Monday, 2013-09-16

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locusf <- huge news :)09:09
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Sfiet_Konstantinhey MFaro-Tusino10:57
MFaro-TusinoLucien :D How are you?10:58
Sfiet_Konstantinquite fine10:59
Sfiet_Konstantinschool now10:59
Sfiet_KonstantinI wasted 3h of my day today10:59
Sfiet_Konstantinlistening about virtualization10:59
Sfiet_Konstantinat least the professor cracked some good jokes10:59
Sfiet_Konstantinat least I hacked a bit11:00
Sfiet_Konstantinhaving some ambitous projects these days11:00
Sfiet_Konstantintrying to catch up on Nemo and do UI refresh with them11:01
Sfiet_Konstantinor invent a new programming lanugage11:01
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MFaro-TusinoInvent new programming language (Y)11:04
Sfiet_KonstantinMFaro-Tusino: read my blog11:05
Sfiet_Konstantinthe C-+11:05
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MFaro-TusinoI like the idea mate11:08
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Sfiet_KonstantinMFaro-Tusino: thanks for the comment on the blog11:23
Sfiet_Konstantinright now it is still close to fiction, but I hope that I can come with something at some point :)11:23
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MFaro-TusinoIf you do, i'd love to see if i could implement something using it :)11:26
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MFaro-TusinoCan any of the Sailors answer some questions about the Android App Layer?11:32
Aardcan yes, but not sure if I will.11:33
MFaro-TusinoJust curious about the way it integrates into the system, in the sense of security.11:34
Sfiet_KonstantinMFaro-Tusino: since you are a dev and your device will be rooted, then why are you asking about security :P:P:P11:36
Aardas in, implementing android security, or making wholes into security of the rest of the system?11:36
MFaro-TusinoShhh Lucien ;)11:37
MFaro-TusinoAard: As in will Android App Layer be sandboxed, thus any vulnerabilities (or Android Malware) be isolated and not affect Sailfish11:38
Aarddo you have some android malware for me to try? :)11:38
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MFaro-TusinoI'll try and get some :p11:40
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Yanielthat shouldn't be hard11:41
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* Aard is not an android user. I only run a handful of useful apps on my jolla, but don't have an android phone11:41
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MFaro-TusinoI'll only ever use a handful also (currently only use 2 on my BB10 devices), but its just something (as a user) I'd like to know11:44
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benmcnellyhello all, I was looking on the website but didn't find what I was looking for14:09
benmcnellyI have a nexus 4, can I build and run sailfish on it?14:09
Yanielno, not yet at least AFAIK14:10
Yanieltake a look at Mer and Nemo14:11
Yanielbut I guess those two still lack drivers for the nexus too14:11
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Sfiet_Konstantinhello DarkSim !17:23
Sfiet_Konstantinhi Venemo_ as well17:23
DarkSimMust say that I love what you're doing with Sailfish17:23
Sfiet_Konstantinhow was smartdevcon Venemo_ ?17:23
Sfiet_KonstantinDarkSim: :)17:23
Venemo_Sfiet_Konstantin: it was awesome17:23
DarkSimEven though I haven't had any chance to see it in action or don't know that much of it17:23
Sfiet_KonstantinVenemo_: It looked awesome, even if I was just following tweets :)17:23
Sfiet_KonstantinDarkSim: there are plenty of vids on internet17:23
DarkSimOh, hehe17:24
DarkSimShould be some pictures on the website though17:24
Venemo_Sfiet_Konstantin: there was streaming, too, did you watch?17:24
Venemo_DarkSim: you can watch all the stuff on videos, I think17:24
Sfiet_KonstantinVenemo_: I was at school17:25
Sfiet_Konstantinso missed most of them17:25
Sfiet_Konstantinespecially Veskuh17:25
Sfiet_Konstantinand there seems to be quite a lot of nice conferenes17:25
Sfiet_Konstantindark side of ios17:25
Sfiet_Konstantinqt tizen17:25
Sfiet_Konstantinasha platform17:26
Sfiet_KonstantinI hope everything is on vid17:26
DarkSimI wonder if Sailfish will be more open to complete changes to the OS17:26
DarkSimlike Android have with launchers17:26
DarkSimand hopefully even further17:26
Sfiet_KonstantinDarkSim: technically, nothing is preventing you to do that17:26
Sfiet_Konstantinhowever you will need to do some small hacks17:27
Sfiet_Konstantinlike writing your own "lipstick" homescreen17:27
Sfiet_Konstantin(that's the equivalent of writing a launcher in Android world)17:27
DarkSimSo how much actually is done with Sailfish17:28
Venemo_you are not even obliged to use lipstick but it makes things easier17:28
Sfiet_Konstantinhint: explore the SDK and try to look at the architecture, then try to read what's in the binaries, or what's inside the QML files17:28
Sfiet_KonstantinDarkSim: how much ?17:28
DarkSimLike...can you use it today? even though there isn't much of a app ecosystem yet17:28
Sfiet_KonstantinDarkSim: hum, ask Jolla devs17:28
DarkSimDoes all the core functions work but there just isn't any apps17:28
Venemo_you can use Nemo, but it's not in the right shape yet17:28
Sfiet_Konstantinthey might be able to use it17:28
Sfiet_Konstantinbut Sailfish is not out for hackers17:28
Venemo_Sfiet_Konstantin: videos will be available in a couple of weeks17:28
Sfiet_KonstantinNemo is17:28
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Sfiet_KonstantinVenemo_: awesome17:28
Sfiet_KonstantinNemo is seeking helping hands too :)17:29
DarkSimWould be wonderful to wipe Android from my phone and run Sailfish later on17:29
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Sfiet_KonstantinDarkSim: ah ?17:29
Sfiet_KonstantinDarkSim: are you a hacker of some sort ?17:29
DarkSimNot really17:29
Sfiet_Konstantindo you know a bit of C++ ?17:29
DarkSimbut I have rooted my phone and I'm running custom ROM's as of now17:29
Sfiet_Konstantinor are you willing to learn ?17:29
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DarkSimNo not really, maybe I'm not supposed to be here17:29
Sfiet_Konstantinbecause Mer / Nemo / Sailfish is not really ready for tinkeres17:30
Sfiet_Konstantinit is ready for hackers, but I call tinkerers those that just read tutos and flash their phones17:30
Sfiet_Konstantinhackers don't hesitate in digging into the OS, getting their hands dirty etc17:30
Sfiet_KonstantinDarkSim: do you want to be a hacker :) ?17:30
DarkSimI'm too stupid for that I'm afraid17:31
Sfiet_KonstantinDarkSim: if not, just wait some more month17:31
Sfiet_KonstantinDarkSim: noone is too stupid17:31
DarkSimIf so I'm definetly a low-class tinkerer17:32
Sfiet_KonstantinDarkSim: more a low-self esteem tinkerer :)17:32
Sfiet_Konstantinbut you can still just watch the community17:32
Sfiet_Konstantinparticipate on IRC17:32
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Sfiet_Konstantincomments when people are discussiong (like UI on Nemo mobile)17:32
Sfiet_Konstantinit is nice to have people on board :)17:32
Sfiet_Konstantinbut you have to wait17:32
Sfiet_Konstantindo you know the difference between Sailfish and Nemo ?17:32
DarkSimNo idea17:33
Sfiet_KonstantinWell, let's start with Mer project then17:33
Sfiet_KonstantinMer is a core Linux OS, that provides no UI. It provides useful libraries, and is a basis for mobile oriented OS17:33
Sfiet_KonstantinNemo is built on top of Mer, it aims at creating a fully open sourced, and modern mobile os17:34
Sfiet_Konstantinit might be a good way to replace Harmattan OS on Nokia N9 for example17:34
Sfiet_Konstantinor maybe even android17:34
Sfiet_Konstantinbut it is a project that is mostly developed by volunteers, so it evolves slowly17:35
Sfiet_KonstantinSailfish uses both Mer and Nemo and contributes back17:35
Sfiet_Konstantinthey use a lot of Nemo middleware, and provides bugfixes etc17:35
Sfiet_Konstantinbut they build their own ui17:35
Sfiet_Konstantinright now, their ui is not opensourced17:35
Sfiet_Konstantinso if you want sailfish on your phone, we advice to start playing with nemo17:35
Sfiet_Konstantingetting sailfish is a matter of changing packages to replace the ui17:36
Sfiet_Konstantinand contributing to nemo helps everybody, the community, Jolla, Sailfish etc.17:36
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DarkSimSorry for slow response18:40
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DarkSimbeen a lot going on lately hah18:40
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DarkSimOk I think I get it18:47
DarkSimit's much more like a traditional Linux desktop OS18:47
DarkSimbut for a phone18:47
DarkSimwith Distros, forks, DE's and packages18:47
DarkSim(mind that I have quite limited knowledge with Linux desktop as well)18:47
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DarkSimSo why doesn't Jolla go all the way and make everything open-source?21:26
DarkSimSeems like a strange thing to do to let the whole OS except UI be open21:27
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Yanielbecause the other phone manufacturers would copy it before jolla could release theirs?21:29
Yanieland possibly patent21:29 does that mean once it's fully released, they would drop the closed source?21:29
DarkSimand what implications does closing the UI have on the user?21:30
Yanielthat's roughly what I have understood from twitter21:30
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DarkSimIf only I didn't already have a quite new phone21:32
DarkSimThis thing looks so damn cool21:32
Yanielmy current one does not seem like I can trust it for long (sort of breaking apart, both hw and sw -wise)21:34
DarkSimMine is just fine, sadly :P21:34
DarkSimBut it's not even 1.5 years old21:34
Yaniel+ I already preordered :D21:34
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DarkSimalthough that "other half" part is really cheesy21:40
DarkSimunless I get a whole bunch of those plates it's just a way to make some easy merchandise cash, imo21:40
Yanieland they have to be really easy to swap too21:41
Yanielbut not fall off by themselves21:41
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