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| tortoisedoc_ | sailors ahoi! | 07:01 |
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| situ | Can anyone give me link to source code of an app which was accepted in harbour ? Need a sample project which follows guidelines explained in https://harbour.jolla.com/faq | 07:11 |
| tortoisedoc_ | could someone explain the use of hte CATEGORY window property in detail? | 07:13 |
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| zuh | situ: you'll probably want to look at https://github.com/amarchen/helloworld-pro-sailfish/ | 08:25 |
| situ | zuh: Thanks! Will have a look at it. | 08:26 |
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| jabbounet | hello | 10:12 |
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| Frye | Anyone here know a relatively good solution for storing game scores online? | 10:42 |
| Frye | Everything that I have been considering seems to be too easy to manipulate | 10:43 |
| walokra | your own backend server? :) | 10:43 |
| Frye | well yeah | 10:44 |
| Superpelican_ | you could use Node.js :) | 10:44 |
| Frye | But if it is a push of name & score in any form one can just send whatever scores they like | 10:44 |
| Superpelican_ | maybe you can use some kind of hash | 10:44 |
| Superpelican_ | or key | 10:44 |
| Frye | So there needs to be some kind of verification mechanism on the backend and relevant data included | 10:44 |
| jake9xx | or access token | 10:44 |
| jake9xx | w/o token - no access | 10:45 |
| jake9xx | and make sure your php is sealed for sql injections | 10:45 |
| Frye | yeah, but if one has the handset with token he can relatively easily extract it | 10:45 |
| jake9xx | php-site of course | 10:45 |
| Frye | I run no php :D | 10:45 |
| walokra | php... | 10:45 |
| Frye | Too long history with perl... | 10:45 |
| jake9xx | I'd set up a virtual server and run php, sqlite and work from there | 10:46 |
| Frye | I just know 0 php. | 10:47 |
| Frye | So I'm up faster with either perl or python | 10:47 |
| Superpelican_ | well I recently tried a bit of Node.js, just out of curiousity | 10:48 |
| Superpelican_ | and I think it was really simple | 10:48 |
| Superpelican_ | s/was/is | 10:48 |
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| Superpelican_ | I can dig a bit in my FF history | 10:49 |
| Superpelican_ | that tutorial must still be in there | 10:49 |
| Superpelican_ | Frye: http://www.nodebeginner.org/ | 10:50 |
| Superpelican_ | that was what I followed | 10:50 |
| Frye | Ok, I'll take a look at it. | 10:51 |
| Superpelican_ | I created a little web server that showed the uptime of my computer :) | 10:51 |
| Superpelican_ | It's really very simple | 10:51 |
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| tbr | I think the data transfer is not the problem | 10:51 |
| Frye | My biggest worry is not really the language bit. I'm sure it can be made to work with any. But the way to verify that the incoming result is from an actual game | 10:51 |
| tbr | it might help to e.g. work base on hashes that are confirming game progress | 10:51 |
| Frye | tbr, exactly | 10:52 |
| Frye | Something like that | 10:52 |
| tbr | something that can not be predetermined unless you actually play the game | 10:52 |
| Superpelican_ | Frye: http://pastebin.kde.org/pwfxkhm1z | 10:52 |
| Superpelican_ | :) | 10:52 |
| Frye | Or maybe in case of samegame just store the initial board and the clicks | 10:52 |
| Frye | and replay the game on server | 10:52 |
| Superpelican_ | it was pretty fun to do | 10:52 |
| Frye | however that could still be exploited | 10:52 |
| Superpelican_ | And now I've written a little HTML5 Canvas/JS snake clone: http://superpelican.zohosites.com/indian_rock_python.html | 10:53 |
| Superpelican_ | So I maybe I could write a little multiplayer/score server using Socket.IO/WebSockets :) | 10:53 |
| Frye | I have a server ready that could host the high scores database | 10:54 |
| Frye | Just need to think it more over the holidays | 10:54 |
| Frye | Anyway now I'm off for few hours. | 10:54 |
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| Superpelican_ | lbt: Isn't scp'ing to the Sailfish Emulator supposed to work? | 10:59 |
| Superpelican_ | lbt: I'm using exactly the same port and password as with ssh | 10:59 |
| tuukkah | scp has different command line options, -p vs. -P i think | 11:01 |
| jake9xx | yes, that's nasty | 11:03 |
| jake9xx | and in some setups you need to have scp -P .. as the first parameter | 11:03 |
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| Superpelican_ | tuukkah: Thanks! :) | 11:04 |
| Superpelican_ | that was it | 11:04 |
| tuukkah | better create a .ssh/config with aliases for sdk, emulator and phone | 11:04 |
| Superpelican_ | ? | 11:05 |
| Superpelican_ | I installed lbt's screenshot app | 11:05 |
| Superpelican_ | but it doesn't show up in the app drawer | 11:06 |
| Superpelican_ | I'm trying to create 960*540 screenshots for my app to submit it to the Harbour | 11:06 |
| tbr | try the one by fk_lx then | 11:06 |
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| tuukkah | here's my ssh/scp convenience settings: https://gist.github.com/tuukka/8081110 | 11:30 |
| tuukkah | the only part i don't like is having to hardcode the ip address of the phone. has anyone tested setting the hostname of the phone and whether that creates a usable dns entry via dhcp and zeroconf? | 11:31 |
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| tbr | tuukkah: I'd use an IPv6 link local address, problem is that those are interface specific on your dev machine, so would be different for ...%eth0 and ...%wlan0 | 11:37 |
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| tuukkah | umm, how do i check the ipv6 address of the phone? no ifconfig or ip command | 11:38 |
| Nicd- | ip addr | 11:39 |
| tuukkah | ip: command not found | 11:39 |
| Nicd- | hmm, maybe you need to install some tools | 11:40 |
| Nicd- | there was a mer tools package but I don't remember the name | 11:40 |
| tuukkah | makes for difficult tutorials :-/ | 11:40 |
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| tuukkah | hmm, the wlan mac addr i can get from gui, and the link addr from laptop. would combining those give me the phone link-local address? | 11:44 |
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| Nicd- | tuukkah: you can try 'ssu ar mer-tools' | 11:49 |
| Nicd- | it might have ip | 11:49 |
| Nicd- | at least you can install less after that | 11:49 |
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| Pnuu | that more is a weird choice.. | 11:50 |
| tuukkah | Nicd-, hmm, that command didn't do anything except print this: [D] NetworkService::setPath:447 - void NetworkService::setPath(const QString&) "Method "GetProperties" with signature "" on interface "net.connman.Service" doesn't exist | 11:50 |
| Nicd- | well, dunno then | 11:51 |
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| tbr | tuukkah: /sbin/ifconfig | 12:03 |
| tuukkah | ouch, why is /sbin not in my PATH although /usr/sbin is... | 12:11 |
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| jabbounet | hi tuukkah, is it with you I had a discusion about pull/push menu in long list, if yes I've an Idea that will neither break closing app shortcut nor usual scrolling. the idea is let normal list scrolling when swipping from center of screen, and pull/push when swipping down or up from a border (left or right). | 12:13 |
| tuukkah | tbr, how is this supposed to work? i have the laptop and the phone on the same wlan, but their ipv6 addresses are completely separate and i'm not able to connect using them | 12:14 |
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| M4rtinK | jabbounet: or what about having a header ? | 12:16 |
| M4rtinK | jabbounet: swiping down from the header would open the pulley menu | 12:16 |
| M4rtinK | jabbounet: and the header could show current mail folder name, etc. | 12:17 |
| Pnuu | M4rtinK: best idea so far :-) | 12:17 |
| tuukkah | jabbounet, yes, i remember the discussion. adding meaning to the horizontal starting location of the swipe sounds like it might be very difficult for users to grasp | 12:17 |
| M4rtinK | imho would be quite understandable - header & that pulley effect - can activate pulley menu | 12:18 |
| M4rtinK | list view under that - panning there moves the items | 12:18 |
| jabbounet | M4rtinK, is this header take some part of visible screen, if yes we loose some advantage of pull menu to take screen place only when activated, but it's a good idea | 12:20 |
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| M4rtinK | menu you can't activate at any time in a long list is useless menu | 12:23 |
| tuukkah | M4rtinK, jabbounet, agree that header is a good option | 12:23 |
| M4rtinK | say you want to delete the last item in a _big_ mail folder | 12:23 |
| Pnuu | tap+hold | 12:23 |
| tuukkah | M4rtinK, what i suggested was to combine close and pulley menu to both active with border swipe | 12:24 |
| M4rtinK | or a compromise - a menu button in a corner | 12:24 |
| M4rtinK | could be transparent | 12:24 |
| M4rtinK | well, those are not that discoverable | 12:25 |
| M4rtinK | you can add it to the tutorial but still | 12:26 |
| M4rtinK | well if you use the pulley glow & make a transparent header on the top, that activates the pulley menu, that might also work & save screen estate | 12:27 |
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| mike7b4_on_x230 | hi all, just don't remember but what is the recomended way to send sw bugreports? care@jolla.com or care-developer@jolla.com ? | 12:30 |
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| tbr | tuukkah: ssh nemo@fe80::dead:beef:cafe:babe%eth0 | 12:32 |
| tbr | note that you have to use the interface through which the other device is reachable | 12:32 |
| tbr | if you are on wifi it will probably be wlan0 or such | 12:32 |
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| Superpelican_ | .... | 13:02 |
| Superpelican_ | fk_lx's sailshotme doesn't show up either on the emulator | 13:02 |
| walokra | is there some trick to get pushupmenu to work? pulldown works nicely in emulator but cant open pushupmenu | 13:02 |
| tbr | ah, emulator... | 13:03 |
| tbr | let me get you a quick fix | 13:03 |
| Superpelican_ | a reboot didn't help either... | 13:03 |
| tbr | do you have the package lipstick-qt5-tools or are you able to install it? | 13:04 |
| Superpelican_ | well | 13:04 |
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| Superpelican_ | how do you get root access? | 13:05 |
| Superpelican_ | devel-su doesn't work at least | 13:05 |
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| Superpelican_ | ah | 13:06 |
| Superpelican_ | sudo su just works | 13:06 |
| Superpelican_ | tbr: it worked! :) | 13:07 |
| tbr | "screenshottool PATH DELAY" | 13:07 |
| Superpelican_ | I can now see lbt's screenshot | 13:07 |
| tbr | ok | 13:07 |
| tbr | interesting.... | 13:08 |
| Superpelican_ | hmm | 13:08 |
| Superpelican_ | but it won't start | 13:08 |
| Superpelican_ | I'll try to CLI then | 13:08 |
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| Superpelican_ | :( | 13:18 |
| Superpelican_ | the screenshottool doesn't seem to work anymore | 13:18 |
| Superpelican_ | I made 1 screenshot with it | 13:18 |
| Superpelican_ | scp'ed it over to my physical computer | 13:18 |
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| Superpelican_ | and now it just says that it creates screenshots | 13:18 |
| Superpelican_ | but it doesn't actually create them | 13:19 |
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| Superpelican_ | :facepalm: | 13:21 |
| Superpelican_ | I just found out that Virtualbox can take screenshots too -_- | 13:21 |
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| Superpelican_ | :D it works perfectly, perfect 960*540 screenshots! | 13:23 |
| Superpelican_ | I can really recommend this | 13:23 |
| Superpelican_ | it's absolutely hassle-free! | 13:23 |
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| Pnuu | Superpelican_: how about print screen button?-) | 13:24 |
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| Superpelican_ | Pnuu: Yes, but that triggers ksnapshot | 13:26 |
| Superpelican_ | I had made screenshots previously with that app | 13:26 |
| Superpelican_ | but the problem is | 13:26 |
| Superpelican_ | my screen is 1333*768 :( | 13:26 |
| Superpelican_ | So the emulator screenshots will not be 960*540 or higher | 13:26 |
| coderus | Superpelican_: LOL | 13:27 |
| Superpelican_ | the VBox built-in feature is just perfect | 13:27 |
| Pnuu | :-) | 13:27 |
| coderus | let me remember... | 13:27 |
| Superpelican_ | (well at least with the new SDK, that has the 960*540 resolution) | 13:27 |
| coderus | /usr/lib/qt5/bin/qdbus org.nemomobile.lipstick /org/nemomobile/lipstick/screenshot org.nemomobile.lipstick.saveScreenshot /home/nemo/Pictures/Screenshot-`date +%d-%m-%y-%H-%M-%S`.png | 13:28 |
| coderus | and voila! | 13:28 |
| Superpelican_ | Would you mind if I'd prefer the built-in VBox feature? ;) | 13:29 |
| Superpelican_ | it's just 2 clicks away :) | 13:29 |
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| coderus | make an desktop icon | 13:31 |
| coderus | 1 click | 13:31 |
| Superpelican_ | Yes, but I'd still need to scp the file from the emulator to my $HOME :) | 13:31 |
| coderus | make host ssh script making screenshot and copying to your folder | 13:32 |
| coderus | or just mount emulator with sshfs | 13:32 |
| coderus | and dont need to scp anyting :D | 13:32 |
| Superpelican_ | Where is the tools pane in GIMP 2.8? | 13:32 |
| Superpelican_ | never mind | 13:33 |
| Superpelican_ | it's now in Tools->Transform->Move :) | 13:33 |
| qrosh | hey is there a way to push a pully menu to open a dialog? | 13:34 |
| Superpelican_ | qrosh: yes | 13:34 |
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| Superpelican_ | You just creat a MenuItem{} | 13:35 |
| Superpelican_ | with onClick: <openthedialogcodehere> | 13:35 |
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| qrosh | superpelican: is it even possible if the dialog is on a different page/ or lets say in a different file? | 13:35 |
| Superpelican_ | s/onClick/onClicked | 13:35 |
| Superpelican_ | stupid DOM! | 13:35 |
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| Superpelican_ | well I have my Dialog *as* a seperate file | 13:36 |
| tuukkah | thanks tbr, got it working now. didn't know about having to append %wlan0 to the address. and it seems to be a bug that /sbin is in PATH in fingerterm but not in ssh logins | 13:36 |
| qrosh | but using import i suppose? | 13:36 |
| Superpelican_ | qrosh: You could check out my simple app here: https://bitbucket.org/Superpelican/quick_clamshell/src/ | 13:36 |
| Superpelican_ | It does exactly what you want | 13:36 |
| Superpelican_ | https://bitbucket.org/Superpelican/quick_clamshell/src/ecba1caec0f172417c4b4804d43a0dd4b5f2a976/pages/EnterMultiplicationTableDialog.qml?at=default | 13:37 |
| Superpelican_ | the dialog ^ | 13:37 |
| qrosh | thanks a lot | 13:37 |
| Superpelican_ | https://bitbucket.org/Superpelican/quick_clamshell/src/ecba1caec0f172417c4b4804d43a0dd4b5f2a976/pages/StartPage.qml?at=default | 13:37 |
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| Superpelican_ | and the page with the pulley menu that opens the dialog ^ | 13:37 |
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| Superpelican_ | No problem :) | 13:38 |
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| Superpelican_ | Glad I could finally help someone here :) | 13:38 |
| Superpelican_ | I'm always the one who receives help normally ;) | 13:38 |
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| walokra | Superpelican_: what does that app do? | 13:39 |
| Superpelican_ | walokra: It's a multiplication tables practising app :) | 13:39 |
| Superpelican_ | for example children | 13:39 |
| Superpelican_ | s/for example children/for for example children | 13:40 |
| walokra | the name isn't very descriptive :) | 13:40 |
| Superpelican_ | no | 13:40 |
| Superpelican_ | I wanted to follow the Sea Themed names :) | 13:40 |
| qrosh | Superpelican on which file is the dialog started? | 13:41 |
| Superpelican_ | StartPage.qml | 13:41 |
| Superpelican_ | line 17 :) | 13:41 |
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| tbr | tuukkah: that %interface is ipv6 specific. This should btw work _everywhere_ unless the WiFi filters traffic hard. | 13:41 |
| Superpelican_ | LOL | 13:42 |
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| Superpelican_ | GIMP 2.8: "Zealous Crop" | 13:42 |
| qrosh | Superpelican is it possible to have multiple dialog pages in one file like this? | 13:45 |
| tuukkah | tbr, clever indeed | 13:47 |
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| qrosh | nope ahh well a file per dialog step it will be | 13:48 |
| tbr | that's why I suggested it. IPv6 is awesome and underestimated | 13:48 |
| Superpelican_ | oops | 13:50 |
| Superpelican_ | qrosh: s/line 17/line 32 | 13:50 |
| Superpelican_ | line 32 is how you open a dialog from a file | 13:50 |
| Superpelican_ | and line 17 is how you create a MenuItem with an onClicked property | 13:51 |
| qrosh | Superpelican: I did find it after looking a bit deeper ;) by the way stop posting vi(m) repairs xD | 13:51 |
| qrosh | s/repairs/repairs of your mistakes || does this even work? | 13:52 |
| Superpelican_ | qrosh: They are the standard here at #sailfishos, #mer and #nemomobile ;) | 13:54 |
| Superpelican_ | I didn't even know it were vi(m) repairs! | 13:54 |
| Superpelican_ | I never use vi(m) | 13:54 |
| qrosh | its vim search and replace | 13:54 |
| Superpelican_ | the only command line editor I can grasp is nano ;) | 13:55 |
| Superpelican_ | I once followed a tiny vi(m) online tutorial | 13:55 |
| qrosh | if I remember correctly though I am no vim pro | 13:55 |
| Superpelican_ | although I have to admit that it has some nice things | 13:55 |
| Superpelican_ | you'll really have to invest quite some time | 13:55 |
| qrosh | thats what I did too its an amazing little editor. | 13:55 |
| Superpelican_ | to really use all it's power | 13:56 |
| Superpelican_ | so I just use KWrite and Qt Creator :) | 13:56 |
| qrosh | I just use it for basic file editing instead of nano | 13:56 |
| Superpelican_ | nano is a godsend for me :) | 13:56 |
| Superpelican_ | ... | 13:56 |
| Superpelican_ | they really have to fix the GIMP GUI | 13:57 |
| Superpelican_ | it's awful | 13:57 |
| qrosh | I think personally learned from friends that vim is easy compared to emacs | 13:57 |
| Superpelican_ | well I don't know | 13:57 |
| Pnuu | qrosh: normal regexp replace :-) | 13:57 |
| Superpelican_ | maybe emacs would be easier for me | 13:57 |
| Pnuu | nothing vi(m) specific | 13:57 |
| Superpelican_ | all the switching between command and input mode | 13:57 |
| Superpelican_ | I don't like it | 13:58 |
| qrosh | ok Pnuu sorry I just saw it the first time in vi(m) | 13:58 |
| Superpelican_ | I just saw it the first time in IRC ;) | 13:58 |
| qrosh | and I cannot remember that it was the same in JAVA but ohh well never really used it | 13:58 |
| Superpelican_ | FINALLY! | 13:59 |
| Superpelican_ | I've been able to spawn a toolbox | 13:59 |
| lbt | it's standard regexp ... typically sed/perl/vi ... and it's used (sparingly) in irc to correct mistakes | 13:59 |
| Superpelican_ | Why have they even left it out of GIMP 2.8? | 13:59 |
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| tuukkah | tbr, does this make sense: when the screen is off, the ipv6 address says address unreachable but ipv4 continues to work? | 14:01 |
| mfulz | how can / shall I pass exceptions from c++ classes to the qml? I can't find anything explaining that... | 14:01 |
| Superpelican_ | What do guys/gals think of my Store Cover image: http://ubuntuone.com/1dUC0dpOC4xVG3YG6dgXZz ? ;) | 14:04 |
| lbt | mfulz: that makes little sense | 14:04 |
| Superpelican_ | disclaimer: I'm a pretty lousy designer | 14:04 |
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| lbt | qml/c++ should have pretty discrete areas of interest | 14:04 |
| qrosh | and another question is there an easy way to just map a value onto an dialog selection option, i.e. I select Germany and map as an answer the value de ? | 14:04 |
| lbt | it's like saying "what colour should my exception be" :D | 14:04 |
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| Superpelican_ | woohoo | 14:05 |
| Aard | lbt: stupid question. red, of course. | 14:05 |
| lbt | :D | 14:05 |
| Superpelican_ | Now I'm only 1 simple step away of submitting my app to the Store :D | 14:05 |
| mfulz | ok but how shall I handle errors then? Explanation: I'm working on a filechooser dialog atm. and when a.e. changing to a folder without permissions, just returning an emtpy list is a bit stupid | 14:06 |
| lbt | Superpelican_: soften the edges of the shell in gimp | 14:06 |
| lbt | mfulz: now that is a sensible question :) | 14:06 |
| lbt | you have a middleware layer ... it has information and state; the UI represents that | 14:07 |
| Aard | mfulz: do it like a proper python coder, don't handle errors :p | 14:07 |
| mfulz | I was thinking of using some method which returns an error string or null and updating the view accordingly, but for me that looks a bit dirty... | 14:07 |
| mfulz | Aard: Good one :D | 14:07 |
| lbt | mfulz: question ... did you change to the dir but can't read it or did you prevent the cwd ? | 14:08 |
| Superpelican_ | lbt: BTW I didn't design that Clamshell, it's Morpog_PC's ;) | 14:08 |
| mfulz | not decided atm. but for a "stupid user" when trying to change a dir (in case I would prevent cwd) when nothing happens is bad as well, isn't it. | 14:09 |
| lbt | did the cwd operation fail or is there a state of error (with information) about the cwd | 14:09 |
| Superpelican_ | I could never create such a nice Clamshell ;) | 14:09 |
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| lbt | mfulz: since those questions impact how you display information .. what's the usage model | 14:09 |
| mfulz | filechooser dialog | 14:10 |
| lbt | mental model - read what I said and think about it :) | 14:10 |
| lbt | why did you even show the user a dir they cannot pick ? | 14:10 |
| lbt | did they type it in | 14:10 |
| lbt | etc etc | 14:10 |
| mfulz | oh you're so right | 14:10 |
| mfulz | :D | 14:10 |
| mfulz | thanks was not even seeing this simple solution.... | 14:11 |
| lbt | ok ... but now what happens when you allow the user to enter a folder | 14:11 |
| lbt | when we finally make SD cards work what happens when a folder they're looking at goes away | 14:11 |
| mfulz | hm yes that's another issue | 14:12 |
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| mfulz | isn't there no "normal" way for exception handling in qml? | 14:12 |
| lbt | like i say - you're thinking about it badly | 14:12 |
| lbt | the UI must never see an exception | 14:13 |
| lbt | it sees a representation of the UI model | 14:13 |
| lbt | the model must be rich enough to handle the usage | 14:13 |
| mfulz | ah now I got it - I hope | 14:13 |
| lbt | it requires a 'backend' which has no GUI ... and a QML UI | 14:14 |
| raa70 | how do i install .apk's from terminal, pushing it in transfer window does nothing, so I'd like to see what's happening | 14:14 |
| Pnuu | raa70: pkcon install-local package.rom | 14:14 |
| Pnuu | rpm | 14:14 |
| lbt | the nice thing is that it will then be more easily ported to different UIs - like tablets, nemomobile etc | 14:14 |
| Pnuu | ah, apk | 14:14 |
| Pnuu | nevermind.. | 14:14 |
| lbt | type apk and press <tab> | 14:15 |
| lbt | raa70: see what comes up | 14:15 |
| qrosh | worst case alien it to rpm? | 14:15 |
| mfulz | another basic question: How can I debug with qtcreator for sailfish? It's just "launching" the app forever any basic settings to take? | 14:16 |
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| Superpelican_ | :D | 14:18 |
| Superpelican_ | just submitted my app for QA | 14:18 |
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| raa70 | lbt: apkd and apkd-install found, can't get anything out of the with --help | 14:21 |
| raa70 | them | 14:21 |
| Superpelican_ | raa70: IIRC you should use apkd-install | 14:21 |
| lbt | yeah - Aard wrote them ... don't expect docs :P | 14:21 |
| Superpelican_ | It worked for me when installing an APK on a friend's Jolla | 14:22 |
| * Superpelican_ is still trying to resist Android Support | 14:22 | |
| lbt | but but but ... Candy Crush Saga! | 14:22 |
| lbt | ok, you may have a point :D | 14:22 |
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| Superpelican_ | At least I now have one game on my Jolla :) | 14:23 |
| Superpelican_ | SameGame | 14:23 |
| raa70 | i installed blitzkrieg, a world of tanks clone, worked fine | 14:24 |
| * Superpelican_ looks up the developer of SameGame | 14:24 | |
| lbt | Superpelican_: the puzzle master is good too | 14:24 |
| Superpelican_ | Frye: Thanks! :) | 14:24 |
| Superpelican_ | lbt: I'm working on a mobile version of http://superpelican.zohosites.com/indian_rock_python.html | 14:25 |
| Superpelican_ | It's not native | 14:25 |
| Superpelican_ | ...but it'll be fun :) | 14:25 |
| Superpelican_ | It's my first game | 14:25 |
| lbt | it wouldn't be hard in js/qml | 14:26 |
| Superpelican_ | :nod: | 14:26 |
| Superpelican_ | I'm still thinking of creating a native version ;) | 14:26 |
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| Superpelican_ | lbt: Well it would be an honor to create the first snake game for Sailfish OS :) | 14:31 |
| Superpelican_ | considering Jolla's history ;) | 14:31 |
| Stskeeps | well, strictly speaking, the n8xx games might be more applicable | 14:31 |
| walokra | can i install my rpm to device directly from qt creator? | 14:34 |
| walokra | ah, found it | 14:35 |
| qrosh | Superpelican: in your dialog is it still possible to go back into the dialog after it is "finished"? | 14:37 |
| Superpelican_ | qrosh: You mean after you have accepted the dialog? | 14:38 |
| qrosh | yes! | 14:38 |
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| Superpelican_ | qrosh: Well you can swipe back to the home screen to quit the practising session | 14:39 |
| Superpelican_ | qrosh: and then start a new session, which will spawn a new dialog | 14:39 |
| Superpelican_ | (at least if you choose the "one multiplication table practising" mode) | 14:40 |
| qrosh | ok thanks because frankly I want to be able to open the app have a blank page in first start, use pully menu to enter a dialog select something. onAccept the dialog jumps back to start page and the start page will then be populated.. | 14:41 |
| Superpelican_ | ok | 14:42 |
| qrosh | BUT I cannot use PageStackAction.Pop and PageStackAction.Replace does let me jump back into dialog | 14:42 |
| Superpelican_ | qrosh: Why can't you use PageStackAction.Pop() then? | 14:43 |
| qrosh | throws some error will post it in a sec | 14:43 |
| qrosh | duhh clean and error disappeared.. | 14:45 |
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| qrosh | Superpelican: sorry had a typo.. | 14:47 |
| qrosh | s/duhh clean and error*/ doPop:526 - Warning: cannot pop while transition is in progress | 14:48 |
| Superpelican_ | ah | 14:48 |
| Superpelican_ | I expected that one | 14:48 |
| Superpelican_ | a few months ago I got that error too | 14:48 |
| Superpelican_ | when developing Quick Clamshell | 14:49 |
| qrosh | so how did you solve it? | 14:49 |
| Superpelican_ | I ended up using PageStackAction.replace() | 14:50 |
| Superpelican_ | but | 14:50 |
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| Superpelican_ | my app doesn't do the same thing as your app | 14:50 |
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| Superpelican_ | My app spawns a new page | 14:50 |
| Superpelican_ | the QuestionPage | 14:50 |
| Superpelican_ | when the dialog is accepted | 14:50 |
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| Superpelican_ | it replaces the dialog with a QuestionPage | 14:50 |
| Superpelican_ | qrosh: So unfortunately you'd have to ask somebody else for this ;) | 14:53 |
| Superpelican_ | qrosh: You could for example ask w00t | 14:54 |
| qrosh | w00t did you say? :P | 14:54 |
| Superpelican_ | w00t a.k.a. Robin Burchell | 14:55 |
| Superpelican_ | (a Jolla employee IIRC) | 14:55 |
| qrosh | I know | 14:55 |
| qrosh | I just could not resist xD | 14:55 |
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| Superpelican_ | The awesomeness: I can see my HTML5 canvas/JS game running in the browser cover :D | 15:02 |
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| mfulz | are there predefined icons in sailfish sdk / qml for folders, files, links, etc. | 15:52 |
| mfulz | ? | 15:52 |
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| Kondou | mfulz: have a look at /usr/share/themes/jolla-ambient/meegotouch/icons on the phone (should be the same on the sdk) | 16:04 |
| Kondou | you may use them like this: image://theme/[imagename] | 16:05 |
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| qrosh | Superpelican_ do you by chance know where to add an startup function ? | 16:07 |
| qrosh | i.e. a function that runs on start up. | 16:07 |
| Superpelican_ | qrosh: What do you mean with "startup function" | 16:08 |
| mfulz | great thanks Kondou | 16:09 |
| qrosh | Superpelican_ a function that runs on startup, like download stuff from network | 16:09 |
| Superpelican_ | qrosh: Is it a C++ or JS app? | 16:09 |
| qrosh | JS | 16:09 |
| Superpelican_ | well | 16:09 |
| mfulz | theme is then jolla-ambient? | 16:09 |
| Superpelican_ | I don't really have experience (yet ;) ) with QML+JS_only | 16:09 |
| Superpelican_ | but | 16:09 |
| Superpelican_ | there should be loads of examples etc. | 16:10 |
| Superpelican_ | on the web | 16:10 |
| Superpelican_ | so a quick search | 16:10 |
| Elleo | qrosh: if it's qml based you can just do "Component.onCompleted: { // your code }" within your ApplicationWindow | 16:10 |
| Superpelican_ | will undoubtedly reveal a lot | 16:10 |
| Venemo | qrosh: if you mean QML, use Component.onCompleted as Elleo suggested | 16:10 |
| Superpelican_ | hmmm | 16:11 |
| Kondou | mfulz: sort of | 16:11 |
| Superpelican_ | just tried http://superpelican.zohosites.com/indian_rock_python_mobile.html on my Jolla | 16:11 |
| Superpelican_ | but HTML buttons are a bit slow to react | 16:11 |
| Superpelican_ | so they really make for an awful gameplay | 16:11 |
| Superpelican_ | Elleo: Does QML/Qt have a HTML5 canvas like thing? | 16:11 |
| Elleo | Superpelican_: yep | 16:12 |
| Elleo | Superpelican_: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qml-qtquick2-canvas.html | 16:12 |
| Superpelican_ | And is it also hardware/OpenGL accelerated? | 16:12 |
| Elleo | it's designed to be pretty familiar for html5 users too | 16:12 |
| Elleo | I expect so, just about everything in QML is | 16:12 |
| Superpelican_ | "The Canvas.FramebufferObject render target utilizes OpenGL hardware acceleration rather than rendering into system memory, which in many cases results in faster rendering." | 16:13 |
| Superpelican_ | I guess, yes | 16:13 |
| qrosh | Elleo && Venemo thanks | 16:13 |
| Superpelican_ | "The Canvas item supports two render targets: Canvas.Image and Canvas.FramebufferObject." | 16:13 |
| Superpelican_ | So the Canvas.Image isn't hardware accelerated | 16:13 |
| Elleo | qrosh: no problem :) | 16:13 |
| Elleo | ah, right | 16:14 |
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| Venemo | Superpelican_: depending on what exactly you want to accomplish, you might be better off writing it in C++ | 16:14 |
| qrosh | ohh yea js fileaccess read & write through xmlhttprequest? | 16:15 |
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| Yomi | Hm. Compared to the BlackBerry 10 OS, how similar are the SailfishOS gesture based interactions? | 16:20 |
| Venemo | Yomi: the gestures are basically similar but what they do is quite different. also there's one or two of them which are unique to each platform | 16:24 |
| Superpelican_ | Venemo: Well, I just wanted to create a little Snake game, so I think JS will do for that ;) | 16:25 |
| Superpelican_ | Venemo: I already have a JS version running: http://superpelican.zohosites.com/indian_rock_python.html | 16:25 |
| Superpelican_ | and Firefox CPU usage is just 3% over here when playing the game | 16:25 |
| Venemo | Superpelican_: on a phone or on a desktop? | 16:26 |
| Superpelican_ | (and no I don't have a hexacore Core i7 over here ;) ) | 16:26 |
| Superpelican_ | just a modest Core i3 2310M | 16:26 |
| Superpelican_ | well, on a laptop ;) | 16:26 |
| Venemo | surely | 16:28 |
| Venemo | and did you try it on the jolla device or in the emulator? | 16:28 |
| Superpelican_ | Venemo: well I did try it on my Jolla | 16:29 |
| Superpelican_ | (the mobile version) | 16:29 |
| Superpelican_ | but didn't check the CPU usage | 16:29 |
| Superpelican_ | well actually I did | 16:29 |
| Superpelican_ | but | 16:29 |
| Superpelican_ | it said only 0.3 % for sailfish-browser | 16:29 |
| Superpelican_ | so I don't think that is correct ;) | 16:29 |
| * artemma started using Jolla phone after BB10 just a few hours ago. An urge to get to task manager/home via Swipe from bottom is strong. What's worst, *sometimes* it works :( | 16:29 | |
| artemma | oh well, we'll see. First hours give pain due to inconsistencies, but maybe after learning curve everything will feel natural | 16:30 |
| lbt | artemma: if it ever works that's a bug :) | 16:31 |
| Venemo | Superpelican_: so what exactly is the problem then? | 16:31 |
| artemma | lbt: no-no, it works as specified. It's just so that swipe from not-exactly bottom from lock screen indeed gets you to task manager | 16:32 |
| Superpelican_ | well there is no problem, I think? :P | 16:32 |
| lbt | artemma: that's fine - a swipe from inside the screen edge is a pull and that's OK | 16:32 |
| Venemo | Superpelican_: oh. I thought you were asking about it because you weren't statisfied with performance | 16:32 |
| artemma | lbt: yes, maybe with training I will learn to be very clear about swiping from edge or from screen | 16:33 |
| Superpelican_ | well | 16:33 |
| Superpelican_ | no | 16:33 |
| Superpelican_ | I was just considering creating a native QML version of my HTML5 canvas version | 16:33 |
| Venemo | okay, sorry then, I misinterpreted what you said | 16:33 |
| Venemo | but yes, you should create a QML version :) | 16:33 |
| lbt | artemma: yes, you have to be - but you don't need to pull from 'just inside' the edge - in fact that makes it harder - I usually pull from the center of the screen | 16:34 |
| artemma | and well, some things will be natural to improve, so I guess you guys will work on more consistency | 16:35 |
| Superpelican_ | Is there anyone creating/porting an ereader app for Sailfish currently? | 16:35 |
| lbt | yep (but afaik that gesture is 'correct') | 16:35 |
| artemma | so far I seem to rely on swipe left-right from the edge as on "get me out of here to familiar task manager" gesture, but.. it does nothing in home screen. So then I have to keep a two dimensional map of screens in mind.. | 16:36 |
| artemma | lbt: everything is correct to my understanding, maybe after learning it will feel familiar. So far it feels like I have to learn several navigationa; methods in many places. Like Pulley menu that doesn't work in Maps or Browser. For good reasons, but it's a need to learn yet another app navigation method nevertheless | 16:37 |
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| artemma | actually even two nav methods more as Browser and Maps let you access menu differently :( | 16:37 |
| lbt | artemma: *nod* | 16:38 |
| lbt | the pulley menu is available, common but not 'required' | 16:38 |
| lbt | and I agree - maps/browser are unusual | 16:38 |
| lbt | browser is 'clever' but slightly odd | 16:38 |
| Yaniel | there is a hint on the ui if there is a pulley | 16:38 |
| Frye | Hmm, maps UI is qml | 16:39 |
| lbt | ie whilst you're reading and progressing down the page there is no chrome | 16:39 |
| Frye | Is there a way to disble screen blanking via qml? | 16:39 |
| lbt | as soon as you move 'up' the chrome appears | 16:39 |
| * artemma wants strongly enforced (by Jolla guidelines) SINGLE AND FOR EVERY APP navigational patterns. Let's take this good thing of iOS | 16:39 | |
| Frye | It's ANNOYING as ¤#%#¤%#¤ to have maps open and the sceen go blank every minute =) | 16:39 |
| Frye | So it just might be enough to add something to prevent the screen blanking | 16:40 |
| Superpelican_ | lbt: May I ask what actually was the reason to use pkcon instead of just zypper in Sailfish OS? | 16:40 |
| artemma | BTW, does anybody know how to get to a list of browser downloads? So far I get there only if I am quick enough to tap on notification | 16:40 |
| Superpelican_ | (zypper fan here :) ) | 16:41 |
| lbt | Superpelican_: it's more that we use PackageConfig API | 16:41 |
| Frye | artemma I think there is Transfers under settings | 16:41 |
| Frye | which show the downloads | 16:41 |
| Superpelican_ | lbt: And what does teh PackageConfig API add/do? | 16:41 |
| Elleo | yeah, settings -> system settings -> transfers | 16:42 |
| Superpelican_ | s/teh/the | 16:42 |
| artemma | Frye, thanks, I would never guess myself to look for Downloads in system Settings :) | 16:42 |
| lbt | it's just pkg-config apparently | 16:42 |
| Frye | Me neither | 16:42 |
| lbt | and it's an API, not a cli | 16:42 |
| Frye | I cannot remember by what accident I ended up there | 16:42 |
| Superpelican_ | lbt: Yes, but what does it add to zypper? | 16:43 |
| lbt | no ignore that - wrong webpage :) | 16:43 |
| Elleo | Superpelican_: packagekit acts as an abstraction layer on top of lots of backends | 16:43 |
| Superpelican_ | I know | 16:43 |
| Elleo | so you have one interface that works for rpm, deb, etc. | 16:43 |
| Superpelican_ | but why does Sailfsih use it then? | 16:43 |
| Superpelican_ | I mean | 16:43 |
| Elleo | plus it allows for lots of nice permissions handling | 16:43 |
| Superpelican_ | Mer doesn't use it, does it? | 16:43 |
| lbt | Superpelican_: PackageKit | 16:43 |
| Elleo | and lock handling | 16:43 |
| * Superpelican_ just made an evil plan | 16:44 | |
| Elleo | so users can install stuff without needing sudo, and you don't end up in a state where e.g. the store is holding a lock file preventing you from doing stuff at the command line | 16:44 |
| Elleo | because they both just talk to the backend daemon which adds things to its queue for you | 16:44 |
| Superpelican_ | let's try what happens when I run pkcon install, while installing an app for the Store >:) | 16:44 |
| lbt | Superpelican_: exactly | 16:44 |
| Elleo | yeah, not sure you can actually install two things at exactly the same time, but you can certainly have two apps talking to the packagekit backend | 16:46 |
| lbt | you can't but it handles locking or queues the request iirc | 16:47 |
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| Superpelican_ | darn Jolla | 16:47 |
| Elleo | yeah | 16:47 |
| Superpelican_ | it's too fast at uninstalling Store apps ;) | 16:48 |
| Elleo | heh | 16:48 |
| Superpelican_ | now I can't try what happens | 16:48 |
| Venemo | Superpelican_: try it from SSH and hit enter just at the moment when you hit the button in the store | 16:48 |
| Superpelican_ | ok, will try :) | 16:49 |
| Venemo | if it bricks the device, I'm sorry in advance | 16:49 |
| Yaniel | hah | 16:50 |
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| Superpelican_ | hmm | 16:52 |
| Superpelican_ | I don't know what to install | 16:52 |
| Venemo | my app | 16:53 |
| Superpelican_ | well | 16:53 |
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| Superpelican_ | I was actually talking about a package ;) | 16:53 |
| Superpelican_ | for the "pkcon install ..." | 16:53 |
| Yaniel | nethack? | 16:53 |
| Superpelican_ | ok | 16:53 |
| Superpelican_ | I'll install that | 16:53 |
| Superpelican_ | I doubt I'll ever use it | 16:54 |
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| Superpelican_ | but | 16:54 |
| zuh | check first if it's available ;) | 16:54 |
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| Superpelican_ | hmm | 16:54 |
| Superpelican_ | the command doesn't respond | 16:54 |
| Yaniel | in case you don't know, it is an ancient game | 16:54 |
| Superpelican_ | ah | 16:54 |
| Superpelican_ | it was indeed queued | 16:55 |
| Superpelican_ | the command responsed just after the Jolla Store said "Installed" :) | 16:55 |
| zuh | Yaniel: Well preserved game, please! ;) | 16:55 |
| Yaniel | sure | 16:55 |
| * zuh still plays it | 16:55 | |
| Superpelican_ | unfortunately it decided to respond with: "Command failed: This tool could not find any available package: could not find nethack" | 16:55 |
| Yaniel | so do I every now and then | 16:56 |
| Superpelican_ | oh well | 16:56 |
| Superpelican_ | it served it's purpose ;) | 16:56 |
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| mfulz | if I include an image source: "image://theme/icon-m-folder" it's working but when I want to use a JS function which returns the string it's not working anymore | 17:01 |
| mfulz | like source: getImage() | 17:01 |
| mfulz | does someone know why? | 17:02 |
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| mike7b4_on_x230 | I have an issue with two of my apps, they dont shutdown mainloop when close the application code here: https://github.com/mike7b4/push2sail/blob/master/src/push2sail.cpp | 17:07 |
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| jpnurmi | argh, why does the sdk keep shuffling the .yaml file contents? | 17:12 |
| mfulz | sorry found it | 17:15 |
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| artemma | jpnurmi: Jonni promised it's gonna be disabled in the future? | 17:27 |
| artemma | jpnurmi: Jonni promised it's gonna be disabled in the future | 17:27 |
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| artemma | Is there any [good] known way to sync google calendar with Jolla? | 17:28 |
| artemma | oups, wrong channel | 17:28 |
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| jpnurmi | artemma: ok, good to hear. it's super annoying to have such randomly changing file in a repo :) | 17:31 |
| artemma | jpnurmi: I dare to have it as a personal success in convincing people :) | 17:31 |
| artemma | jpnurmi: workaround that helps me is to keep .yaml open in the text editor for fast undo | 17:32 |
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| Yomi | Does SailfishOS have a Swype style keyboard? | 17:49 |
| Pnuu | no | 17:50 |
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| Superpelican_ | Yomi: You could always write a Maliit plug-in IIRC ;) | 17:54 |
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| * Yomi hasn't written anything besides HTML and CSS. | 17:55 | |
| Superpelican_ | Yomi: Well now could be the first time ;) | 17:56 |
| Yomi | Mhm. | 17:56 |
| * lbt advises QML for Yomi ... similar concepts to HTML/JS/CSS | 17:57 | |
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| mudyc | is there some bugzilla available? | 17:58 |
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| Jonni | artemma: I havent said such thing, but maybe someone else has | 18:01 |
| artemma | Jonni: someone did.. but I didn't remember name probably.. | 18:02 |
| * artemma is bad with remembering twitter nicks | 18:02 | |
| Pnuu | mudyc: I believe there will be in together.jolla.com | 18:02 |
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| Jonni | maybe some way to report bugs yes, but bugzilla no. | 18:06 |
| jupaja | did anyone had luck to create a iSync Plugin? the Jolla has SyncML Interface on USB and on BT and USB PC-Suite Interface | 18:07 |
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| mudyc | jupaja is syncml worth something? | 18:12 |
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| attah | Has anyone looked at HLS (http live streaming) in Sailfish? | 18:40 |
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| jabbounet | hello | 18:44 |
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| Venemo | hi | 18:54 |
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| attah | Is it possible to, in the scope of an app, extend gstreamer so that it could handle HLS, or how would one go about this arcane magic? | 19:01 |
| Frye | Hmm, is there a way to force application to stay active and keep display on. g for mapping software? | 19:02 |
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| Elleo | attah: you could package up extra gstreamer plugins with your app and set the GST_PLUGIN_PATH variable | 19:04 |
| Elleo | (and any other library dependencies you need for those plugins) | 19:05 |
| Elleo | so you'd probably also need to set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH too | 19:05 |
| javispedro | attah: https://gitorious.org/hls-player ? | 19:05 |
| attah | Elleo: thanks.. sounds like a great entry point! | 19:06 |
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| Elleo | I'd assume you'd just need the hlsdemux element + decoders for whatever format you're encoding with | 19:06 |
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| attah | Javispedro: Looks like the frontend, or? I'd still need the gstreamer plugins i think.. | 19:07 |
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| attah | Elleo, i dumped the stream into a mp4 container and that plays very well already | 19:09 |
| javispedro | attah: a cursory look reveals the python script fetches the data itself over HTTP and then uses a gstreamer appsrc to pass it to a decodebin | 19:09 |
| javispedro | attah: no HLS-specific plugins needed, just appsrc, decodebin, and then whatever need for container and codecs (mp4, h264, ...) | 19:10 |
| attah | javispedro, cool! | 19:10 |
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| javispedro | hum, it pushes file-sized buffers to appsrc, so I presume that HLS files/segments must be somewhat small | 19:12 |
| javispedro | interesting fragment in https://gitorious.org/hls-player/hls-player/source/0945b102f29be8002cb63a448039d930a10473ee:HLS/player.py#L131-139 | 19:13 |
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| attah | 100k seems pretty moderate, doesn't it? | 19:16 |
| jabbounet | I've a question about sdk, is there a page that describes command line used by qtcreator to call compiler, start/stop sdk and emulator (as I'm used to editing with an other editor I would like to have some way to not go back to ide to check my work is correct) | 19:16 |
| flux | jabbounet, QMAKE_CXXFLAGS += -std=c++0x | 19:17 |
| flux | oops | 19:17 |
| flux | https://github.com/amarchen/Wikipedia/blob/master/README.md#build-from-command-line | 19:17 |
| flux | is it possible to use something more recent than gcc-4.6 with the sdk? | 19:18 |
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| jabbounet | many thanks flux | 19:19 |
| flux | jabbounet, I just asked that yesterday and got the link from tuukkah ;) | 19:20 |
| flux | I suppose already 4.6 should have lambdas, but more recennt versions come with even more c++11 features.. | 19:20 |
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| gsdhgcvertgrjh | WARNING WARNING WARNING, WARNING | 19:41 |
| gsdhgcvertgrjh | WARNING WARNING WARNING, WARNING WARNING | 19:41 |
| gsdhgcvertgrjh | YOU MAY BE WATCHED | 19:41 |
| gsdhgcvertgrjh | YOU MAY BE WATCHED | 19:41 |
| gsdhgcvertgrjh | YOU MAY BE WATCHED | 19:41 |
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| mfulz | how can I highlight a mousearea on click? | 19:41 |
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| lbt | onClick: area.colour = blue | 19:42 |
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| mfulz | ah thanks | 19:43 |
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| javispedro | attah: not enough knowledge of HLS to say, but they tested with RTVE which is a "popular" spanish TV network so I presume 100k is a common setting | 19:49 |
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| attah | javispedro: me neither really.. and it depends on the bitrate of course.. but i feel the need to learn this stuff.. i suspect no-one else will do svtplay native otherwise | 19:53 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | whew | 20:02 |
| tortoisedoc_ | gettng ready for christmas is heavy | 20:02 |
| mfulz | lbt: that's not working for a listview, I found the highlight property, but when setting to a.e. highlight: Rectangle { color: blue } it just highlights the first element always | 20:03 |
| flux | how nice that if I start a project from scratch in Sailfish SDK by using the default Sailfish template, I'm bound by the BSD license with the advertising clause | 20:04 |
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| flux | I guess the three random Sailfish apps I tried were not created that way, because they don't mention Thomas Perl in their 'about' if they even have that | 20:07 |
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| lbt | flux: what license / terms would make more sense? | 20:08 |
| flux | well, would it be radical to make it public domain? | 20:09 |
| flux | I certainly don't expect to be bound by any terms when I click 'create new project' in an ide :) | 20:09 |
| lbt | you are, of course, free to write something from scratch | 20:10 |
| flux | that is true. but what of value is gained by that license? | 20:12 |
| flux | (in this use case that is) | 20:12 |
| flux | personally I use BSD without advertising clause for my projects, but I don't put a license on short code clips I give as examples to people. | 20:12 |
| lbt | Jolla gives you code - you may not use Jolla's name in code derived from that code | 20:12 |
| flux | well, strangely I still must mention jolla in the binary and documentation | 20:13 |
| lbt | yes | 20:13 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | flux : where in the binary you "must" mention jolla? | 20:14 |
| lbt | yeah it is 'or' technically | 20:14 |
| tortoisedoc_ | lbt : any well-documented list of window properties for lipstick somewhere? | 20:14 |
| flux | well, I suppose technically it doesn't require the program to output it, though these programs typically don't come with easily user-accessible documentation, but here is the chapter: | 20:15 |
| flux | "Redistributions in binary form must reproduce the above copyright notice, this list of conditions and the following disclaimer in the documentation and/or other materials provided with the distribution." | 20:15 |
| mfulz | ah sorry I was asking the wrong question :) | 20:15 |
| mfulz | lbt: I want to animate the click event not highlight the item | 20:15 |
| flux | separately is mentioned the source code part, I suppose it's ok to leave it there though the contribution to the final program might be quite small. | 20:15 |
| lbt | personally I recreate much of the template :) | 20:15 |
| lbt | also there are non-jolla community templates | 20:16 |
| lbt | I'm hoping the SDK will eventually support "use this template from github" or something | 20:16 |
| tortoisedoc_ | statr | 20:17 |
| tortoisedoc_ | *starting a project from scratch (empty) is never a bad idea | 20:17 |
| lbt | mfulz: animations are typically tied to a state change | 20:18 |
| lbt | http://qmlbook.org/ch05/index.html#animations | 20:18 |
| flux | none of the harbour-installed files seem to come with documentation | 20:18 |
| flux | so I guess they either are not using the template or they are in violation of the license. | 20:19 |
| lbt | flux: I think that's a fair point - the SDK doesn't do a good job of packaging license files etc | 20:20 |
| Jonni | lisence in template is most likely a bug, lets see if we can change it to some better one in future updates. | 20:20 |
| mfulz | ok but how can I identify the list item, it's created dynamically inside my c++ code | 20:20 |
| mfulz | I don't have an id? | 20:20 |
| flux | (actually some of the .qml files have the license for obvious reasons) | 20:21 |
| lbt | mfulz: not something I know about :) | 20:21 |
| tortoisedoc_ | btw speaking for SDK | 20:21 |
| tortoisedoc_ | and qtcreator | 20:21 |
| tortoisedoc_ | a project created in subdir of either home / extra source folder, results in "error source code not in <home> or <alternative source>" | 20:22 |
| tortoisedoc_ | (at least on win) | 20:22 |
| mfulz | ok I'll have a look | 20:23 |
| tortoisedoc_ | now, if someone could help me with the window properties question above, it would be awesome :) | 20:23 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | hmm btw | 20:33 |
| tortoisedoc_ | if I would like to set system-wide env variable @ boot | 20:33 |
| tortoisedoc_ | which is the right place? | 20:33 |
| lbt | bwahahaaaa | 20:33 |
| tortoisedoc_ | .bashrc? | 20:33 |
| qwazix | I want to run some commands in my app as root, but I don't even know where to start searching. On maemo we had sudoers, is there something equivalent in sailfish? | 20:33 |
| lbt | qwazix: what command? | 20:34 |
| qwazix | lbt, the access point thingie | 20:34 |
| lbt | I'm 99.99% sure the answer is "no" for harbour apps | 20:35 |
| * lbt puts "messenger" hat on | 20:35 | |
| qwazix | lbt, anyway, it'd still be useful in a community repo or something | 20:35 |
| * tortoisedoc_ readies shotgut for messenger :P | 20:35 | |
| tortoisedoc_ | these harbour "restrictions" can be, how to say, "challenging"? | 20:36 |
| lbt | I think you'd need to depend on sudo | 20:36 |
| lbt | I agree | 20:36 |
| qwazix | (or for own use, though somebody might steal my device and accidentally find the source code on it) :-P | 20:36 |
| lbt | but they're not maemo-extras - they're Ovi :) | 20:36 |
| lbt | chum is for community | 20:37 |
| lbt | https://build.merproject.org/project/show?project=sailfishos%3Achum%3A1.0.1.10 | 20:37 |
| qwazix | lbt, ovi did allow doing things as root however | 20:37 |
| lbt | oh, I never used it :) | 20:37 |
| lbt | it warrants disussion though | 20:37 |
| qwazix | (on the other hand I fully understand the reason behind not allowing it, and to be frank I'm fine with that) | 20:38 |
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| qwazix | I suppose I have to compile sudo, or is that available somewhere? | 20:40 |
| lbt | it's available somewhere | 20:40 |
| qwazix | :nod: | 20:40 |
| lbt | rofl | 20:41 |
| lbt | it's in mer-tools by default | 20:41 |
| qwazix | yay mer-tools | 20:41 |
| lbt | just be careful since a malicious app can easily try to sudo without declaring a dependence | 20:42 |
| qwazix | hmm, and it installs passwordless by default (at least on emulator) | 20:43 |
| lbt | I'd be happy to accept patches for mer-tools sudo packaging to provide a variants on the config | 20:44 |
| lbt | which depend on a sudo-base | 20:44 |
| qwazix | I'd be lying if I said I have any experience with sudo and security | 20:45 |
| lbt | :) | 20:45 |
| qwazix | but let me play with it a while and we'll see... | 20:46 |
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| mfulz | lbt: if you're interested I provided to my model the index and used that one with listview.currentIndex = index to know the selected item | 20:51 |
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| lbt | mfulz: yeah - I guessed something like that. glad it worked | 20:52 |
| mfulz | yep slowly I'm starting to understand the concept | 20:59 |
| winfriedd | Some things are not possible without root permission, so I'd also like to see some solution. | 20:59 |
| winfriedd | Preferably where the user has to acknowledge first. | 20:59 |
| mfulz | just need to take some time to get all the things to some emacs mode - really hate qtcreator in comparism :-/ | 21:00 |
| Waitee | vim masterrace | 21:00 |
| mfulz | I used vim a lot as well but switche then some time ago to emacs | 21:01 |
| mfulz | for coding it's better in my opinion | 21:01 |
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| mfulz | but of course that's a matter of taste | 21:01 |
| Waitee | i personally prefer sublime text 2 | 21:02 |
| mfulz | but yeah how to let a an app run with higher permissions? I'm working on a vpn client app atm and would need it for the openvpn process | 21:02 |
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| lbt | mfulz: you should look at connman integration then - I don't think that needs root | 21:05 |
| mfulz | connman integration? | 21:06 |
| lbt | sailfish uses connman | 21:07 |
| mfulz | hm never hear about that | 21:08 |
| tbr | are there tun/tap modules yet? | 21:09 |
| mfulz | yep | 21:09 |
| mfulz | I just used pkcon for installin openvpn and the client (from terminal) is working smoothly | 21:09 |
| tbr | ok | 21:09 |
| mfulz | so I wanted to use it via GUI app | 21:09 |
| lbt | so I really think you need to make it work using connman-vpn.service | 21:12 |
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| lbt | then talk to lpotter about what you need in policies for user-controlled vpn | 21:13 |
| lbt | otherwise it will be hard to get into harbour | 21:13 |
| mfulz | ok | 21:13 |
| lbt | ty - I know it's more complex than just running openvpn and setting up configs | 21:14 |
| lbt | and it may need support from Jolla in an OS update | 21:14 |
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| qwazix | lbt, sudo on the device installs and user 'nemo' is not in the sudoers so I suppose no security hole there | 21:17 |
| lbt | ok | 21:17 |
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| mfulz | sudo? | 21:25 |
| mfulz | would be a possibility? | 21:25 |
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| Elleo | is there any way to change the colour of links in QML Labels? The html support appears to be much more limited than on MeeGo, so style/color attributes don't seem to have any effect | 21:57 |
| Elleo | and the default blue looks pretty bad against the dark sailfish backgrounds | 21:57 |
| Jonni | Elleo: yes, there is example in devel mailing list how to change url colors. | 21:57 |
| Elleo | ah, excellent, thanks | 21:57 |
| lbt | mfulz: not in harbour apps | 21:57 |
| Jonni | Elleo: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2013-November/001110.html | 21:58 |
| Elleo | Jonni: thanks :) | 21:59 |
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| mfulz | :( | 22:02 |
| mfulz | ok | 22:02 |
| Elleo | looks like it was just the explicit change to RichText I needed | 22:02 |
| Elleo | thought that was set automatically based on content | 22:02 |
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| Dry_Lips | Hi... is there a port for lumia 900? | 22:06 |
| Waitee | no | 22:07 |
| Dry_Lips | Awwww | 22:07 |
| qwazix | setting /etc/hostname doesn't seem to persist reboots, is that normal? | 22:07 |
| qwazix | I mean the file does remain changed, but the hostname resets | 22:08 |
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| tbr | qwazix: it seems to draw from dhcp or reverse dns | 22:24 |
| tbr | might be connman? | 22:24 |
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| leszek | hi | 22:39 |
| leszek | how can I access a function from my FirstPage.qml (initial Page) from within CoverPage.qml ? | 22:39 |
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| lbt | leszek: FirstPage.qml isn't a thing... it's a definition. You created an instance of it in the ApplicationWindow and put it in the "initialPage" property | 22:54 |
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| leszek | yeah. But how can I know access the function ? I thought I could just call my mainWindow.initialPage.function() but that seems not to work | 22:58 |
| leszek | -k | 22:59 |
| lbt | tbh that's what I thought too :) | 23:00 |
| leszek | seems to be a general problem at least to me how to access functions of objects inside a Component | 23:01 |
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| lbt | leszek: got it | 23:09 |
| lbt | you assign an id to the FirstPage | 23:10 |
| lbt | eg: initialPage: List { id: root } | 23:10 |
| lbt | now in cover root.myfunc() is visible | 23:10 |
| leszek | testing right now | 23:11 |
| leszek | does not work. root is unknown | 23:13 |
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| leszek | I am sure that it is because the firstPage is loaded inside a component | 23:14 |
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| leszek | initialPage: Component { FirstPage { id: root } } | 23:14 |
| qwazix | tbr: yeah, it gets the same hostname as my router | 23:14 |
| qwazix | weird thing is I assigned a hostname to it via router but it doesn't take that | 23:15 |
| leszek | lbt: I am sure that it is because the firstPage is loaded inside a component that I cannot acces root then | 23:15 |
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| lbt | leszek: yes, likely | 23:15 |
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| leszek | but there must be a workaround. Otherwise I don't know why qtcreator/sailfish sdk by default uses this code | 23:16 |
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| mfulz | anyone got this dialog working? https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-dialog.html | 23:25 |
| mfulz | it's just not passiing back the property :( | 23:26 |
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