Wednesday, 2013-11-27

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mfulzhi I just ordered a jolla phone today and downloaded the sdk for a quick look00:46
mfulznow I'm wondering on how I could compile / deploy projects without the qt creator? Does anybody know about a tutorial or something?00:46
wmarone_have you signed up for the mailing lists?00:48
mfulznot till now00:48
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mfulznow :)00:54
mfulzI'll send my request to it - thanks00:54
wmarone_yeah, more likely to be seen there00:57
wmarone_activity here is really cyclical due to how much focus is in EU00:57
mfulzok np00:57
mfulzso gn8 wmarone :)00:58
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kontioTheBootroo: you packaged a x86 intel binary... that does not install on device, harbour-citybikeme-0.4-1.armv7hl.rpm will be rejected...08:31
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TheBootrookontio: nope, it's ARM deploy method08:48
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TheBootroounless the sdk has bugged badly08:48
kontioTheBootroo: the sdk can mess up... if the binary is already there, then make wont build it again...08:49
kontioso you should always first clean the project08:49
TheBootrooerf damned08:49
TheBootrooi'm at work08:49
TheBootrooi can't rebuild it08:49
TheBootrooSDK won't work here becuase of corporate poroxy08:49
TheBootrookontio: do you have SDK ? could you rebuild it ARM for me08:50
kontioTheBootroo: sorry  I'm quite busy here atm... but if I find some time I would ping you...08:51
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TheBootrookaltsi: hi !09:16
TheBootrookaltsi: i fixed my rpoxy issue i think09:16
TheBootrookaltsi: simply using sudo ssh -D 80 6N from inside the mer sdk VM myuser@myproxy09:17
* artemma looks at harbour dashboard. 27 apps submitted yesterday. So maybe next iteration my Flashlight has chances to be reviewed before the sales start09:17
artemmait would be so cool to have two apps published on the day one09:17
locusfartemma: go go go :)09:18
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artemmalocusf: that's more like kontio: go go go :)09:19
artemmameaning that he's the closest guy to harbour I know here09:19
locusfhehehe :)09:19
artemmaand the ball is on their side now09:19
locusfyou'll get em through :)09:20
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TheBootroowell in fact it didn't fixed the main issue "09:21
TheBootrooi f***ckin hate proxies09:21
TheBootrooruins my job on daily basis09:21
kaltsiTheBootroo: try this.. login as root to the emulator and set the http_proxy and/or https_proxy environment vars.. then run zypper ref09:23
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TheBootrookaltsi: still doesn't work09:31
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TheBootroostill have "System management is locked by the application with pid 4266 (zypper)."09:32
TheBootrookaltsi: and then "Project ERROR: Could not connect to MerSDK Virtual Machine. Timeout waiting for reply from server."09:32
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kaltsidid the zypper refresh work?09:33
kaltsiwhat happened there?09:33
kaltsiso you set the env variables and..09:33
TheBootrooi think it don't care about env vars09:33
kaltsizypper does read them09:33
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TheBootrookaltsi: zypper blocks ~30sec and then "Timeout on  ''."09:35
kaltsican you access that file with your browser?09:37
TheBootrookaltsi: yeah but only with the proxy setup correctly09:38
TheBootroocontains checksums and timestamps09:38
kaltsizypper uses libzypp which uses libcurl.. afaik, curl handles the http_proxy envs correctly09:38
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kaltsiif you want to try to debug it, you could try playing with 'curl' in the emulator to see if you can set the environment vars correctly in order to download that file09:38
kaltsionce the environment is good for curl, it should be good for zypper too09:39
TheBootrookaltsi: curl -G doesn't work09:39
TheBootroobut adding the -x http://myproxy:port  works09:39
TheBootrooso i think curl doesn't read HTTP_PROXY env var09:40
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TheBootrookaltsi: setting proxy=http://myproxy:port  in .curlrc works fine now i can curl -G without -x option, but zypper still blocks09:47
kaltsiit doesn't probably read .curlrc which is for the curl commandline client09:48
TheBootrookaltsi: are you sure it uses curl ?09:48
TheBootrookaltsi: libcurl doc says "libcurl respects the environment variables http_proxy, ftp_proxy, all_proxy etc,"09:49
TheBootroowhich seems not being the case09:49
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cos-hello, what's the remedy for "Fatal: This specfile does not have the qtc_* macros defined"?09:53
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TheBootrookaltsi: where does rpm build create rpm inside the VM ?09:57
TheBootrookaltsi: maybe i can copy them manually, cause it seems they are created but QtC can retreive them09:58
TheBootroook resubmited, i think i got the packages10:01
TheBootrooTomáš Drastich is here ?10:03
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artemmaFlashlight is for 18 hours in QA. Still hoping for review before the launch moment..10:13
TheBootroofinally received my invite to webshop10:14
TheBootrooyou know what ? i'm happy10:15
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hardcodesAlready had the invite for the webshop but can't checkout :-/10:18
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kaltsicos-: when you open a project which has a yaml file with qt creator, it will create a spec file that has the qtc_* macros10:46
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lukedirtwalkerHi guys as i could finally order my Jolla I started to port an app, here comes my first question: How can I enable links in a TextArea ?12:07
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artemmaFlashlight app was rejected, because light is stable enough only if "the finger covers the cam lens"! Yes, and there's big label on screen telling that flashlight works in dark conditions! And app descriptor says it too! And it does work well in dark conditions!12:27
* artemma frustrated12:27
artemmashall I resubmit app as "DARK ENVIRONMENT flashlight"? :)12:28
artemmakontio: do you think it could make a difference?12:29
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kontioartemma: I doubt, sorry12:30
artemmaoh well..12:30
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artemmaoh well, I was anyway going to tune numbers for better functioning even in a light environment once I get device to hands.. just not on a day one then12:31
* artemma doesn't even have a shop login info yet though.. 2nd wave12:31
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artemmaCould somebody, please, try
artemmaThat's no new build, I am just trying to figure the version for promotion that works best (despite being rejected from harbour). This version should have flashlight controllable from app cover14:37
kaltsiartemma: tried on device, works nicely from app cover14:39
artemmakaltsi: thanks! Then I promote it to twitter :)14:40
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Fledaartemma: how do you build the rpms? deploying as rpm for the i486 target creates a .i586.rpm but building for armv7hl doesn't seem to be creating any rpm files14:49
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artemmaFleda: it does for me :)14:49
artemmaSwitch to mer, clean, build deploy14:49
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TheBootrooFleda: don't use deploy as RPM for ARM, use "Deploy ARM method", and don't forget to clean/rebuild before deploy14:51
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nodevelHello. I have following problem with deploying my app in the SDK:15:35
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nodevelI have freshly installed SDK, my app set for armvhl target. When I run the emulator and click Deploy (as rpm), it fails with "Fatal: deploy must have a valid --device"15:37
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TheBootroonodevel: don't use it15:38
TheBootroothey should do a BIG disclaimer about this15:38
TheBootroo"We must not use 'deploy as rpm' unless we have a real device, for harbour use 'deploy arm method'15:39
TheBootrooi spent 2 hours of my life yesterday for this15:39
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nodevelTheBootroo: Thank you very much! I have literally spent hours trying to figure this out last week.15:41
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TheBootroonodevel: i know, i tried many thing too15:42
nodevelin my case it resulted in rpm's with 'armvhl' in the name, later rejected from the harbour for being non-arm15:43
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TheBootrooyeah cause you must clean directory before build esle it takes the emulator x86 binary15:46
TheBootrooi had the same issue, my app VityBike was rejected today15:47
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nodevelI figured it was something like that, but couldn't find the workaround. I'd have to submit it again anyways because of the new app naming scheme.15:50
nodevelthanks again, you saved my day :)15:50
TheBootrooyou're welcome15:53
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hardcodesHas anyone successfully completed the purchase in the online store?18:07
Bysmyyrbut maybe #jollamobile is better channel to that guestion18:08
hardcodesAh, I will change18:08
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thesignalhi there. i got rejected because of: Desktop file ./usr/share/applications/harbour-ohm.desktop is missing18:13
thesignalwhere do i need to change something, so this file will be included?18:14
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Sfiet_Konstantinthesignal: hum ... did your generated RPM package contains the desktop file18:17
Sfiet_Konstantinbecause it should with the template18:17
Sfiet_Konstantinif not, use a desktop.files = myfile.desktop / desktop.path = /usr/share/applications/18:17
Sfiet_Konstantinand INSTALLS+=desktop18:17
Sfiet_Konstantinin the .pro file18:17
thesignalthanks, i'll try that Sfiet_Konstantin18:18
thesignalah, Sfiet_Konstantin i already have this in y .pro file18:18
thesignaldesktop.files = harbour-ohm.desktop18:19
thesignaldesktop.path = /usr/share/applications18:19
Sfiet_Konstantinthesignal: tried compiling an RPM, and uncompressing it to see if the file is in ?18:19
Sfiet_Konstantinchecked if INSTALLS have desktop in it ?18:19
Sfiet_Konstantinthesignal: please do that18:19
thesignalit has18:19
Sfiet_Konstantinthe best is to do this to see18:19
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thesignalSfiet_Konstantin: it's in the rpm18:23
thesignalin /usr/share/applications/18:23
Sfiet_Konstantinthesignal: try submitting again18:24
Sfiet_Konstantinor contact developer-care18:24
thesignalok, thanks18:24
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piggzwhat are the chances of soon after todays announcement that we will get sailfish on n9[50] (for device testing only ofcourse ;)?18:28
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thesignali'm using the same filename as before, but now i get invalid file name??18:36
thesignalisn't that valid?18:36
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thesignalokay. figured it out. i renamed my package to18:40
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coderuspiggz: zero19:34
piggzcoderus: why so low?19:35
piggzi already had limited success using the jolla arm repo on top of nemo19:36
coderuspiggz: first demo image uses x11 sailfish version.19:36
coderuspiggz: currend wayland-nemo status isnt okay19:36
piggzits not too bad is it? its broken atm for input tho19:36
coderuspiggz: most of hw drivers and acceleration19:37
coderuspiggz: it really needs official work to have sailfish port19:37
FabianSHm. How current is the Jolla SDK you can download?19:37
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FabianSIs it far behind the version of sailfish shipped on the phones?19:37
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coderuspiggz: only jolla have drivers for harmattan, but most are x11 blobs and should be rewritten for wayland19:38
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coderusFabianS: it have only development content19:38
coderusFabianS: its SDK19:39
FabianSWell, it contains an emulator and a version of the OS.19:39
coderusFabianS: no19:39
FabianSIt definitely did the last time I checked.19:39
coderusFabianS: ARM target contains only build target19:39
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FabianSWell, my laptop is not ARM.19:40
coderusFabianS: it doesnt dontain any platform data19:40
FabianSI would like to see something of the OS.19:40
coderusFabianS: you comparing with Jolla Phone or your laptop?19:40
FabianSNot just some sample apps.19:40
FabianSDoes sailfish have an app sandboxing concept like Android has?19:41
coderusFabianS: well, x86 contains some core OS things19:41
coderusbut not ARM19:41
FabianSWith methods for IPC and data sharing?19:41
coderusFabianS: i dont think so it have something similar in current release19:42
EztranIIRC Dalvik apps are sandboxed at least. Doubt native ones are.19:42
FabianSMeh, that's bad.19:42
coderusFabianS: it should be added after Harbour can accept paid apps19:42
FabianSI think the intents-system is the best thing about Android.19:42
coderus*(actually Harbour will accept paid apps AFTER this will be done, obliviosly)*19:43
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piggzmaybe nemo will be good enough for testing plain qml apps19:44
coderuspiggz: well, i hope we can install most of sailfish arm repository packages on nemo19:46
piggzcoderus: i presume all packages shipped with phone will be in the repos?19:47
Sfiet_Konstantinstarted planning here19:47
Sfiet_Konstantinsomeone already installed the SDK version on a nemo N95019:47
piggzSfiet_Konstantin: i did once19:48
Sfiet_Konstantinso I won't be surprised to have a quick n dirty "port" since the product is available19:48
Sfiet_Konstantinand since we have Faenil as our nemo trojan horse / infiltrate at Jolla19:48
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coderuspiggz: sure.19:51
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piggzlo jstaniek!19:55
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wentknweqt_can the jolla phone record phone calls?21:06
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ZogG_laptopand new channel ah?21:13
Sfiet_Konstantinwentknweqt_: don't know21:14
Sfiet_Konstantinnot out of the box21:14
Sfiet_Konstantinmaybe an app21:14
wentknweqt_Sfiet_Konstantin, do you have one?21:14
Sfiet_Konstantinwentknweqt_: I used one21:15
wentknweqt_i'm going to the #jollamobile chan. didn't know there was one. ty21:15
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sharpneliGood evening.21:18
sharpneliI'm trying to deploy a nice test app on my brand new shiny Jolla phone but it seems that the current sailfish SDK cannot really produce arm binaries as of this moment, is this correct?21:18
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sharpneliAh cancel that. The SDK just bugged out after selecting the target.21:23
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sharpneliAaand first simple test proggie deployed and working. Way faster and simpler for normal desktop linux guy compared to Android/iOS.21:29
Sfiet_Konstantinsharpneli: you can't compare to iOS: iOS sdk don't work onlinux :D21:30
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sharpneliTrue :)21:31
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union[]when is jolla making available the sources of the opensource components of sailfishos?21:51
Stskeepsa lot of it is already available in Mer and Nemo21:51
Stskeepsas git trees, already today21:51
Stskeepssailfishos = mer core + nemo mobile mw + sailfish ui + hardware adaptation21:51
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union[]yes, but Jolla might have applied patches to mer packages... take debian for instance, they add some patches to the software they are using and they make available the full sources ('original' upstream sources + patches)22:00
Stskeepsnop, pretty stock22:01
union[]are sailfish ui and silica ui components proprietary software?22:05
FabianSunion[]: Yes.22:05
w00tunion[]: the patches we make are generally in those repositories. we don't take open stuff closed, as a general rule of thumb22:05
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aknightmer/nemo packages as you see them are what sailfish uses. they do sometimes have patches on top of the upstream, but all patches are in github (and pushed upstream at best-effort intervals)22:06
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sharpneliIs the android compatibility stuff part of Sailfish or an addition by Jolla?22:07
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sharpneliLicensed by Jolla then?22:08
union[]FabianS: if Silica components are proprietary software, it means software written for SailfishOS won't work "as is" on Nemo mobile22:12
Sfiet_Konstantinunion[]: indeed22:14
Sfiet_Konstantinthough if you have splitted view and logic enough it should work22:15
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prometoyshi, what happens when you switch the white cover with the orange first-one-cover?22:20
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Sfiet_Konstantinprometoys: magic ?22:30
Sfiet_KonstantinI don't know :D22:30
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prometoysi saw a video, where nothing happened after the user switched the cover22:32
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wentknweqt_what phones can i run sailfish on?23:09
Yanielthe jolla23:11
Sfiet_Konstantinwentknweqt_: there is no way right now23:11
Sfiet_Konstantinexcept on jolla23:11
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wentknweqt_shut up and take my money23:15
artemmathesignal: ping23:16
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SaleIntendhi all. Any docs about Sailfish security ??23:18
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Venemowow, that was quick23:26
YanielI've seen worse23:27
prometoysanybody with a jolla here?23:30
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prometoyslpotter: mhh, forgot my question ?!?23:37
* prometoys is confused23:37
prometoyslpotter: ahh, did you try to install a android app without the
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lpotterI have yes23:38
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lpotterother android stores will work, and clicking on apk download installs23:40
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DonkeyHoteiis there a way to build a sailfish os image for random hardware, for testing?23:42
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prometoyslpotter: thanks, and how is the yandex,store?23:43
Yanieland does this infamous other half do anything interesting?23:44
lpotteryandex is ok. better if you are in Russia.23:46
lpotterYaniel: it has the potential to, but the cover that comes with it only has an nfc tag that downloads an ambience23:47
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