technology when we chose direction to go for sailfish 1 | 18:59 |
| Stskeeps | we still perform extremely well | 18:59 |
| bobweaver | sorry I am brancd new to sailfish as of this morning I can not belive that it comes with virtual machines help sections for all elements just amazing | 19:01 |
| lbt | bobweaver: glad you like it :) | 19:01 |
| bobweaver | I am a qt qml developer and would not mind adding some apps but would like to talk about the future and what sail fish is how it was started | 19:01 |
| lbt | thp: yes, mailing list for bugs - we didn't think a bugzilla was right just yet | 19:01 |
| lbt | bobweaver: sure | 19:02 |
| Stskeeps | bobweaver: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolla is a good story | 19:02 |
| bobweaver | I just do not want to do the same thing that I did with a different OS | 19:02 |
| lbt | bobweaver: MeeGo ? | 19:02 |
| bobweaver | Yeah I know some of the meego stuff | 19:02 |
| bobweaver | I just started qml and qt like 1 or 2 years ago | 19:02 |
| bobweaver | oh so it is fork | 19:02 |
| lbt | mmm | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | i like to think of it as a continuation with modification | 19:03 |
| Stskeeps | s | 19:03 |
| lbt | more of a natural progression | 19:03 |
| * bobweaver is reading wiki | 19:03 | |
| lbt | bobweaver: checkout the merproject side too (though we would say that :) ) | 19:03 |
| bobweaver | I sure am kinda happy that it is qt4.8 so many libs that can be used like BOx2d tiles libdconf-qt ect things that are not going to be ported to 5.0 | 19:04 |
| bobweaver | question: Are there backers($) for the sailfish. | 19:06 |
| bobweaver | If I did a bunch of work would I get noticed and is there jobs ? | 19:06 |
| Stskeeps | yes, but practically we only hire qml gods for ui | 19:07 |
| Stskeeps | and yes, it's a company with investments | 19:07 |
| * bobweaver thinks he is qml god | 19:07 | |
| Stskeeps | yeah, wait until you meet our guys then :) | 19:08 |
| bobweaver | I am sure that they are better then me but I am talented maybe you have seen some of my work ? | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | nop, but feel free to enlighten | 19:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | QML is a polytheist religion right ? | 19:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | because there are quite a lot of QML gods :D | 19:11 |
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| bobweaver | https://plus.google.com/u/0/b/104659991254860976283/+UbuntuTV/posts << that is /me | 19:12 |
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| Stskeeps | :nod: | 19:12 |
| bobweaver | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9X4dJOMt4k << that is me | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | hope you'll have fun with our SDK :) we certainly had fun making it | 19:13 |
| bobweaver | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-PSb4szE7pw << that is me 6 days | 19:13 |
| bobweaver | yeah it is fun so far | 19:13 |
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| bobweaver | I use to like to dev for Ubuntu because they would take care of me (fly me to UDS then talk with other devs about future) all that got pulled UDS so things are changing and I am not happy about it so I quit the team | 19:15 |
| bobweaver | UDS = ubuntu developers summit | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | i remember my first maemo meetup and my first presentation, was a big thing to go | 19:17 |
| bobweaver | plus things like make ubuntu tv in qml / qt then 6 months later nope we want in unity 3d then 6 months later changing story ect | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | met many amazing people i still know today | 19:17 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. i think most of us in jolla knows the game of changing strategies :) | 19:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | bobweaver: does that mean that 6 month later, ubuntu for phone and tablets will run unity 3D :S ? | 19:19 |
| valdur55 | Oh. I really want do some hacking now.... But i must work with my liteature course. I need to write 4 essays :( | 19:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: ... | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | since many of us got laid off at the windows phone change | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:19 |
| lbt | bobweaver: you should check out #nemomobile too | 19:19 |
| * lbt afk for a bit | 19:19 | |
| bobweaver | yeah body language is so important. People learn a lot about one maybe like 70% or more about people by there body language. and nothing beets a sit down hacking session | 19:19 |
| bobweaver | beats * | 19:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | btw lbt, thanks for that french comment :) didn't know that you know french actually | 19:20 |
| jani | evening | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | i usually say that a drink once in a while with people you spend a lot of time with on irc and sometimes gets frustrated with people, goes a long way to relieve tensions | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:20 |
| bobweaver | lol | 19:21 |
| * dm8tbr agrees | 19:24 | |
| yunta | Stskeeps: don't tell that to lbt, he may want to relive his tension on me next week ... | 19:24 |
| dm8tbr | f2f 'resync' every once in a while is a necessity | 19:24 |
| yunta | (fist2face) | 19:24 |
| dm8tbr | sounds like someone has been naughty ;) | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | yunta: paintball game may be a good idea, yeah | 19:25 |
| yunta | true (where is amartinez when we need him.....) | 19:26 |
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| fk_lx | it would be great :-) | 19:32 |
| bobweaver | Question what is you alls feeling on adding libs to the Sdk ? Like if I wanted to add some qt.labs stuff other declarative stuff. will it break the virtual machine ? | 19:41 |
| bobweaver | maybe I should just take qt5.0.1 and try to add Sail fish stuff to that installer. Or are there things like that happening already ? thanks | 19:41 |
| bobweaver | I was going to port some of my apps to sailfish but I would need to compile other libs.(partials shaders gesture folderlistmodel Localstorage ) | 19:43 |
| dm8tbr | I think there is Qt5 for mer/nemo, so it shouldn't be too hard | 19:43 |
| dm8tbr | as the sdk is built on top of that | 19:43 |
| bobweaver | source is on git ? | 19:44 |
| bobweaver | NM I found it | 19:45 |
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| Stskeeps | bobweaver: feel free to screw around the emulator as you want or targets, but make a backup to revert easier :) | 19:53 |
| bobweaver | Stskeeps, Do you know where one would go to request things be added to the sdk ? | 19:53 |
| Stskeeps | bobweaver: i think the sdk will probably always match with what apis we'll support | 19:54 |
| bobweaver | mainly qt.labs | 19:54 |
| bobweaver | I mean I could make Snow happen alot more fancy with qt.labs.partials then taking a image and moving it around with JS | 19:55 |
| RzR | hi lbt | 19:55 |
| bobweaver | like for weather app | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | bobweaver: qt.labs.partials? URL? | 19:55 |
| RzR | just copied the plugin off http://jolla.cachefly.net/SailfishOSSDK/alpha/installers/SailfishOSSDK-linux-32-offline.run to target | 19:55 |
| RzR | it works | 19:55 |
| RzR | i feel this should part on the target image | 19:56 |
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| yunta | are those plugins like... normal libs? | 19:58 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: i think he means particles :) | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | particles i think we should have | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | i might be wrong | 19:59 |
| Stskeeps | in qt5 for sure | 19:59 |
| w00t | Stskeeps: not unless something pulls it into the image | 19:59 |
| bobweaver | Stskeeps, http://harmattan-dev.nokia.com/docs/library/html/qt4/qml-particles.html | 20:01 |
| bobweaver | Stskeeps, comes by default in qt5 but is different area and alot more fancy | 20:01 |
| bobweaver | alot more work was done to it | 20:02 |
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| bobweaver | like shaders also | 20:02 |
| bobweaver | Stskeeps, there is sailfish qt 5 ? can I download ? | 20:04 |
| Stskeeps | bobweaver: zypper search qt5 | 20:04 |
| bobweaver | thanks | 20:05 |
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| Stskeeps | just be aware that it's a bit untested land on the emulator | 20:06 |
| Stskeeps | it should work but there's no qml components for it | 20:06 |
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| bobweaver | yeah this emulator in qtcreator is still blowing my mind. You all did such a good job on that | 20:09 |
| bobweaver | no setting up qemu it is awesome | 20:09 |
| Stskeeps | hard to believe it's all sw rendering isn't it? | 20:10 |
| bobweaver | lol | 20:10 |
| Stskeeps | no fancy virtualbox acceleration in use | 20:10 |
| bobweaver | also the help options for you all made are awesome also | 20:11 |
| bobweaver | the packing for rpm is also nice though I am a deb guy :( where is my control file ! lol just playing around | 20:12 |
| Yaniel | I like the fact that there is a UI style guide | 20:12 |
| Stskeeps | i started with deb, i've grown fond of rpm | 20:12 |
| Yaniel | although that could be a bit more detailed | 20:12 |
| Yaniel | and I don't really care about deb or rpm | 20:13 |
| w00t | Yaniel: early days.. make sure to send a mail to the list about what you'd like to see :) | 20:14 |
| Yaniel | yeah | 20:14 |
| bobweaver | yeah that is the classic "holy war" I just think that it is cool how there is great that there is set up for it at start of project | 20:15 |
| Yaniel | the Apple HIG was the first thing that came to my mind when I checked out the sailfish page | 20:15 |
| Yaniel | that kind of document is surprisingly important | 20:17 |
| spider-mario | indeed | 20:17 |
| spider-mario | without them, you end up with android 2- | 20:17 |
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| Yaniel | yeah | 20:19 |
| spider-mario | okay, I’m a bit of a backbiter. :p | 20:19 |
| Yaniel | well, most people probably won't bother reading it | 20:19 |
| Yaniel | but having it around certainly helps keep apps behave consistently | 20:20 |
| spider-mario | well, Sailfish’s UI principles are sufficiently interesting to make it desirable to follow them | 20:20 |
| spider-mario | I think the pullable menu is a great idea, for example | 20:21 |
| Yaniel | and that is much easier with a document describing it in detail | 20:21 |
| spider-mario | last night, I even dreamt that I showed it to someone else :D | 20:21 |
| spider-mario | (it was a minor part of the dream, but still.) | 20:21 |
| Yaniel | :D | 20:21 |
| Yaniel | on an unrelated note: I wonder how many sailfish devs there will be by the time there is an actual device for them | 20:22 |
| spider-mario | I wonder if that number will increase or decrease if it takes long | 20:23 |
| spider-mario | and I hope it won’t | 20:23 |
| spider-mario | (I’ll still wait as long as necessary, though) | 20:24 |
| spider-mario | (I’m not impatient, just excited. :D) | 20:24 |
| * w00t is happy with the SDK reception so far at least :) | 20:25 | |
| fk_lx | :-) | 20:26 |
| * w00t resumes the evening's hacking | 20:32 | |
| bobweaver | Oh my .... TextEdit brings up key board how cool is that ! | 20:34 |
| RzR | yes it is | 20:34 |
| spider-mario | I *love* what I am seeing in the emulator | 20:36 |
| spider-mario | I am really looking forward to being able to buy an actual device running that. :D | 20:36 |
| fk_lx | spider-mario: I guess we will have to wait for that still some months | 20:36 |
| spider-mario | I can wait :) | 20:37 |
| spider-mario | especially knowing how awesome it will be when it’s done | 20:37 |
| RzR | does your app use toolbars ? | 20:37 |
| RzR | a guide to port harmattan / symbian / cascades to Silica would be welcome | 20:39 |
| RzR | but for a developer point of view I prefer cascades to others | 20:39 |
| RzR | from .. | 20:39 |
| spider-mario | the time picker looks futuristic. :D | 20:40 |
| RzR | someone should make a video of all components | 20:41 |
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| bobweaver | RzR, +1 | 20:46 |
| bobweaver | make some sed scripts maybe also for changing app for say qt2 to qt1 and also things like listview gridviews ect | 20:47 |
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| * lbt wanders back in | 20:56 | |
| lbt | Sfiet_Konstantin: hey ... good timing too. Yes, I love France :) | 20:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 20:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | nice | 20:57 |
| Yaniel | quite impressive the video about the ubuntu phone calculator ported to sailfish | 20:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yeah | 20:57 |
| lbt | Was over in Aix-les-Bains last year doing some work and managed to find some lovely french Tango dancers ;) | 20:58 |
| lbt | it is - we need somewhere to share stuff though | 20:58 |
| lbt | There's no app store - it's simply too early - but the community could pull kind of repo together | 20:58 |
| RzR | dont stare at me :) | 20:58 |
| lbt | hehe | 20:58 |
| Yaniel | something like AUR? | 20:59 |
| RzR | did u read what i wrote above | 20:59 |
| lbt | Actually I wonder if we could do it around Nemo | 20:59 |
| lbt | RzR: no... just about to scroll back | 20:59 |
| RzR | uploading labs .so from 32bit sdk to target somehow work | 20:59 |
| * lbt lets yunta know that he has something special planned for him.... | 21:00 | |
| * special puts on a pretty dress | 21:01 | |
| Yaniel | oh my, that nick is actually in use? :D | 21:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lol | 21:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | of cause :D | 21:01 |
| lbt | and wouldn't you know we got him ... and he's awake for once! | 21:02 |
| RzR | who is lol ? =P | 21:02 |
| lbt | RzR: trying to follow your thread... not doing well | 21:02 |
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| lbt | are we talking copying Qt labs .so to the SDK target? That should indeed work | 21:03 |
| RzR | cd ~/SailfishOS/bin/Qt && tar cfv - labs | ssh root@localhost -p 2223 -i ~/.ssh/mer-qt-creator-rsa tar xfv - -C /usr/lib/qt4/imports/Qt/ | 21:04 |
| lbt | you may want to do a 'sync' to let QtCreator know about the QML files too | 21:04 |
| RzR | got it ? | 21:04 |
| lbt | manual install to emulator | 21:04 |
| lbt | right - you may want to install to the SDK target too when there are Component files that you want QtC to know about (eg for auto-completion) | 21:05 |
| bobweaver | Question How to make the keyboard go away after textedit area is hidden ? is there a function for that ? | 21:06 |
| lbt | that's a little more tricky | 21:06 |
| bobweaver | thanks ^^ | 21:06 |
| lbt | bobweaver: drag it down | 21:06 |
| special | bobweaver: programmatically? remove focus, by giving it to something else or doing textField.focus = false | 21:06 |
| lbt | I should say "pull" it down | 21:07 |
| RzR | swipe it down :) | 21:07 |
| lbt | :O | 21:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | RzR: swipe is so 2011 | 21:07 |
| lbt | you can't say that here! | 21:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | now it is pull and push | 21:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is push down | 21:07 |
| Yaniel | 2011? is it that old? | 21:07 |
| lbt | nah... pull | 21:07 |
| Yaniel | time sure flies | 21:07 |
| lbt | push is from 'outside' the screen Sfiet_Konstantin | 21:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | woops, pull | 21:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | pull it is | 21:08 |
| lbt | Sfiet_Konstantin: can you guess who proof read the design text? | 21:08 |
| bobweaver | Sweet ! http://imagebin.org/248373 | 21:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lbt: haha | 21:08 |
| RzR | hole in the screen ? | 21:08 |
| lbt | and removed the "swipes" and "drags" we had in there :) | 21:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | 2011 it is ... quite old | 21:08 |
| RzR | so we all are | 21:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | bobweaver: oooh, the wonderful animated weather demo | 21:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | love it | 21:09 |
| bobweaver | that is not the one that you are thinking of I just used there artwork | 21:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | bobweaver: :) | 21:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ok | 21:09 |
| bobweaver | it has sql databases and what not to store you citys and well where o push code ? | 21:10 |
| bobweaver | s|o|to | 21:10 |
| lbt | nb .. if it's in here: http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb/ you can get it (at the moment!) | 21:11 |
| lbt | we need to list the exact APIs at some point - and we'll definitely want community comments | 21:11 |
| lbt | hehe ... my wife made the cover on her app pink | 21:12 |
| lbt | I wondered why she's been quiet | 21:12 |
| lbt | also confirms ubuntu 11.04 works with SDK | 21:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lbt: the demo app pink ? :D | 21:13 |
| lbt | yeah | 21:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 21:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Blue is better :P | 21:14 |
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| Pali | hi, will be sailfish SDK vcs (git, svn, ..) repos public? | 21:26 |
| Pali | or always only one monolitic SDK installer? | 21:26 |
| Yaniel | good question | 21:28 |
| lbt | Pali: it's been developed in the open | 21:30 |
| Pali | lbt, what that means? | 21:30 |
| Pali | is SDK already in git? | 21:31 |
| lbt | sec | 21:31 |
| lbt | https://qt.gitorious.org/+mer-qt-creator/qt-creator/mer-qt-creator/commits/mer | 21:31 |
| lbt | it's updated most and the teams share code via a public git | 21:32 |
| Yaniel | that does not contain emulator & build wm, right? | 21:32 |
| lbt | so the emulator is SailfishOS ... and that's built on Mer and Nemo | 21:33 |
| lbt | the build engine is based on the Mer SDK | 21:33 |
| lbt | http://gitweb.merproject.org/gitweb/ contains Mer Core packages | 21:33 |
| lbt | https://github.com/mer-tools | 21:33 |
| lbt | has many of the SDK tools (Control Center and various other things) | 21:34 |
| lbt | Obviously we know that SailfishOS has some parts that aren't open yet and some that will never be open | 21:34 |
| lbt | (well, never say never) | 21:35 |
| lbt | So you can build something very close indeed to the SailfishOS SDK with open code | 21:35 |
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| lbt | the logos and name are not open - otherwise people could claim that their modified package was "SailfishOS SDK" | 21:36 |
| Pali | lbt, is there list of components which are closed? | 21:36 |
| lbt | not afaik | 21:36 |
| Pali | and do you know some parts which are closed? | 21:37 |
| Jonni | most likely he cannot comment on that yet even if he knew | 21:38 |
| lbt | he's right :) | 21:39 |
| Pali | ok | 21:39 |
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| laze76 | hm port (at least preview) of sailfish to n9 or nexus would be most welcome while waiting offical phone | 21:56 |
| yunta | we won't | 21:57 |
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| bobweaver | Hello there again. I am seeming to not be able to use Qt.formatDateTime has any one else had this issue ? | 22:47 |
| bobweaver | example Text {text: Qt.formatDateTime(timeFrom,"dddd d MMMM") } where timeFrom is comming from a model (xmlrole) | 22:50 |
| mvogt | bobweaver: I haven't seen this problem, but I always use the Silica.FOrmatter component for localized time strings | 22:53 |
| bobweaver | and Yup timeFrom 100% works if I am to do Text{text: timeFrom} It returns the iso8990 | 22:53 |
| bobweaver | That function mvogt will take iso8601 (or what ever the numbers are) and convert the time ? | 22:53 |
| bobweaver | let me take a scrennie | 22:54 |
| bobweaver | http://imagebin.org/248379 | 22:55 |
| bobweaver | I even tried to wrap timeFrom in a function and return it then call that still nadda :( JS time it looks like | 22:57 |
| mvogt | bobweaver: try formatDateTime() without a format value | 22:59 |
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| bobweaver | mvogt, no deals for the wicked | 23:01 |
| bobweaver | :/ | 23:01 |
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| vgrade | https://twitter.com/vgrade/status/306831031686803456/photo/1 , any tips to get lipstick from not chopping the bottom off and filling the screen? | 23:03 |
| vgrade | looks like its trying to maintain an aspect on this display | 23:04 |
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| mvogt | bobweaver: I just modified the silica componentgallery to use "return Qt.formatDateTime(dateTime)" in the timestamp() function in the FormatterPage | 23:06 |
| mvogt | bobweaver: this works for me , so maybe there's a locale issue? | 23:06 |
| w00t | vgrade: it's not lipstick's fault, the version of silica you have now is probably not looking at the display size | 23:06 |
| w00t | that was changed recently, but I doubt it's yet been released | 23:06 |
| bobweaver | mvogt, not sure I am making a video of it so you all know that I am not trolling http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2Yn2UEVEDM | 23:07 |
| mvogt | bobweaver: no need for video, I believe you :) | 23:08 |
| thp | lbt: i'll collect my nitpicks as a blog post in the next few days. and maybe also post to the mailing list.. | 23:08 |
| vgrade | w00t: cheers | 23:08 |
| w00t | thp: uh oh ;) | 23:09 |
| lbt | thp: ok - please post to the ml though - it'll be the place I go through to triage stuff :) | 23:09 |
| thp | lbt: will do :) | 23:11 |
| fk_lx | :-) | 23:11 |
| lbt | looks like mvogt sorted that out bobweaver | 23:11 |
| mvogt | lbt: what? still trying to reproduce... | 23:11 |
| bobweaver | mvogt, want code to try out ? | 23:12 |
| lbt | oh, I misunderstood your reply mvogt | 23:12 |
| bobweaver | it is gpl3+ | 23:12 |
| mvogt | bobweaver: actually, I just want to try using formatDatetime in the componentgallery app in the SDK | 23:12 |
| * lbt wonders if QML code snippets as patches to the template would be a good way to report bugs | 23:14 | |
| bobweaver | create a string as a var in a pragma lib call the var in Text ? string would be something like 2013-02-27T1:00:00 | 23:15 |
| bobweaver | for recreation that is ^^ | 23:16 |
| vgrade | w00t: did the display size go into qml at /usr/lib/qt4/imports/Sailfish/Silica/* | 23:16 |
| w00t | vgrade: no, it's C++-side | 23:17 |
| vgrade | w00t: ah ok, nothing I can do then | 23:17 |
| w00t | you can try to trick it in QML, but I don't know how much luck you'd have | 23:18 |
| vgrade | w00t: I'd need to learn QML first as well :) | 23:18 |
| w00t | c'mon, it's not that bad ;) | 23:19 |
| vgrade | w00t: don't have the first idea really | 23:19 |
| vgrade | w00t: I guess I/m looking for something in page.qml | 23:21 |
| mvogt | bobweaver: right, so I just got the componentgallery example running in ths SDK - Qt.formatDateTime() works in that context | 23:21 |
| * bobweaver pulls hair out *Oo* | 23:22 | |
| bobweaver | :) | 23:22 |
| mvogt | bobweaver: so it isn't a general problem - is it a QDateTime your model is returning? | 23:22 |
| bobweaver | nah it is comming from xml a qpi | 23:23 |
| bobweaver | api * | 23:23 |
| mvogt | maybe you need to convert to JS Date object before calling Qt.formatDateTime? | 23:23 |
| bobweaver | Ok I will try that | 23:24 |
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| w00t | vgrade: ApplicationWindow.qml is probably a good place to look | 23:26 |
| vgrade | w00t: just found that | 23:26 |
| vgrade | thanks | 23:27 |
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| bobweaver | still nothing mvogt I am going to write a function | 23:39 |
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| mvogt | bobweaver: what format is timestamp data in? | 23:47 |
| bobweaver | iso8601 | 23:48 |
| bobweaver | sorry me and enter happy . iso8601 --> string (then I have tried to make into date formate and also tried string) | 23:49 |
| mvogt | bobweaver: complicated, because JS doesn't really support it natively - you need your own parsing to convert it into a JS Date | 23:49 |
| bobweaver | yeah that is what I thought also but then I tried that and even tried old function that converts to string iso8601 to nice looking string. also tried in just qmlscence and that ran and did what I told it to in both qml 1 and 2 | 23:51 |
| bobweaver | Here is data model http://pastebin.com/fJVyE9ga Here is old javascript function http://pastebin.com/SUnqz00v Here is element http://pastebin.com/XmtDR7EB | 23:55 |
| mvogt | bobweaver: this is a relatively simple conversion function that works for me (TM): http://anentropic.wordpress.com/2009/06/25/javascript-iso8601-parser-and-pretty-dates/ | 23:55 |
| bobweaver | Yeah that is v.close to the function that I tried as backup I will try that | 23:57 |
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| mvogt | bobweaver: http://pastebin.com/K0GwK5qx - should be enough, once you have working parsing function | 23:58 |
| bobweaver | thanks mvogt :) | 23:59 |
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