Friday, 2013-12-27

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janioff to sleep, gotta work tomorrow, thanks everyone.00:01
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w00tlbt: not entirely sure00:06
w00topengl isn't something i know well00:06
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lbtOK, I actually meant :  QOpenGLShader::Geometry  too00:07
lbtit's failing to compile but not telling me I shouldn't be compiling it00:08
lbtnot sure if Qt checks the GL capabilities00:08
lbterm, the shader is failing to compile at run time00:09
lbtQOpenGLShader::compile(Geometry): failed00:09
lbtw00t: do you know if lipstick or Silica plays with the glcontext?00:10
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MSameerartemma: do you mind if i submit a competitive flash light app ? ;)00:59
artemmaMSameer: I don't think it would change anything :)00:59
artemmaI mean whether I mind it or not00:59
PeterParkartemma & MSameer : is source code available?01:00
artemmawell, the more good apps the better. Hopefully mine at least goes through harbour first. QA times seem to be not very predicatable01:00
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artemmaPeterPark: mine is closed, but the idea of how I do it is open (and contributed by many including lots of help by MSameer )01:01
artemmaMSameer: have you found a way for using the proper torch api somehow?01:03
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PeterParkartemma: I am struggling to find further infos about jolla/sailfish: There is the QT Stuff, but I came from n900 and there was a central place getting all infos (for example I am searching for a method to get all mp3 files, or all vid, etc..) . Where did you guys get your info?01:06
artemmaPeterPark: mostly in this channel and mailing list01:06
artemmathat is for me at least01:06
PeterParkartemma: ahh  than I am not soo wrong ;)01:07
ElleoPeterPark: DocumentGalleryModel is probably what you need for that01:07
PeterParkElleo: Thanks!01:08
Elleoiirc one of the sailfish examples in the SDK uses it for displaying images if you want an example of usage01:09
PeterParkElleo: yes I am just looking into it.. yuite impressive: the code is really small01:12
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ElleoPeterPark: one thing to be aware of is that tracker only indexes files in ~/Videos ~/Pictures ~/Music and on the sd card, so it'll only find files in those locations01:18
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PeterParkElleo: yes, unfortunately he finds also my coverart and the media player has problems with mp3s without any id3 tags.. he just ignores them :)01:22
PeterParkI try to build small tools to ease my pain..01:23
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MSameerartemma: i will not submit it if you refuse because I have an advantage over you01:30
artemmaMSameer: what sort of an advantage>01:31
MSameerartemma: PeterPark but I did not write any code yet but I do only GPL/LGPL stuff01:31
MSameerartemma: I work for jolla so I know when features make it before others :P01:31
artemmaso torch api is supported in the next firmware build? :)01:32
MSameerthere is a way which will be released soon via gstreamer directly01:32
MSameergstreamer layer will support it but not qtmultimedia01:32
MSameerand I cannot tell if it's in the next update or not01:32
MSameerI can only tell you when the update is out01:32
artemmaoh well, if your app is better, then it's better. Better choice for the user01:32
MSameerso I can do the app by using gstreamer directly01:33
artemmaI knew what I was risking when decided to spend time fighting with the torch stuff01:33
artemmawell, if you feel like giving me some sort of a encouragement, I think it's okay if you submit so that my app is first for a week or so01:34
MSameeri added the property for your use case but qtmultimedia did not catch up01:34
artemmabut I don't think you should be forbidden forever01:34
MSameerI hate to step on people's feet just because I can01:35
artemmaand a hint on how exactly you do it, would also be handy - I could try the same :)01:35
MSameerartemma: I will tell you when I verify that it's available in the upcoming update but you have to stick to this channel :P01:35
MSameerbut note that gstreamer is not a supported store API so you will have to work around that01:36
artemmahmm, how will your app be able to use it then?01:36
MSameerbundle its own copy maybe01:37
artemmait still needs to plug into some allowed lower level interface, doesn't it?01:37
MSameeror see if i can get get away with using dlopen01:37
artemmaI am not sure about the stepping on feet analogy. You know, if I step away from allowed competitions tracks using lots of energy and the other guys starts when a new track is open in the same space.. :)01:38
M4rtinKwell, shouldn't the Qt torch API just be fixed ? :)01:38
M4rtinKso that apps don't have to ship hacks for each platform01:39
artemmaM4rtinK: *right now* I don't mind broken API as it gives me a head start due to a working (and improvable further) hack. But other developers might not agree :)01:40
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artemmaand in any case I think it's more important to fix camera bug with whole device crashing when two apps try to use camera simultaneously. Might hit Torch API cases as well01:41
M4rtinKoh, that was pretty broken even back on Harmattan01:43
M4rtinKwell, not _that_ broken :)01:43
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artemmaMSameer: I thought about it again. I think people should not be prevented from releasing competitive apps. But if you feel like you are using knowledge not publicly available to others it can be solved, by sharing when you know it. Ot if impossible/difficult/not allowed, then you can give a headstart to others01:56
artemmaMSameer: Say, if today you discover that gstreamer way will be possible, but it will became public info in two weeks, then two weeks long head start should be fare enough. Okay, maybe + maybe one week more if you want to be absolutely sure you are not overusing your position01:58
MSameerM4rtinK: well, Qt should be fixed but I am not responsible for Qt02:02
MSameerartemma: watch the updates and check the properties on droidcamsrc02:02
MSameerartemma: if you find a video-torch property then that is what you need02:03
artemmaMSameer: I worked with gstreamer a little in the past, so I guess a way would be to create a simple pipeline and start-stop it. A'la this thing from harmattan times, but probably with the different source
artemmawell, that's anyway better than my hack02:04
artemmathanks for letting me know. Hopefully, meanwhile there will be somebody who will show how to bundle libraries with the app02:05
MSameerartemma: sailfish uses droidcamsrc02:05
MSameerbut viewfinder-mode should be replaced with mode02:05
artemmaMSameer thanks02:06
MSameerartemma: this should be enough from the command line:  gst-launch-0.10 droidcamsrc  mode=mode-video video-torch=true name=d d.vfsrc ! droideglsink02:06
artemmatrying it already just in case it's already possible :)02:07
MSameerif it brings up torch then you should be fine02:07
MSameerit's not possible yet02:07
MSameerartemma: I already share because I will create a GPL app :p02:08
MSameerso if someone wants to know, he will find out how02:08
artemmaOpen source has it's good sides indeed :)02:08
MSameeri am not bashing you because your code is closed. this is completely up to you02:09
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MSameerI don't like it but I still respect your work02:09
artemmaI do my part of sharing back to the community the other way. Like in this channel. And in a couple of open projects too: HelloWorld Pro and Wikipedia02:10
artemmafollowing Jolla's approach actually (that was not the point, just happens to be same point of view I guess): common stuff to be shared, special differentiator - closed02:10
MSameeras I said, you do what you like. that's not the point02:11
MSameerjolla welcomes all developers and community contributions02:11
artemmayep, just sharing point of view02:11
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yfgyugs87WARNING       WARNING      WARNING,                       WARNING02:36
yfgyugs87WARNING             WARNING              WARNING,     WARNING         WARNING02:36
yfgyugs87 YOU MAY BE WATCHED02:36
yfgyugs87YOU MAY BE WATCHED02:36
yfgyugs87                YOU MAY BE WATCHED02:36
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Elleothp: sent you a merge request for mer-python3 to fix the multiprocessing module which gets broken by OBS's build configuration; just let me know if anything is unclear or if you want it handled differently :)05:01
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coderustortoisedoc_: ? :D ? morning !07:10
tortoisedoc_coderus: thanks good morning to you too07:11
tortoisedoc_i did not know cygwin replaced cwd of exes with /usr/bin by default :/07:12
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tortoisedoc_will have to go for mingw then it seems :<07:22
Morpog_Jollacoderus why does mitikuulaa use MyDocs folder? Would be better to have those folders in zracked folders like Pictures / Documents / Videos07:24
slatedoes it? or is it the android-version?07:24
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Morpog_Jollaits definately mitikuulaa07:32
Morpog_Jollacopied from there a received video to Video folder07:34
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Nicd-Morpog_Jolla: mitakuuluu :D07:39
Nicd-I love the misspellings of the app name07:39
Nicd-mittakuluu, mitakuulu, mitikuulaa07:39
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Morpog_Jollait's hard for non finnish07:55
zuttomitikuulaa is quite well misspelled :P07:56
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pp_more interesting, most of them are valid finnish (but mean something very different)07:59
pp_"what's up" "the measure is wearing out" "what did you hear" "miti is shot putting"08:01
Nicd-never heard someone call the act of shot putting "kuulaa"08:03
pp_yea, you wouldn't actually say it like that08:04
pp_probably more exercising with a kettle bell08:05
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tortoisedoc_oh boy08:34
tortoisedoc_mingw is slow as a turtle compared to cygwin08:34
* tortoisedoc_ gets another cup of coffee08:34
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coderusMitakuuluu update to v0.1-6 released.08:40
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slateawesome, updating08:42
coderusMorpog_Jolla: my bad.08:42
coderusMorpog_Jolla: i'll remove MyDocs in next update.08:43
Nicd-0.1-6 already? oooh08:44
coderusbtw, is it suitable to download media to Pictures / Videos / Music without WHatsApp subfolder?08:44
coderusNicd-: just small bugfixies and ui improvement, check closed issues.08:44
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Morpog_Jollagreat update coderus08:46
slatedc-remorse o/08:46
Morpog_Jollacoderus, i would prefer subfolders in them, as filenames are pretty long and weird08:47
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Morpog_Jollaup to you of course :)08:48
coderusso, /home/nemo/Pictures/WhatsApp/picture12345.png will be cached by default?08:48
Nicd-coderus: nice update08:48
crysazcoderus: are you going to publish it also on harbour?08:49
Morpog_Jollacoderus, i think so, let me try quick08:50
coderuscrysaz: sure, as soon it will be stable enough08:50
coderusMorpog_Jolla: yes, i asked because you can try :)08:50
Morpog_Jollacoderus works08:56
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coderusMorpog_Jolla: okay :)08:57
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Morpog_Jollaoh btw coderus, do we really need seconds on timestamp?09:11
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thpElleo: looks good, merged - thx :)09:15
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welluhello there!09:22
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coderusMorpog_Jolla: there are a lot of free space in header, so, why not? :D09:33
Morpog_Jollacoderus in header of course, but not in chatview09:35
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MFaro-TusinoWhy is Sailfish.Media not allowed in Harbour?09:37
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fk_lxMFaro-Tusino: because it doesn't pass the requirements?09:38
MFaro-Tusinofx_lx: I know that09:38
MFaro-TusinoMean why does it not pass?09:38
fk_lxthere is always a reason given by Harbour QA09:38
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coderusMorpog_Jolla: well, i can add option to settings. i like seconds :)09:54
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coderusMFaro-Tusino: keep asking about Sailfish.Media here. I think it can be accepted since core apps using it :)09:56
MFaro-Tusinocoderus: I thought that too09:57
MFaro-Tusinojust me, or is the ssh pass reset every reboot?09:58
coderusMFaro-Tusino: its for security reasons :)09:58
MFaro-Tusinoits a p.i.t.a09:58
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coderusjust install your key and login with key password/without login09:58
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coderuspassword ssh login is pita ;)09:59
coderususe keys09:59
welluhmm.. spec and yaml hell here... Tried to add new .js file to my project but it does not get copied to device.09:59
Morpog_Jollacoderus on jolla decice ssh pasdword persists10:01
MFaro-TusinoMorpog_Jolla: Not for me it doesn't10:02
tortoisedoc_anyone got imap working with self-signed cert?10:03
tortoisedoc_for me copying of cert does not work yet :/10:03
Jonniyou can always upload your public keys on device, or just set passwd to root10:03
Morpog_JollaMFaro-Tusino strange10:04
Morpog_Jollawhere did you set it?10:05
coderuswellu: qt project?10:05
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MFaro-Tusinomorpog_jolla: passwd nemo10:06
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Morpog_Jollawrong place :)10:06
Morpog_Jollasettings --» developer mode10:06
MFaro-Tusinowell seeing as Settings > Dev Mode reset on reboot, figured i needed to do passwd10:07
MFaro-Tusinosee ^10:07
MFaro-TusinoBy any chance have you not fiddled around to get GPLay store to work?10:07
Morpog_Jollatry a device reset10:08
Morpog_Jollano I haven't10:08
MFaro-TusinoThats probably it10:08
MFaro-TusinoI have10:08
Morpog_Jollaandroid apps are not worth risking my system :)10:08
wellucoderus: Just trying out some Sailfish coding.. Added new JS file to my project by hand, listing it in the .pro file OTHER_FILES too.10:09
Morpog_Jollai can always sideload needed apps10:09
wellucoderus: apparently what I need to do is to add custom INSTALLS stanza to my .pro file, right?10:09
coderuswellu: added it to INSTALLS?10:09
wellucoderus: :) Not yet... I'm at it.10:10
coderuswellu: :D10:11
MFaro-Tusinocybetter: Ping me if you're around10:11
wellucoderus: so something along the lines:10:12
wellujs.files = js/engine.js10:12
coderusi'm changing all fixed anchors to Theme ones. what display resolution of Jolla?10:12
wellujs.path = ??10:12
welluINSTALLS += js10:13
coderuswellu: js.path = /usr/share/$${TARGET} usually10:13
coderussubfolder it as you want to use it in your project10:14
coderususually it /usr/share/$${TARGET}/qml/js10:14
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coderusMFaro-Tusino: disable autocorrection for window if it possible :)10:15
MFaro-TusinoI disabled it in sys pref but it still happens!10:15
wellucoderus: got it working. Thanks!10:16
wellucoderus: so it seems that I don' t need to touch with .spec nor .yaml files directly?10:17
coderusMFaro-Tusino: Mac thinking for you :D10:17
coderuswellu: right. qtcreator should do it for you10:17
coderuswellu: only in some special cases for adding dependency, etc10:18
zuhcoderus: is what you are looking for?10:18
coderuswellu: and changing app version ofc. :D10:18
coderuszuh: i'm just asking. not for development :)10:18
wellucoderus: seems logical enough10:19
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zuhcoderus: Well, the example given there should be what you are looking for then :)10:20
zuh(from Ample 4.5" IPS qHD (960x540) display)10:20
coderuszuh: i'm not asking about development, man. i have no Jolla, i'm just asking what screen resolution it have?10:20
coderuszuh: thanks god :D10:20
zuhcoderus: from the doc I linked "For example with 540x960 display the height would return 960."10:20
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kontiocoderus: use to not hardcode the size...10:23
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coderuszuh: i know framebuffer on Jolla have portrait orientation :)10:31
coderuskontio: :D i'm not asking for development :D10:31
kontiosorry didn't read well the back log...10:32
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wellumoro rainemak veskuh Jonni :)10:51
veskuhmoro wellu10:51
lbttortoisedoc_: pong10:53
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tortoisedoc_lbt: related to cross-gdb from win7; I got a debugger compiled, and it can step / break etc, but code highlight is missing and it falls back to disasm by default10:54
tortoisedoc_(ie it is not able to find sources apparently)10:54
welluHmm... Can't launch SailfishOS debugger for some reason. I'm seeing Launching mini dialog on Qt Creator for ever.10:55
wellurunning VM in release mode works just fine.10:55
lbttortoisedoc_: you're running the x-gdb on win7 ?10:55
tortoisedoc_lbt: hmm no, i686 compiled with cygwin10:55
* lbt blinks10:55
tortoisedoc_but for some reason, it does not find my sources and falls back to disassembler (in qt creator)10:56
lbtso... all users will have a linux machine with a pre-built gdb installable in it which can talk to the device (the BE)10:56
lbtso rather than have a variety of native solutions for win/mac/ubu/redhat10:57
coderusquestion about pageStack and Page status.10:57
lbtI think running the x-gdb on the BE (which has the src, debug symbols and targets) is a better approach10:57
lbtI thought you were using the x-gdb from Mer I pointed you at?10:57
coderusPage.status changing when pagestack not changed currentPage10:58
coderusi cant get page user popping ot pushing to, from current page10:58
tortoisedoc_lbt: nope, I am lazy dastard and want to debug from qtcreator :P10:58
lbtyes that's fine10:58
lbtyou know how gcc runs on the BE ?10:59
tortoisedoc_via merssh?10:59
lbtI'd like to use the same approach with QtC / gdb10:59
tortoisedoc_hmm ok10:59
Hartzicoderus: should i quit mitakuuluu before updating it?10:59
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lbtnow it's possible that QtC can't do that - it may talk remote-gdb protocol itself10:59
tortoisedoc_now I am a bit confused11:00
tortoisedoc_I noticed the .cmd scripts for the merssh bridge11:00
lbtthat's fair11:00
tortoisedoc_but then I noticed also gdb is run from sailfish\bin\gdb-i486.....exe11:00
coderusHartzi: it should be quited automatically duting installation/remove :)11:00
lbttortoisedoc_: just because we have a decent design doesn't mean the implementation is sane :)11:01
Hartzicoderus: ok :)11:01
tortoisedoc_lbt: no complains about the design :P im just a n00b so im the one missing sanity here hehe11:01
coderuson Page.status == Inactive i'm getting pageStack.currentPage not changing but pageStack.depth is changed11:02
lbttortoisedoc_: it's fine - you're right, I think the gdb side is not fully/properly implemented yet11:02
lbtand I'm not aware that the sdk team have had time to publish the src yet11:02
tortoisedoc_lbt: source for gdb I assume?11:02
tortoisedoc_aah :) yes11:03
tortoisedoc_lbt: so just to get a better understanding; qtcreator -> merssh -> x-gdb -> device is the wanted approach, correct?11:04
lbttortoisedoc_: it seems sane to me11:04
wellu"GDB debugging from Qt Creator is broken at the moment on both emulator and device. Workaround is to run GDB from the command line."11:04
lbtI'm assuming that QtC would normally exec() gdb11:04
tortoisedoc_lbt: not questioning, just trying to understand what is broken and how to fix it :P11:04
welluso can't debug from within Qt Creator at all?11:04
tortoisedoc_wellu: debug works fine on emulator11:05
tortoisedoc_but not on device :P11:05
lbtreally ?11:05
tortoisedoc_(from qtcreator, sorry forgot to add)11:06
tortoisedoc_lbt: so problem is in qtcreator device debugging plugin, not in x-gdb...11:06
lbtbut I *think* that the current QtC approach is to rebuild a version of the toolchain for every QtC platform11:06
lbtwhich is not really sensible given the BE is present11:07
wellutortoisedoc: that was copy-paste from
tortoisedoc_wellu : ah thanks :P11:07
wellutortoisedoc: can you confirm that debugging works on Qt Creator using simulator out-of-the-box?11:07
lbtFYI I'm not really active in the Sailfish SDK development any more so I could be a little out-of-date11:07
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tortoisedoc_lbt: that's ok, thanks for your support btw it clears things up already11:08
lbtnp - it may be worth digging into the QtC src to see how QtC talks to gdb11:09
wellufor some reason I cannot start my app in debug mode on simulator at all. It hangs in Launching state forever.11:09
tortoisedoc_wellu: CONFIG += debug in .pro`?11:09
wellutortoisedoc: that should come automatically out from Build settings. There is qmake line there with CONFIG += debug11:10
lbtI never got a straight answer to that - essentially we need to replace the 'gdb' that QtC uses with one that transparently executes over ssh ... merssh was supposed to be a general purpose remote execution tool but I'm not sure it got written like that :)11:11
tortoisedoc_wellu: for me it works just fine, been using it to compare debugger logs between emu & device11:12
tortoisedoc_wellu: btw, for debugger logs: qtcreator -> window -> views -> debugger log11:12
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welluhmm.. I'm running 64 bit Ubuntu here. No errors in the logs though or anything fishy.11:13
wellutortoisedoc: last line NOTE: REQUEST REMOTE SETUP11:14
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riddleeplHello there, I do not have a jolla phone (unfortunately I bought iphone some time ago so I cannot afford another phone yet :P). I've a question regarding app distribution. Does sailfish has app store for native apps?11:16
tortoisedoc_wellu: hmm do you have gdbserver installed on the target?11:16
lbtriddleepl: yes it does11:16
wellutortoisedoc_: in the simulator? shouldn't that be there by default.11:17
welluhaven't tried this on real device yet at all.11:17
riddleepland this is not the Yandex store?11:17
tortoisedoc_wellu:  *should* never really applies in SW :P11:17
tortoisedoc_it is easy to verify from QtC11:17
tortoisedoc_lbt: this would mean using the SailfishAlpha3/MerSDK/SailfishOS-armv7hl/ scripts, right? (*.cmd for wind0wz users like me)11:18
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janitortoisedoc_: what os you arae running the qtc  ? I tried yesterday debuggin on osx and it didnt work at all .. just11:21
riddleepltortoisedoc_ write code in TDD instead of using debugger :P11:21
janiack there it is  few lines up, windows ..11:21
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tortoisedoc_jani: no idea about osx, sorry11:22
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tortoisedoc_riddleepl : tdd? :P11:22
lbttortoisedoc_: looking11:22
riddleepltortoisedoc_: test driven development ;-)11:23
janitortoisedoc_: test driven development11:23
janiwrite tests first, then actual code to make the test pass.11:23
tortoisedoc_riddleepl: yeah cause I've got time to build wayland for windows :P11:23
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riddleeplI can give another simple solution! switch to linux! .. just kidding. Use whatever you like to ;-)11:24
tortoisedoc_I know, but you know, lazy and all11:24
* tortoisedoc_ finished dl qtcreator 2.8.1 sources11:25
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wellutortoisedoc_: so something special I should do to enable debugging on simulator? Should I e.g install some more packages or what?11:25
wellurunning on 64 bit Ubuntu and latest Qt Creator + SailfishOS SDK11:26
riddleeplI thought you could use linux on VM.. but it would be like inception.. developing sailfish in VM, and have 2 more VM inside the first one :P11:26
wellurunning in release mode works just fine on simulator.11:26
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tortoisedoc_wellu: gdbserver installed in the i486 target?11:27
welluso ssh in and do some package installation by hand?11:28
tortoisedoc_wellu : nono, from QtC click sailfishos icon from left sidebar11:30
tortoisedoc_the targets, then next to i486... clik "manage"11:30
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tortoisedoc_lbt: seems QtC can exec gdb either from env var or from a qtc profile11:31
tortoisedoc_*from path taken from11:31
welluand install gdb-gdbserver11:31
lbttortoisedoc_: but it does a 'simple' exec ?11:31
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tortoisedoc_lbt: it does a gdbProc()->start(); but what gdbProc is is yet to be seen11:33
lbtI suspect merssh needs to be written to properly proxy - and that may cause issues with thinks like pty11:34
riddleeplCan I write apps for sailfish using qml and js only?11:35
lbtalso QtC may be hardwired to use native toolchains like MSVS on some platforms11:35
lbtriddleepl: yes11:35
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riddleeplNice, I can rest of c++ ;-)11:36
tortoisedoc_riddleepl : you will miss all the fun parts ;)11:37
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riddleepltortoisedoc_: oh.. about c++. Can I use c++11 freely?11:40
tortoisedoc_riddleepl : c++11 I have no idea :P i think latest gcc has support for it, but which version is included in sailfishos I do not recall11:40
riddleeplif not, there is no fun part :P11:40
tortoisedoc_hah :P11:41
wellutortoisedoc_: installed gdb-gdbserver on target... no help :(11:41
Sfiet_Konstantinriddleepl: gcc version 4.6.4 does it support c++11 ?11:41
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Sfiet_Konstantinriddleepl: and use "CONFIG += c++11" in your pro file if you want to enable support for C++11 in your Qt project11:42
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Sfiet_Konstantinit _should_ work most of the time11:42
riddleeplyeah _should_ as OS libs are not compiled with c++11 flag enabled11:44
tortoisedoc_lbt: ok actually this is easier than it seems11:45
Sfiet_Konstantinriddleepl: this doesn't really matter does this ?11:45
tortoisedoc_lbt: in qtcreator win -> tools -> options -> build & run, debugger entry points to the same .exe file11:45
tortoisedoc_so no merssh there :P11:46
tortoisedoc_hmm I wonder what will happen, if I switch to the cmd...11:46
Sfiet_Konstantinriddleepl: ah, geez11:46
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riddleeplSfiet_Konstantin: yeah..11:46
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Sfiet_Konstantinriddleepl: I wonder what C++11 features do you want exactly11:50
lbttortoisedoc_: so if you manage to setup a cygwin command that 'feels' like gdb then that may work11:51
tortoisedoc_lbt: UNEXPECTED GDB STDERR: Project ERROR: Project is outside of shared home 'C:\Users\kammedo' and shared src 'C:\Users\kammedo'.11:51
coderuswhere i can look for sailfishapp PKGCONFIG contents?11:51
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tortoisedoc_(this if I replace in qt creator options .exe with .cmd)11:51
lbttortoisedoc_: this is what happens when you layer hack over hack :/11:52
riddleeplIts not that I want or need. Its nice to use initiliazer list, Uniform initialization or new for statement.I love the new lambas11:52
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lbtif you want to talk about C++11 then check #mer11:53
lbtafaiui it's arriving in Qt5.2-ish11:53
lbtand there was discuussion of being required at some point11:54
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janibtw, GPLv3 frowned upon license?  qtcreator build scripts complain about that ..11:55
Stskeepsstupid message from yaml11:55
janibut its in red!!11 =)11:56
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tortoisedoc_lbt: yeah :(12:10
suyyou mean that if C++11 is not enabled by the libraries, you can't use it?12:10
* tbr is now at 30C3, jolla/sailfish-hackdesk (chaoswelle assembly)12:10
lbttbr: say "hi" from me :)12:11
suyMmm, I don't get that. Even qt 4.8 has support for things like initializer lists if the compiler supports it, isn't it?12:12
fk_lxtbr: keep up the good work :-)12:15
tbrkeep calm and hack on!12:16
tortoisedoc_lbt: from command line, the error is different : Project ERROR: Could not connect to MerSDK Virtual Machine. No private key file given.12:17
tortoisedoc_perhaps there is no support in qt 2.8.1 for merssh12:18
tortoisedoc_and only debugger available is "traditional" host -> target over toolchain .exe12:18
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Elleothp: thanks :)12:19
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artemmaDoes anybody know how to connect Android monitor to Jolla device? Or to get logcat logs elsehow? I want to figure why recent builds of our Android app started crashing on Jolla12:20
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artemmaif I just connect device via USD, android monitor doesn't see it12:20
artemmaah, figured you can start logcat while in ssh and get logs to screen.. okay that could do it for now12:22
riddleeplwhere can I read something about how sailfish runs android apps?12:25
ln-can i launch an android app from the command line to get some info on why it is crashing?12:26
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thpElleo: thanks for the patch ;)12:28
Elleono problem, excited to see python stuff progressing on sailfish :)12:29
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riddleeplI wish we had ruby on sailfish12:30
fk_lxriddleepl: what for? :-)12:31
riddleeplinstead of python ;)12:31
fk_lxbesides isn't there mer-ruby stuff already?12:31
fk_lxat least I recall ruby packages in Sailfish/Mer SDK12:32
pp_ln-: you can also just run logcat12:32
pp_and use the app normally12:32
pp_see /opt/alien/system/bin12:33
janiPnuu: real ? =)12:33
Pnuujani: should be coming out any-minute-now :-)12:33
lbtjani: yes12:34
lbtartemma: logcat is there12:34
lbtin /system/bin/12:34
ln-pp_: thanks12:34
artemmalbt: yep, I found it and used, thanks guys12:35
* lbt needs to read full backlog and not reply as he goes12:35
artemmait's not as confortable as running a desktop tool, but is good enough12:35
riddleeplcould someone share some source code of c++ app for sailfish? Github link or something will be nice :)12:35
lbtriddleepl: you can download the SDK you know?12:36
lbtit has a full emulator12:36
lbtand you can build C++ and/or QML apps on it12:37
artemmaAlways wanted to do it with a project of mine :)12:37
coderusssu re && zypper ref && zypper up :)12:38
coderusrepos fetching12:38
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coderus166 packages to upgrade, 2 new12:41
tabasko_such update12:42
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tortoisedoc_update?? w00t! Where :P12:53
riddleepllbt: I know, Ive already installed it - works fine. I just wanted to see some code with qml integrated with c++12:53
riddleeplnot a hello world :D12:53
fk_lxriddleepl: there is a page on qt documentation about C++ and qml integration12:57
janisystem update dowloading  ;)12:57
slateyea, any changelog available yet?12:57
coderusriddleepl: did you read documentation? press F! in QtCreator. There is a lot of documentation12:57
coderusslate: link before by Pnuu12:57
slatethanks mates12:58
janicoderus: did you use your own code for notifications in mitakuuluu or was there some component available ? it looked quite nice - better than khertan's InfoBox.12:59
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Elleojani: I can't speak for coderus, but it is possible to display notifications by sending them to the org.freedesktop.Notifications dbus service (this'll display them system-wide, not just inside your app)13:01
riddleeplcoderus: thanks, I will check it. I just prefer reading code, not documentation.;-)13:02
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Wntis it possible to install packages to the MerSDK virtual machine via the SailfishOS tab in Qt Creator?13:03
Wntor do I need to ssh in to there and use zypper from the command line?13:04
lbtriddleepl: mainly code with some explanation13:04
janiElleo: ack, good to know. will check that.13:05
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janibtw, what  the use of ~/Playlists dir  in the device ? Atleast it doesnt get indexed as i was expecting it would. I tried placing *.pls file there and it won't show up in Media player, it does it its placed into ~/Music/13:08
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Andy80anyone else is having problems installing/upgrading packages from the Jolla store?13:12
entilhaha that's the talk on #jollamobile13:12
entilit's a bit slow but it's getting there13:12
sjtoikAndy80: quite a few reports on #jollamobile13:12
entilseems fine, albeit slow13:12
Andy80oh sorry if I used the wrong channel :)13:13
entilspeaking of which, does anyone have a quick clue for why my qml page loads really slow and by the time it's done it's got all the signal-based properties ok?13:13
coderusjani: i'm using system notifications13:14
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entilI set it all off with Component.onCompleted: { appWindow.csvhandler.parseFile(); } so I'd imagine the qml page to be rendered before parseFile() is called13:14
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coderusWnt: SDK Control Center installing packages to build machine :)13:18
coderusentil: do your job asynchronously or with Worker13:18
entilthat's what I thought qt did by default13:18
entillike with property binding13:19
entilcoderus: what else do I need?13:19
entil is probably related13:21
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zuhentil: Component isn't a visual thing AFAIK, so component being ready != page is rendered13:23
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tortoisedoc_update problem : Location '' is temporarily unaccessible.13:24
entilzuh: my theory on this was that it starts doing it async but the async stuff is so heavy it doesn't get to render13:24
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coderusjust use WOrker to make asynchronous actions without freezing GUI13:28
entiltrying to figure out where the documentation of worker is13:28
coderusis there Qt5 replacement for inputContext.customSoftwareInputPanelComponent?13:28
entilcoderus: that's the worker you mean? implement that pattern?13:29
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tortoisedoc_no merssh tool in qtcreator 2.8.1 source code >_<13:29
coderusentil: i mean WorkerScript13:30
zuhentil: an easy test for that would be to have a very short (eg. just 1ms) timer there that gets started in onCompleted and then starts the work. If it manages to render first page after that, then onCompleted probably blocks it13:30
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zuhOTOH, if it's just the work being too much to handle, nothing would really change13:31
entilit's really not that bad13:31
entilI'm reading in a csv of exported n900 text messages, converting into custom objects and want them inserted into the jolla comm app13:31
entilI got to the point where the csv is parsed (hopefully correct)13:31
entil12773 text messages causes a bit of a lag, though, and I'd like to get the async/property-bound stuff done correct13:32
entillike after the parsing is done, emit a signal, and react on that to do the insertion13:32
entilcoderus: isn't WorkerScript a bit useless? I have the things I need to care about in a regular QObject which is bound to appWindow and now WorkerScript doesn't share the context or allow passing of QObjects :P13:34
coderusentil: well, it depends on situation ofc.13:34
entiluseless for this case, I'm sure there are tons of useful applications within those limitation ;P13:34
entilbut I'm thinking I need to figure out how to create a new thread from my CSVHandler() and have the qml pick up execution as fast as possible and then have the thread suicide itself or whatever later13:35
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coderusreally. i need custom sip panel in my application for emoji13:54
coderusis it gone? :(13:54
janiupdate removed ambience favourites.13:55
coderusjani: but not removed custom ambiences :)13:56
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coderusentil: just do it in separate thread13:58
janiall ambiences are there, that favourites menu is epmty (not shown on side swipe due that)..13:58
coderusjani: my 2 custom ambiences was saved on upgrade :)13:58
entilcoderus: yeah, working on it, though it doesn't even compile at the moment13:59
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entilgonna have a QThread for CSVWorker and figure out how it'll do all the heavy lifting13:59
entilthe qml, I guess, needs to talk to that thread with property binding to see progress?13:59
entilthis will be messy and hard :(13:59
coderusentil: you can send events from your thread to main14:03
entilso much to figure out.. been year since I touched anything multithreaded and never seen this stuff before14:04
entilqt, that is14:04
entilbut yeah, sure, the thread has to find a channel to qml14:05
coderuscheck qthread and qthreadpool14:05
entilall the breakage I got made me shift focus to inheriting from QThread directly, the code looks a bit simpler14:05
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tortoisedoc_lbt:is merssh available for source? it seems the one on qt git is not the latest14:21
lbt*grumble* : no14:21
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entilholy shit, I actually got this thing to compile14:27
entildoesn't look like anything on, which doesn't look anything like what I think I'm looking for ;P14:27
tortoisedoc_entil: anything specific?14:28
entiltortoisedoc_: I don't know about
entiltortoisedoc_: like even if that code is .h or .cpp14:28
tortoisedoc_eh :D14:29
entilmy guess is it's the actual .cpp code BUT when the ide creates skeleton files it puts the class stuff in .h with that syntax14:29
* tortoisedoc_ grabs apimonitor14:30
entilit's been closer to a decade since I've even seen c++ so this is coming pretty much from the trial and error school of programming, as well as google and the ide tooltip helps14:30
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tortoisedoc_maybe ill just stick in compiling gdb via mingw14:33
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entilin c++ a thread is apparently called by .start(), which takes no arguments, which calls the .run() method similarly without arguments, so any data I want to pass to the thread is in the QThread object's constructor, right?14:42
entil[W] queuedConnectionTypes:92 - QObject::connect: Cannot queue arguments of type 'QList<MessageObject*>'14:44
entilat least there's something ;P14:44
mike7b4_on_x230Can someone clarify if pyton2 IS supported or not in sailfish? (I know its in the repo but qestion is if it shall be seen14:44
mike7b4_on_x230as deprecated or not?14:44
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tbrmike7b4_on_x230: you can't use it for store applications at the moment, it will be available in the future14:49
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Pnuutbr: not even through c++ system() call?14:51
tbrno idea14:52
tbrbut if it's not installed you can't make the package depend on it14:52
PnuuI thought that one could list the packages that are required by the app, and those would be installed to fulfill the requirements14:54
Pnuuand as python2 is in the default repo..14:54
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tbrPnuu: check the store FAQ, it's answered there. tnx.14:55
entilagainst all odds, I had some mild success with this crap :D it really looks like the Page qml is rendered before any results arrive and the results seem correct in qDebug()14:55
Pnuuok :-)14:55
entilunfortunately I have none of the real data yet in qml..14:55
entilthe combined google, tooltip and trial-and-error school of programming seems to work well ;P14:56
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coderusentil: QThreadPool::start(QRunnable, priority)15:01
coderuscreate class based on QRunnable processing events15:01
entilcoderus: I already did this with QThread15:02
coderusentil: so working or not? :)15:02
entilit seems to an extent, I get the results to CSVHandler::insertMessages(MessageObjectList messages)15:02
entilif they are the correct results, it's ok15:02
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entilI'm guessing I can't access the thread in any meaningful way through qml?15:08
entilif I could, I'd have a reference from the handler class (set in appWindow.csvhandler) to the thread and then I'd still have to be polling crap15:08
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entilis the solution to define the worker thread as a qml type? so I can use some kind of qml syntax to receive the signals the worker thread emits?15:09
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erikdjHi, all. I just got the SDK15:14
entilthe easy way would probably be to connect the signals from the worker to the handler, as it is visible to qml, and have qml react on that15:14
* entil is fscking lost15:14
erikdjBut it won't start, just gives me a segfault15:14
erikdjWhen I try to start qtcreator15:15
erikdjstrace shows me that it is looking at some of the kde4 libraries I have installed before the segfault occurs15:15
erikdjMy system is Sabayon 64bits15:15
erikdjAre there known issues?15:15
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erikdjHmmm, removing the qt libs in the SailfishOS/lib directory looks like it solves the segfaults15:28
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erikdjNot elegant, I would assume there is a reason the installer provides it's own qt libs15:29
tortoisedoc_lbt: I see, how sensitive is merssh?15:35
tortoisedoc_in a way, how much information can be shared about it?15:35
Yanielmer is completely public?15:36
tortoisedoc_merssh is not?15:37
tortoisedoc_at least not the latest version?15:37
tortoisedoc_or am I just too dumb to be able to look in the correct place? :P15:37
Yanielsee merproject.org15:38
Yanieltons of free stuff15:38
tortoisedoc_im just a poor n00b -_-15:38
Yanielas on oss15:38
tortoisedoc_Yaniel : this is the best I found about merssh
tortoisedoc_from google15:40
Yanielsailfish is essentially mer + nemo + silica and some othr jolla-specific stuff15:40
kontioyeah the mer plugin is not yet merged to master/upstream, it's still wip15:40
tortoisedoc_kontio: thanks15:41
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lbttortoisedoc_: it should be totally open - it's not sensitive at all15:41
lbttortoisedoc_: our SDK team just haven't had time to sort out publishing the src; there have been some issues about license of the brand aspects15:42
tortoisedoc_lbt: thats understandable15:43
lbtie we don't want someone else building an SDK and calling it the Sailfish SDK15:43
tortoisedoc_...and that makes even more sense now :P15:43
lbtthe git repos have branding hardcoded into them15:43
kaariOk, but then again I have albums with covers, but they dont show. Should the picture file named some specific?15:45
kaariHi, I have problem with mediaplayer getting album covers to show. Some albums their show ok, but some doesnt. It doesnt seem to care if it on sdcard or internal memory. Also I thought it indexis only from folders, but have one album with no pictures, but still it shows right cover for it. So is there some database where mediaplayer tries to fin covers?15:45
coderusdoes Sailfish have classes for handling sms messages?15:47
kaarisorry, I put same question again. it was chritmas iI last time post those, and now those are in wrong order. Do anyone know how sailfish manages indexing?15:48
coderuskaari: indexing what?15:50
kaarimediaplayer, album covers15:50
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kaarii have manny albums, both in internal and sd, but some how it only show few covers. And I dont know whats the problem.15:52
kaariit doesn't matter if internal or sdcard. So i thoght if it using internet indexing, which i dont blelieve. But then again why dont those pictures show in album covers which are there in right music folder. And they show in pictures ans can use those as ambiences. . .15:55
kaariis the some filename that should be used, but that seem not also work?15:56
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tortoisedoc_Process Started - PID:  2816 | 64-bit | conhost.exe | | Unsupported architecture.16:02
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TumeezProblem Store?16:05
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tbryes, be patient16:05
tbrit's overloaded16:05
TumeezYea, i think it.16:05
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kaarisame for me, trying to get screenshot app.16:12
kaariand there is not cancel option. . .16:12
tortoisedoc_lbt: one step closer16:14
tortoisedoc_on mer sdk16:14
tortoisedoc_enter python16:14
tortoisedoc_do a16:14
tortoisedoc_import itertools16:14
tortoisedoc_i get importerror :/16:15
tortoisedoc_seems cross-gdb executes this script16:15
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coderusHTTP 502 on accessing store :D16:16
tortoisedoc_coderus : yeah update has not been working for me :(16:16
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* tortoisedoc_ can't wait to get email fixed!16:16
suykaari: same here. Only 1 cover appears automatically on the media app. Dunno what's used to autodiscover them, but on N9 was conver.jpg on the directory.16:16
lbttortoisedoc_: yeah - that's why QtC SDK now comes *with a complete build of python* ffs :/16:17
lbthack upon hack upon hack...16:17
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tortoisedoc_lbt: ?16:17
kaarii have about half for my albums, but there seems no reason for that.16:18
lbttortoisedoc_: nm ... I'm just moaning about our SDK16:19
tortoisedoc_lbt: ah ok :)16:19
lbtwe have a build engine16:19
lbtguess what it has inside...16:19
suylbt: that's upstream's sdk or jolla's?16:19
tortoisedoc_python is an excellent building language :P16:20
tortoisedoc_(as a defence)16:20
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suytortoisedoc_: If you ever want to build Qt on Windows you will find a nice suprise about nice building languages. You need Perl, Python and Ruby to build all the modules. :-D  True story.16:21
lbttortoisedoc_: yes - but rather than having to build+support host-side python for linux/mac/windows ... why don't we just use the BE one?16:21
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lbtsuy: upstream mer one16:21
tortoisedoc_suy : thats reason enough for me never to have to build qt :P16:22
tortoisedoc_lbt: just to make sure we are on the same page ( i loose pretty fast track), I am talking about mersdk vm python here, NOT window side16:23
suytortoisedoc_: luckily you rarely need to. I had to build qt for our embedded system, but nothing else should be really necessary. But windows people are not happy when they have to test/develop pre-releases.16:23
lbttortoisedoc_: yeah, I think you're doing it properly16:24
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tortoisedoc_suy: it can also be a cool summer vacation project :P16:26
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tortoisedoc_how do i change target in sb2??16:30
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tortoisedoc_aah sb2 -t :P16:33
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tortoisedoc_ok, in the sb2 targets the problem does not exist16:33
tortoisedoc_(meaning the import error)16:33
krandomhmm, I was offered the updates... and have installed everything except for Android runtime, which still fails (possibly due to server overload?)16:34
krandomand I was finally offered the system update too, however now I have these two notifications in the events screen, and nothing else happens :|16:35
krandomI can't even clear them, I can't open the Store anymore, and from About Device selecting Update from pulley does nothing :\16:35
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Pnuukrandom: wait16:37
krandomI'm checking if there's any traffic with tcpdump, and currently there isn't anything. I was hoping it downloads stuff.16:38
krandomI'll give it more time :)16:38
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Pnuuthe servers are overloaded16:38
coderusimplemented "Delete everything" button in mitakuuluu :D16:39
coderuswhatsapp account successfully removed from server and cant login anymore :D16:39
coderusits working :D16:39
raa70hopefully it's in the pulley so that when you start pulling middle of screen it gets selected just as you go over from bottom16:40
krandomPnuu, k... I'll just leave it be, and whenever it can do it, it'll do it I assume.16:40
krandomcoderus, may I recommend that you move some of the options from pulley menu to a separate screen? it's a damn long menu currently :D16:41
coderuskrandom: i'm thinking about it16:41
coderusjust hate column of buttons16:41
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raa70does pkcon install-local check something from store? trying to install mitäkuuluu .1-6 and it's queuing?16:49
raa70all other installs have gone in a blitz16:49
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raa70or is it because I'm trying to update other apps from store?16:50
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coderusraa70: its because PackageKit is busy with some action. system cant perform multiple installation actions at same moment. all going with queue.16:54
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coderusyou can use zypper, it checks for PackageKit and asking for killing it :D16:54
coderususeful sometimes :D16:55
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raa70coderus: what's the green bar next to name?17:03
Pnuuraa70: online status17:04
coderusraa70: available/unavailable presence17:04
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sunkanIs it possible to have tab distance in a TextArea to follow the font size, so that it is possible to lay out text in a predictive way and also allow changing the font size?17:48
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TumeezI van download now18:59
TumeezInstall or not?18:59
stephgwhy not? unless you've not seen any of the bugs that it fixes?19:00
TumeezAh okay, someone says that new update is patched alltime19:01
Naranekjust downloaded and upgraded. seemed to work OK19:07
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TumeezFirst start19:12
TumeezBattery power: 0%19:12
TumeezFreezing notification-window19:12
Naranektry to divert energy from shields?19:13
Yanielrather from drone control19:14
TumeezAnd shutting down19:14
TumeezIt's brick now?19:14
TumeezFucking nice19:15
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YanielI guess I'd better plug in the charger19:18
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TumeezYaniel before updating battery is 55%19:19
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YanielI had 33%19:20
Yanielalmost done updating, let's see if it boots19:20
StskeepsTumeez: 1) you're on jolla device and 2) what did you upgrade from?19:21
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TumeezI updating Maadajärvi?19:22
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Yanielit booted \o/19:23
StskeepsTumeez: okay, and what version number was it after upgrade?19:23
Yaniel1.0.1.12 ->
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Yanielaccording to someone on together it is the sami spelling19:24
StskeepsTumeez: you'd like to factory reset your device?19:24
TumeezNo, it's work now when I release and put battery again in device :D19:24
PnuuYaniel: yup, it's Inari sami lang19:25
Yanielhmm the app icons in got shuffled around19:25
Yanieland still not .txt support in documents :(19:25
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edgarsi have a strange problem with alarm19:38
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edgarswhen i set and when save, i see different time19:39
edgarsdifference is in +1 hour19:40
cvpos oder ?19:40
cvpsry i mean 1219:40
cvpthan update to 2.519:40
edgarsthere is a new update?19:40
cvpbut it will take some hours because there release it few hour befor19:41
cvpand the store is overloaded19:41
edgarsouu, i see19:41
edgarsoverloaded with 450users? :)19:41
Yanielthere are at least thousands more now19:41
cvp450 ?19:41
cvpthere tousend of devices in europe ;)19:42
edgarsalready? :)19:42
cvpjap :D19:42
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cvpbut the update dont have again mark all mails as read :( thats S*cks.... is it not possible to do that over a terminal command ?19:44
edgarsnow we need a thousands of apps in the store :)19:44
cvpyeah some new apps are out like MeePassword, Cutespotify, What´s Up, Emu Master,19:46
edgarscvp, is it bugfix update or some new features too?19:47
edgarswhats app is ported?19:47
cvpyes but not with full feature, biut it works fine19:48
edgarsTumeez: thanks19:48
cvpMitakuuluu is it named19:49
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Yaniel -- as per request: fingerterm featuring some awful font rendering19:52
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Yanielnote the capital M19:56
cvpi wich that i can programming to help :(19:56
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cvpwitam leszek :D19:57
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edgarscvp: hmm20:03
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edgarsany qrscanner20:21
leszeknot of that I know currently20:22
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edgarsrpms i can install only from console?20:27
ln-pkcon install-local or something like that20:28
leszekthere is a filemanager in the store which claims to be able to install rpms also but I never tried that20:29
leszekand I guess you need dev mode activated for this20:29
edgarsi see20:30
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Pnuuedgars: for phone usage stuff there's #jollamobile, which might be better choice :-)20:32
leszekhmm... WebView documentation shows me settings.defaultFontSize but running it on the phone gives me : Cannot assign to non-existent property "settings" . How can I set the default font size of WebView ?20:36
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edgarsPnuu: :))20:49
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cvpedgars, i tols you that you can install over file browser from jolla store20:58
eekois there a qr code reader for sailfish?21:00
Pnuueeko: no native ones21:01
Pnuueeko: check
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coderusleszek: i never saw WebView can change font size21:31
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leszekcoderus in qtcreator hit f1 on webview and it written in the documentation21:35
leszekbut unfortunately it does not work21:35
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rcgwhat would be the wayland equivalent to X11/extensions/XTest.h ?22:53
rcgessentially, i want to send keystrokes to apps22:54
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Jonnircg: unfortunately there are no equivelants yet afaik.23:18
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rcgJonni, oh my23:25
kontioit's hard for wayland to catch up with all features in 3yrs X11 built up in 30 yrs... :-)23:27
rcghehe, sure23:28
rcgi just thought that this was pretty basic functionality23:28
rcgbut that may be a misconception i have ;)23:28
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szopinanyone else having problem sshing in to device after
szopinps aux | grep sshd shows nothing, same after reboot23:46
valdur55so . sshd is not listed in systemd23:47
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valdur55random shoot:  reinstall openssh-server package23:48
szopinnot sure, it lost my set password (setting second time, but not sure what is the expected result seems to hang with Save greyed out)23:48
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szopindisabling/enabling dev mode resulted in having sshd process... still can't log in though23:51
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rcgszopin, sorry, i can only say that it works here23:55
szopinafter disconnect/reconnect it works now, thanks23:55
rcggreat :)23:55
szopindoes anybody know what is responsible for sleeping all processes on screen timeout?23:56
szopinis it a process which one could kill to have a working box in pocket rather than brick?23:56
szopinor is niceing each proces that could maybe want to run during screen-off time the only way?23:57
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