| G-Ray | thanks ;) | 00:01 |
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| G-Ray | sledges: How can I install warehouse RPM from CLI ? | 00:06 |
| sledges | G-Ray: rpm -i | 00:06 |
| G-Ray | I was close :) | 00:07 |
| G-Ray | sledges: I would like to dl android support app, it doesn't seem to be in openrepos | 00:09 |
| sledges | G-Ray: it won't work on nexus 4 | 00:12 |
| G-Ray | oh no :( Why ? | 00:13 |
| sledges | lots of pieces of puzzle missing etc | 00:13 |
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| NewShewz | Congratulations on the recent release! | 05:01 |
| NewShewz | I got the early adopters email. I've got a zony xperia z that I was going to try and port but it's got an "unlockable" bootloader and nothing has seemed to work so far | 05:02 |
| NewShewz | If anyone has a suggestion I'm all ears. If this phone won't work (It's a broken peice of junk more than a phone) | 05:03 |
| NewShewz | ... | 05:03 |
| NewShewz | then I'd like ot know if someone has a suggestion on what phone I should pick up | 05:03 |
| NewShewz | I was eyeing up a Nexus 5? | 05:03 |
| NewShewz | If I can get CM on it, then it's a hop skip and a jump to SF, no? | 05:04 |
| NewShewz | If the suggestion is a Nexus 4 then that's great too. | 05:06 |
| NewShewz | I downloaded the emulator a while back. It was pretty cool. If your running qt for native apps, can Blackberry Apps be ported? | 05:09 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning | 06:21 |
| lpotter | morning | 06:25 |
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| jussi | morn | 06:34 |
| tbr | moaning | 06:35 |
| jussi | so have I missed anything since yesterday afternoon? | 06:36 |
| tbr | time to rock some sailfish apps and hackamadoodles in Tampere! | 06:36 |
| jussi | tbr: its a beautiful day. why the moaning? :D | 06:36 |
| tbr | jussi: because I'm not awake yet and the caffeine hasn't kicked in. | 06:37 |
| * tbr might be moar approachable once he reaches NewFactory | 06:37 | |
| jussi | btw, does sailfish have a you tube app? | 06:37 |
| Morpog_ | Argh, Antti Saarnio is teasing me on twitter :D | 06:38 |
| jussi | haha | 06:38 |
| Juuba | some kind of Youtube app was in Store | 06:38 |
| Juuba | comments said it lacks landscape support | 06:39 |
| Morpog_ | http://t.co/oMn34mqiGt | 06:39 |
| Juuba | and adding videos to playlists, sharing... etc not supported | 06:39 |
| jussi | Juuba: argh. annoying | 06:39 |
| jussi | also, any way to watch areena? | 06:41 |
| Juuba | i ahve watched youtube videos on browser | 06:42 |
| Juuba | also works with android Youtube app | 06:42 |
| tbr | jussi: I'd expect the areena android client to work, haven't tried it personally | 06:42 |
| jussi | tbr: ahhh for those with android capabilities | 06:43 |
| tbr | given that I've seen html5 implementations of areena for mobile devices, it shouldn't be that hard to come up with a QML version. (Those may or may not have been public, don't remember) | 06:43 |
| jussi | yeah, would be nice. my daughter likes muumi's | 06:45 |
| jussi | :) | 06:45 |
| tbr | who doesn't! | 06:46 |
| jussi | hehe. true that | 06:48 |
| jussi | the beta should be html5, but i get redirected back to normal areena if i try go there | 06:51 |
| jussi | can i change the user agent? | 06:52 |
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| tbr | you should be able to by overriding it in about:config | 06:59 |
| jussi | Toisena uutuutena Sailfish OS -käyttöjärjestelmää eli Jolla-puhelimia varten Areenan Android-sovelluksesta on tarjolla versio Jollan sovelluskaupasta. | 07:03 |
| jussi | at least yle tells us something. ... | 07:04 |
| jussi | Windows-sovelluksen valmistumisen yhteydessä olemme lopettaneet aiemmin m.yle.fi-osoitteessa toimineen mobiili-Areenan version. | 07:04 |
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| coderus | morning | 07:19 |
| coderus | what include for sd_journal_send ? | 07:19 |
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| squidd | why is the rum gone?! _ | 07:23 |
| Stskeeps | and why does your head hurt so bad? | 07:24 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 07:24 |
| squidd | nah, it doesnt :) | 07:24 |
| Sidde | squidd: when the rum is gone. you start with the moonshine | 07:24 |
| squidd | oh noes | 07:25 |
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| coderus | suy: ping | 08:04 |
| coderus | suy: i'm getting segfault when trying to call sd_journal_send | 08:04 |
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| stephg | morning | 08:11 |
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| mailyaseen | msg /sledges Hi Sledges.. how are you? | 08:28 |
| squidd | :O | 08:28 |
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| stephg | so (probably more trivial sleepy things): | 08:32 |
| stephg | http://imgur.com/gbfHYJ8 | 08:33 |
| stephg | receive lots of xmpp whilst it's asleep and it seems to end up displaying them as multiple icons | 08:33 |
| stephg | there should be only one notification there I believe with 13 messages... | 08:34 |
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| schabi_ | I've installed the early adopter version of Sailfish OS on my Nexus 4. These are the things I've noticed: The system seems to be very stable. I did not have any reboots, but some kind of freezes, but they were caused by unworking stuff so no problem. | 09:06 |
| schabi_ | The connection of Facebook and Twitter works good. But there is no Facebook "app". Twitter has got a "timeline" app implemted and I wonderd if facebook has got the same in Sailfish. The connection to the facebook messaging servics works great. You can receive messages and write them as well. I was wondering about notification when the phone is locked. I did not receive any vibration or tone to inform myself about the message. | 09:09 |
| schabi_ | Another thing is the installation of third party apps. This seems to be blocked. Is it intended to be blocked? | 09:11 |
| stephg | schabi_, there is currently no integrated facebook app in Sailfish | 09:11 |
| stephg | you can download 'Friends' from open repos | 09:12 |
| stephg | https://openrepos.net/content/sfietkonstantin/friends-sailfishos | 09:12 |
| stephg | the FB account settings are for notifications/chats and stuff in Sailfish | 09:13 |
| stephg | but there's nothing for 'browsing' notifications, feeds etc. in FB | 09:13 |
| stephg | schabi_, 3rd party apps isn't 'blocked' per-se, you need to install the RPMs yourself, probably by the command line | 09:14 |
| schabi_ | Another thing is the resoultion of the icons in the app drawer. They seem to have a very low resolution. | 09:18 |
| schabi_ | Ive downloaded the .rpm but I can't install it over the UI because it says untrusted software is disabled. | 09:19 |
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| stephg | that's in Settings | 09:19 |
| stephg | Settings>System>Untrusted Software | 09:19 |
| stephg | iirc you should still be able to install it in the terminal with pkcon install-local /path/to/file | 09:20 |
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| Stskeeps | schabi_: good bug reports | 09:24 |
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| schabi_ | And what is the path? Sry for those stupid questions. I've downloaded the rpms over the browser | 09:24 |
| Stskeeps | schabi_: probably in ~/Downloads or similar | 09:25 |
| stephg | probably /home/nemo/Downloads/ | 09:25 |
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| Stskeeps | and it's good questions, not stupid :) | 09:25 |
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| carepack | mornign ;) | 09:27 |
| carepack | morning ;) | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | morn carepack | 09:27 |
| carepack | morn stskeeps. everything fine? | 09:27 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, at a conference currently going to present about sailfishos later on today | 09:28 |
| carepack | oh. where? | 09:28 |
| squidd | :O | 09:28 |
| squidd | work | 09:28 |
| squidd | saturday | 09:28 |
| squidd | omg | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | carepack: somewhere in polish mountains | 09:28 |
| stephg | do share the slides :) | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | squidd: what, it's weekend? | 09:28 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 09:28 |
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| carepack | I think it's not like working. Polish moutains. great view? | 09:29 |
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| Stskeeps | yeah but kinda foggy | 09:29 |
| Stskeeps | and yes, it's a little less stressful than work | 09:29 |
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| squidd | work, stressfull :O | 09:29 |
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| carepack | stskeeps: techincal discussion? promo? | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | general introduction | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | i'm going for a soft talk | 09:31 |
| squidd | Stskeeps: tell them that its the best thing ever! | 09:31 |
| Stskeeps | now now, i have to be objective ;) | 09:32 |
| squidd | that was objective :O | 09:32 |
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| carepack | who are the participants? Pienimäki said: sailfish is the only modern mobile os for phones. and he is right! | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | carepack: kinda generic open source interested people | 09:36 |
| Stskeeps | which of the pienimaki's? :) | 09:36 |
| carepack | tomi is called in the article | 09:37 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 09:37 |
| carepack | http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/gadgets/sailfish-os-von-jolla-gratis-software-soll-alte-handys-modernisieren-a-955715.html | 09:38 |
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| kimmoli | is there a way to open picture from gallery from my non-UI app? (e.g. after ActionInvoked from notification) open gallery and display certain image.. | 09:41 |
| Stskeeps | kimmoli: hmm xdg-open? | 09:41 |
| kimmoli | something like the email opens attachment? | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | kimmoli: if it doesn't exist already, consider opening a together.* thread for it | 09:43 |
| Stskeeps | good starter for something like android intents | 09:43 |
| kimmoli | there should be one. i will seek dat floppy | 09:43 |
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| lbt | kimmoli: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5.1/qtgui/qdesktopservices.html#openUrl | 09:48 |
| lbt | pretty sure that's behind http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qml-qtqml-qt.html#openUrlExternally-method | 09:48 |
| kimmoli | file-browser uses xdg-open , but hmm thanks lbt i'll see that, sounds "simpler" | 09:49 |
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| special | kimmoli: openUrlExternally uses QDesktopServices which uses xdg-open. | 10:03 |
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| kimmoli | include <QtGui/QDesktopServices> but no openUrl there... going to xdg-open way now. tnx | 10:14 |
| * kimmoli leaves to bbq | 10:15 | |
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| coderus | please vote if you like: https://together.jolla.com/question/36836/force-complete-remorse-countdown/ | 10:31 |
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| coderus | kimmoli: QDesktopServices::openUrl(QUrl("/home/nemo/Picures/picture.jpg")); | 10:32 |
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| maxorator | does sailfish implement any additional permissions system on top of the normal unix file rights? | 10:34 |
| Bysmyyr | not (yet) | 10:37 |
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| bentz | hello! | 10:37 |
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| maxorator | I was just wondering really, it isn't really important for me | 10:39 |
| maxorator | although I imagine implementing something for that could be quite tricky | 10:39 |
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| mikma | coderus: "picures" ? :) | 10:42 |
| coderus | maxorator: only api restrictions for privileged group | 10:42 |
| coderus | mikma: what you mean by your question | 10:42 |
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| mikma | coderus: QDesktopServices::openUrl(QUrl("/home/nemo/Picures/picture.jpg")); <- spot the typoooooo | 10:44 |
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| mikma | coderus: unless the software is "picures" by name | 10:45 |
| coderus | mikma: *facepalm* | 10:45 |
| coderus | go walk and relax | 10:46 |
| mikma | no, more coffee! | 10:47 |
| stephg | ha | 10:47 |
| mikma | http://www.themeparkreview.com/forum/files/f.png | 10:47 |
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| kimmoli_sailing | coderus: gives linker error... iirc | 10:54 |
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| leszek | hi | 10:55 |
| kimmoli_sailing | i have no qtqui | 10:59 |
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| Nicd- | so, how should I implement a log-like window where new text appears on the bottom? | 11:04 |
| stephg | cool, HHGTTG is on the radio | 11:04 |
| jussi | people still listen to "radio" ? | 11:04 |
| Nicd- | it should keep the viewport scrolled to the bottom when new text arrives | 11:04 |
| stephg | (and I have to punchdown cables) | 11:04 |
| Nicd- | do I model this with a ListView or something else? | 11:04 |
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| coderus | Nicd-: listview | 11:10 |
| coderus | onCountChanged: positionViewAtEnd() | 11:10 |
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| special | you might have better results using verticalLayoutDirection: ListView.BottomToTop | 11:11 |
| coderus | right | 11:11 |
| coderus | cool idea :) | 11:11 |
| special | but the two expect different order from the model | 11:11 |
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| coderus | too oblivious :) | 11:13 |
| Nicd- | special, coderus: thanks :) | 11:14 |
| Nicd- | I want to make it work like an IRC client so that it doesn't snap to the bottom if you have scrolled up | 11:15 |
| Nicd- | once you scroll to the bottom it will start moving with the output again | 11:15 |
| coderus | onNewItemAdded: if (listView.atYEnd) { positionViewAtEnd() } | 11:16 |
| coderus | something like that | 11:16 |
| Nicd- | cool, thanks | 11:16 |
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| special | fwiw the sailfish messaging client uses verticalLayoutDirection | 11:18 |
| special | there were a lot of bugs trying to snap it manually before we had it on QtQuick2 | 11:18 |
| Nicd- | I'll look into that | 11:19 |
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| otto_ | hello | 11:35 |
| otto_ | tracker went crazy after I installed the latest update | 11:36 |
| otto_ | top output: http://pastebin.com/EYRPsyN3 | 11:36 |
| otto_ | 1) systemd/systemctl does not seem to include any service name that greps for 'tracker'. What is the proper way to kill tracker? | 11:36 |
| otto_ | 2) In case this happens for others too, how do you want me to debug this for general information? | 11:37 |
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| otto_ | killing tracker by pid does not work, something restarts it | 11:44 |
| Stskeeps | dbus.. | 11:45 |
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| mike7b4_jolla | hi, is there a firewall restriction in latest sailfish release? before I could send udp packets using my app push2sail seems not work now hmm? | 11:49 |
| Stskeeps | no | 11:50 |
| otto_ | how do I stop a single dbus service? | 11:50 |
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| locusf | hmm I can't compile any Qt projects on my Mer SDK for Sailfish | 11:52 |
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| Stskeeps | locusf: what breaks/ | 11:52 |
| Stskeeps | ? | 11:52 |
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| locusf | Stskeeps: http://pastie.org/8978144 | 11:52 |
| locusf | also http://pastie.org/8978145 | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | is that a qmake thingie? | 11:53 |
| locusf | yes | 11:53 |
| Stskeeps | hmm | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | i've seen it before but bit surprised to see it in qmake | 11:54 |
| Stskeeps | qmake breaks in manual sb2 too? | 11:54 |
| locusf | mb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl -d "SailfishOS Device2" deploy --pkcon | 11:54 |
| coderus | locusf: i saw it when trying to chroot to amd64 rootstrap from i386 system | 11:55 |
| locusf | coderus: oh | 11:56 |
| flux | so, I have installed qt5-qtdeclarative-{,devel,qtdeclarativetools-devel,qtquick,qtquick-devel} on MerSDK and I have CONFIG += declarative in my helloworld-pro-sail-based src/src.pro, but I cannot include <QDeclarativeEngine> (not found). suggestions? | 11:58 |
| flux | oh, and I also have Qt5Declarative in PkgConfigBR in the yaml file | 11:59 |
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| locusf | Stskeeps: it breaks to the same error when doing manual qmake && make | 12:00 |
| flux | (oh2, and I tried cleaning the build) | 12:00 |
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| otto_ | I am out of ideas on what to do. Directly from reboot tracker-store process is crazy and loads are 4-10. Battery life isn't very good with a device like this.. ;) | 12:01 |
| Stskeeps | locusf: it comes from that QMAKE_CXXFLAGS/QMAKE_CFLAGS isn't set correctly afaik | 12:01 |
| flux | hmm, it should be QT += declarative instead :) | 12:02 |
| flux | yep, fixed | 12:02 |
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| locusf | Stskeeps: it worked ok since last night | 12:02 |
| Stskeeps | odd | 12:03 |
| locusf | it kinda just popped up and started erroring in both projects, glacier-home and qtquickcontrols-nemo | 12:03 |
| coderus | flux: what are you doing? CONFIG += sailfishapp is all what you need | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | locusf: did you by chance intermix a x86 and a arm build? | 12:04 |
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| coderus | flux: you making qt4 application for sailfish? | 12:04 |
| Stskeeps | locusf: try a make clean | 12:04 |
| locusf | Stskeeps: I have tried a make clean too | 12:05 |
| locusf | but I don't know if I intermixed anything | 12:05 |
| Stskeeps | because that'd be my first guess | 12:05 |
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| coderus | flux: because there is no QDeclarativeEngine | 12:06 |
| coderus | QQmlEngine in qt5/silica | 12:06 |
| flux | coderus, oh. well, I'm trying to pass QImages from C++ to a QML app | 12:08 |
| flux | (or QPixmaps) | 12:08 |
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| coderus | flux: do you really need to pass image object? and why? i'm sure you can solve it easier | 12:09 |
| flux | well, I retrieve series of images from a multipart-jpeg image stream from the network | 12:09 |
| flux | and each time I receive one jpeg, I need to show it | 12:09 |
| coderus | for example QML Image.source: "data:image/png;base64,<base64-encoded-image-bytes>" | 12:10 |
| flux | I really don't want to base64-encode images n times per second | 12:10 |
| flux | plain decoding the jpeg images is going to take some CPU | 12:10 |
| coderus | flux: shouldnt it be cached anyway? | 12:10 |
| flux | no, because the image changes 20 times per second | 12:11 |
| coderus | hm | 12:11 |
| coderus | then its better to make your own QML Component | 12:11 |
| flux | ok. off to look how to do that then :) | 12:11 |
| flux | thanks for the insight | 12:11 |
| coderus | draw everything in C++ side | 12:11 |
| coderus | and use QML just for displaying your component | 12:12 |
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| schabi_ | I’ve noticed some other bugs: Switching between the online and offline status in the status information setting takes very long and often doesn’t switch properly. I was kind of glad that Sailfish took my complete Google Account with the contacts and integrated them in the contacts app. I don’t know if this is a bug from Sailfish or from Google, but contacts, which are put together with different information, are now split u | 12:13 |
| schabi_ | I can put them back together, but this is a bit annoying if you understand what I mean. The terminal app is also very buggy. Buttons don’t work all the time; the entire terminal seems to be very laggy. The battery display seems to be a bit buggy because it loses about 15% from one second to another. The Facebook integration in the gallery app is great. But there is one missing feature anyway. You can’t view who has liked you | 12:14 |
| schabi_ | . You just see how many people but you can’t see them in detail. The untrusted apps button in the system settings doesn’t work. The calendar overview seems to be a bit laggy too. Another thing is the missing Google+ integration in Sailfish, this should be added. Scrolling in application is also often too slow, don’t know whether it was mentioned in the email or not: P Splitting words in the German translation is a bit ugly | 12:14 |
| schabi_ | on the home screen it says:” Kurzzeitmesse” and in the next line the missing “r”. This could be adjusted I hope the watermark will be deleted in the next version of Sailfish for Nexus 4 because it is very annoying think the email push is not working correctly, I do not receive any emails until I push the refresh button. But all in all the email apps works well on my nexus 4. One thing I was really surprised is the bro | 12:15 |
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| schabi_ | an early stage on the nexus. The battery consumption is ok for an early release, nothing seems to consumpt more battery then it should. I was not able to connect my smartphone to my windows 7 Pc although USB connection was checked in the system settings. These are the things I’ve noticed using sailfish on my nexus 4. I hope I can help you guys continue your amazing work and bring a fully functional version to our android devi | 12:15 |
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| Stskeeps | schabi_: could you mail all that to me at carsten.munk@jolla.com ? | 12:16 |
| Stskeeps | you got cut off in a lot of sentences :) | 12:16 |
| schabi_ | For sure! | 12:16 |
| schabi_ | Irc is probably not the best way to share long texts :D | 12:17 |
| coderus | yea, so texty :P | 12:17 |
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| schabi_ | Email : check :) | 12:20 |
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| flux | coderus, is the best resource on looking how to create custom qml components the source code? .. | 12:43 |
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| flux | or maybe it's so plain obvious that people don't bother to write about it :) | 12:44 |
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| otto_ | I maybe found the cause to the tracker going crazy issue | 12:45 |
| otto_ | My /media/sdcard/ directory has like 10 entries. I haven't touched my sdcard for months, so there is no reason to have many mount points there. See http://pastebin.com/gbJLTMnF | 12:45 |
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| otto_ | my device seems to have lots of /dev/mmcblk1p* devices, which all get mounted | 12:46 |
| otto_ | I haven't touched /etc/fstab or anything | 12:47 |
| stephg | fdisk -l /dev/mmcblk1 ? | 12:48 |
| stephg | and blkid of any partitions there :) | 12:48 |
| otto_ | my /etc/fstab looks clean. Everything that gets now mounted is dynamic stuff | 12:48 |
| otto_ | http://pastebin.com/xpStwbbF | 12:50 |
| otto_ | I haven't touched the partitioning of my sdcard | 12:50 |
| coderus | flux: read qt5 reference. QtQML, Extending QML with C++, C++ extension provided by Qt Quick | 12:51 |
| stephg | that is... curious | 12:51 |
| stephg | blkid /dev/mmcblk1p* | 12:51 |
| otto_ | http://pastebin.com/YfRhG5aN | 12:52 |
| flux | coderus, ok, thanks! | 12:52 |
| stephg | this a jolla? | 12:52 |
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| otto_ | ok, maybe I did have these partitions on the card. So something changed in latest update that it automounts everything it finds, and tracker indexes it? | 12:53 |
| otto_ | jes, a jolla | 12:53 |
| stephg | u4 introduced support for automounting more than one partition on the sdcard iirc | 12:53 |
| stephg | so yeah I suspect that's what's happening | 12:54 |
| otto_ | top | 12:55 |
| otto_ | (whops, wrong window) | 12:55 |
| rengel | nää kun noi takarattaat meni ihan likaiseksi jo päälle 80km ajoilla | 12:59 |
| rengel | väärä ikkuna | 12:59 |
| rengel | -.- | 12:59 |
| squidd | :D | 12:59 |
| squidd | it happens | 12:59 |
| otto_ | unmounted everything in sdcard, now load has dropped to only 2.5 | 12:59 |
| otto_ | can I manually trigger the autmount somehow? I'd rather not boot the device when I already managed to run fdisk and mkfs.btrfs without booting to repartition :) | 13:04 |
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| otto_ | ok, no replies, I guess I have to reboot then.. | 13:16 |
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| stephg | don't think the automounter will stagger | 13:21 |
| stephg | it'll do the lot | 13:21 |
| stephg | but tracker will only be really busy the first time | 13:22 |
| stephg | that is alot of partuitions tho | 13:22 |
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| Nicd- | hmm, my QSslSocket is emitting connected, encrypted and then bytesWritten after I write stuff | 13:34 |
| Nicd- | the remote end just doesn't receive anything | 13:34 |
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| Juukks | Hi, I'm looking a way to use qt5-dbus library on my project. Which is the correct packet name to add to yaml file? | 13:37 |
| otto_ | my load is still above 1. Top shows systemd-logind and four kworker process on top | 13:40 |
| otto_ | 15:40:39 up 23 min, 1 user, load average: 1.18, 1.65, 1.03 | 13:40 |
| otto_ | It should be something like 0.05, why isn't it? what should I check? | 13:41 |
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| otto_ | iostat does not seem to be available | 13:42 |
| stephg | otto_, first off load isn't a good measure of anything | 14:02 |
| stephg | second off load on my jolla is currently 21 ;) | 14:02 |
| stephg | fwiw iostat is usually in sysstat which isn't packaged in mer | 14:03 |
| Nicd- | anyone have any idea why a QSslSocket would never emit readyRead? | 14:14 |
| Nicd- | it connects and encrypts fine and I can write data, I just can't seem to get anything back | 14:14 |
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| kimmoli | xdg-open works.. thisway w/o gui (console app) QProcess::startDetached("xdg-open", (QStringList() << ssFilename)); | 14:27 |
| special | why didn't you use QDesktopServices? | 14:28 |
| special | if it's always a local file, that'd be QDesktopServices::openUrl(QUrl::fromLocalFile(ssFilename)) | 14:29 |
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| kimmoli | i dont have gui , QDesktopServices requires gui. | 14:33 |
| kimmoli | as per QT -= gui | 14:34 |
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| ballock | sledges or Stskeeps: are you willing to share the .ks for the EA image? | 14:43 |
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| ballock | I would also like to know where is the .stowaways/sailfishos used | 14:44 |
| ballock | or, where does sailfish expect to find the Android files? | 14:45 |
| lbt | ballock: it becomes / | 14:46 |
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| ballock | I guess the initramfs does that? | 14:47 |
| lbt | yes | 14:47 |
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| ballock | how do I extract the hybris-boot.img to check the script? | 14:47 |
| ballock | or it's as straight as you would just tell me :)? | 14:48 |
| ballock | (I mean the thing the script does) | 14:48 |
| lbt | the mer sdk has split_bootimg in it | 14:49 |
| lbt | but it's basically that | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | ballock: it'll come later as part of the HADK | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | it | 14:49 |
| Stskeeps | 's much easier to do things when you have that too | 14:49 |
| ballock | I know, but I'm already on the #soon channel :p | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | yes yes | 14:50 |
| Stskeeps | hybris-boot is on github.com/mer-hybris if you want to see it, i would recommend against using this to try and do any porting | 14:50 |
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| ballock | Stskeeps: thank you :) looks promising | 14:55 |
| Stskeeps | this being the EA image ;) | 14:55 |
| ballock | sounds like the last part is to get the cm data to /data | 14:55 |
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| Stskeeps | what are you hoping to do, out of interest? | 14:56 |
| ballock | I've got archos g9 with plasma, based on mer already | 14:56 |
| ballock | so I intend to replace its rootfs with that of EA and get cm10.1 which I also have to serve android libs | 14:57 |
| ballock | in my opinion, theretically feasible | 14:57 |
| kimmoli | special: And seems i can do this also through dbus call; dbus-send --print-reply --dest=com.jolla.gallery /com/jolla/gallery/ui com.jolla.gallery.ui.showImages array:string:"file:///home/nemo/Pictures/kikkeli.png" | 14:57 |
| ballock | it's just that I can't use either the kernel, boot image nor the .stowaway magic | 14:57 |
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| special | kimmoli: that is probably what xdg ends up doing. | 14:58 |
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| kimmoli | seems so after looking what happens in journal | 15:00 |
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| coderus | please check: http://katastrophos.net/andre/blog/2014/03/29/running-sailfishos-build-engine-outside-virtualbox-vm/ | 15:06 |
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| lbt | coderus: looks good - I strongly suggest you look at: https://github.com/mer-tools/sdk-setup/blob/master/src/mer-sdk-chroot#L73 | 15:18 |
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| lbt | that will isolate the mount namespace changes to your script (and any subsequent ssh sessions) and will mean that when your script exits you don't need to cleanup the mounts | 15:19 |
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| Nicd- | anyone here having some experience with Qt sockets? | 15:27 |
| Nicd- | my QSslSocket connects and encrypts fine but never emits readyRead, trying to read always fails | 15:28 |
| Nicd- | I can write just fine though | 15:28 |
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| coderus | Nicd-: encrypted() signal emitted? | 15:31 |
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| Nicd- | coderus: yes | 15:31 |
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| Nicd- | when it's emitted, I write to the socket and the remote end receives it | 15:32 |
| Nicd- | then it replies back but I never get the reply | 15:32 |
| Nicd- | I connect the readyRead signal to code that uses readAll() but readyRead is never emitted | 15:33 |
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| Nicd- | I SOLVED IT! | 15:57 |
| Nicd- | \o/ | 15:57 |
| Nicd- | with 5 minutes remaining in hack day | 15:57 |
| Nicd- | problem was my socket wasn't first in a thread. after a while I put it into a QThread but I hadn't created the SailfishApp yet so it complained that it can't use an event loop | 15:58 |
| Nicd- | so in my main() I had to first QGuiApplication* app = SailfishApp::application(argc, argv);, then create the socket and the QThread, then return app->exec(); and it works | 15:58 |
| locusf | any quick way to reinstall Mer SDK VM? | 16:02 |
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| coderus | WARNING: UNPROTECTED PRIVATE KEY FILE! << WTF? | 16:14 |
| coderus | http://paste.ubuntu.com/7174863/ | 16:14 |
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| antoniolatiano | hello people | 16:19 |
| Stskeeps | hello hello | 16:20 |
| locusf | Stskeeps: I fixed the problem by reinstalling whole Sailfish SDK | 16:21 |
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| antoniolatiano | I think this question has been asked 1000 times | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | locusf: okay | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | antoniolatiano: 999 only | 16:22 |
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| antoniolatiano | but it's "normal" for this build that i can't abilitate the 3rd-party app installations? | 16:23 |
| locusf | Stskeeps: would have been cool to figure out the root cause but ran out of patience :) | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | antoniolatiano: yes | 16:23 |
| antoniolatiano | now are 1000 :-) | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | antoniolatiano: just rpm -i from terminal | 16:23 |
| antoniolatiano | ok thanks | 16:23 |
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| coderus | http://paste.ubuntu.com/7174863/ < any ideas? | 16:25 |
| antoniolatiano | now my SailfishOS experience is complete | 16:26 |
| coderus | fixed by chmod 0600, but why its happened? | 16:29 |
| locusf | coderus: during Sailfish installing the device I guess | 16:31 |
| locusf | SDK | 16:31 |
| locusf | too lax permissions at that stage | 16:31 |
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| coderus | SDK shoot the leg :D | 16:36 |
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| flux | here's the webcam streaming (for multi-part jpeg streams) program I just wrote&presented at jolla hack day: https://github.com/eras/Virtaus | 16:47 |
| flux | thanks to coderus for excellent pointers :) | 16:47 |
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| coderus | flux: well done :) | 16:52 |
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| tehdely | HI @ ALL | 17:36 |
| tehdely | anyone running ohijarvi on their n9? what works | 17:36 |
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| coderus | tehdely: nobody | 18:09 |
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| coderus | sd_journal. anybody can help me? | 18:10 |
| coderus | i pushed data to journal with file, line etc. information, but journalctl -a path displaying weird formatted data | 18:10 |
| coderus | with no function, line, etc... | 18:10 |
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| radekp_ | hi, anyone has idea why CPU does not enter idle state while the phone is charging? | 18:26 |
| radekp_ | because of this my TOH solar charger is currently discharger, because CPU consumes all the power that solar panel generates | 18:27 |
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| Turski | radekp_: because it was tought to be not needed | 18:30 |
| radekp_ | Turski: hi, thanks, can i somehow override the behaviour? | 18:30 |
| Turski | i don't know... probably at least somehow over sysfs | 18:31 |
| Turski | or mcetool? | 18:31 |
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| radekp_ | Turski: oki, i'll try to search some, i wonder if there are some docs about mcetool? | 18:35 |
| Turski | radekp_: i have no idea | 18:35 |
| radekp_ | oki, thanks | 18:36 |
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| Eztran | mcetool --set-suspend-policy=enabled might do it, providing that's how the change is made when the device is charging. Don't know if that's how they do it or if it's ignored completely when charging, though. | 18:41 |
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| coderus | does Jolla powered by power supply when charging? mostly phones continue powering by battery while it charging | 18:48 |
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| radekp_ | any idea how do i install mcetool? | 18:54 |
| radekp_ | pkcon install mce-tools | 18:55 |
| radekp_ | got it :) | 18:55 |
| coderus | :D | 18:56 |
| radekp_ | still the CPU wont enter idle | 18:57 |
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| NewShewz | So I wanted to ask about buying a phone to put Sailfish on. Would it be more helpful to buy a nexus 4 and start testing or would it be mnore help getting something like a nexus 5 or a moto g and helping with HW Porting? | 20:30 |
| NewShewz | I've already offered to do documentation or something to sledges. I thought I had a viable Xperia Z but the bootloader is unlockable and the carrier is being unhelpful (in Canada where they are allowed to do that sort of thing) | 20:31 |
| NewShewz | I've created an Arch VM that I was going to start doing some poking around in the source and some direction in that regard would sure be helpful | 20:32 |
| NewShewz | OR should I be looking at qt app dev? | 20:32 |
| stephg | what's your background NewShewz? | 20:34 |
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| NewShewz | Windows Software Dev. 20 years. Just picked up freebsd and arch about 9 months ago... | 20:35 |
| NewShewz | but I work at a company that does embeded linux so I have a TON of support if i need it | 20:35 |
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| NewShewz | I have a fair understanding of aproximately what needs to happen but the specifics are a little blury. | 20:36 |
| NewShewz | Anyway, I just want to stick it to the carriers now so I will do whatever I can to help. | 20:37 |
| stephg | well here's the right place to ask (but everyone seems to be having dinner) | 20:37 |
| NewShewz | okay, I was wondering. I'm in Canada. Are the majority oif you in Europe? | 20:37 |
| stephg | people are smattered all over the world but a fair number of folks are in europe yeah | 20:37 |
| Nicd- | yes | 20:37 |
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| NewShewz | I'm new to IRC. Do my questions stick around or do people have to be actively watching to see them? | 20:38 |
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| Nicd- | they can see them later if they've been on the channel | 20:39 |
| stephg | people will see them if they're the channel | 20:39 |
| stephg | yeah | 20:39 |
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| Nicd- | and if they scroll up | 20:39 |
| Nicd- | I'm too lazy for that | 20:39 |
| mikma | newshewz: usually if you "highlight" some person with nick, they can see it somehow in the log | 20:39 |
| Nicd- | too many channels anyeay | 20:39 |
| Nicd- | anyway* | 20:39 |
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| NewShewz | Okay, I understand now. So as long as the client is logged into that channel | 20:40 |
| Nicd- | yep | 20:40 |
| stephg | if you want to be able to use a phone soonish (and don't want to buy a jolla ;) then probably an n4 | 20:40 |
| mikma | private messages also work, /msg nick hello this is my message | 20:40 |
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| NewShewz | An N4 is impossible to come by here in Canada. | 20:41 |
| NewShewz | That and most phones are locked so my choices are pretty limited. | 20:41 |
| stephg | when the n5 came out the prices skyrocketed | 20:42 |
| stephg | (of the n4) | 20:42 |
| NewShewz | I've got a line on ONE N4 here in Victoria. Like I say, I just want to be as helpful as I can | 20:43 |
| NewShewz | So would user testing an N4 be more helpful then? | 20:43 |
| NewShewz | Or buying something that isn't supported yet and get involved in the porting process? | 20:44 |
| NewShewz | I lied, TWO n4's here. lol | 20:44 |
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| stephg | heh | 20:44 |
| stephg | so the hardware adaptation documentation isn't 'out' yet | 20:45 |
| NewShewz | Sure, that's my question. Where would I be the most help? Should I buy a Moto G and help you flesh out the adaption doc? Should I buy an N4 and help with user tests and app dev? | 20:47 |
| stephg | sorry, not trying to be deliberately vague, but I don't know really what's the best answer to tell you (I'm only community) | 20:47 |
| stephg | with regards to the porting right now the jolla folks are working with what they have to hand | 20:47 |
| stephg | from what I understand documentation for porting to basically other CMs (e.g 11 for the n5 etc.) should be straight forward once that doc is done | 20:48 |
| stephg | that's all that was said here | 20:48 |
| stephg | but I don't know how involved that is, and to what degree straight forward means | 20:48 |
| stephg | so mean time if you want to help 'now' then yeah an N4 | 20:49 |
| stephg | failling that it looks like an S3 is another option | 20:50 |
| stephg | https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 20:50 |
| stephg | being the state of play at the moment | 20:50 |
| NewShewz | I saw that in the email for the n4. Cyenogenmod first, then flash the sailfish img file over top | 20:50 |
| stephg | yeah:- things are currently only coupled with CM 10.1.3 | 20:50 |
| NewShewz | Right, that's for Bionic and EGL translation. | 20:50 |
| stephg | yeah, all the hardware interaction | 20:51 |
| NewShewz | Okay, so you're saying there is still a fair bit of work left on the platform in this adoption roadmap so stick with one of these. e.g. the n4 | 20:53 |
| stephg | at the moment, yeah | 20:54 |
| NewShewz | perfect, that's what I needed to know | 20:54 |
| stephg | hope I've been able to answer some of your questions satisfactorily! | 20:55 |
| NewShewz | +1 :) | 20:55 |
| NewShewz | So is there any plans on moving away from the Android kernel and towards something that doesn't require a translation layer? | 20:57 |
| stephg | it's a pragmatic choice at the moment | 20:58 |
| stephg | long term if sailfish is successful enough then device manufacturers will hopefully offer drivers for things other than android | 20:58 |
| stephg | but that's really where the pain is right now | 20:59 |
| Eztran | Jolla are even using hybris on their own device, which suggests exactly how difficult it is to get well-supported drivers otherwise right now. | 20:59 |
| stephg | yep | 20:59 |
| stephg | right, got to go pick up the wife | 20:59 |
| stephg | bbl | 20:59 |
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| NewShewz | I see. Has there been any testing to see what kind of performance hit the translation is causing? | 21:01 |
| stephg | it's very light I understand | 21:02 |
| NewShewz | That's good news. Okay here's another question out of left field: Since both BB10 apps and Sailfish are using qt, is there any thoughts towards supporting BB10 apps? | 21:04 |
| NewShewz | I forget what their SDK is called... | 21:04 |
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| Eztran | BB10 uses Cascades, they'd probably be a pain to support. | 21:04 |
| NewShewz | but techinically it should be possible?> | 21:04 |
| NewShewz | What aboutt he otehr way: lipstick to BB10? | 21:04 |
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| NewShewz | Gotta reboot. Be Right Back... | 21:09 |
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| coderus | is cascades opensource? | 21:10 |
| Eztran | don't think so, which would kinda stuff that idea. | 21:11 |
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| NewShewz | So where does the Alien Davlik live in Sailfish? Is it part of mer? | 21:35 |
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| tbr | no | 21:38 |
| NewShewz | So it's a stand alone vm? | 21:38 |
| tbr | it's a runtime | 21:39 |
| tbr | a windowed one | 21:39 |
| NewShewz | meaning it presents a UI or does the term windowed have a different context? | 21:40 |
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| NewShewz | I guess I don't quite understand what is included in mer? Is mer analogous to gnu? | 21:41 |
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| NewShewz | Is there any documentation to decribe what is incldued in mer? (wayland, qt?) | 21:42 |
| NewShewz | *included | 21:42 |
| stephg | mer is the core of it | 21:43 |
| stephg | let me find the slide | 21:43 |
| stephg | https://sailfishos.org/images/Sailfish_Architecture.png | 21:44 |
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| NewShewz | I see. Are all the "jolla" parts written against qt? | 21:45 |
| NewShewz | is libhybris included in mer? It's not specific | 21:46 |
| NewShewz | oops, kids are up. That's it for my playtime unfotuntely. :( | 21:46 |
| NewShewz | so... many... questions... lol. Later! | 21:47 |
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| stephg | hehe | 21:48 |
| stephg | quickly | 21:48 |
| stephg | jolla ux (silica is) against qt yes | 21:48 |
| stephg | hybris is the hw adaptation but in principle need not be | 21:48 |
| stephg | they're of varying openness, the rest in the middle is entirely open | 21:49 |
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| coderus | maybe port AOSP to Jolla? :D | 21:54 |
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| zon | Hey guys, I don't know how often this has been asked before but are there any plans to allow the usage of the Alien Dalvik feature on non-Jolla phones (maybe by purchasing a license from the Jolla App Store)? | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | zon: i wouldn't say it's impossible that the devices would have an android runtime in the future | 22:46 |
| Stskeeps | i just don't want to promise it until it's real :) | 22:46 |
| Yaniel | app store needs paid app support anyway | 22:47 |
| zon | That would be great :) | 22:47 |
| zon | Still waiting for a SailfishOS build for my Galaxy Nexus :) | 22:47 |
| coderus | i think Dalvik should be licensed for that purpose, and it became available as soon as it will be resolved :) | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | coderus: the real problem is more about counting and technical tbh | 22:48 |
| Stskeeps | if we give sailfish to a device, it's a zero earned money as such, if we start giving things we'll then pay for, then it becomes negative amount per non-jolla sailfish device. | 22:49 |
| coderus | hm | 22:49 |
| Stskeeps | so you have to find ways to weigh that up | 22:49 |
| coderus | true | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | a device has a software BOM/bill of materials just like it has it for hardware :) | 22:50 |
| coderus | paid alien dalvik in Jolla Store for Android :) | 22:50 |
| Stskeeps | some might argue that giving away some features for free, if you're able to count them, is okay, to gain growth.. | 22:51 |
| coderus | but it will be hacked faster than positive amount reached :D | 22:51 |
| Stskeeps | probably | 22:51 |
| coderus | android hacking scene is proactive | 22:51 |
| coderus | hey! | 22:52 |
| zon | Hey! :p | 22:52 |
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| coderus | buy Jolla phone and get Aliend Dalvik support to your SailfishOS for Android with %0% off :D | 22:52 |
| coderus | 50% * | 22:52 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 22:53 |
| coderus | best idea ever :D | 22:53 |
| Stskeeps | buy a jolla for your friend, get a free alien dalvik .. ;) | 22:53 |
| coderus | you will sell more Jolla and more Dalvik activations =) | 22:53 |
| coderus | hehe :) | 22:53 |
| * coderus suredoc * | 22:54 | |
| coderus | :D | 22:54 |
| coderus | omg i just reversed my nickname | 22:55 |
| coderus | omg omg omg!!! | 22:55 |
| coderus | its sleep time, bye-bye :D | 22:56 |
| stephg | me also | 22:56 |
| stephg | night folks, catch you in the morning | 22:56 |
| Hartzi | hey doc! | 23:04 |
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| simpleegl | Hi everyone | 23:26 |
| simpleegl | How can I compile this code under mersdk http://cgit.freedesktop.org/wayland/weston/tree/clients/gears.c This is a 3D graphics code under wayland | 23:26 |
| simpleegl | geting some erro | 23:27 |
| Yaniel | and we know perfectly what is wrong from that description | 23:28 |
| simpleegl | Following code： [SB2 sdk-build SailfishOS-i486-x86] I have no name!@SailfishSDK clients $ gcc -o gerac gears.c -I /srv/mer/targets/SailfishOS-i486-x86/usr/include/cairo -L /srv/mer/targets/SailfishOS-i486-x86/usr/lib -lm -lwayland-client -lcairo -lEGL -lGL gears.c:41:1: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'struct' gears.c: In function 'update_fps': gears.c:2 | 23:28 |
| simpleegl | gears.c:212:7: error: 'struct gears' has no member named 'frames' gears.c:214:24: error: 'struct gears' has no member named 'last_fps' gears.c:218:20: error: 'struct gears' has no member named 'frames' gears.c:220:59: error: 'struct gears' has no member named 'frames' | 23:28 |
| Yaniel | please pastebin long chunks of text | 23:28 |
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| simpleegl | The text is too long to be issued | 23:31 |
| simpleegl | All the header files and libraries are included but still had undefined term | 23:31 |
| simpleegl | gears.c:441:7: error: 'struct gears' has no member named 'last_fps' gears.c:458:28: error: 'struct gears' has no member named 'window' gears.c:459:33: error: 'struct gears' has no member named 'widget' gears.c:460:33: error: 'struct gears' has no member named 'widget' gears.c:461:33: error: 'struct gears' has no member named 'widget' gears.c:462:33: error: 'struct gears' has no member named 'widget' gears.c:463:41: error: 'str | 23:32 |
| Yaniel | use a pastebin for long chunks of text... | 23:37 |
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| simpleegl | http://pastebin.com/ww6UVy0g The complete error message | 23:44 |
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| simpleegl | Source code should not be wrong | 23:50 |
| simpleegl | It is provided by the official wayland | 23:50 |
| Yaniel | maybe you should take a look at the lines of code it mentions | 23:53 |
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| simpleegl | Which line？ | 23:57 |
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