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| situ | Morning | 02:58 |
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| Elleo | jake9xx: hi, I'm the chap who's been fiddling around with Ogre3D stuff, just saw your email :) | 10:58 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | hi everybody ! | 11:35 |
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| sledges | hi Sfiet_Konstantin ! :) | 11:38 |
| sledges | hi Elleo, nice work! | 11:38 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sledges: o/ | 11:39 |
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| sledges | I'm really confused. Jolla's Sailfish Alliance implies an open development platform. If we want to attract more developers, who is to do the advertising? Jolla or Sailfish community? | 11:44 |
| sledges | I bet Jolla has nice graphics/video designers ;) but they might be too busy at the moment. Pity our community here does not have graphics people who would like to step up at this crucially critical moment | 11:45 |
| sledges | and I hope Jolla is not thinking: "we have enough people at the moment" or "it's about quality, not about quantity" (<- the latter is backed by number of Jolla's employees -- small but strong) | 11:46 |
| sledges | s/we have enough people at the moment/we have sufficient amount of people in the community at the moment/ | 11:46 |
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| cybette | sledges: I'd say Jolla will have to do the advertising and outreach, at least initially | 11:52 |
| sledges | cybette, have you seen my tweeted humble suggestion? :) | 11:53 |
| cybette | sledges: checking it out now | 11:55 |
| sledges | thanks :} | 11:55 |
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| cybette | sledges: nice ideas. something similar have been discussed before (great minds think alike :)) I'll take it to the right persons to look at / work on it. | 12:01 |
| cybette | if community is willing to pitch in that'll be even better | 12:01 |
| sledges | well, I guess then the best pitching in could be done via mailing list | 12:01 |
| sledges | (if it has many members) | 12:01 |
| sledges | or retweeting with #sailfishos my tweet (forgot this hashtag sadly :)) | 12:01 |
| sledges | thanks cybette ;) | 12:02 |
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| sledges | also, another deal-breaker is hardware to be run, so I better go back and finalise pandaboard's nemo port ;) | 12:02 |
| sledges | (as in, people can try out a 85%-full-blown mobile experience with Sailfish's sibling Nemo only if they got N9(x0) | 12:03 |
| sledges | for the time being | 12:03 |
| cybette | sledges: thanks for bringing it up. we'll call for pitching/participation once we kickstart it :) | 12:04 |
| sledges | but they should still be able to sense the great potential in the force :)) and go ahead with emulator, even when they can't send texts(SMSs) out of it :D | 12:04 |
| sledges | great, cheers cybette, we'll make this happen \o/ | 12:05 |
| sledges | :) | 12:05 |
| sledges | regarding my sentence about the "force" - the advertising campain could bring this up, too | 12:05 |
| cybette | \o/ the force is strong with this one | 12:06 |
| sledges | :DD | 12:06 |
| sledges | last I've seen was: http://f.kulfoto.com/pic/0001/0032/a4s6931447.jpg | 12:07 |
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| Elleo | sledges: thanks :) | 14:26 |
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| Stskeeps | Elleo: btw, any further development on tizmee? | 14:26 |
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| Elleo | Stskeeps: not really, I did get some stuff vaguely working towards webgl support in it; but then sviox started taking a similar approach for tizen specific calls in his html5 widget platform so I figured it probably wasn't worth duplicating effort so much and haven't done much with it since | 14:28 |
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| Stskeeps | ok | 14:28 |
| Elleo | although his widget platform doesn't seem to be open source | 14:28 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, it's not | 14:28 |
| Elleo | so I might revive Tizmee for sailfish | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | i'd be curious to see it at least | 14:29 |
| Elleo | shouldn't take too long to get a version at least vaguely running on sailfish | 14:29 |
| Elleo | I'll have a hack around with it when I have some more time | 14:29 |
| Stskeeps | k | 14:30 |
| Elleo | is qtwebkit on sailfish built with webgl support by default? | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | that's a valid question and i'm not so sure | 14:30 |
| Elleo | because that'd make life much easier than on meego | 14:30 |
| Stskeeps | i'm happy to take patches though | 14:30 |
| Elleo | s/meego/harmattan/ | 14:30 |
| Elleo | okay, cool | 14:31 |
| Elleo | iirc it builds pretty easily with webgl support for meego, mostly just a matter of adding a few configure flags at compile time | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | contribute to mer, it gets into sailfish | 14:31 |
| Elleo | but it was going to be a bit of a pain having to ship my own version of qtwebkit bundled up with tizmee | 14:31 |
| Elleo | okay, well after next wednesday I should have a bit of free time, so I'll see what the state of things are and if I can knock together a quick patch to the .spec to make it build with webgl (if it doesn't already) | 14:32 |
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| vgrade_ | how are others approaching porting from harmattan/nemo apps? Starting with meego components and then replacing piecemeal or replacing in one go? | 14:58 |
| veskuh | For smaller projects just one go by replacing import and then fixing issues. | 15:00 |
| veskuh | For bigger ones I tend to do couple of main views first and then dive in more. | 15:01 |
| ajalkane | I like the approach thp outlined http://thpmaemo.blogspot.fi/2013/03/porting-harmattan-apps-to-sailfish.html | 15:02 |
| vgrade_ | ajalkane: yes, having an abstraction layer is good but I'm a little disappointed there is so much difference between the component sets, and thats not counting ubuntu, plasma, bb10 ones | 15:06 |
| ajalkane | vgrade_: well me too. An annoyance for the app dev. | 15:07 |
| vgrade_ | but I suppose each platform has to differenciate in some way | 15:07 |
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| sardini | hello | 15:15 |
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| Stskeeps | so, anybody here ever played with remote desktop (RDP)? | 15:19 |
| * aard <- | 15:26 | |
| aard | my home server offers X sessions via rdp | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | right, somebody who's not a jolla employee.. | 15:26 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:26 |
| aard | that's discrimination! | 15:27 |
| crevetor | Stskeeps: as in program an application that uses RDP ? | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | crevetor: yeah - as you know, our emulator is actually a virtualbox machine. the virtualbox UI uses RDP to communicate with the virtual machine itself. but virtualbox UI kinda sucks for let's say, emulator rotation | 15:27 |
| Stskeeps | crevetor: or UIs for sensors and so on | 15:28 |
| Stskeeps | so an idea could be to start up the virtualbox in headless mode and an app that connects to it with all nice UI bits for that | 15:28 |
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| Stskeeps | using for example freerdp | 15:28 |
| aard | Stskeeps: back when kvm sucked and I was still forced to touch virtualbox I had a setup like this :p | 15:29 |
| crevetor | I see | 15:29 |
| crevetor | I was doing that some time ago, my VMs were running headless and I would use and RDP client to connect to them | 15:29 |
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| ahiemstra | Stskeeps: i've used krdc for connecting to rdp servers | 16:07 |
| ahiemstra | Stskeeps: what would you use to actually send a rotate command though? ssh -c "rotate"? :p | 16:09 |
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| Stskeeps | ahiemstra: not impossible ;) | 16:14 |
| Stskeeps | but framebuffer rotation could happen client side | 16:14 |
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| ajalkane | w00t: folderlist pull request... do I understand correcly your comment, that you'd prefer the "reverse mapping" to be built in function "buildRoleNames" ? | 16:28 |
| w00t | ajalkane: => #nemomobile, but yes | 16:28 |
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| hexo | stupid question, how much javascript is involved in actual running UI, please? | 20:53 |
| Yaniel | for the UI itself probably close to none | 20:53 |
| Yaniel | that is QML | 20:54 |
| hexo | so the QML is used just for defining UI elements and styling? | 20:54 |
| Yaniel | mostly yes | 20:54 |
| hexo | that's great | 20:54 |
| Yaniel | think of QML like a more sophisticated HTML | 20:54 |
| lbt | js is used for some things | 20:55 |
| ajalkane | JavaScript/C++ for control. QML for presentation. | 20:55 |
| lbt | it's mainly obvious in event handling | 20:55 |
| hexo | well, that makes sense partly :) | 20:55 |
| Stskeeps | rest is pretty hardcore C++ engines | 20:56 |
| lbt | QML is probably best thought of as a way to describe layout | 20:56 |
| Stskeeps | and backends to QML | 20:56 |
| lbt | and javascript is used in the UI layer to allow the UI itself to be controlled | 20:57 |
| hexo | i've used related things in gtk | 20:57 |
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| hexo | I had enough of android so I started thinking of proper design, and then I've found this project :) | 20:58 |
| hexo | which (mostly) shares my view of how things should be done | 20:58 |
| lbt | When you do ::: width: parent.width / 2 that parent.width / 2 is js | 20:59 |
| lbt | (but don't worry, it's often optimised away) | 20:59 |
| hexo | :) | 20:59 |
| Yaniel | I love that part | 21:02 |
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| Yaniel | being able to have js statements in QML to set properties | 21:02 |
| lbt | and when people tell you how cool and new this binding stuff is ... just ask them innocently about tk/tcl ... | 21:03 |
| hexo | am I able to create application without using it at all? (QML/QtQuick/JS) | 21:06 |
| lbt | so that's a deeper question | 21:07 |
| lbt | the answer is yes | 21:07 |
| lbt | but then we look at things like APIs on devices and ... | 21:07 |
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| lbt | The majority of sailfish apps will be Qt/QML and will use C++ for the business logic/middleware | 21:08 |
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| Yaniel | i.e. the "real work" | 21:09 |
| lbt | yes, but a lot of that is already available in the underlying frameworks | 21:09 |
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| hexo | nice | 21:34 |
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| M4rtinK | or Python (as PySide is available :) | 21:54 |
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