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| csolisr | Hello there | 00:06 |
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| csolisr | I downloaded the SDK yesterday | 00:06 |
| csolisr | But, I found no programs installed (or installable) | 00:06 |
| csolisr | I was planning to test the apps, but it seems that they haven't been released yet | 00:07 |
| csolisr | I suppose that those aren't public yet, are they? | 00:07 |
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| piee | morning | 04:23 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 04:35 |
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| ericcc_ | hi the ComboBox or dockedpanel can use in new sdk? | 05:10 |
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| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:I think I now why pageStack.push() doesn't work on one page and does on the other! :) | 09:32 |
| Superpelican | s/now/know | 09:32 |
| Superpelican | I think I forgot to do "import "pages"" | 09:32 |
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| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:I'm going to try it now ;) | 09:32 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 09:34 |
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| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:It crossed my mind when I woke up this morning :D | 09:39 |
| Superpelican | yay the VMs are running now | 09:40 |
| Superpelican | I can run the app | 09:40 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:Just checked the page on which pageStack.push() does work | 09:41 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 09:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hehe | 09:42 |
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| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin: :( But it doesn't import "pages" | 09:42 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:I've mistaken it for main.qml | 09:42 |
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| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:Can you check the code, it's on Bitbucket | 09:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | what do you mean it do not import pages | 09:43 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:Well I've a page that declares a dialog | 09:43 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:And I wrongly recalled that StartPage.qml imports "pages" | 09:44 |
| Superpelican | but it doesn't | 09:44 |
| Superpelican | I've mistaken it for main.qml | 09:44 |
| Superpelican | which does do "import "pages"" | 09:44 |
| Superpelican | StartPage.qml is my initialPage | 09:44 |
| Superpelican | pageStack.push() does work on StartPage.qml | 09:45 |
| Superpelican | but doesn't work on EnterMultiplicationTableDialog.qml | 09:45 |
| Superpelican | you can check the code on bitbucket | 09:45 |
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| Superpelican | http://bitbucket.org/Superpelican/quick_clamshell/src/ | 09:45 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:I think I know why! | 09:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | why ? | 09:48 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:StartPage.qml's root object is Page{} | 09:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sorr I'm coding now :) | 09:48 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:EnterMultiplicationTableDialog.qml's root object is Dialog{} | 09:48 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:Maybe it doesn't have access to the pageStack | 09:49 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | it should work | 09:49 |
| Superpelican | hmm putting the Dialog{} in a Page{} doesn't work | 09:50 |
| Superpelican | now I get an empty page | 09:50 |
| Superpelican | instead of the dialog | 09:50 |
| Superpelican | what's also interesting to note | 09:51 |
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| Superpelican | is that "pageStack.push()" is printed in italics and is blue | 09:53 |
| Superpelican | on the page it works | 09:53 |
| Superpelican | and on the other page, it's just normal | 09:54 |
| Superpelican | gray | 09:54 |
| Superpelican | Well I'm going to check the Silica Reference again | 09:58 |
| Superpelican | maybe that helps | 09:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: that's not a problem | 10:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | because in dynamically reated instances, QtC have troubles recognizing the parent components | 10:04 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:You mean pageStack.push() isn't printed in italics? | 10:05 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:I'm now checking what's the value of canAccept | 10:05 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:canAccept is true | 10:06 |
| Superpelican | so that's not a problem either | 10:06 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:I've found it! | 10:09 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:There's a bug in the documentation! | 10:09 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:And because of that I've never accepted the dialog | 10:09 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:but rejected it | 10:10 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 10:10 |
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| Superpelican | Or have I misread the page | 10:12 |
| Superpelican | No I haven't I'm sure | 10:13 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:I'm making a paste with the relevant parts | 10:13 |
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| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:Here it is: http://paste.kde.org/pe54b46e6/ | 10:14 |
| Superpelican | They've swapped "right to left" and "left to right" | 10:14 |
| Superpelican | And I followed the wrong part | 10:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | one sec | 10:15 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | I'm gonna see your code | 10:15 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: should be alright, but nothing is displayed | 10:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no error like pageStack: undefined ? | 10:16 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:Have you checked my paste? | 10:16 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:They've swapped "right to left" and "left to right" | 10:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: maybe | 10:17 |
| Superpelican | every time I thought I was accepting the dialog I actually rejected it! | 10:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ah :D | 10:17 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:http://paste.kde.org/pe54b46e6/ | 10:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yes | 10:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lol | 10:17 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | mind posting it in the ML ? | 10:17 |
| Superpelican | no problem | 10:18 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:No that onAccepted it truly called | 10:18 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:I get another error | 10:18 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:startPage is not defined | 10:18 |
| piee | the code is in windows？？ | 10:18 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | which file ? | 10:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: ^ | 10:19 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:eh no | 10:19 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:I haven't used Windows for a few years on my home laptop | 10:19 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:the error is in EnterMultiplicationTableDialog.qml | 10:19 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:So I changed startPage to StartPage, but it keeps throwing that error | 10:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no | 10:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | that do not work | 10:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | did you defined id: startPage anywhere in your code ? | 10:20 |
| Superpelican | yes | 10:20 |
| Superpelican | in StartPage.qml | 10:20 |
| Superpelican | id: startPage | 10:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hum | 10:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | not enough | 10:20 |
| Superpelican | objectName? | 10:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hum | 10:20 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | actually in EnterMultiplicationTableDialog | 10:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | add on top (so just after id: entermulti...) | 10:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | property Page startPage | 10:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and in StartPage | 10:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | var EnterMultiplicationTableDialog = pageStack.push(Qt.resolvedUrl("EnterMultiplicationTableDialog.qml"), {"startPage": startPage}); | 10:21 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:Thanks a lot, I've fixed it now | 10:23 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:But could you also explain why this is needed? | 10:24 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:Does the dialog have it's own scope or something like that? | 10:24 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:That it can't access the pageStack | 10:24 |
| Superpelican | and pages | 10:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | because I think that in a dynamically created component (when you call pushPage with a Qt.resolvedUrl), you don't have access to other scopes | 10:24 |
| Superpelican | ok thanks | 10:25 |
| Superpelican | that at least makes a little bit of sense ;) | 10:26 |
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| Superpelican | hmmm | 10:35 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:I think I could use dialog.acceptDestination | 10:35 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:That seems a lot easier and cleaner | 10:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: yep | 10:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | sounds better | 10:37 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:I've now got acceptDestination working and I've checked: swiping the Dialog from right to left accepts it | 10:38 |
| Superpelican | so from right to left is correct | 10:38 |
| Superpelican | and from left to right is wrong | 10:39 |
| Superpelican | well not really wrong | 10:39 |
| Superpelican | but it rejects the dialog ;) | 10:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | for me, it is more about follow the flow of the pages | 10:39 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:acceptDestination has one caveat: if the user wants to return to the startPage it has to reject the dialog | 10:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: maybe you should push the page and then use acceptDestination | 10:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: sorry, I misunderstood you | 10:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yes, that's the correct behaviour i guess | 10:42 |
| Superpelican | So I think I have to pop the dialog | 10:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | what's the problem with the dialog ? | 10:43 |
| Superpelican | well it's a bit difficult to explain in just text | 10:44 |
| Superpelican | maybe I can make a screencast | 10:44 |
| Superpelican | give me a minute | 10:44 |
| Morpog_PC | superpelican, i also don't understand it :) | 10:44 |
| Superpelican | let me install a screencast app first | 10:45 |
| Superpelican | nooo | 10:46 |
| Superpelican | Which application should I choose? | 10:46 |
| Superpelican | too much choices | 10:46 |
| Morpog_PC | lol | 10:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: qrecordmydesktop | 10:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or gtkrecordmydesktop | 10:46 |
| Superpelican | yeah I know those 2 | 10:47 |
| Superpelican | but you also have screengrab | 10:47 |
| Superpelican | and iirc vlc can record your desktop too | 10:47 |
| Superpelican | and ffmpeg can do it too | 10:47 |
| Superpelican | and there probably even more | 10:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | use the thing that works | 10:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | imo *recordmydesktop are ok | 10:47 |
| Superpelican | but how do I know that until I test all of them? | 10:47 |
| Superpelican | I'll install qtrecordmydesktop | 10:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: I dont' care :D | 10:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I just take the one that works so | 10:48 |
| Superpelican | and you have istanbul too | 10:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | maybe there are better | 10:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but today | 10:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | just use the one that works | 10:48 |
| Superpelican | I'll choose recorditnow | 10:48 |
| Morpog_PC | rofl | 10:48 |
| Superpelican | But which backend should I choose | 10:49 |
| Superpelican | mplayer or ffmpeg? | 10:49 |
| Superpelican | :( | 10:49 |
| Superpelican | mencoder vs ffmpeg | 10:49 |
| Morpog_PC | they are both OK I guess, just choose one | 10:49 |
| Superpelican | hmm iirc ffmpeg is used more nowadays | 10:49 |
| Superpelican | ...but I already have mplayer installed... | 10:50 |
| Superpelican | so that'll drag in less dependencies | 10:50 |
| Superpelican | aaaaaaaaaaaaaaah | 10:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lol | 10:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I <3 the attachedpage systm | 10:51 |
| * Superpelican 's now reading http://www.webnethosting.net/ffmpeg-or-mencoder-which-one-to-use/ | 10:51 | |
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| Superpelican | that page only made the decision more difficult | 10:52 |
| Superpelican | s/that page/reading that page | 10:52 |
| phako | there's also avenc in the mix now :P | 10:52 |
| Superpelican | libav? | 10:53 |
| phako | yeah, which comes with a renamed ffmpeg binary | 10:53 |
| Superpelican | hmmm I'll choose mencoder | 10:54 |
| Superpelican | it supports more codecs | 10:54 |
| Superpelican | and uses ffmpeg and more codecs | 10:54 |
| Superpelican | noooooooooo | 10:54 |
| Superpelican | recorditnow drags in nepomuk | 10:55 |
| Superpelican | why????? | 10:55 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: loool | 10:55 |
| Superpelican | oh, no I'm wrong | 10:55 |
| Superpelican | Yast wants to update nepomuk-core | 10:55 |
| Superpelican | That means that it's *already* on my system | 10:56 |
| Superpelican | nooooo | 10:56 |
| Superpelican | nvm | 10:56 |
| Superpelican | it's turned off | 10:56 |
| Superpelican | I'll ignore the 2,7 mb space it uses | 10:56 |
| Superpelican | or whatever | 10:56 |
| Superpelican | because that's probably the download size | 10:56 |
| Superpelican | so it's compressed | 10:56 |
| Superpelican | hurry Yast | 10:57 |
| Superpelican | the world's going to end in 5 s | 10:57 |
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| Superpelican | I hate recorditnow | 11:08 |
| Superpelican | it has a stupid count down timer | 11:09 |
| Superpelican | which automatically stops the recording | 11:09 |
| Superpelican | *I* am the user | 11:09 |
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| Superpelican | *I*'m suppose to control it | 11:09 |
| Superpelican | not the software | 11:09 |
| Superpelican | ... | 11:09 |
| Superpelican | let me choose when I want to end the video | 11:09 |
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| Superpelican | arggghhh | 11:11 |
| Superpelican | I'll download a new screen recording app | 11:11 |
| Superpelican | hmm istanbul is a gnome app | 11:13 |
| Superpelican | I'd prefer a Qt | 11:13 |
| Superpelican | or KDE | 11:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: qtrecordmydesktop | 11:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | kiss | 11:13 |
| Morpog_PC | lol | 11:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | seriously | 11:13 |
| Superpelican | Keep It Simple and Stupid | 11:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and you are the user of qrmd | 11:13 |
| Morpog_PC | and don't waste time ;) | 11:13 |
| Superpelican | but qtrecordmydesktop isn't in the openSUSE repos | 11:14 |
| Superpelican | neither in packman | 11:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: :/ | 11:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | qt-recordmydesktop ? | 11:14 |
| Morpog_PC | add a repo? | 11:14 |
| Superpelican | I'll check the openSUSE obs | 11:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | qt-RecordMyDesktop ? | 11:14 |
| Superpelican | http://software.opensuse.org | 11:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: search recordmy ? | 11:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 11:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | that's what is opensuse goot at | 11:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the OBS | 11:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | <3 | 11:14 |
| Morpog_PC | http://software.opensuse.org/package/qt-recordmydesktop | 11:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I hate yast though | 11:15 |
| Superpelican | hmm I thnk I'll just use recordmydesktop [cli] | 11:15 |
| Superpelican | really? | 11:15 |
| Superpelican | I rather like it | 11:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so hum ... should I switch ? | 11:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: a bit slow when writing config | 11:15 |
| Superpelican | doesn't really bother me | 11:15 |
| Superpelican | I really love zypper | 11:15 |
| Superpelican | I began as an apt-get user | 11:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and when install app, you have to wait that it finishes writing config | 11:15 |
| Superpelican | my first distro was Ubuntu | 11:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | zypper is good | 11:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (Mer uses zypper :)) | 11:16 |
| Superpelican | know | 11:16 |
| Superpelican | and I'm really happy about it | 11:16 |
| Morpog_PC | yeah zypper is easy to undertsand | 11:16 |
| Superpelican | and fast | 11:16 |
| Superpelican | just as fast as apt-get | 11:16 |
| Superpelican | and I love that zypper se shows whether an application is installed or not | 11:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the only problem is | 11:16 |
| Superpelican | that's really a must-have | 11:16 |
| Morpog_PC | even for a linux newbie like me who uses linux only on his N9 :) | 11:16 |
| Superpelican | for me | 11:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no management of orphans | 11:16 |
| Superpelican | yeah | 11:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_PC: are you a newbie ? | 11:16 |
| Superpelican | apt-get autoremove is nice | 11:16 |
| Morpog_PC | well, linux wise i would call that myself | 11:17 |
| spider-mario | does it at least track whether packages are installed as dependencies? | 11:17 |
| spider-mario | so that orphan management can be added later | 11:17 |
| Morpog_PC | maybe, I underestimate myself a bit :) | 11:17 |
| Superpelican | spider-mario:I think so | 11:18 |
| Superpelican | at first I didn't want to switch to a RPM distro | 11:18 |
| Superpelican | yum was sooo slow | 11:18 |
| Superpelican | so I kept on the DEB side of the family | 11:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yum is horrible | 11:19 |
| Superpelican | but then | 11:19 |
| Superpelican | I met openSUSE | 11:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so ... | 11:19 |
| Superpelican | and I fell in love with zypper | 11:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | today is ... sailfishos porting day ! | 11:19 |
| Superpelican | ? | 11:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | let's have fun with my iconia :P | 11:19 |
| Superpelican | nvm I'll use cli recordmydesktop | 11:20 |
| Superpelican | it can't be that hard | 11:20 |
| Superpelican | wow | 11:20 |
| Superpelican | it has already created a video | 11:20 |
| Superpelican | it's really KISS | 11:20 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 11:20 |
| Superpelican | recordmydesktop | 11:21 |
| Superpelican | and ctrl+c | 11:21 |
| Superpelican | that's all | 11:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | enough isn't it ? | 11:21 |
| Superpelican | yeah let's get back to work :) | 11:21 |
| Superpelican | awsome | 11:22 |
| Superpelican | the video works | 11:22 |
| Superpelican | now let's record the real one | 11:22 |
| Superpelican | recordmydesktop + dropdown terminal = perfect | 11:22 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | yakuake ftw | 11:23 |
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| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:You guessed correctly :) | 11:33 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:RT: yakuake ftw | 11:33 |
| Culain | Tilda ftw | 11:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | iirc there is only one dropdown terminal that is yakuake | 11:33 |
| Superpelican | eh no | 11:33 |
| Superpelican | qterminal | 11:34 |
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| Superpelican | has a dropdown mode | 11:34 |
| Superpelican | and there's a gnome one too | 11:34 |
| Superpelican | gakuake | 11:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ah | 11:34 |
| Superpelican | and there's another KDE one | 11:34 |
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| Culain | Tilda is fine for XFCE | 11:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | because it was like 2 years ago, there weren't many of them | 11:34 |
| Culain | :3 | 11:34 |
| Superpelican | oh and Tilda of course | 11:34 |
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| Superpelican | my video is encoding now | 11:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ah :) | 11:34 |
| Superpelican | oh it's done | 11:34 |
| Superpelican | I'll upload it | 11:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | tilda looks nice :) | 11:34 |
| Superpelican | yakuake has an awesome dropdown animation | 11:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 11:35 |
| Superpelican | I've been using it since a few weeks | 11:35 |
| Superpelican | well no | 11:35 |
| Superpelican | actually one week iirc | 11:35 |
| Superpelican | oops | 11:36 |
| Superpelican | my video has huge glitches | 11:36 |
| Superpelican | and I accidently recorded sound | 11:36 |
| Superpelican | noooo | 11:37 |
| Superpelican | There I go again | 11:37 |
| Superpelican | gonna have to find an alternative | 11:37 |
| Superpelican | simplescreenrecorder looks nice | 11:38 |
| Superpelican | oh | 11:38 |
| Superpelican | but opensuse doesn't have it | 11:38 |
| Superpelican | not even in the OBS | 11:38 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 11:41 |
| Superpelican | I'm totally not wasting time | 11:41 |
| Morpog_PC | you could do screenshots instead | 11:42 |
| jjanvier | hi there | 11:57 |
| jjanvier | looking for a way to save a user input | 11:57 |
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| Superpelican | jjanvier:What user input? | 12:02 |
| Superpelican | jjanvier:Is your app QML only? | 12:03 |
| Superpelican | jjanvier:Or do you use C++ too? | 12:03 |
| jjanvier | atm no c++ | 12:03 |
| jjanvier | but if I have too, I'll use it | 12:04 |
| jjanvier | I'm just trying to write a simple app to discover sailfish os | 12:04 |
| jjanvier | but I must admit I have been coding c++ for a while now | 12:04 |
| jjanvier | I have not been coding* | 12:05 |
| Superpelican | jjanvier:You can use a Silica TextField component | 12:05 |
| Superpelican | jjanvier:it's text property contains the user input | 12:05 |
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| jjanvier | yeah, that's what I us | 12:05 |
| jjanvier | e | 12:05 |
| Superpelican | jjanvier:Please check out: https://sailfishos.org//sailfish-silica/index.html | 12:06 |
| jjanvier | but I don't understand how data are saved | 12:06 |
| Superpelican | eh | 12:06 |
| jjanvier | sorry for this kind of noob questions ^^ | 12:07 |
| Superpelican | well I personally am going to send the value of the text property to C++ and then save it | 12:07 |
| Superpelican | jjanvier:I'm a noob too :D | 12:07 |
| Superpelican | You're probably better in C++ than me | 12:07 |
| Superpelican | jjanvier:Well | 12:08 |
| jjanvier | ha ha ^^ really not sure about that ^^ | 12:08 |
| jjanvier | anyway from what I understand | 12:09 |
| Superpelican | jjanvier:Want to check out the most advanced C++ program I've written? | 12:09 |
| jjanvier | there is nothing particular about saving data with sailfish os | 12:09 |
| Superpelican | http://bitbucket.org/Superpelican/quick_clamshell/src | 12:09 |
| jjanvier | I just have to look at "regular" qt app | 12:09 |
| Superpelican | jjanvier:Why do you want to save the user input | 12:09 |
| Superpelican | you can process it directly | 12:10 |
| Superpelican | you can however create a property | 12:10 |
| Superpelican | a property string | 12:10 |
| Superpelican | "property string mystring: value" | 12:10 |
| jjanvier | I want to create a simple todo list app | 12:10 |
| jjanvier | so I need to save user's lists and tasks | 12:11 |
| Superpelican | ah | 12:11 |
| Superpelican | then you'll probably want to save the data to a file | 12:11 |
| Superpelican | honestly I don't know (yet) how to save data to a file with QML | 12:11 |
| Superpelican | So you could use C++ | 12:12 |
| Superpelican | or search on the web | 12:12 |
| Superpelican | this might help: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.1/qtdoc/gettingstartedqml.html | 12:12 |
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| jjanvier | thanks, I was looking at this example | 12:13 |
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| jjanvier | I'll try it, but it seems a little more complex than I expected | 12:13 |
| Superpelican | jjanvier:But iirc that uses C++ to save to a file too | 12:13 |
| Superpelican | I don't know if it's even possible to save to a file with pure QML | 12:14 |
| sardini | http://developer.nokia.com/Community/Wiki/Reading_and_writing_files_in_QML | 12:15 |
| Superpelican | jjanvier:http://askubuntu.com/questions/275953/saving-user-settings-file-in-qml-js | 12:15 |
| jjanvier | thanks ! | 12:15 |
| Superpelican | well that looks like a really nice page, sardini | 12:16 |
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| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:file:///usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica/PageStack.js:111: Error: Cannot pop to invalid target page which is not present on the stack | 12:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: I don't know :/ | 12:36 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:Check the code | 12:36 |
| Superpelican | Oh wait | 12:36 |
| Superpelican | I have to push the changes first | 12:36 |
| Superpelican | give me a sec | 12:36 |
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| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:Just pushed the changes, Bitbucket is up to date again | 12:39 |
| Superpelican | http://bitbucket.org/Superpelican/quick_clamshell/src/ | 12:39 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:I'm trying to pop the dialog | 12:40 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:after it is accepted | 12:40 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:I'm now going to try without an argument | 12:42 |
| Superpelican | just .pop() | 12:42 |
| Superpelican | like on the Silica Reference | 12:42 |
| Superpelican | hope that works | 12:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: a dialog is autopopped | 12:43 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no need to manually pop it | 12:43 |
| Superpelican | it isn't | 12:43 |
| Superpelican | believe me | 12:43 |
| Superpelican | it least not visually | 12:43 |
| Superpelican | nvm | 12:43 |
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| Superpelican | I'll just continue trying to make a screencast | 12:44 |
| Superpelican | then I can show you | 12:44 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:I'm looking into qt-recordmydesktop now :) | 12:44 |
| Superpelican | Let's hope the repo isn't malicious | 12:46 |
| Superpelican | the guy who made it at least has a lot of packages | 12:46 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:You've won :) | 12:53 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:I've installed qt-recordmydesktop | 12:54 |
| Superpelican | and it's indeed a nice program | 12:54 |
| Superpelican | truly KISS | 12:54 |
| Superpelican | especially the tray applet is KISS | 12:54 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 12:55 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:It'sencoding now | 12:57 |
| Superpelican | but there's a glitch in the emulator | 12:57 |
| Superpelican | it's accidently also in the video | 12:57 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 12:57 |
| Superpelican | you'll see it | 12:57 |
| Superpelican | it's really weird | 12:57 |
| Superpelican | it looks like it's booting | 12:58 |
| Superpelican | but I can swipe it away | 12:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: normal glitch | 12:58 |
| Superpelican | extremely weird | 12:58 |
| Superpelican | known? | 12:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well not known but I have it here | 12:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and it don't bother me much | 12:58 |
| Superpelican | ok | 12:58 |
| Superpelican | so it is known | 12:58 |
| Superpelican | actually | 12:58 |
| Superpelican | recordmydesktop does spike the CPU a bit though | 12:59 |
| Superpelican | spikes of 70% | 12:59 |
| Superpelican | Core i3-2310M dual core with hyperthreading @ 2,1 GHz here | 12:59 |
| Superpelican | so not to bad | 12:59 |
| Superpelican | s/to/too | 12:59 |
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| Superpelican | for a CPU | 12:59 |
| Superpelican | encoding almost finished | 13:00 |
| Superpelican | and it's done | 13:00 |
| Superpelican | now I have to check if everything went well | 13:00 |
| Superpelican | oh no | 13:02 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:The video has tearing again | 13:02 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:the transitions especially | 13:02 |
| Superpelican | hmm maybe I can lower the framerate | 13:03 |
| Superpelican | it's a bit too much for my computer I think | 13:03 |
| Morpog_PC | just to show us it doesn't need to be perfect | 13:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is ok | 13:03 |
| Superpelican | But it's horrible | 13:03 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it takes resources to manage a screencast | 13:04 |
| Morpog_PC | our brains will reimplement t jose dropped frames :D | 13:04 |
| Superpelican | eh | 13:04 |
| Superpelican | it's not only laggy | 13:04 |
| Morpog_PC | those | 13:04 |
| Superpelican | the only screen is teared apart | 13:04 |
| Superpelican | and there use black blocks everywhere | 13:04 |
| Superpelican | it's not even clear | 13:04 |
| Superpelican | what's happening | 13:04 |
| Superpelican | hmm maybe if I capture only a select region of the screen | 13:05 |
| Superpelican | and it doesn't even encode on the fly | 13:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: wonder if this is caused by wl | 13:06 |
| Superpelican | could be | 13:06 |
| Superpelican | I can upload the old and the new video if you want | 13:06 |
| Superpelican | I'm dropping to framerate now to 20 | 13:06 |
| Superpelican | old vid had 30/s | 13:06 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: that's what I was developing for the 1/2 last days https://twitter.com/SfietKonstantin/status/363647668788011009 | 13:10 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:Here's the bad video: http://ubuntuone.com/5kW7dIvuxbJIwC5QNCOB64 | 13:11 |
| Superpelican | HTML5 :) | 13:11 |
| Superpelican | video | 13:11 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:It's beautiful indeed :D | 13:11 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:Would be nice if we could have that as lock screen | 13:12 |
| Superpelican | clean yet functional | 13:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: can't really see anything in your vid | 13:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: well ... that's in the plan | 13:12 |
| Superpelican | eh | 13:12 |
| Superpelican | I think your browser doesn't support ogg then | 13:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | when I got the ambiance API, and wrote a daemon for the photos, it will work | 13:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: well, I dled the vid | 13:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | too much tearing to see | 13:13 |
| Superpelican | :nod: | 13:13 |
| Superpelican | this one is just for demo of the tearing | 13:13 |
| Superpelican | which may be caused by wl | 13:13 |
| Superpelican | I'm creating a new one | 13:13 |
| Superpelican | for the original purpose ;) | 13:13 |
| Superpelican | huh | 13:14 |
| Superpelican | the vid does work in FF | 13:14 |
| Superpelican | it just needed to load | 13:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yes, but I prefer dling everything | 13:14 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:But it's different in the browser than when I played it with Bangarang | 13:15 |
| Superpelican | a KDE video player | 13:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ah ? | 13:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :S | 13:15 |
| Superpelican | really | 13:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I know bangarang | 13:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is the same here :P | 13:15 |
| Superpelican | there are no huge black pixels in FF | 13:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | with vlc and embedded | 13:15 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:So your app can be set as the lock screen? | 13:16 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: no | 13:19 |
| Superpelican | :( | 13:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, technically I know how to do it | 13:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | in practice | 13:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | In practice, with the SDK, it is impossible | 13:19 |
| Superpelican | you're not allowed to disclose any info | 13:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I was more thinking about beautiful wallpaper as background ambiance | 13:19 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and using event feed to display weather | 13:19 |
| Superpelican | sounds ok too | 13:19 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:I've recorded a new vid | 13:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ok | 13:21 |
| Superpelican | but it's almost a slideshow | 13:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 13:21 |
| Superpelican | I'll upload it | 13:21 |
| ericcc | hi | 13:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hello ericcc | 13:21 |
| Superpelican | http://ubuntuone.com/7MIfo6vKsdqg9PmgSQ9iH4 | 13:22 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin: ^ | 13:22 |
| Superpelican | when I select text | 13:22 |
| Superpelican | imagine I typed it on IRC or something like that | 13:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: so basically you get your dialog in sandwich | 13:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is not popped when you added your new page ? | 13:23 |
| Superpelican | yes | 13:23 |
| Superpelican | that's the problem | 13:23 |
| Superpelican | so I wanted to pop it after it's accepted | 13:23 |
| ericcc | http://ubuntuone.com/7MIfo6vKsdqg9PmgSQ9iH4 what is thie | 13:24 |
| ericcc | this? | 13:24 |
| Superpelican | but now it says: "Warning: cannot pop while transition is in progress" | 13:24 |
| Superpelican | ericcc:A HTML5 video | 13:24 |
| Superpelican | you should be able to download it too | 13:24 |
| ericcc | sailfish app with html5? | 13:25 |
| Superpelican | eh no | 13:25 |
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| Superpelican | HTML5 video is a replacement for Adobe Flash | 13:25 |
| Superpelican | it's a video of my Sailfish app | 13:26 |
| Superpelican | the video's powered by HTML5 | 13:26 |
| Superpelican | go look up the HTML5 video tag on Google or <insert_your_search_engine_here> :) | 13:26 |
| ericcc | you sailfish app is cool i like it | 13:27 |
| Superpelican | thanks | 13:27 |
| Superpelican | but really it's not really advanced | 13:28 |
| ericcc | i can`t use the dialog on the code | 13:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: IMO you should do that | 13:28 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:What? | 13:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | you have to push a new page when the dialog is accepted | 13:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and poped | 13:29 |
| Superpelican | well I already have acceptDestination | 13:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so basically, you emit a signal from the dialog | 13:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and this signal should be caught by the previous page | 13:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and this page responsible of pushing another page | 13:29 |
| Superpelican | yeah | 13:29 |
| Superpelican | but didn't the dialog have it's own scope? | 13:29 |
| Superpelican | won't that cause problems? | 13:30 |
| ericcc | here http://paste.kde.org/pef80f5dc/ | 13:31 |
| ericcc | why can see the dialog? | 13:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ericcc: that do not work like that | 13:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | a dialog is often created in a separated file | 13:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and you use pageStack.push(Qt.resolvedUrl("YoutDialog.qml")) to display it | 13:32 |
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| ericcc | PullDownMenu { | 13:34 |
| ericcc | MenuItem { | 13:34 |
| ericcc | color: "yellow" | 13:34 |
| ericcc | text: "Option 1" | 13:34 |
| ericcc | onClicked: pageStack.push(Qt.resolvedUrl("dialog.qml")) | 13:34 |
| ericcc | } | 13:34 |
| ericcc | i try | 13:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ericcc: use paste | 13:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | don't paste in IRC | 13:35 |
| Superpelican | it can flood the server | 13:35 |
| Superpelican | which is run by volunteers iirc | 13:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | you have to prefix all your qml (except maybe main) with an uppercase letter | 13:35 |
| Superpelican | and it's especially bad for code | 13:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well | 13:36 |
| ericcc | yep my first code under here | 13:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ericcc: all your code should be there | 13:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | well, the weather is great out there | 13:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | like what you saw on my screenshot | 13:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | time to go out and walk i think | 13:36 |
| ericcc | import QtQuick 2.0 | 13:36 |
| ericcc | import Sailfish.Silica 1.0 | 13:36 |
| ericcc | import Sailfish.Silica.theme 1.0 | 13:36 |
| ericcc | Page { | 13:36 |
| ericcc | id: page | 13:36 |
| ericcc | 13:36 | |
| ericcc | // To enable PullDownMenu, place our content in a SilicaFlickable | 13:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ericcc: please | 13:36 |
| ericcc | SilicaFlickable { | 13:36 |
| ericcc | anchors.fill: parent | 13:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | use paste.kde.org | 13:36 |
| ericcc | 13:36 | |
| ericcc | // PullDownMenu and PushUpMenu must be declared in SilicaFlickable, SilicaListView or SilicaGridView | 13:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | don't paste in IRC | 13:36 |
| ericcc | / PullDownMenu { | 13:36 |
| ericcc | / MenuItem { | 13:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | -_- | 13:36 |
| ericcc | / text: "Show Page 2" | 13:36 |
| ericcc | / onClicked: pageStack.push(Qt.resolvedUrl("SecondPage.qml")) | 13:36 |
| ericcc | / } | 13:36 |
| ericcc | / } | 13:36 |
| ericcc | PullDownMenu { | 13:36 |
| ericcc | MenuItem { | 13:37 |
| ericcc | color: "yellow" | 13:37 |
| ericcc | text: "Option 1" | 13:37 |
| ericcc | onClicked: pageStack.push(Qt.resolvedUrl("dialog.qml")) | 13:37 |
| ericcc | } | 13:37 |
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| ericcc | MenuItem { | 13:37 |
| ericcc | color: "pink" | 13:37 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: :D | 13:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | poor ericcc | 13:37 |
| locusf | lol | 13:37 |
| Superpelican | :) | 13:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | actually he might not even uderstood what we meant | 13:37 |
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| Superpelican | ? | 13:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | he is chinese | 13:37 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and have some trouble with english sometimes | 13:38 |
| Superpelican | ericcc请使用paste.kde.org粘贴代码 | 13:38 |
| Superpelican | :) | 13:38 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 13:38 |
| Superpelican | they mainly speak simplified chinese these days don't they? | 13:39 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:No, I don't actually speak Chinese | 13:39 |
| piee | 我点错了键盘键 | 13:39 |
| piee | sorry | 13:39 |
| * Superpelican whispers to Sfiet_Konstantin: http://translate.google.com | 13:39 | |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: yeah I know | 13:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | however I used to know how to write in chinese :/ | 13:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | alright, I should move :/ | 13:40 |
| Superpelican | really? | 13:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | weather is good | 13:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yeah, I'm chinese-blooded | 13:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :/ | 13:40 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I have chinese blood | 13:40 |
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| ericcc | sorry | 13:41 |
| ericcc | 我点了快捷键 | 13:41 |
| Superpelican | ericc: 请使用paste.kde.org粘贴代码 | 13:42 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 13:42 |
| Superpelican | ericcc:disclaimer:I don't actually speak Chinese | 13:42 |
| Superpelican | I hope I didn't insult you with that | 13:43 |
| ericcc | yep speak english | 13:43 |
| ericcc | i dont master | 13:43 |
| ericcc | my mistake | 13:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ericcc: no problem :) | 13:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ericcc: better use paste.kde.org to transmit your code | 13:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and about the dialog thing, read the examples | 13:44 |
| Morpog_PC | nice weather app Sfiet_Konstantin | 13:44 |
| Morpog_PC | is that for jolla in your internship, or hobby? | 13:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ericcc: https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-dialog.html | 13:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_PC: hobby | 13:44 |
| ericcc | raining day | 13:44 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_PC: and the source is open as usual | 13:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | https://github.com/sailfishapps/weatherfish | 13:45 |
| ericcc | for qt5? | 13:45 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ericcc: for sailfish | 13:46 |
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| ericcc | right | 13:46 |
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| Morpog_PC | coverpage could refresh actual weather and forecast for 3 days on cover :) | 13:46 |
| Morpog_PC | and other direction could change city | 13:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_PC: if you have ideas | 13:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I will blog post soon | 13:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is a simple demo now, but I want it to be better | 13:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it follows the openweathermap discussion on (IIRC #JollaMobile ?) | 13:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | some days ago | 13:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | yes, it is planned to do forecast | 13:47 |
| Morpog_PC | looking forward to that blog post | 13:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | 3 hours and 10 days capabilities of openweathermap will be used | 13:48 |
| Morpog_PC | need to go now bbq party :) | 13:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | need to go out | 13:48 |
| Morpog_PC | my ideas above were for coverpage | 13:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but computer don't let me go :P | 13:48 |
| Morpog_PC | lol | 13:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_PC: some asked about ambiance | 13:48 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | etc | 13:49 |
| * Superpelican checks out weatherfish on github | 13:51 | |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:I didn't know openweathermap.org existed! | 13:54 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:I was already using openstreetmap.org | 13:54 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | ericcc: it is not hard :) | 13:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Superpelican: it is not the same | 13:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but it is lovely | 13:58 |
| Superpelican | I know | 13:59 |
| Superpelican | but openweathermap.org is a perfect companion to openstreetmap.org | 13:59 |
| Superpelican | Sfiet_Konstantin:Do you have identi.ca? | 14:00 |
| Superpelican | I'm having lots of problems with it recently | 14:01 |
| Nicd- | wow, the identi.ca homepage could not be worse | 14:01 |
| Superpelican | why? | 14:01 |
| Nicd- | it tells absolutely nothing about the site | 14:02 |
| Superpelican | true | 14:02 |
| Nicd- | except that it pumps the life out of my friends and that sounds bad | 14:02 |
| Superpelican | lol | 14:02 |
| Nicd- | and when I click "try it", I'm suddenly on some site called Pump Dog | 14:02 |
| Superpelican | yeah | 14:04 |
| Superpelican | I really hope Jolla leaves identi.ca | 14:04 |
| Superpelican | and creates an account on something like diaspora | 14:04 |
| Superpelican | or freesocial.org | 14:04 |
| Superpelican | which actually was so sane to keep using status.net | 14:04 |
| Superpelican | until pump.il is *actually* mature | 14:04 |
| Nicd- | freesocial.org looks like it was written in the 90s | 14:05 |
| jjanvier | Sfiet_Konstantin: are you French ? | 14:06 |
| Superpelican | yes he's | 14:06 |
| Superpelican | Nicd-:But at least it should work | 14:06 |
| Superpelican | I can't even send notes with pump.io | 14:06 |
| Superpelican | I just click the stupid button | 14:06 |
| Superpelican | and 90% of the time it doesn't respond | 14:07 |
| Superpelican | and when it does actually respond | 14:07 |
| Superpelican | it often takes forever to send the note | 14:07 |
| Superpelican | literally | 14:07 |
| Superpelican | it nevers gets send | 14:07 |
| Superpelican | I'm really starting to genuinely hate it | 14:07 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | jjanvier: yes I'm | 14:07 |
| Nicd- | I'm just a good sheep and use Google+ | 14:08 |
| Superpelican | I wouldn't exactly call you a good sheep, when you're using Google+ | 14:08 |
| Superpelican | it's evil | 14:09 |
| Superpelican | I once was a heavy Google user too | 14:09 |
| Superpelican | but about 1.5 year ago I stopped using it | 14:09 |
| Nicd- | I'm a good sheep towards Google | 14:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_PC: published :) | 14:09 |
| Superpelican | -_- | 14:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Morpog_PC: http://sfietkonstantin.wordpress.com/2013/08/03/introducing-weatherfish-and-also-ambiancechanger/ | 14:09 |
| Superpelican | yay | 14:09 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I should really go out and walk :( | 14:09 |
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| Nicd- | Sfiet_Konstantin: looks nice | 14:11 |
| dm8tbr | Sfiet_Konstantin: take an android device, play ingress. that gets you outside :) | 14:11 |
| ericcc | see you | 14:11 |
| Stskeeps | see you ericcc | 14:11 |
| ericcc | have good weekend | 14:11 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | dm8tbr: lol | 14:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | no android device : | 14:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :( | 14:12 |
| dm8tbr | too bad :/ | 14:12 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :D | 14:13 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | there is no photos for Tampere in Flickr | 14:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | when weatherfish queries flickr, it returns photos for helsinki :P | 14:14 |
| Superpelican | nah | 14:14 |
| Superpelican | better get an iPhone | 14:14 |
| Superpelican | I don't dare to jailbreak it! | 14:14 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :/ | 14:15 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | alright bye | 14:15 |
| Superpelican | s/I/And | 14:15 |
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