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| Armadillo | is there a possibility to clean the store client cache? I have the problem, that my app got a wrong icon (the one of Saildoku) and I want to find out with journalctl how this happened | 08:57 |
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| stephg | icon in the store or launcher icon? | 09:10 |
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| thp | coderus: https://github.com/sailfish-sdk/libsailfishapp/pull/3 <- would that be acceptable for i18n support in libsailfishapp? | 09:59 |
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| Armadillo | stephg the icon in the store | 10:23 |
| Armadillo | in my apps | 10:23 |
| radiofree | so zooming in the gallery is now completely broken? | 10:24 |
| stephg | broken as in it it's that blue and white one? | 10:25 |
| stephg | in answer to your question I have no idea how to flush the store cache | 10:25 |
| radiofree | as in you can't do it anymore | 10:25 |
| stephg | I've noticed apps do that if the connection is flakey | 10:25 |
| Armadillo | ok | 10:26 |
| Armadillo | found an issue about this at together: https://together.jolla.com/question/4158/bad-icons-in-my-apps-in-jolla-store/ | 10:34 |
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| coderus | thp: is make build_translations necessary? | 10:42 |
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| thp | coderus: well, we could do it every time the developer builds the package, but that might slow down the edit, build, deploy, etst cycle a bit | 10:43 |
| coderus | lupdate takes less than one second for me. its not 2000s | 10:44 |
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| thp | coderus: build_translations is lrelease i think | 10:44 |
| coderus | what is update_translations then? | 10:46 |
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| coderus | aha, update_translations is lupdate, build_translations is lrelease. | 10:50 |
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| thp | yup | 10:51 |
| coderus | need to test this lupdate script, in most cases it require hack to fetch translation strings from qml files | 10:52 |
| Armadillo | lupdte works very well for me | 10:52 |
| Armadillo | I'm using the version from the QT 5.2 sdk | 10:53 |
| coderus | lupdate project.pro? | 10:53 |
| coderus | and pro have no hacks for qml files? | 10:53 |
| Armadillo | lupdate qml/ -ts file.ts -no-obsolete | 10:53 |
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| Armadillo | this recursively goes through the whole qml directory | 10:53 |
| coderus | lupdate -recursive for recursive ;) | 10:54 |
| coderus | i'm talking about this one: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.0/qtquick/qtquick-internationalization.html | 10:54 |
| radiofree | actually it's just smaller images you can't zoom in on | 10:55 |
| Armadillo | for me it's recursive by default | 10:55 |
| radiofree | i.e images with a resolution smaller than the phones resolution | 10:55 |
| radiofree | which are exactly the type of images you'd want to zoom in on :\ | 10:55 |
| Armadillo | yes all my strings which should be translated ar marked with qsTr | 10:56 |
| Armadillo | are | 10:56 |
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| Jabbounet | hello all | 11:29 |
| Armadillo | hi | 11:30 |
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| Guest2439 | ping | 12:49 |
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| TheBootroo | *lolz | 12:50 |
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| thp | coderus: PR updated; now it always re-extracts the strings, and you can disable that by just uncommenting the "CONFIG += sailfishapp_i18n" line | 13:33 |
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| coderus | thp: good :) | 13:52 |
| coderus | but i'm tired to develop without real device. will return to harmattan development soon. | 13:53 |
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| thp | coderus: install sailfish on your n9? ;) | 13:55 |
| coderus | its still 1.0.2.5 | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | ah, right, something broke in 1.0.3.8 didn't it | 13:56 |
| coderus | 1.0.3.8 jolla users intensively reporting bugs i have no | 13:56 |
| Stskeeps | did anybody identify the problem yet? | 13:56 |
| coderus | Stskeeps: sure | 13:56 |
| radiofree | coderus: can you open source the engine? | 13:56 |
| coderus | radiofree: 399 euros for opensourcing :D | 13:57 |
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| fk_lx | + shipping costs ;-) | 13:57 |
| coderus | aha | 13:57 |
| coderus | Stskeeps: N9 framebuffer is landscape oriented | 13:57 |
| coderus | and now silica think default orientation for N9 should be landscape | 13:58 |
| coderus | and using width = Screen.width which is 854 | 13:58 |
| coderus | :D | 13:58 |
| coderus | phone feels good in landscape with little silica fixies | 13:58 |
| coderus | but who want to have landscape oriented phone? :D | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | depends if there's a hw kb or not | 13:59 |
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| coderus | *landscape oriented phone with no keyboard :D | 13:59 |
| Stskeeps | coderus: i suspect it's not related to that but rather to sensors not working by chance? | 13:59 |
| coderus | Stskeeps: sensors working | 14:00 |
| coderus | check silica code changes since 1.0.2.5 and you will see | 14:00 |
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| coderus | there are _rotatingItem added | 14:00 |
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| coderus | which is calculated using Screen geometry | 14:00 |
| coderus | its not using orientation data | 14:01 |
| coderus | i started fixing it but gave up | 14:01 |
| coderus | but orientation problem is small | 14:02 |
| coderus | real problem is phone booting only once with 1.0.3.8 | 14:02 |
| coderus | after rebooting it no longer booting | 14:03 |
| coderus | :F | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | that's more weird | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | anyway, we didn't intentionally break it, we just don't QA on n9 setup anymore | 14:03 |
| coderus | yeah, i know | 14:03 |
| coderus | just send Jolla worldwide then | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. if it was just that magic | 14:04 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:04 |
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| coderus | many peoples will be offending on Jolla when spring starts | 14:04 |
| coderus | and i'm into this count | 14:04 |
| coderus | but who cares :D | 14:05 |
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| Nicd- | offending on Jolla? | 14:09 |
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| Stskeeps | cursing at jolla, i presume :) | 14:09 |
| Nicd- | I just need the shutdown issue to be resolved :( | 14:10 |
| jovaha | when will the licensing structures be reveled? and will everything jolla makes be open source? | 14:12 |
| Sail0r | look at the talk from Stskeeps | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | jovaha: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed8duAnlwHc&feature=youtu.be is a good start to introduce how the situation is today | 14:13 |
| Sail0r | there are most of your questions answered | 14:13 |
| Sail0r | ok he was faster ^^ | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | and surprisingily it's the truth in there, too | 14:13 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 14:13 |
| Sail0r | i advice you to make a shortcut for that Stskeeps ^^ | 14:14 |
| Stskeeps | meh, i'm faster than a damn shortcut | 14:14 |
| jovaha | a thenx :) will wach it now much | 14:14 |
| Sail0r | lol | 14:14 |
| Sail0r | xD | 14:14 |
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| vgrade-sf_ | in my testing 1.0.3.8 startup wizzard has correct orientation but after please wait the ui is shown rotated and in landscape | 14:15 |
| pp | slideset only would be a nice bonus :-) | 14:15 |
| * pp speedskips through the video | 14:15 | |
| Stskeeps | pp: yes, sec | 14:15 |
| Sail0r | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/SailfishFOSDEM2014_vfinal.pdf | 14:15 |
| pp | ok, I need to watch the video too, there are good bits that the slides don't cover | 14:16 |
| Stskeeps | http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/niceview.png too | 14:16 |
| coderus | vgrade-sf_: who cares if jolla testing only own devices. | 14:17 |
| coderus | talking about flexible operating system supporting many devices is lie | 14:17 |
| coderus | everybody need to patch it to other devices | 14:18 |
| coderus | pigs can't fly | 14:18 |
| zutto | sure they can | 14:18 |
| coderus | :D really? | 14:18 |
| zutto | yes | 14:19 |
| coderus | okay then :D | 14:19 |
| zutto | if you make device to throw them so hard in the air, it will seem like that they are flying | 14:19 |
| coderus | falling is not flying | 14:19 |
| zutto | psh, falling is part of flying | 14:19 |
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| vgrade-sf_ | coderus: id like to work together to have sf on other non hybris devices | 14:19 |
| coderus | i'm sorry, falling is not flying | 14:19 |
| coderus | vgrade-sf_: i cant spend too much time for it now | 14:20 |
| juke_ | i'm trying to put SilicaListView on a Page and below the ListView a button, do i need to do something else besided anchors.top: listView.bottom in Button? | 14:20 |
| coderus | i have no real job and need to spend my time to current problems | 14:21 |
| vgrade-sf_ | coderus: no probs. thanks for your contributions | 14:21 |
| juke_ | the list view is visible but button is not | 14:21 |
| coderus | juke_: anchors.bottomMargin: button.height + Theme.paddingLarge | 14:21 |
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| juke_ | in button? | 14:23 |
| coderus | after launching mitakuuluu project i getting enough donations for a life, but after sailfish update everybody want a fixies for bugs which i cannot debug or expect. | 14:23 |
| coderus | juke_: button.anchors.bottom: parent.bottom | 14:23 |
| coderus | btw, what is button for at the bottom of listview? | 14:23 |
| coderus | you can use bottom Dock or PushUpMenu for a better sailfish ux | 14:24 |
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| coderus | or you can set SilicaListView.footer: Component { something } | 14:25 |
| juke_ | footer might be great | 14:25 |
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| juke_ | bottom dock is the the menu at the bottom and push up menu is above the view? | 14:29 |
| coderus | aha | 14:31 |
| juke_ | documentation says pulldownmenu and pullupmenu, makes sense | 14:32 |
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| coderus | PushUp, not PullUp :D | 14:36 |
| juke_ | right | 14:36 |
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| achipa | why is it a problem for harbour that an app links to a [random_lib] if the app can handle failing gracefully? Especially if the libs in question are Qt? | 14:40 |
| Stskeeps | direct ELF-ish links? | 14:41 |
| Stskeeps | or dlopen | 14:41 |
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| achipa | Stskeeps: I dlopen a lib of my own (which is ELF linked). I'm perfectly fine with/handle dlopen failing. | 14:44 |
| tbr | it's possible that the checking script goes haywire on that | 14:45 |
| tbr | have you run the in sdk check? | 14:45 |
| thp | achipa: lib shipped with your app or lib installed somewhere in the system? | 14:46 |
| achipa | thp: shipped with my app | 14:46 |
| thp | achipa: can you pastebin the rpmvalidator report? might help in seeing what's wrong :) | 14:47 |
| thp | might be that we just need to whitelist some apps | 14:47 |
| thp | s/apps/libs/ | 14:47 |
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| achipa | thp: full of stuff like ERROR [/usr/share/harbour-qtinfo/lib/libdeclarativeui.so.1.0.0] Cannot link to shared library: libQt5Declarative.so.5 | 14:48 |
| achipa | now before everyone goes "you shouldn't use..." let me reiterate what QtInfo does | 14:49 |
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| * w00t doesn't understand why you need to link against it when you dlopen | 14:49 | |
| tbr | hrm won't build on OBS due to weird git layout. :/ (or I'm too dumb to tell tar_git that the rpm dir is in a subdriectory) | 14:49 |
| achipa | it ships with a number of compiled UIs, and determines the best one at runtime. So if it finds QtQuick 2.0, it will use that, if it finds QtQuick 1.0 only, then it will use that, and if you only have qwidgets, that's fine, too | 14:50 |
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| fk_lx | btw. what QtInfo exactly does? some kind of information program what's available? | 14:51 |
| thp | and conditionally not compiling qtwidgets + qtquick1 uis is too difficult to pull off? | 14:51 |
| achipa | thp: that defeats the purpose of QtInfo. You just switched it from runtime to compile-time UI | 14:51 |
| w00t | achipa: you aren't doing runtime detection if you're linking against things.. | 14:51 |
| achipa | w00t: it's runtime, the parts that are linking are the ones that actually have a hard dependency - but as said, that's why I dlopen those parts, so that I can recover gracefully | 14:53 |
| thp | achipa: so not installing libdeclarativeui.so.1.0.0 (which will make dlopen fail) could fix it? | 14:54 |
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| achipa | w00t: so the QtQuick2 UI has a link to Qt5Qml. But that's fine, as if that's not there, the module is useless anyway (and I fall back and try to dlopen something else) | 14:55 |
| achipa | thp: remove from where? | 14:55 |
| w00t | %install %qtc5_install (or whatever it is) ... rm %{buildroot}/... | 14:56 |
| thp | achipa: either from INSTALLS += or just "rm" it in the .spec file post-"make install" | 14:56 |
| achipa | thp: w00t: I'm not installing it. My package has no (runtime) dependency on it. | 14:58 |
| w00t | achipa: then how is it getting into the rpm? | 14:58 |
| w00t | rpmvalidator validates what you package (and you tend to package what you install) | 14:59 |
| achipa | fk_lx: tries to (dynamically, at runtime) figure out as much as it can from your Qt setup at runtime (seriously, see https://github.com/achipa/qtinfo - there are even screenshots :) ) | 14:59 |
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| fk_lx | achipa: thanks for answer :-) | 15:01 |
| fk_lx | achipa: and for the link | 15:01 |
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| w00t | achipa: assuming I'm looking in the right place, https://github.com/achipa/qtinfo/blob/master/trunk/declarativeui/declarativeui.pro#L54 would apply | 15:03 |
| achipa | w00t: thp: so back to square one. why is it so bad to have that lib in? | 15:03 |
| w00t | achipa: because performance (and usability) of widgets is complete crap, we have no manpower to work on fixing anything there (let alone making it work better), and we want to encourage decent applications | 15:05 |
| w00t | achipa: as qtquick1 uses qtwidgets, there's your answer | 15:05 |
| achipa | w00t: even if the Qt promise is "Qt essentials define the foundation of Qt on all platforms. They are available on all supported development platforms and on the tested target platforms."? | 15:06 |
| w00t | achipa: that doesn't change what I just said | 15:07 |
| w00t | achipa: I'll happily raise the discussion on the qt development list to change that, though, thanks for bringing it up | 15:07 |
| thp | achipa: removing the libs that link against qtq1/qtw would "work around" that problem, though, no? | 15:08 |
| achipa | w00t: even if the "performance (and usability)" problems you speak of will never actually manifest in apps like QtInfo? | 15:08 |
| w00t | achipa: restricting linking makes our lives easier, and it also leaves me with a free hand to disable widget builds entirely in the future, once the few things that still link to them go away. | 15:09 |
| achipa | w00t: no need. the essentials list is a joke anyway - more platforms miss webkit than platforms that have it, and it's still nominally essentials | 15:09 |
| w00t | achipa: well... the list was written before webkit imploded ;) | 15:09 |
| achipa | thp: yes, I can *neuter* the app. That is very much against the ethos of QtInfo, because it would mean it would say you DONT HAVE QtWidgets, QtDeclarative, etc even if they ARE on the system | 15:11 |
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| juke_ | in my silicalistview i have anchors.margins: Theme.paddingLarge, which looks nice, but now my PullDownMenu is not at the top of the screen | 15:14 |
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| w00t | juke_: pad your delegates, not the listview | 15:14 |
| achipa | w00t: https://github.com/sailfish-sdk/sdk-harbour-rpmvalidator/blob/master/allowed_libraries.conf has only a superficial resemblance to the Qt essentials + addon list, even if we don't count webkit... | 15:15 |
| juke_ | w00t, if i put it in deletegate: Item {, nothing happens | 15:16 |
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| w00t | achipa: core, gui, multimediate, network, qml, quick, sql are available | 15:17 |
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| w00t | achipa: test is not available mostly because nobody has needed it yet. controls and layouts were released in 5.2, and we're running 5.1, so i'm not sure how you expect us to have those... | 15:17 |
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| juke_ | got it working by adding anchors.left | 15:19 |
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| kelvan | tbr: hi, I built two packages on obs (nmap and wol), can I submit it to chum? | 15:20 |
| achipa | w00t: what I'm saying is that you (Sailfish/Jolla) basically make up your own essentials list and decide what's in an out on platform level, Qt cross-platformness and it's developer promises be damned. | 15:21 |
| tbr | kelvan: yes, we don't have things 'in order' yet, so it's a bit informal. | 15:21 |
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| w00t | achipa: I don't quite understand how one item not being on the list (which was likely an oversight) leads to your calling it a "superficial resemblance", but okay | 15:22 |
| kelvan | tbr: my packages are also unchanged upstream stuff (just spec tweaks) so not much to check ;) | 15:22 |
| tbr | kelvan: go to the package in the obs ui (or do the corresponding motions with osc) and submit the package to sailfishos:chum:1.0.3.8:testing | 15:23 |
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| tbr | good to hear, makes review easier. still will need a few tests like install/uninstall etc to make sure it behaves cleanly | 15:24 |
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| achipa | w00t: could be also an oversight, but it seems that, say, multimedia, sql and webkit got demoted to addon, which would then be the "custom compatibility promise" group | 15:25 |
| tbr | kelvan: I'm heading out now, but will check later. | 15:26 |
| kelvan | tbr: take your time, it's not urgent :) | 15:27 |
| achipa | w00t: in strictly numerical terms, your essentials list has 5 modules. The upstream Qt one has 14 | 15:28 |
| achipa | (for 5.1) | 15:28 |
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| achipa | w00t: also, http://qt-project.org/wiki/New-Features-in-Qt-5.1 claims controls and layouts actually were in 5.1, but I didn't verify, so might be that they were just optimistic | 15:29 |
| w00t | achipa: um? where do you get 5 from? :) | 15:29 |
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| achipa | w00t: https://github.com/sailfish-sdk/sdk-harbour-rpmvalidator/blob/master/allowed_libraries.conf | 15:29 |
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| w00t | searching for libQt5 on that list of libraries gives me 14: core, quick, qml, network, gui, concurrent, multimedia, sql, svg, xmlpatterns, xml, dbus, webkit, sensors | 15:30 |
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| thp | achipa: yeah, the grouping is wrong. | 15:30 |
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| w00t | they do not match up with a 1:1 correlation of the upstream list, for reasons we've already established, and there are some additional entries like sensors because of various reasons, but.. | 15:31 |
| achipa | w00t: that's with the add-ons, there should be 14 *without* :) | 15:31 |
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| w00t | achipa: ignore any and all grouping you see in that configuration file. it's binary: it's promised API, or it isn't | 15:31 |
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| w00t | if it's on the list, it's promised | 15:31 |
| w00t | ..I'm not really sure where this discussion is going, tbh, this isn't really striking me as a useful use of time.. | 15:32 |
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| achipa | w00t: long story short - is the Qt developer offering a *strict* subset of SailfishOS/Mer, or is it more of a remix/best effort? | 15:33 |
| w00t | achipa: the list of "Qt Essentials" does not define our API, if that's your question | 15:34 |
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| w00t | it helps dictate it, but we've already had some discussion above about why that list is defective | 15:35 |
| achipa | w00t: got it | 15:35 |
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| achipa | also, ERROR [/usr/share/harbour-qtinfo/lib/libglinfolib.so] Cannot link to shared library: libQt5OpenGL.so.5 | 15:35 |
| w00t | if you have issues or annoyances with what we offer, please bring them up on the developer list, and discuss what can be done to fix that - adding qttest for example, although I'm not really sure how useful that would be | 15:35 |
| achipa | I guess this will be the same story | 15:36 |
| achipa | w00t: I did post something of the sorts this morning :) | 15:36 |
| w00t | qt5opengl is the old widgets-based set of classes, it has QOpenGL* replacements in QtGui | 15:36 |
| w00t | https://harbour.jolla.com/faq (mentioned in there) | 15:36 |
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| achipa | w00t: yes, yes, as said, same story... on a side note, why do you then ship the thing in/with the SDK? | 15:37 |
| w00t | legacy | 15:37 |
| w00t | http://qtl.me/r83.txt | 15:37 |
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| achipa | keep in the .so if you need but make some big red lettered warning in the headers THIS WILL NOT GET ACCEPTED TO HARBOUR, Y'KNOW | 15:39 |
| w00t | the qt3d dependency (for example) will go away: both because qt3d is removing it and because qtlocation will no longer use qt3d in the medium term future | 15:39 |
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| w00t | well, afaiu the SDK now has a way to run the validator, which should help with that kind of thing | 15:40 |
| achipa | w00t: might be that my SDK is outdated, but it didn't complain too hard with the linked libs | 15:40 |
| w00t | kaltsi: ^ am I talking out of my butt? | 15:41 |
| kaltsi | running the validator is a manual step | 15:41 |
| kaltsi | the script is always up-to-date if the updates are enabled.. if it's not complaining about something that it should, then it needs to be fixed | 15:41 |
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| achipa | will doublecheck | 15:42 |
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| kaltsi | the latest script version is 1.6 something.. it is printed out near the beginning of the script output | 15:43 |
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| juke_ | i'm trying to put a SilicaListView inside a SilicaFlickable, but it's showing on top of PageHeader | 15:55 |
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| Acce | juke_: vertical listview? | 15:57 |
| kimmoli | juke_: hint. check console output for errors. .. | 15:57 |
| juke_ | Acce, yes | 15:57 |
| juke_ | lemme pastebin | 15:57 |
| juke_ | http://pastebin.com/xmEYUrV3 | 15:58 |
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| Acce | If you're using the flickable just to use a pulley menu, remove the flickable, use only the silicalistview use it's header: property | 15:58 |
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| juke_ | oh, yeah | 15:59 |
| Acce | yep, remove the silicaflickable altogether | 15:59 |
| Acce | pushup and pulley menu work inside the listview | 15:59 |
| juke_ | well, i'm going to add stuff to that later on | 15:59 |
| juke_ | listview will be going away on doStuff() | 15:59 |
| Acce | hmm | 15:59 |
| Acce | can you not push a page on that event? | 16:00 |
| juke_ | i'll have to think about it | 16:00 |
| juke_ | thanks | 16:00 |
| Acce | you're welcome, personally I think, if your page stack won't be too deep, it's better to push a new page than replace the listview, you would need to make some animations and stuff which is already present when pushing the page too | 16:01 |
| Acce | and, in my experience, stacking flickables & it's derivatives causes problems with which component catches the swipes.. | 16:02 |
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| Turski | how can i build a project on build machine without using qtcreator? | 16:04 |
| Turski | there's no qmake | 16:05 |
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| Acce | you need to use mb2 or something | 16:05 |
| Acce | before all commands | 16:05 |
| Acce | I'm just about to find it on sailfish.org ... this page needs some help with navigation | 16:08 |
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| kimmoli_ | sb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl .... | 16:08 |
| Turski | ah, thanks | 16:08 |
| * Acce is too slow | 16:08 | |
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| juke_ | is there a way to detect pop()ing pagestack? | 16:13 |
| juke_ | so that i could actually cancel what user is trying to do | 16:14 |
| Acce | what do you mean? | 16:15 |
| Acce | a Dialog? | 16:15 |
| Acce | maybe onStatusChanged: | 16:15 |
| Acce | and check if the page is deactivated | 16:15 |
| juke_ | in that last example doStuff takes for ~30 seconds, my plan is to that if user clicks back on the stack, that task would cancel | 16:16 |
| Acce | alternatively use a Dialog instead of a Page, and act onAccepted and onCanceled | 16:16 |
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| juke_ | i inherited this project and i'm kinda new to Qt. i have signals in my c++ code which i am emiting, and i have connections in my qml code which have name onMySignal if signal is called mySignal in c++. are these kind of signal implicitily connected? | 16:37 |
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| Guest2439 | ping | 16:38 |
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| Acce | juke_: yes | 16:39 |
| Acce | if you say "emit someSignal();" in C++ | 16:39 |
| Guest2439 | ping | 16:39 |
| Guest2439 | fuck | 16:39 |
| Acce | and you have instantiated (made an component) in QML of that C++ class | 16:39 |
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| Acce | the onSomeSignal will be executed when it's emitted in C++ | 16:40 |
| juke_ | ok, nice | 16:40 |
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| Acce | yep it is :) | 16:40 |
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| AL13N_jolla | ping | 16:41 |
| AL13N_jolla | finally | 16:41 |
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| AL13N_jolla | ok, so sasl has a problem. | 16:42 |
| kimmoli_ | AL13N_jolla: do yuo mean if network drops, or change from 3g to wifi? | 16:43 |
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| AL13N_jolla | no, I mean that if I select sasl, it faiks | 16:43 |
| kimmoli_ | it works for me (in Jolla if you mean that) | 16:44 |
| AL13N_jolla | fails, retries without sasl, but doesn't id my username | 16:44 |
| AL13N_jolla | making me guest all the time | 16:45 |
| AL13N_jolla | either it shouldn't retry without sasl, or if it does, it should id my user | 16:46 |
| AL13N_jolla | kimmoli_: ^^ | 16:46 |
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| AL13N_jolla | maybe for sasl i need another port or something | 16:47 |
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| kimmoli | sasl auth success | 16:51 |
| juke_ | how do i refresh a SilicaListView? | 16:52 |
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| juke_ | i got it, just have reinstantiate it | 17:02 |
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| Acce | juke_: what do you mean refresh? when the model changes? | 17:09 |
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| juke_ | when data changes | 17:09 |
| Acce | if the model comes from C++, you should emit valid modelChanged | 17:09 |
| juke_ | it does | 17:10 |
| Acce | and the listview will be updated automatically | 17:10 |
| juke_ | i'll have to do some googling | 17:12 |
| Acce | yep, anyways, the listvies should update automatically if you have model: myclassinstanceid.myModel and you emit myModelChanged when it is changed | 17:14 |
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| juke_ | no, i don't have that 1:1 model in c++0 | 17:18 |
| juke_ | -0 | 17:18 |
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| coderus | juke_: what base class for your model? | 17:19 |
| juke_ | i don't have one | 17:19 |
| coderus | so what model you using? | 17:19 |
| juke_ | i emit values on start and the view reads them on instantation | 17:20 |
| juke_ | basically i have a js-object holding the values | 17:20 |
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| Acce | juke_: a simple array? | 17:21 |
| juke_ | every value is of different type | 17:21 |
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| Acce | oh ok | 17:22 |
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| Acce | then check this out: https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-searchfield.html | 17:23 |
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| Acce | you can use similar scheme as the code example there uses, I think | 17:23 |
| Acce | ie. clearing the model and appending the stuff when it's changed | 17:23 |
| juke_ | ah yes, just what i need, thanks! | 17:24 |
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| walokra | any tips why trying to use localstorage on device says "SQL: database version mismatch" but it works on emulator? | 17:42 |
| Acce | walokra: try to destroy your old database files on the device first? | 17:43 |
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| juke_ | where in the settings can one change ambience? | 17:44 |
| Acce | juke_: afaik, you can change ambience in the gallery app | 17:44 |
| Acce | or if you have favourites you can swipe from left/right in home or lockscreen | 17:45 |
| walokra | Acce: yeah, it fixed it which is strange as nothing had changed | 17:45 |
| Acce | walokra: hmm, could be some weird data corruption thing | 17:45 |
| Acce | glad it fixed it, anyways | 17:46 |
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| walokra | hmm, it works for 1st start and then again gives the error | 17:49 |
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| Acce | hmm.. but on emulator it always works? | 17:53 |
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| walokra | yeah | 17:54 |
| walokra | maybe it's something when deploying as rpm to the device? | 17:55 |
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| Acce | walokra: yeah, what about the storage location, have you set the organization & app name etc? | 18:01 |
| walokra | yep, but just noticed that i installed again and again the rpm which was old | 18:02 |
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| walokra | well, changed the db code to always check the db (differently), and now it works | 18:07 |
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| Turski | what should i have installed on device to build projects directly on it? | 19:19 |
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| Stskeeps | well as a start i wouldn't really recommend for it | 19:20 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | Turski: that is a good question | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | but if you really would like to, you should do it against a chroot | 19:21 |
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| AL13N_jolla_ | Stskeeps: my thoughts too | 19:21 |
| Turski | jolla-development-tools ? | 19:21 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | Stskeeps: is there an easy command ti get a schroot? | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | mic it | 19:22 |
| Turski | Stskeeps: oh, why? | 19:22 |
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| Stskeeps | Turski: you'll very quickly hit the gles headers fun and accidentially wipe out your booting device | 19:22 |
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| Turski | O_o | 19:22 |
| Turski | ok, maybe i don't try it then | 19:23 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | Stskeeps: what's mic? | 19:23 |
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| Stskeeps | AL13N_jolla_: meego image creatort | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | takes kickstart file, makes file system | 19:23 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | ah nice | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | or chroot | 19:24 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | Stskeeps: you have a minimal kiscjstart? | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | just make one up, like, gcc, glibc-devel, etc.. | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | and the repos | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | people did it for n950 with whole O | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | S | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:25 |
| Turski | maybe i'm doing my on-device qml experimenting with just qmlscene then | 19:25 |
| Acce | Turski: if you want only qml | 19:25 |
| Acce | you can get qmlscene on the device | 19:25 |
| Acce | oh you just said it :D | 19:26 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | Acce: Turski that's what I did | 19:26 |
| Acce | yeah I do it occasionally too | 19:26 |
| Turski | qtcreator is unusable for that because of 20 second delay on getting changes to run on device | 19:26 |
| Acce | well, you can always just copy the changed qml only | 19:27 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | Stskeeps: mageia has urpmi --urpmi-root | 19:27 |
| Acce | and start it via ssh / icon | 19:27 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | is there something similar? | 19:27 |
| Turski | and i don't like qtcreator anyway | 19:28 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | it installs repo on empty dir | 19:28 |
| Acce | only thing I like about ide's is autocomplete | 19:28 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | then you just install task-basesystem | 19:28 |
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| AL13N_jolla_ | there is a basesystem rpm | 19:31 |
| Turski | Acce: same here | 19:31 |
| Turski | Acce: and even it is a bit annoying | 19:32 |
| AL13N_jolla_ | pkcon used zipper as backend right? | 19:32 |
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| AL13N | Stskeeps: zypper has a --root option | 19:43 |
| AL13N | and with ar, i could potentially set up the repositories | 19:43 |
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| coderus | AL13N: pkcon use Package Kit :) | 19:48 |
| AL13N | well, yes, but package kit has a backend | 19:48 |
| AL13N | coderus: correct me if i'm wrong | 19:49 |
| coderus | packagekit is a backend :) | 19:49 |
| coderus | zypper is application | 19:49 |
| coderus | backend != application | 19:49 |
| coderus | backend not using application :) | 19:49 |
| AL13N | packagekit doesn't handle anything on it's own | 19:52 |
| AL13N | it can't use librpm as a backend | 19:52 |
| AL13N | it needs something in between... | 19:52 |
| AL13N | afaik libzypp was used for jolla? | 19:52 |
| AL13N | no? | 19:52 |
| AL13N | coderus: am i wrong? | 19:52 |
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| coderus | AL13N: right, PackageKit-zypp is backend for packagekit, but not zypper itself :) | 19:54 |
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| AL13N | yes... but you knew what i meant | 19:56 |
| AL13N | you're just arguing semantics | 19:56 |
| AL13N | still, i couldn't find any root option for packagekit directly | 19:56 |
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| coderus | AL13N: packagekit is dbu service | 20:01 |
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| coderus | dbus* | 20:01 |
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| coderus | pkcon just cli tool accessing dbus service | 20:02 |
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| AL13N | coderus: ok | 20:10 |
| AL13N | coderus: any idea what kind of authentication is required for the jolla repositories? | 20:10 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: ^^ | 20:10 |
| AL13N | i tried with my jolla store credentials, but no deal as of yet... | 20:10 |
| coderus | AL13N: what repos? | 20:11 |
| coderus | store? | 20:11 |
| AL13N | ssu lr | 20:11 |
| AL13N | coderus: those give a list of repositories | 20:11 |
| AL13N | i'm trying to add these to a chroot | 20:12 |
| AL13N | but i need some kind of credentials | 20:12 |
| coderus | you need ssu for credentials | 20:12 |
| AL13N | well, yes, but ssu doesn't have a --root option :-) | 20:13 |
| AL13N | maybe it's some kind of OTP setup | 20:13 |
| AL13N | anyone know? | 20:14 |
| coderus | well i ha ve no idea what are you doing | 20:14 |
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| coderus | but i can chroot to sailfish and use zypper/ssu | 20:15 |
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| AL13N | coderus: how are you doing it? | 20:15 |
| AL13N | zypper --root /chroot/base ssu ar https//.../ name ? | 20:15 |
| AL13N | something like that? | 20:15 |
| AL13N | coderus: i want to install a chroot for building apps on my phone | 20:16 |
| AL13N | so that i don't destroy the phone, but i can still do stuff on it | 20:16 |
| coderus | mount -o bind /proc /sailfish/proc | 20:16 |
| coderus | mount -o bind /sys /sailfish/sys | 20:16 |
| coderus | mount -o bind /dev /sailfish/dev | 20:16 |
| coderus | /usr/sbin/chroot /sailfish | 20:16 |
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| AL13N | coderus: well, yes, but the /sailfish dir needs to be populated with something, right :-)? | 20:18 |
| AL13N | atm, i have an empty directory yet | 20:18 |
| coderus | its *rootstrap* | 20:18 |
| coderus | clone / and clean | 20:19 |
| AL13N | oh | 20:19 |
| AL13N | you just snapshot the / on the phone | 20:19 |
| coderus | yup | 20:20 |
| AL13N | well, i wanted something smaller | 20:20 |
| AL13N | on Mageia (i'm a mageia packager), i just do | 20:20 |
| AL13N | urpmi.addmedia --urpmi-root /chroot/base http://media..../ && urpmi --urpmi-root /chroot/base basesystem urpmi vim rpm-build | 20:21 |
| AL13N | and i have a clean chroot to build stuff from | 20:21 |
| AL13N | coderus: atm, i'm stuck here: https://together.jolla.com/question/26605/how-to-install-a-chroot-for-building-apps/ | 20:22 |
| AL13N | because of the authentication | 20:22 |
| AL13N | i thought it would just be username/pass | 20:22 |
| AL13N | but i'm guessing this is what the oauth2 is for :-) | 20:22 |
| coderus | there is some backend | 20:22 |
| coderus | in libraries | 20:22 |
| coderus | let me reboot to check chroot | 20:23 |
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| AL13N | ok, i'll bbiab | 20:25 |
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| coderus | ah, its libssu | 20:26 |
| Normal | Hi there. | 20:26 |
| coderus | can be used instead of dbus | 20:26 |
| coderus | Normal: | 20:26 |
| Normal | coderus: Hi. | 20:28 |
| AL13N | back | 20:29 |
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| Normal | I'm interested in how Sailfish mounts rootfs and specifically, if the command 'btrfs device scan' is run before the rootfs is mounted. | 20:30 |
| Aard | Normal: the rootfs is marked as btrfs default volume | 20:31 |
| AL13N | coderus: how can i use it instead of dbus? you mean libssu handles the authentication part of the repositories? | 20:31 |
| Stskeeps | AL13N: no need for that repo | 20:31 |
| Aard | Normal: the other volumes are mounted by their names (see in /etc/fstab) | 20:32 |
| AL13N | Stskeeps: which ones? | 20:32 |
| coderus | AL13N: it handles ssu :) | 20:32 |
| AL13N | coderus: well, that seems logical :-) | 20:32 |
| Normal | Aard: what I'm hoping to do is is add my SD card as a volume to rootfs and thus extend the filesystem. | 20:32 |
| Aard | AL13N: what's the ssu question? can't find it in backlog on first glance | 20:33 |
| AL13N | Aard: https://together.jolla.com/question/26605/how-to-install-a-chroot-for-building-apps/ | 20:33 |
| AL13N | i wanted to add repositories to an empty dir | 20:33 |
| AL13N | in order to initialize a clean chroot for building purposes | 20:34 |
| AL13N | on my phone | 20:34 |
| Normal | Aard: According to the folks at #btrfs that's possible but when you reboot the OS needs to do 'btrfs device scan' first. | 20:34 |
| AL13N | there's auth on the repositories and it's not the store credentials | 20:34 |
| Aard | Normal: it _might_ work by just adding the sd card to the btrfs pool (initialization of the sd-card should happen early enough), and extending the volume. however, you'll get into big trouble if the sd-card dies or gets removed, plus you'll notice speed differences between accessing parts on the mmc and the sd-card | 20:35 |
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| AL13N | Aard: would mirroring work? | 20:35 |
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| Aard | AL13N: there's auth on _some_ repositories, not all -- the core OS is on repos without auth. for the ones where there is auth, it's an oauth token received via the store client as password, and your username as username | 20:36 |
| AL13N | thanks | 20:37 |
| Aard | check /etc/zypp/credentials.d/store for the current value | 20:37 |
| AL13N | Aard: ah, i thought i'd use the token from account.jolla.com | 20:38 |
| Aard | you can try, no idea if it works | 20:38 |
| AL13N | hmm, it's the same token | 20:39 |
| coderus | AL13N: no | 20:39 |
| Aard | I didn't do the oauth bits, I just rely on the store client to give me what I need :) | 20:39 |
| coderus | it can't be account :) | 20:39 |
| coderus | common repos working w/o auth | 20:39 |
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| Normal | Aard: At this point I'm working minimizing the mights that appear in sentences related to this topic. Hence the question about the 'btrsf device scan'. The issue of loosing the SD card somehow is a risk I've considered. I have to admit to being a little confused, root. swap and home all mount the same partition. Apologies for going on a bit... | 20:49 |
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| Aard | Normal: it's one filesystem containing several volumes. they just mount different volumes | 20:51 |
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| Aard | Normal: we use basically this setup, with the exception that we set the root-volume as default volume to avoid knowing the right one when mounting it. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/btrfs | 20:52 |
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| AL13N | Aard: basically, i copied over /etc/zypp ... that was alot easier | 20:57 |
| AL13N | it's installing the chroot now | 20:57 |
| AL13N | we'll see if the /etc/zypp might conflict somewhere | 20:57 |
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| M4rtinK | I guess swap is on a separate partition ? | 20:58 |
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| AL13N | no, i don't think so | 20:58 |
| Aard | M4rtinK: yes | 20:58 |
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| M4rtinK | just asking because of https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/FAQ#Does_btrfs_support_swap_files.3F | 20:59 |
| AL13N | Aard: what's the /swap then? | 20:59 |
| AL13N | (though i did see /proc/swap actually uses a different partition) | 21:00 |
| achipa | w00t: on a side, isn't it a bit double standards to disallow QtWidget et al dependencies, in the context of other people having legacy code, just like yourself? | 21:00 |
| M4rtinK | I think just one of the bunch of partitions the device has | 21:00 |
| Aard | AL13N: leftover from playing with swapfiles on btrfs. as it's a subvolume it does not take any space, so we didn't bother removing it | 21:01 |
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| AL13N | Aard: ok, that's fine | 21:01 |
| M4rtinK | and what about the recovery image ? is it also a btrfs subvolume or is it outside ? | 21:01 |
| AL13N | it's a subvolume | 21:01 |
| achipa | (without the desire to flame, just wanting to understand why it's so important to seal those off NOW, and not just mark them as not available for SailfishOS version XYZ which will drop QtWidgets) | 21:01 |
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| AL13N | the fun part is that the real / and /home are actually snapshots from the factory reset / and /home | 21:01 |
| M4rtinK | so I guess no good to save a busted BTRFS ? ;) | 21:02 |
| M4rtinK | makes btrfs over emmc & uSD that more crazy :) | 21:02 |
| AL13N | the fun part is that btrfs doesn't get corrupted | 21:02 |
| Aard | M4rtinK: no, if the btrfs is dead the phone will become a care case | 21:03 |
| AL13N | if there's bad hardware, the chksum fails though | 21:03 |
| Aard | M4rtinK: you can use the recovery mode to create backups of your device which you can later copy back in recovery mode, though. :) | 21:03 |
| M4rtinK | if you stretch it over two physical devices, and one of them is a "very reliable" uSD card... :) | 21:03 |
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| M4rtinK | Aard: if you have a recovery mode :) | 21:04 |
| AL13N | Aard: yes, a btrfs mirror on µSD | 21:04 |
| AL13N | that should be possible, right? | 21:04 |
| M4rtinK | that's a good question | 21:04 |
| Aard | M4rtinK: I assume that people doing crazy stuff update to the latest software version :) | 21:04 |
| M4rtinK | does it try to boot from uSD ? | 21:04 |
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| Aard | AL13N: in theory, yes, but you wouldn't be able to boot from the sd card -> you're still screwed if th eemmc fails | 21:05 |
| AL13N | it wouldn't need to, the btrfs device scan would include it | 21:05 |
| M4rtinK | that might be an nice workaround to the lack of images | 21:05 |
| AL13N | Aard: that's likely, but you still have backup :-) | 21:05 |
| M4rtinK | for low level development, like making Nemo run on the Jolla | 21:05 |
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| M4rtinK | & related stuff | 21:06 |
| AL13N | M4rtinK: for that, you should use chroots | 21:06 |
| AL13N | https://together.jolla.com/question/26605/how-to-install-a-chroot-for-building-apps/ | 21:06 |
| Aard | AL13N: you can do tars from the built in rescue mode. or you can unlock the bootloader, and use the rescue kernel someone in community made and dd stuff to sd-card | 21:06 |
| AL13N | i'm testing that right now | 21:06 |
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| Aard | second option would easily allow you to 'flash' damaged partitions back | 21:06 |
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| AL13N | Aard: but if the MCC fails, you wouldn't get the rescue mode, right? | 21:06 |
| M4rtinK | AL13N: the default on the N900 was just to boot Nemo and other stuff from the uSD card | 21:07 |
| Aard | AL13N: if the emmc fails your device is a care case, hardware damage :p | 21:07 |
| AL13N | good point | 21:07 |
| M4rtinK | AL13N: lot closer to real deployment than a chroot | 21:07 |
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| Aard | AL13N: it would guard you against breaking the btrfs, though | 21:07 |
| AL13N | M4rtinK: but, this way i can still use my phone | 21:07 |
| M4rtinK | so it won't even try to boot from uSD if emmc is totally busted ? | 21:07 |
| AL13N | Aard: true, that... it seems i'll need a µSD soon-ish | 21:07 |
| M4rtinK | just asking :) | 21:07 |
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| Aard | AL13N: good choice. we'll have better support for sd-card soonish as well ;) | 21:08 |
| M4rtinK | AL13N: sure, chroot should be enough for a lot of stuff :) | 21:08 |
| AL13N | Aard: well, if i'm just using it as btrfs mirror, then i don't need the sd-card support :-) | 21:08 |
| AL13N | but if the µSD is bigger, i might store my development chroots on it | 21:09 |
| AL13N | anyone know if MMC or µSD is faster? | 21:09 |
| AL13N | i assume µSD is slower | 21:09 |
| Aard | I'm constantly running out of space on my phone :/ I'm used to a 64gb n9 (which was full all the time as well) | 21:09 |
| AL13N | Aard: use more btrfs snapshots :-) | 21:09 |
| M4rtinK | btw, found some speedtests for emmc/uSD: https://t.co/rg1iRMdr2A | 21:10 |
| AL13N | Aard: also, something for coming versions... if possible, i'd advise you to mark the factory reset subvolumes as read-only | 21:10 |
| AL13N | that might save space | 21:10 |
| M4rtinK | Aard: that's why I already have a 64 GB uSD :) | 21:10 |
| M4rtinK | Aard: regarding better SD card support, doing it properly might be kinda hard | 21:11 |
| M4rtinK | Aard: so any plans to start a discussion about it so people can submit ideas how to do it ? :) | 21:12 |
| Aard | M4rtinK: 'properly'? | 21:12 |
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| M4rtinK | Aard: what folders you can expect to be on the card, what about the XDG data folder if car is/in not there | 21:13 |
| AL13N | M4rtinK: i would assume the µSD would be used for data only | 21:13 |
| M4rtinK | Aard: checking if card is inserted, card hotswap (is that supported ?), etc. | 21:13 |
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| AL13N | btw: i read SIM hotswap wouldn't be supported, but i still unplugged sim and replugged and typed in pin and i was ok | 21:14 |
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| M4rtinK | AL13N: sure, but do we want to have some common hierarchy on it or just a free-for-all | 21:14 |
| AL13N | M4rtinK: think MTP :-( | 21:14 |
| Aard | M4rtinK: well-written software uses xdg-variables, so it should be just a matter of changing the users xdg folder configuration for xdg directories | 21:15 |
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| AL13N | besides, i assume the tracker would take care of the µSD | 21:15 |
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| M4rtinK | like redirecting the XDG data path to sdcard automatically if it is inserted ? | 21:15 |
| AL13N | anyway, RL calls: chores :-( | 21:15 |
| Aard | M4rtinK: checking if card is inserted and hotswap is already working, though we don't support writing to the card yet ;) | 21:16 |
| M4rtinK | AL13N: tracker already scans the card for music | 21:16 |
| Aard | AL13N: sim hotswap is not supported because we can't guarantee it to work reliable. it still works in most cases, though. | 21:16 |
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| Aard | M4rtinK: on sd-card, no hierarchy is enforced (intentionally) -- whole sd-card gets indexed. in home we only index a handful of folders | 21:17 |
| AL13N | chroot seems to work, btw | 21:17 |
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| M4rtinK | Aard: that sounds reasonable | 21:18 |
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| AL13N | btw: when i get my buildsystem running... first i'll try a static build of vlc :-) | 21:18 |
| M4rtinK | bah, try Qt :) | 21:18 |
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| Normal | Aard: Thanks, a fair amount to study. | 21:22 |
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| AL13N | M4rtinK: qt is longer, but that's not the point... i want to play my NFS movies!!! | 21:23 |
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| AL13N | i mean my movies on my NAS | 21:24 |
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| M4rtinK | AL13N: well, I wonder if it would be able to make use of hardware acceleration when built like this | 21:25 |
| AL13N | maybe with the gles backend? | 21:26 |
| AL13N | well, we'll see what happens | 21:27 |
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| Normal | Aard: If/when I add my SD card, assuming I 'brick' my phone what way back is there? | 21:31 |
| Aard | Normal: if you break the btrfs, send it to us for having it reflashed (you'd pay for it, though, as you'd have broken it yourself). so before you play: make sure you have 1.0.3.8 installed. unlock your bootloader. create dd-images of all partitions to a spare sd-card (search tmo, there are instructions for that somewhere) | 21:32 |
| AL13N | hmm | 21:33 |
| AL13N | btrfs snapshot send/receive | 21:33 |
| Aard | AL13N: I'd go for dd, there you know you can't mess it up | 21:34 |
| AL13N | oh crap, no send/receive support... kernel too old | 21:35 |
| AL13N | or maybe ... | 21:35 |
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| M4rtinK | I wonder if there is someone using iSCSI on a mobile device... | 21:38 |
| tbr | 'because you can' | 21:40 |
| Aard | M4rtinK: I toyed with it a while back, after I had an iSCSI box at home because some software I was using only properly supported iSCSI as network storage | 21:42 |
| AL13N | lol | 21:42 |
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| M4rtinK | you can due some pretty crazy stuff with iSCSI & co :) | 21:43 |
| M4rtinK | and add to it LVM thin provisioning, bcache, XFS... :) | 21:44 |
| AL13N | Aard: so, what package did you need to build apps? | 21:44 |
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| Aard | AL13N: ? | 21:45 |
| AL13N | Aard: i now have a chroot with rpm-build on it | 21:45 |
| AL13N | but is there a sort of build-essentials package | 21:45 |
| AL13N | or task-build-jolla-app | 21:46 |
| AL13N | or whatnot? | 21:46 |
| Aard | M4rtinK: I don't remember exactly what I originally did. I think it was something like evaluating some software in a vm requring ms-sql, and putting the storage for that on iSCSI. was years ago | 21:46 |
| Aard | AL13N: list the patterns, there might be a pattern | 21:46 |
| Aard | if not, just install gcc/g++ and whatever devel packages you need | 21:46 |
| AL13N | Aard: pattern? | 21:46 |
| AL13N | you mean "build" ? | 21:47 |
| M4rtinK | Aard: interesting :) | 21:47 |
| Aard | AL13N: patterns, installable via zypper | 21:47 |
| Aard | zypper pt | 21:48 |
| AL13N | ah | 21:48 |
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| AL13N | btw: anyone know of a wgetpaste command equivalent? | 21:52 |
| AL13N | something you can pipe stuff to and it makes a online link? | 21:53 |
| AL13N | Aard: http://pastebin.com/Pc9sd8Gv <-- what do you think? the sailfish-development or sdk-target? or silica-devel ? | 21:54 |
| Normal | Aard: Yeah, this I have to agree, this can only be a I break it, I pay for it philosophy (Any idea of the costs <excluding P&P>). As for creating a dd-image is it possible to run dd from a remote host like my PC? as if I were re-flashing the phone... For that fact, can I re-flash the phone from a image on my PC? | 21:55 |
| Aard | AL13N: just try :) probably silica-devel and sailfish-development should give you a good selection | 21:55 |
| AL13N | heh | 21:56 |
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| AL13N | Normal: mount NFS :-) | 21:57 |
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| AL13N | ok, i'm off to sleep, got to work tomorrow... | 21:57 |
| AL13N | and this time, i'll get to make some private workarounds in a kernel device driver... joy | 21:57 |
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| Aard | Normal: generally, yes, but I'm not sure if there are ready made images available. if not, you'd have to do an image yourself which would be a kernel with initramfs expertorting all mmc-partitions as block devices via usb | 21:58 |
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| Normal | Aard: You make that sound so easy... | 22:05 |
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| Normal | Aard: I've got a lot to think about. Thank you. I think I'll have to come back soon, after I've done a bit more reading on the matter of backing up my phone. This link < http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1399188&postcount=40 > already suggests a possible method to reflash the phone from a disc image. | 22:25 |
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| Normal | Aard: On a broader, note. What I'd really like to achieve, is to add my SD card a volume for extending and holding user data, installed apps, emails, documents, music, videos etc. Perhaps if there was an effective way to narrow the scope of the volume add. Then this would reduce the risk to the core system? Food for thought. | 22:29 |
| Normal | I'm going to call it a night. | 22:30 |
| Aard | Normal: you can already copy music/videos there from pc. additional use will be enabled at some point in updates | 22:30 |
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| Normal | Aard, the idea is to provide seamless contiguous filesystem. So for example I don't have my email living somewhere off /home/nemo/ and my music collection living off /some/path/to/my/SD Card/Music | 22:33 |
| Aard | Normal: yes, I understand that, though it might be a lot less risky and still acceptable when done nicely with separate filesystems | 22:34 |
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| Teun_ | sd card would at least be the mist logical place for .vault backup files | 22:35 |
| Aard | Teun_: is being worked on | 22:35 |
| Teun_ | aard: that's good to know | 22:36 |
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| Normal | Aard: I think we've breached the level of my ignorance, sorry. But when you say separate filesystems, what exactly do you mean. I have been thinking of this like when you mount a physic drive on a mount point and you get all the capacity of that drive from that point in your fs tree, except that any files which already exist at the mount point remain visible. I appreciate that's probably a crude, erroneous over simplif | 22:42 |
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| Aard | Normal: keeping sd-card and mmc separate, and just store all pictures on sd-card, for example | 22:43 |
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| Normal | Aard: Yes, but is it possible to do that and abstract the fs across the two physical devices? | 22:45 |
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| Aard | the btrfs-bit you said would do that, but has the risk of bricking your device if th esd-card breaks | 22:45 |
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| Normal | Aard: That is true, but that just makes the SD-card one more potential point of failure in one large system. There are lots of system critical components and btrfs is design with an element of robustness. | 22:49 |
| M4rtinK | well, consumer grade uSD cards are known for their stellar reliability... | 22:52 |
| M4rtinK | no wonder considering the price, buggy controllers, etc. | 22:53 |
| M4rtinK | I wouldn't trust that to not brick my device... | 22:53 |
| M4rtinK | well, if there was at least some way to easily reflash | 22:54 |
| M4rtinK | + doing incremental backups every day, that might make it less crazy :) | 22:55 |
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| Normal | M4rtink: Which is why I'm doing research first. I have a lot to learn. If I had a btrfs spare drive (or perhaps disc image), I'd take snapshots regularly :) | 22:56 |
| Normal | Now I have to call it a night. I have a lot to think about. Thank you. | 22:57 |
| M4rtinK | good night! :) | 22:57 |
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| achipa | what's the "acceptable" C++ way of figuring out the display resolution? (and no, I'm not going to hard-code it :) | 23:23 |
| Aard | achipa: there's a dbus-call to make a screenshot in the compositor. then you open the created png, and count the pixels? | 23:25 |
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| w00t | achipa: QScreen? | 23:41 |
| Aard | hrm. or that. | 23:41 |
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| Abby20 | I give you some pictures. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 23:45 |
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| Abby26 | I give you some pictures. I hope you like! http://bit.do/my_videos69 | 23:54 |
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| achipa | Aard: w00t: yes, QScreen is what I want, thx! | 23:56 |
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