Friday, 2013-11-29

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shmerlMSameer: Hi!01:19
MSameershmerl: hello!01:19
shmerlI'll probably work on adding libopus sometime on Sunday, or next week.01:20
MSameerthat would be great :)01:20
shmerlAre there any concerns about adding VPx?01:20
shmerlOr just no one did it?01:20
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jojI'm interested in the Jolla phone which runs Sailfish; however, I can't find any descriptive information on the status of a Japanese input method for Sailfish on which would be essential for me. Can someone point me to the most relevant resource if it exists; or can Android keyboards/input methods run without problems on Sailfish like Google Japanese Input, Simeji et al.?04:30
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crevetorGuys, how do I put my apps settings in the settings application ?05:59
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crevetorAre there Icon design guidelines somewhere ?06:51
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Morpog_N9crevetor, none yet07:01
Morpog_N9but you can use my icon templates07:01
crevetorWhere are they ?07:01
Morpog_N9sorry was on phone07:04
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crevetorNo problem07:05
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Morpog_N9just change the gradient colors to your likeing07:07
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crevetorThey didn't release anything as to what the different shape/colors mean ?07:08
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Morpog_N9not yet07:11
Morpog_N9maybe no logic behind iz07:12
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jardousHello guys. I am trying to port my QML game to Sailfish, but having problems with Image and loading SVG format. QML Image object raises "Invalid image data" error for all SVG images loaded07:44
veskuhAdding qt5-qtsvg-plugin-imageformat-svg in Requires section of .yaml and then deploying as .rpm should help07:45
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jardousveskuh: waw - works! Thanks a lot!07:50
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jardoushow do I force landscape screen orientation?08:33
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dm8tbrjardous: I think there is an attribute that you can set for your app. Don't remember details, sorry.08:40
Nicd-could maybe look at fingerterm sources08:40
Nicd-it at least has a landscape-portrait lock in the settings, I'll check if it works08:41
Nicd-yep, seems to work08:41
jardousis it part of the Sailfish SDK?08:41
veskuhjardous, if you are having a silica app then applicationWindow's allowedOrientations property08:41
veskuhjardous, Orientation.Landscape08:42
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jardousveskuh: yep - found that already08:42
veskuhjardous, if you have "plain" QML then just rotate root item 90 digrees08:42
Yanielbtw does fingerterm work in landscape mode yet?08:44
veskuhYaniel, yes08:45
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leinirhmm... isn't that part of qt quick 2 as well? the orientation stuff?08:48
Yanielit would be weird if not08:48
leinirhmm... not that, that's read only :P08:49
Yaniel(just wondering since stock apps etc apparently don't rotate)08:49
fk_lxhi all :-)08:49
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crevetorAre QtLocation and QtPositioning part of the official on-device distribution ?09:03
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nodevelHey! I have a problem while developing for Sailfish (QML). Has anyone managed to put a ComboBox in a Row? It just doesn't work - completely messes up the layout.09:27
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TheBootroonodevel: sureley the combo sets some anchors or so, you need to overwrite it to make it work inside a positioner09:45
nodevelTheBootroo: thanks, i feared so. i'll see if i can rewrite it while keeping all the functionality and Silica look09:48
TheBootroonodevel: overwrite, no rewrite09:48
TheBootroojust modify some properties like anchors or width09:48
nodevelwell, i don't think that'll work09:49
TheBootrootrust me, i'm kinda QML guru here ;-)09:49
* TheBootroo is lauching sdk to check ComboBox code09:49
nodevelok, thx :)09:50
TheBootroonodevel: it has   width: parent ? parent.width : 009:51
sharpneliStskeeps: Would it be possible for you to send your version of to me so I could test if the addition would fix the Ocl CPU problem? I have 2 versions of it from qualcomm dev network (how I even found out it was needed) but they are almost certainly too old (from april and may, yours is from june)09:51
TheBootrooso it will always take the max width of the row, which is already bad, obviously it's not alone in Row, and ever more, if your row doesn't have a width set, it'll ruin09:51
TheBootroonodevel: try just setting  Row's width: parent.width;  and then   Combo's width: parent.width - 100; just to test09:52
nodevelTheBootroo: will try, thank you09:53
TheBootroothen if it has better look, use simple math binding to calculate optimal width for combo using  parent.width - otheriteminrow.width - yetanother.width - parent.spacing * (nbofiteminrow -1)09:53
Stskeepssharpneli: i don't have one handy, sorry, but it's being taken care of09:53
TheBootroonodevel: there is no reason it shouldn work09:54
nodevelTheBootroo: it works! thank you! I thought by overwriting you meant things like which should not be set inside column/row at all. i'm glad it's not the case of ComboBox09:55
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TheBootroonodevel: you're welcome09:55
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alciStill unable to complete my order, although I pre-order on 20/05/2013... My ticket at has status "This request is awaiting assignment to a support agent" for 72 hours now... I want to order before 2 dec...10:43
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jukkaeklundalci, you can email again care and emails will be sent out later on the payment details so shouldn't be nothing wrong there10:47
alcijukkaeklund, what do you mean ? I had a mail telling me : you will receive instructions to complete order in a second mail, but you must order before 2 december to get delivery this year.10:49
jukkaeklundalci, it is not 2nd dec yet?10:49
alciBut I don't get any second mail. I want to benefit from my early pre-order and get my Jolla. Please take my money !10:49
alcijukkaeklund : sure it's not yet, but I was under the impression instructions were sent in priority order. Poealple that preordered much later did receive the instructions.10:50
alcijukkaeklund: also consider week-end is coming, and I won't be online all time. I don't want to miss the opportunity. But if this is expected, fine... I just need to be informed.10:51
jukkaeklundalci, I hope care can answer you if you have any issues.10:52
alciSo do I :-)10:52
TheBootroojukkaeklund: are shipping started for other country that finland ? (france ???)11:00
TheBootrooare you authorized to tell me which service is used for shipping in france ?11:01
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TheBootroois that UPS International ? DHL express maybe ?11:01
jukkaeklundTheBootroo, I won't start commenting here on those issues - trust that the folks are doing the best they can.11:01
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TheBootroojukkaeklund: yeah but the asked questino stayed unanswered atm11:02
YanielTheBootroo: I'm in Finland and haven't heard anything about shipping yet either..11:02
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TheBootrooand jolla said : 3-4 weeks to get delivered, so if it doesn't go faster, we won't have it in time for christmas, despite having preordered it really early11:02
leinirTheBootroo: because they are busy actually getting the work done :P11:03
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* leinir throws a dictionary with only the word patience at TheBootroo ;)11:03
saildevhow i'm able to ssh into the device from linux?11:03
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TheBootrooYaniel: that's what is disturbing, not a single guy yet has reported status change on order, and though jolla announced on twitter 'shipping has started'11:03
saildevthanks.. :)11:04
EztranThat page is really coming in handy, even if it's not even semi-official yet11:05
jukkaeklundTheBootroo, give Jolla trust - even if you don't updates it doesn't mean nothing is happening11:05
TheBootroojukkaeklund: i guess you're right11:05
TheBootrooyou're in the pantheon, in the secret of gods, you must know11:06
jukkaeklundI don't know about that but I know the people and trust they do their best11:06
TheBootroobut the poor human i am is still eager to see something moving11:06
jukkaeklundin Finland there is a risk that post goes to strike11:07
stephg^ yikes didn't know that :(11:07
jukkaeklundit affects only Finland of course if it happens11:08
leinirgot friends in Finland who are rather distraught by that, due to another product which is going on sale in the EU today...11:09
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saildevi still don't get it... gosh, never done this before. *blushing*11:13
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saildevi try with "ssh root@[IP]" and asks for password but doesn't work11:21
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saildevand i assume the password is the same which is set in dev.mode settings?11:21
sharpnelitry ssh nemo@IP11:21
leinirtry nemo11:21
leinirthat ;)11:21
leinirand then once you're there, devel-su will take that password as well, and elevate you to root11:21
sremeshow do you install software from repos with pkcon, it keeps asking for some authentication?11:22
kaltsiasks how?11:22
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kaltsibut basic command is: pkcon install packagename11:23
sremeswell, I guess the question was more about, where do you register for an account/authentication?11:24
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kaltsiin which environment are you experiencing this now?11:24
kaltsireal device, emulator?11:24
sremesjolla phone11:25
kaltsiwhat's the exact message you're seeing.. I assume you have configured your jolla account since you can use pkcon on the jolla phone.. no other account/auth should be required or needed11:25
leiniralso, where are you doing it?11:26
leiniras in, have you done a devel-su to become root, or are you doing this as the normal user?11:26
sremeswhen trying to install e.g. vim in terminal (devel-su elevated), I get "Fatal error: Authentication failed (is SSU set up correctly?)"11:27
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kaltsileinir: pkcon works as normal user11:27
leinirkaltsi: ah, right11:27
kaltsisremes: hm that should work, but can you try also as nemo user11:27
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sremesas nemo user, it gives also the same message11:29
saildevis there a way to check whether my rpm works or not? in ssh11:34
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saildevbecause when i try to install it it won't let me so how do i know what's wrong with it?11:35
saildevand by the way, thanks for the nemo tip.. it worked ;)11:35
tj____sremes, i just had the same problem and it was discussed on #jollamobile11:38
kaltsisaildev: what won't let you install?11:39
saildevmy application..11:39
kaltsisaildev: if you have a standalone rpm file, you can install it with pkcon if you first copy it to the device: pkcon install-local filename.rpm11:39
tj____ssu domain sales ; reboot and then pkcon refresh11:39
saildevyes, it's in the device already... but i was looking for that command! thank you ;)11:39
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tortoisedocany date for the RC of the SDK yet?11:40
saildevokay, so it gives me this: "Fatal error: Authentication failed (is SSU et up correctly?)"11:41
sremestj____: yes, it was the ssu domain issue, got help from kaltsi11:41
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saildevwait, are you talking about the same issue here?11:42
tj____saildev, probably11:43
tj____Aard, i guess the ssu problem is now reproduced by 3 people ;)11:44
veskuhthe device has also regular rpm. just devel-su for root and then rpm -i package.rpm11:44
saildevthere is a SSU section in dev.mode settings.. is that it?11:45
saildevoh, okay..11:45
Aardtj____: ok. I'll fix it in the update. don't put stuff there, you'll get credentials when we have beta releases for developers to play with ;)11:45
saildevthanks veskuh. :)11:45
kaltsisaildev: please do "ssu domain sales" on the command line then pkcon will work again11:46
saildevah, excellent! rpm -i didn't work but what kaltsi said did work.. thank you very much! :)11:48
kaltsiyw :)11:49
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saildevokay, then i have one issue..12:00
saildevwhen i sent my application to harbour they had to refuse it because i didn't use a correct path for my application icon.. they said it was 90x90 but it's suppose to be 86x86 (and no, not talking about the size but the path)12:00
saildevso how do i actually save it there? i changed the path in my .yaml file but now it just says that it can not find it12:01
saildevi assume i have to force it there somehow?12:01
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kaltsithe sdk lags behind unfortunately.. which sucks, but we're working on it12:02
kaltsiyou will need to ssh to the build virtual machine and edit a file there to get it working12:02
tortoisedockaltsi: can you confirm packtes on real devices === these of the sdk?12:03
saildevokay.. can you advice me a little bit?12:03
kaltsiif you want to do it, let me know once you've ssh'd to the build machine?12:03
kaltsitortoisedoc: sdk lags behind right now.. we're updating it to device level soon12:04
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kaltsisaildev: which host machine do you have.. linux, mac, windows?12:04
saildevlinux (mint)12:04
kaltsisaildev: ssh -p 2222 -i ~/SailfishOS/vmshare/ssh/private_keys/engine/mersdk -l mersdk12:04
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kaltsi~/SailfishOS is where you installed it.. that's the default path12:05
kaltsiit = sdk12:05
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saildevokay, that's done..12:06
kaltsithen let's go and edit the file..12:06
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kaltsisb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl -R -m sdk-install12:06
kaltsithat will open an sb2 shell in the arm target as root (-R) and install mode (-m sdk-install)12:06
kaltsionce you're there, edit the file: vim /usr/share/qt5/mkspecs/features/sailfishapp.prf12:07
kaltsithere should be icon.path12:07
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saildevand 90x90 to 86x86?12:08
kaltsithen save that, and exit from the sb2 shell12:08
kaltsiyou can do the same for the i486 target.. but then the sb2 command is12:09
kaltsisb2 -t SailfishOS-i486-x86 -R -m sdk-install12:09
kaltsibut you are submitting arm packages, so that's more important for store12:09
saildevyeah, true that..12:10
saildevsilly question, how do i save this? i've only used gedit and others but never vim12:11
kaltsiwere you able to edit it?12:11
kaltsiif you are in edit mode then press: ESC :wq ENTER12:11
saildevnice one12:12
kaltsieasy! :)12:12
saildevand i don't have to do it again? :)12:12
saildevyes it is.. if I'd have know it :D but it doesn't say anything like this anywhere12:12
kaltsionly thing I know about vim is how to exit from it :)12:12
* zuh whispers: install nano, it doesn't have silly modes ;)12:12
saildevbut i appreciate your effort :)12:12
saildevI will, zuh... I will ;)12:13
kaltsisaildev: yeah this situation is quite unfortunate, we weren't able to release an up-to-date SDK in time because of .. well there's just too few of us :)12:13
saildevyes, I know that one :)12:13
saildevand i don't blame you.. :)12:13
saildevthat's why we have IRC and other ways to communicate to get the best support12:14
saildevand help, of course12:14
kaltsibut anyways.. after you've done all that, exit until you're back in your host and let's hope the 86x86 works now12:14
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kaltsisaildev: oh one more thing I forgot.. if you are building first for the emulator and then want to create the arm package.. be sure to clean the build in between.. (select Build -> Clean Project "projectname") from the menu12:28
saildevyup, I know that one already. ;)12:28
saildevbut thanks anyways12:28
kaltsiok.. next sdk will have "shadow building" which builds i486 and arm in different dirs12:28
kaltsishadow building.. a qt creator term, sounds mysterious :)12:29
saildevthat'll help a lot :)12:30
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tortoisedockaltsi : shadow bulding is indeed mystirious12:34
tortoisedocbut it works very well12:35
tortoisedoc(luckily :) )12:35
timophis not using the default main function supported?12:36
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tortoisedockaltsi : any eta for the next sdk release?12:36
timophas in adding context properties, image providers, etc.12:36
timophcan't seem to get it to work12:37
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kaltsitortoisedoc: I can't promise anything, that will get broken anyways.. but not this month (ends tomorrow) :)12:37
kaltsiI strongly hope we get it out within a week or two12:38
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tortoisedockaltsi : no need to promise, just vague dates are more than enough :P12:44
tortoisedocpersonally I am not in a hurry with it12:44
tortoisedocat least not until JStore has proper paid apps support...12:44
tortoisedocsame pattern than jphone :P12:44
narchieplease no12:45
narchietrigger warning12:45
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ajalkanetimoph: should work12:46
timophI think my problem is setting the source to the view12:46
ajalkanetimoph: very simple example of adding contextProperty:
timophthanks. got it to work12:52
timophas I guessed it, the problem was with the path12:52
leinirhey, is there any way of linking to stuff in the store?12:57
tortoisedocandroid pass application is not working12:59
tortoisedoc(nfc reader)13:00
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saildevalright, i have one issue.. i think13:10
saildevi am able to install my app via pkcon install-local but if i first send it to my dropbox, i download it from there and i try to install it from transfers page (obviously by clicking on it?) it does nothing..13:11
saildevso is this is a problem that if i send it to the store it won't work?13:11
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Nicd-if my app has a settings page, should it be accessible from the app or from Settings -> Apps -> MyApp?13:15
JonniNicd-: no13:18
Nicd-so no to which one? :)13:19
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JonniNicd-: to "should it be accessible"13:19
Nicd-so I should have a settings page that's not accessible from anywhere?13:19
Jonnior did you have multiple questions?13:19
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Jonniyour settings page can be for example accesple from your applications pulldown menu13:20
lbtthe settings builtin doesn't allow 3rd party settings yet13:20
Nicd-it's one question :D "should it be accessible from A or B?"13:20
Nicd-lbt: ok, thanks13:20
Jonniah, I read wrong, answer would be "app"13:21
Jonnimy crosseyes13:21
lbtJonni: 2 day hangover ... really? :D13:21
Nicd-well you made me laugh :D13:21
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TheBootroomy app got rejected one more time13:22
TheBootrooand message i got was totally weird13:22
JonniTheBootroo: what kind of application it is?13:23
kaltsisaildev: installing rpms from the transferui is not there yet13:23
TheBootrooJonni: self-service bike sharing app13:23
saildevah, okay13:23
saildevso basically when i'm able to install it via pkcon install-local it should work when i send it to the store, right?13:24
FryeType FirstPage unavailable13:24
Frye         initialPage: FirstPage { }13:24
kaltsisaildev: in general yes13:24
lbtTheBootroo: it should go into a more 'suspended' state when it is minimised - avoid cpu use to manage power use13:25
saildevokay, i'll give it a try then because this seems to be working now - at least on my Jolla. :D13:25
FryeI'm really good in this. I get the porgram to fail before it even starts!13:25
TheBootroolbt: i can't suspend my app, it needs to stay up-to-date as long as it's running13:25
TheBootroosailfish is multitasked so no issue with that i hope13:25
FryeI do have FirstPage.qml in place13:26
Fryeand it should be imported fine13:26
JonniTheBootroo: how much cpu it takes when idle?13:26
TheBootrooJonni: how could i know13:26
lbtI'm not familiar with the criteria - but that's what the message suggests. There's a difference between 'up' and running13:26
TheBootrooi dunno,13:26
TheBootroobut not much13:26
TheBootrooonly thing it does is update json api to get count of free places/bikes on stations13:27
lbtTheBootroo: basically you should just be listen()ing or maybe have an occasional wakeup/poll (which doesn't trigger network)13:27
TheBootroowhen app in on cover state, it has a time counter, so it's kept active13:27
Jonnithat sounds like stupid reject reason, when it doesnt explain what is too much consumption.13:27
TheBootroolbt: i'm forced to keep data up to date, else when user gets back into app, he will have outdated counters for a while13:28
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TheBootroolbt: i just hope we are not going to be forced to do 'fake multitaskign' by putting apps in idle mode when they are not maximized....13:30
TheBootroothat would be a treason to Nokia N9 legacy...13:30
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TheBootroonetwork call is only done 4times / minute13:30
lbtTheBootroo: no... but equally you should respect the user doing something else and not hog the cpu13:30
sharpneliI thought the whole point of active cover is to allow the app to run and display some data?13:30
TheBootroolbt: i don't hog cpu by polling network 4 times a minute13:31
sharpneliBut I also understand that an app like that shouldn't poll constantly13:31
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* lbt agrees13:31
TheBootroosharpneli: if you're not using the app, close it. Period.13:31
sharpneliTheBootroo: Why not poll as soon as the user comes back to the app?13:31
lbtTheBootroo: polling is fine13:31
TheBootrooif you keep it open, it means you have a bike or you seek one, so you need up to date info.13:31
lbtI said "have an occasional wakeup/poll (which doesn't trigger network)"13:31
sharpneliHmm. Is there any way to know if the screen is on?13:32
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lbt15 seconds is occasional13:32
sharpneliTheBootroo: You could stop polling when the screen goes black and then poll when the user starts to interact with the device. Thus you wouldn't drain battery when the screen lock is on13:32
lbtbut ... you should probably only poll if the network is actually up13:32
TheBootrooso you agree this rejection is kinda abusive13:32
AardTheBootroo: I'm just trying to reach the person rejecting your app to give a refresher on valid rejection reasons13:32
lbtwell, too terse13:32
sharpneliAnd the data would be immediately available if the user wants to interact with you again13:32
TheBootroolbt:  in qml i can't really know if "network is up"13:33
TheBootroounless i'm totally missing some new api...13:33
lbtTheBootroo: I thought we could13:33
Yanielwell that's something that should be there13:33
TheBootroolbt: would need to expose QNetworkConfigurationManager from C+++ maybe, and watch isOnline ()13:33
Yanielas well as a signal telling the app that the screen was locked13:33
TheBootrooYaniel: big +1 on screen lock13:34
Yaniela lot of apps would probably benefit from knowing that13:34
Aardlpotter: ^^ your area, do we have a qml-api for network state available? ideally stable? :)13:34
Yanielfingerterm comes to mind first :D13:34
sharpneliYeah. Specially apps that would otherwise poll and thus needlessly drain battery13:34
TheBootrooafaik ApplicationWindow.applicationActive is just alias to Qt.application.isAtive13:34
Yanieland I can imagine "apps that would otherwise poll" covers about 75% of all apps we're going to see anytime soon13:35
TheBootroolbt: i already recoded a big part of my app in C++ (tile caching, model, and settings) in order to make QML part lighter, and i don't think i can do any better ATM13:36
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locusfhmm I got some weird app review rejection in the harbour13:37
TheBootrooi'm not what we could call a beginner QML coder, neither an actually bad coder, so unless one can prove me my app slows down the phone or suck the battery, i want it approved13:37
Stskeepslocusf: oh?13:37
locusfReason for rejection: If you press the icon of the application in the Launcher each time formed "Active cover" in the Launcher. The correct behavior is as if the second time opens the application by clicking the icon, then the application should open with the current "Active cover".13:37
lbtand just a comment ... SailfishOS is properly multi-tasking and there's no desire to prevent that at all. SailfishOS also runs on battery powered devices and we want to push responsible power usage quite hard for store apps.13:37
sharpneliYaniel: And due to that I kinda understand the Android&Apple decision to prevent multitasking. 3 apps that poll 4 times a minute will drain battery like no tomorrow.13:37
AardTheBootroo: see above, I'm currently talking with the manager of the testhing team.13:37
locusfalso: After selecting "Login" the keyboard doesn't display, the user have to zoom in the login page then appears keyborad. <- how do I do this in SilicaWebView13:37
TheBootroolbt: i totally agree on that13:37
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locusfbut I don't have no clue about that active cover being an issue13:38
TheBootroolbt: i already disable a lot of timers and an animations on  !Qt.application.active13:38
locusfDorota Koczar reviewed it13:38
lbtTheBootroo: I strongly suspect a bad rejection - but please allow some time to investigate :)13:39
TheBootroolbt:  but as data update can take up to 10 secs on some data connection, i don't wan't the user to have bad info when he finnally get back in app to put he bike back13:39
TheBootroolbt: ok13:39
TheBootrooi'll wait13:39
AardTheBootroo: are you ignoring me? :p13:39
TheBootrooanyway, that's the only thing i can do13:39
TheBootrooAard: nope, only didn't see your message13:40
TheBootrooi'm quite sick todaya nd my brain is running slow, my eyes are kinda foggy, not in my best shape i have to admit13:40
TheBootroo(weather is quite bad here in france, too humid and windy, so i got a very bad cold two days ago, still not gone)13:41
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TheBootrooYaniel: afaik, profile doesn't work on  SDK13:42
sharpneliIf there are no guidelines/API's to enable responsible polling then these kind of issues will pop up in the future.13:43
Yanielsharpneli: yep13:43
Yanielover and over again13:43
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TheBootroosharpneli: depending on app type, you can't always have 'low-power' mode : e.g a spotify app caching playlists offline won't stop or even slow-down downloading just because it's minimized, would be a very weird behavior13:44
hoelzrois there any documentation on how applications are secured from one another on SailfishOS?  I was talking about Sailfish to my coworkers over lunch and this question came up13:45
sharpneliTheBootroo: Yeah. But after it's finished syncing it should sleep for a long time if the screen lock is on13:45
TheBootrooi'm even pretty sure there are cases where app should better do the polling stuff when NOT active, if it has a risk to slow down the user inside the app13:45
locusfStskeeps: any ideas :) ?13:45
Stskeepslocusf: i'll let aard do his talking; but without knowing your app i cannot interpret it13:46
sharpneliTheBootroo: I don't mean when the app is on background and the phone screen is on. I mean the hours and hours phone is in the pocket and nothing is done with it13:46
sharpneliTheBootroo: In that case constant polling will demolish battery13:46
locusfStskeeps: ok :)13:46
TheBootroosharpneli: some apps just need to be closed if you don't use them at all13:46
sharpneliTheBootroo: Therefore there should be an API call to notify apps "Hey we're waking up. Get ready to rock!"13:46
sharpneliI'm talking about apps like weather widget etc13:47
TheBootroosharpneli: remember you only have 9 slots in cover view, so no need to keep 30 apps open all the time13:47
sharpneliBut I also don't want to close all the basic things like weather etc just to keep my battery alive, and then manually start them each time13:47
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Aardlocusf: I might have missed your problem13:48
TheBootrooin fact the energy saving stuff is more important in services and deamon because they are always running and can't be closed13:48
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lbtlocusf: sounds like a bug in the desktop settings ... but I am ignorant there13:49
TheBootrooiarc back in QtMobility days we had an enum value to check if screen is locked or not13:51
TheBootrooshould have landed in QtSystemInfo module maybe13:51
* TheBootroo checking13:51
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locusflbt: Aard: ok :)13:52
TheBootroomaybe in DeviceInfo.activatedLocks13:52
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JonniTheBootroo: actual reason is that your app took 40% CPU when minimized or when screen is off. 200 wakeups a second.13:53
Jonnijust asked from testers.13:53
saildevhey guys, when you download something with your device in which directory can I find them?13:53
TheBootrooJonni: dafuq13:53
TheBootroowell maybe ApplicationWindow.applicationActive doesn't work13:53
FryeWhat am I missing. I have initialPage: FirstPage {} then I have the FirstPage.qml and I am importing the pages folder.13:53
TheBootrooand so my app doesn't stop animations when minimized13:53
lbtsaildev: ~/Downloads13:54
FryeAnd when launching the app is complaining about Type FirstPage unavailable13:54
* lbt is careful not to say "ssh in and check" :D13:54
AardTheBootroo: I'm just discussing with the testing team that they need to provide usage data they gathered during test leading to rejection in the reply to developers. so hopefully should not happen again13:55
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saildevoh, sorry.. my bad :D i had it open but couldn't see anything but then I noticed I plugged my phone off already.. heh ^^13:56
TheBootrooAard: i'm currently testing the applicationActive property on my sdk13:57
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TheBootrooerf sdk still not woring here13:58
TheBootroois builds + create package but fails to deploy them to emulator and throwing a "Project ERROR: Could not connect to MerSDK Virtual Machine. Timeout waiting for reply from server."13:58
TheBootroosurely due to my corporate proxy settings but can't workaround13:58
TheBootroowill need to scp rpm manually and install14:00
lbtI know ...I designed the SDK to avoid that problem but apparently that's not done anymore14:00
JonniTheBootroo: do you happen to use ProgessCircle in your app?14:00
TheBootrooJonni: yep14:00
lbtit should copy from the build engine over the private VM LAN to the emulator14:01
TheBootroobut i put running: Qt.application.active14:01
TheBootrooso if this flag is updated it should stop14:01
JonniTheBootroo: that by default eats a lot of cpu, do yuu disable that when its not showing?14:01
TheBootrooyeah running: :visible14:01
Merbot`TheBootroo: Error: "visible" is not a valid command.14:01
DevBotTheBootroo: Error: "visible" is not a valid command.14:01
JonniTheBootroo: and you turn that id to visible = false somewhere?14:03
TheBootrooJonni: not the id itself but it's parent14:04
TheBootrooand visible is inherited14:04
Jonnias I had similar kind of 200 wakeups a second problem with progresscircle and there was some place where I forgot to switch it off even when it already was drawing something else on top of it.14:05
TheBootrooJonni: in fact, i use BusyIndicator14:06
TheBootroonot ProgressCircle14:06
JonniTheBootroo: can you pastebin your progresscircle codesniplet, just want to see what you do with that timer. Or BysyIndicator code?14:06
locusflbt: is it a known issue in the sdk that the version increase in the .yaml file doesn't trigger specify automatically?14:08
JonniTheBootroo: maybe "running: (parentid.visible && rootItem.applicationActive)" might be worth the try, if visible inheritance would have issues.14:09
TheBootroohow to copy a local file to sailfish VM ? scp annoys me about -i option not being folder, i think it thinnks its the destination14:12
Yanielisn't there some shared folder too?14:13
JonniI usually just add my to vm's authorized_keys so I dont need to play with -i14:13
TheBootrooat least applicationActive seems to be triggered correclty14:14
Nicd-writing my first app :)14:15
TheBootrooJonni: can you try my app with some fix i just did to test CPU usage ?14:15
JonniTheBootroo: sure14:16
TheBootrooJonni: do you want x86 rpm ? or arm one ? or project ?14:16
Jonniarm rpm would be nice, so I can test on actual device14:16
TheBootroojust realized14:16
Yanielthat sounds like a bad idea14:17
TheBootrooi'm screwed14:17
TheBootroowell, i'm totally fucked up14:17
Yanielat least it explains the rejection14:17
TheBootroowell, will do my good old trick : custom component, much more lighter14:18
TheBootroowait a few mins14:18
Yanielwhat do you even need it for?14:18
Yaniela static symbol would be enough to tell the user that things are being updated if that is what you want14:18
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TheBootrooYaniel: i nice time counter14:27
lbtlocusf: mb2 runs specify if the datestamp says yaml is older than spec
TheBootroobut i used an old component of mine, much lighter then ProgressCircle14:28
TheBootrooJonni: ready to test ?14:28
lbtTheBootroo: emulator has rsync14:28
Nicd-hmm, I put a slider on my second page and it appears directly between the first and the second page14:29
lbtmmm - although kaltsi may know where the jolla version of that file is14:29
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TheBootrooJonni:  download package at
kaltsiyes it's here
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Nicd-here's my qml:
Nicd-the slider appears right between the first and second page14:36
Nicd-I've never done QML so I have no idea why14:36
TheBootrooJonni: did you succesfully dl/install it ?14:36
JonniTheBootroo: beheaves much better now, doesnt eat 50% of cpu anymore when cover is minimized.14:37
TheBootrooJonni: how much exactly ?14:37
JonniTheBootroo: its eating 50% when on forground, so its a bit heavy on foreground, but mayb e that is is because there is so many animations on the map.14:38
JonniTheBootroo: on minimized it eats close to 0-2 and sometimes goes to 10% when network updates happen.14:38
TheBootroodidn't found a way to animate mutliple items with same animation14:38
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Jonnibut atleast now you can resubmit, covers should not be rejected anymore, but ofcourse they can find something else too :)14:41
Wntwow, the device is logging quite a lot of output to "journalctl -f -a"14:44
WntI have a email with a ~50MB video attachment stuck in the outbox on the device and it is logging the base64 version of the attachement to the journalctl system all the time14:45
StskeepsWnt: i'll go shout at somebody over that, moment..14:46
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TheBootrooJonni: i think i've found a way to optimize animation, will you test again ?14:46
TheBootroook wait14:47
StskeepsWnt: bug filed14:47
WntStskeeps: great, thanks!14:47
Stskeepsthat should naturally not happen14:47
TheBootrooJonni: same link again, udpated
TheBootroocpu usage should be much more fair now14:48
TheBootrooone animation item to rule them all !14:48
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WntI think I'll need to remove and re-add the email account the message is stuck on14:49
Wntas it seems to try to re-send the message all the time even though I already removed the message from the Outbox14:50
JonniTheBootroo: actually its now around 55% so no improvement or you made it worse14:50
JonniTheBootroo: or dropbox link caches old version14:50
TheBootrooJonni: rly ?14:50
TheBootroocan't be worse14:50
Jonniusually its a good idea to change the url14:50
TheBootrooi have now only one anitmation14:50
TheBootroook wait14:50
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TheBootrooJonni: changed package version14:51
JonniTheBootroo: much better. now its between 5-15% CPU usage14:54
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TheBootroowell, resubmitting14:54
tanghusAny way to get rid of the "Recharge battery" bar in the emulator? A tad annoying14:55
TheBootroosuch a huge perf boost, should be accepted in a couple of seconds ^^14:55
Stskeepstanghus: on PC or laptop?14:55
tanghusStskeeps: PC14:55
Stskeepstanghus: ok, on laptop it actually shows correct battery levels14:56
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tanghuscool, but not so cool when no batteries included ;)14:56
Stskeepsyes, agreed14:56
Stskeepsi don't think we currently support the system property of "this device has built in power source'14:57
tanghusHe he, probably not14:57
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tanghusStskeeps: here in says 87% for some odd reason?14:58
Stskeepstanghus: O_o14:58
Nicd-so can anyone help me?14:59
Nicd-for some reason the slider appears off the page to the left here:
Nicd-and above the text15:01
Yanielshould it be inside the column maybe?15:01
Nicd-but it is?15:01
Yanieloh sorry yes15:02
Yanieldidn't notice the PageHeader15:02
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Nicd-ah, apparently I need to specify anchors.horizontalCenter: parent.horizontalCenter15:05
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Nicd-it was also missing a width attribute15:09
Nicd-that made it float above all other elements on the page15:09
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Nicd-I have set a slider's minimumvalue to 1 and maximumvalue to 30, the slider starts at 015:10
Nicd-is this a bug or is it just required to initialize the value?15:10
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FryeArgh, id: root was not valid. When that was changed to rootPage then it works.15:17
FryeMust have been old example that I followed15:18
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zuhtanghus: You can click on it (couple of times I think) so it goes away15:27
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tanghuszuh: \o/ Why on earth didn't I think of that? Thanks :)15:44
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Nicd-what's the typical path to put javascript files in?15:53
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sigmaorionhi guys! In harmattan I used to use Qt.quit() signal in QML to allow a menu option to quit the application, but it doesn't seem to work in Sailfish. I get "Signal QQmlEngine::quit() emitted, but no receivers connected to handle it.". Any suggestions?15:57
Nicd-quitting the app is done by swiping down from the top15:58
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sigmaorionNicd-, yeah I know, but I would like to add an option in the pulley menu as well. In Harmattan you can close the app swiping, but some apps also add the quit option in the menu...15:59
thesignalis someone from the harbour team in here? i got rejected again, but everything claimed is as it should be. i also unpacked the rpm to take a look....15:59
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Nicd-sigmaorion: why two ways to quit the app? I feel that would just confuse users15:59
LUilufinwhat is Jollas root passwd?16:00
Nicd-LUilufin: enable remote SSH in developer mode settings and you can set the password there. use devel-su to get root16:00
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LUilufinNicd-: thx so much16:01
LUilufin: D16:01
sigmaorionNicd-, otherwise my pulley menu would only have an "About" item... yeah, it's not a good reason, I know, but I wanted to add it16:01
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LUilufinWhat factory reset really do?16:03
LUilufinAre there recovery partition or something?16:03
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WntI'm having problems connecting to my second gmail account via MfE. The first account configured ok and seems to be integrated to the calendar and email nicely. I have "journalctl -f -a" logs of account creation and of opening the email account. Should I send the logs to somewhere?16:10
Wntwell here are links to those logs:
Wntno errors are shown on the device16:11
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Wntto my eyes the messages like "ActiveSync :  syncStarted event ignored, different account id" "ActiveSync :  syncCompleted event ignored, different account id" seem suspicious16:13
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sigmaorionhow should I use Qt::WindowOverridesSystemGestures to lock the swipe?16:26
sigmaorionI couldn't find much info about it...16:27
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ericcc_how  can i  install  browser on  sdk?16:33
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mateiopreahello, can someone tell me more about sailfishos ? can i install it on an android based phone ?16:35
LUilufinPlay Store succesfully installed!16:37
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LUilufinI installed Play Store to my Jolla :316:38
mateiopreaoh ...16:38
LUilufinAnd it works.16:39
mateiopreai like sailfishos ... but i dont know if i can install it on my android :(16:39
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WntLUilufin: nice!16:41
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LUilufinMaybe I should to do intructions? :D16:42
sremesplease do :)16:42
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mhall119congrats to the Jolla developers on the release of their first phone16:46
locusfall Finnish Jolla users, we opened a channel with _Razor_ on #jollasuomi16:47
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Elleois it intentional that QAudioOutput doesn't support any formats?16:57
Elleowhat's the recommended system for outputting raw audio under sailfish? GStreamer?16:57
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Elleohmm, seems that it actually doesn't have any audio devices presented through qaudiodeviceinfo17:08
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Elleoeitherway, what's the prefered mechanism since qaudio is out?17:08
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MSameerElleo: what are you trying to do ?17:16
MSameeri am the gstreamer guy so I use gstreamer but gstreamer is not a store supported API17:16
ElleoMSameer: just push some raw audio out through a sound device17:16
Elleobut qaudiooutput doesn't seem to be supported17:17
Elleoso if I use gstreamer directly I won't be able to publish in the store?17:17
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Elleothis is for cutespotify, I'm getting raw pcm data from libspotify that I'd like to be able to play17:17
MSameerthen you don't need qaudio output17:18
MSameeraha you do17:19
MSameerok i am not sure what the supported API is but maybe you can use libpulse ?17:19
Elleowill that be allowed in the store?17:19
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MSameerElleo: use QtMultimedia17:20
Elleoit'd be a shame to rewrite to use libpulse only to find that I still can't publish it17:21
Elleodoes qtmultimedia allow that level of access?17:21
MSameer seems to be allowed17:21
LUilufinWant someone try install Play Store?17:21
MSameerLUilufin: it's not supported unfortunately17:21
Elleoqaudiooutput is part of qtmultimedia17:22
Elleoand is the recommended mechanism on the qtmultimedia docs for low level output17:22
MSameerElleo: I am not a qt multimedia expert but:17:22
MSameerQMediaPlayer should work17:23
LUilufinMSameer: I installed Play Store to my phone17:23
LUilufinAnd now I want testers for my instructions17:23
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Elleoqmediaplayer isn't low level enough17:23
ElleoI need to be able to set the sample rate, bit rate, etc. for raw audio and push chunks of data to it17:24
Elleowhich is what qaudio is *for*17:25
MSameerElleo: so what is the problem? qaudio output produces no sound or it gives an error?17:25
Elleoqaudio doesn't seem to be supported at all on sailfish17:25
Elleoqaudiodevinceinfo provides a list of 0 supported devices17:25
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MSameeri really don't know :(17:26
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Elleoany idea who the right person to talk to about this would be?17:28
MSameeryeah but he's not on IRC17:28
Elleoany other way I can pester him (work email, etc.)? ;)17:30
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MSameerw00t: do you have any experience with qtmultimedia?17:30
ElleoI found a message on the mailinglist with someone else having the same issue, but it never got any replies17:31
MSameerlet me check the code and see17:32
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MSameerElleo: are you trying on the emulator or the phone?17:34
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ElleoMSameer: emulator, but someone did try running it on the phone as well17:34
MSameerElleo: could you give me some code to test with? a binary would do if you don't want to share the code17:35
Elleoalthough I can't be certain whether there's no qaudio devices on the phone or if there is one but it just doesn't support the right format17:35
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ElleoMSameer: hang on, I'll just push my version with extra qaudio debugging17:35
MSameerElleo: I can help debugging or at least try to17:36
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Elleoactually thinking about it a little sample program might be better17:39
Elleoas to use the main one you'd have to get a spotify key17:40
ElleoI'll just quickly put something together17:40
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MSameerElleo: no need17:48
MSameerElleo: QAudioDeviceInfo::availableDevices(QAudio::AudioOutput) <-- returns empty list17:48
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Elleoif it's any use: http://
Elleothat just basically runs through all the qaudiodevice stuff17:51
Elleochecks available devices, tries to get the default device (doesn't work since there aren't any) then prints all the available info for that device (nothing)17:51
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tanghusHow do I disable or hide a qml element or component? Can't find any hints anywhere17:54
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Elleotanghus: all qml components have a "visible" property which you can make false17:55
Elleowell, all items, not all components17:55
tanghusElleo: I just found visble by trial an error :D Thanks17:55
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LUilufinnow it works18:04
tanghusLUilufin: cool!18:05
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MSameerElleo: i really don't know but i really feel bad to say that there is no supported audio output ATM ::/18:12
piggzLUilufin: do apps that need google play service work? (strava?)18:12
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LUilufinI dont sure18:13
LUilufinIf you can try I can edit my post18:13
ElleoMSameer: yeah, if gstreamer was allowed in the store I'd be happy enough to rewrite it to use an appsrc; but it'd seem a waste of time if I can't distribute it easily18:14
tortoisedoc_hmm the jStore is kind of  a mystery18:15
tortoisedoc_wonder when paid app support will start?18:15
MSameerElleo: gstreamer or even libpulse but they are not allowed18:15
tortoisedoc_MSameer : forever or just for now?18:15
Elleoyeah, that's a shame18:15
MSameertortoisedoc_: just now18:16
MSameerthe API will be expanded for sure18:16
ElleoI'm guessing there isn't a public bug tracker I should be filing this against or anything?18:16
tortoisedoc_MSameer : ok18:16
JonniElleo: we are working on allowing more api's, so stay tuned18:16
tortoisedoc_Elleo: there is a bugtracker on maemo18:16
MSameerElleo: do you mind if I use your test to file a bug?18:16
ElleoMSameer: sure, that'd be good :)18:16
tortoisedoc_actually I wanted to ask how official that is? :)18:17
threshcan anyone with a device and yandex store installed test VLC on theirs phone? I've just update vlc.apk on ystore to be the current one18:17
Elleotortoisedoc_: yeah, I meant more an official bug tracker18:17
Elleobut it sounds like MSameer will handle that side of things :)18:17
MSameersailfishapp.h: No such file or directory18:18
Elleoplus that list on tmo seems more aimed at user bugs18:18
tortoisedoc_thresh : which vlc?18:18
tortoisedoc_remote free?18:18
tortoisedoc_or for android beta?18:19
ElleoMSameer: that header probably doesn't need to be included at all; I just used the sdk template and shoved a quick test into the main method18:19
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threshtortoisedoc_: vlc for android beta18:19
MSameerElleo: no worries18:19
tortoisedoc_thresh : downloading18:19
threshI suppose it wont work, but still :D18:19
Elleothe yaml file might depend on sailfishsilica-qt5 unnecessarily too18:19
tortoisedoc_i need to get some audio :D18:19
tortoisedoc_to test it with18:19
MSameerElleo: an option would be bundling your own copy of qtmultimedia in /usr/share/appname18:20
MSameerElleo: I am serious18:20
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ElleoMSameer: heh, maybe18:22
tortoisedoc_app launches fine18:22
tortoisedoc_but cant find videos from camera18:22
ElleoMSameer: if it isn't fixed by the time my device arrives I might give that a go; otherwise I'll probably just wait and hope it gets sorted at your end ;)18:22
tortoisedoc_perhaps android apps do not have access to all of the phone (as they are sandboxed)18:23
ElleoMSameer: presumably I could also be bundling a build of gstreamer if I wanted too (for a different app)18:23
MSameerElleo: I filed a bug with the test case but I cannot promise when it will be fixed18:23
ElleoMSameer: sure18:23
ElleoMSameer: is that a private bug tracker or is it something I can follow?18:23
MSameerI'd say this is serious because we don't have any way for store apps to output audio18:23
MSameerElleo: I hate to say it but it's our internal one :/18:24
Elleookay, no worries18:24
tortoisedoc_MSameer : are there plans from Jolla to open a bugtracker for SailfishOS at all?18:24
tortoisedoc_(at all === at some point)18:24
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MSameertortoisedoc_: the only way currently is to spam care@jolla ;)18:25
MSameerElleo: but actually, qtmultimedia is open18:26
tortoisedoc_MSameer : lolz oldskool eh18:26
MSameer git clone
tortoisedoc_any chances to have NFC working?18:27
tortoisedoc_seems like apps from android store are crashing for me18:27
threshtortoisedoc_: amazing that it launches :)18:27
MSameertortoisedoc_: i really cannot comment on that. I am just a poor gstreamer guy :)18:27
MSameertortoisedoc_: aha nfc for android?18:27
threshtortoisedoc_: maybe there is a way to put some files in a sandbox to test with? :)18:27
ElleoMSameer: might have a poke at it see if I can work out what's wrong; I'm not massively familiar with qt internals though18:27
MSameerElleo: me too but i will have a look too18:27
Elleothanks :)18:27
tortoisedoc_thresh : ill see what can be done18:28
threshtortoisedoc_: great, thanks!18:28
MSameertortoisedoc_: i poked the guys and will try to get you an answer18:28
tortoisedoc_running out of batter AGAIN18:28
tortoisedoc_second time today :(18:28
tortoisedoc_MSameer : thanks !18:28
ElleoMSameer: just out of curiousity on the gstreamer side, why is alsasink on the device but not pulsesink?18:29
tortoisedoc_usb connected :)18:29
ElleoMSameer: also I noticed that playsink is included but since neither autoaudiosink or autovideosink are there it's not usable18:30
Elleoalthough I guess if it's not aimed at external devs it probably doesn't matter18:30
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tortoisedoc_MSameer : if you could poke the guys responsible for transfer engine it would be even more amazing :I18:31
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tortoisedoc_MSameer : if you could poke the guys responsible for transfer engine it would be even more amazing :)18:31
tortoisedoc_(sorry for double posting)18:31
Elleo(by device I really mean emulator)18:31
MSameerElleo: pulsesink is there18:31
Elleoah, it's not on the emulator image18:31
MSameerElleo: audio output should go through pulsesink not alsasink18:31
MSameerElleo: then it should be a matter of pulling a missing rpm via zypper18:32
Elleoah okay, perhaps it just has -base installed by default18:32
MSameertortoisedoc_: nfc for android apps is not yet supported but it is planned18:32
ElleoMSameer: thanks; it's not particularly important, I was just wondering :P18:32
MSameerElleo: install gst-plugins-good18:32
tortoisedoc_MSameer : thanks, I saw in SDK that it is available I will toy around with it then ;:)18:33
MSameertortoisedoc_: available for native use or android?18:33
ElleoMSameer: yeah, got it now :)18:33
MSameerElleo: so it seems qtmultimedia is built with ulse support for qsound effect (crap)18:33
MSameerbut not for qaudiooutput for whatever reason18:34
tortoisedoc_MSameer NFC ? native18:34
MSameerElleo: wait wait18:34
* MSameer digs more18:34
ElleoMSameer: ah, so is it just a matter of changing the build flags?18:34
MSameer[nemo@localhost ~]$ ./qaudiotest18:35
MSameer[D] main:43 - Available devices:18:35
MSameer[D] main:47 - "sink.primary"18:35
MSameer[D] main:47 - "sink.null"18:35
MSameer[D] main:47 - "sink.fake.sco"18:35
MSameer[D] main:50 - Deafult output device:  "sink.primary"18:35
MSameer[D] main:51 - Byte orders:  (BigEndian, LittleEndian)18:35
MSameer[D] main:52 - Channel counts:  (1, 2, 4, 6, 8)18:35
MSameer[D] main:53 - Codecs:  ("audio/pcm")18:35
MSameer[D] main:54 - Sample rates:  (8000, 11025, 22050, 44100, 48000)18:35
MSameer[D] main:55 - Sample sizes:  (8, 16, 24, 32)18:35
MSameer[D] main:56 - Sample types:  (SignedInt, UnSignedInt, Float)18:35
Elleoooh, awesome :)18:35
MSameersorry for spamming18:35
MSameerElleo: add qt5-qtmultimedia-plugin-audio-pulseaudio to your Requires18:36
tortoisedoc_how to find sandbox of android app...hmm18:36
MSameernow i need to find the bug I filed to invalidate it :p18:36
MSameertortoisedoc_: all apps are in /data/apps18:36
ElleoMSameer: you rock; I'm now getting audio output from cutespotify \o/18:37
Elleoso I might be able to actually put out a package even before my phone shows up :)18:37
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MSameerElleo: sorry it took me a while. I am not a qtmultimedia guy18:37
MSameerbut glad it worked for you :)18:37
MSameerElleo: good work. keep it up :)18:37
ElleoMSameer: no worries, I'd never have figured it out :)18:38
tortoisedoc_MSameer : and data folders for apps?18:40
Elleooh man, being able to switch spotify songs through sailfish covers is so sweet :)18:40
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Jonnitortoisedoc_: /data/data/...18:41
TheBootrooElleo: you are developing spotify client ?18:42
JonniElleo: nice, I can have a new test round when you push your changes to git repo :)18:42
ElleoTheBootroo: yeah,
TheBootrooElleo: would you collaborate with MeeSpot developper too (ylopes) to avoid multiple apps and have one better quality ?18:43
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ElleoJonni: just installing qt5-qtmultimedia-plugin-audio-pulseaudio will fix it18:43
ElleoTheBootroo: it's a port of meespot18:43
Elleoupdated to use qt518:43
TheBootrooElleo: oh right18:43
JonniElleo: ah nice :)18:43
ElleoTheBootroo: I also ported it to ubuntu touch18:43
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TheBootrooElleo: ok, but if i can suggest some things : not too mnay buttons, prefer pulleys, and use monochromatic icons to respect Ambiences18:45
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tortoisedoc_interesting file18:45
TheBootrooand maybe have a more modern logo18:45
MSameeram i the only lazy guy who is not porting apps ? :p18:45
ElleoTheBootroo: yeah, at the moment I'm just getting all the qml updated to work roughly on sailfish, will be working on polish after that :)18:45
tortoisedoc_ /data/data/ :D18:45
TheBootrooElleo: ok18:45
tortoisedoc_MSameer: the whole world is trying to port apps to Jolla but can only on the emulator right now :P18:46
Elleoand things like prettier logos will need to be handled by someone with some design skill ;)18:46
TheBootrooElleo: i can help if you want18:46
KonstaHi, any info where I can download the linux kernel source for Jolla device?18:46
ElleoTheBootroo: sure :)18:46
MSameertortoisedoc_: means i need to wait and my favorite apps will be ported then :D18:47
TheBootrooi'm Qt/QML dev, vector graphic designer, and already done my first Sailfish app18:47
ElleoTheBootroo: the sailfish branch is here:
TheBootrooElleo: is there i git somewhere i could start hackin on ?18:47
ElleoI'll probably be updating the remaining qml files later today18:47
Elleo(to work with silica)18:47
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MSameerKonsta: just allow us more time and all the code will be made available18:49
TheBootrooElleo: my app :
KonstaMSameer: thanks, next week maybe? :P18:50
ElleoTheBootroo: looks nice :)18:50
MSameerKonsta: most likely not this week :)18:50
TheBootrooElleo: git cloned, adding my version of libspotify and my key18:53
Elleocool :)18:53
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tj____hmm how come fingerterm on the device fails to source ~/.bash_profile when starting.. .bash_profile sourced ok when sshing in19:00
Stskeepstj____: HOME= not set correctly?19:00
tj____Stskeeps, nah it's ok. also initial $PWD is /19:02
Stskeepstj____: perhaps just cos of mapplauncherd19:03
tj____wouldn't know about that19:04
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tortoisedoc_TheBootroo : is your spotify version same as QSpot=19:06
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TheBootrooAard: can you review my app ?20:03
AardTheBootroo: as in, 'put on my device to play with it before you resubmit'?20:04
TheBootrooAard: now that performance issue i fixed, i would like to see it accepted into Jolla Store !20:04
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TheBootrooAard: nope already resubmited20:04
TheBootroobut you can play with it anyway20:04
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AardTheBootroo: no, I don't have much to do with that progress (don't even know how I'd get to the store input bits) itself. I'm just in a suitable position to get them reconsider not doing the same mistake twice ;)20:06
TheBootroooh ok20:06
TheBootroowould be nice to have a cartography of jolla teams, know who is who, who does what etc...20:06
Stskeepsit'd always be out of date20:07
AardTheBootroo: it's very flexible20:07
TheBootrooyea Jolla is moving fast20:07
TheBootroofor now i'm interested by Harbour review and Jolla phone packing ;-)20:07
TheBootrooStskeeps: i saw a picture of you on twitter preparing phones for DNA event, are you still doing it for pre-orders ?20:11
TheBootrooAard: i'd like to know if scrolling in my app list is fast, and if dragging map view is easy20:15
TheBootrooon real device20:15
AardTheBootroo: for me, fast enough. ymmv20:15
TheBootroocause Emulator is quite slow20:15
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LUilufinCan I download Cute Spotify somewhere?20:17
ElleoLUilufin: only from my git repo at the moment, and you need to setup your own spotify key and stuff20:17
ElleoI'll see about building rpms for the emulator and for the device when I've finished getting more stuff working20:18
tortoisedoc_Stskeeps : is it true there were handwritten notes in the jolla packages delivered @ dna event20:18
piippohas anyone with actually Jolla device tested if this MPD client works?
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LUilufinhmmp, too hard20:22
SieniMaagitortoisedo: at least I had one :)20:22
ElleoLUilufin: I'll give you a poke when I have some rpms ready for testing20:24
tortoisedoc_now if i could fix this battery drainage it would be THE perfect phone :D20:24
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Stskeepstortoisedoc_: yes20:36
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tortoisedoc_how to change the switch view's bottom 4 icon entries?20:41
tortoisedoc_where are the relative .desktop's ?20:41
raa70just grab icon from appgrid20:41
tortoisedoc_raa70 : grab icon?20:42
tortoisedoc_aah :)20:42
raa70long press for edit mode, then move them around20:43
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raa70how so i get persecute working, rpm -i says i need
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lpotterinstall libsailfish app package20:50
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tanghusI hated layouting with QLayout, I hate it with CSS and now I realize I hate it just as much in QML :(21:06
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TheBootrootanghus: you're doing it wrong, QML has no layout, it has anchors and positionners21:07
TheBootroowhich are incredibly easy to use and powerfu21:08
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TheBootrooin fact, if i could do the same with CSS, i would maybe like Web dev a little more21:08
tanghusTheBootroo: Call it what you want - I just want the stuff to be where I put it ;)21:09
TheBootrootanghus: so learn about QtQuick anchors21:09
mikhastanghus, ;-)21:09
Nicd-so, how do relative paths work when building? I have a qml file qml/foo.qml and a javascript file js/bar.js. foo.qml uses 'import "../js/bar.js"' and qt creator is happy but when building it's not found21:09
TheBootrooit's easy21:09
Nicd-or do I need to add the js folder somewhere?21:09
tanghusTheBootroo: trying to do so without pulling out my hair or crying :D21:10
w00tNicd-: you need to install the qml+js, otherwise it won't move outside your creator project and not do a lot21:11
w00ttanghus: what's the problem you're running into?21:11
tanghusw00t: trying to position a row of elements within a column21:12
tanghuswell, I'll get to it somehow :)21:12
Nicd-w00t: how do I do that?21:12
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raa70So I need to install the sailfishos SDK, grab libsailfishapp there and install it to my jPhone to get persecute working? or am I really missing something?21:13
w00ttanghus: hm. guess i'd need to see it to understand it :)21:14
w00traa70: "pkcon install libsailfishapp" (as root) should get you it21:14
w00tNicd-: i'm probably not the best person to ask as i haven't worked much with the application SDK, sorry21:15
tanghusw00t: maybe I shouldn't use a Row at all, but pure anchors21:15
tanghusReading up on it now21:15
mikhastanghus, Row is an auto layouter21:16
mikhasno wonder you struggle with layouting ;-)21:16
mikhaswasn't there also Grid or the like where you can position stuff yourself?21:16
tanghusmikhas: Yeah, you've got a point there21:16
MSameerThere is Grid and Column too21:17
tanghusI only started on QML a week ago, so eventually I'll have to read some docs :D21:17
raa70w00t: ty21:18
w00tdocs are for losers!21:18
ZogG_laptopTheBootroo: nice app21:18
w00tthere's also Flow (
raa70bothering a dev for a day, keeps the docs away21:19
tanghushe he21:19
FireFlyhrm, I just installed the SDK and when I choose 'create new project' I get no 'SailfishOS' template--how can I figure out what went wrong?  The installation didn't show any errors, and the maintenance tool thing seems to consider the SDK to be in an okay state21:23
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FireFlythis is the linux-64 version, I guess I should probably add21:25
Juice__what am I supposed to type to the SSU allow developer updates registration?21:25
* FireFly feels nooby but has close to no experience with QtCreator..21:25
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tortoisedoc_w00t : any luck with the power traces I left?21:26
w00tJuice__: ssu domain sales21:26
w00ttortoisedoc_: I pointed some of the androidy type people at it, you were pretty helpful already :)21:27
w00ttortoisedoc_: hpefully something will come out of it quite soon21:27
tortoisedoc_w00t : great, for info, battery drainage is quite severe. Twice low on battery in a day21:27
tortoisedoc_I was hoping to be able to get my hands closer to it, but no time so far :/21:28
w00ttortoisedoc_: have you tried things out sans android out of curiosity to see if it visibly makes an impact?21:28
tortoisedoc_sans android === with aliendalvik off?21:29
Juice__w00t: thanks21:29
tortoisedoc_I have, but no data yet21:30
tortoisedoc_I can try to get something together21:30
w00tJuice__: worked ok?21:30
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Juice__w00t: yes, now I can add new repositories and install software21:53
Nicd-yaaaaay, my app reads local storage and pretends to write to it21:55
Nicd-doesn't actually seem to save anything but it's a start! :D21:55
tortoisedoc_its too late for these questions21:57
tortoisedoc_but i have to ask it21:57
tortoisedoc_is the invoker on sailfishos the same from meego?21:57
w00ttortoisedoc_: it's a contination of it21:58
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tortoisedoc_w00t : thanks!22:00
tortoisedoc_w00t : oho there are qt bindings for it?22:00
w00ttortoisedoc_: no - it's really a black box, there's no knobs for applications to touch22:01
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Nicd-is local storage reset every time the app is deployed to the emulator?22:09
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tortoisedoc_w00t : is application launching from home screen based on libcontentaction on real dev?22:13
tortoisedoc_jesus christ my english sucks this late..22:13
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w00ttortoisedoc_: yes:
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tortoisedoc_w00t : thanks22:33
TheBootrooZogG_laptop: thx22:33
tortoisedoc_and good night!22:33
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TheBootrooZogG_laptop: how did you test it ?22:34
ZogG_laptopTheBootroo: i saw screenshots22:34
TheBootroooh ok22:34
ZogG_laptopit wouldn't support my city anyway22:34
TheBootroowhere do you live ?22:34
ZogG_laptopi just thought of making one for my city (for bb10 though) few weeks ago :)22:34
ZogG_laptopin Israel22:34
TheBootroohehe ok22:34
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raa70just when i get persecute installed, coderus pulls the plug till he gets jphone22:36
ZogG_laptopraa70: he CAN'T support you22:37
ZogG_laptopuse native whatsapp for now22:37
raa70yeah I know22:40
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Nicd-I hate myself22:41
Nicd-debugged for 30 minutes why a function always returns null22:41
Nicd-turns out there was no return statement :|22:41
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Nicd-so, when I set value for a slider in QML, the slider's white part is moved but the draggable ball is not22:43
Nicd-how can I move that too?22:43
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raa70is there easy way to get screenshots from the phone?22:46
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lpotteryes: pkcon install lipstick-qt5-tools ; screenshottool22:47
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Elleoevery now and then the SDK reports "Fatal error: [PK_TMP_DIR|dir:///var/tmp/TmpDir.0rgQm4] Repository already exists." when attempting to deploy as an rpm and I have to manually open up zypper and remove that repo22:47
Elleois this a known bug?22:47
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