Saturday, 2014-02-08

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joonahoithp: any idea if python3.3 distributed by mer-tools to be used with pyotherside will be built with ssl any time soon?08:07
joonahoii have been developing locally against the self compiled version of 3.3 from github that you (or elleo) linked me to previously08:08
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joonahoithp: oh, python3-base seems to be in jolla repo now. no ssl still though :/09:16
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Waiteecoderus: after the last update mitäkuuluu gets disconnected randomly and doesnt reconnect unless i reboot the phone10:02
Waiteeapparently after it has disconnected and i try to close the app it crashes and fails to reopen10:03
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SefMy Jolla phone got into boot loop. I managed to get it into fastboot mode but now I am unable to telnet into it10:32
StskeepsSef: what OS are you on?10:34
Stskeepsand version of the device OS10:34
Sefthe latest10:34
SefI have mac, windows 7 and ubuntu10:35
Sefcouldn't telnet with any of those10:35
Stskeepsokay, do the following:10:35
Sefjolla has naamankajärvi10:36
Stskeepschoose the ubuntu one i guess, it's not a virtual machine right?10:36
Sefnope. Normal pc running in my home10:37
Stskeepstake out usb cable from device, take out battery from device, put battery back in, hold volume down and power on the device, then plug in USB cable to the ubuntu machine10:37
Stskeepswait a bit, it should say network connection notification or something like that10:37
Stskeepsand then telnet
Stskeepsif it says fastboot mode, that's wrong :)10:37
SefI have done that, but ubuntu doesn't find the device10:37
Sefwhat should it say?10:38
Stskeepsnothing, just stuck at a jolla logo practically10:38
Sefthe fastboot mode is the only one I can get it to stay with10:39
Sefwhen I take battery out and put it back, it tries to boot the second the battery is in10:39
Stskeepsokay, sec10:39
Sefthen after 3-5 seconds it shuts down, red led blinking and it boots again10:40
Stskeepstake battery out, hold down volume down and put in battery, if it doesn't come on, press power button again10:40
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SefMy battery is low so it doesn't start without a cable10:42
Sefalso it doesn't charge the battery at all10:43
SefNow when I got it to boot with volume down pressed it went into fastboot mode again10:45
Sefit has jolla logo in the middle and fastboot mode with small text in the upper left corner10:45
Stskeepsokay, i'm not entirely sure you're doing exactly what i'm saying :)10:47
ko__hm. my phone went overnight from 78% to dead10:48
ko__all i've had is very high battery consumption since the update10:48
ko__nothing running.10:48
Stskeepsdo exactly this: take out the usb cable from the device, take out the battery from the device, hold "volume down" and "power button" until it shows anything on the screen, then plug in usb cable10:48
Stskeeps-> sef10:49
SefStskeeps: my battery is dead so without the usb cable nothing happens10:50
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Stskeepsdid you try it?10:51
SefStskeeps: just took the usb cable out, battery out, pressed volume down and power buttons, kept pressed and installed battery10:51
Sefnothing happens because the battery is dead10:51
Stskeepsokay, grab a usb charger and let it loop a bit on the red led blinking10:52
Stskeepsnot a laptop, but the usb charger10:52
SefI tried that for 2 hours10:52
Sefwith the charger10:52
Sefdidn't recharge at all10:52
Stskeepson fastboot, or on looping10:52
Seflooping I tried for 2 gours10:53
Sefin fastboot I tried only 15 min10:53
Sefto recharge10:53
SefI try to recharge a bit more10:54
Sef(girl friend forces me to eat now)10:54
Sefshould it recharge in fastboot mode?10:57
Sefor is it better to recharge when looping10:57
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Stskeepsit should recharge in fastboot mode, i think10:58
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SefStskeeps: it doesn't recharge11:22
Sefor anyways cannot start it without usb cable11:23
Stskeepsokay, sounds like you need to send it to service11:23
Stskeepscontact jolla care at care@jolla.com11:23
Sefwhen in fastboot mode it should after some time have red led indicating that it has dhcp server running11:24
Seffor me the led never goes red11:24
cos-i had a strange bug yesterday. the device flooded "Unable to connect" message in top of the screen and i wasn't able to select a wlan connection in settings11:24
cos-the location was underground (poor cell reception) and with wlan11:25
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lainwir3dcos-: already had that bug I think11:35
lainwir3dfirst time I used the device. Went back to normal after a reboot11:36
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coderusWaitee: last?11:51
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Waiteecoderus: yeah11:51
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coderusWaitee: thats not last one ;)11:59
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Waiteeapparently :D12:00
mikmastskeeps: calm down Slartibartfast12:04
Waiteewhat was his planet called again?12:06
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Waiteeoh yea12:09
Waiteethat's the wrong slartibartfast though12:09
Waiteethe new film sucks :P12:10
mikmait's a cliffhanger :(12:10
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mikmakinda needs the rest of the books to follow12:10
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Waiteethe film does only relate to the original book :P12:10
Waiteeif you read the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy you'll find the new film lacks most of the clever jokes and has replaced them with very lame american ones12:11
Waiteeclever british jokes*12:12
Waiteecoderus: btw started working after the update :D12:13
mikmathe fact that the demolisherchief at the beginning is not sitting in the mud is a bad thing :(12:13
EztranI'm not sure Adams' humour really translated well to film.12:13
EztranActually, that said, it worked fine in radio, so...12:13
WaiteeEztran: have you seen the first film?12:13
EztranMmm, though not for ages.12:13
Waiteeworked well there imo12:13
Waiteeit was so dissapointing to see that instead of clever talking to get the demolisher chief lay in the mud instead ford just gave the workers some beer12:14
mikmawaitee: exactly12:15
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Waiteeit's a nice film if you havent read the book though12:16
Waiteebut since it should be the same story with artistic freedom for the director of course12:16
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Waiteekapsi dropping12:17
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FireFlyWas there a first film?13:42
FireFlyI'm only aware of a TV series and a relatively new film13:42
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SvioxI'm trying to setup initialPage attribute of ApplicationWindow so that it will check an attribute of a C++ object, i.e. initialPage: nativeObj.prop === "x" ? (pageX) : (pageY). However, I get a syntax error when substituting pageX/pageY with "Component{ PageX{} }" - apparently this can't be done for syntaxed QML content. ApplicationWindow documentation states that also "url of a Page-type14:29
Svioxcomponent" is valid content - I've tried Qt.resolvedUrl("PageX.qml") with no luck. Any advice?14:29
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pegeI can't see Sailfish OS project in the Qt creator, any ideas?16:06
pegeit used to work before but after re-installing it's not there16:06
situDoes Sailfish OS support LTE now ?16:11
Yanieltechnically yes16:12
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tbrsitu: not yet but soon16:32
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genjixhow can i create a new plugin in qtcreator? i want to access c++ in jolla's qml16:54
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fk_lxgenjix: there is a good article on Qt Project website about QML and C++ integration, I would advise you to start from there17:08
SvioxIs there any Silica components for tabs or any advice on how to do them?17:09
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fk_lxSviox: there are no tabs, but you can put stuff on separate pages or go Tweetian way17:13
fk_lxSviox: nothing stops you from making custom own tabs ;-)17:14
SvioxThat's a bit restricting, but guess I'll have to learn to live with it17:16
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genjixfk_lx, thanks17:20
genjixhow can i use websockets in qml on jolla?17:21
Nicd-genjix: google websockets qml, there's a library for it but I don't know how well it works17:22
Nicd-personally I would do socket stuff on the C++ side17:22
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genjixNicd-, so i have to make a qml c++ plugin right?17:26
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Nicd-genjix: if you want to do it on the C++ side then yes, though I'm not really sure about what you mean with "plugin"17:28
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genjixNicd-, QML Extension17:31
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Yanielor just a bunch of C++ code with signals to QML?17:32
Nicd-I don't know about QML extensions, signals & slots is how I would probably do it17:32
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genjixahh wicked17:33
genjixok saves me a bunch of effort17:33
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bnvkSo, total BALLPARK guestimation- how difficult / many hours of work is it to make a new UI theme for Sailfish (like Glacier is trying to do) ?17:46
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genjixNicd-, so the qml would emit a signal, which in c++ is connected to my qobject?17:46
genjixhow do i connect a signal with qml then if i don't have the object reference?17:47
Nicd-sorry, I don't know about connecting signals and slots with QML since I haven't done that yet17:48
Nicd-I've only called C++ functions from QML17:48
tbrbnvk: glacier is building a whole UI, that's hundreds if not thousands of man-hours17:48
bnvktbr: ah, ok... thanks ;)17:48
genjixahh ok17:49
genjixNicd-, how did you do that?17:49
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bnvktbr: is there a less time intensive method of making a simple skin?17:49
genjixahh using Q_INVOKABLE17:49
tbrbnvk: you could probably take silica and start tweaking it17:50
Nicd-genjix: -- take a look at qml/harbour-sailtime.qml and src/harbour-sailtime.cpp17:50
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bnvktbr: cool, is there any simple docs you could point me to if I were so inspired?17:50
Eztranbnvk: it's worth noting that glacier itself is intending to be somewhat skinnable.17:50
tbrbnvk: not really17:51
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genjixthank you Nicd- that helps a lot17:52
bnvkEztran: tbr: gotcha, interesting! I wonder what the experience will be like. I'm a bit bothered by some of the UX / UI of Silica17:52
bnvki'd love to take a stab at tweaking & polishing things :)17:53
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EztranCould even help 'em develop it if that's your kinda thing.17:54
bnvkUI / UX is my main thing but also web engineering (php, js, python) not sure how quickly i'd take to Qt / C++ stuff :o17:56
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pegeany idea why Qt Creator doesn't show Sailfish OS when I'm trying to create a new project?17:56
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genjix"Project ERROR: Could not connect to MerSDK Virtual Machine. No private key file given."18:01
genjixi have the vm and everything, and it works inside qt creator18:02
genjixhow can i build from command line? i don't like that huge ide18:02
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BearTgenjix: I don't know if that is your problem too, but I had to reinstall the whole sdk yesterday just because of the same error message. it seemed to be a problem with the file sharing and the vm could not read the key (or any other file) properly and thus i couldn't log in. unfortunately the only thing that worked, was deleting the sdk and reinstalling it.18:13
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genjixBearT, i like to understand my build system tools so i'm investigating this18:19
genjixi might just end up using qtcreator as a compiler18:19
walokraanyone done oauth2 in sailfishos app? how to keep the client_secret & access/refresh_tokens secure?18:19
Sfiet_Konstantinwalokra: what I do is to put them into a Qt plugin that I load in runtime18:23
Sfiet_Konstantinhidden in a source point of view18:24
Sfiet_Konstantinbut it do not prevent someone to intercept calls from QML18:24
walokrayeah, figures. i'm not worried about source code view18:25
Sfiet_Konstantinwalokra: then use a QML plugin and do calls in c++ only18:26
Sfiet_Konstantinonly present results in QML18:26
walokrahow about storing access_tokens between app restarts? localstorage?18:26
Sfiet_Konstantinwalokra: well, I'm using a ini file and storing in plain text18:26
Sfiet_Konstantinthis is not safe18:26
Sfiet_Konstantinyou might need to encrypt it and store it either with localstorage, or simply in ini file (QSettings)18:27
walokrathat's what I'm thinking, how I should do it "safely"18:27
Sfiet_KonstantinI don't know18:27
Morpog_Anyone can help me? I'm trying to build Tweetian RPM with SDK. i486 works fine, but armv7hl fails with this error:18:27
Morpog_C:\Users\Stephan\Documents\GitHub\Tweetian\src\thumbnailcacher.cpp:72: Warnung:unused parameter 'imageObj' [-Wunused-parameter]18:27
BearTMorpog_: this is a warning, not an error18:28
Morpog_but it doesn't build the RPM :(18:28
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BearTMorpog_: I don't think rpm builds have a zero warning policy. anyway, if you just delete the imageObj name from your function, the warning goes away, ie. someFunc(const Image &/*imageObj*/)18:29
Morpog_actually, now as we speak it did build it, lol18:29
BearTMorpog_: ok, maybe it was not ready creating the rpm when you last checked, but the build finished before.18:30
Morpog_thx anyway18:30
walokrahmm, as the access_token is anyways needed to be sent plain text to api, there's no use to encrypt it18:30
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Morpog_lets see how my tweetian changes feel on device :D18:30
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tortoisedocdoes anyone know if there is a similar interface as MApplicationService in Sailfish?18:33
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tortoisedocI guess it does not yet exist18:42
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coderustortoisedoc: what the purpose of it?19:38
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tortoisedoccoderus : service app with ui included19:44
tortoisedoc(ofc I could solve with own dbus intf)19:44
tortoisedoc(but before doing so I wanted to make sure)19:45
Jonniwalokra: well nothing is totally secure, but I would suggess you to encrypt it with openssl if you need encyption on tokens.19:45
walokraimgur api is https and as how it works, i think there's nothing more to it19:48
tortoisedocwalokra: https is pretty secure as long as noone can get ahold of the private key19:53
tortoisedoc(of the server)19:53
coderustortoisedoc:make your own :)19:54
tortoisedoccoderus: yeah figured, was just wondering if together with MDesktop they took also MApplicationService :) but of course that would have meant MApplication too :)19:54
tortoisedoc(most likely)19:54
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walokratortoisedoc: yeah, the protocal is but just wondering if I should/could do something about the api keys/tokens on the clinet19:55
Jonniusually I just do simple encrypt and hope that nobody reverse engineers the key, atleast it will protect against simple string searchers19:56
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walokrastring searchers from device's localstorage?19:58
walokrait might be worth to encrypt the tokens in storage although you have to decrypt them anyways for the api use19:58
Jonniyep, although there are are no known malware which would abuse their read access, but you sleep better in night19:59
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Jonniheh, that reminds me that I should encrypt api key from one of my harbour apps...20:01
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walokracan the app code easily be extracted?20:04
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Yanielplain QML & JS files yes20:05
Yanielstuff from qrc is trickier20:05
Yanieland c++ is well, binary20:05
walokrayeah, just remembered I have done it myself also20:06
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Nicd-hello internet buddy!20:21
stephg_jheh, cool app venemo20:22
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stephgand now back at my computer20:43
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tortoisedocJonni: do you know if by chance in latest nemo-transfer-engine the debug logging is disabled?20:50
tortoisedocit used to work back in build 24 (or 25)20:51
tortoisedocbut not in the latest one it seems20:51
Jonnisorry no idea, havent played with that20:51
tortoisedocany suggestion who to ask?20:51
Jonnitortoisedoc: looking from commit history, you find zchydem in this channel :)20:54
tortoisedocJonni : d'oh didnt rememer commit history! Thanks :)20:54
tortoisedoczchydem : ping20:54
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tanghusStskeeps: watching your talk from FOSDEM. I like your style; - you've even developed a Finnish accent :D21:15
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Nicd-rally english?21:19
tanghussmth like that, but I prefer it to Danish accent :)21:20
tanghusBeing Danish myself21:21
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tortoisedoccomparing the two versions of nemo-transfer-engine does not show any changes in debug info handling21:42
tortoisedocperhaps it is somewhere else then21:43
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tortoisedochmm how to namespace plugin ressources?21:54
tortoisedoc(as in qrc:)21:55
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tortoisedoci wonder22:03
tortoisedoc TwitterShareServiceStatus::signInParameters:25 - virtual bool TwitterShareServiceStatus::signInParameters(SignInParameters*) const No valid OAuth2 keys found22:03
tortoisedocdoes this have something to do with my transfer-engine being not fully what it used to be?22:03
tortoisedocbtw twitter was added by me as an account22:04
tortoisedocbut is not in the list22:04
tortoisedocand my facebook account is still missing :/22:04
Stskeepstanghus: well, living in poland rather accent22:15
tanghusStskeeps: probably that, but sounds very similar :)22:16
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Svioxtortoisedoc: have same problem as you, lacking MApplicationService that is. Porting app from Harmattan that used to have multiple processes and the automatic service setup included really helped.22:24
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tortoisedocSviox: I believe the issue is just that sailfishos does not have the feature yet. Perhaps in future it should be available22:29
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tortoisedoc(it was pretty handy on harmattan)22:30
tortoisedocnow if only i can understand how to namespace qrc: entries in plugins :)(22:33
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tortoisedocI will be the happiest man around22:33
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Svioxheh, good luck with that22:35
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