Sunday, 2013-08-04

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SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:I still have to fix the dialog problem08:58
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:Your idea was to let the dialog send a signal to the questionPage and then let the questionPage close the dialog, right?09:00
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:This doesn't work either, it freezes the transition from the dialog to the questionPage:
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: hum09:09
SuperpelicanYes, I know it's probably a very dirty hack09:09
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ericccdialog have  problem?09:20
Superpelicanericcc:Yes, the dialog remains on the pagestack after accepting it09:21
Superpelicanwhere it should be popped09:21
Superpelicanericcc:The problem can be seen here:
faenilto Jollaians: are you aware that playing with SSU can screw the setup? changing to devel results in pointing to 404 repos09:27
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Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: pong09:33
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:I've tried your idea09:34
Sfiet_Konstantinimo, try09:34
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:Doesn't work09:34
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:it doesn't recognize the signal09:34
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: worth sending in ML09:34
Sfiet_Konstantinping devs09:34
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:Is it a bug?09:34
Sfiet_Konstantinnot sure09:34
Sfiet_Konstantinbut the behaviour with dialog in two pages is (imo) a bug09:35
Culainhello guys :)09:35
SuperpelicanI still have to report the bug on the docs too09:35
faenilcan anyone do "ssu repos" for me on their sailfish emu?09:40
faenillbt, w00t what about an SSU disclaimer? :P09:41
faenilMorpog_, what does "release" say when doing ssu status?09:42
faenilMorpog_, thanks anyway ;)09:42
faenilMorpog_, also "ssu fl"09:42
Morpog_Release: 0.2013073109:42
lbtfaenil: yeah  ssu is ... fun09:43
faenillbt, lol09:43
Morpog_Device flavour is currently: release09:44
faeniloh damn! now I have nemo repos09:44
faenillbt, is there a way to reset to jolla repos?09:44
lbtdon't expect 'obvious' things ... eg you may see %(arch) in some template - and you may see arch=VALUE in some config file ... and sometimes the resulting file has VALUE where %(arch) used to be .... but it's just messin' with your head ...09:45
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lbtfaenil: ssu re 0.20130731 ; ssu ur09:46
lbtif you changed it that way09:46
faenillbt, not helping09:46
lbtin general ssu has a list of repos09:46
faenilwell I played with it a bit09:46
faenilchanged to rnd, then back to release09:47
faenilthen devel, bla bl abla09:47
lbtthen ... the command "ssu ur" says "now tell zypper about them"09:47
faenilyeah I'm aware of ur :)09:47
lbtsorry - bad timing too - my SDK is off and I'm about to pop out ... I'll be back later - ping me09:48
faenillbt, np, my fault, was on wrong terminal window, your command did it ;)09:48
ericccmy  mer  sdk   sometime  will auto  stop09:49
faenilso, well, don't change repos people :)09:50
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faenillbt, still, a disclaimer could avoid troubles for tinkerers :D09:51
faenilMorpog_, thanks ;)09:52
ericcchey  guys  how  can   setting  the  sdk  to let my sdk connnet  internet?10:00
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Superpelicanericcc:Eh, why do you need to connect your sdk to the internet?10:01
Morpog_sdk or emulator?10:02
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ericccsailfish  emulator10:08
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Morpog_should work already10:08
Morpog_using linux?10:08
ericccuse  win10:09
ericcci  have  app   it need  connnet internet10:09
Morpog_can you ping websites?10:09
Morpog_in emulator10:09
ericccping?  how use?10:09
Morpog_right ctrl + F210:10
Morpog_(or ssh)10:10
rollersmbhey all. hope this is the right place for this question.. is there any way to run sailfish sdk without virtualbox? on win 8 vbox is very buggy, as in, bsod buggy. could we use hyperv?10:10
Morpog_don't think so rollersmb10:10
Stskeepsrollersmb: we use specific box features such as custom screen resolution and shared folders10:11
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ericccmorpog   thank you10:12
rollersmb:( Ok. guess its time to install ubuntu on an old laptop :P10:13
Stskeepsrollersmb: if it doesn't work under w8, please report to mailing list10:13
rollersmbthere are already several issues on virtualbox issue tracker (11712, 11464), so hopefully they're already looking into it. bsod and forced restore occured to me too after installing vbox, so just not going to risk it again on my main laptop.10:16
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SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:Mail sent to ML10:43
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: cool10:43
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:Reported both the error in the Silica Reference and the possible Dialog bug10:43
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:In the mean time I'll continue development on other parts of my app and just ignore the sandwiched Dialog10:45
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Sfiet_Konstantinericcc: wrong window !10:54
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:How would you get an icon for your app?10:58
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: *.desktop10:58
Sfiet_Konstantinfield Icon=10:58
Superpelicanbut I mean the actual icon10:58
SuperpelicanAre you going to create your own?10:58
Sfiet_Konstantinsearch in /usr/share/theme/jolla-ambiant/icons10:58
Sfiet_Konstantinyes, I'm gonna10:58
Sfiet_KonstantinI wanted a fish that is ina sun10:59
Superpelicanso you're going to draw your own fish?10:59
SuperpelicanI really suck at drawing10:59
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin: logo.jpg10:59
Superpelicanhome drawn :(10:59
Superpelicanwith the GIMP10:59
Superpelicanit looks very amateurish11:00
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: "The requested URL /media/fritzing-repo/users/s/superpelican/images/Superpelican was not found on this server."11:00
Superpelicanadd "logo.jpg" to the url11:00
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Superpelicanthe link's broken11:01
Sfiet_Konstantincute :)11:01
Sfiet_KonstantinI like it11:01
Sfiet_Konstantinamateurish, but cute11:01
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Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: can't be worse than
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Superpelicanhmm, personally I think the GNU's better11:02
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: Qt logo is horrible as well11:03
Sfiet_Konstantindon't show the futuristic, fast and beautiful aspect of Qt11:03
Sfiet_KonstantinQt logo is too ... basic11:03
Superpelicanit's basic11:03
Superpelicanbut unless you zoom in too much11:03
SuperpelicanI think it looks pretty decent11:04
SuperpelicanI should really draw a new superpelican11:04
spider-mariowhat do you think of the old one?11:04
Superpelicana less amateurish one11:04
spider-mariowhere the Q and the T were merged11:04
Superpelicana the circle knive thing?11:04
Superpelicanlike in the Razor-Qt logo?11:04
spider-marioa little like that11:05
Superpelicanah that11:05
SuperpelicanI've seen that one once11:05
SuperpelicanQt3 logo, isn't it?11:06
Superpelicanhmm, maybe I should draw a Clamshell first11:06
SuperpelicanI have the "The souce is open" badge from Jolla as temporary replacement anyway11:07
Sfiet_KonstantinI prefer thje old one :)11:08
Superpelicanthe Superpelican?11:08
Sfiet_Konstantinold Qt logo11:08
Sfiet_Konstantinooooh, razor Qt is a pizza knife :O ?11:08
Sfiet_KonstantinI thought it was like a sword with a power glow11:08
Sfiet_Konstantinit is a pizza knife :O :(11:09
Superpelicanit's both11:09
Superpelicana Qt pizza knife11:09
Superpelicanlook closer :)11:09
Morpog_Sfiet_Konstantin, how was the command again to kill a process as root user on N9?11:09
Superpelicankillall maybe?11:09
Sfiet_KonstantinMorpog_: dunno11:09
Sfiet_Konstantindevel-su + kill ?11:09
Morpog_I get permission denies when i try as user and killall11:09
Sfiet_KonstantinMorpog_: you need devel-su11:09
Morpog_I get also permission denied when I try kill as root11:09
Sfiet_KonstantinMorpog_: what are you trying to kill ?11:10
Morpog_I cannot uninstall it while it runs. Thats why I try to kill it.11:10
Sfiet_KonstantinMorpog_: use the develsh ?11:11
Morpog_to uninstall or to kill?11:11
SuperpelicanI can barely find actual clamshell pictures11:13
Morpog_wtf, now it worked as user :(11:13
Superpelicanonly huge "clamshell buckets"11:13
Superpelicanand old Apple powerbook g3s11:13
Superpelicannicknamed "Clamshell"11:13
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Sfiet_KonstantinMorpog_: ...11:14
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Morpog_damn, uninstaller still tells me that it still runs and thus it won't uninstall it :(11:14
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Morpog_aah, it got restarted with a new PID :(11:15
Superpelicanah "clamshell sea" is more successfull11:15
SuperpelicanMorpog_:That usually happens11:15
Superpelicanwhen you kill that kind of processes11:16
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Sfiet_KonstantinMorpog_: is it run as a daemon ?11:16
Sfiet_Konstantinkill it many times11:16
Sfiet_KonstantinIIRC there is a limit of how much times it got restarted11:16
Morpog_how in hell am I supposed to uninstall this thing then? :)11:16
Morpog_ah ok, i try11:16
Superpelicanah, this is a nice candidate:
Superpelicana drawing aid :)11:17
Sfiet_Konstantinah :)11:17
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Sfiet_Konstantinbeware of copyrights11:17
Sfiet_Konstantinbut if you plan to draw on it it do not apply :P11:17
SuperpelicanI'm not even going to draw on it11:17
Superpelicanjust as inspiration11:17
Superpelicana rough sketch11:17
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:Do you think 400*400 is large enough?11:18
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: it is huge11:19
Sfiet_Konstantinfor an ... icon11:19
Sfiet_Konstantinthat is usually <12811:19
Superpelicanyeah but you can always scale it down11:19
Sfiet_Konstantin400 imo is ok11:19
Sfiet_KonstantinMorpog_: what do you think of ^11:19
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:I'm also gonna use it for the Cover11:19
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: don't hesitate to ping other people out there11:19
Sfiet_KonstantinI'm maybe good at Qt / QML, but I'm not a graphic guy :D11:20
Superpelicanme neither11:20
Sfiet_KonstantinMorpog_ drawn some good icons for CuteFox, so he might be the one to ping :)11:20
Morpog_best would be to go for SVG11:20
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Morpog_and 256x256 as base size11:21
SuperpelicanMorpog_: ?11:21
Morpog_when going for pixel graphics I would start at 512x512 and then scale down for smaller sizes11:21
Superpelicanwell then I'll choose SVG11:22
Morpog_yep, thats made by me in SVG (my first SVG icon)11:22
SuperpelicanMorpog_:Anything to keep in mind when drawing in SVG?11:23
SuperpelicanIs it any different from an "artist" PoV?11:23
Superpelican(I'm not an artist)11:23
Morpog_don't draw too fine details, as it will be gone when scaling down for smaller sizes11:23
SuperpelicanMorpog_:Any comments: logo.jpg11:25
Superpelicanoh add "logo.jpg" to the url when you click the link11:25
Superpelicanotherwise it won't work11:25
Morpog_still doesn't work11:26
Superpelicangive me a sec11:26
SuperpelicanI'll upload a new one11:26
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SuperpelicanMade with the GIMP11:29
Superpelicannote:I didn't draw the NEON text myself11:29
Superpelicanthat's just a GIMP script thingy11:29
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Superpelicantoo bad my Wacom tablet broke a few years ago :(11:30
Superpelicanwould've been very handy11:31
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Morpog_Superpelican, better use inkscape for SVG11:33
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Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: because it is a tool designed to draw svgs11:34
Sfiet_Konstantinand it is a nice tool11:34
* Sfiet_Konstantin <3 inkscape11:34
Morpog_gimp is for pixel graphics11:34
* Superpelican is downloading inkscape11:34
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Superpelican(zypper in inkscape)11:35
Morpog_will take you some time to learn it when you are used to pixel graphics programs11:35
SuperpelicanI liked GIMP11:35
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Morpog_Is that a pelican wearing a superman cape?11:36
Superpelicaneh yes11:36
Morpog_lol :)11:36
Sfiet_KonstantinMorpog_: it is Superpelican11:36
SuperpelicanWant to the know how it all started?11:36
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Sfiet_Konstantinsounds like a nice history11:37
SuperpelicanI wanted to create an email account11:37
Sfiet_Konstantinlet's tell the stories of uou nics11:37
Superpelicanbut had no idea how what nick to use for it11:37
Superpelicanso I picked a random animal11:37
Superpelicana pelican11:37
Superpelicanthere nice11:38
Superpelicanbut that was a Hotmail account11:38
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Superpelicanand I wanted to move to Gmail11:38
Superpelicanso I had to create a new email account :)11:38
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SuperpelicanI decided to add the word "super"11:38
Superpelicanto it11:38
Superpelicandon't ask me why11:38
Superpelicanthen it became ""11:39
Superpelicanno, I'm not afraid to publicize my email address11:39
SuperpelicanI closed the account a while ago ;)11:39
Superpelicanso spammers11:39
Superpelicanhave fun11:39
Superpelicanthen I wanted to create a weblog11:39
Superpelicanbut I needed a nick11:39
Superpelicanso I thought11:39
Sfiet_Konstantinsuperpelican's blog !11:40
Superpelicanwhat should I choose11:40
Superpelicanand then I thought11:40
Superpelicanlet's stop wasting time11:40
Sfiet_Konstantinidid you created your email when you were 12 ? :D11:40
Superpelicanand I just chose my email address11:40
Superpelicanas name11:41
Superpelicanand I became a member of more and more sites11:41
Superpelicanand chose for consticency11:41
Superpelicanor however you spell it11:41
Superpelicanand used the name Superpelican everywhere11:41
Superpelicanbut I needed a nick logo11:42
SuperpelicanI fired up GIMP11:42
Morpog_bbl need to eat11:42
Sfiet_KonstantinMorpog_: see ya11:42
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Superpelicaninkscape is a lot like LO draw11:45
Superpelicanthat's nice11:46
* Superpelican <3 too11:46
* Superpelican Superpelican <3 inkscape too11:46
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:But why is the Inkscape canvas not square?11:50
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Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: you can choose the size of the canevas11:52
Sfiet_Konstantinfile > something11:54
Sfiet_Konstantinsearch :P11:54
Superpelicanah file > document properties11:56
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:I've made it 512*512 like Morpog_ suggested11:57
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Morpog_yep, set the canvas to your base image size12:00
Morpog_for example 256x25612:00
Morpog_or 512x51212:00
Morpog_powers by 2 size is in my brain since I worked on skins/textures for a UT2004 Mod :)12:01
Morpog_made me shudder when i noticed harmattan icons where 80x8012:01
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Sfiet_KonstantinMorpog_: :D12:02
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Sfiet_Konstantin80x80 is strange (no pwoer of 2)12:02
Sfiet_Konstantinbut enough12:02
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Morpog_I noticed in Sailfish emulator, they are now 90x90 :)12:06
Morpog_would have prefered 96x96 :)12:07
SuperpelicanHow do you change the color of the pen in Inkscape?12:07
SuperpelicanIt keeps being black12:07
SuperpelicanIt doesn't matter if I choose "Set stroke" or "Set fill"12:08
SuperpelicanIt doesn't affect the pen12:08
Superpelicanonly the calligraphic pen12:08
Morpog_look on top toolbar12:08
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Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: right click on the color12:10
Sfiet_Konstantinselect contour12:10
SuperpelicanI've discovered it12:11
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Superpelicanthe bottom toolbar12:11
Morpogno, not there12:12
SuperpelicanAnd then click on the Stroke color12:12
SuperpelicanMorpog:But it works12:12
SuperpelicanI can now change the pen color12:12
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Morpogyes, when you click the stroke color first12:12
Superpelicanso you draw first12:13
Superpelicanand then select the color12:13
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Morpog_contour color (or how they call it in english)12:13
Superpelicanbut you have to click the stroke color rectangle first12:14
Superpelicanin the bottom toolbar12:14
Superpelicanotherwise it'll say "No objects"12:14
Superpelicanand you can't select a color12:14
Morpogah works ok too12:15
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Morpogi always used the right menu :)12:15
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Superpelicanit's useless, I can't draw :(12:18
Superpelicanthe clamshell looks like a mushroom12:18
Superpelicanand a very ugly one too12:19
SuperpelicanI can't draw with a mouse12:21
Superpelicanmaybe I can use some alternate tools12:24
Superpelicanlike bezier curve mode12:25
Morpogyou can use paths12:25
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ericcchi  fanweijie12:25
Sfiet_Konstantinericcc: who is fanwenjie ?12:28
Sfiet_Konstantinsounds like another chinese :)12:28
ericccyep   others  qt  programer12:28
Sfiet_Konstantinthat's awesome12:28
Sfiet_Konstantinchina people in #SailfishOS \o/12:29
Sfiet_Konstantincybette: ^12:29
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SuperpelicanMorpog:Can you rotate an object a little bit?12:35
Superpelicana few degrees12:35
Morpogclick in it with select tool12:36
Morpogthen click again12:36
Morpognotice the rotation symbols12:36
Superpelicanthanks awesome12:36
Superpelicaninkscape is a lot like LO Draw12:36
Superpelicanwhich I've used quite a few times12:36
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fanwenjieHello ,I'm fanwenjie ,developer of sailfishos12:38
SuperpelicanI think my bezier drawed base form is pretty decent12:38
fanwenjieAn appmarket on sailfishos12:38
Sfiet_Konstantinhello fanwenjie, wanna present yourself ?12:38
fanwenjiebut I face some problem12:39
fanwenjieso I need help12:40
Sfiet_Konstantinfanwenjie: na12:41
Sfiet_Konstantinfirst, present yourself :)12:41
Sfiet_KonstantinSfiet_Konstantin < Enthusiastic Dev for Nemo project, currently intern at Jolla, I'm french and have chinese blood :)12:41
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin: : What do you think? :)12:42
Nicd-Sfiet_Konstantin: in a bucket in your attic?12:42
fanwenjienice to meet you12:42
Superpelicannote:It's a screenshot12:43
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: we couldn't t find that page :D12:43
Sfiet_Konstantinfanwenjie: :)12:43
Superpelicansomething went wrong12:44
Sfiet_Konstantinso, if you want to skip the presentation step, fanwenjie, what's your problem ?12:44
Nicd-Superpelican: put a space after : so your links are clickable12:44
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: -_-12:44
Sfiet_Konstantinblue and acircle ?12:44
Superpelicanit's not finished12:44
Superpelicanit's the base12:44
SuperpelicanWhat do you think of the form?12:44
SuperpelicanIs it neat enough?12:45
SuperpelicanOr should I redo it?12:45
Superpelicanblue is the background12:45
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin: ^12:45
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: :D12:45
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: you know, it is something artistic12:45
Sfiet_Konstantinso it will never be finished12:45
Sfiet_Konstantinredoing is not the good idea12:46
Sfiet_Konstantintry to enhance it12:46
SuperpelicanI'll edit it a little bit12:46
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piggz_hi, just installed the sailfish qt5 sdk, getting qmake error: Fatal: This specfile does not have the qtc_* macros defined12:47
piggz_any tips?12:47
Sfiet_Konstantinpiggz_: :)12:47
Sfiet_Konstantinyes, open the .spec12:47
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Sfiet_Konstantinnot the spec, the yaml12:47
Sfiet_Konstantinsearch for the "Builder: xxx" line12:48
Sfiet_Konstantinreplace with "Builder: qtc5"12:48
Sfiet_Konstantincompile, hjave fun :)12:48
Sfiet_Konstantin:D well it should work piggz_, but if it do not, complain at me :P12:49
Sfiet_Konstantinfanwenjie: what is the aim of your app ?12:50
piggz_Sfiet_Konstantin: i'll try ... unlikely i'll have much fun today :/ it turns out im an idiot ... family holiday to geneva today, but yesterday we discovered my passport expired in June! so, ive had to see everyone off, and will get a passport on tuesday, to fly on wednesday ... hopfully i wont miss it all!12:50
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Sfiet_Konstantinpiggz_: :/12:51
Sfiet_Konstantinpiggz_: what is your nationality ?12:52
Sfiet_Konstantineuropean ?12:52
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin: enhanced a bit :)12:54
Superpelicandisclaimer:It's always going to look bad12:55
SuperpelicanI don't think I can make it much better than this12:55
Superpelicanif I had a Wacom tablet12:55
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Superpelicanthanks for the feedback12:56
Superpelicanthen I'll keep it like this12:56
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SuperpelicanI'll try to enhance it a tiny bit12:56
Superpelicanand finish it12:56
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piggz_Sfiet_Konstantin: ah, found it ... it is set correctly in a new project, but not set when opening an old, non-sailfush project13:00
piggz_is qt5svg on sailfish?13:01
piggz_ /opt/sdk/pgz-spaceinvaders-qt5/usr/bin/pgz-spaceinvaders-qt5: error while loading shared libraries: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory13:01
Sfiet_Konstantinpiggz_: Qt += svg ?13:02
Sfiet_Konstantinit is an addon module, not sure if it is in sailfish13:02
piggz_Sfiet_Konstantin: yes, ive got that line13:03
piggz_(btw, my connectivity is due to trail travel)13:03
Sfiet_Konstantinnp piggz_13:04
Sfiet_Konstantingo in SDK control (or better SSH into MerSDK vm)13:04
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Sfiet_Konstantinand "zypper se qt5-qtsvg"13:04
Sfiet_Konstantinor search "qt5-qtsvg" in SDK control13:04
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piggz_Sfiet_Konstantin: what s the login to login at the vm console?13:07
SuperpelicanMorpog:How do you stop the bezier pen?13:08
faenilpiggz_, ssh -o port=2223 root@localhost13:08
Superpelicanwhen I click on it again, everything I drawed with it is gone13:08
Sfiet_Konstantinpiggz_: nemo nemo13:08
faenilor root/nemo13:08
Sfiet_Konstantinroot/<blank> IIRC13:09
Sfiet_Konstantinnot sure13:09
faeniloh right, root/blank on emulator13:09
Sfiet_Konstantinaaah, it might be impossible to SSH into MerSDK13:09
Sfiet_Konstantinyou need the key13:09
faenilSfiet_Konstantin, his error is on running, not building, from what I see13:10
Morpogmer port is 222213:10
faenilso he wants to ssh into Emulator, not MerSDK, imho13:10
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Morpogand root login on mer sdk is root + rootme13:11
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: running ?13:11
Sfiet_Konstantinmissed it13:11
faenilSfiet_Konstantin, he gets what error at runtime13:11
faenilwell, it's about loading shared libs13:11
Sfiet_Konstantinpiggz_: add qt5-qtsvg in Requires ?13:11
Sfiet_Konstantin(in the yaml file)13:11
faenilthat's what I was about to say13:11
MorpogSuperpelican, press enter key when done13:12
Superpelicanwished I knew that earlier :(13:12
SuperpelicanI drawed half the Clamshell with the bezier pen13:12
Superpelicannow everything's gone13:13
Superpelicanlunch :)13:13
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piggz_Sfiet_Konstantin: faenil: can the emulator run landscape?
piggz_not bad for a first compile/run tho13:27
faenilpiggz_, are you using QtQuick2?13:27
faenilor QtQuick1 compatibility?13:27
faenilthat looks like QtQuick1 orientation issue13:28
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piggz_faenil: was a port of 1->213:29
faenilso it's using QtQuick213:29
faenilbut it's landscape only right?13:30
piggz_faenil: it should be landscape only ... im maybe missing something13:31
faenilthe thing is the resolution of the emulator is fixed, afaik13:31
piggz_for BB10 landscape i used BB api, not qtquick13:31
faeniland it's set with a VBoxManage command, at least that's how I do it in Nemo Wayland VM13:32
faenil(how I was told to do, actually)13:32
faenilI guess SailfishEmul does the same13:32
piggz_btw, how is your nemo work going?13:32
faenilpiggz_, good, good, finished porting voicecall-ui-reference yesterday, been debugging other stuff and fixing few packaging issues today13:33
zetazI don't know if the emulator window size is fixed, but the application window can be changed. It is was is done for hardware adaptation like on the ExoPC13:37
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zetazpiggz_ : take a look here at the part with width/height parameters :
zetaznot sure it is really what you want to do, but could be a hack the time to make some tests before using the proper API for landscape13:39
zetazon the new SDK, the file as moved to "/usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica/ApplicationWindow.qml"13:39
piggz_this has no silica code, just plain qml/qtquick213:43
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Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: you shouldn't use hard coded sizes14:00
Sfiet_KonstantinIMO better use ApplicationWindow as a basis to draw your app14:00
Sfiet_Konstantinput your app inside and it isok14:01
zetazSfiet_Konstantin: I agree. I just proposed it as a hack for testing only14:04
zetazI am using the new sdk emulator image on my tablet, so was doing these kind of hack to make it work...14:04
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zetazSfiet_Konstantin: by the way, don't know if you tried, but qt5/wayland on my packard bell butterfly works like a sharm, almost out of the box !14:05
Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: with what ?14:05
Sfiet_KonstantinMer ?14:05
Sfiet_KonstantinSailfish OS ?14:06
Sfiet_KonstantinNemo ?14:06
Sfiet_Konstantindid not looked about it yet14:06
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zetazlike with the ExoPC. Use the sailfish SDK emulator image on x86 devices14:07
Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: you just loaded it and it booted ?14:09
Sfiet_Konstantinwith the latest SDK ?14:09
Sfiet_Konstantinhum ...14:09
Sfiet_Konstantinmine needs hw adaptation, since it is an AMD cpu / gpu14:09
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zetazSfiet_Konstantin : I just finished to update the wiki page :
zetazSfiet_Konstantin: I had a lot to adapt on my try with last SDK, and some issues (stability mainly), but it seems perfect with this new one.14:15
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zetazI'll try to make a video to show the improvements, like the graphical effects that now work (glow for example)14:17
Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: cool14:18
Sfiet_Konstantinsounds nice14:18
Sfiet_Konstantinawesome :)14:18
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zetazSfiet_Konstantin: the bug in the first sdk that didn't allowed to use port 22 on remote devices (default to 65535...) is now corrected.14:41
zetazI can compile, upload and run from my desktop computer directly to my tablet14:41
zetazgreat !14:41
Sfiet_Konstantinthat's awesome news14:42
Sfiet_Konstantinwill do a port asap i think14:42
zetazSfiet_Konstantin: I will document what I have done in the afternoon (still trying to understand some things now)14:43
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Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: cool14:43
Sfiet_Konstantinthanks !14:43
faenilgreat zetaz :)14:43
zetazSfiet_Konstantin: Do you know why the app doesn't appear in the app list ?14:43
Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: yes, if you did not compiled it with "deploy as RPM"14:43
zetazsaid differently, do you know where the list of app shown is ?14:43
zetazok, thanks14:44
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Sfiet_Konstantinin /usr/share/applications/*.desktop14:44
zetazSfiet_Konstantin: when it upload through sftp, there is the "/usr/share/applications/HelloWorld.desktop" file, but it doesn't appear14:46
zetazwait, it is here, but with no icon14:47
Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: icons might appear with reboot14:47
zetazI can click on it and something tries to run, but crash...14:47
Sfiet_Konstantinjournalctl -fa14:47
Sfiet_Konstantinand you might check the Icon=xxxxx field of the .deskop file14:47
zetazok, seems the icon didn't exist14:50
zetazchanged it with one that exist, and rebooting to see if it displays it now...14:50
Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: check in /usr/share/icons/theme/jolla-ambiant/meegotouch/icons14:50
Sfiet_Konstantinbtw, boot speed ?14:50
zetazSfiet_Konstantin: not the fastest I have seen, but it is probably not tuned to my hardware14:51
zetazIcon now appears !14:51
Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: :)14:51
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zetazSfiet_Konstantin: still crashing if I launch it from the icon...14:53
Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: journal ?14:53
zetazit works when launched from QtCreator remotely however.14:54
zetazI have some trouble to decipher the journal, I am on it14:54
Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: just paste all the events :D14:56
Sfiet_Konstantinstart journal, launch app, wait it to crash, paste the journal14:56
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zetazSfiet_Konstantin: give me one minute to try to understand what it outputs, and then I will use all the available help ! :D14:57
Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: :)14:58
Sfiet_KonstantinI'm guessing: cannot load shared object14:58
Sfiet_Konstantinso you might just need to do invoker --type=j (or q)14:58
Sfiet_Konstantinright now14:58
Sfiet_Konstantinbecause you need to compile with support of mapplauncherd14:58
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zetazok, I dig a bit in the differences between QtCreator and the icon shortcut. QtCreator directly launch /usr/bin/HelloWorld (work perfectly if i launch it by hand with ssh), whereas the shortcut launches "invoker --type=silica-qt5 -s /usr/bin/HelloWorld"15:01
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zetaznever seen this invoker command before. The help says "Launch applications compiled as a shared library (-shared) or a position independent executable (-pie) through mapplauncherd."15:03
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Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: yep15:05
Sfiet_Konstantinnot using mapplauncherd15:05
Sfiet_Konstantininvoker actually helps your app loading faster15:05
Sfiet_Konstantinit uses precreated instances of QQuickView and sailfish components, so your app just uses these precreated stuff15:06
Sfiet_Konstantinyou need to do some additional stuff for making it use invoker15:06
Sfiet_Konstantinbut i forgot what15:06
zetazSo the messages of use in the journal must be the ones of the command "booster-silica-qt5"15:07
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zetazSfiet_Konstantin: here is the journal output :
Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: as a workaround use invoket --type=j in the desktop file15:08
zetaz"/usr/bin/HelloWorld: cannot dynamically load executable"15:09
zetazSfiet_Konstantin: ok15:09
zetazSfiet_Konstantin: do I need to keep the -s flag (single instance) ?15:10
Sfiet_Konstantinif you want it to be single instance15:10
Sfiet_Konstantinit do not change anythign15:10
zetazit works now !15:10
zetazSfiet_Konstantin: can you explain me what is the difference with this type ?15:11
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Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: well, I'm not really sure, but it depends on the level of stuff loaded. -q is trying to preload Qt stuff (like QGuiApplication etc)15:16
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Sfiet_Konstantin-j might be trying to load jolla stuff, and sailfish-silica is for the whole silica machinery15:16
SuperpelicanAh Sfiet_Konstantin I see you've already sent your main.cpp to the ML :)15:18
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: trying to be helpful15:18
Sfiet_Konstantinthat's all15:18
Superpelican:nod: :)15:19
SuperpelicanI was just thinking15:19
Superpelicanif I shouldn't mail your solution ;)15:19
Superpelicanwith of course the credits :D15:21
Sfiet_KonstantinI don't care about credits15:21
Sfiet_Konstantinhere it is more about providing the solution :)15:22
SuperpelicanYes, but I think it would be a bit evil of me to steal your solution15:22
Sfiet_Konstantinit is not stealing :)15:22
SuperpelicanWell, it would look just like I invented it15:22
Superpelicanwhich is not true15:23
sardiniwell, how to close "hello sailors" app ?15:24
sardiniforget it15:25
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Superpelicanswipe from the left edge to the right15:26
Superpelicanjust like all Sailfish apps15:26
Superpelicanthen when your on the homescreen15:26
Superpelicanlongpress the cover on the homescreen15:26
Superpelicanand then a X will appear15:26
sardininot very easy with a mouse15:26
sardinibut it's ok, ty15:27
Superpelicansardini:What's your screen resolution?15:27
Nicd-Superpelican: oh so that's how you close a cover app15:27
Superpelicanthen your emulator should fit on the screen15:28
ibinssardini: Alternatively you could swipe from the edge on the top down to the bottom while being in the app itself15:28
Superpelicanon my computer there are scrollbars15:28
Superpelicanibins:Isn't that Harmattan only?15:28
ibinsSuperpelican: In Alpha 2 this is implemented like in Harmattan15:29
SuperpelicanAh nice15:29
Superpelicandidn't know :)15:29
Superpelicanawesome it works! :D15:29
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:chris responded on the ML :)15:30
Superpelicanoh looks like he responded to Martin15:31
Morpogswipe down to close sardini, just like on N915:31
Morpogoh, i should read to the end before posting :)15:31
* Superpelican loves new close way15:31
sardiniSfiet_Konstantin, the app launch (with warning) but I see nothing15:32
ibinsMorpog: As nice as this feature is, it couldn't be repeated too often :-)15:32
Sfiet_Konstantinsardini: what do you mean nothing ?15:32
Sfiet_Konstantinnot even a place hoder saying pull the pulley menu ?15:32
Sfiet_Konstantinsardini: try to pull the pulley menu15:33
sardiniI ll try again15:34
Sfiet_Konstantinwhat are the warnings ?15:34
sardiniqtC say it's run, and in emulator I see nothing15:35
Sfiet_Konstantinsardini: damn15:35
Sfiet_Konstantinthat qt graphical effects15:35
Sfiet_Konstantingo to the CityPage.qml15:35
Sfiet_Konstantinand remove the import QtGraphicalEffects 1.015:36
Sfiet_Konstantinsardini: ^^15:37
zetazSfiet_Konstantin: I wrote down what I have done, with your help :
zetazSfiet_Konstantin: Hope I didn't forget anything15:37
zetazSfiet_Konstantin: thanks for the help !!15:37
Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: for the help ? :D15:37
Sfiet_Konstantinyou are helping us :)15:37
Sfiet_Konstantinwill look at it when having time15:38
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zetazSfiet_Konstantin: damn, never write this line, it makes me remember that I actually forgot something.... ;)15:38
zetazSfiet_Konstantin: I mean never write : "Hope I didn't forget anything"15:38
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stephghihi anyone about?15:39
Sfiet_Konstantinstephg: anyone about ?15:39
stephghola Sfiet_Konstantin15:40
Sfiet_Konstantinsardini: any news ?15:40
Sfiet_Konstantinthat should work ?15:40
stephgI'm on holiday but I just wanted to drop in and say woo about the SDK release :)15:40
zetazSfiet_Konstantin: It's great that I can help the community, but you really helped me here ;)15:40
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: hihi :D15:40
Sfiet_Konstantinstill very amateurish :)15:41
SuperpelicanI know15:41
Sfiet_Konstantinbut at least it looks like something15:41
Superpelicanbut it's the best it'll get15:41
Sfiet_Konstantinremove the background and make the lines thicker15:41
Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: :)15:41
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sardinioops big bug, when I try to add a city15:43
Sfiet_Konstantinsardini: that is ?15:44
sardininow it's ok15:44
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:Not sure what I did, but it look pretty nice :D :
Superpelicanaccidently pressed some button15:45
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: hihi15:45
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sardiniok nice Sfiet_Konstantin :)15:46
Sfiet_Konstantinsardini: so ?15:47
sardinisdk a bit slow, that's why sometimes I don't understand the app15:47
Sfiet_Konstantinsardini: swipe left to right to see attached page :)15:47
sardininote for jolla-guy, when we must enter a text, it's not very clear15:48
sardinimaybe a fine line to show where to  type text15:49
Sfiet_Konstantinsardini: there is a placeholder text15:50
Sfiet_Konstantini find it ok15:50
sardinineed to do the thumbnail15:52
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SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:And what do you think of this one: ?15:58
Sfiet_Konstantinremove the background blue D:15:58
Sfiet_Konstantinvery pretty :)15:58
SuperpelicanI already changed the color15:58
SuperpelicanSo you think it's good enough if I remove the background?15:59
pieewhy usr pic?15:59
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pieeuse  why  not15:59
Sfiet_Konstantinpiee: are you chinese (as well ?) :)16:00
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:Seriously: Inkscape > Help > About Memory :D16:01
Superpelicanmost geeky drawing program ever ;)16:02
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: useful16:02
Sfiet_Konstantinto debug16:02
Sfiet_Konstantinor see thazt you have a lot of memory used16:02
Sfiet_Konstantini like it16:02
Sfiet_Konstantinit is not really geeky16:03
Sfiet_Konstantinit is a good program that's all :)16:03
Superpelicanyou have a system monitor :)16:03
Superpelicanfor that purpose16:03
Superpelicanit eats 819 mb16:03
pieei   am  ericccc16:04
* Superpelican runs away screaming16:04
Sfiet_Konstantinpiee: haha16:04
Sfiet_Konstantinwb piee ericcc16:04
Sfiet_Konstantinpiee: they are drawing stuff for their apps16:04
Sfiet_Konstantinnothing interesting16:04
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican is learning how to use inkscape (a drawing sw)16:05
pieeuse picture is fast16:05
Sfiet_Konstantinpiee: what do you mean ?16:06
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pieedraw is  too dificult16:07
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:lol, Inkscape > Help > Ask us a question : "Why does your program eat as much memory as my whole OS + Firefox + Thunderbird + Konversation uses!?"16:07
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SuperpelicanI'm not that bad16:09
SuperpelicanI didn't actually ask that question16:09
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: :D16:09
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:Should I add numbers to the clamshell?16:19
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Superpelicanit is a multiplication table practising app after all :)16:19
Superpelicaneach area a number on it?16:20
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: why not :)16:20
SuperpelicanI'm worried it'll ruin it16:20
Superpelicanof course I can do save as...16:20
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SuperpelicanI'll use the awesome new oxygen kde font :D16:22
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Sfiet_Konstantinoxygen kde font ?16:24
SuperpelicanAt least on openSUSE 12.3 with KDE 4.10 I have it16:25
Superpelicanmaybe it's an openSUSE font then16:25
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zetazSfiet_Konstantin: now running from hard-drive with multi-boot (From a Fedora 19 Grub2) ;) (It must be the first time where almost everything I touch works from the first time !)16:36
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: oxygen don't have a font, do they ?16:36
Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: :)16:36
Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: I'm doing some triple boot on my tab now16:36
Sfiet_Konstantinlike fedora 18 / sailfish SDK alpha X / Sailfish SDK alpha WL16:37
Sfiet_Konstantinbut the WL version don't want to bring the wifi on16:37
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zetazthere must be about 10 entries in my grub (several kernels for each distrib), with 2 fedora version, a Win8 (I don't know why it's still here ;) ) and now sailfish16:38
Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: the iconia don't have enough hdd to do that :(16:38
zetazSfiet_Konstantin: didn't tried the wifi yet, as I a working at 1 meter from my box...16:39
Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: how did you get internet working on your device ? wired connecton ?16:39
Sfiet_Konstantinmine don't have an ethernet port16:39
Sfiet_Konstantinso wifi needed  :(16:39
zetazSfiet_Konstantin: you made me think that there are a lot of connectors on my tabletPC, so I just tried another one : HDMI16:43
zetazSfiet_Konstantin: I works !16:43
zetazI have a 24" Sailfish :D16:43
Sfiet_KonstantinIMO the hdmi port is hw managed, so sailfish don't need to care about it16:44
zetazShould I say "#IAmTheFirstOne" ? ;)16:44
Sfiet_Konstantinbut I might be wrong16:44
zetazSfiet_Konstantin: yes probably, it works as a pure copy16:44
zetazI have both screens displaying the same thing16:44
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Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: good for a presentation16:46
Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: first app to install on it: ambiancechanger16:46
Sfiet_Konstantinand I wonder how weatherfish would look on that kind of screens16:47
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zetazSfiet_Konstantin: I am still playing with an empty Hello World project, but sure, once everything is ok, I have to test with real apps !16:48
Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: git clone some of the apps in the sailfishapps github repo16:49
Sfiet_Konstantinmost of them are pretty good16:49
Sfiet_Konstantintweetian is also awesome16:49
* Superpelican checks out sailfishapps on github16:49
Sfiet_Konstantin(sadly I never really made it work :()16:49
Sfiet_Konstantinand I wonder if it is ported16:49
Sfiet_Konstantinmine are more demo-like than pure apps16:50
zetazthanks for the github repo name, I will try16:51
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:Too bad for grrok16:53
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: yep16:55
SuperpelicanMaybe they can modify it16:55
Superpelicanso it can become a stand alone RSS reader16:55
Stskeepszetaz: got a photo of the 24" sailfish, ooi?16:56
zetazStskeeps: not yet, I have to take some capture on both the device and it16:57
zetazStskeeps: you want to see something in particular ?16:57
Stskeepsnah, just curious16:57
zetazStskeeps: If you want to smile, I managed to make Sailfish run on my computer, but can't even found how to make some text to wrap on the next line in QML... ;)16:58
zetazshouldn't "wrapMode: Text.Wrap" do it ?16:58
Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: you also have to set the size of the text / label component16:59
Sfiet_Konstantinlike with: parent.width16:59
Sfiet_Konstantinor anchors.left: parent.left; anchors.right: parent.right17:00
Sfiet_Konstantinby default, the size is null, if you do word wrapping17:00
Sfiet_Konstantinit is non-null if you don't do word wrapping17:00
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zetazSfiet_Konstantin: thanks, I will try17:09
Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: :)17:10
Sfiet_KonstantinQML is beautiful and fast17:10
Sfiet_Konstantinand sometimes arcanic17:10
zetazperfect !17:11
zetazSfiet_Konstantin: Learning QML is on my todo list for a while, but as I mainly work with desktop devices, it is less needed than on sailfish. Now that I have a complete working setup, I think it will be easier to learn it17:12
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:I'm (not quite proud) to present you the final version of my clamshell logo:
Superpelicanand this time it's the actual image in SVG17:13
Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: I started to learn with Qt4 desktop17:13
Sfiet_Konstantinand done most of my work on desktop17:13
Sfiet_Konstantinimo qml dev on desktop is easier to learn17:13
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: it is super cute and nice17:13
Sfiet_Konstantini like it actually :)17:13
SuperpelicanI'm happy to hear that :)17:13
SuperpelicanNow I finally have a Cover for my app17:14
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:But which size are covers on Sailfish?17:14
SuperpelicanI'll need to scale it down a bit I think17:14
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: dunno17:14
Sfiet_Konstantinbetter read the docs for that17:14
Superpelicanyou can actually open a query with yourself :D17:15
Superpelicanit echoes everything you say17:15
Superpelicanok thanks17:15
SuperpelicanI'll read the docs then17:15
Superpelicanhmm this doesn't mention anything about the actual image: :(17:16
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Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: :D ?17:17
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:I removed the temptation17:18
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Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: :17:19
zetazSfiet_Konstantin: It is probably simpler, but I never actually needed it on desktop, so didn't spent time to learn it. But on mobile devices, to benefit of all the animations and gestures I will need it.17:19
Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: imo, on desktop, it is good to do some small eyecandy sometimes17:20
Sfiet_Konstantinand honestly, widgets are sometimes pita17:20
Sfiet_KonstantinI was first like everyone out there: declarative SCRIPT language in Qt ?17:20
Sfiet_Konstantinare you kidding me, C++ is the way to go, performances blabla17:21
Sfiet_Konstantinand then I tried QML, and when my dev time got cut by 3 I understood the benefits of QML :)17:21
SuperpelicanSfiet_Konstantin:Is it possible to use a .svg as cover?17:25
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: think so17:25
Sfiet_Konstantinbut better use png17:25
Sfiet_Konstantinit will be faster to load a png than to render a (complex) png17:26
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zetazSfiet_Konstantin: I have the habit to generate interface from xml config files or other dynamical data. Can you do it in QML ? ;) But on the whole I agree with you. Only that I can't be everywhere...17:27
Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: can't you do that17:28
Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: no, it can be but like widgets, it is about 85-95% of the usage17:29
Sfiet_Konstantinyou still have corner cases of cause17:29
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MorpogSuperpelican, are you still working on your clamshell icon?17:33
SuperpelicanMorpog:I finished it17:33
Morpogah fine :)17:33
MorpogI made one too, because I was bored17:33
SuperpelicanHave to leave now though :(17:34
SuperpelicanMaybe bbl17:34
Sfiet_KonstantinSuperpelican: night the super hero for the birds17:34
Morpogcan send you the SVG, If you like it17:35
Sfiet_KonstantinMorpog: are you serious :O17:35
Sfiet_Konstantinit is so awesome17:35
Morpogthx, was more of a learning session for me :) still need to learn alot in inkscape17:36
Sfiet_KonstantinMorpog: :O17:37
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MorpogI guess he missed it :)17:39
zetazSfiet_Konstantin: it takes about 20 seconds to boot from grub17:41
Sfiet_Konstantinzetaz: ok17:42
Sfiet_Konstantinseems to be slower than with the X11 version17:42
Sfiet_Konstantin20s is still ok though17:42
zetazhow is it possible to make a video of a glossy screen ....17:48
zetazthink it will be easier to film the 24" monitor17:48
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sardinihello, a trick to reload the Cover ?19:38
sardinimaybe this is done automatically19:39
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Yanielwhat cover?19:45
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sardinicover when app is reduced19:50
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zetazSfiet_Konstantin: just tried the ambiancechanger. works ok, only had to hack it a bit to add "DEPLOYMENT_PREFIX=/usr/" in the globals.pri file (and in *.desktop), so it deploys somewhere where it has write access20:25
zetazbut for tweetian, more work is needed to make it Qt5 compatible...20:26
zetazfirst error is that it says that the dbus module is not availlable, then there are classes that moved from gui to widgets module. Didn't go in the details.20:27
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sardiniseems there is no Timer {} qml with saiilfish sdk20:49
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specialdid you forget 'import QtQuick 2.0'?20:50
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sardinino no, but if you tell me there is Timer{} the error is mine20:54
specialTimer is provided by QtQuick, it is there and does work20:57
zetazSfiet_Konstantin: weatherfish app runs perfectly too, and it looks good ! However, to build it I had to comment the line "import QtGraphicalEffects 1.0" in the file "pages/CityPage.qml".21:00
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