Sunday, 2014-02-09

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Guest31580how can i install linux on my mobile?06:17
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tbrGuest31580: if it runs Android, then it already runs a Linux kernel07:02
tbrGuest31580: and if you want to run sailfish, check if it is supported by cyanogenmod 10.107:03
vesurivsor buy a jolla ;)07:05
tbrthat's the easy option07:06
Guest31580joll ais very expensive07:08
Guest31580jolla is*07:09
tbrthey recently had a 40€ discount07:14
stephgends today infact07:19
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Guest1373how can i install jolla?08:24
Guest1373ooops not jolla sailfish;)08:25
Guest1373jolla is bit expensive08:25
tbr07:03:02< tbr> Guest31580: and if you want to run sailfish, check if it is supported by cyanogenmod 10.108:27
tbrthen there is a chance to run sailfish on it in the future08:27
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Almehdinateofÿdhwtw udgh08:48
stephgthat's what she said!08:49
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SefHello, last time I had a jolla problem (the landscape mode during december) here was one person that said he /she was from Keuruu09:07
Sefstill someone from near Keuruu09:07
SefThis time my jolla is in a boot loop and it run out of battery, I was wondering if I could loan another battery in order to reboot it while pressing volume down09:08
Sefnow it only starts with usb cable connected and then I am only able to get in fastboot mode09:09
Sefit refuses to recharge the battery in looping mode and also in fastboot mode09:09
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SefI use the phone as my work phone, so wouldn't like to be without it for many days (Jolla Care will take some time)09:10
phaeronSef: did you try removing the battery for 10 minutes09:10
Sefhmm.. for 10 minutes I didn't09:11
Seffor some seconds I have tried many times09:11
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SefI just took it out09:11
Sefis there a some smaller battery that can live for 10 minutes?09:12
Sefwith out the real battery?09:12
Sefsome condensator09:12
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Sefphaeron: What should be the difference after 10 min of waiting?09:17
phaeronSef: just something I remember reading on together...09:17
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stephgSef there's a power bug they're looking at but if you get random reboots or in a boot loop, pulling the battery out for a few minutes seems to work09:19
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artemma_phonetrying irc for sailfishos, side menus are awesone! @venemo, @jpnurmi, thanks!09:36
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Skorpyworks great with irssiproxy too09:37
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SefI tried to take battery out two times for about 15 minutes. First time it helped a bit: the phone actually started without usb, but for 3 seconds. I was pressing volume down. Then it turned the screen black and nothing happened after that10:03
Sefsecond time it didn't boot at all without usb cable10:04
SefIt seems that I have to report this to care and wait for long time to get phone back10:04
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JonniSef: you are you pressing volume down, as that will only boot to fastbootmode when usb is connected and recovery if not. It only boots to UI if you dont press the volume down?10:12
Jonniif its really empty battery and device doesnt want to charge it, then you might want to try external chargers.10:12
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SefJonni: You got it! I was originally stupid to let the battery drain before knowing the volume down trick10:24
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Sefnow I cannot go to recovery because there is no juice in battery10:25
SefJonni: is there a neat way to recharge littlebit without the phone?10:26
SefI think that would solve this problem10:26
SpeedEvilThese typically do actually work10:28
JonniIm using nokia dt-33 to charge it externally.10:29
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Jonnibut that kind of universal charger should do the trick too10:30
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slatemh, sorry.10:47
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crevetorStskeeps: any plans on replacing the libhybris wrapper for the opengl part with freedreno at some point ?10:55
walokrais there a way to emulate landscape mode in sdk?10:55
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Morpogyou could start the emulator in landscape mode11:00
Morpogchange it'S resolution11:01
Morpognot sure what happens though :)11:01
satmdsince 3 hours, my jolla keeps ringing the alarm clock again and again11:02
Morpogsearch on google for custom resolution11:02
satmddoes it ever stop on its own?11:02
Morpoghave you dismised the alarm?11:02
satmdI'd expect it to give up eventually11:02
walokraMorpog: thanks11:02
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ln-satmd: i kind of like the fact that it doesn't give up... even though it is harder to sleep while it's alarming.11:04
Morpogyeah, alarm clocks that gave up have made me miss several appointments11:06
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satmdWell, right now, I still win over the alarming :P11:06
satmdfor 3 hours11:06
satmdbut I need coffee, I give up11:07
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Sefanybody from Keuruu here?11:30
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HartziI'm from keuruu but I dont live there anymore11:47
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HartziSef: why you're asking?11:49
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SefHartzi: I have a problem with my jolla phone having empty battery and reboot loop12:06
Sefso if I could have another battery I could reboot to recovery mode and from there fix my phone12:06
SefSo I was wondering if you were in Keuruu and would have lent me your battery for 5 minutes12:07
slateI've revived some flat battery with giving a jolt directly from a +5V charger. Some seconds are usually enough. Not the right way to do it, but has worked.12:09
slateIf you end up exploding your house, dont blame me.12:10
slateYou can also kill your battery. Or some cells.12:10
tbrthe 'right' way is to apply 4V and 100mA for a while (in case of a single cell)12:10
korjust use another phone's battery12:10
kori've "jump started" (connected just like two car batteries) a n90012:11
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tbror go straight for an external charger12:11
korjust connected some random samsung battery's terminals over the bl-5j12:11
tbrsure, there is going to be balancing current, so don't do that for too long12:12
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SpeedEvilIf you're doing that sort of thing - stripping a USB lead, and charging using TOH connector is probably more sane12:16
Sefhmm, two batteries giving jolt to each other I haven't tried12:17
SefSpeedEvil: what does stripping usb lead mean?12:17
SpeedEvilSef: Take a normal USB lead, cut off the device end to get the red and black 5V and 0V wires.12:18
SpeedEvilConnect these to the appropriate pins on TOH12:18
slateSpeedEvil: how does that differ from inserting power from microusb?12:18
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SpeedEvilI was assumign that for some reason it wasn't charging overUSB12:19
SpeedEvilIf it is - then do that12:19
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Sefyep, its not charging with the usb cable12:20
slateI was thinking the battery is dead flat12:20
slatebtw, old nokia batteries have the same pinout also12:21
SpeedEvilLeave it for 5 hours or so.12:21
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Stskeepscrevetor: long story short our ref kit comes with support/licenses/etc and other offerings from the soc vendor; so we piggyback on having that support available12:46
Stskeepscrevetor: if people want to switch to freedreno or llvmpipe, they can, but may break other functionality12:46
Acceanyone who could help me with importing qml c++ plugins?12:47
AcceI tried to recreate the example from the documentation, but I cannot get the import right12:47
Acceit says that the path of current file is in the import search path; does that mean the root qml file's path?12:48
Acceand if my qmldir file is like: module something.out.there plugin myplugin, should I have directory structure something/out/there12:49
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Accein the search path12:50
Accethe qmldir file is supposed to be where? in the root of the imports path?12:51
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SvioxHow can I get a C++ handle to the currently shown page of a QQuickView so I could connect a QML signal sent by the page?13:02
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prometoyshi, i tried partly recovery (browser, messages, contact, phone), but it recovered my accounts, too. now i got a sync error in mail13:38
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prometoysdid anybody had this problem too?13:39
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prometoysand can you help me to post this correctly on
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prometoyshow i can debug the mail app?13:45
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stephgyou need developer mode enabled13:46
stephgit's possible to start it via the terminal and it'll give some debugging output13:47
prometoysah, cool13:47
prometoys(actually I just realized I asked here and not in #jollamobile, sorry)13:47
prometoysstephg, how do I start it from the terminal and do I need special parameters?13:49
stephgthe UI is started just as /usr/bin/jolla-email13:50
stephgbut I think you need to look at messageserver5 too13:51
stephgalso there's a config file that has log levels in it13:51
stephgbut I don't remember where it is13:51
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prometoysfun fact: i killed messageserver5 and started it in the terminal, then it worked again13:53
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prometoysthanks for the link13:54
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artemmaFatal error: Failed to cache rpm database (1).14:02
artemmathat's during RPM installation from creator14:02
artemmasome DB got corrupted? How to fix?14:03
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Stskeepson device?14:05
artemmaStskeeps: yes14:06
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BearTi have my own list model in c++ and that works fine. if i want to sort that data from qml is the recommended way to hand QSortFilterProxyModels to Qml or simply adding some Q_INVOKABLE functions to my own model? anyone knows some open src (ie. readable) code that sorts stuff from qml I could look at?14:09
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artemmaBearT: lately I used QSortFilterProxyModel, worked fine. Easy to use if your models has fields you want to sort on (mine had a single field that contained objects for technical reasons)14:15
artemmaBearT: and if your models are small, you can construct a proxy model right in QML. I used it in the past when source model data was coming from XmlHttpRequest (and hence was already in QML, I didn't want to sort it with a cpp object)14:16
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Acceanyone know which package holds qmlplugindump? or how do I search for a file with pkcon?14:17
BearTartemma: actually i fail to see how to sort the proxy model from qml. there's just the sortRole property that can be accessed from qml (and has some sort* in the name). but what's the index i need to give?14:18
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artemmaBearT: I was just creating a separate ListModel in QML and updating it whenever source model was changing14:19
artemmaMy DB was, however, just a few dozens on lines, changing very rarely - currency conversion rates coming from european central bank14:20
artemmaso performance and memory use didn't matter at all14:20
BearTartemma: so as you referring to memory I assume you sorted the model by hand in javascript?14:21
artemmaBearT: yes14:21
artemmaactually, thinking about it now, probably I could use a sort proxy model for it too, but those times I wan't very familiar with cpp side of the models14:22
BearTartemma: ah, i see, thanks. this might actually be an option and since sorting is only UI related it'd be ok to have that in qml.14:23
BearTbtw. I'm coming from the opposite direction. I'd love to do as much as possible in C++, because I feel much more confident in that area. ;-)14:23
artemmawell, I the proxy model is not that complex as well, just try it :)14:24
BearTI'm doing currently, but as I said. I fail to actually sort  it from qml without adding my own Q_INVOKABLEs which I could also do in my own list model, so there would be no need to use the proxy.14:25
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BearTI just recognized none of the property setters are virtual, so probably that's why i don't get anything in my code. so i guess I either use the qt proxy model or override it completely.14:31
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Accedoes someone know where the lockscreen qml files are located?15:31
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tbrI suspect that is part of the homescreen15:38
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Accelipstick stuff?15:40
Acceaand lipstick was one of the closed parts?15:40
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tbrthere's no 'closed' if it's QML15:40
Acceyeah, but find /usr/ -name *[Hh]ome* doesn't give anything good :/ wonder how it's named15:41
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Accenemomobile/lipstick has some stuff15:43
Accenot a simple qml file.. too bad15:44
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Acceok, next try: the events feed page15:47
Accebetter luck :)15:48
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Accehmm actually no better luck >< was able to find the twitter & facebook stuff, but not how they're added to the events page16:10
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Venemo_jAcce: what exactly are you looking for?16:13
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AcceI want to add something like that text input for twitter / fb updates to my event page16:14
Acceit probably has a lot to do with the lipstick, but not sure16:17
Acceeither there or in the lockscreen pulley16:18
Venemo_jwhat is “that text input for twitter”?16:19
Accebetween the notifications and twitter & facebook feed buttons16:19
Venemo_jyou mean you want to put notifications on the event view?16:19
Acceno, I mean I want to add another text field there16:20
Accewith my custom functionality16:20
Accegoing through nemomobiles github now, but I'm not very used to read code like this..16:21
Accetime to get used to it I guess16:21
Venemo_jnot sure what it is16:21
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Venemo_jtry asking on the mailing list16:21
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javispedroAcce: I suspect all of that is hidden inside the /usr/bin/lipstick jolla blob16:27
AcceI'm suspecting that too, but still trying to find something16:27
javispedroe.g. function postStatusUpdate(message)  inside lipstick's qrc16:28
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javispedroAcce: var component = Qt.createComponent(Qt.resolvedUrl("file:///usr/share/lipstick/eventfeed/" + element.account.providerName + "-update.qml"))16:30
AcceI guess modifying and imitating the files in /usr/share/lipstick/eventfeed might do it16:30
javispedroEventFeedAccountGrid is the one that seems to implement enumerating the "providers"16:31
javispedroseems to be C++ though, but unsure.16:31
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Accewhere did you find that line of code?16:31
Acceit's in there, in the qrc?16:32
Acceok I didn't know the qrc stuff is stored plaintext in the binary16:32
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Acceyep, here they are! thanks!16:33
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SefI was the one with bootloop and dead battery16:34
Seffixed it :)16:34
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SefI took battery from my Nokia 1112 (
Sefwith a knife took some plastic out of the corner of the battery -> got it to fit inside Jolla. Voltage and orientation of +,0 and - where the same16:37
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Sefwith duck tape got it to stay in and what do you know.. Jolla started running with this battery16:37
AcceSef: nice job16:37
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Sefafter that I was able to go into recovery mode and use the option 516:37
Sefwith telbnet16:38
SefThanks for all of you for help!16:38
kimmoliis that BL5C battery!16:40
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javispedroso it won't charge with fully dead battery? that's bad16:40
Stskeepsjavispedro: it should, from everything i know16:40
Stskeepsbut never tempt fate16:40
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* javispedro just had to recently "tempt fate" on an hp touchpad, and found that yes, it does 100mA charge with fully dead battery16:41
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javispedro(at 100mA, it will take hours just to get it to boot)16:41
fk_lxjavispedro: hi :-)16:41
Sefit didn't charge because of boot loop, after I got around that using other battery it started to charge the dead battery just ok16:42
fk_lxI mean, hola! :-016:42
javispedrofk_lx: hehe :)16:43
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javispedroSef: oh, I see16:43
javispedro... but it should be able to charge if you boot it to recovery?16:44
Venemo_jhey javispedro16:44
Sefjavispedro: I wasn't able to get it in the recovery because the battery was so dead16:45
Sefwith usb cable connected it doesn't go into recovery16:46
Sefit goes to fastboot mode16:46
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Sefin there it didn't charge :(16:46
javispedrooh :P16:46
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Sefso it was a bit problematic situation: phone was in bootloop with dead battery. In order to fix the boot loop I had to go to recovery which wasn't possible without battery16:47
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Sefluckily I had a battery from good old Nokia 1112 which was almost right, only had to take out one of its plastic corners to fit it in Jolla16:48
javispedroif you had unlocked bootloader you could also have tried to boot any kernel16:48
Stskeepsbtw, did anybody actually try the unlock functionality yet?16:48
javispedroit worked here16:48
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Stskeepsthere was a deafening silence when we fixed the small issue, so16:49
javispedroI suspect all of us bastards who wanted it where already using the older bootloader ;P16:50
fk_lxStskeeps: silence either means everything is ok or that everything is totally wrong and everybody lost hope for improvement, so no sense in complaining16:50
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javispedrofk_lx: hah, indeed.16:50
Yanielwhat was the key combination for that again?16:51
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javispedrovolume down16:51
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Yanielis it supposed to just wait at the Jolla logo screen when booting while holding volume down? :D16:52
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Yanieluntil what?16:54
javispedromaybe some graphics would be nice there, dunno if they'd fit in the recoveryfs space.16:54
Accehmm, how do I act when enter key is pressed in a textField?16:55
javispedroYaniel: what are you trying to do? recovery or fastboot?16:55
Yanieljust checking out how this thing works16:55
javispedroso I suspect recovery..16:55
javispedroYaniel: if it's stuck on the Jolla logo, now just plug it in, telnet .. hmm16:56
YanielI assumed I'd end up with something BIOS/UEFI-like16:56
javispedro(speaking of the devil =) )16:56
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Yanielokay other way, how do I get it out of this to boot normally?16:57
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javispedroone way is to get into it via telnet16:57
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Morpog_PCyaniel, I just removed the battery :D17:00
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Yanielno response on
Yanielbut responded17:01
Yanielah, nice17:02
YanielI can live with this :D17:02
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evkQtFeedback not allowed in harbour?17:29
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Acceis there a guide on how to copy dynamic qml plugins with the rpm?17:36
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coderuswhat repos in emulator i can get wget and libconfig-devel?19:52
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TheBootrooBig news !19:53
TheBootrooFeedly client submitted to harbour !19:53
tbryou can use curl instead of wget19:53
tbrthat's already on the device19:53
coderustbr: i dont need alternative19:54
Yanielwhat's wrong with curl19:55
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coderusi need wget and libconfig-devel okay?19:57
coderusno help? okay then :D19:58
Yanielnot in mer-tools it seems19:58
Yanielnor chum19:58
coderuswhat about libconfig-devel?19:58
Yanielnoting under that name19:59
Yanielsomething wget shows up in a OBS search20:00
coderuscan replace wget, but not libconfig-devel :)20:02
Yanielbuild it on OBS20:02
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tbr - easy enough to rebuild that against the sailfish target20:02
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coderusi like you guys :D20:03
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tbr - but will be some work to rip out the tex dependencies20:04
motiejushello. I`m trying to run a SilicaGridView example: qtcreator is unhappy about "invalid property name 'fruit' (M16)" on every 'fruit' there. what am I doing wrong?20:04
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motiejuscompiler warns:   p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }  [W] unknown:38 - file:///usr/share/proj2/qml/pages/FirstPage.qml:38:9: ListElement: cannot contain nested elements   \n\n   p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }               ListItem { fruit: "jackfruit" }20:04
motiejusI figured the best way to solve the problem is by dumping the details and kindly asking. :) I would appreciate an answer from someone with knowledge. I basically took the "hello sailors" example and replaced the code with the one from url above.20:05
Accemotiejus: could you please put it to e.g. and give a link, so it would be easier to read?20:07
motiejus@acce sure. the compile output?20:07
Acceyes, and your code, or is it exact copy-paste from the link you gave?20:08
motiejusit is exact copy-paste. putting the output to pastebin.20:08
vgradecoderus: tbr
tbrvgrade: same package/source it seems?20:09
vgradehas docbuild define to remove tex?20:10
Accemotiejus: try changing the ListItems to ListElements20:10
tbrah, because it lists it still as a build dependency :)20:11
tbraaah, it's ifdefd20:11
tbrsorry, missed that bit20:11
motiejus@Acce works!20:11
tbrcoderus: so, just copypac that one and rebuild against sailfish20:12
Accemotiejus: it's a mistake in the reference then, ListItem is used for delegates20:12
motiejus@Acce where should I read more about this so I don't shoot in the dark?20:13
motiejusQML documentation?20:13
motiejusnow it feels like shooting in the dark, not really pleasant. :)20:13
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motiejusis there a QLM tutorial/something, which explains the main concepts and building blocks?20:14
motiejussailfish site has a nice reference, but it requires some background20:14
Accemotiejus: well most of the reference is intact. If you're a beginner with qml (and the model delegate stuff)20:14
Accetry the general qml docs20:14
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Accethis for example could be good read20:15
motiejus@Acce thanks20:15
motiejusI`ll try putting a native QML application first, on my desktop. then port it to Sailfish20:16
motiejus(it's a simple app anyway)20:16
Accenp :) on another note, if you use @ in IRC, the person doesn't get highlighted message20:16
motiejusthanks, the link is exactly what I`m looking for.20:16
motiejusAcce: what about colon?20:16
Accenick: is good20:16
motiejusthanks for the note. :)20:16
motiejusok, I`m off for some nice reading. talk to you alter20:17
Accegood luck!20:17
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ibinsis anyone trying  to get LaTeX to work on SailfisOS?20:26
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* Stskeeps cries20:29
* tbr lols20:29
stephgwhy do you cry Stskeeps20:30
tbrbecause he spent lots of time ripping it out20:30
stephgoh LateX?20:30
tbrlots of packages depend on it for documentation20:30
tbrwhich is not really what you want for an embedded distro20:30
ibinsno good deed stays unpunished :-)20:31
Yanielnext: someone ports cabal to sailfish20:31
tbrthere is already emacs...20:31
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tbrpfff, you beat me to it!20:36
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AcceI wouldn't mind latex editor on the device, running it is easy to do somewhere else anyways20:40
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coderusvgrade: i486 pleaes20:43
coderusits build depend :)20:44
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MatokingSo, how hard is it to get your app approved on Harbour?20:53
MatokingFiletug uses some workarounds that could get it rejected20:54
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AcceMatoking: if you don't install stuff in weird places + ship your unsupported libraries, shouldn't be too hard20:56
MatokingI'll give it a shot when I'm done with some of the current issues then :)20:57
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MatokingWhat about installing Python modules?20:59
MatokingI guess that isn't OK by their rules21:00
coderusvgrade: thank you21:00
coderusjust built Telegram CLI21:00
M4rtinK2Matoking: well, I think you would have to bundle them21:01
M4rtinK2provided you target Harbour21:01
MatokingI don't have much experience about Python to be honest21:01
vgradecoderus: no probs, OBS does the work21:01
M4rtinK2but mid-term you might be able to get them to Mer/Nemo to be included in base distro21:02
MatokingJust thought of porting an application by adding a Silica based GUI on top of it21:02
M4rtinK2Matoking: you should be able to easily import Python modules from an arbitrary folder21:02
M4rtinK2just add it to Python path ad you are set21:02
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ln-Should one BackgroundItem contain only one component?21:35
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AL13N_jollai assume any item may contain more elements?21:37
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ln-Dunno. I'm trying to grasp why should one use BackgroundItem rather than not using it.21:38
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Acceln-: backgroundItem has some nice stuff like touch effects built in21:48
AL13N_jollaAcce: i thought backgrounditem was lightweight?21:51
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AcceAL13N_jolla: lightweight? what do you mean22:03
Accewell, compared to ListItem it has less built-in stuff22:03
AL13N_jollaAcce: I'm not sure, but I thought that the website said that22:04
AL13N_jollathe one with the reference stuff22:04
Accecurrently it says, among a lot of other stuff, that "The BackgroundItem type provides a Sailfish-styled background Item. It provides a default item height and press highlighting behavior. Items that respond to pressing/tapping should use BackgroundItem where possible."22:05
AL13N_jollaI thought the listitem page said that the backgrounditem was more lightweight22:07
AL13N_jollawell I'm nit sure22:07
Accewell it certainly is more lightweight than a listitem22:08
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Accebecause listitem adds contextmenu and remorseitem etc22:08
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AL13N_jolla_AL13N_jolla_: Acce: do you think backgrounditem would be allowed in a listview?22:16
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AL13N_jollaAcce: still here?22:25
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Venemohey AL13N_jolla :)22:35
AcceAL13N_jolla: I'm here22:37
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AL13N_jollaVenemo: hi22:49
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VenemoAL13N_jolla: haven't had the chance to say this yet, but it was nice meeting you at fosdem :)22:50
AL13N_jollaAcce: so, do you think backgrounditem would be allowed in a listview?22:50
AL13N_jollaVenemo: likewise22:50
AL13N_jollaVenemo: I'm using your IRC client right now.22:51
VenemoAL13N_jolla: you like it?22:51
VenemoAL13N_jolla: thanks :)22:52
AL13N_jollaneeds an easy / and command completion22:52
AL13N_jollachannel and nickname input dont need dictionary22:53
AL13N_jollaand possibility to have smaller font maybe22:54
AL13N_jollagreat stuff though22:54
AL13N_jollaVenemo: alot of functionality22:55
AL13N_jollait's fairly complete22:55
AcceAL13N_jolla: yes, it's ok for a listview delegate22:57
AL13N_jollaVenemo: maybe the / can be on the right of the input22:57
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VenemoAL13N_jolla: actually it has command completion22:57
Acceif it's not needed to have long press context menu22:57
AL13N_jollaAcce: then there's the reason :-)22:58
AL13N_jollaVenemo: damn!22:58
VenemoAL13N_jolla: type /j and hit the autocomplete button22:59
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AL13N_jollaVenemo: you think of everything22:59
VenemoAL13N_jolla: actually, this was jpnurmi's achievement, not mine :)22:59
Venemowould be unfair for me to take credit23:00
AL13N_jollaone more thing: smiley button, but it should be in the regular keyb23:00
Venemoman, don't ask for impossible things ;)23:01
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AL13N_jollaVenemo: I'm still impressed,  though23:01
Venemothank you AL13N_jolla :) it means a lot to me!23:02
AL13N_jollaVenemo: the smiley button should be in maaliit itself23:02
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AL13N_jollaVenemo: it doesn't feel like a first version23:03
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AL13N_jollaanyway, i need some sleep, so I'll ttyl8r23:05
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