Thursday, 2013-08-01

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nahkawhere i can find materials for app designing?13:07
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Sfiet_Konstantinnahka: what do you mean app designing ?13:09
Sfiet_Konstantinwhat kind of materials do you need13:09
nahkalike icon kits and other materials13:10
nahkastuff like this13:11
nahkafor example13:11
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cybettenahka: perhaps you can start with
nahkayeah i've read those13:23
nahkawell, guess I'll just start sketching13:23
Yanielnot much else available atm I suppose13:24
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cybettenot at the moment13:27
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sledgeSimnahka, all is available in .png/.svg formats under /usr/share/theme/* under sailfish emulator13:46
sledgeSimyou can extract them via scp and enjoy13:47
sledgeSimhave fun :)13:47
sledgeSimif you want to re-use some of icons unmodified, you can query their theme name instead13:48
sledgeSimbut if you want to sketch your stuff, you can re-use existing graphics13:48
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SuperpelicanIs internationalisation/localisation important for Sailfish OS applications?16:43
SuperpelicanOr will hardcoded English language strings do the job?16:44
Stskeepsit's always important in any apps16:44
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SuperpelicanStskeeps:I basically currently have my own internationalisation system ;)16:48
SuperpelicanStskeeps:It's probably extremely bad16:48
SuperpelicanStskeeps:And stupid16:48
SuperpelicanStskeeps:But hey, at least I learned reading, writing and creating files in C++ thanks to it ;)16:49
profoX`Hi everyone, can Sailfish OS currently run on a Nexus 7 tablet using Wayland and the Qualcomm GPU drivers? I've read some things, but I'm not sure what the current state is16:49
Stskeepsyes, why not just use qstr?16:49
Superpelicanbecause my app was pure C++ before16:49
SuperpelicanI'm building on a pure C++/STL app16:49
StskeepsprofoX`: new or old nexus 7?16:49
Superpelicanin fact it even dates back to my first real computer program16:50
Superpelicanit has a very long history :)16:50
profoX`Stskeeps, oh, I have the old one I think..16:50
Stskeepsthen you're thinking about nvidia drivers16:50
SuperpelicanI don't think I should waste your time with telling you the history ;)16:50
profoX`I've had it for a few months so I'm pretty sure it's the old one.. and yes it uses NVidia Tegra indeed16:50
StskeepsprofoX`: the bits needed for ARM isn't out yet; but yes, you can run wayland on it16:50
nahkaI assume there are people from Jolla here, right?16:51
Superpelicanyou're talking to one ;)16:51
Superpelicanctrl+c failed16:52
Superpelicanlast thing in my clipboard was a password :(16:53
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Superpelicanoh well, you can't change your password enough16:53
Superpelicananyway nahka:
profoX`Stskeeps, can you elaborate what you mean? Should I be able to put Sailfish OS on Nexus 7 and run Wayland on top of it? including OpenGL ES 2 apps? (I'm guessing not yet?)16:53
Superpelicanoops nahka:I'm afraid I just mistaken you for profX`16:54
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StskeepsprofoX`: OK, so, sailfish = sailfish UI + nemo middleware + mer core + a hardware adaptation; sailfish UI is not available for ARM yet; but somebody has already run wayland on top of nemo + mer core16:54
Stskeepson nexus 716:55
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Stskeepswith full opengl es16:55
Stskeepswith libhybris16:55
faenil*somebody* :D16:56
profoX`Stskeeps, interesting, is there documentation and/or code available? I only found this so far
StskeepsprofoX`: i think not yet but it was quite straightforward --- what would you like to try with it?16:57
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SuperpelicanStskeeps:Is dynamic translation necessary?17:03
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SuperpelicanStskeeps:As ability to change language during runtime17:05
StskeepsSuperpelican: not really17:05
SuperpelicanStskeeps:But was is used to change the language then?17:06
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profoX`Stskeeps, just wanted to try out what is possible with wayland and QtCompositor on a Nexus 7 actually.. I started with buildroot on raspberry pi which now boots into wayland/qt compositor, but now I'd like to target my Nexus 7 and improve the compositor with multitouch if this works, so it's just for trying out some concepts... I found out about Sailfish OS when googling around, and it actually looks very promising already so I might17:06
profoX`also want to run (or help port) the Sailfish UI for ARM.. however I'm not sure what skills would be necessary, because I have little experience with graphics/driver development..17:06
StskeepsprofoX`: nod, stay tuned17:10
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SuperpelicanStskeeps:Is this code ( also required for qstr (QML) or is it Qt Widgets only17:38
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Morpog_PCstskeeps, can I install it over last SDK? (on Windows)19:04
Morpog_PCor better unintall / install?19:04
lbtMorpog_PC: read and tell me what you think :)19:05
Morpog_PCoh, lol19:05
Morpog_PCI try19:06
locusfme too19:06
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Morpog_PCwith the sdk maintenance tool?19:06
Morpog_PCcouldn't find packages from repository :(19:07
Morpog_PCKonnte keine Updates.xml aus der Quelle herunterladen. Fehlermeldung: Error downloading - server replied: Not Found19:07
lbtMorpog_PC: did you read the site?19:09
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Morpog_PClbt nope, lol19:09
Morpog_PCExisting SailfishOS Alpha SDK installations must be removed by running the "SDKMaintenanceTool" found in the installation directory.19:09
faenilMorpog_PC, where is that?19:10
Morpog_PCwait, lol you call that updateability, rofl19:10
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Morpog_PCfaenil, in the windows installer download page19:10
Morpog_PClet me guess, you can update on linux and macOS? lbt19:11
faenilMorpog_PC, oh in the "Get Started"19:11
lbtyeah - do we need to be clearer about it19:11
faenillbt, what about adding info on the main page for those who still have the old alpha?19:11
faenillbt, definitely19:11
lbtI think so19:12
Morpog_PCwell, your tweet made me think about a real update ;)19:12
faenilI don't even know I had an SDK maintenance tool on Linux, lol19:12
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faenilMorpog_PC, I think the NEW Sdk bring updateability, the old one doesn't have it so you need to remove and reinstall19:12
faenilbut from now on it won't be needed19:12
Morpog_PCfaenil, aaah that makes sense then19:13
jake9xxfaenil: that's right!19:13
faeniljake9xx, thanks for confirming :)19:13
faenilerror removing home/user/.scratchbox19:14
faenilis this thing removing all my other MerSDK stuff?? :(19:14
Morpog_PCin windoows it did delete whole sailfishos dir19:14
faenilMorpog_PC, it's trying to remove the directory here19:15
faenilI have other stuff inside that dir :(19:15
yuntafaenil: "had" :P19:15
faenilactually I can't get it to go on :D19:16
Morpog_PCi hoped we get new stuff on too with SDK update :( like icon templates and stuff19:16
locusfActive keyboard: Chinese virtual keyboard WTF19:17
faenillbt, cannot remove directory /home/user/.scratchbox2 here19:17
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jake9xxSDK Installer does not force delete anything you have done/copied there19:17
faeniljake9xx, there a way to make it go on? XD19:18
jake9xxwindows, linux ?19:18
jake9xxfaenil: ?19:18
lbtfaenil: Existing SailfishOS Alpha SDK installations must be removed by running the "SDKMaintenanceTool" found in the installation directory.19:18
faenillbt, I'm getting that error during uninstallation19:19
locusfFatal: This specfile does not have the qtc_* macros defined19:19
locusfold project :(19:19
jake9xxlocusf: yes, workaround : patch the spec19:19
lbtlocusf: ah - we need docs on that19:19
Morpog_PCmaybe you should mark that sentence on in red "Updated Silica with Qt5, QtQuick2 & Wayland" unless people without twitter and co. could miss the update.19:19
lbtlocusf: even better ... change the yaml to have Builder: qtc519:20
lbtjake9xx: ^^ should be a better fix19:20
locusflbt: ok19:20
jake9xxlbt: true, I'll pick these to known issues list19:20
lbtlocusf: damnit - we did upgrade testing but didn't have a test to write a project in the old one and update that19:20
faenilis there anything I can do?19:20
locusfbash: /opt/sdk/mtgcounter/opt/sdk/bin/mtgcounter: cannot execute binary file19:21
locusfmy old project19:21
yuntafaenil: are you sure sdk vms are not running?19:21
jake9xxfaenil: do you have .scratchbox2 directory mounted somewhere else?19:21
locusfnew compile +'package install19:21
faeniljake9xx, I had MerSDK open (not the VM one) when I started the process...didn't know this wanted to kill everything in my sb219:22
faenilbut now it's closed19:22
jake9xxfaenil: you might need to umount your mersdk19:22
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jake9xxi.e. exit from mersdk shell19:23
Juice__hi! does anyone know if there is md5sums for sailfish sdk installers?19:23
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faeniljake9xx, I did already exit19:23
jake9xxJuice__: I'll make one19:24
faeniljake9xx, and "sdk umount" says target is busy19:24
Juice__linux 64bit please19:25
Juice__it's just that I am not sure if my download succeeded or if there is something else wrong19:26
faeniljake9xx, and I have 2 sdk maintanance open, one is taking 25% cpu (1 thread)19:26
faenildoing dunno what...19:26
faenil(2 processes, but only one Window)19:26
yuntajust reboot :P19:26
locusfmy old projects don't even run19:26
faenilyunta, I can't stop the process, only "ignore19:27
faeniland now "Error during uninstallation process:"19:27
faenilno description! :O19:27
lbtlocusf: OK - so lets work that out19:27
yuntafaenil: if you reboot your pc - all processes will stop anyway, seriously ;)19:27
locusflbt: ok19:27
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lbtlocusf: first I suggest you make a new project using the new template19:27
faenilyunta, what about an option to abor the uninstallation....19:27
faenilyunta, rebooting while uninstallation is half done isnt' very clean, is it19:28
lbtthat will give you the new boilerplate for .pro  and .yaml19:28
yuntafaenil: very good point!19:28
* Morpog_PC smells sarcasm in here19:28
locusflbt: ok19:29
faenilMorpog_PC, sarcasm has no point here, rebooting while uninstalling is plain stupid19:29
yuntalbt: ^ lets test that before beta release19:29
Morpog_PCwell, when it's stuck it's stuck. I would have killed the process.19:29
lbtyunta: faenil: not sure what the issue is19:29
faenilMorpog_PC, it's not stuck, I just had to hit "ignore"19:30
Morpog_PCah ok19:30
faenilbut now I don't know what was left19:30
faeniland one of the errors didn't even have a description19:30
yuntafaenil: I'm only suggesting reboot because it seems easy. Unless you work on server-like machine.....19:30
lbtfaenil: was that the old uninstall from the Alpha?19:30
faenillbt, yep19:30
lbtfaenil: the main thing there is to remove both the SDK VMs and the SailfishOS dir19:30
lbtalso anything from SDK in ~/.scratchbox2 (ideally all of it)19:31
faenillbt, the first error was while trying to remove directory "scratchbox2)19:31
faenilall of it?19:31
faenilbut, I have my other stuff in it...19:31
yunta"from SDK"19:31
faenilother targets which have nothing to do with sailfish sdk19:31
lbtfaenil: yeah - the original uninstaller couldn't handle that19:32
faenilyunta, well the error was "while removing DIRECTORY scratchbox2"19:32
faenilyunta, not only sdk files :P19:32
lbtfaenil: .scratchbox2/SailfishOS-i486-x86/ should be enough19:33
faenillbt, yeah removed that ;)19:33
faenillet's try new installation now and see if it hangs19:33
lbtlet me know if it complains about .scratchbox2.19:33
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Superpelican_the Qt5 SDK has just been released :D19:37
lbtfaenil: sorry I kinda missed what sparked your issue - hectic few minutes :)19:37
Superpelican_(in case it hasn't been announced on IRC too)19:37
faenillbt, np, I understand :) I started the uninstaller, and got that errore "can't remove directory /home/user/.scratchbox2"19:37
faenilsomething like that19:37
faenilthen "Error while uninstalling:" and no description at all19:38
Superpelican_oh it has been I see19:38
lbtOK - we should "known issue" it19:38
faenilI had to hit ignore both of the times19:38
locusflbt: ok old project, new spec, compile works but gettings some linker errors due to my complex setup19:38
lbtSuperpelican_: ty :)19:38
faeniland it finished19:38
faenillbt, new installation finished without errors it seems19:38
lbtfaenil: so hard to hit all the permutations regularly during development19:38
faenillbt, I understand, just giving feedback ;)19:38
lbtyeah ty - and make sure it gets into known issues (if I forget)19:39
faenilok :P19:39
faenilbbl, dinner19:39
Superpelican_lbt: lol the link in the email is broken19:39
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jake9xx"What else could go wrong?" :)19:40
Superpelican_you probably selected too much txt19:40
Superpelican_clicking it results in the browser searching it on <insert_your_default_searchengine>19:41
Morpog_PCwhats the application page in settings app good for?19:41
lbtMorpog_PC: pretty isn't it  .... I think it's a teaser...19:42
Morpog_PCi like the keyboard chooser on the VKB space key19:43
Superpelican_is the settings app available in the new emulator?19:43
Morpog_PCwell, a crippled settings app19:43
Superpelican_well at least happy to see more things to play around with :)19:44
lbtSuperpelican_: hmm - link works here - I wonder if some browsers need the trailing /19:44
Superpelican_too bad I'm on my N90019:44
Superpelican_lbt:MicroB and Maemo default email client here :)19:45
lbtah, you need a jolla device ... it wouldn't do that19:45
* lbt carefully avoids saying what it *would* do right now...19:45
Superpelican_best marketing ever19:46
Juice__jake9xx: I don't need the md5sum anymore19:47
Juice__download was just truncated19:47
Superpelican_lbt:unless a Sailfish OS image for the N900 would appear ;)19:47
* lbt suspects a png is the closest you'll get on N90019:48
* Superpelican_ was just kidding19:48
jake9xxJuice__: it's actually soon there :D19:49
Superpelican_I'd buy a Jolla for having more RAM alone :)19:50
Morpog_PCnice calender view, first I was puzzled how to change year, but then I noticed the pulley :)19:50
locusflbt: do you know of any guides to porting to Qt5?19:50
locusfI have things like QtConcurrent::run which don't work anymore19:51
lbtlocusf: only the standard Qt ones - lpotter may know ?19:51
spider-mariowhat do you mean it doesn’t work anymore?19:51
Superpelican_locusf:there's a lot of info on qt-project.org19:51
jake9xxhow about that ?19:51
locusfjake9xx: nice, thanks19:51
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Superpelican_of course don't know if the Silica components were updated too19:52
spider-mariolocusf : the include file may have changed19:52
spider-mariowhat do you include, currently?19:52
locusfspider-mario: #include <QDebug>19:53
locusf#include <QtCore>19:53
locusf#include <QDateTime>19:53
locusf#include <QTextDocument>19:53
spider-marioI meant for QtConcurrent::run19:53
spider-mariooh, QtCore19:53
spider-marioit should include QtConcurrent19:53
spider-mariooh, wait, not anymore19:53
specialand you need QT += concurrent in .pro19:53
spider-marioQtConcurrent is now a separate module19:53
spider-marioyou need to include its header file as well19:53
spider-mario(and add it to your modules, as mentioned by special)19:53
locusfah ok19:54
spider-mariothe .pro will still work with qmake from qt419:54
spider-marioit will just warn you that it doesn’t know of a “concurrent” module19:54
spider-mariobut it’ll work anyway19:54
locusf'fromAscii' is not a member of Qstring19:55
spider-mario(the same goes for widgets)19:55
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locusffixed with fromLocal8bit19:56
speciallocusf: fromLatin1 is more likely to be what you want.19:56
locusfah ok19:56
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specialunless you know your text to be UTF8, in which case you want fromUtf819:57
spider-marioUTF-8 is great19:57
spider-marioI use it wherever I can19:57
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Superpelican_spider-mario ++19:58
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Superpelican_the easiest to escape from encoding hell19:58
Superpelican_s/the easiest/the easiest way20:01
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Superpelican_Is SDL 2 supported in Sailfish?20:08
Superpelican_Porting from Harmattan suggests so20:08
Superpelican_Would be really nice20:08
spider-marioit would indeed20:08
Superpelican_I was planning in learning it anyway :)20:09
yuntaSuperpelican_: afaik it will be supported (mer/nemo has it)20:09
ibinsUhoh: first install failure :-(20:10
Superpelican_Notifications->Sailfish: none20:10
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jake9xxit's not linked separately but MD5SUMS is at
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jake9xxso if you suspect corrupted download, use that as reference20:10
ibinsrough transation: Failed to install component org.merproject.emulator20:10
Superpelican_So notifications are a core app only feature?20:10
jake9xxibins: did you remove the existing installation?20:11
ibinsUnexpected failure code 1:20:11
jake9xxibins: ising SDKMaintenanceTool found from your sailfishos installation dir20:11
ibinsjake9xx: yes20:11
jake9xxibins: what is your host OS ?20:11
ibinsjake9xx: gentoo20:12
Superpelican_Maybe notifications are provided by Nemo Mobile plugins20:12
ibinsInstalling mer sdk vm worked.20:12
jake9xxibins: we have not QA'd on that so you are our first of kind there20:12
ibinsIntalling the emulator vm failed20:12
yuntaSuperpelican_: it may just mean the component is not yet ready for publishing20:12
locusflbt: app running \o/20:12
ibinsBad luck, he? :-)20:12
Superpelican_yunta: just what I was going to say :)20:13
jake9xxibins: I think there might be something in the way emulator uses VBox that does not work on gentoo20:13
jake9xxibins: I'll fire up installation tomorrow at work20:13
Superpelican_the page also says the Nemo plugins aren't ready yet20:13
ibinsThe failure message continues: /usr/bin/VBoxManage modifyvm SailfishOS Emulator --ostype ......20:13
Sfiet_Konstantinalright, ambiancechanger got a port !20:13
Sfiet_Konstantinwill push tomorrow20:14
Superpelican_porting is faster than I thought20:14
jake9xxibins: that's wrong. it should have "SailfishOS Emulator" with hyphenation markers20:14
jake9xxSuperpelican_: can we quote that ?20:14
locusfjake9xx: what version of QtWebKit is installed in the sdk?20:14
Superpelican_of course20:15
ibinsjake9xx: I think you spared yourself a horrible gentoo installation party :-)20:15
jake9xxlocusf: 5.0.2 but with patches20:15
jake9xxibins: nää, I'll just fire up a VM for it20:16
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Superpelican_jake9xx:Webkit or Qt?20:16
Sfiet_Konstantinlocusf: webkit that comes with Qt520:17
jake9xxSuperpelican_: libqtwebkit5-5.0.2git380.289da56-1.4.6.i486.rpm20:17
Stskeepscloser to 5.1 than 5.0.220:17
Sfiet_Konstantinimport QtWebKit 3.0 if you mean in QML20:17
Stskeepsits from right before 5.1 release20:17
Superpelican_so it's kind of based on a nightly?20:18
Superpelican_with patches applied20:18
locusfSilicaWebView is not found :/20:18
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Superpelican_really looks like SDL 2 (therefore with openGL ES acceleration) is supported20:19
Superpelican_there lots of information about it20:20
ibinsjake9xx: anything I can do about this "SailfishOS Emulator" without hyphenation markers? Could I help someway?20:20
locusfError: Error while loading page: file:///opt/sdk/bluewhale/opt/sdk/share/bluewhale/pages/Login.qml:55 SilicaWebView is not a type20:20
lbtlocusf: :D20:20
locusflbt: what? :D20:21
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jake9xxibins: sure let's try something20:22
Superpelican_locusf:I think lbt likes your app name ;)20:22
ibinsjake9xx: ok20:22
locusfblue whale, elephant of the sea :)20:22
jake9xxibins: I'll make you a pastie20:23
lbtlocusf: I went for a walk and saw your app was running20:23
Superpelican_So I'm not the only one with a sea themed app name20:23
locusfsegfault ....20:23
jjanviersilly noob stupid question20:24
jake9xxibins: can you find any vdi images under ~/SailfishOS ?20:24
jjanvierwhere can I configure the debugger for sailfishos in qt creator ??20:24
Sfiet_Konstantinjjanvier: isn't it autoconfigured ?20:25
ibinsjake9xx: yes: mersdk/mer.vdi and emulator/sailfishos.vdi20:25
Sfiet_Konstantinlocusf: missing some import I guess20:25
jake9xxibins: ok, bood20:25
jake9xxibins: ok, good, pls stand by20:26
ibinsjake9xx: Should i copy/paste the error message with hyphens?20:26
lbtI thought the vm names had spaces and needed quoting fwiw20:26
jjanvierSfiet_Konstantin: no, when I try to launch the debug, I get "no debugger set up"20:27
Sfiet_Konstantinjake9xx: :/20:28
Sfiet_Konstantinlet me try20:28
jake9xxlbt: that's Gentoo linux specific thing20:28
lbtjake9xx: ah20:28
jake9xxjjanvier: let me catch you on that, build type debug -> start debug?20:29
AardSuperpelican_: there's an mtf-compatible notification api for calling from c++, a dbus-api, and there should be bindings in nemo qml components20:30
AardSuperpelican_: basically it's just xdg notifications with some sugar coating20:30
Superpelican_Nice to hear :)20:30
Sfiet_Konstantinjake9xx: works here :/20:31
Sfiet_Konstantinbetter reinstall your SDK20:31
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ibinsjake9xx: Hoorray! You are the best! Emulator vm modified correctly now!20:34
jake9xxibins: hth, I'll put this to known issues20:34
ibinsHow comes this, that this would be "Gentoo specific"?20:35
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jake9xxibins: that's a good question20:35
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jake9xxinstaller runs those exact commands on it20:35
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jake9xxand they are the same for all platforms20:35
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ibinshm. Could this be shell specific?20:37
jake9xxyou're not on *ash ?20:38
ibinsjake9xx: yes, I am20:38
ibinsjake9xx: GNU bash 4.2.4520:38
jake9xxthat should be ok too20:39
ibinsjake9xx: Thank you very much! Can I be more of assistance?20:39
ibinsVBoxManage version is 4.1.26_Gentoo_r8499720:40
fk_lxjake9xx: great job with SDK, I hope your head won't explode after so much work ;-)20:40
jake9xxfk_lx: here's the best part : my holidays start next week :)20:41
fk_lxjake9xx: yay! :-)20:41
jake9xxfk_lx: thanks :)20:41
fk_lxjake9xx: rest well then!20:41
jjanvierSfiet_Konstantin: gdb was not installed ^^ everything is fine now20:42
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lbtjjanvier: for qml debugging zypper in qt5-qtdeclarative-plugin-qmlinspector on emulator20:42
jake9xxfk_lx: that's a roger :)20:42
faenil_had to force-shutdown the laptop...20:42
lbtit should probably be there by default20:42
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil_: hello there20:43
faenil_couldn't close the emulator20:43
faenil_Sfiet_Konstantin, hey20:43
Sfiet_Konstantinmister "I always have problems with the SDK"20:43
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Sfiet_Konstantinyou already got problems with the alpha 120:43
Sfiet_Konstantinis the alpha 2 better for your computer ?20:43
faenil_Sfiet_Konstantin, I say the problems I have, some other people just keep their mouth shut, and see Jolla failing when they ship a bugged product20:43
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil_: come on !20:46
Sfiet_Konstantinit is ok :)20:46
jake9xxthis is where the update scheme comes into place. Next update ist not months away, we're talking weeks20:46
faenil_Sfiet_Konstantin, ;)20:46
Sfiet_Konstantinjust that I installed it and it works20:46
Sfiet_Konstantinbut you are not lucky it seems20:46
jake9xxand the issues faenil_ has are somewhat known but reside in asset not controlled by jolla20:46
nodevelHeyAnyone havin20:47
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nodevelHey! Anyone having problem with running MerSDK?20:47
jake9xxcomputer hw, installed & running other program etc.. they all interfere20:47
nodevelhm hm. I didn't have any problem with the first SDK. I'll try again.20:49
jake9xxnodevel: what problems are you facing20:49
faenilgood night people :)20:49
faenilI hope Jolla guys will rest a bit now :)20:49
yuntagn faenil , and thanks !20:50
faenilnp :)20:50
w00tjake9xx: weeks? days! c'mon ;)20:51
nodeveljake9xx: "failed to access perfctr msr". However, I tried again and waited ~10 more minutes and now it seems ok. thx for help, though20:51
faenilw00t, read that updated lipstick screwed Wayland Nemo? XD20:51
w00tfaenil: go figure out why :)20:52
nodeveljake9xx: I should've had more patience :)20:52
jake9xxw00t: you know who to push :)20:52
ibinsw00t: give him at least a week vacation! :-)20:52
faenilw00t, what about the guy who broke it goes and figures out why :P20:52
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Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: rest ? no :D20:54
faenilSfiet_Konstantin, no rest! \o/20:54
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fk_lxSfiet_Konstantin: it does not counts if you are an intern there, you have faster access to SDK :-P20:56
Sfiet_Konstantinfk_lx: nope20:57
Sfiet_KonstantinI did the port today20:57
Sfiet_Konstantinlike 5 min ago20:57
Sfiet_Konstantinlook at the diff, it is easy :)20:57
fk_lxwill check20:58
fk_lxlbt: ok, so I've been able to compile example project in new SDK with success, installation went completely smoothly in my case, no problems so far20:59
fk_lxrunning fresh Fedora 1920:59
fk_lxlbt: migrated from Ubuntu today in the morning, as the next version of it will go Mir, which I don't plan to use ;-)21:00
* lbt shakes head21:01
Sfiet_Konstantinfk_lx: :)21:01
Sfiet_Konstantinwelcome in fedora21:02
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fk_lxanyway SDK works for me, but I will test it more during the weekend, very tired now after a very busy day21:02
* lbt knows the feelin21:02
fk_lxlbt: ;-)21:03
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fk_lxlbt with jake9xx on the outpost even now, answering questions regarding SDK21:04
jake9xxon the "what could go wrong" items.. so I was doing the releases for this sdk and my work laptop's said poof this monday21:04
* fk_lx bows showing his big respect21:04
lbtjake9xx: did I mention that the batteries in my UPS literally melted and won't come out21:05
jake9xxlbt: yes21:05
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jake9xxlbt: I was sometimes looking at you just disconnected in the middle of sentence in irc due to lightning21:05
lbtyeah - not fun21:06
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lbtwe were out 7hrs21:06
jake9xxmakes you respect ultrabook's batteries ;)21:07
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w00ti now feel like a bad person for really (really really) enjoying thunderstorms21:07
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jake9xxw00t: +121:07
yuntaI do enjoy them too. Are kind of fun to photograph.21:07
Sfiet_Konstantinw00t: thunderstorms are awesome21:07
jake9xxI just love it when it's above my head21:07
jake9xxonce saw when lightning stroke a small telephone mast21:08
lbtI like trying to photograph lightning21:08
lbtbut not using a long delay - just 1/60th21:09
jjanvierhmmm... "Keypad is not a type"21:10
yuntalbt: you may enjoy connecting your raspi to camera (or flash)21:10
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Morpog_PCbtw lbt, emulator VM still enables my usb webcam :)21:15
lbtMorpog_PC: we really need to do passthru to mimic the device camera21:16
Morpog_PCthat would be great21:17
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Superpelican_jjanvier:Do the Silica components now have a seperate keypad?21:24
Superpelican_would be awesome21:24
Superpelican_my app is all about entering numers :)21:25
specialSuperpelican_: yes21:25
Superpelican_I hoped for it21:25
jjanvierSuperpelican_: according to the doc, it seems to be
specialyou can use that if you want a fullscreen keypad component, like dialing phone numbers..21:26
specialthere is also a numeric keyboard21:26
jjanvieris the doc up to date ?21:27
Superpelican_I'd prefer a numeric keyboard :)21:27
Superpelican_the whole doc area was updated just after the SDK release21:28
Superpelican_when I checked it this morning everything was still Qt4.8 etc21:28
specialTextField { inputMethodHints: Qt.ImhDialableCharactersOnly } or one of the similar options should get you a numeric keyboard.21:29
Superpelican_special:But is that also for Silica?21:29
specialSilica's TextField supports all the API of QML TextInput, yes21:29
Superpelican_I have IntValidator already at least21:29
Superpelican_that's nice21:29
Superpelican_so there's still some sort of compatibility between QML components and the Silica ones?21:30
specialwell, silica (like all the other Qt component sets, excluding insanity like bb10 cascades) is building on the standard set of QML items21:31
specialLabel is a Text; TextField is a TextInput; TextArea is a TextEdit; and so on21:31
Superpelican_that makes sense :)21:32
Superpelican_Didn't Cascades was much more custom than Silica BTW21:32
Superpelican_BTW is there any update on compatibility with the Ubuntu for Phones components?21:33
Superpelican_Or has that stalled already?21:33
jake9xxlet's say we talk with them now and then21:35
specialpersonally, I would expect it to be relatively easy to port between any two sets of QtQuick components, but direct compatibility isn't feasible21:35
specialthe talk going on in Qt about selectors (see is a big part of that21:36
Superpelican_Well actually I don't really care about being able to port a Sailfish app to Ubuntu or vice versa21:36
Superpelican_But I was just curious21:36
Superpelican_A while a go it there was a lot of news about it21:37
Superpelican_And I haven't heard anything about it recently21:37
Superpelican_I'm not planning on supporting Ubuntu for Phones21:38
jake9xxwe can of course help ubuntu developers to port their stuff to Silica :)21:38
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Superpelican_I haven't ran Ubuntu for a long long time21:39
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Superpelican_And I don't like the direction they've taken recently either21:39
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Superpelican_honestly I don't know if Mir is truly better than Wayland as they claim21:40
Superpelican_but if everyone is satisfied with Wayland it can't be that bad21:41
Superpelican_And they're fragmenting the FOSS landscape21:41
Superpelican_Wayland seems good enough to me21:41
jake9xxplus when you have guys who went extra mile with X11 to make it work doing Wayland it's not going to repeat X11's errors21:42
Superpelican_Well, I have to leave now21:43
Superpelican_So until tomorrow ;)21:43
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Superpelican_that sounds pretty badly translated from dutch21:44
Superpelican_nvm Goodbye21:44
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jjanvieranother silly question22:10
jjanvierif I want to store data that has been input by the user22:11
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jjanvierwhere should I look in the doc ?22:11
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