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| lbt | just some breaking news about SailfishOS and Qt : https://twitter.com/faenil/status/345800853178957824/photo/1 | 08:20 |
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| Nicd- | what is it? | 08:24 |
| Nicd- | can't open links | 08:25 |
| Stskeeps | you probably saw the qt5 stuffi n person | 08:25 |
| Nicd- | is it qt5 + wayland? | 08:26 |
| Stskeeps | right | 08:26 |
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| ericcc | which links?i am late | 08:33 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | ericcc: in short: in the future, Sailfish OS will use Qt5 and Wayland | 08:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | insterad of the good old Qt4 and X11 | 08:35 |
| ericcc | good new | 08:35 |
| ericcc | what time? | 08:37 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | ericcc: dunno | 08:44 |
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| tango_ | hello all | 08:53 |
| Stskeeps | hewwo | 08:53 |
| ericcc | hello | 08:53 |
| tango_ | I don't suppose the sdk could be made to use qemu & libvirt in place o vbox, could it? | 08:53 |
| tango_ | (it's just that I would rather not install another vm software just for this sdk) | 08:56 |
| Stskeeps | tango_: we use some parts in virtualbox like shared folders, video modes, etc | 08:57 |
| tango_ | oh i see | 08:57 |
| Stskeeps | it is possible for emulator but functionality may break | 08:57 |
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| tango_ | I see | 08:58 |
| tango_ | I guess full support for qemu would need that Spice thing to be fully functional | 08:58 |
| phaeron | probably something akin to qxl | 08:59 |
| phaeron | without the x part :D | 08:59 |
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| tango_ | for the video part, yes | 09:01 |
| tango_ | seems to work pretty well in my qemu vm already. but of course no shared folders that I know of | 09:01 |
| tango_ | ok, another question while I'm here | 09:01 |
| phaeron | tango_: try out p9fs based shared folders :) | 09:02 |
| tango_ | does the sailfish os have opencl? | 09:02 |
| tango_ | or are open-source opencl implementation too immature for the time being to give sailfish os support for it out of the box? | 09:02 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | tango_: :/ | 09:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm not sure to understand the purpose of running OpenCL on a phone | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | tango_: so generally we need something a little like mesa to provide libopencl | 09:03 |
| Stskeeps | if you have a mature implementation, i'd be happy to investigate | 09:04 |
| tango_ | Sfiet_Konstantin: if sailfish os is only supposed to run on low-end devices, probably none, but consider that even older tablets can have multicore, vector-capable processors, and using opencl is a good way to be able to support both that and stuff that would run on the gpu instead. | 09:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | tango_: true | 09:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but for opencl you need drivers don't you , | 09:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ? | 09:06 |
| tango_ | Sfiet_Konstantin: even android is starting to provide opencl (nontrivial and on limited hardware for the time being, but I'm pretty confident it'll become part of the standard set of features in the near future) | 09:06 |
| lbt | tango_: fwiw I'm planning to use lxc for the build engine virt | 09:06 |
| tango_ | Sfiet_Konstantin: you need at least one platform. as Stskeeps mentions, the mesa guys are working on one | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | so generally one needs to exist that will work on CPU-only ARM and X86 | 09:07 |
| tango_ | Stskeeps: and to reply to your question, no I do not know of a mature open-source implementation, sadly | 09:07 |
| tango_ | Stskeeps: yes, that would be the idea | 09:07 |
| tango_ | Stskeeps: there are actually two open-source cpu-only platforms that I can think of: clover (the mesa one) and pocl | 09:07 |
| tango_ | but I don't think they are fully-functional _yet_ | 09:07 |
| tango_ | lbt: what's lxc? | 09:08 |
| lbt | lightweight container | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | tango_: clover looks appealing | 09:08 |
| lbt | lighter than kvm | 09:08 |
| lbt | more than chroot | 09:08 |
| tango_ | Stskeeps: from what I understand clover is actually aiming higher than cpu-only. the infrastructure has been extended to make it the basis for galliumcompute altogether | 09:09 |
| tango_ | Stskeeps: so in the long run it might actually be a better choice | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | so generally we want something that can successfully be run inside our emulator as cpu only | 09:09 |
| Stskeeps | we use llvmpipe already | 09:09 |
| tango_ | (at least for a single platform with support for multiple devices, as opposed to multiple platforms for different devices) | 09:09 |
| tango_ | Stskeeps: both clover and pocl are based on llvm | 09:10 |
| tango_ | ( btw in case you missed it, pocl is here http://pocl.sourceforge.net/ ) | 09:10 |
| phaeron | personally I like kvm | 09:12 |
| Stskeeps | tango_: so what's the opencl issues on android devices? | 09:14 |
| tango_ | Stskeeps: I think that presently the only device that has official opencl support is the nexus10, because the device driver for the mali, that offers gles, also offers opencl | 09:15 |
| tango_ | IN THEORY the portland group has an opencl compiler that should allow you to use opencl on any armv7a devices. I couldn't make it work though | 09:15 |
| tango_ | I don't actually expect google to backport opencl support to armv7 (which is a pity, since it's perfectly capable) | 09:16 |
| Stskeeps | nexus4 has opencl too i believe | 09:16 |
| tango_ | it does? the pair of students of mine that tried that pgi stuff have nexus4s, and there doesn't seem to be any opencl whatsoever on the devices | 09:17 |
| tango_ | at least not functional (trying to use it gives a "no platforms available" error at platform selection) | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | i see libOpenCL.so in AOSP at least | 09:17 |
| tango_ | I think android 4.2 might have the ICD dispatcher present (libOpenCL.so), but afaik it doesn't actually expose a platform | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | ah ok | 09:17 |
| Stskeeps | as a closed binary | 09:18 |
| tango_ | (if it's based on khronos' icd, the source is now available) | 09:18 |
| tango_ | also, there's an open source dispatcher that has at least opencl 1.1 support | 09:18 |
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| tango_ | of course, for sailfish, I believe that exposing libOpenCL by default without having at least a cpu platform available would be mostly useless | 09:19 |
| tango_ | otoh, pocl might be a good starting point | 09:20 |
| tango_ | and amond the supported hardware it has both amd64 and (tada!): ARM v7/Linux (host&device) | 09:20 |
| Stskeeps | no 32-bit? hmm | 09:21 |
| tango_ | hm it has ppc32bit support | 09:21 |
| tango_ | it doesn't mention 32-bit x86 though, interesting | 09:21 |
| tango_ | otoh, it's llvm-based so I don't think it would fail | 09:22 |
| tango_ | (haven't tested though) | 09:22 |
| tango_ | anyway | 09:22 |
| tango_ | I think I'll install vbox in the mean time | 09:22 |
| tango_ | (btw I'm thrilled about jolla, the only downturn I've had so far is that it doesn't seem like their otherhalf thing will provide a keyboard for the time being) | 09:23 |
| * tango_ keeps his hopes up for the future | 09:23 | |
| Stskeeps | tango_: but anyway: this kind of stuff can go into mer core, so you're more than free to help out and figure out a way we can enable it in let's say mesa | 09:25 |
| tango_ | Stskeeps: good point | 09:25 |
| Stskeeps | the criteria is simple anyway, that it works on x86-32/arm | 09:25 |
| phaeron | tang and if you are interested in non vbox .. we could use a hand :D | 09:29 |
| phaeron | ( I use kvm internally ) | 09:29 |
| tango_ | phaeron: a hand in what? | 09:30 |
| phaeron | in testing out kvm / llvm / qxl etc .. | 09:31 |
| ericcc | vbox?me too | 09:32 |
| lbt | on linux I want to use lxc for the build engine - that allows us flex in the vm for the emulator - kvm/vbox won't co-exist and neither shares memory nicely with the host for compiling | 09:34 |
| tango_ | phaeron: testing out kvm with what, sailfish images? or kvm in general? | 09:42 |
| phaeron | sailfish emulator | 09:43 |
| tango_ | I'm up for it | 09:46 |
| tango_ | phaeron: after all, that's basically what I came here to ask 8-D | 09:46 |
| tango_ | otoh, the sdk refuses to install if vbox isn't installed | 09:47 |
| phaeron | you'll need to think outside the box :) it's not the supported scenario | 09:47 |
| lbt | I suggest installing vbox and getting it running first | 09:50 |
| lbt | then https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Build_your_own_copy_of_QtCreator | 09:51 |
| lbt | if you care about the QtC side | 09:51 |
| lbt | or just play with the vdi | 09:51 |
| lbt | nb - that repo is out of date and we've not pushed code recently - too busy, sorry :/ | 09:52 |
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| tango_ | ok, it's more stuff than i can do presently, it'll have to wait for next week | 10:01 |
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| sledges | .) | 12:05 |
| sledges | .? | 12:05 |
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| bb | hi all | 13:39 |
| Nicd- | hello bb | 13:39 |
| bb | where can i download sailfish roms for HTC One X | 13:39 |
| Yaniel | not yet | 13:40 |
| Nicd- | sailfish hasn't been released yet | 13:41 |
| bb | I hope soon , is so good product sailfish | 13:41 |
| Nicd- | you can try nemo though, I think | 13:41 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | bb: do you know how to hack roms ? | 13:41 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | do you know what a kernel is for example ? | 13:41 |
| bb | @ sfiet , can 't hack | 13:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ok | 13:42 |
| ericcc | hi how can i down browser code for sailfish | 13:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | then you can only wait | 13:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ericcc: what do you mean ? | 13:42 |
| bb | is nemo the same as sailfish | 13:42 |
| ericcc | browser code | 13:42 |
| ericcc | sailfish `s browser | 13:43 |
| ericcc | it look nice | 13:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ericcc: not available :) | 13:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | as for Silica | 13:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and co | 13:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | nothing is available | 13:43 |
| Yaniel | yet | 13:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | except the emulator image | 13:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | that is x86 | 13:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (so no port on phones) | 13:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and the emulator do not ship much | 13:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Yaniel: yet of cause :) | 13:43 |
| ericcc | for silica? | 13:44 |
| bb | do you know the laungh date of sailfish | 13:44 |
| Nicd- | bb: there is no official launch date yet | 13:44 |
| Nicd- | but they are "aiming for the end of 2013" | 13:44 |
| Nicd- | to release the phones | 13:44 |
| bb | nice | 13:45 |
| bb | i will look into nemo | 13:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | bb: nemo do not have image for one X yet :( | 13:46 |
| bb | i have to wait than , can meego run on HTC one X | 13:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | bb: you can ? | 13:47 |
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