Saturday, 2014-03-29

G-Raythanks ;)00:01
G-Raysledges: How can I install warehouse RPM from CLI ?00:06
sledgesG-Ray: rpm -i00:06
G-RayI was close :)00:07
G-Raysledges: I would like to dl android support app, it doesn't seem to be in openrepos00:09
sledgesG-Ray: it won't work on nexus 400:12
G-Rayoh no :( Why ?00:13
sledgeslots of pieces of puzzle missing etc00:13
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NewShewzCongratulations on the recent release!05:01
NewShewzI got the early adopters email. I've got a zony xperia z that I was going to try and port but it's got an "unlockable" bootloader and nothing has seemed to work so far05:02
NewShewzIf anyone has a suggestion I'm all ears. If this phone won't work (It's a broken peice of junk more than a phone)05:03
NewShewzthen I'd like ot know if someone has a suggestion on what phone I should pick up05:03
NewShewzI was eyeing up a Nexus 5?05:03
NewShewzIf I can get CM on it, then it's a hop skip and a jump to SF, no?05:04
NewShewzIf the suggestion is a Nexus 4 then that's great too.05:06
NewShewzI downloaded the emulator a while back. It was pretty cool. If your running qt for native apps, can Blackberry Apps be ported?05:09
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Stskeepsgood morning06:21
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jussiso have I missed anything since yesterday afternoon?06:36
tbrtime to rock some sailfish apps and hackamadoodles in Tampere!06:36
jussitbr: its a beautiful day.  why the moaning?  :D06:36
tbrjussi: because I'm not awake yet and the caffeine hasn't kicked in.06:37
* tbr might be moar approachable once he reaches NewFactory06:37
jussibtw, does sailfish have a you tube app?06:37
Morpog_Argh, Antti Saarnio is teasing me on twitter :D06:38
Juubasome kind of Youtube app was in Store06:38
Juubacomments said it lacks landscape support06:39
Juubaand adding videos to playlists, sharing... etc not supported06:39
jussiJuuba: argh. annoying06:39
jussialso, any way to watch areena?06:41
Juubai ahve watched youtube videos on browser06:42
Juubaalso works with android Youtube app06:42
tbrjussi: I'd expect the areena android client to work, haven't tried it personally06:42
jussitbr: ahhh for those with android capabilities06:43
tbrgiven that I've seen html5 implementations of areena for mobile devices, it shouldn't be that hard to come up with a QML version. (Those may or may not have been public, don't remember)06:43
jussiyeah, would be nice. my daughter likes muumi's06:45
tbrwho doesn't!06:46
jussihehe. true that06:48
jussithe beta should be html5, but i get redirected back to normal areena if i try go there06:51
jussican i change the user agent?06:52
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tbryou should be able to by overriding it in about:config06:59
jussiToisena uutuutena Sailfish OS -käyttöjärjestelmää eli Jolla-puhelimia varten Areenan Android-sovelluksesta on tarjolla versio Jollan sovelluskaupasta.07:03
jussiat least yle tells us something. ...07:04
jussiWindows-sovelluksen valmistumisen yhteydessä olemme lopettaneet aiemmin toimineen mobiili-Areenan version.07:04
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coderuswhat include for sd_journal_send ?07:19
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squiddwhy is the rum gone?! _07:23
Stskeepsand why does your head hurt so bad?07:24
squiddnah, it doesnt :)07:24
Siddesquidd: when the rum is gone. you start with the moonshine07:24
squiddoh noes07:25
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coderussuy: ping08:04
coderussuy: i'm getting segfault when trying to call sd_journal_send08:04
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mailyaseenmsg /sledges Hi Sledges.. how are you?08:28
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stephgso (probably more trivial sleepy things):08:32
stephgreceive lots of xmpp whilst it's asleep and it seems to end up displaying them as multiple icons08:33
stephgthere should be only one notification there I believe with 13 messages...08:34
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schabi_I've installed the early adopter version of Sailfish OS on my Nexus 4. These are the things I've noticed: The system seems to be very stable. I did not have any reboots, but some kind of freezes, but they were caused by unworking stuff so no problem.09:06
schabi_The connection of Facebook and Twitter works good. But there is no Facebook "app". Twitter has got a "timeline" app implemted and I wonderd if facebook has got the same in Sailfish. The connection to the facebook messaging servics works great. You can receive messages and write them as well. I was wondering about notification when the phone is locked. I did not receive any vibration or tone to inform myself about the message.09:09
schabi_Another thing is the installation of third party apps. This seems to be blocked. Is it intended to be blocked?09:11
stephgschabi_, there is currently no integrated facebook app in Sailfish09:11
stephgyou can download 'Friends' from open repos09:12
stephgthe FB account settings are for notifications/chats and stuff in Sailfish09:13
stephgbut there's nothing for 'browsing' notifications, feeds etc. in FB09:13
stephgschabi_, 3rd party apps isn't 'blocked' per-se, you need to install the RPMs yourself, probably by the command line09:14
schabi_Another thing is the resoultion of the icons in the app drawer. They seem to have a very low resolution.09:18
schabi_Ive downloaded the .rpm but I can't install it over the UI because it says untrusted software is disabled.09:19
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stephgthat's in Settings09:19
stephgSettings>System>Untrusted Software09:19
stephgiirc you should still be able to install it in the terminal with pkcon install-local /path/to/file09:20
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Stskeepsschabi_: good bug reports09:24
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schabi_And what is the path? Sry for those stupid questions. I've downloaded the rpms over the browser09:24
Stskeepsschabi_: probably in ~/Downloads or similar09:25
stephgprobably /home/nemo/Downloads/09:25
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Stskeepsand it's good questions, not stupid :)09:25
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carepackmornign ;)09:27
carepackmorning ;)09:27
Stskeepsmorn carepack09:27
carepackmorn stskeeps. everything fine?09:27
Stskeepsyeah, at a conference currently going to present about sailfishos later on today09:28
carepackoh. where?09:28
Stskeepscarepack: somewhere in polish mountains09:28
stephgdo share the slides :)09:28
Stskeepssquidd: what, it's weekend?09:28
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carepackI think it's not like working. Polish moutains. great view?09:29
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Stskeepsyeah but kinda foggy09:29
Stskeepsand yes, it's a little less stressful than work09:29
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squiddwork, stressfull :O09:29
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carepackstskeeps: techincal discussion? promo?09:31
Stskeepsgeneral introduction09:31
Stskeepsi'm going for a soft talk09:31
squiddStskeeps: tell them that its the best thing ever!09:31
Stskeepsnow now, i have to be objective ;)09:32
squiddthat was objective :O09:32
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carepackwho are the participants? Pienimäki said: sailfish is the only modern mobile os for phones. and he is right!09:36
Stskeepscarepack: kinda generic open source interested people09:36
Stskeepswhich of the pienimaki's? :)09:36
carepacktomi is called in the article09:37
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kimmoliis there a way to open picture from gallery from my non-UI app? (e.g. after ActionInvoked from notification) open gallery and display certain image..09:41
Stskeepskimmoli: hmm xdg-open?09:41
kimmolisomething like the email opens attachment?09:43
Stskeepskimmoli: if it doesn't exist already, consider opening a together.* thread for it09:43
Stskeepsgood starter for something like android intents09:43
kimmolithere should be one. i will seek dat floppy09:43
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lbtpretty sure that's behind
kimmolifile-browser uses xdg-open , but hmm thanks lbt i'll see that, sounds "simpler"09:49
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specialkimmoli: openUrlExternally uses QDesktopServices which uses xdg-open.10:03
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kimmoliinclude <QtGui/QDesktopServices>  but no openUrl there... going to xdg-open way now. tnx10:14
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coderusplease vote if you like:
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coderuskimmoli: QDesktopServices::openUrl(QUrl("/home/nemo/Picures/picture.jpg"));10:32
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maxoratordoes sailfish implement any additional permissions system on top of the normal unix file rights?10:34
Bysmyyrnot (yet)10:37
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maxoratorI was just wondering really, it isn't really important for me10:39
maxoratoralthough I imagine implementing something for that could be quite tricky10:39
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mikmacoderus: "picures" ? :)10:42
coderusmaxorator: only api restrictions for privileged group10:42
coderusmikma: what you mean by your question10:42
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mikmacoderus: QDesktopServices::openUrl(QUrl("/home/nemo/Picures/picture.jpg")); <- spot the typoooooo10:44
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mikmacoderus: unless the software is "picures" by name10:45
coderusmikma: *facepalm*10:45
coderusgo walk and relax10:46
mikmano, more coffee!10:47
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kimmoli_sailingcoderus: gives linker error... iirc10:54
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kimmoli_sailingi have no qtqui10:59
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Nicd-so, how should I implement a log-like window where new text appears on the bottom?11:04
stephgcool, HHGTTG is on the radio11:04
jussipeople still listen to "radio" ?11:04
Nicd-it should keep the viewport scrolled to the bottom when new text arrives11:04
stephg(and I have to punchdown cables)11:04
Nicd-do I model this with a ListView or something else?11:04
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coderusNicd-: listview11:10
coderusonCountChanged: positionViewAtEnd()11:10
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specialyou might have better results using verticalLayoutDirection: ListView.BottomToTop11:11
coderuscool idea :)11:11
specialbut the two expect different order from the model11:11
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coderustoo oblivious :)11:13
Nicd-special, coderus: thanks :)11:14
Nicd-I want to make it work like an IRC client so that it doesn't snap to the bottom if you have scrolled up11:15
Nicd-once you scroll to the bottom it will start moving with the output again11:15
coderusonNewItemAdded: if (listView.atYEnd) { positionViewAtEnd() }11:16
coderussomething like that11:16
Nicd-cool, thanks11:16
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specialfwiw the sailfish messaging client uses verticalLayoutDirection11:18
specialthere were a lot of bugs trying to snap it manually before we had it on QtQuick211:18
Nicd-I'll look into that11:19
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otto_tracker went crazy after I installed the latest update11:36
otto_top output:
otto_1) systemd/systemctl does not seem to include any service name that greps for 'tracker'. What is the proper way to kill tracker?11:36
otto_2) In case this happens for others too, how do you want me to debug this for general information?11:37
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otto_killing tracker by pid does not work, something restarts it11:44
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mike7b4_jollahi, is there a firewall restriction in latest sailfish release? before I could send udp  packets using my app push2sail seems not work now hmm?11:49
otto_how do I stop a single dbus service?11:50
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locusfhmm I can't compile any Qt projects on my Mer SDK for Sailfish11:52
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Stskeepslocusf: what breaks/11:52
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Stskeepsis that a qmake thingie?11:53
Stskeepsi've seen it before but bit surprised to see it in qmake11:54
Stskeepsqmake breaks in manual sb2 too?11:54
locusfmb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl -d "SailfishOS Device2" deploy --pkcon11:54
coderuslocusf: i saw it when trying to chroot to amd64 rootstrap from  i386 system11:55
locusfcoderus: oh11:56
fluxso, I have installed qt5-qtdeclarative-{,devel,qtdeclarativetools-devel,qtquick,qtquick-devel} on MerSDK and I have CONFIG += declarative in my helloworld-pro-sail-based src/, but I cannot include <QDeclarativeEngine> (not found). suggestions?11:58
fluxoh, and I also have Qt5Declarative in PkgConfigBR in the yaml file11:59
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locusfStskeeps: it breaks to the same error when doing manual qmake && make12:00
flux(oh2, and I tried cleaning the build)12:00
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otto_I am out of ideas on what to do. Directly from reboot tracker-store process is crazy and loads are 4-10. Battery life isn't very good with a device like this.. ;)12:01
Stskeepslocusf: it comes from that QMAKE_CXXFLAGS/QMAKE_CFLAGS isn't set correctly afaik12:01
fluxhmm, it should be QT += declarative instead :)12:02
fluxyep, fixed12:02
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locusfStskeeps: it worked ok since last night12:02
locusfit kinda just popped up and started erroring in both projects, glacier-home and qtquickcontrols-nemo12:03
coderusflux: what are you doing? CONFIG += sailfishapp is all what you need12:04
Stskeepslocusf: did you by chance intermix a x86 and a arm build?12:04
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coderusflux: you making qt4 application for sailfish?12:04
Stskeepslocusf: try a make clean12:04
locusfStskeeps: I have tried a make clean too12:05
locusfbut I don't know if I intermixed anything12:05
Stskeepsbecause that'd be my first guess12:05
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coderusflux: because there is no QDeclarativeEngine12:06
coderusQQmlEngine in qt5/silica12:06
fluxcoderus, oh. well, I'm trying to pass QImages from C++ to a QML app12:08
flux(or QPixmaps)12:08
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coderusflux: do you really need to pass image object? and why? i'm sure you can solve it easier12:09
fluxwell, I retrieve series of images from a multipart-jpeg image stream from the network12:09
fluxand each time I receive one jpeg, I need to show it12:09
coderusfor example QML Image.source: "data:image/png;base64,<base64-encoded-image-bytes>"12:10
fluxI really don't want to base64-encode images n times per second12:10
fluxplain decoding the jpeg images is going to take some CPU12:10
coderusflux: shouldnt it be cached anyway?12:10
fluxno, because the image changes 20 times per second12:11
coderusthen its better to make your own QML Component12:11
fluxok. off to look how to do that then :)12:11
fluxthanks for the insight12:11
coderusdraw everything in C++ side12:11
coderusand use QML just for displaying your component12:12
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schabi_I’ve noticed some other bugs: Switching between the online and offline status in the status information setting takes very long and often doesn’t switch properly. I was kind of glad that Sailfish took my complete Google Account with the contacts and integrated them in the contacts app. I don’t know if this is a bug from Sailfish or from Google, but contacts, which are put together with different information, are now split u12:13
schabi_I can put them back together, but this is a bit annoying if you understand what I mean. The terminal app is also very buggy. Buttons don’t work all the time; the entire terminal seems to be very laggy. The battery display seems to be a bit buggy because it loses about 15% from one second to another.  The Facebook integration in the gallery app is great. But there is one missing feature anyway. You can’t view who has liked you12:14
schabi_. You just see how many people but you can’t see them in detail.  The untrusted apps button in the system settings doesn’t work. The calendar overview seems to be a bit laggy too. Another thing is the missing Google+ integration in Sailfish, this should be added. Scrolling in application is also often too slow, don’t know whether it was mentioned in the email or not: P Splitting words in the German translation is a bit ugly12:14
schabi_on the home screen it says:” Kurzzeitmesse” and in the next line the missing “r”. This could be adjusted  I hope the watermark will be deleted in the next version of Sailfish for Nexus 4 because it is very annoying think the email push is not working correctly, I do not receive any emails until I push the refresh button. But all in all the email apps works well on my nexus 4. One thing I was really surprised is the bro12:15
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schabi_an early stage on the nexus. The battery consumption is ok for an early release, nothing seems to consumpt more battery then it should. I was not able to connect my smartphone to my windows 7 Pc although USB connection was checked in the system settings.  These are the things I’ve noticed using sailfish on my nexus 4.  I hope I can help you guys continue your amazing work and bring a fully functional version to our android devi12:15
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Stskeepsschabi_: could you mail all that to me at ?12:16
Stskeepsyou got cut off in a lot of sentences :)12:16
schabi_For sure!12:16
schabi_Irc is probably not the best way to share long texts :D12:17
coderusyea, so texty :P12:17
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schabi_Email : check :)12:20
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fluxcoderus, is the best resource on looking how to create custom qml components the source code? ..12:43
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fluxor maybe it's so plain obvious that people don't bother to write about it :)12:44
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otto_I maybe found the cause to the tracker going crazy issue12:45
otto_My /media/sdcard/ directory has like 10 entries. I haven't touched my sdcard for months, so there is no reason to have many mount points there. See
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otto_my device seems to have lots of /dev/mmcblk1p* devices, which all get mounted12:46
otto_I haven't touched /etc/fstab or anything12:47
stephgfdisk -l /dev/mmcblk1 ?12:48
stephgand blkid of any partitions there :)12:48
otto_my /etc/fstab looks clean. Everything that gets now mounted is dynamic stuff12:48
otto_I haven't touched the partitioning of my sdcard12:50
coderusflux: read qt5 reference. QtQML, Extending QML with C++, C++ extension provided by Qt Quick12:51
stephgthat is... curious12:51
stephgblkid /dev/mmcblk1p*12:51
fluxcoderus, ok, thanks!12:52
stephgthis a jolla?12:52
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otto_ok, maybe I did have these partitions on the card. So something changed in latest update that it automounts everything it finds, and tracker indexes it?12:53
otto_jes, a jolla12:53
stephgu4 introduced support for automounting more than one partition on the sdcard iirc12:53
stephgso yeah I suspect that's what's happening12:54
otto_(whops, wrong window)12:55
rengelnää kun noi takarattaat meni ihan likaiseksi jo päälle 80km ajoilla12:59
rengelväärä ikkuna12:59
squiddit happens12:59
otto_unmounted everything in sdcard, now load has dropped to only 2.512:59
otto_can I manually trigger the autmount somehow? I'd rather not boot the device when I already managed to run fdisk and mkfs.btrfs without booting to repartition :)13:04
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otto_ok, no replies, I guess I have to reboot then..13:16
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stephgdon't think the automounter will stagger13:21
stephgit'll do the lot13:21
stephgbut tracker will only be really busy the first time13:22
stephgthat is alot of partuitions tho13:22
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Nicd-hmm, my QSslSocket is emitting connected, encrypted and then bytesWritten after I write stuff13:34
Nicd-the remote end just doesn't receive anything13:34
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JuukksHi, I'm looking a way to use qt5-dbus library on my project. Which is the correct packet name to add to yaml file?13:37
otto_my load is still above 1. Top shows systemd-logind and four kworker process on top13:40
otto_ 15:40:39 up 23 min,  1 user,  load average: 1.18, 1.65, 1.0313:40
otto_It should be something like 0.05, why isn't it? what should I check?13:41
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otto_iostat does not seem to be available13:42
stephgotto_, first off load isn't a good measure of anything14:02
stephgsecond off load on my jolla is currently 21 ;)14:02
stephgfwiw iostat is usually in sysstat which isn't packaged in mer14:03
Nicd-anyone have any idea why a QSslSocket would never emit readyRead?14:14
Nicd-it connects and encrypts fine and I can write data, I just can't seem to get anything back14:14
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kimmolixdg-open works.. thisway w/o gui (console app) QProcess::startDetached("xdg-open", (QStringList() << ssFilename));14:27
specialwhy didn't you use QDesktopServices?14:28
specialif it's always a local file, that'd be QDesktopServices::openUrl(QUrl::fromLocalFile(ssFilename))14:29
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kimmolii dont have gui , QDesktopServices requires gui.14:33
kimmolias per QT -= gui14:34
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ballocksledges or Stskeeps: are you willing to share the .ks for the EA image?14:43
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ballockI would also like to know where is the .stowaways/sailfishos used14:44
ballockor, where does sailfish expect to find the Android files?14:45
lbtballock: it becomes /14:46
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ballockI guess the initramfs does that?14:47
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ballockhow do I extract the hybris-boot.img to check the script?14:47
ballockor it's as straight as you would just tell me :)?14:48
ballock(I mean the thing the script does)14:48
lbtthe mer sdk has split_bootimg in it14:49
lbtbut it's basically that14:49
Stskeepsballock: it'll come later as part of the HADK14:49
Stskeeps's much easier to do things when you have that too14:49
ballockI know, but I'm already on the #soon channel :p14:50
Stskeepsyes yes14:50
Stskeepshybris-boot is on if you want to see it, i would recommend against using this to try and do any porting14:50
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ballockStskeeps: thank you :) looks promising14:55
Stskeepsthis being the EA image ;)14:55
ballocksounds like the last part is to get the cm data to /data14:55
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Stskeepswhat are you hoping to do, out of interest?14:56
ballockI've got archos g9 with plasma, based on mer already14:56
ballockso I intend to replace its rootfs with that of EA and get cm10.1 which I also have to serve android libs14:57
ballockin my opinion, theretically feasible14:57
kimmolispecial: And seems i can do this also through dbus call; dbus-send --print-reply /com/jolla/gallery/ui array:string:"file:///home/nemo/Pictures/kikkeli.png"14:57
ballockit's just that I can't use either the kernel, boot image nor the .stowaway magic14:57
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specialkimmoli: that is probably what xdg ends up doing.14:58
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kimmoliseems so after looking what happens in journal15:00
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coderusplease check:
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lbtcoderus: looks good - I strongly suggest you look at:
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lbtthat will isolate the mount namespace changes to your script (and any subsequent ssh sessions) and will mean that when your script exits you don't need to cleanup the mounts15:19
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Nicd-anyone here having some experience with Qt sockets?15:27
Nicd-my QSslSocket connects and encrypts fine but never emits readyRead, trying to read always fails15:28
Nicd-I can write just fine though15:28
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coderusNicd-: encrypted() signal emitted?15:31
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Nicd-coderus: yes15:31
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Nicd-when it's emitted, I write to the socket and the remote end receives it15:32
Nicd-then it replies back but I never get the reply15:32
Nicd-I connect the readyRead signal to code that uses readAll() but readyRead is never emitted15:33
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Nicd-I SOLVED IT!15:57
Nicd-with 5 minutes remaining in hack day15:57
Nicd-problem was my socket wasn't first in a thread. after a while I put it into a QThread but I hadn't created the SailfishApp yet so it complained that it can't use an event loop15:58
Nicd-so in my main() I had to first QGuiApplication* app = SailfishApp::application(argc, argv);, then create the socket and the QThread, then return app->exec(); and it works15:58
locusfany quick way to reinstall Mer SDK VM?16:02
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antoniolatianohello people16:19
Stskeepshello hello16:20
locusfStskeeps: I fixed the problem by reinstalling whole Sailfish SDK16:21
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antoniolatianoI think this question has been asked 1000 times16:22
Stskeepslocusf: okay16:22
Stskeepsantoniolatiano: 999 only16:22
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antoniolatianobut it's "normal" for this build that i can't abilitate the 3rd-party app installations?16:23
locusfStskeeps: would have been cool to figure out the root cause but ran out of patience :)16:23
Stskeepsantoniolatiano: yes16:23
antoniolatianonow are 1000 :-)16:23
Stskeepsantoniolatiano: just rpm -i from terminal16:23
antoniolatianook thanks16:23
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coderus < any ideas?16:25
antoniolatianonow my SailfishOS experience is complete16:26
coderusfixed by chmod 0600, but why its happened?16:29
locusfcoderus: during Sailfish installing the device I guess16:31
locusftoo lax permissions at that stage16:31
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coderusSDK shoot the leg :D16:36
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fluxhere's the webcam streaming (for multi-part jpeg streams) program I just wrote&presented at jolla hack day:
fluxthanks to coderus for excellent pointers :)16:47
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coderusflux: well done :)16:52
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tehdelyHI @ ALL17:36
tehdelyanyone running ohijarvi on their n9?  what works17:36
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coderustehdely: nobody18:09
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coderussd_journal. anybody can help me?18:10
coderusi pushed data to journal with file, line etc. information, but journalctl -a path displaying weird formatted data18:10
coderuswith no function, line, etc...18:10
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radekp_hi, anyone has idea why CPU does not enter idle state while the phone is charging?18:26
radekp_because of this my TOH solar charger is currently discharger, because CPU consumes all the power that solar panel generates18:27
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Turskiradekp_: because it was tought to be not needed18:30
radekp_Turski: hi, thanks, can i somehow override the behaviour?18:30
Turskii don't know... probably at least somehow over sysfs18:31
Turskior mcetool?18:31
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radekp_Turski: oki, i'll try to search some, i wonder if there are some docs about mcetool?18:35
Turskiradekp_: i have no idea18:35
radekp_oki, thanks18:36
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Eztranmcetool --set-suspend-policy=enabled might do it, providing that's how the change is made when the device is charging. Don't know if that's how they do it or if it's ignored completely when charging, though.18:41
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coderusdoes Jolla powered by power supply when charging? mostly phones continue powering by battery while it charging18:48
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radekp_any idea how do i install mcetool?18:54
radekp_pkcon install mce-tools18:55
radekp_got it :)18:55
radekp_still the CPU wont enter idle18:57
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NewShewzSo I wanted to ask about buying a phone to put Sailfish on. Would it be more helpful to buy a nexus 4 and start testing or would it be mnore help getting something like a nexus 5 or a moto g and helping with HW Porting?20:30
NewShewzI've already offered to do documentation or something to sledges. I thought I had a viable Xperia Z but the bootloader is unlockable and the carrier is being unhelpful (in Canada where they are allowed to do that sort of thing)20:31
NewShewzI've created an Arch VM that I was going to start doing some poking around in the source and some direction in that regard would sure be helpful20:32
NewShewzOR should I be looking at qt app dev?20:32
stephgwhat's your background NewShewz?20:34
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NewShewzWindows Software Dev. 20 years. Just picked up freebsd and arch about 9 months ago...20:35
NewShewzbut I work at a company that does embeded linux so I have a TON of support if i need it20:35
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NewShewzI have a fair understanding of aproximately what needs to happen but the specifics are a little blury.20:36
NewShewzAnyway, I just want to stick it to the carriers now so I will do whatever I can to help.20:37
stephgwell here's the right place to ask (but everyone seems to be having dinner)20:37
NewShewzokay, I was wondering. I'm in Canada. Are the majority oif you in Europe?20:37
stephgpeople are smattered all over the world but a fair number of folks are in europe yeah20:37
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NewShewzI'm new to IRC. Do my questions stick around or do people have to be actively watching to see them?20:38
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Nicd-they can see them later if they've been on the channel20:39
stephgpeople will see them if they're the channel20:39
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Nicd-and if they scroll up20:39
Nicd-I'm too lazy for that20:39
mikmanewshewz: usually if you "highlight" some person with nick, they can see it somehow in the log20:39
Nicd-too many channels anyeay20:39
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NewShewzOkay, I understand now. So as long as the client is logged into that channel20:40
stephgif you want to be able to use a phone soonish (and don't want to buy a jolla ;) then probably an n420:40
mikmaprivate messages also work, /msg nick hello this is my message20:40
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NewShewzAn N4 is impossible to come by here in Canada.20:41
NewShewzThat and most phones are locked so my choices are pretty limited.20:41
stephgwhen the n5 came out the prices skyrocketed20:42
stephg(of the n4)20:42
NewShewzI've got a line on ONE N4 here in Victoria. Like I say, I just want to be as helpful as I can20:43
NewShewzSo would user testing an N4 be more helpful then?20:43
NewShewzOr buying something that isn't supported yet and get involved in the porting process?20:44
NewShewzI lied, TWO n4's here. lol20:44
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stephgso the hardware adaptation documentation isn't 'out' yet20:45
NewShewzSure, that's my question. Where would I be the most help? Should I buy a Moto G and help you flesh out the adaption doc? Should I buy an N4 and help with user tests and app dev?20:47
stephgsorry, not trying to be deliberately vague, but I don't know really what's the best answer to tell you (I'm only community)20:47
stephgwith regards to the porting right now the jolla folks are working with what they have to hand20:47
stephgfrom what I understand documentation for porting to basically other CMs (e.g 11 for the n5 etc.) should be straight forward once that doc is done20:48
stephgthat's all that was said here20:48
stephgbut I don't know how involved that is, and to what degree straight forward means20:48
stephgso mean time if you want to help 'now' then yeah an N420:49
stephgfailling that it looks like an S3 is another option20:50
stephgbeing the state of play at the moment20:50
NewShewzI saw that in the email for the n4. Cyenogenmod first, then flash the sailfish img file over top20:50
stephgyeah:- things are currently only coupled with CM 10.1.320:50
NewShewzRight, that's for Bionic and EGL translation.20:50
stephgyeah, all the hardware interaction20:51
NewShewzOkay, so you're saying there is still a fair bit of work left on the platform in this adoption roadmap so stick with one of these. e.g. the n420:53
stephgat the moment, yeah20:54
NewShewzperfect, that's what I needed to know20:54
stephghope I've been able to answer some of your questions satisfactorily!20:55
NewShewz+1 :)20:55
NewShewzSo is there any plans on moving away from the Android kernel and towards something that doesn't require a translation layer?20:57
stephgit's a pragmatic choice at the moment20:58
stephglong term if sailfish is successful enough then device manufacturers will hopefully offer drivers for things other than android20:58
stephgbut that's really where the pain is right now20:59
EztranJolla are even using hybris on their own device, which suggests exactly how difficult it is to get well-supported drivers otherwise right now.20:59
stephgright, got to go pick up the wife20:59
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NewShewzI see. Has there been any testing to see what kind of performance hit the translation is causing?21:01
stephgit's very light I understand21:02
NewShewzThat's good news. Okay here's another question out of left field: Since both BB10 apps and Sailfish are using qt, is there any thoughts towards supporting BB10 apps?21:04
NewShewzI forget what their SDK is called...21:04
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EztranBB10 uses Cascades, they'd probably be a pain to support.21:04
NewShewzbut techinically it should be possible?>21:04
NewShewzWhat aboutt he otehr way: lipstick to BB10?21:04
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NewShewzGotta reboot. Be Right Back...21:09
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coderusis cascades opensource?21:10
Eztrandon't think so, which would kinda stuff that idea.21:11
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NewShewzSo where does the Alien Davlik live in Sailfish? Is it part of mer?21:35
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NewShewzSo it's a stand alone vm?21:38
tbrit's a runtime21:39
tbra windowed one21:39
NewShewzmeaning it presents a UI or does the term windowed have a different context?21:40
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NewShewzI guess I don't quite understand what is included in mer? Is mer analogous to gnu?21:41
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NewShewzIs there any documentation to decribe what is incldued in mer? (wayland, qt?)21:42
stephgmer is the core of it21:43
stephglet me find the slide21:43
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NewShewzI see. Are all the "jolla" parts written against qt?21:45
NewShewzis libhybris included in mer? It's not specific21:46
NewShewzoops, kids are up. That's it for my playtime unfotuntely. :(21:46
NewShewzso... many... questions... lol. Later!21:47
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stephgjolla ux (silica is) against qt yes21:48
stephghybris is the hw adaptation but in principle need not be21:48
stephgthey're of varying openness, the rest in the middle is entirely open21:49
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coderusmaybe port AOSP to Jolla? :D21:54
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zonHey guys, I don't know how often this has been asked before but are there any plans to allow the usage of the Alien Dalvik feature on non-Jolla phones (maybe by purchasing a license from the Jolla App Store)?22:46
Stskeepszon: i wouldn't say it's impossible that the devices would have an android runtime in the future22:46
Stskeepsi just don't want to promise it until it's real :)22:46
Yanielapp store needs paid app support anyway22:47
zonThat would be great :)22:47
zonStill waiting for a SailfishOS build for my Galaxy Nexus :)22:47
coderusi think Dalvik should be licensed for that purpose, and it became available as soon as it will be resolved :)22:48
Stskeepscoderus: the real problem is more about counting and technical tbh22:48
Stskeepsif we give sailfish to a device, it's a zero earned money as such, if we start giving things we'll then pay for, then it becomes negative amount per non-jolla sailfish device.22:49
Stskeepsso you have to find ways to weigh that up22:49
Stskeepsa device has a software BOM/bill of materials just like it has it for hardware :)22:50
coderuspaid alien dalvik in Jolla Store for Android :)22:50
Stskeepssome might argue that giving away some features for free, if you're able to count them, is okay, to gain growth..22:51
coderusbut it will be hacked faster than positive amount reached :D22:51
coderusandroid hacking scene is proactive22:51
zonHey! :p22:52
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coderusbuy Jolla phone and get Aliend Dalvik support to your SailfishOS for Android with %0% off :D22:52
coderus50% *22:52
coderusbest idea ever :D22:53
Stskeepsbuy a jolla for your friend, get a free alien dalvik .. ;)22:53
coderusyou will sell more Jolla and more Dalvik activations =)22:53
coderushehe :)22:53
* coderus suredoc *22:54
coderusomg i just reversed my nickname22:55
coderusomg omg omg!!!22:55
coderusits sleep time, bye-bye :D22:56
stephgme also22:56
stephgnight folks, catch you in the morning22:56
Hartzihey doc!23:04
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simpleeglHi everyone23:26
simpleeglHow can I compile this code under  mersdk   This is a 3D graphics code under wayland23:26
simpleeglgeting some erro23:27
Yanieland we know perfectly what is wrong from that description23:28
simpleeglFollowing code: [SB2 sdk-build SailfishOS-i486-x86] I have no name!@SailfishSDK clients $ gcc -o gerac gears.c -I /srv/mer/targets/SailfishOS-i486-x86/usr/include/cairo -L /srv/mer/targets/SailfishOS-i486-x86/usr/lib -lm -lwayland-client -lcairo -lEGL -lGL                                          gears.c:41:1: error: expected '=', ',', ';', 'asm' or '__attribute__' before 'struct' gears.c: In function 'update_fps': gears.c:223:28
simpleeglgears.c:212:7: error: 'struct gears' has no member named 'frames' gears.c:214:24: error: 'struct gears' has no member named 'last_fps' gears.c:218:20: error: 'struct gears' has no member named 'frames' gears.c:220:59: error: 'struct gears' has no member named 'frames'23:28
Yanielplease pastebin long chunks of text23:28
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simpleeglThe text is too long to be issued23:31
simpleeglAll the header files and libraries are included but still had undefined term23:31
simpleeglgears.c:441:7: error: 'struct gears' has no member named 'last_fps' gears.c:458:28: error: 'struct gears' has no member named 'window' gears.c:459:33: error: 'struct gears' has no member named 'widget' gears.c:460:33: error: 'struct gears' has no member named 'widget' gears.c:461:33: error: 'struct gears' has no member named 'widget' gears.c:462:33: error: 'struct gears' has no member named 'widget' gears.c:463:41: error: 'str23:32
Yanieluse a pastebin for long chunks of text...23:37
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simpleegl   The complete error message23:44
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simpleeglSource code should not be wrong23:50
simpleeglIt is provided by the official wayland23:50
Yanielmaybe you should take a look at the lines of code it mentions23:53
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simpleeglWhich line?23:57
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