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dos | sailfishos has suport for html5? | 00:12 |
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GentSir | dos, https://sailfishos.org/wiki/QA | 00:14 |
dos | GentSir , thanks I did not see when read the page of wiki :( | 00:19 |
GentSir | No worries mate | 00:22 |
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bleb | Do we know if Sailfish will allow root access? Will it have a terminal? | 04:56 |
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dm8tbr | given the track record of these guys I'd be _very_ surprised if we wouldn't get that | 04:57 |
bleb | That's great to hear, where can I read up on the "guys" you're talking about? | 04:58 |
GentSir | https://sailfishos.org/community.html | 04:59 |
bleb | Thanks. Anyone know about the boot loader for the Jolla? Can I install something else if I want? | 05:01 |
dm8tbr | surprise, I know all of them personally :-o | 05:01 |
dm8tbr | No hardware details have surfaced yet, so I guess we'll have to wait to see that. | 05:02 |
GentSir | dm8tbr, I'll make the trip to a conference Jolla is at to meet them all eventually | 05:02 |
dm8tbr | But again I expect that for developers the device will be wide open to foster platform improvement | 05:02 |
dm8tbr | GentSir: 14/15, here in tampere :) | 05:03 |
bleb | Alright. Thanks for the info, looks very promising! | 05:04 |
GentSir | dm8tbr, sadly, I just exhausted my spare money on an emergency trip to my native land of Michigan | 05:04 |
GentSir | I also do not speak a shred of Finnish | 05:04 |
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dm8tbr | GentSir: no need to, everybody speaks very good english around here. | 05:05 |
GentSir | dm8tbr, is Finland mostly bilingual in English? | 05:06 |
GentSir | I've really been wanting to move to a Scandinavian/Nordic country after college | 05:06 |
dm8tbr | not as in native speaking, but mots people have good command of the english language | 05:08 |
dm8tbr | tv series are mostly subtitled, not dubbed (like in e.g. germany) | 05:08 |
GentSir | I would obviously make a serious attempt to learn the native language of a country I moved to and planned a permanent stay in | 05:08 |
GentSir | I've heard it's much more civilized there, and better job opportunities | 05:09 |
dm8tbr | it's hard. I've been here for a couple of years now and due to everyone speaking so good english I haven't made much progress on my finncrypt | 05:09 |
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bleb | This is funny, turns out I'm going to Finland from USA in 10 days, completely unrelated to Sailfish. | 05:09 |
dm8tbr | bleb: well if you don't have plans for saturday 15th, now you have | 05:10 |
bleb | I arrive the 18th :( is there a Sailfish conference or something that day? | 05:10 |
GentSir | bleb, may I ask where you live in the US? | 05:11 |
bleb | Mass | 05:11 |
GentSir | I'm in florida | 05:11 |
GentSir | Born and raised in Michigan though | 05:11 |
dm8tbr | http://summit.devaamo.fi | 05:12 |
bleb | Ah nice. I have an uncle and some cousins that grew up in Flint | 05:12 |
dm8tbr | We'll have a Keynote from Jolla | 05:12 |
GentSir | I grew up very close to there, Davison | 05:12 |
bleb | Sweet! | 05:12 |
GentSir | I know there were a lot of finnish communists that moved to the UP in the 20-30's | 05:12 |
bleb | UP? | 05:13 |
GentSir | Upper Peninsula | 05:13 |
GentSir | The northern part of michigan | 05:13 |
bleb | ah | 05:14 |
GentSir | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yooper_dialect | 05:15 |
GentSir | I was told there was a mass exodus of finnish communists there by someone in this channel | 05:16 |
bleb | dm8tbr: thanks for the link! wish I could be there. I guess it shouldn't come as a surprise to me that Finland has such a strong free/open software culture. Awesome! | 05:16 |
dm8tbr | :) | 05:18 |
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bleb | nice talking guys, I'm off to bed! | 05:30 |
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thraex | I'd say most finns are tri-lingual: two official languages in school which you must study and most take 3rd/4th as optional | 09:34 |
GentSir | thraex, what are the usual second and third languages? | 09:35 |
thraex | 3rd being most often the world's most spoken language: bad english ;) | 09:35 |
thraex | Finland has finnish and swedish as official languages, then almost all take english | 09:35 |
thraex | THen some take french, german, spanish, russian or such | 09:35 |
thraex | I myself took german as 3rd | 09:36 |
phako | finnglish | 09:36 |
thraex | But of course for most people the languages are in "school condition" meaning don't expect to get long answers | 09:36 |
Nicd- | I wouldn't call most finns trilingual as a lot of people don't really know anything about swedish | 09:36 |
Nicd- | they just know enough to pass the test and the forget after that | 09:36 |
thraex | Okay I admit, let me put it "trilingual in theory" | 09:36 |
thraex | Well, more than zero anyway | 09:37 |
Nicd- | also 3rd language (english) was not optional at my school | 09:37 |
Nicd- | 4th was | 09:37 |
thraex | You may be right, so long since I was in school, back in last millenium :) | 09:37 |
Nicd- | I studied french as 4th language, complete waste of time :P | 09:38 |
thraex | Well I can't have a discussion in german anymore but sometimes it's handy to pick up a word or two when abroad, compared to possibly not studying the language. | 09:39 |
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GentSir | Nicd-, so I should use needlessly complex English with Finns for giggles? | 09:45 |
Nicd- | if you want to look like a snob, sure ;) | 09:45 |
GentSir | I would never do that :) | 09:45 |
thraex | Just pop the old "how are you" and you'll get a finn explaining details how his morning was :) | 09:46 |
thraex | Most mistake it as a literal question. | 09:46 |
GentSir | Here in the states the standard response is to say "fine, how about you? then they reply with "fine" | 09:47 |
Nicd- | I think that's just needless overhead | 09:47 |
GentSir | It is kinda silly when you think about it | 09:47 |
Nicd- | don't ask me how I'm doing if you don't want to hear it :P | 09:47 |
thraex | Yeah, no damn small talk! | 09:48 |
GentSir | As long as you don't tell me every detail of your morning :) | 09:48 |
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Nicd- | it's hard for me to actually remember to ask people how they are doing | 09:53 |
Nicd- | I can invite my friend over for a movie and sauna, later my wife will ask me "oh how is he doing?" and I'm "err, I don't know, didn't ask" | 09:54 |
cybette | when i first moved to the states (from asia) i had trouble dealing with "how are you" qns. then i moved to finland and had to un-learn the whole "how are you" "fine, you" "fine" sequence | 09:54 |
Nicd- | oh dammit | 09:55 |
cybette | although nowadays when i travel to US, it comes back quite naturally | 09:55 |
Nicd- | Maemo CSSU has bricked my N900 | 09:55 |
Nicd- | it seems | 09:55 |
GentSir | I'll probably be seen as very rude when I go to Finland or the such and reply with "fine" to that question on reflex | 09:56 |
Nicd- | nah, people do that here too | 09:56 |
Nicd- | if they don't feel like telling too much | 09:56 |
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GentSir | I hope to eventually move to that area of the world | 09:57 |
GentSir | I know taxes are high, but the quality of life seems great | 09:58 |
cybette | here it's more like ::grunt:: | 09:58 |
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cybette | (if they don't feel like talking) | 09:58 |
GentSir | Where is "here"? | 09:58 |
cybette | sorry, finland | 09:58 |
GentSir | Oh. I thought Finns were polite, gentle folk | 09:58 |
Nicd- | that all depends | 09:58 |
thraex | Basically they are, but words are used sparingly. | 09:58 |
cybette | yeap | 09:59 |
Nicd- | we're not homogenous | 09:59 |
thraex | An old joke is, if you walk on a street and someone is smiling to you, he's either drunk or crazy. That's not a rule but an amusing stereotypicalization of the social behaviour. | 10:00 |
cybette | or he's a foreigner | 10:00 |
t7 | or thinks you're hot ? | 10:01 |
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cybette | if he thinks you're hot, he'll get drunk first and then smile at you | 10:02 |
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GentSir | Of course not, I doubt there's a population in the world that's perfectly homogeneous | 10:02 |
Nicd- | oh, my N900 is dead and Jolla phone is still miles away | 10:03 |
GentSir | Every time I left the US there were tons of foreigners everywhere... | 10:03 |
Nicd- | :D | 10:03 |
thraex | I forget the % of people with foreign origin in finland, but the number was significantly lower than e.g. sweden. Most finns don't realize how homogenous we are. And majority of foreigners in finland are located at capital area. | 10:03 |
Nicd- | yeah, I meant smaller differences like outgoingness | 10:04 |
Nicd- | we are slowly getting more extrovert | 10:04 |
GentSir | Is it really that hard for a foreigner to move to Finland, or is it just that nobody wants to? | 10:05 |
Nicd- | I've heard it may be hard to get a job | 10:06 |
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GentSir | Why is that? | 10:06 |
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thraex | If you're a specialist like a biochemist or it-guy then it might be more easy, but foreign education is not always credited accordingly. E.g. there are african bus drivers who used to be engineers in their country. | 10:07 |
GentSir | I'm young(20) and don't have a professional career, any halfway decent non-labor employment is fine with me | 10:09 |
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GentSir | apologies for rambling, very late night | 10:11 |
Nicd- | no need to apologize | 10:12 |
Nicd- | not much else going on here anyway | 10:12 |
thraex | Friday afternoon here, getting ready to leave early from work so possibly similar mental state | 10:12 |
GentSir | It's 6 am for me | 10:12 |
GentSir | I've been up 30+ hours now | 10:12 |
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cybette | the job thing is true. while people generally speak and understand english well here in Finland, to get a job without knowing Finnish is difficult. | 10:33 |
cybette | and finnish being difficult to learn doesn't help things... :P | 10:33 |
GentSir | I'll find a rich heiress that wants a cool foreign husband | 10:34 |
GentSir | Bingo, problem solved | 10:35 |
Nicd- | mervi tapola is still available | 10:36 |
GentSir | You know what, I really don't mind sleeping in a gutter and eating ramen noodles... | 10:37 |
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cybette | GentSir: you might change your mind in Finnish winter :P | 13:28 |
Hartzi | what's wrong with finnish winter? ;/ | 13:29 |
* dm8tbr likes finnish winter :) | 13:29 | |
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cybette | 13:37 < GentSir> You know what, I really don't mind sleeping in a gutter and eating ramen noodles... | 13:38 |
tj_____ | i guess a guy raised in michigan shouldn't find the finnish winter that peculiar | 13:38 |
cybette | maybe you don't mind it, but you'll get frozen in the gutter | 13:39 |
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Hartzi | why sleep in a gutter when you can dig a hole into snow and sleep there? A leeping bag required ofc. | 13:41 |
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ericcc | http://jolla.com/ the homepage is change lol | 14:48 |
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Sfiet_Konstantin | you are late ericcc | 14:49 |
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ericcc | yep it looks nice | 14:51 |
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GentSir | cybette, better than the alternative | 19:07 |
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cybette | :) | 19:18 |
GentSir | When will the Jolla be available to purchase in China, any hard news on that yet? | 19:19 |
GentSir | Because I'm either going to have a friend of mine in Germany source it, or family in Bejing | 19:19 |
Morpog_PC | Release was aimed for chinese new year, afair | 19:20 |
cybette | yeap that's the plan | 19:21 |
GentSir | New year in China is like ten Christmases combined here in the states, you guys are really looking to rake in the holiday sales | 19:21 |
* cybette hears chinese new year songs in her head now | 19:22 | |
Morpog_PC | cybette, is that comparable to christmas songs? | 19:23 |
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GentSir | That works out well then :) My uncle invited me to stay with them in Bejing a few weeks around new year. As awful as it sounds, I've really been wanting to go check out counterfeit electronics markets. | 19:24 |
cybette | I prefer christmas songs because I know more of them (so it's not the same one that gets stuck in my head) and my name relates to them :D | 19:24 |
cybette | GentSir: I hope you get a genuine jolla not a counterfeit one :P | 19:25 |
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GentSir | cybette, Oh no, I'll be getting the real thing! | 19:25 |
GentSir | I just want to see what wacky stuff the counterfeit vendors have | 19:26 |
cybette | :) | 19:26 |
GentSir | One thing I've really been curious about | 19:26 |
Morpog_PC | Would love to see some chinese vendors jump on the sailfishos wagon. Like Meizu, Xiaomi or Oppo. | 19:27 |
GentSir | I know you guys can't go into any detail, but are there Other Half prototypes or the such at Jolla that aren't just cases that change the aesthetics of the device? | 19:27 |
GentSir | Morpog_PC, that might be a double edge sword. There'd be more devices floating around, but nothing of the quality Jolla would design or make | 19:28 |
Morpog_PC | Oppo Find5 looks kinda good if you ask me. | 19:28 |
GentSir | I know most of Jolla is ex-nokia guys that made some insanely cool stuff back in the day and are clamoring to do it again | 19:28 |
cybette | everything in due time, other halves make exiting times in jolla ;) | 19:29 |
cybette | i think some of the chinese companies make quite decent quality stuff | 19:29 |
GentSir | That's enough of an answer, thank you | 19:29 |
cybette | it would be cool to work with some of those companies | 19:30 |
GentSir | The Find5 looks like a pretty generic Android phone to me | 19:30 |
GentSir | Nothing special about it, but not a piece of junk either | 19:30 |
cybette | although our current and first priority is to get Jolla product out | 19:30 |
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Morpog_PC | Well GeneralAntilles, best times of Symbian where when it was multi vendor (Samsung, Nokia, Sony, etc.) | 19:31 |
GentSir | Morpog_PC, I'm using a Symbian phone right now actually... | 19:31 |
cybette | after that we can extend the other half concept to include those vendors | 19:31 |
cybette | GentSir: which one? | 19:31 |
GentSir | cybette, Nokia E71 | 19:31 |
cybette | oooh my fav for a long time | 19:31 |
GentSir | I know it's ancient, but it does what I need and has great battery life | 19:31 |
Morpog_PC | My old N8 is resting in my dads hands ;) | 19:31 |
* Stskeeps ponders if cybette did any code for the e71 | 19:32 | |
cybette | Stskeeps: video engine | 19:32 |
cybette | Morpog_PC: N8 was the last phone i worked on | 19:32 |
GentSir | My best friend has had my N9 for over a year now, I doubt I'll ever get it back... | 19:32 |
* cybette has a soft spot for symbian | 19:32 | |
GentSir | I just love the keyboard on the E71 | 19:32 |
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cybette | me too | 19:32 |
GentSir | Such great tactile feedback | 19:32 |
cybette | i had different nokia phone every few months due to the work i did, but i used E71 for at least 2 years | 19:33 |
Morpog_PC | cybette, nice! it was a great phone, still does great photos and I loved the FM transmitter for in car use. | 19:34 |
GentSir | My only real gripe about the phone is the 2.5mm audio jack | 19:34 |
cybette | yeah I had gotten a few 3.5 -> 2.5 adapters for phones from that era | 19:36 |
GentSir | I have an actual male 2.5 to male 3.5 cable for hooking it to my car stereo | 19:37 |
cybette | once i left my e71 on a late night bus (when the phone was just announced, i.e. brand new on the market) - got it back next day from bus company. only in finland. | 19:37 |
GentSir | Yeah, in most of the US someone would have pocketed that | 19:38 |
GentSir | Weren't they like $400 or so new? | 19:38 |
cybette | probably 400€ | 19:38 |
GentSir | So closer to $460 | 19:38 |
cybette | but yeah i was so sure it was gone | 19:38 |
GentSir | That would've been awful | 19:39 |
GentSir | I got mine off a friend, as consolation for still using my N9 | 19:39 |
GentSir | Along with like 20 1500mAh BP-4L batteries | 19:39 |
GentSir | I get literally 4-5 days of battery life off a fresh battery | 19:40 |
GentSir | I love it | 19:40 |
cybette | I miss fondling that keyboard | 19:41 |
GentSir | I'm texting with mine right now. Wonderful keyboard | 19:41 |
cybette | damn you. | 19:42 |
* cybette finds solace in her N950 | 19:42 | |
GentSir | What I would do for a reboot of the e71 style | 19:42 |
GentSir | I am jealous of you though, I've always wanted an n950 | 19:43 |
cybette | one thing for sure, we all love a good gadget :) | 19:44 |
cybette | but now i should head home | 19:47 |
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DrIDK | hello! There are several mistake in the documation! How Can I help you to fix it ? | 21:45 |
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yunta | DrIDK: tell us about it I guess | 22:10 |
DrIDK | yunta, from mailing list ? | 22:11 |
yunta | yeah, whatever works for you :) | 22:14 |
DrIDK | yunta, no bug tracker avaible yet ? | 22:15 |
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DrIDK | and I can fix them myself | 22:15 |
yunta | sailfish specific? I don't think so | 22:15 |
DrIDK | so, last question... can I run sailfish on n950 . | 22:16 |
yunta | if it's mer or nemo docs - there is bugzilla | 22:16 |
DrIDK | it's sailfish specific | 22:16 |
yunta | then just mail it in | 22:16 |
yunta | afaik the only sailfish we released till now is x86 vm | 22:17 |
yunta | so it's rather incompatible with n950 :D | 22:18 |
DrIDK | yunta, ok, thanks ! I m gonna port my maemo apps to jolla :D | 22:19 |
yunta | cool :) | 22:19 |
yunta | what are they, if I may know? | 22:19 |
DrIDK | yunta, I made vlc remote and an ftp manager | 22:20 |
yunta | oh, vlc remote, that'll be useful | 22:20 |
yunta | for me :) | 22:21 |
DrIDK | yunta, I hope you will get success in the futur | 22:22 |
yunta | thx, we're doing our best | 22:23 |
yunta | I think we can make it really cool with the help of people like you | 22:23 |
DrIDK | yunta, you know, after looking your design, I think rich people who was using Nokia Vertu will love it ! | 22:24 |
DrIDK | So good luck ! I m supporting you at my best ! see ya + | 22:26 |
yunta | see ya o/ | 22:26 |
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