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| locusf | https://twitter.com/JollaHQ/status/379531060549132289/photo/1 <- huge news :) | 09:09 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | ahoy! | 10:20 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | hey MFaro-Tusino | 10:57 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Lucien :D How are you? | 10:58 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | quite fine | 10:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | school now | 10:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :( | 10:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I wasted 3h of my day today | 10:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | listening about virtualization | 10:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :/ | 10:59 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | at least the professor cracked some good jokes | 10:59 |
| MFaro-Tusino | hahah | 11:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | at least I hacked a bit | 11:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | having some ambitous projects these days | 11:00 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | trying to catch up on Nemo and do UI refresh with them | 11:01 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or invent a new programming lanugage | 11:01 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | Invent new programming language (Y) | 11:04 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | MFaro-Tusino: read my blog | 11:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | the C-+ | 11:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | MFaro-Tusino: https://sfietkonstantin.wordpress.com/2013/08/18/thoughts-and-experiments-c/ | 11:05 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 11:05 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | I like the idea mate | 11:08 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 11:09 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | MFaro-Tusino: thanks for the comment on the blog | 11:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | right now it is still close to fiction, but I hope that I can come with something at some point :) | 11:23 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | If you do, i'd love to see if i could implement something using it :) | 11:26 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | Can any of the Sailors answer some questions about the Android App Layer? | 11:32 |
| Aard | can yes, but not sure if I will. | 11:33 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Just curious about the way it integrates into the system, in the sense of security. | 11:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | MFaro-Tusino: since you are a dev and your device will be rooted, then why are you asking about security :P:P:P | 11:36 |
| Aard | as in, implementing android security, or making wholes into security of the rest of the system? | 11:36 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Shhh Lucien ;) | 11:37 |
| MFaro-Tusino | Aard: As in will Android App Layer be sandboxed, thus any vulnerabilities (or Android Malware) be isolated and not affect Sailfish | 11:38 |
| Aard | do you have some android malware for me to try? :) | 11:38 |
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| MFaro-Tusino | I'll try and get some :p | 11:40 |
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| Yaniel | that shouldn't be hard | 11:41 |
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| * Aard is not an android user. I only run a handful of useful apps on my jolla, but don't have an android phone | 11:41 | |
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| MFaro-Tusino | I'll only ever use a handful also (currently only use 2 on my BB10 devices), but its just something (as a user) I'd like to know | 11:44 |
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| benmcnelly | hello all, I was looking on the website but didn't find what I was looking for | 14:09 |
| benmcnelly | I have a nexus 4, can I build and run sailfish on it? | 14:09 |
| Yaniel | no, not yet at least AFAIK | 14:10 |
| benmcnelly | alright | 14:11 |
| Yaniel | take a look at Mer and Nemo | 14:11 |
| Yaniel | but I guess those two still lack drivers for the nexus too | 14:11 |
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| DarkSim | Hello! | 17:21 |
| Venemo_ | hey | 17:21 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hello DarkSim ! | 17:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hi Venemo_ as well | 17:23 |
| DarkSim | Must say that I love what you're doing with Sailfish | 17:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | how was smartdevcon Venemo_ ? | 17:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | DarkSim: :) | 17:23 |
| Venemo_ | Sfiet_Konstantin: it was awesome | 17:23 |
| DarkSim | Even though I haven't had any chance to see it in action or don't know that much of it | 17:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Venemo_: It looked awesome, even if I was just following tweets :) | 17:23 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | DarkSim: there are plenty of vids on internet | 17:23 |
| DarkSim | Oh, hehe | 17:24 |
| DarkSim | Should be some pictures on the website though | 17:24 |
| Venemo_ | Sfiet_Konstantin: there was streaming, too, did you watch? | 17:24 |
| Venemo_ | DarkSim: you can watch all the stuff on videos, I think | 17:24 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Venemo_: I was at school | 17:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so missed most of them | 17:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | especially Veskuh | 17:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and there seems to be quite a lot of nice conferenes | 17:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | dark side of ios | 17:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | qt tizen | 17:25 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | asha platform | 17:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | etc. | 17:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | I hope everything is on vid | 17:26 |
| DarkSim | I wonder if Sailfish will be more open to complete changes to the OS | 17:26 |
| DarkSim | like Android have with launchers | 17:26 |
| DarkSim | and hopefully even further | 17:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | DarkSim: technically, nothing is preventing you to do that | 17:26 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | however you will need to do some small hacks | 17:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | like writing your own "lipstick" homescreen | 17:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | (that's the equivalent of writing a launcher in Android world) | 17:27 |
| DarkSim | So how much actually is done with Sailfish | 17:28 |
| Venemo_ | you are not even obliged to use lipstick but it makes things easier | 17:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hint: explore the SDK and try to look at the architecture, then try to read what's in the binaries, or what's inside the QML files | 17:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | DarkSim: how much ? | 17:28 |
| DarkSim | Like...can you use it today? even though there isn't much of a app ecosystem yet | 17:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | DarkSim: hum, ask Jolla devs | 17:28 |
| DarkSim | Does all the core functions work but there just isn't any apps | 17:28 |
| Venemo_ | you can use Nemo, but it's not in the right shape yet | 17:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | they might be able to use it | 17:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but Sailfish is not out for hackers | 17:28 |
| Venemo_ | Sfiet_Konstantin: videos will be available in a couple of weeks | 17:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Nemo is | 17:28 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Venemo_: awesome | 17:28 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Nemo is seeking helping hands too :) | 17:29 |
| DarkSim | Would be wonderful to wipe Android from my phone and run Sailfish later on | 17:29 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | DarkSim: ah ? | 17:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | DarkSim: are you a hacker of some sort ? | 17:29 |
| DarkSim | Not really | 17:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | do you know a bit of C++ ? | 17:29 |
| DarkSim | but I have rooted my phone and I'm running custom ROM's as of now | 17:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or are you willing to learn ? | 17:29 |
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| DarkSim | No not really, maybe I'm not supposed to be here | 17:29 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | because Mer / Nemo / Sailfish is not really ready for tinkeres | 17:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is ready for hackers, but I call tinkerers those that just read tutos and flash their phones | 17:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | hackers don't hesitate in digging into the OS, getting their hands dirty etc | 17:30 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | DarkSim: do you want to be a hacker :) ? | 17:30 |
| DarkSim | I'm too stupid for that I'm afraid | 17:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | DarkSim: if not, just wait some more month | 17:31 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | DarkSim: noone is too stupid | 17:31 |
| DarkSim | If so I'm definetly a low-class tinkerer | 17:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | DarkSim: more a low-self esteem tinkerer :) | 17:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but you can still just watch the community | 17:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | participate on IRC | 17:32 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | comments when people are discussiong (like UI on Nemo mobile) | 17:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it is nice to have people on board :) | 17:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but you have to wait | 17:32 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | do you know the difference between Sailfish and Nemo ? | 17:32 |
| DarkSim | No idea | 17:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Well, let's start with Mer project then | 17:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Mer is a core Linux OS, that provides no UI. It provides useful libraries, and is a basis for mobile oriented OS | 17:33 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Nemo is built on top of Mer, it aims at creating a fully open sourced, and modern mobile os | 17:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | it might be a good way to replace Harmattan OS on Nokia N9 for example | 17:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | or maybe even android | 17:34 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but it is a project that is mostly developed by volunteers, so it evolves slowly | 17:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | Sailfish uses both Mer and Nemo and contributes back | 17:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | they use a lot of Nemo middleware, and provides bugfixes etc | 17:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | but they build their own ui | 17:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | right now, their ui is not opensourced | 17:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so if you want sailfish on your phone, we advice to start playing with nemo | 17:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | getting sailfish is a matter of changing packages to replace the ui | 17:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and contributing to nemo helps everybody, the community, Jolla, Sailfish etc. | 17:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | :) | 17:36 |
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| DarkSim | Sorry for slow response | 18:40 |
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| DarkSim | been a lot going on lately hah | 18:40 |
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| DarkSim | Ok I think I get it | 18:47 |
| DarkSim | it's much more like a traditional Linux desktop OS | 18:47 |
| DarkSim | but for a phone | 18:47 |
| DarkSim | with Distros, forks, DE's and packages | 18:47 |
| DarkSim | (mind that I have quite limited knowledge with Linux desktop as well) | 18:47 |
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| DarkSim | So why doesn't Jolla go all the way and make everything open-source? | 21:26 |
| DarkSim | Seems like a strange thing to do to let the whole OS except UI be open | 21:27 |
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| Yaniel | because the other phone manufacturers would copy it before jolla could release theirs? | 21:29 |
| Yaniel | and possibly patent | 21:29 |
| DarkSim | Hm...so does that mean once it's fully released, they would drop the closed source? | 21:29 |
| DarkSim | and what implications does closing the UI have on the user? | 21:30 |
| Yaniel | that's roughly what I have understood from twitter | 21:30 |
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| DarkSim | If only I didn't already have a quite new phone | 21:32 |
| DarkSim | This thing looks so damn cool | 21:32 |
| Yaniel | my current one does not seem like I can trust it for long (sort of breaking apart, both hw and sw -wise) | 21:34 |
| DarkSim | Mine is just fine, sadly :P | 21:34 |
| DarkSim | But it's not even 1.5 years old | 21:34 |
| Yaniel | + I already preordered :D | 21:34 |
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| DarkSim | although that "other half" part is really cheesy | 21:40 |
| DarkSim | unless I get a whole bunch of those plates it's just a way to make some easy merchandise cash, imo | 21:40 |
| Yaniel | and they have to be really easy to swap too | 21:41 |
| Yaniel | but not fall off by themselves | 21:41 |
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