Saturday, 2014-03-01

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Isabella29 Here some videos. I hope you like them!
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Kate30 Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like!
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katy30 Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like!
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tanghusStskeeps: we need some banning here ;)05:17
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Mae24 Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like!
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Barbara29 You can find funny videos here.
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kempeAnyone knows of a nice example of loading listelements from localstorage?09:03
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Shin_NeMeSiSHi !09:33
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Tiffany18 Hi! I give you some videos. I hope you like!
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tortoisedochas anyone encountered problems when debugging on emulator?10:12
tortoisedoci.e. debugging won't start=10:12
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AL13Nsorry, not using an emulator, i'm developing on-device10:12
tortoisedocAL13N : I would too if it would work :D10:13
Nightmare__i have the same problem, but i never tried to fix it, here is sometinh on together.jolla:
tortoisedoci believe it makes sense trying to get my own merssh tool10:16
tortoisedocunless there is an update coming soon, that is :/10:16
tortoisedoc(im on win7 btw)10:16
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tortoisedocas far as I remember10:19
tortoisedocdebugging on emulator was working prior to the latest update10:19
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Shin_NeMeSiSany news about the early adopters android users?10:43
AcceShin_NeMeSiS: if you want beta, you can contact sledges, apparently10:45
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AL13Nwhat was the fast µSD cards again?10:53
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AL13Ni see microSDXC or microSDXC UHS10:54
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SpeedEvilWasn't it sandisk10:58
* SpeedEvil tries to rememebr the variant10:58
celeron55how can i use QML to connect a signal from a C++ singleton object to a function in QML?10:58
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celeron55this again seems to be one of the randomly-impossible-to-figure-out things10:59
SpeedEvil ?11:00
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celeron55now i got it to work11:10
celeron55using the Connections component with target: <singleton name>11:10
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suycoderus: I just saw, cool! Seems a good idea if you fear problems with DMCA takedowns. :-(  You plan to put Mitakuuluu there?11:32
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Emily20 Here some videos. I hope you like them!
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Acceis there a way to render a single qquickitem and it's children into a framebuffer object?12:14
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xnbyaHello, any news on a nexus 5 port?12:57
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tbrxnbya: the nx4 port isn't public yet, so it's pointless to ask13:06
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Stskeeps<mwc mode>we'll be rolling this out during next half year, first to early adoptors and then later on fully to users</mwc>13:09
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tbr(the first one because it means that the adaptation is not going to be open source nor under any friendly license at least until general user rollout)13:21
Stskeepswell, adaptation is one thing, images is another13:23
Stskeepsi consider them seperate13:23
tbrI understannd that there are probably business reasons and all that. Still it makes the open source person in me sad.13:24
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* Stskeeps points to
tbrah, so the stuff is actually there?13:28
tbrthat's nice then13:28
Stskeepsstill some bits missing but it'll come13:28
* satmd looks confused13:28
* tbr hands satmd a chocolate cookie13:29
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satmdactually a good idea13:29
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AL13Ni'm having trouble getting my chroot to work with pkcon13:41
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tortoisedocso is debugging broken in latest sdk upgrade for both emulator & device or only device=14:11
Accetortoisedoc: it doesn't work, is all I know14:13
AcceI also heard it's being worked on14:14
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tortoisedocAcce: doenst work on both device and emulator?14:18
tortoisedocI knew it only did not work on device14:18
tortoisedochmm perhaps I should downgrade14:19
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inffyD] Package::InstallTransactionPkgKit::giveUpOrRetry:220 - void Package::InstallTransactionPkgKit::giveUpOrRetry(const QString&) "could not find package ambience-black"15:06
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inffywhat the hell is that on my log while trying to install the TOH package15:06
zippodoes anyone have any experience with qdeclarativeimageprovider for manipulating images?15:07
inffyactually that happens with any package I try to install15:07
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Accedoes someone know a way to grab qml items into qimages? I need to grab an item that is larger than the qwindow it resides in, so grabWindow is not useful15:23
Accealternatively, does someone know how if it's possible to draw qml items on the Canvas item somehow?15:24
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AL13NAcce: btw: the Qt global object isn't available supposedly in 5.0, or at least it escaped documenation15:42
AL13NAcce: it's only in 4.7 & 4.8... did jolla make the Qt object?15:43
AL13N(for 5.0)15:43
AL13N*5.x ?15:43
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wellumanyone know if I can develop native SailfishOS app that uses camera? I need the viewfinder and ability to take photos. Usage of QtMultimedia and Camera item in QML failed.15:45
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AcceAL13N: it's atleast in Qt 5.1 docs..?15:45
AL13Ni've been looking for ages at the doc15:45
AL13Nif you have a link, plz15:45
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AcceAL13N: yes, actually I haven't found any "real" docs either... just this mention:
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Accewhich says that "arguments" was added to Qt.application in 5.115:47
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AL13Ntypical that the pc i'm testing on has 5.015:48
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AL13Nalso, looking at tagging, it seems they stopped tagging documentation after 4.815:48
AcceI find it very hard to find anything in qt docs15:49
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Accebut I'm probably doing it wrong?15:49
AL13Ni have a similar issue15:50
AL13Nit's more difficult to find something in there, rather than together15:50
AL13N... and that's saying something15:50
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Accesigh, anyways, I don't get it, why is there no simple way to export qml items into images15:51
Accethey should all have some "save" method like the canvas element, damnit15:52
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AL13Nand you can't just have Canvas as parent?15:53
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AcceI can15:53
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Accebut, the save method does only export stuff that has been drawn on the canvas15:53
Accenot it's child items15:53
wellumdo does Camera item in QML work out-of-the-box on SailfishOS?15:54
AL13Ni guess it's not something that's often done15:54
AL13Nwellum: ok-ish, afaik15:54
Acceit would have been perfectly logical to me that the child items are saved too, since they're shown on the screen..15:54
AL13Nwellum: the camera app makes use of it15:54
* SpeedEvil ponders asterisk.15:55
wellumAL13N: I get this [W] CameraBinSession::processBusMessage:912 - CameraBin error: "No common caps"15:55
wellumwhen I try to use Camera or VideoOutput on my QML app15:55
AL13Nmaybe you need those BINFLAGS env variables15:56
AL13NVideoOutput just doesn't work15:56
AL13Ni'd had to change to GStreamerVideoOutput15:56
wellumah, let me try...15:56
AL13Nbtw: anyone know how subtitles gets done on the GStreamerVideoOutput (or VideoOutput)15:56
wellumwhat should I import in order to use that?15:56
AL13NSilica.Media iinm15:57
AL13Nor SailFish.Media15:57
AL13Nsomething like that15:57
AL13Nwellum: you can check how the gallery app does it in their qml files15:57
AL13Nit's in /usr/lib/qt5/qml/ somewhere15:58
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wellumAL13N: so you mean on device or under $HOME/SailfishOS/...15:59
AL13Ni mean on device16:01
AL13Nbut maybe it's in the SDK too16:01
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AL13Ni don't have SDK16:01
wellumI'll check the device imports next. Could not find anything like that on SDK.16:01
AL13Nhow does gstreamer decide the audio stream and subtitle stream???16:01
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AL13Ngoddamnit... video/audio streams isn't as easy16:23
AL13N*audio/subtitle i meant16:23
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AL13Nit's somewhere deep inside gstreamer, so i don't know if qtmultimedia even exports this16:23
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Acceis someone familiar with the qml rendering?16:58
Acceor able to point me to a document that explains how it goes, and where is the rendered stuff stored?16:58
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M4rtinKAcce: do you mean the Qt 5 scenegraph stuff ?17:09
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M4rtinKAcce: maybe this for an overview:
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suyAcce: "stored"?  this might be useful if what you want is knowing about the engine17:34
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Accesuy, M4rtinK thanks!18:00
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tortoisedocanyone got a clue about "Failed to load platform plugin "xcb"."19:50
tortoisedochappens when debuggin on-emulator with gdb19:51
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jake9xxperhaps the platform argument is not transferred correctl?20:04
jake9xxyou do know that gdb debugging is 1312 is broken :/20:04
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Shin_NeMeSiSHi! Anything new?20:20
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Otaconhi there guys20:43
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Guest45338anyone excited about saiflish os on nexus 4??20:44
fk_lxGuest45338: Nexus 4 owners?20:44
Guest45338currently running omniron on the nexus 4, but i want to use sailfish os, it has a more appealing interface, really20:46
avivbyoI own a N4 too20:46
Guest45338Nexus 4 party20:47
avivbyoReally excited! i followed jolla for a long time and it's like a dream come true20:47
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Guest45338for those who are worried about whatsapp service on Sailfish OS, i discovered a native app named Mitkuuluu20:48
Guest45338plus i think it's open source20:48
avivbyoIt is opensource , Mitakuuluu is vert known20:49
Guest45338oh nice20:49
walokrawhat I have understood, mitakuuluu isn't open source as the core isnt' available20:50
Guest45338is there any site/store with only open source apps for Sailfish OS? An f-droid equivalent i mean20:50
avivbyoI know there is a github with only open source apps20:51
avivbyoThis one i think20:51
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Guest45338cool, thanks20:51
walokrathat repo is missing a bunch of os apps20:54
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Guest45338no news about when are they realeasing the port for the nexus ??21:00
avivbyoI guess it will be released somehere in Early-Mid March21:04
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avivbyoBecause someone told me that the phones at MWC (All of them including the N4 SG4 and the MI2) used Sailfish that update should be released in a few days so....21:05
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Turskii think android-device ports were supposed to be coming on Q221:07
Turskino source here, i just think i read so somewhere21:07
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avivbyoHeard is should be out somewhere between , but i asked sledges about the Early adopting thingy , anyone who signup get it before21:08
avivbyoBetween Q1-Q221:09
Turskibetween Q1 and Q2?21:09
Turskithere's no between, it's Q1 or Q221:10
Stskeepsearly adaptors will get it first, goal is to general users before H1 ends21:10
Guest45338i think early adopters would leak the firmware21:10
TurskiStskeeps: btw, can you confirm me the battery problems will be gone on next update?21:10
StskeepsGuest45338: probably21:11
Stskeepsbut leaked firmware carries another aspect which is that it's understood that it can be buggy21:11
Stskeepswhich is the difference21:11
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StskeepsTurski: if it's okay i don't want to confirm anything officially until you find that it fixes your particular issue21:12
Guest45338yeah, right21:12
Stskeepsand it's a way of saying 'may eat your children' if it's not posted as something fully productized21:12
TurskiStskeeps: well, i mean more like do you think it should be fixed?21:12
StskeepsTurski: as there's always a chance the problem you're having isn't exactly is related to what's fixed :P21:13
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avivbyoActually the only issue i heard of about the MWC Sailfish-Running-Android phones is the camera (not working)21:13
Stskeepssorry for giving you a roundabout answer on that, there's always a chance that it's not exactly the problem you're having :)21:13
TurskiStskeeps: so, at least you said that something related to some battery problems is fixed :P21:14
Stskeepsavivbyo: and a few other things, yes21:14
Turski(or was that only theoretical talking)21:14
avivbyoStskeeps: heard thats the most noticable issue , although i will probably multiboot android & sailfish at start21:15
Stskeepsbut anyway, we'll gather a community of early adoptors and get the kinks ironed out21:16
avivbyoyeah that's a smart move21:17
Guest45338that would be easy. I see a lot of people caring about the release of Sailfish OS21:17
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avivbyoIm trying to gather an Israeli Sailfish community so far i have around twenty people :) (been only 2 hours)21:18
Stskeepsbut anyway since we're talking, what do you expect to work on it to use it as a daily device?21:18
Stskeepsfrom hw pov21:18
avivbyoCamera , GPS , Data (GSM CALLS SMS), WIFI21:19
Stskeepsto nod your head in agreement21:20
avivbyoOh haha21:20
Guest45338i don't carea bout GPS, camera or bluetooth21:20
Guest45338ofr me as a daily device i want data and wifi21:21
avivbyoI care about GPS only because i run using Nike+21:21
Stskeepshow about android apps compatibility..?21:22
Guest45338that would be cool, but not necessary for me since there is already an app for whatsapp service (Mitakuuluu)21:23
avivbyoUmmm , Instagram is important for many also Vine ... (Although im currently creating a native instagram client21:24
avivbyoFacebook might be also an issue if messed up , but i really hope Nike Running app will work21:24
walokraavivbyo: with upload? revenge engineering the api?21:24
walokrajjukkis or someone is doing native instagram also for sailfishos, instafish21:25
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avivbyowalokra: instagram is sort of "giving away" the API.21:25
avivbyoI thought to call mine Fishagram lol21:26
Guest45338i like using Facebook from the browser, don't know if you can do the same with instagram21:26
Guest45338i dont use it21:26
walokraavivbyo: giving away, how?21:26
avivbyoit's not everything21:27
avivbyoi took a few things from there , but a few things are a bit of a hack :)21:27
walokrayeah, the media part is missing21:27
avivbyoBut im getting closer , i made the picture of people im following show up21:28
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avivbyoBut im aiming for a sort of a mini-browsing experince with the cover feature...21:29
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avivbyoAlso my computer is barely running the SDK so i really want and need that "Early Adopter" release :X21:31
Stskeepsnexus 4 right?21:31
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avivbyobtw this is the current icon for "Fishagram" the font is Billabong for those who interested21:51
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kkruglovAnother nexus 4 user with custom rom here ;)22:37
kkruglovowner of n900 and n9 in old times22:37
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pp_believe amd get jolla as soon as they give you the possibility to give your money to!22:50
pp_(pretty much close to, here)22:50
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tehbriSo excited about new sailfish release. could i get in on early adopters for N4 pls?23:02
Dev-auxtehbri: Maybe sledges knows more about this :)23:04
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bobofosho123Hello everyone, I'm interested in joining any beta/alpha testing for Sailfish on the Nexus 4.23:24
bobofosho123I read in a forum thread on XDA to come here.23:24
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Dev-auxbobofosho123: sledges knows more :)23:27
bobofosho123Should I DM him/her?23:27
Dev-auxYou can try. He won't bite23:28
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* sledges bites23:28
sledgesonce :)23:29
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aivot-onO hi guys, I'm completely newbie to sailfish development... And linux development aswell. I have strong background in web-development though, mind you share your resources to sailfish development?23:30
aivot-onSeriously, the sdk I downloaded doesn't give out too much23:32
Yanielaivot-on: QML is pretty similar to HTML523:33
walokraaivot-on: read some sailfishos projects from github, check the example etc. and experiment23:33
Yanieland you use it with JavaScript anyway so in that sense it should not be a big step23:33
walokraqml is pretty easy and you can use javascript for the actions23:33
Yanielwhat gets a bit more complicated is when you need to package your app so it can be accepted to harbour23:34
walokrasdk has the component gallery example which shows how elements work23:34
Yanielor when you want to use c++23:34
aivot-onWell the harbour isn't the concern right now :) there is still a long way to publishing apps23:35
Yanielstill a thing to keep in mind23:37
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