Friday, 2013-08-02

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blue787So I am an absolute novice but I would love to try my hands at app writing for sailfish, heard there was an update of the SDK for Qt03:35
MFaroTusinoAnyone wanna help me solve my issue with the SDK sincve the update?03:35
blue787Where do I start what do I need to know ? Do I have to be an expert coder n03:35
MFaroTusinoTried to rebuild a project (code untouched) that I had going in the last SDK, but now I get this error03:35
MFaroTusinoThis specfile does not have the qtc_* macros defined03:35
MFaroTusinoBlue787: Start at and look through documentation03:36
blue787Ok, will do, I believe there's a growing interest and buzz surrounding Sailfish OS03:37
blue787I think it looks amazing03:37
MFaroTusinoHave you seen Glacier UI (I know, off-topic)?03:38
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Stskeepsgood morning04:07
MFaroTusinoMorning Stskeeps :)04:10
MFaroTusinoI managed to fix the previous issue, but now I have another one04:14
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Nicd-hmm, the demo gallery app doesn't have the same picture on the cover and in the application, is this by design?05:12
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StskeepsNicd-: hmm, screenshot(s)?05:17
Nicd-I didn't take any but when I scrolled to an image and then went back to the home screen, it had the initial image in the cover05:18
Nicd-I changed the image in the cover a few times and then clicked to go back to the app, it was back in the image I had selected earlier, not the one in the cover05:18
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Stskeepsok, mail about this to mailing list? may be fixed in later update05:19
Nicd-I can't do that now but later this weekend05:20
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Nicd-Stskeeps: can you tell when we can expect internal APIs like media player API etc?06:07
Nicd-or just "when it's ready"?06:07
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Yaniellbt: and are out of sync07:03
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jake9xxYaniel: I'll take this to our IT - it's a CDN problem, wonders of cloud technology07:07
jake9xxYaniel: thanks for pointing out07:08
Yanielthanks for the quick response :)07:08
jake9xxall: <- more stuff here regarding uninstallation07:08
jake9xxYaniel: hth07:08
Juice__am I correct that sailfish sdk does not yet support qt5 and qtquick 2.0?07:11
Yanielthe new version does07:11
jake9xxJuice__: it does, that's the idea07:11
Yanieland it uses wayland, right?07:12
StskeepsJuice__: it's qt5, qtquick 2.0, wayland, yes07:12
Juice__I have Qt Creator 2.6.2 based on Qt 4.8.407:12
jake9xxJuice__: depending on your location our CDN provider's cache might show you old, esp. if you have
Juice__And I don't get it to import QtQuick 2.007:13
Juice__so what is the most recent version of the sdk I should have?07:13
jake9xxJuice__: when you instantiate a mer platform project you'll get access to our Qt5 target (rootfs)07:13
jake9xxJuice__: your installer should have 'Alpha-Qt5' in the name07:13
Juice__damn, it doesn't07:14
Juice__off to the internets to seek it!07:14
Sfiet_Konstantinis thee a plan to support shadow build ?07:14
Sfiet_Konstantinand is there a plan not to create this rpmbuild folder in my $HOME ?07:15
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jake9xxYaniel: fixed07:15
jake9xxSfiet_Konstantin: that needs comment from lbt, everything is doable - we're Jolla :) - some things just take little time and some a bit longer07:17
Sfiet_Konstantinjake9xx: :) np07:17
Sfiet_Konstantinwill send an email in the ml just to be sure07:18
Juice__okay so the sailfish frontpage shows wrong download links07:18
Juice__because of cdn or something07:18
Sfiet_Konstantinbetter setup a bugzilla instance maybe :)07:18
Yanieltry reloading the page a couple of times07:18
Juice__Yaniel: yeah, now it shows it07:18
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jake9xxSfiet_Konstantin: ty07:19
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Sfiet_Konstantinhey faenil08:35
Sfiet_KonstantinSDK working ? or still issues ?08:35
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faenilSfiet_Konstantin, I just switched the laptop on :P08:39
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lbtSfiet_Konstantin: that rpmbuild dir - I must have missed it, we're so used to seeing it.08:40
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lbtSfiet_Konstantin: the code that does that is a mix of rpm itself and mb2
lbtSfiet_Konstantin: istr rpm is pretty hardcoded though08:41
Sfiet_Konstantinlbt: can you remove rpmbuild at the end of the script ?08:41
lbtSfiet_Konstantin: I guess so ... as usual it's the edge-cases that matter08:42
lbtsome people use and rely on it :)08:42
Sfiet_KonstantinI know08:43
Sfiet_Konstantin(remove it inside QtC ?)08:43
lbtnow we get into what roles the components play08:44
lbtQtC shouldn't know about it08:44
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lbtflux: np, welcome09:04
fluxhello. qt creator says "Could not connect to MerSDK Virtual Machine. Connection refused." - suggestions?09:06
fluxit seems to start up fine and I can ping from it09:06
fluxthe last message in the MerSDK window is "Adding src workspace src1"09:07
fluxlocalhost port 2222 responds, but 2223 does not09:08
Sfiet_Konstantinflux: can you ssh into it ?09:08
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lbtflux: what platform are you on09:10
fluxhmm, actually this might be a non-persistent user error :). is it so that I should have two virtual machinse running?09:10
lbtthere are 2 VMs09:11
lbtbuild engine & emulator09:11
lbt2222 is engine (via nat)09:11
lbt2223 is emulator09:11
fluxI pressed 'run' again and it started a new vm, but it still says 'Could not connect to SailfishOS emulator virtual machine'09:11
fluxI run debian unstable09:11
fluxon x86/6409:11
lbtyeah - QtC is a little dumb in that situation09:11
lbtflux: same as me09:11
fluxit started the emulator, but apparently not the application.09:12
fluxgreat, third time is the charm :)09:12
fluxI actually tried this with the previous sdk, but judged it just buggy and wasn't persistent enough..09:12
lbtit's rather annoying to me that it is still so dumb after so long09:13
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* Superpelican is finally going to download the new SDK :D09:14
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lbtflux: once you get what's happening (ie you need the engine running to compile and you need the emulator running to test) then the status at the bottom left helps09:15
lbtif only the dominant colour for "all is well" wasn't red !!!09:15
* lbt sighs :)09:15
locusfwhere can I find the qml sources in the newest SDK emulator?09:17
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: \o/09:17
SuperpelicanDownload just completed :D09:17
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SuperpelicanToo bad I have to delete the old SDK first :(09:18
locusffor Silica that is09:18
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: what's the problem09:20
Sfiet_Konstantinwhy are people wanting to keep an outdated thing09:20
Superpelicanwell this works at least09:21
SuperpelicanI have experience ;)09:21
SuperpelicanI was a distro hopper09:21
SuperpelicanBut I think I'm finally resting now ;)09:21
locusfI tried the SilicaWebView example and it doesn't work at all, SilicaWebView is not a type09:22
Superpelicanthe only thing that can lure me away now is Fedora09:22
Superpelicanwith it's update kernels between releases policy09:22
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin: but at least my hardware isn't troublesome ;)09:23
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:Except for Optimus09:24
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:But I've mastered that now ;)09:24
SuperpelicanI've finally succeeded in turning off that stupid discrete Nvidia card09:24
Superpelicanthat was heating up my laptop09:24
Superpelicanand drawing power09:24
Superpelicanthanks to the awesome openSUSE forums :)09:24
Superpelicanso that's another reason to stay with openSUSE09:25
Superpelicanotherwise I'll have to get the stupid card turned off again09:25
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nahkasailfish os design guidelines are not final, I assume?09:25
Superpelicannahka:Well nothing's ever finished09:26
SuperpelicanThere's always room for improvement09:26
Superpelicanso from that point of view09:26
Superpelicanbut I can't imagine them changing it radically09:26
Superpelicanthe basics will probably remain the smae09:27
lbtlocusf: rofl - I was just about to suggest around there09:27
Superpelicanlocusf:So that's why you need to uninstall the SDK?09:27
locusfSuperpelican: I do?09:27
Superpelicanlocusf: ?09:27
locusfSuperpelican: what do you mean09:27
locusfwhy do I need to uninstall the SDK09:28
SuperpelicanIf /usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica is the reason why we need to uninstall the SDK?09:28
Superpelicanor isn't that on the host?09:28
locusfno I just FYI'd that here, if people were wondering where the current qml sources are09:28
Superpelicanlocusf:I meant the old SDK09:28
Superpelicanlocusf:But is that dir on the Sailfish emulator or on the host system?09:29
locusflbt: suggest what?09:29
locusfSuperpelican: emulator09:29
Superpelicanah ok09:29
SuperpelicanSo it isn't the reason we need to uninstall the old SDK09:29
lbt /usr/lib/qt5/qml/*09:29
locusfah ok09:29
fluxdoes the SDK support QML debugging? I just get "Could not connect to the in-process QML debugger. The application is not set up for QML/JS debugging." and I seem to be unable to find the things the help suggests I should enable (I imagine the help is just obsolete?). Debugger Settings/Enable QML is enabled, though.09:30
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Yanielsee FAQ, you need to install some package(s)09:30
Superpelicanyeah you should install some like qt5-qdeclarative-qml-debugger-plugin09:31
Superpelicanor something like that09:31
Superpelicanin the emulator09:31
Yaniel"For qml debugging you must "zypper in qt5-qtdeclarative-plugin-qmlinspector" as root on emulator "09:32
fluxis hidden from google, that phrase finds nothing?-)09:33
Yanielit is a new page09:33
locusflbt: any ideas about the SilicaWebView not working?09:33
Yaniellinked to from the "getting started" page nowadays09:34
Morpog_PCflux, works here, 1st result09:34
Superpelicanoh Yaniel beat me :(09:34
Superpelican"zypper in qt5-qtdeclarative-plugin-qmlinspector"09:35
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Superpelicanlbt:Is that anything to worry about?09:37
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fluxseems to work, thanks09:40
Superpelicanlbt:I could only choose "Ignore"09:42
lbtSuperpelican: yeah - I'll feed it back...09:42
Superpelicanlbt:Reply kept throwing the same error09:42
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Superpelicanlbt:$HOME/.local/share/applications/ is empty now09:43
Superpelicanso either it did remove the .desktops there after all or they didn't exist at uninstall time09:44
SuperpelicanAnyone else having problems with recently?09:46
SuperpelicanClicking buttons sometimes doesn't give any feedback09:46
Superpelicanneither does it do anything09:47
Superpelicanand notes sometimes take forever to send09:47
jake9xxSuperpelican: with buttons you mean qtc buttons?09:49
Superpelicaneh no09:49
SuperpelicanJolla has an account there09:49
SuperpelicanAnd therefore I've got one too ;)09:50
Superpelicanjake9xx:Recently they switched to new software09:50
Superpelicanjake9xx:And now I'm having lots of problems09:50
SuperpelicanWas just curious if I'm the only one09:50
SuperpelicanIt's extremely annoying09:51
jake9xxSuperpelican: tbh I don't have slightest clue what you are talking about :)09:51
jake9xxSuperpelican: I've never used that service, didn't even know we (Jolla) have account there09:52
Superpelicanis a microblogging service09:52
Superpelicana non-evil alternative to Twitter09:52
Superpelicanit's based on open source software09:52
Superpelicanbut they recently switched from the software to the software09:53
Superpelicanand now I'm having many problems09:53
jake9xxthat's usually causing problems.. "what could go wrong?"09:53
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Superpelicanjake9xx:What I really think is stupid09:53
Superpelicanis that on http://pump.io09:54
Superpelicanthey actually say that is still under heavy development09:54
jake9xxaccount identities? when nokia ditched their own people and merged ovi registration with yahoo I got superb lot of problems as my account in yahoo and ovi had same name09:54
Superpelicanyet they put it on a production webserver with lots of people09:54
Nicd-hehe, I love the "Build failing" badge on the front page09:54
Superpelicanyeah makes me believe it did actually fail09:55
Superpelicanbut they just turned on some compiler options09:55
Superpelicanto ignore it09:55
Superpelicannow let's hope I can successfully send my note09:56
Superpelicanit actually worked09:56
Superpelicanhmm I should really replace my profile icon on identi.ca09:57
Superpelicanmy homedrawn graphics are pretty bad09:57
Superpelicanthe older it gets09:57
Superpelicanthe more I realize it ;)09:57
Superpelicanlet's swap it for :)09:58
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Superpelicanthe new SDK includes Python10:03
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* Superpelican 's new SDK just finished installing :)10:06
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SuperpelicanEspecially might want to put this under your pillow :) :
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SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:With what should #include <QGraphicsObject> be replaced?10:21
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: never use qgraphicsobject :O10:23
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Sfiet_Konstantinmind doing some pastebin ?10:23
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:But I didn't add it10:23
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:It was already in the template10:23
Sfiet_Konstantinmind a pastebin ? :)10:24
Sfiet_Konstantinit should not :D10:24
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:This is what my include area looks like now:
SuperpelicanI've already changed the QDeclarative stuff10:25
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: are you sure ?10:25
Sfiet_Konstantindid you used the Sailfish application template ?10:25
Sfiet_Konstantinare you using sailfish os qt creator ?10:26
Sfiet_Konstantinthis do not look like sailfish thing10:26
SuperpelicanWell I used the old SDK before10:26
Sfiet_Konstantinlet me check10:26
Sfiet_Konstantinwhat is this file ?10:26
SuperpelicanI'm now editing the files in my text editor10:26
Sfiet_Konstantinsailfishapplication.h ?10:26
Superpelicanoh eh10:26
SuperpelicanI forgot to tell I deleted sailfishapplication10:26
Superpelicanand created a custom main.cpp10:26
Superpelicanit's on the mailinglist10:27
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Superpelicanwhich allows the use of setContext*10:27
Sfiet_Konstantinthat's my
Sfiet_Konstantini see10:27
Sfiet_KonstantinI think that the new one allows that10:28
Sfiet_Konstantincall createView10:28
Superpelicanoh was just going to ask :)10:28
Sfiet_Konstantinthen, set object10:28
Sfiet_Konstantinthen setView10:28
Sfiet_Konstantinthen showview10:28
Superpelicanthe sailors already said on the mailinglist that they were going to seperate the Sailfishapplication stuff10:28
Superpelicanso that's very nice10:28
Sfiet_Konstantinyes, and it is done, in a very nice way :)10:29
Superpelicannow I can just use the default stuff10:29
Sfiet_Konstantinthere is a porting step indeed10:29
Superpelicanwell I'll just copy your main.cpp then10:29
Superpelicanis it's licence GPLv3 compatible? :P10:29
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: create a new sailfish application10:30
Sfiet_Konstantinit is the default template10:30
Sfiet_Konstantinthat do not carry any license btw10:30
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Sfiet_Konstantinrecreate an application :)10:30
Superpelicantechnically it's illegal to use it then10:30
Sfiet_Konstantinit is a template :P10:30
Superpelicanat least that's what legal knowledge says ;10:31
Sfiet_Konstantinthen rewrite it10:31
Sfiet_Konstantinit should take ~2 min10:31
Sfiet_Konstantinyou can even strip out the desktop thing that (imo) are useless10:31
Superpelican= I'm not a lawyer ;)10:31
Superpelicanyeah my custom main.cpp was also desktopless10:32
Sfiet_Konstantindon't use custom use jolla one10:32
Sfiet_Konstantinand imo they don't care about the license10:32
Superpelicanyeah I'm not really worried10:32
Sfiet_Konstantinit is not really smething that should carry a strong license :P10:32
SuperpelicanSo I think I'm going to edit the files first in kwrite10:33
Superpelicanthe .qml ones10:33
Sfiet_Konstantinuse QtC10:33
Superpelicanand then create a QtC template10:33
Sfiet_Konstantinit is harder better faster stronger10:33
Superpelicanaka Sailfish10:33
Sfiet_Konstantinimo, create a new project10:33
Superpelicanand then add the files to the project10:33
Sfiet_Konstantinand move the files you have10:33
Sfiet_Konstantin(imo using anything that is not QtC or vim is rather pointless)10:34
Sfiet_Konstantin(QtC launches even faster than kwrite)10:34
Superpelicanthat possible too10:34
Superpelicanbut I just didn't want to import the .pro10:35
Superpelicanthat'll probably cause lots of problems10:35
Superpelicanand .pro.user10:35
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: rename old project, create new project and import file by file10:36
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:That was pretty much what I was going to do ;)10:37
Superpelicanexcept for edit the files first10:37
Superpelicanaka port them first to Qt510:37
Superpelicanand then import10:37
Sfiet_KonstantinI would port later10:37
Superpelicanbut it doesn't really matter10:37
Sfiet_Konstantinso you can already compile and see where it fails to do an effective port10:37
Superpelicanhmm, Silica components are still on 1.010:37
SuperpelicanI'd expected to see them on 1.110:38
* Superpelican is going to test the emulator and Mer SDK VM first now :)10:38
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: think about 1.0alpha110:39
Sfiet_Konstantinmore than 1.0 then 1.110:39
Superpelicanyay the VM works at least10:39
Superpelicannow testing the emulator10:39
Superpelicanit works10:39
Superpelicanbut it has an extremely weird pointer10:40
Sfiet_Konstantinit is a circle to aid you to aim at a point :)10:40
SuperpelicanI'm going to test the settings app :)10:40
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, actually I don't know why it is a circle :P10:40
phaeronto simulate a finger's touch area10:41
Superpelicanthe keyboard is set to Chinese virtualkeyboard by default10:41
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: no, it is settings for the chinese vkb10:42
Sfiet_Konstantintry the components gallery demo app10:42
Sfiet_Konstantinyo will see that it is chinese10:42
SuperpelicanWhat's the fuzzy pinyin switch?10:42
Sfiet_Konstantinit is an option specific to the chinese vkb10:43
Superpelicanhmm the settings app is crippled indeed10:43
Sfiet_Konstantinthere is a header on top saying chinese vkb10:43
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Superpelicanthe Xs for closing the apps are now at the bottom10:44
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SuperpelicanIt's a shame my screen doesn't have enough vertical pixels :(10:45
SuperpelicanQDeclarative boostable doesn't work anymore with the template app10:46
Superpelican"warning: qdeclarative-boostable not available; startup times will be slower"10:47
Stskeepsi think that it was missing in the target10:47
Stskeepslbt: ^10:47
lbthmm - will look10:48
Stskeepsmapplauncherd-devel probably10:48
lbtSuperpelican: you can 'scale' the emulator :)10:49
SuperpelicanI know10:49
Superpelicanbut that looks awful :(10:49
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lbtyou can get the right ratio and use it for usability and then full size for pixels10:50
lbtand hey - we don't make you buy a better laptop  :D10:50
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Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: use resized mode10:51
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:That does the same as scale10:52
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, that's what i meant, scale mode10:52
Sfiet_Konstantinnow you can resize your window10:52
Sfiet_Konstantinand fit it to a smaller screen10:52
Superpelicanif I change the width too10:53
Superpelicannow it looks a lot better10:53
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SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:Can you place setContext* stuff between createView and showView?10:56
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: call createview without argument10:57
Sfiet_Konstantinset context with the qquickview object returned by createviw10:58
Sfiet_Konstantinthen, use setview to set the file10:58
Sfiet_Konstantinbefore calling showview10:58
Superpelicanthat makes sense ;)10:58
Superpelicanand setContext* stuff between create and set?10:58
SuperpelicanAnd I should need to create a pointer?10:59
Superpelicananswering myself:no you don't11:00
SuperpelicansetView is a void :)11:00
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:What's the const QString & argument in setView?11:01
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Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: name of the qml file11:09
Sfiet_Konstantin"main.qml" ?11:09
Superpelicanah ok11:09
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SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:How do you add existing files to a project?11:12
Sfiet_Konstantinedit the .pro file11:12
Sfiet_Konstantinor right click on the folder representing the project, and select add existing files11:13
Juice__How can I emulate the pinch event on SailfishOS Emulator?11:13
Sfiet_KonstantinJuice__: you can't :(11:13
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lbtSfiet_Konstantin: Stskeeps: it looks like something was missed in the integration of the template11:16
Sfiet_Konstantinlbt: what do you mean ?11:16
Juice__Can I emulate or react to zoom effect (for example mouse scroll?)11:17
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Sfiet_KonstantinJuice__: don't think so :(11:18
aknightJuice__: it could be done with a custom touch plugin actually but it's not something available out-of-the-box11:20
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lbtSfiet_Konstantin: that should fix the problem11:21
Sfiet_Konstantinlbt: ok11:22
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SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:yay, editing the .pro worked, now I've at least got my logic class back11:28
Superpelicanthe only thing left to add is my .qmls11:28
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: what app are you writing11:31
Sfiet_Konstantinout of curiosity11:31
Superpelicannothing special11:32
Superpelicannote:It's the project page of the CLI version11:32
Superpelicanso no GUI11:32
Superpelicanbut it's the code my app is going to be based on11:33
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:It has a long history11:34
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SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin: should I bother you with? ;)11:34
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SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:Guess where I compiled the ARMv7 build?11:35
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: N9 :)11:37
SuperpelicanI could only dream that :(11:37
SuperpelicanEasyDebian @ N90011:37
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:Should I bother you with the long long history of my app?11:37
Superpelicans/that/of that11:38
Sfiet_Konstantindo whatever you want11:38
SuperpelicanWell it started as a 40 lines Python program11:38
Sfiet_Konstantinjust that i'm coding and sometimes might not react :P11:38
Superpelicanit was my first computer program11:38
SuperpelicanI must have it somewhere11:39
Superpelicanah here it is11:39
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin: :)11:40
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Superpelicanit was a program to practise the Pythagorean Theorem11:41
Superpelicanthen I decided to create a multiplication tables practising program based on it11:41
Superpelicanthen I stopped learning Python11:42
Sfiet_Konstantintoo bad :(11:42
Sfiet_Konstantinpython is good11:42
Superpelicanbecause I was obsessed with efficiency11:42
Superpelicans/was/am ;)11:42
Superpelicanand started learning C++11:42
Superpelicanso to learn C++11:42
SuperpelicanI ported my program to C++11:42
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:Then I rewrote it11:43
Superpelicanat first it relied on random numbers11:44
Superpelicanit asked you completely random questions11:44
Superpelicanso sometimes you'd get the same question11:44
Superpelicanand other questions were never asked11:44
Superpelicanso I decided to rewrite it11:45
Superpelicanbut you could practise only 1 table11:46
Superpelicanat a time11:46
Superpelicanso I decided to add all multiplication tables mixed mode11:46
Superpelicanit asks all multiplications tables up to 1011:46
Superpelicanin random order11:46
Superpelicanbut I wanted to learn how to use files in C++11:47
Superpelicanand expand my program :)11:47
SuperpelicanI also wanted to solve the hardcoded language problem11:47
Superpelicanso I "invented" my own multilingual system11:48
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Superpelicanit's simple and stupid11:49
Superpelicanevery line of text is saved in a simple .txt file11:49
Superpelicanupon startup the file is read line by line11:50
Superpelicanevery line is saved in a vector11:50
Superpelicanaka nice array11:50
Sfiet_Konstantinsounds good11:51
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:check the source :)11:51
Superpelicanfor example: " cout << langpack[7] << "\n" << langpack[8] << "'" << cpu_answer << "'" << "\n" << langpack[9] << "'" << usersanswer_int << "'" << "\n";"11:51
SuperpelicanI wrote to langpack files11:51
Superpelicandutch and english11:51
Superpelicanand placed them on one.ubuntu.com11:52
Superpelicana dropbox alternative11:52
Sfiet_Konstantinbetter port everything to Qt, you will get some nicer stuff11:52
Superpelicanand it downloads them with a dirty system("wget")11:52
Sfiet_Konstantin(localization platfomr ?)11:52
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: lol11:52
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin: :nod:11:52
Sfiet_KonstantinQNAM is your friend :)11:52
SuperpelicanStskeeps already told me yesterday11:53
Sfiet_Konstantinand better not use any dropbox like stuff11:53
Superpelicanwhy privacy?11:53
Sfiet_Konstantin(like hum ... include everything in your source)11:53
Sfiet_Konstantinpracticity considerations11:53
Sfiet_Konstantinwhy putting stuff on a dropbox, either setup a server or don't download11:53
Sfiet_Konstantinif you want contributions to these documents, ask for pull requests11:53
Morpog_PCalso lang files shouldn't be big11:53
Sfiet_Konstantinand maybe you can use qt's multilingual capability to get multilingual support11:54
Sfiet_KonstantinMorpog_PC: o/11:54
Superpelicanthey aren't: ;)11:54
Superpelicanplain text11:54
Superpelicanonly the necessary information11:54
Superpelicanno xml stuff11:54
Morpog_PCand you can use services like transifex to get people translate stuff for you11:54
Morpog_PCSuperpelican, thats why they should be included with app11:55
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Sfiet_Konstantinclearly, better think about using Qt's translation features11:55
SuperpelicanI'm going to use them11:55
SuperpelicanI've already played with them yesterday11:56
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SuperpelicanStskeeps recommended them11:56
SuperpelicanI have to port my app anyway11:56
Superpelicanit's not a simple convert11:56
SuperpelicanI need to replace all the std stuff11:56
Superpelicanwith qt11:56
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: yes11:56
Sfiet_Konstantinbetter write clean code :)11:56
Sfiet_Konstantinnot saying that std is not clean11:56
SuperpelicanI understand11:57
Sfiet_Konstantinbut that if you want to integrate code into Qt stuff, better us eQt11:57
SuperpelicanI agree11:57
Superpelicanhmm, I'd better start porting now ;)11:57
Superpelicanenough stories11:57
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: not hard11:57
Sfiet_Konstantinactually hyper easy11:57
Sfiet_Konstantinping me if you have questions11:57
Sfiet_Konstantinor anyone out there I guess they are here for help11:58
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SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:I already have a project plan :)
Superpelicanmade it in LO Draw12:03
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Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: there is something called signals and slots to do that :)12:04
Sfiet_Konstantinand please12:04
Sfiet_Konstantinno loop, the Qt event loop is here to handle that12:04
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:the arrows are signals ;)12:05
Superpelicanthey carry variables with them12:05
Superpelicanand no, I'm not really going to create a while or for loop12:05
Superpelicanjust if statements12:05
Sfiet_Konstantinpfewww :)12:05
Superpelicanto check if all questions are answered ;)12:06
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SuperpelicanI created the plan to aid my memory12:07
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Superpelicanin what's need to be done12:07
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:Yay, I also added the qmls now12:08
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:Is this channel being logged?12:10
Stskeepsthere's always somebody logging, but not publically logged12:10
Superpelicanthat's strange12:10
Superpelicanbut it isn't shown in the welcome message12:11
SuperpelicanI wanted to look something up that was said yesterday ;)12:12
Superpelicanah here it is:
Superpelicannumeric keyboard :)12:12
Superpelicanit was said yesterday that it works with Sailfish Silica too12:13
SuperpelicanThere was even said that Sailfish Silica components are build on QML Qt5 components :D12:13
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:Discussion here: + ctrl+f: "numeric" scrolls you to the relevant part12:14
* Superpelican tries if his app runs12:23
Superpelicanhmm almost12:23
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:error: cannot convert 'QScopedPointer<QQuickView> (*)()' to 'QQuickView*' for argument '1' to 'void Sailfish::setView(QQuickView*, const QString&)'12:28
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Superpelicansame error for line 1112:28
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Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: first, line 9 you likely forgot something like createView12:33
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Sfiet_Konstantinand use
SuperpelicanHow can that disappear? lol12:33
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican read the docs as well12:33
Sfiet_Konstantindoc of qscopedpointer12:33
SuperpelicanI used .data(), but that gave another error12:33
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Superpelicanwas just about going to do that ;)12:34
SuperpelicanJust realized12:34
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Superpelican"Using Wayland-EGL" :)12:36
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:"file:///usr/share/Quick2Clamshell/main.qml: File not found "12:37
Superpelicanit is in my .pro12:37
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: recompile, use rsync deployment system12:37
Sfiet_Konstantin+ you need to deploy those files12:37
aknightqml.files += main.qml12:37
Sfiet_Konstantinqml.files += main.qml and it fails ?12:38
Sfiet_Konstantinmind sshing into your simulator, and search for /usr/share/...12:38
Sfiet_Konstantinusing what to deploy ?12:38
Sfiet_Konstantinrpm or rsync ?12:38
Superpelicaneh honestly don't know12:39
Superpelicanhow do you choose?12:39
SuperpelicanI know what rpms and rsync are12:39
Superpelicanbut how do you choose between them?12:39
Superpelicanhmm I think I found it12:40
Superpelicanit's set to "Deploy by copying binaries"12:40
Superpelicanso that should be rsync12:40
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin, aknight:This is my current .pro:
Sfiet_Konstantincheck on the project tab12:43
Sfiet_Konstantinon the left12:43
Sfiet_Konstantinand then the execute tab12:43
Sfiet_Konstantinselect resync12:43
Sfiet_Konstantinhum remove the qml.files += main.qml12:44
Sfiet_Konstantindn't think it is even useful12:44
Superpelicanit's set to rsync12:44
aknighti think the problem is that the qml files are in rpm/*12:44
aknightsorry nvm12:44
aknightmisread that12:44
Sfiet_Konstantinrecompile ?12:44
Sfiet_Konstantinlike clean all12:45
Sfiet_Konstantinand then execute qmake12:45
Sfiet_Konstantinand then compile12:45
Sfiet_Konstantin(I'm supposing it is a macro problem)12:45
aknightwell qml.files is added to INSTALLS12:45
aknightand that tells qtcreator to add it to the deployment list12:45
aknightso to refresh that you either need to modify the value of INSTALLS or restart qtc12:46
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SuperpelicanI'll just remove something12:46
Superpelicanand add it again12:46
aknightINSTALLS is set in sailfishapplication.pri12:47
Superpelican"INSTALLS += target qml desktop"12:47
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Superpelicanaknight, Sfiet_Konstantin:it didn't work12:48
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SuperpelicanI added a space12:48
Superpelicanafter desktop12:48
aknightcan you show the output from the compile pane?12:48
Superpelicanand it parsed it12:48
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Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: compile panel12:49
aknightthat's the application output12:49
Sfiet_Konstantinnot execution :)12:49
SuperpelicanDoes it copy that?12:51
Superpelicanif it does12:51
Superpelicanthan the toplevel dir is copied12:51
Superpelicanso main.qml (which is in it) should be copied too12:51
aknighti don't see main.qml12:51
aknightthe others are explicitly copied12:51
Superpelicanthat's true12:51
aknightyou can try something like:12:53
aknightmain.path = $$DEPLOYMENT_PATH12:53
aknightmain.files = main.qml12:53
aknightINSTALLS += main12:53
SuperpelicanInteresting detail: "14:47:45: The process "$HOME/.config/SailfishAlpha/mer-sdk-tools/MerSDK/SailfishOS-i486-x86/deploy" exited normally."12:53
Superpelicanand where should I put that, in .pri or in the .pro ?12:53 is fine12:53
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aknightjust fyi, if main.qml isn't really in your project folder, it won't get deployed ;)12:54
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SuperpelicanIt is in the toplevel project dir12:55
Superpelicanaknight:Did you check the .pro I posted?12:55
aknightSuperpelican: yes12:55
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SuperpelicanSo this "qml.files = *.qml pages cover main.qml" really is ok?12:55
aknighti think so12:56
aknightit should be :)12:56
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Superpelicansame error again12:58
Superpelicanlunch bbl12:58
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Sfiet_Konstantinwb ericcc__ !13:30
Sfiet_Konstantinwelcome back :)13:31
Superpelicanaknight, Sfiet_Konstantin:It again didn't copy/deploy main.qml13:31
aknightSuperpelican: what happens if you change the name of the file?13:32
aknightor move it to a subdirectory13:32
Superpelicanyou mean main.qml -> *.qml ?13:32
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: does it deploy files in cover / pages ?13:32
Superpelicancover and pages are deployed according to application output13:32
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: do you have main.qml in the root folder of your project13:32
Superpelicans/application output pane/compile output pane13:32
Sfiet_Konstantinif you shift click on the main.qml, does it open it ?13:33
Sfiet_Konstantinin the same folder than *.pro13:33
Superpelicanthan == as?13:33
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Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: as13:33
Sfiet_KonstantinI'm french13:33
Sfiet_Konstantinmy english is bad :P13:34
SuperpelicanI know13:34
aknightnot that bad13:34
aknighttry changing the name of the file and updating the pro, or better yet moving the file to a subdir13:34
Sfiet_Konstantinaknight: bad enough :P13:34
Superpelicanif("than" == "as"){answer = "yes"}13:34
Sfiet_Konstantinmind pasting the pro again ?13:35
Sfiet_Konstantintry with a new project ?13:35
Sfiet_Konstantinto see if the main got deployed ?13:35
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: maybe you should remove the main.path, main.files13:36
Sfiet_Konstantinas wellas removing main.qml from the qml.files list13:36
Sni_what could be solution for that qt doesn't upload added scriptfiles? I have downloaded sailfish calculator and its original scriptfiles are uploaded but if i add one it isn't. If I add .js scriptfile to fresh project will not upload either.13:37
Sfiet_Konstantinjust keep *.qml13:37
Sfiet_KonstantinSni_: did you add that script file to the qml.files list ?13:37
aknighti was testing this earlier and got the impression that unless you mess with INSTALLS, it doesn't refresh13:37
aknightbut also try running qmake again, as well as rebuilding the project13:38
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Sni_Sfiet_Konstantin: maybe not because i can't figure what qml files list is13:38
aknightSni_: in your .pro file13:39
Sfiet_Konstantinaknight: sometimes I git clean -dfx to be sure to kill everthing that might not be refreshed13:39
aknightgood point (assuming you have a git project)13:39
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Sni_that was the solution. I looked at .pro files but in wrong place at first13:40
Superpelicanstill doesn't work13:40
aknightsome dragons be on yer machine13:40
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: paste new pro ?13:41
SuperpelicanI have already13:41
Sfiet_Konstantinwe should call the QML exorcist aknight13:41
Sfiet_Konstantinaknight: well, the qmake exorcist13:41
SuperpelicanI've now just removed the main stuff13:41
Superpelicanas you requested13:41
Superpelicanand removed the main.qml13:41
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: removed the main.qml in qml.files as well ?13:41
Sfiet_Konstantintry this then13:42
Sfiet_Konstantinqml.files = *.qml pages/*.qml cover/*.qml13:42
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: mind sharing a github ?13:42
Sfiet_Konstantinsince it is an oss project13:42
Sfiet_KonstantinI want to take a look personnaly13:42
Superpelicaneh I don't have GitHub13:42
Superpelicanbut I was planning on13:42
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: bitbucket ?13:42
Sfiet_Konstantinany git repo ?13:43
Sfiet_Konstantineven a tarball ?13:43
Superpelicann ohg13:43
Superpelicanno hg13:43
Sfiet_Konstantinjust show me the sources13:43
Superpelicanbut I can create a tarball13:43
Sfiet_Konstantinhg :/, I don't know hg sadly13:43
Sfiet_Konstantinbut if I ca get the sources, it should be ok13:43
Superpelicanoh it's extremely easy13:43
Superpelicanhg clone13:43
Superpelicanand if you want, you can download the hg repo on bitbucket13:44
Superpelicanas a tarball or .zip too iirc13:44
SuperpelicanI was planning to create a Bitbucket repo for it anyway13:44
Superpelicangive me a sec13:44
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ericcc__send it  to  email13:49
Superpelicanok this is going to take "little" bit longer13:49
SuperpelicanI haven't setup hg yet13:50
Superpelicanand forgot how to do it13:50
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: go grab a git13:50
Sfiet_Konstantingit init13:50
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Sfiet_Konstantingit add *.cpp *.qml *.h *.pro13:51
Sfiet_Konstantingit add cover/*.qml pages/*.qml13:51
Sfiet_Konstantingit add logic/*.cpp logic/*.h13:51
ericcc__which  code?13:52
Superpelicanyay I've pushed it to Bitbucket13:53
Superpelicanit's a Mercurial though13:53
Sfiet_Konstantinjust installed mercurial13:53
Sfiet_Konstantinlink ?13:53
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SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin: "sudo yum install hg" +
Sfiet_Konstantinyep, already done :)13:53
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Superpelicanit pushed my .pro.user13:54
Superpelicanit should've ignored it ...13:54
Superpelican anyway13:54
Superpelicanit even pushed kwrite's swp files13:55
SuperpelicanI'll have to read up again on .hgignore13:55
Yanieldid you by chance add . or *13:55
SuperpelicanYaniel:To what?13:56
Superpelicanin the .hgignore?13:56
Yaniel`hg add *`13:56
Superpelicanhg addremove13:56
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Sfiet_Konstantinmain file seems to deployed here14:02
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: well, you pushed binary files :(14:02
Sfiet_Konstantinbut cannot find the file14:02
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Superpelicanwhich file?14:02
Superpelicanyep it pushed *everything*14:02
SuperpelicanI don't understand .hgignore14:02
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Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: bug found14:06
Sfiet_Konstantinin Jolla's template :O14:06
SuperpelicanStskeeps, lbt: ^^14:06
Sfiet_Konstantinpaste that into your sailfishapplication.cpp code14:07
Sfiet_KonstantinWill post in ML soon14:07
SuperpelicanWhat's the bug?14:07
Sfiet_Konstantinusing createView and then setView do not provide the ability to search qml files that are installed using "direct deployment"14:12
SuperpelicanI just ran diff on it :)14:14
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin: ;)14:15
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: I even sent a better one on the ML14:15
SuperpelicanSo it's .startWith("/opt/sdk")?14:15
Sfiet_Konstantinwhen you rsync14:15
Superpelicanthat just was my first usage of diff :O14:16
Sfiet_Konstantinthe one on ML inimizes code redundancy14:16
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:Now I'm going to try to patch my sailfishapplication.cp with patch14:19
SuperpelicanBTW I just received the email14:20
Sfiet_Konstantinhave fun14:20
* lbt looks14:20
Sfiet_Konstantinlbt: the one in the mail is better14:21
lbtah - I think this is because QtC is deploying based on project name, not TARGET14:22
Superpelicanbad patch cmd14:22
Superpelicanyour insulting the poor sailors14:22
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:"patch: **** Only garbage was found in the patch input."14:22
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: well, I don't know patch either14:23
SuperpelicanI accidently swapped the patch file for the original14:23
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Superpelicanpatch original_file patch_file14:23
SuperpelicanI did patch patch_file original_file14:23
SuperpelicanAnd now it calls sailfishapplication.cpp garbage lol14:23
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ericccSfiet_Konstantin: it show :-1: 错误:Project is outside of shared home 'C:\Users\tom' and shared src ''.14:27
ericccSfiet_Konstantin:  how to do14:27
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Sfiet_Konstantinericcc: put it inside home :D ?14:28
Superpelicanericcc:upon installation it asked you to specify a path14:28
Stskeepsketil_k: did my mail help explain the versions a bit?14:28
Superpelicanin case you want your projects outside of the home dir14:29
Superpelicanso you should've specified a path then :(14:29
ericccSfiet_Konstantin:   i  had  put  the  code  in  d:/qt  why  it  ask me  c:\user\tom14:29
ericccand  i  change the C:\Users\tom\AppData\Roaming\SailfishAlpha\qtcreator\mersdk.xml14:29
Sfiet_Konstantinericcc: because of the build system14:29
Sfiet_Konstantinericcc: don't change that14:30
Sfiet_Konstantinnot a good idea14:30
Sfiet_Konstantinericcc, better ping lbt, I don't know windows specificities14:30
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:maybe you can edit a file in ~/SailfishOS after installation14:31
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:To add the path14:31
Sfiet_Konstantinnot an expert of windows though14:31
Superpelicanhmm maybe InstallationLog.txt can help14:32
Superpelicanme neither14:32
ericccSuperpelican: you code  in windwos too?14:32
ketil_kStskeeps: Yes sure, I am still confused though . /usr/lib/ says it is Qt5.1.0 while says it use a patched 5.014:32
lbtericcc: we should be able to fix this :)14:34
lbtericcc: when you did the install it asked you about any other project areas?14:34
lbtyou could have put d:\qt at that point14:34
lbtwe can change it now though14:35
ericccwhere  can i  change the home14:35
ericccso how    can i do?14:35
lbtok - this needs a few steps14:35
ericccchange  mersdk.xml?14:35
lbtwe're going to shutdown the build engine VM14:36
lbtthen use virtualbox to change the shared folder14:36
ericccok   i   trum off  the  vm14:36
lbtthen start it up again14:36
ericccbut  i  change the  mersdk.xml14:36
Superpelicanoh that's not too difficult14:36
lbtericcc: change it back :)14:36
ericcci  had   change tehe  mersdk.xmlit  don` mater?14:37
ericccoh   mersdk.xml  i  cant   remnbere14:37
ericccnow   i   shutdonw vm ,wait14:37
Superpelicanericcc:Do you mean mersdk.vbox?14:37
ericccnot   i  mean  mersdk.xml14:38
ericccSharedHome i forger it14:38
lbtericcc: worst case - uninstall, reinstall :)14:39
Superpelicanmersdk.xml contains a <sharedhome> entry14:39
ericccok  i  go to find it14:39
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ericccand  then?14:40
Superpelicandisclaimer:I don't nearly know as much as lbt14:40
Superpelicanand I haven't exactly tested it so14:40
Superpelican...better listen to lbt instead14:40
lbtericcc: so open virtualbox tool14:41
ericccgo on14:41
Uninstallyeah, uninstall as nick has some cons14:41
lbteric select the settings for the MerSDK VM14:42
lbtgo to shared folders14:42
lbtpick the 'src1' entry14:42
lbtchange the path to D:\qt (make sure the name is still src1)14:42
ericccok  finish14:43
lbtrestart QtCreator14:44
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SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin, lbt:previous error fixed, even more new ones appear :(14:46
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: like ?14:46
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Superpelicanhuh where's my main.qml?14:47
SuperpelicanQtC doesn't show it anymore14:48
Superpelicanoh of course14:48
SuperpelicanI know14:48
lbtericcc: if you make a project in d:\qt that should now worl14:48
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:remember when you requested me to remove main.qml form qml.files?14:48
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:But it turned out to not be the cause14:49
SuperpelicanWell I haven't added it back ;)14:49
Superpelicanthat must be it14:49
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: add main.qml in OTHER_FILES14:49
SuperpelicanWhy not in qml.files ?14:50
Superpelicanhmmm now my main.qml is back again14:50
Superpelican(after I added it to qml.files)14:50
Superpelicanbut still the same stream of errors14:51
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:They must be caused by your fix14:51
SuperpelicanThey weren't there before :(14:51
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SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:Are you sure that you only added the .startWith("/opt/sdk")?14:53
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Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: yep15:00
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: what is the stream of errors ?15:00
Superpelicancheck paste link above15:00
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Sfiet_Konstantinline 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 1015:00
Sfiet_Konstantinare ok15:00
Sfiet_Konstantin11, 12, 14 15 are ok15:01
Sfiet_Konstantinthat leavs line 13 as wrong15:01
Sfiet_Konstantinnormal, because in the new Silica, we use Theme instead of theme15:01
Superpelicanso capital T?15:01
Superpelican T :)15:02
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: yes15:03
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: are you kidding me :P15:03
Superpelicanyou never no15:03
SuperpelicanMy English still has gaps too15:03
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Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: well, I sometimes no actually15:03
Sfiet_Konstantinsometimes yes also15:03
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:I also remember seeing "import Sailfish.Silica 1.0.theme" in a .qml15:05
Superpelicanin the template15:05
Superpelicanbut it's gone now15:05
SuperpelicanI can't remember removing it though15:06
Sfiet_Konstantinit is ok15:08
Sfiet_Konstantinno need to import Saifish.Silica.Theme15:08
Superpelicanok thanks15:08
SuperpelicanJust ran find & replace on theme -> Theme :)15:10
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: yes15:10
Superpelicansame errors again15:11
Superpelicanmy app does actually run15:14
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: they are not errors I said15:14
Sfiet_Konstantinthese are warnings15:14
Sfiet_Konstantinyes your app should run15:14
Superpelicanthe sailfish keyboard can now enter special characters15:15
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:Just like on Android15:15
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:You long press a key15:15
Superpelicanand slide your finger until your above the special character15:15
Superpelicanand then let go15:15
Superpelicanprevious release didn't have it15:15
faenilcool :)15:16
Superpelicanso you can now for example enter the french characters15:16
Superpelicané è ë15:16
Superpelicanand the euro sign :)15:16
SuperpelicanI really hoped they would add it15:17
SuperpelicanI liked the way it was done in Android15:17
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Superpelicanmaybe even easier and faster than on the PC15:17
SuperpelicanYaniel:How do you enter special characters then?15:18
SuperpelicanNo compose key?15:18
Yanieldead keys15:18
Yanielor compose key15:18
SuperpelicanI have a EN_US keyboard setup15:18
Yanielor dedicated keys15:18
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Yanielwell, compose/altgr15:19
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SuperpelicanI have the compose key assigned to the Super key15:19
YanielI don't actually have a compose key15:19
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* Superpelican whispers to Yaniel and Sfiet_Konstantin: "No, don't ever call it the Windows key!"15:20
SuperpelicanI still have to buy a sticker to cover that awful icon15:20
Yanielit is called mod415:20
Sfiet_KonstantinI find the windows logo ok15:20
Sfiet_Konstantinit is not bad15:20
Sfiet_Konstantinwell, the OS that this logo represents is really bad though15:21
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SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:It says .openDialog() is deprecated15:22
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: do what it says15:23
Sfiet_Konstantinwhen something is saying "do that", better listen to it ...15:24
Superpelicando I only have to replace openDialog() with push()15:24
Superpelicanor will the argument requirements change too?15:24
Sfiet_Konstantinnothing changes15:24
Sfiet_Konstantincheck doc if you are unsure15:25
Sfiet_KonstantinSailfish docs, just like Qt docs, are pretty good15:25
SuperpelicanBut why does it complain that Wayland isn't support?15:25
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: these are debug warnings15:25
Sfiet_Konstantinthey are not saying: you, dev, do that !15:26
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SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:Was "parent" renamed to "Parent" too?15:29
Sfiet_Konstantinwhat's the problem ?15:29
Sfiet_Konstantinparent is inside QML core language15:29
Superpelican"TypeError: Result of expression is not an object"15:30
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: send me the whole error15:30
Sfiet_Konstantinand maybe paste the code as well for me to understad15:30
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SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:The complete error stream (minus the warnings), give me another sec ;) I'll push the changeset to Bitbucket so you can check the code there15:36
Superpelicaninstead of spamming paste.kde.org15:36
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Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: pastes are made for that15:37
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SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:I've updated the Bitbucket repo15:39
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Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: error name ?15:41
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: well trace ?15:41
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SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin: ?15:42
SuperpelicanI've pasted the errors15:42
Sfiet_Konstantinwhere ?15:42
Superpelicanor didn't I15:42
Superpelicanforgot to paste the link15:42
SuperpelicanI understand the qstr part15:43
SuperpelicanI'll probably have to include something15:43
Superpelicanor "import" in QML/JS/Python style15:43
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: dialog do not have parent15:43
Sfiet_KonstantinI4m saying bullshit15:44
Sfiet_Konstantinnot qstr Superpelican15:44
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Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: remove line 9 1015:44
Sfiet_Konstantinparent do not exist for dialog15:44
Superpelicanwhat's l4m?15:44
Sfiet_Konstantin(am not saying bullshit actualy)15:44
Sfiet_Konstantin4 = '15:44
Sfiet_KonstantinI'm :D15:45
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: remove line 9, 10 in EnterMultiplicationTableDialog.qml15:45
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SuperpelicanI understand15:45
Sfiet_Konstantinand rename qstr to qsTr15:45
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SuperpelicanI understand15:45
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Superpelicanthe *dialog.qml file can be kind of compared to a C++ class15:46
Superpelicanso you have to create an instance of it15:46
Superpelicanotherwise there *is no* parent15:46
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: actually I don't really know15:47
Superpelicanstrange it didn't threw errors in Qt4.815:47
Sfiet_Konstantinin general QML 2 is stricter15:47
Superpelicanok, didn't know that15:48
Superpelicannow it only throws the qstr error15:48
Superpelicanbut that's because I haven't fixed that yet15:48
SuperpelicanAnd now there are no errors left15:49
Superpelicanyay the numeric keyboard thing works!15:50
Superpelicanthat makes my app *a lot* better15:50
Superpelicannow that it has been ported15:51
Morpog_now port to nemo :)15:51
SuperpelicanI can finally continue development :D15:52
Superpelicanand then port it to nemo15:52
Superpelicanbut I think I'm going to port Nemo to my tablet first15:52
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Morpog_nexus 7?15:52
Superpelicancheap Android tablet15:52
Morpog_damn, lol15:52
SuperpelicanI've already got my custom Mer compatible kernel running15:53
Superpelicanwith some vague rootfs15:53
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: better wait nemo wl15:53
Superpelicanwith ash15:53
Morpog_well, now you got to port to wayland too15:53
Superpelicanyeah but I haven't reached any GUI15:53
SuperpelicanBut at least I can run "echo "Hello World!"" on it! :D15:54
Superpelicanand Android still works!15:54
Superpelicanso I'll have a nice dual boot15:54
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: will do a lot of work on nemo WL on my iconia i think15:55
Morpog_x86 is like cheating :)15:55
Superpelicanthe iconia is a pretty nice tablet15:55
Superpelicanw500 wasn't it?15:56
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Sfiet_Konstantinit might be cheating15:58
Sfiet_Konstantinit is still work for WL15:58
Sfiet_KonstantinI intend to use it for glacier15:58
Sfiet_Konstantinespecially that it will be easy to compile on it => faster dev15:59
Superpelicanit may be cheating, but indeed it's a nice thing to ahve15:59
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Sfiet_Konstantinit is crap16:00
Sfiet_Konstantinit is crap16:00
Sfiet_Konstantinnice dev device but crap16:01
Superpelicanit doesn't look like crap16:01
Superpelicanit looks very sturdy16:02
Superpelican1280x800 (WXGA) nice screenk16:03
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Sfiet_Konstantincrap GPU16:03
Sfiet_Konstantincrap CPU16:03
Sfiet_Konstantincrap battery16:03
Sfiet_Konstantinand > 1KG16:03
Superpelicanit's a ATI GPU16:03
Superpelicanit can't be that bad16:03
Superpelicannetbook AMD GPU's are pretty fast16:03
Sfiet_Konstantinnot enough to get smooth 60FPS for the 1280x800 pix16:03
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Sfiet_Konstantinit is not crap if you tear it in pieces16:03
Sfiet_Konstantinthe CPU is decent16:04
Sfiet_Konstantinthe GPU is nice16:04
Sfiet_Konstantinbut well, Acer have done a really strange combinaison16:04
Sfiet_Konstantinscreen with too much pix16:04
Superpelicantoo much pixels?16:04
Superpelicandoes that even exist?16:04
Sfiet_Konstantinand an os that do not really manage touchscreens well16:04
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: for the GPU16:04
Sfiet_Konstantin(even with proprietary deviers under windows it is laggy)16:04
SuperpelicanBut you don't actually use W7 on it, do yyou?16:04
Sfiet_Konstantinwith OSS drivers, and Sailfish, it was good, but not 60FPS16:05
Superpelicanwho cares?16:05
Superpelicanit's faster than the N90016:05
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: I care. If you have 59FPS, that's just not good16:05
Sfiet_Konstantinand I'm not the only one16:05
Sfiet_Konstantinsmoothness over perfs16:06
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yuntaSfiet_Konstantin: you're right, smoothness over perfs, so 59fps with all frames rendered in time (no jitter) is very good :P16:08
Superpelicanyunta +116:11
Sfiet_Konstantinyunta: yep16:11
Sfiet_Konstantinrender in time is often quite important16:12
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SuperpelicanI really cannot understand how the w500 can be crappy16:13
Superpelicanit has a SSD, 2GB of RAM, probably a nice GPU16:13
Superpelicanand a high res screen16:13
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:Have you owned a N900?16:14
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Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: no but an N950 yes16:15
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: well, it is crappy compared to an ipad or a N716:15
Superpelicanthen you don't know the definition of lag16:15
Sfiet_Konstantinof cause, compared to a N9 / N900 it is really awesome16:15
Superpelicanan iPad blahaha16:15
Superpelicanan iPad has a dual core SoC16:15
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: well, iPad is light and smooth16:15
Superpelicanyou can't compare it16:16
Sfiet_Konstantinand nice battery life16:16
Sfiet_Konstantini compare tablets, so i say that w500 is a crappy tablet16:16
Superpelicana N7 has a quad core16:16
Superpelicanthat's true maybe16:16
Superpelicanbut who cares if it's a crappy tablet16:16
Superpelicanif it runs fine16:16
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: it runs no fine if you compare it to the ipad16:17
Sfiet_Konstantinthe goal is to match the ipad16:17
SuperpelicanHave you owned a low-end Android?16:17
Sfiet_Konstantinthat's an ambitious goal16:17
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: yes, the HTC dream16:17
SuperpelicanWhen did you last use it?16:18
Sfiet_Konstantinlike 1 year ago :)16:18
Sfiet_Konstantinwhen I got the N916:18
Superpelicantoo long16:18
Sfiet_KonstantinI also used a GS216:18
Superpelicanthen you're already accustomed to a smooth experience16:18
Sfiet_Konstantinthat's the goal16:18
Sfiet_Konstantinhow can you expect challenging these giants without challenging their strength16:18
SuperpelicanAre N9s laggy?16:18
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: yes16:18
SuperpelicanThey always look so extremely nice and smooth in videos16:19
Sfiet_Konstantinlike apps not responding sometimes etc16:19
Sfiet_Konstantinyou never saw a 1 year old N916:19
Superpelicanso much better than a N90016:19
Superpelicanbut they aren't actually?16:19
Sfiet_Konstantinthey are16:19
Morpog_n9 is alot of times lag free, but as soon it has some background IO, it's lag hell16:19
Sfiet_Konstantinbut they are old16:19
Sfiet_Konstantinactually it is because of the singlecore16:20
Sfiet_Konstantindual core phones with linux are so much better16:20
Sfiet_Konstantinnot with android16:20
Sfiet_Konstantinbecause I don't know how they can create lag just in render16:20
Morpog_Sfiet_Konstantin, I think it's because of slow emmc with high latency when swapping stuff16:21
Superpelicandoes a N9 even need to swap?16:21
Superpelicanwith 1GB RAM16:21
Sfiet_KonstantinMorpog_: that Android lag in render ? :D16:21
Morpog_Sfiet_Konstantin, no in N916:22
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Sfiet_KonstantinMorpog_: hum ?16:22
Sfiet_KonstantinIMO it is just that the render thread do not have all there sources to do the render in time16:22
Sfiet_Konstantinthat's all16:22
Morpog_well, low IO could be the source for that :)16:23
Sfiet_Konstantinthat's the idea16:23
Sfiet_Konstantindidn't understand the swapping stuff though16:23
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Morpog_n9 buffers alot of stuff, when you close an app, it puts that stuff in swap, doesn't it?16:24
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Sfiet_KonstantinMorpog_: not sure that there is a swap in n916:24
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:Were you @ Jolla Love Day?16:25
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: yes16:26
Sfiet_KonstantinI'm at Jolla now16:26
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:So you've tried a Jolla?16:26
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: yes16:26
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:Are they smoother than the emulator?16:26
Superpelicanthe emulator feels a bit laggy when switching page in an app16:27
Morpog_Sfiet_Konstantin, it has. Try cat /proc/swaps16:27
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: the emulator is laggy. it is an emulator16:27
Sfiet_KonstantinMorpog_: ok, trust you :)16:27
Stskeepsemulator will be faster, too16:27
Morpog_hmm, but i see it's a ram swap, how strange is that16:28
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Morpog_so ram in theory isn't 1GB at N916:28
Morpog_more like 768MB16:29
yuntait's compressed16:29
yuntaram swap that is16:29
Morpog_but isn't it a bit counterproductive to put swap in ram?16:30
Morpog_or was the emmc too slow?16:30
Morpog_Superpelican, edit the simulator VM to use 4 CPU*s and it feels less laggy16:31
SuperpelicanMorpog_:but the settings seem read-only16:32
Superpelicanevery things gray16:32
Morpog_you need to stop the VM to edit16:32
yuntaMorpog_: progs memory is usually highly compressible, so that ram-swap practically increases memory at much less cost than emmc16:33
Morpog_yunta, and when it's compressed, it uses extra cpu cycles for compression and decompression....16:33
Superpelicanshouldn't I enable 3D acceleration too?16:33
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SuperpelicanSo it's depended on what is the bottleneck: the cpu or the emmc16:33
Morpog_Superpelican, that won't work16:33
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Morpog_well, if N9 had a dualcore iwouldn't see a problem in that extra cpu cycles16:34
Morpog_stskeeps, so next sdk update makes emulator faster?16:38
StskeepsMorpog_: yeah, definately.. we found some optimization points16:38
Morpog_sounds great, although it already runs great here at my HW16:39
SuperpelicanMorpog_:What hw? Core i3-2310M dual core with hyperthreading @ 2,1 GHz here16:39
Morpog_Core i5-2550k at 4,5Ghz (4 cores without hyperthreading)16:40
SuperpelicanI think that *might* explain it16:40
Morpog_and 16GB ram :)16:40
Superpelican:O :O :O16:41
Superpelicanmake that 4 times less here16:41
SuperpelicanBut my emulator it running again16:41
Superpelicanso thanks for the advice16:41
SuperpelicanI've given it the ability to use 4 cores16:41
Superpelicanwhich I don't really have16:41
Superpelicanbut with hyperthreading16:42
AardSuperpelican: I'd be careful with that, for vm use treating one of the virtual cpus from ht as normal core will make things slower, not faster16:42
yuntaMorpog_: yes, it's just a tradeoff... you loose 256MB of fast memory for slower ~512MB of ram-swap. emmc swap would be *much* slower. and slow ram-swap is better than oom.16:43
SuperpelicanMorpog_:It worked16:43
Superpelicanit's truly faster16:43
Morpog_well superpelican, thats more than 2 years old HW16:43
Morpog_I got16:43
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Superpelicanwell our CPUs are from the same gen16:43
Morpog_yunta, but are there lots of situations where the 1GB ram wouldn't have been enough?16:44
Morpog_Superpelican, thats why I prefer desktop PCs.16:46
Superpelicanyou can upgrade the hw16:46
Morpog_and it's cheaper16:46
Morpog_for same performance16:46
SuperpelicanI haven't seen desktop pcs being cheaper16:47
Morpog_but you can of course get much higher performance than on a laptop ;)16:47
yuntaMorpog_: not if you reboot your phone often. but software tends to be leaky. so, this ram-swap increases stability of long-on N9s in practice.16:47
Superpelicanand you need a monitor too16:47
Superpelicanat least not here in the Netherlands16:47
Morpog_Superpelican, i can have my monitor for 2 or 3 PC's16:48
Superpelicanbut if you buy a desktop for the first time16:48
Superpelicanyou won't have that advantage16:48
Morpog_on a laptop you throw away your monitor with every device :)16:48
SuperpelicanI'm not against desktop pc16:49
Superpelicanbut just saying16:49
Morpog_plus i can relax on 27" at 1920x1200 :)16:49
SuperpelicanI have to scale my Sailfish emulator16:49
Superpelican1333*768 here16:49
Morpog_next display I get will have at least 2560x144016:49
Morpog_I dream of that 30" 4k monitor :)16:50
Superpelicanmight want to dream of a bigger room too then16:50
Morpog_3840 x 2160 :D16:50
SuperpelicanI assume it's 31,5 inch?16:51
Morpog_so much windows to place on such big space :)16:51
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:pageStack.push() doesn't work16:53
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:on 1 page it does work, on the other it doesn't16:53
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: :/16:53
SuperpelicanI literally did ctrl+c + ctrl+v16:54
Superpelicanto copy the line from the working page to the other page16:54
Superpelicanand it doesn't throw an error16:54
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:I'll update the repo, so you can have a look16:55
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:I've updated the repo, so you can a look now :)16:57
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Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: I'm coding now16:57
Sfiet_Konstantinbetter try to solve it yourself ? :)16:57
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Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: better ?17:15
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Sfiet_Konstantinor still not working ?17:15
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Juice__Can you others debug using Sailfish emulator?21:33
Juice__I get: "QML Debugger: Ignoring "-qmljsdebugger=port:10001,block". Remote debugger plugin has not been found."21:33
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lbt_Juice__: qml debugging stuff22:16
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