Monday, 2014-02-10

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Armadillois there a possibility to clean the store client cache? I have the problem, that my app got a wrong icon (the one of Saildoku) and I want to find out with journalctl how this happened08:57
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stephgicon in the store or launcher icon?09:10
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thpcoderus: <- would that be acceptable for i18n support in libsailfishapp?09:59
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Armadillostephg the icon in the store10:23
Armadilloin my apps10:23
radiofreeso zooming in the gallery is now completely broken?10:24
stephgbroken as in it it's that blue and white one?10:25
stephgin answer to your question I have no idea how to flush the store cache10:25
radiofreeas in you can't do it anymore10:25
stephgI've noticed apps do that if the connection is flakey10:25
Armadillofound an issue about this at together:
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coderusthp: is make build_translations necessary?10:42
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thpcoderus: well, we could do it every time the developer builds the package, but that might slow down the edit, build, deploy, etst cycle a bit10:43
coderuslupdate takes less than one second for me. its not 2000s10:44
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thpcoderus: build_translations is lrelease i think10:44
coderuswhat is update_translations then?10:46
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coderusaha, update_translations is lupdate, build_translations is lrelease.10:50
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coderusneed to test this  lupdate script, in most cases it require hack to fetch translation strings from qml files10:52
Armadillolupdte works very well for me10:52
ArmadilloI'm using the version from the QT 5.2 sdk10:53
coderusand pro have no hacks for qml files?10:53
Armadillolupdate qml/ -ts file.ts -no-obsolete10:53
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Armadillothis recursively goes through the whole qml directory10:53
coderuslupdate -recursive for recursive ;)10:54
coderusi'm talking about this one:
radiofreeactually it's just smaller images you can't zoom in on10:55
Armadillofor me it's recursive by default10:55
radiofreei.e images with a resolution smaller than the phones resolution10:55
radiofreewhich are exactly the type of images you'd want to zoom in on :\10:55
Armadilloyes all my strings which should be translated ar marked with qsTr10:56
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Jabbounethello all11:29
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* TheBootroo loz12:50
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leinir*derps ;)12:50
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Guest2439very funny12:51
Guest2439fuck why am i a guest12:51
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thpcoderus: PR updated; now it always re-extracts the strings, and you can disable that by just uncommenting the "CONFIG += sailfishapp_i18n" line13:33
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coderusthp: good :)13:52
coderusbut i'm tired to develop without real device. will return to harmattan development soon.13:53
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thpcoderus: install sailfish on your n9? ;)13:55
coderusits still
Stskeepsah, right, something broke in didn't it13:56
coderus1.0.3.8 jolla users intensively reporting bugs i have no13:56
Stskeepsdid anybody identify the problem yet?13:56
coderusStskeeps: sure13:56
radiofreecoderus: can you open source the engine?13:56
coderusradiofree: 399 euros for opensourcing :D13:57
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fk_lx+ shipping costs ;-)13:57
coderusStskeeps: N9 framebuffer is landscape oriented13:57
coderusand now silica think default orientation for N9 should be landscape13:58
coderusand using width = Screen.width which is 85413:58
coderusphone feels good in landscape with little silica fixies13:58
coderusbut who want to have landscape oriented phone? :D13:59
Stskeepsdepends if there's a hw kb or not13:59
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coderus*landscape oriented phone with no keyboard :D13:59
Stskeepscoderus: i suspect it's not related to that but rather to sensors not working by chance?13:59
coderusStskeeps: sensors working14:00
coderuscheck silica code changes since and you will see14:00
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coderusthere are _rotatingItem added14:00
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coderuswhich is calculated using Screen geometry14:00
coderusits not using orientation data14:01
coderusi started fixing it but gave up14:01
coderusbut orientation problem is small14:02
coderusreal problem is phone booting only once with
coderusafter rebooting it no longer booting14:03
Stskeepsthat's more weird14:03
Stskeepsanyway, we didn't intentionally break it, we just don't QA on n9 setup anymore14:03
coderusyeah, i know14:03
coderusjust send Jolla worldwide then14:03
Stskeepsyeah.. if it was just that magic14:04
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coderusmany peoples will be offending on Jolla when spring starts14:04
coderusand i'm into this count14:04
coderusbut who cares :D14:05
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Nicd-offending on Jolla?14:09
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Stskeepscursing at jolla, i presume :)14:09
Nicd-I just need the shutdown issue to be resolved :(14:10
jovahawhen will the licensing structures be reveled? and will everything jolla makes be open source?14:12
Sail0rlook at the talk from Stskeeps14:13
Stskeepsjovaha: is a good start to introduce how the situation is today14:13
Sail0rthere are most of your questions answered14:13
Sail0rok he was faster ^^14:13
Stskeepsand surprisingily it's the truth in there, too14:13
Sail0ri advice you to make a shortcut for that Stskeeps ^^14:14
Stskeepsmeh, i'm faster than a damn shortcut14:14
jovahaa thenx :) will wach it now  much14:14
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vgrade-sf_in my testing startup wizzard has correct orientation but after please wait the ui is shown rotated and in landscape14:15
ppslideset only would be a nice bonus :-)14:15
* pp speedskips through the video14:15
Stskeepspp: yes, sec14:15
ppok, I need to watch the video too, there are good bits that the slides don't cover14:16
Stskeeps too14:16
coderusvgrade-sf_: who cares if jolla testing only own devices.14:17
coderustalking about  flexible operating system supporting many devices is lie14:17
coderuseverybody need to patch it to other devices14:18
coderuspigs can't fly14:18
zuttosure they can14:18
coderus:D really?14:18
coderusokay then :D14:19
zuttoif you make device to throw them so hard in the air, it will seem like that they are flying14:19
coderusfalling is not flying14:19
zuttopsh, falling is part of flying14:19
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vgrade-sf_coderus: id like to work together to have sf on other non hybris devices14:19
coderusi'm sorry, falling is not flying14:19
coderusvgrade-sf_: i cant spend too much time for it now14:20
juke_i'm trying to put SilicaListView on a Page and below the ListView a button, do i need to do something else besided listView.bottom in Button?14:20
coderusi have no real job and need to spend my time to current problems14:21
vgrade-sf_coderus: no probs.  thanks for your contributions14:21
juke_the list view is visible but button is not14:21
coderusjuke_: anchors.bottomMargin: button.height + Theme.paddingLarge14:21
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juke_in button?14:23
coderusafter launching mitakuuluu project i getting enough donations for a life, but after sailfish update everybody want a fixies for bugs which i cannot debug or expect.14:23
coderusjuke_: button.anchors.bottom: parent.bottom14:23
coderusbtw, what is button for at the bottom of listview?14:23
coderusyou can use bottom Dock or PushUpMenu for a better sailfish ux14:24
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coderusor you can set SilicaListView.footer: Component { something }14:25
juke_footer might be great14:25
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juke_bottom dock is the the menu at the bottom and push up menu is above the view?14:29
juke_documentation says pulldownmenu and pullupmenu, makes sense14:32
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coderusPushUp, not PullUp :D14:36
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achipawhy is it a problem for harbour that an app links to a [random_lib] if the app can handle failing gracefully? Especially if the libs in question are Qt?14:40
Stskeepsdirect ELF-ish links?14:41
Stskeepsor dlopen14:41
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achipaStskeeps: I dlopen a lib of my own (which is ELF linked). I'm perfectly fine with/handle dlopen failing.14:44
tbrit's possible that the checking script goes haywire on that14:45
tbrhave you run the in sdk check?14:45
thpachipa: lib shipped with your app or lib installed somewhere in the system?14:46
achipathp: shipped with my app14:46
thpachipa: can you pastebin the rpmvalidator report? might help in seeing what's wrong :)14:47
thpmight be that we just need to whitelist some apps14:47
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achipathp: full of stuff like ERROR [/usr/share/harbour-qtinfo/lib/] Cannot link to shared library:
achipanow before everyone goes "you shouldn't use..." let me reiterate what QtInfo does14:49
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* w00t doesn't understand why you need to link against it when you dlopen14:49
tbrhrm won't build on OBS due to weird git layout. :/ (or I'm too dumb to tell tar_git that the rpm dir is in a subdriectory)14:49
achipait ships with a number of compiled UIs, and determines the best one at runtime. So if it finds QtQuick 2.0, it will use that, if it finds QtQuick 1.0 only, then it will use that, and if you only have qwidgets, that's fine, too14:50
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fk_lxbtw. what QtInfo exactly does? some kind of information program what's available?14:51
thpand conditionally not compiling qtwidgets + qtquick1 uis is too difficult to pull off?14:51
achipathp: that defeats the purpose of QtInfo. You just switched it from runtime to compile-time UI14:51
w00tachipa: you aren't doing runtime detection if you're linking against things..14:51
achipaw00t: it's runtime, the parts that are linking are the ones that actually have a hard dependency - but as said, that's why I dlopen those parts, so that I can recover gracefully14:53
thpachipa: so not installing (which will make dlopen fail) could fix it?14:54
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achipaw00t: so the QtQuick2 UI has a link to Qt5Qml. But that's fine, as if that's not there, the module is useless anyway (and I fall back and try to dlopen something else)14:55
achipathp: remove from where?14:55
w00t%install %qtc5_install (or whatever it is) ... rm %{buildroot}/...14:56
thpachipa: either from INSTALLS += or just "rm" it in the .spec file post-"make install"14:56
achipathp: w00t: I'm not installing it. My package has no (runtime) dependency on it.14:58
w00tachipa: then how is it getting into the rpm?14:58
w00trpmvalidator validates what you package (and you tend to package what you install)14:59
achipafk_lx: tries to (dynamically, at runtime) figure out as much as it can from your Qt setup at runtime (seriously, see - there are even screenshots :) )14:59
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fk_lxachipa: thanks for answer :-)15:01
fk_lxachipa: and for the link15:01
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w00tachipa: assuming I'm looking in the right place, would apply15:03
achipaw00t: thp: so back to square one. why is it so bad to have that lib in?15:03
w00tachipa: because performance (and usability) of widgets is complete crap, we have no manpower to work on fixing anything there (let alone making it work better), and we want to encourage decent applications15:05
w00tachipa: as qtquick1 uses qtwidgets, there's your answer15:05
achipaw00t: even if the Qt promise is "Qt essentials define the foundation of Qt on all platforms. They are available on all supported development platforms and on the tested target platforms."?15:06
w00tachipa: that doesn't change what I just said15:07
w00tachipa: I'll happily raise the discussion on the qt development list to change that, though, thanks for bringing it up15:07
thpachipa: removing the libs that link against qtq1/qtw would "work around" that problem, though, no?15:08
achipaw00t: even if the "performance (and usability)" problems you speak of will never actually manifest in apps like QtInfo?15:08
w00tachipa: restricting linking makes our lives easier, and it also leaves me with a free hand to disable widget builds entirely in the future, once the few things that still link to them go away.15:09
achipaw00t: no need. the essentials list is a joke anyway - more platforms miss webkit than platforms that have it, and it's still nominally essentials15:09
w00tachipa: well... the list was written before webkit imploded ;)15:09
achipathp: yes, I can *neuter* the app. That is very much against the ethos of QtInfo, because it would mean it would say you DONT HAVE QtWidgets, QtDeclarative, etc even if they ARE on the system15:11
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juke_in my silicalistview i have anchors.margins: Theme.paddingLarge, which looks nice, but now my PullDownMenu is not at the top of the screen15:14
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w00tjuke_: pad your delegates, not the listview15:14
achipaw00t: has only a superficial resemblance to the Qt essentials + addon list, even if we don't count webkit...15:15
juke_w00t, if i put it in deletegate: Item {, nothing happens15:16
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w00tachipa: core, gui, multimediate, network, qml, quick, sql are available15:17
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w00tachipa: test is not available mostly because nobody has needed it yet. controls and layouts were released in 5.2, and we're running 5.1, so i'm not sure how you expect us to have those...15:17
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juke_got it working by adding anchors.left15:19
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kelvantbr: hi, I built two packages on obs (nmap and wol), can I submit it to chum?15:20
achipaw00t: what I'm saying is that you (Sailfish/Jolla) basically make up your own essentials list and decide what's in an out on platform level, Qt cross-platformness and it's developer promises be damned.15:21
tbrkelvan: yes, we don't have things 'in order' yet, so it's a bit informal.15:21
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w00tachipa: I don't quite understand how one item not being on the list (which was likely an oversight) leads to your calling it a "superficial resemblance", but okay15:22
kelvantbr: my packages are also unchanged upstream stuff (just spec tweaks) so not much to check ;)15:22
tbrkelvan: go to the package in the obs ui (or do the corresponding motions with osc) and submit the package to sailfishos:chum:
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tbrgood to hear, makes review easier. still will need a few tests like install/uninstall etc to make sure it behaves cleanly15:24
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achipaw00t: could be also an oversight, but it seems that, say, multimedia, sql and webkit got demoted to addon, which would then be the "custom compatibility promise" group15:25
tbrkelvan: I'm heading out now, but will check later.15:26
kelvantbr: take your time, it's not urgent :)15:27
achipaw00t: in strictly numerical terms, your essentials list has 5 modules. The upstream Qt one has 1415:28
achipa(for 5.1)15:28
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achipaw00t: also, claims controls and layouts actually were in 5.1, but I didn't verify, so might be that they were just optimistic15:29
w00tachipa: um? where do you get 5 from? :)15:29
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w00tsearching for libQt5 on that list of libraries gives me 14: core, quick, qml, network, gui, concurrent, multimedia, sql, svg, xmlpatterns, xml, dbus, webkit, sensors15:30
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thpachipa: yeah, the grouping is wrong.15:30
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w00tthey do not match up with a 1:1 correlation of the upstream list, for reasons we've already established, and there are some additional entries like sensors because of various reasons, but..15:31
achipaw00t: that's with the add-ons, there should be 14 *without* :)15:31
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w00tachipa: ignore any and all grouping you see in that configuration file. it's binary: it's promised API, or it isn't15:31
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w00tif it's on the list, it's promised15:31
w00t..I'm not really sure where this discussion is going, tbh, this isn't really striking me as a useful use of time..15:32
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achipaw00t: long story short - is the Qt developer offering a *strict* subset of SailfishOS/Mer, or is it more of a remix/best effort?15:33
w00tachipa: the list of "Qt Essentials" does not define our API, if that's your question15:34
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w00tit helps dictate it, but we've already had some discussion above about why that list is defective15:35
achipaw00t: got it15:35
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achipaalso, ERROR [/usr/share/harbour-qtinfo/lib/] Cannot link to shared library:
w00tif you have issues or annoyances with what we offer, please bring them up on the developer list, and discuss what can be done to fix that - adding qttest for example, although I'm not really sure how useful that would be15:35
achipaI guess this will be the same story15:36
achipaw00t: I did post something of the sorts this morning :)15:36
w00tqt5opengl is the old widgets-based set of classes, it has QOpenGL* replacements in QtGui15:36
w00t (mentioned in there)15:36
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achipaw00t: yes, yes, as said, same story... on a side note, why do you then ship the thing in/with the SDK?15:37
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achipakeep in the .so if you need but make some big red lettered warning in the headers THIS WILL NOT GET ACCEPTED TO HARBOUR, Y'KNOW15:39
w00tthe qt3d dependency (for example) will go away: both because qt3d is removing it and because qtlocation will no longer use qt3d in the medium term future15:39
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w00twell, afaiu the SDK now has a way to run the validator, which should help with that kind of thing15:40
achipaw00t: might be that my SDK is outdated, but it didn't complain too hard with the linked libs15:40
w00tkaltsi: ^ am I talking out of my butt?15:41
kaltsirunning the validator is a manual step15:41
kaltsithe script is always up-to-date if the updates are enabled.. if it's not complaining about something that it should, then it needs to be fixed15:41
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achipawill doublecheck15:42
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kaltsithe latest script version is 1.6 something.. it is printed out near the beginning of the script output15:43
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juke_i'm trying to put a SilicaListView inside a SilicaFlickable, but it's showing on top of PageHeader15:55
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Accejuke_: vertical listview?15:57
kimmolijuke_: hint. check console output for errors. ..15:57
juke_Acce, yes15:57
juke_lemme pastebin15:57
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AcceIf you're using the flickable just to use a pulley menu, remove the flickable, use only the silicalistview use it's header: property15:58
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juke_oh, yeah15:59
Acceyep, remove the silicaflickable altogether15:59
Accepushup and pulley menu work inside the listview15:59
juke_well, i'm going to add stuff to that later on15:59
juke_listview will be going away on doStuff()15:59
Accecan you not push a page on that event?16:00
juke_i'll have to think about it16:00
Acceyou're welcome, personally I think, if your page stack won't be too deep, it's better to push a new page than replace the listview, you would need to make some animations and stuff which is already present when pushing the page too16:01
Acceand, in my experience, stacking flickables & it's derivatives causes problems with which component catches the swipes..16:02
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Turskihow can i build a project on build machine without using qtcreator?16:04
Turskithere's no qmake16:05
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Acceyou need to use mb2 or something16:05
Accebefore all commands16:05
AcceI'm just about to find it on ... this page needs some help with navigation16:08
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kimmoli_sb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl ....16:08
Turskiah, thanks16:08
* Acce is too slow 16:08
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juke_is there a way to detect pop()ing pagestack?16:13
juke_so that i could actually cancel what user is trying to do16:14
Accewhat do you mean?16:15
Accea Dialog?16:15
Accemaybe onStatusChanged:16:15
Acceand check if the page is deactivated16:15
juke_in that last example doStuff takes for ~30 seconds, my plan is to that if user clicks back on the stack, that task would cancel16:16
Accealternatively use a Dialog instead of a Page, and act onAccepted and onCanceled16:16
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juke_i inherited this project and i'm kinda new to Qt. i have signals in my c++ code which i am emiting, and i have connections in my qml code which have name onMySignal if signal is called mySignal in c++. are these kind of signal implicitily connected?16:37
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Accejuke_: yes16:39
Acceif you say "emit someSignal();" in C++16:39
Acceand you have instantiated (made an component) in QML of that C++ class16:39
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Accethe onSomeSignal will be executed when it's emitted in C++16:40
juke_ok, nice16:40
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Acceyep it is :)16:40
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AL13N_jollaok, so sasl has a problem.16:42
kimmoli_AL13N_jolla: do yuo mean if network drops, or change from 3g to wifi?16:43
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AL13N_jollano, I mean that if I select sasl, it faiks16:43
kimmoli_it works for me (in Jolla if you mean that)16:44
AL13N_jollafails, retries without sasl, but doesn't id my username16:44
AL13N_jollamaking me guest all the time16:45
AL13N_jollaeither it shouldn't retry without sasl, or if it does, it should id my user16:46
AL13N_jollakimmoli_: ^^16:46
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AL13N_jollamaybe for sasl i need another port or something16:47
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kimmolisasl auth success16:51
juke_how do i refresh a SilicaListView?16:52
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juke_i got it, just have reinstantiate it17:02
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Accejuke_: what do you mean refresh? when the model changes?17:09
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juke_when data changes17:09
Acceif the model comes from C++, you should emit valid modelChanged17:09
juke_it does17:10
Acceand the listview will be updated automatically17:10
juke_i'll have to do some googling17:12
Acceyep, anyways, the listvies should update automatically if you have model: myclassinstanceid.myModel and you emit myModelChanged when it is changed17:14
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juke_no, i don't have that 1:1 model in c++017:18
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coderusjuke_: what base class for your model?17:19
juke_i don't have one17:19
coderusso what model you using?17:19
juke_i emit values on start and the view reads them on instantation17:20
juke_basically i have a js-object holding the values17:20
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Accejuke_: a simple array?17:21
juke_every value is of different type17:21
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Acceoh ok17:22
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Accethen check this out:
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Acceyou can use similar scheme as the code example there uses, I think17:23
Acceie. clearing the model and appending the stuff when it's changed17:23
juke_ah yes, just what i need, thanks!17:24
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walokraany tips why trying to use localstorage on device says "SQL: database version mismatch" but it works on emulator?17:42
Accewalokra: try to destroy your old database files on the device first?17:43
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juke_where in the settings can one change ambience?17:44
Accejuke_: afaik, you can change ambience in the gallery app17:44
Acceor if you have favourites you can swipe from left/right in home or lockscreen17:45
walokraAcce: yeah, it fixed it which is strange as nothing had changed17:45
Accewalokra: hmm, could be some weird data corruption thing17:45
Acceglad it fixed it, anyways17:46
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walokrahmm, it works for 1st start and then again gives the error17:49
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Accehmm.. but on emulator it always works?17:53
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walokramaybe it's something when deploying as rpm to the device?17:55
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Accewalokra: yeah, what about the storage location, have you set the organization & app name etc?18:01
walokrayep, but just noticed that i installed again and again the rpm which was old18:02
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walokrawell, changed the db code to always check the db (differently), and now it works18:07
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Turskiwhat should i have installed on device to build projects directly on it?19:19
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Stskeepswell as a start i wouldn't really recommend for it19:20
AL13N_jolla_Turski: that is a good question19:21
Stskeepsbut if you really would like to, you should do it against a chroot19:21
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AL13N_jolla_Stskeeps: my thoughts too19:21
Turskijolla-development-tools ?19:21
AL13N_jolla_Stskeeps: is there an easy command ti get a schroot?19:22
Stskeepsmic it19:22
TurskiStskeeps: oh, why?19:22
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StskeepsTurski: you'll very quickly hit the gles headers fun and accidentially wipe out your booting device19:22
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Turskiok, maybe i don't try it then19:23
AL13N_jolla_Stskeeps: what's mic?19:23
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StskeepsAL13N_jolla_: meego image creatort19:23
Stskeepstakes kickstart file, makes file system19:23
AL13N_jolla_ah nice19:23
Stskeepsor chroot19:24
AL13N_jolla_Stskeeps: you have a minimal kiscjstart?19:24
Stskeepsjust make one up, like, gcc, glibc-devel, etc..19:25
Stskeepsand the repos19:25
Stskeepspeople did it for n950 with whole O19:25
Turskimaybe i'm doing my on-device qml experimenting with just qmlscene then19:25
AcceTurski: if you want only qml19:25
Acceyou can get qmlscene on the device19:25
Acceoh you just said it :D19:26
AL13N_jolla_Acce: Turski that's what I did19:26
Acceyeah I do it occasionally too19:26
Turskiqtcreator is unusable for that because of 20 second delay on getting changes to run on device19:26
Accewell, you can always just copy the changed qml only19:27
AL13N_jolla_Stskeeps: mageia has urpmi --urpmi-root19:27
Acceand start it via ssh / icon19:27
AL13N_jolla_is there something similar?19:27
Turskiand i don't like qtcreator anyway19:28
AL13N_jolla_it installs repo on empty dir19:28
Acceonly thing I like about ide's is autocomplete19:28
AL13N_jolla_then you just install task-basesystem19:28
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AL13N_jolla_there is a basesystem rpm19:31
TurskiAcce: same here19:31
TurskiAcce: and even it is a bit annoying19:32
AL13N_jolla_pkcon used zipper as backend right?19:32
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AL13NStskeeps: zypper has a --root option19:43
AL13Nand with ar, i could potentially set up the repositories19:43
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coderusAL13N: pkcon use Package Kit :)19:48
AL13Nwell, yes, but package kit has a backend19:48
AL13Ncoderus: correct me if i'm wrong19:49
coderuspackagekit is a backend :)19:49
coderuszypper is application19:49
coderusbackend != application19:49
coderusbackend not using application :)19:49
AL13Npackagekit doesn't handle anything on it's own19:52
AL13Nit can't use librpm as a backend19:52
AL13Nit needs something in between...19:52
AL13Nafaik libzypp was used for jolla?19:52
AL13Ncoderus: am i wrong?19:52
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coderusAL13N: right, PackageKit-zypp is backend for packagekit, but not zypper itself :)19:54
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AL13Nyes... but you knew what i meant19:56
AL13Nyou're just arguing semantics19:56
AL13Nstill, i couldn't find any root option for packagekit directly19:56
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coderusAL13N: packagekit is dbu service20:01
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coderuspkcon just cli tool accessing dbus service20:02
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AL13Ncoderus: ok20:10
AL13Ncoderus: any idea what kind of authentication is required for the jolla repositories?20:10
AL13NStskeeps: ^^20:10
AL13Ni tried with my jolla store credentials, but no deal as of yet...20:10
coderusAL13N: what repos?20:11
AL13Nssu lr20:11
AL13Ncoderus: those give a list of repositories20:11
AL13Ni'm trying to add these to a chroot20:12
AL13Nbut i need some kind of credentials20:12
coderusyou need ssu for credentials20:12
AL13Nwell, yes, but ssu doesn't have a --root option :-)20:13
AL13Nmaybe it's some kind of OTP setup20:13
AL13Nanyone know?20:14
coderuswell i ha ve no idea what are you doing20:14
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coderusbut i can chroot to sailfish and use zypper/ssu20:15
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AL13Ncoderus: how are you doing it?20:15
AL13Nzypper --root /chroot/base ssu ar https//.../ name ?20:15
AL13Nsomething like that?20:15
AL13Ncoderus: i want to install a chroot for building apps on my phone20:16
AL13Nso that i don't destroy the phone, but i can still do stuff on it20:16
coderusmount -o bind /proc /sailfish/proc20:16
coderusmount -o bind /sys /sailfish/sys20:16
coderusmount -o bind /dev /sailfish/dev20:16
coderus/usr/sbin/chroot /sailfish20:16
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AL13Ncoderus: well, yes, but the /sailfish dir needs to be populated with something, right :-)?20:18
AL13Natm, i have an empty directory yet20:18
coderusits *rootstrap*20:18
coderusclone / and clean20:19
AL13Nyou just snapshot the / on the phone20:19
AL13Nwell, i wanted something smaller20:20
AL13Non Mageia (i'm a mageia packager), i just do20:20
AL13Nurpmi.addmedia --urpmi-root /chroot/base http://media..../ && urpmi --urpmi-root /chroot/base basesystem urpmi vim rpm-build20:21
AL13Nand i have a clean chroot to build stuff from20:21
AL13Ncoderus: atm, i'm stuck here:
AL13Nbecause of the authentication20:22
AL13Ni thought it would just be username/pass20:22
AL13Nbut i'm guessing this is what the oauth2 is for :-)20:22
coderusthere is some backend20:22
coderusin libraries20:22
coderuslet me reboot to check chroot20:23
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AL13Nok, i'll bbiab20:25
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coderusah, its libssu20:26
NormalHi there.20:26
coderuscan be used instead of dbus20:26
Normalcoderus: Hi.20:28
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NormalI'm interested in how Sailfish mounts rootfs and specifically, if the command 'btrfs device scan' is run before the rootfs is mounted.20:30
AardNormal: the rootfs is marked as btrfs default volume20:31
AL13Ncoderus: how can i use it instead of dbus? you mean libssu handles the authentication part of the repositories?20:31
StskeepsAL13N: no need for that repo20:31
AardNormal: the other volumes are mounted by their names (see in /etc/fstab)20:32
AL13NStskeeps: which ones?20:32
coderusAL13N: it handles ssu :)20:32
AL13Ncoderus: well, that seems logical :-)20:32
NormalAard: what I'm hoping to do is is add my SD card as a volume to rootfs and thus extend the filesystem.20:32
AardAL13N: what's the ssu question? can't find it in backlog on first glance20:33
AL13Ni wanted to add repositories to an empty dir20:33
AL13Nin order to initialize a clean chroot for building purposes20:34
AL13Non my phone20:34
NormalAard: According to the folks at #btrfs that's possible but when you reboot the OS needs to do 'btrfs device scan' first.20:34
AL13Nthere's auth on the repositories and it's not the store credentials20:34
AardNormal: it _might_ work by just adding the sd card to the btrfs pool (initialization of the sd-card should happen early enough), and extending the volume. however, you'll get into big trouble if the sd-card dies or gets removed, plus you'll notice speed differences between accessing parts on the mmc and the sd-card20:35
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AL13NAard: would mirroring work?20:35
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AardAL13N: there's auth on _some_ repositories, not all -- the core OS is on repos without auth. for the ones where there is auth, it's an oauth token received via the store client as password, and your username as username20:36
Aardcheck /etc/zypp/credentials.d/store for the current value20:37
AL13NAard: ah, i thought i'd use the token from account.jolla.com20:38
Aardyou can try, no idea if it works20:38
AL13Nhmm, it's the same token20:39
coderusAL13N: no20:39
AardI didn't do the oauth bits, I just rely on the store client to give me what I need :)20:39
coderusit can't be account :)20:39
coderuscommon repos working w/o auth20:39
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NormalAard: At this point I'm working minimizing the mights that appear in sentences related to this topic.  Hence the question about the 'btrsf device scan'.  The issue of loosing the SD card somehow is a risk I've considered.  I have to admit to being a little confused, root. swap and home all mount the same partition.  Apologies for going on a bit...20:49
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AardNormal: it's one filesystem containing several volumes. they just mount different volumes20:51
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AardNormal: we use basically this setup, with the exception that we set the root-volume as default volume to avoid knowing the right one when mounting it.
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AL13NAard: basically, i copied over /etc/zypp ... that was alot easier20:57
AL13Nit's installing the chroot now20:57
AL13Nwe'll see if the /etc/zypp might conflict somewhere20:57
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M4rtinKI guess swap is on a separate partition ?20:58
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AL13Nno, i don't think so20:58
AardM4rtinK: yes20:58
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M4rtinKjust asking because of
AL13NAard: what's the /swap then?20:59
AL13N(though i did see /proc/swap actually uses a different partition)21:00
achipaw00t: on a side, isn't it a bit double standards to disallow QtWidget et al dependencies, in the context of other people having legacy code, just like yourself?21:00
M4rtinKI think just one of the bunch of partitions the device has21:00
AardAL13N: leftover from playing with swapfiles on btrfs. as it's a subvolume it does not take any space, so we didn't bother removing it21:01
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AL13NAard: ok, that's fine21:01
M4rtinKand what about the recovery image ? is it also a btrfs subvolume or is it outside ?21:01
AL13Nit's a subvolume21:01
achipa(without the desire to flame, just wanting to understand why it's so important to seal those off NOW, and not just mark them as not available for SailfishOS version XYZ which will drop QtWidgets)21:01
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AL13Nthe fun part is that the real / and /home are actually snapshots from the factory reset / and /home21:01
M4rtinKso I guess no good to save a busted BTRFS ? ;)21:02
M4rtinKmakes btrfs over emmc & uSD that more crazy :)21:02
AL13Nthe fun part is that btrfs doesn't get corrupted21:02
AardM4rtinK: no, if the btrfs is dead the phone will become a care case21:03
AL13Nif there's bad hardware, the chksum fails though21:03
AardM4rtinK: you can use the recovery mode to create backups of your device which you can later copy back in recovery mode, though. :)21:03
M4rtinKif you stretch it over two physical devices, and one of them is a "very reliable" uSD card... :)21:03
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M4rtinKAard: if you have a recovery mode :)21:04
AL13NAard: yes, a btrfs mirror on µSD21:04
AL13Nthat should be possible, right?21:04
M4rtinKthat's a good question21:04
AardM4rtinK: I assume that people doing crazy stuff update to the latest software version :)21:04
M4rtinKdoes it try to boot from uSD ?21:04
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AardAL13N: in theory, yes, but you wouldn't be able to boot from the sd card -> you're still screwed if th eemmc fails21:05
AL13Nit wouldn't need to, the btrfs device scan would include it21:05
M4rtinKthat might be an nice workaround to the lack of images21:05
AL13NAard: that's likely, but you still have backup :-)21:05
M4rtinKfor low level development, like making Nemo run on the Jolla21:05
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M4rtinK& related stuff21:06
AL13NM4rtinK: for that, you should use chroots21:06
AardAL13N: you can do tars from the built in rescue mode. or you can unlock the bootloader, and use the rescue kernel someone in community made and dd stuff to sd-card21:06
AL13Ni'm testing that right now21:06
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Aardsecond option would easily allow you to 'flash' damaged partitions back21:06
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AL13NAard: but if the MCC fails, you wouldn't get the rescue mode, right?21:06
M4rtinKAL13N: the default on the N900 was just to boot Nemo and other stuff from the uSD card21:07
AardAL13N: if the emmc fails your device is a care case, hardware damage :p21:07
AL13Ngood point21:07
M4rtinKAL13N: lot closer to real deployment than a chroot21:07
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AardAL13N: it would guard you against breaking the btrfs, though21:07
AL13NM4rtinK: but, this way i can still use my phone21:07
M4rtinKso it won't even try to boot from uSD if emmc is totally busted ?21:07
AL13NAard: true, that... it seems i'll need a µSD soon-ish21:07
M4rtinKjust asking :)21:07
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AardAL13N: good choice. we'll have better support for sd-card soonish as well ;)21:08
M4rtinKAL13N: sure, chroot should be enough for a lot of stuff :)21:08
AL13NAard: well, if i'm just using it as btrfs mirror, then i don't need the sd-card support :-)21:08
AL13Nbut if the µSD is bigger, i might store my development chroots on it21:09
AL13Nanyone know if MMC or µSD is faster?21:09
AL13Ni assume µSD is slower21:09
AardI'm constantly running out of space on my phone :/ I'm used to a 64gb n9 (which was full all the time as well)21:09
AL13NAard: use more btrfs snapshots :-)21:09
M4rtinKbtw, found some speedtests for emmc/uSD:
AL13NAard: also, something for coming versions... if possible, i'd advise you to mark the factory reset subvolumes as read-only21:10
AL13Nthat might save space21:10
M4rtinKAard: that's why I already have a 64 GB uSD :)21:10
M4rtinKAard: regarding better SD card support, doing it properly might be kinda hard21:11
M4rtinKAard: so any plans to start a discussion about it so people can submit ideas how to do it ? :)21:12
AardM4rtinK: 'properly'?21:12
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M4rtinKAard: what folders you can expect to be on the card, what about the XDG data folder if car is/in not there21:13
AL13NM4rtinK: i would assume the µSD would be used for data only21:13
M4rtinKAard: checking if card is inserted, card hotswap (is that supported ?), etc.21:13
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AL13Nbtw: i read SIM hotswap wouldn't be supported, but i still unplugged sim and replugged and typed in pin and i was ok21:14
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M4rtinKAL13N: sure, but do we want to have some common hierarchy on it or just a free-for-all21:14
AL13NM4rtinK: think MTP :-(21:14
AardM4rtinK: well-written software uses xdg-variables, so it should be just a matter of changing the users xdg folder configuration for xdg directories21:15
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AL13Nbesides, i assume the tracker would take care of the µSD21:15
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M4rtinKlike redirecting the XDG data path to sdcard automatically if it is inserted ?21:15
AL13Nanyway, RL calls: chores :-(21:15
AardM4rtinK: checking if card is inserted and hotswap is already working, though we don't support writing to the card yet ;)21:16
M4rtinKAL13N: tracker already scans the card for music21:16
AardAL13N: sim hotswap is not supported because we can't guarantee it to work reliable. it still works in most cases, though.21:16
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AardM4rtinK: on sd-card, no hierarchy is enforced (intentionally) -- whole sd-card gets indexed. in home we only index a handful of folders21:17
AL13Nchroot seems to work, btw21:17
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M4rtinKAard: that sounds reasonable21:18
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AL13Nbtw: when i get my buildsystem running... first i'll try a static build of vlc :-)21:18
M4rtinKbah, try Qt :)21:18
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NormalAard: Thanks, a fair amount to study.21:22
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AL13NM4rtinK: qt is longer, but that's not the point... i want to play my NFS movies!!!21:23
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AL13Ni mean my movies on my NAS21:24
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M4rtinKAL13N: well, I wonder if it would be able to make use of hardware acceleration when built like this21:25
AL13Nmaybe with the gles backend?21:26
AL13Nwell, we'll see what happens21:27
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NormalAard: If/when I add my SD card, assuming I 'brick' my phone what way back is there?21:31
AardNormal: if you break the btrfs, send it to us for having it reflashed (you'd pay for it, though, as you'd have broken it yourself). so before you play: make sure you have installed. unlock your bootloader. create dd-images of all partitions to a spare sd-card (search tmo, there are instructions for that somewhere)21:32
AL13Nbtrfs snapshot send/receive21:33
AardAL13N: I'd go for dd, there you know you can't mess it up21:34
AL13Noh crap, no send/receive support... kernel too old21:35
AL13Nor maybe ...21:35
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M4rtinKI wonder if there is someone using iSCSI on a mobile device...21:38
tbr'because you can'21:40
AardM4rtinK: I toyed with it a while back, after I had an iSCSI box at home because some software I was using only properly supported iSCSI as network storage21:42
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M4rtinKyou can due some pretty crazy stuff with iSCSI & co :)21:43
M4rtinKand add to it LVM thin provisioning, bcache, XFS... :)21:44
AL13NAard: so, what package did you need to build apps?21:44
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AardAL13N: ?21:45
AL13NAard: i now have a chroot with rpm-build on it21:45
AL13Nbut is there a sort of build-essentials package21:45
AL13Nor task-build-jolla-app21:46
AL13Nor whatnot?21:46
AardM4rtinK: I don't remember exactly what I originally did. I think it was something like evaluating some software in a vm requring ms-sql, and putting the storage for that on iSCSI. was years ago21:46
AardAL13N: list the patterns, there might be a pattern21:46
Aardif not, just install gcc/g++ and whatever devel packages you need21:46
AL13NAard: pattern?21:46
AL13Nyou mean "build" ?21:47
M4rtinKAard: interesting :)21:47
AardAL13N: patterns, installable via zypper21:47
Aardzypper pt21:48
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AL13Nbtw: anyone know of a wgetpaste command equivalent?21:52
AL13Nsomething you can pipe stuff to and it makes a online link?21:53
AL13NAard: <-- what do you think? the sailfish-development or sdk-target? or silica-devel ?21:54
NormalAard: Yeah, this I have to agree, this can only be a I break it, I pay for it philosophy (Any idea of the costs <excluding P&P>).  As for creating a dd-image is it possible to run dd from a remote host like my PC?  as if I were re-flashing the phone...  For that fact, can I re-flash the phone from a image on my PC?21:55
AardAL13N: just try :) probably silica-devel and sailfish-development should give you a good selection21:55
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AL13NNormal: mount NFS :-)21:57
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AL13Nok, i'm off to sleep, got to work tomorrow...21:57
AL13Nand this time, i'll get to make some private workarounds in a kernel device driver... joy21:57
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AardNormal: generally, yes, but I'm not sure if there are ready made images available. if not, you'd have to do an image yourself which would be a kernel with initramfs expertorting all mmc-partitions as block devices via usb21:58
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NormalAard: You make that sound so easy...22:05
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NormalAard: I've got a lot to think about.  Thank you.  I think I'll have to come back soon, after I've done a bit more reading on the matter of backing up my phone.  This link < > already suggests a possible method to reflash the phone from a disc image.22:25
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NormalAard: On a broader, note.  What I'd really like to achieve, is to add my SD card a volume for extending and holding user data, installed apps, emails, documents, music, videos etc.  Perhaps if there was an effective way to narrow the scope of the volume add.  Then this would reduce the risk to the core system?  Food for thought.22:29
NormalI'm going to call it a night.22:30
AardNormal: you can already copy music/videos there from pc. additional use will be enabled at some point in updates22:30
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NormalAard, the idea is to provide seamless contiguous filesystem.  So for example I don't have my email living somewhere off /home/nemo/ and my music collection living off /some/path/to/my/SD Card/Music22:33
AardNormal: yes, I understand that, though it might be a lot less risky and still acceptable when done nicely with separate filesystems22:34
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Teun_sd card would at least be the mist logical place for .vault backup files22:35
AardTeun_: is being worked on22:35
Teun_aard: that's good to know22:36
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NormalAard: I think we've breached the level of my ignorance, sorry.  But when you say separate filesystems, what exactly do you mean.  I have been thinking of this like when you mount a physic drive on a mount point and you get all the capacity of that drive from that point in your fs tree, except that any files which already exist at the mount point remain visible.  I appreciate that's probably a crude, erroneous over simplif22:42
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AardNormal: keeping sd-card and mmc separate, and just store all pictures on sd-card, for example22:43
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NormalAard: Yes, but is it possible to do that and abstract the fs across the two physical devices?22:45
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Aardthe btrfs-bit you said would do that, but has the risk of bricking your device if th esd-card breaks22:45
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NormalAard: That is true, but that just makes the SD-card one more potential point of failure in one large system.  There are lots of system critical components and btrfs is design with an element of robustness.22:49
M4rtinKwell, consumer grade uSD cards are known for their stellar reliability...22:52
M4rtinKno wonder considering the price, buggy controllers, etc.22:53
M4rtinKI wouldn't trust that to not brick my device...22:53
M4rtinKwell, if there was at least some way to easily reflash22:54
M4rtinK+ doing incremental backups every day, that might make it less crazy :)22:55
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NormalM4rtink: Which is why I'm doing research first.  I have a lot to learn.  If I had a btrfs spare drive (or perhaps disc image), I'd take snapshots regularly :)22:56
NormalNow I have to call it a night.  I have a lot to think about.  Thank you.22:57
M4rtinKgood night! :)22:57
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achipawhat's the "acceptable" C++ way of figuring out the display resolution? (and no, I'm not going to hard-code it :)23:23
Aardachipa: there's a dbus-call to make a screenshot in the compositor. then you open the created png, and count the pixels?23:25
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w00tachipa: QScreen?23:41
Aardhrm. or that.23:41
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Abby20 I give you some pictures. I hope you like!
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Abby26 I give you some pictures. I hope you like!
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achipaAard: w00t: yes, QScreen is what I want, thx!23:56
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