Monday, 2014-03-31

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louisdkI'm quite queries. What happens if you press the home button on a SG3 running Sailfish OS. Will it do something at all?01:32
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jussiMorning peoples06:31
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* zoldyck installed an Aloe TOH but where are the new ringtones?07:00
zoldyckI only see the visual ambience changed ))07:01
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ln-zoldyck: you can hear it when the phone rings07:02
zoldyckah, really07:02
zoldyckit's still called jolla-ringtone though ))07:03
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ln-artemma: btw, it seems that the latest release of helloworld-pro is not tagged on github. (as there is no automatically available .zip/.tar.gz for it)07:16
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artemmaln-: yeah.. I guess you are right. Thing is there is no stable practice for the release. I really care about tagging the code only07:18
artemmait is more of a dev example you know07:18
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artemmaThough probably it is a good idea to make sure binaries are added to and tagged same, will try following in the future07:18
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Nicd-hey artemma, just a small suggestion for future presentations on Sailfish development (if you plan on any), maybe you could somehow highlight or differentiate the steps that are required only when using your helloworld pro template (like installing python?)07:19
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artemmaNicd-: yeah, could be a good idea, thanks. Right now, I think installing Python it is the only step out of minimal SDK set07:26
Nicd-anyway, thanks for the presentation and helping people out at hack day :)07:30
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Nicd-and I did fix the socket problem I mentioned to you at the end (with 5 minutes to spare :D)07:31
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* sledges backs and waves to jussi's dir08:37
faeniltbr, o/08:40
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tbrmoo faenil08:41
jussisledges: how's audio going for N4 calls?08:42
sledgesit's quiet ;P08:42
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carepack;) lol08:45
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jussisledges: well played :P08:59
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* sledges dromrolls09:06
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fluxhow do people package QML components for others to use?10:02
fluxjust make a library, they call its initializer and go on from there?10:02
flux(for the store of course they would need to add it to the app)10:03
Sfiet_Konstantinflux: this is done in yaml / spec level10:03
Sfiet_Konstantinor are you speaking about the dev part ?10:03
fluxthe dev part10:03
fluxI'm thinking I might have use for a general webcam viewing app and in addition for a special-case app with specialized features10:04
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Stskeepsgood morning10:25
carepackmoning sts...10:26
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jussimorning Stskeeps :)10:29
Stskeepsjussi: how's the testing going10:29
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jussiStskeeps: reasonably well. some things very annoying, but most of those are just missng functionality that is provided on a real jolla10:30
StskeepsOS is fairly complete, hw adaptation less so10:31
Stskeepsmorn vans0110:34
vans01Well, I've found one issue, seems to be reproducable:10:34
vans01(nexus 4, btw)10:34
vans01If I reboot the device, APN got lost and reset for the default opertaros one10:34
jussiStskeeps: havent yet got some of the jolla things down yet, like getting from notification to message easily10:35
Stskeepsvesurivs: hmm that's interesting10:35
Stskeepsjussi: well, events view10:35
Stskeepsvans01: interesting, SIM perhaps?10:35
vans01Stskeeps, may be10:35
Stskeepswe change around the whole provisioning stuff in next update(s) so that may be fixed there10:36
vans01I can try some special things to reveal the real reason why this happen, if you tell me what to test/do)10:37
Stskeepshmm perhaps ofono debugging10:37
jussiStskeeps: I received a N7000 today also, so yet another porting platform :)10:39
Stskeepsn7000 ?10:39
Stskeepsvans01:  Enable ofonod logging: add "-d" to ofono launch parameters in following file:10:39
Stskeepsfile: $vi /var/lib/environment/ofono/noplugin.conf10:39
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Stskeepsexample row where -d is appended: OFONO_ARGS=--noplugin=dun_gw,hfp,hfp_ag -d10:39
jussiStskeeps: galaxy note (original)10:39
Stskeepsvans01: and reboot10:40
jussipeople seem to be passing me old hw like no tomorrow - now I have 5 phones between 2 people10:40
vans01The interseting thing is that APN is reset to someapn.operator.domain intstead of anotherapn.operator.domain, that's really looks like some default in the SIM. Btw, someapn is real apn, but is for the other devices/operator plans.10:40
vans01Stskeeps, ok, I'll do it...]10:41
jussiStskeeps: btw, is there any way to get a VLC or somethign $similar on here? (ie. somethign that plays .ts files) ?10:43
Stskeepsjussi: no clue, we only provide open source and royalty free codecs on n410:44
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jussiStskeeps: yeah, ok fair enough10:44
stephgts are normally mpeg 2 no?10:44
chem|sthey o/10:44
stephgor does hdtv mean they're now mp4 of some variation...10:45
stephgs/they're/they can also be/10:45
vans01Stskeeps, well. I've no /var/lib/environment/ofono/noplugin.conf and even /var/lib/environment/ofono/ . Should I create it?10:45
Stskeepsvans01: hmmmmmm10:46
chem|stI had a borked ofono/SIM conversation last week, which could not be set straight by restarting software (I did not reboot, on purpose), only triggering the SIM-slot button made it reset to normal10:46
vans01Stskeeps, well, either way I gonna make full reset and reinstall, to have really clean system and then I'll test.10:47
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vans01To exclude possible bugs of some previous misconfiguration or other things.....10:48
jussistephg: oh dammit, Ill have to check10:50
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stephgjussi, I may be talking bollocks, it's been ages since I've done anything with a ts stream10:51
Stskeepsvans01: ok, anyway, just create it10:51
jussistephg: yeah, I didnt do my homework ;)10:51
vans01Stskeeps, ok...10:51
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chem|ststephg: ts is mpeg210:53
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vans01Stskeeps, btw, I use ssh connection.... Is there any terminal app that I can use on device? And is there any reason having it, if there is no PC-like keyboard available (isn't there?)?10:53
Stskeepsvans01: fingerterm is there?10:53
vans01Stskeeps, preinstalled?10:54
vans01Wait a sec.10:54
vans01Stskeeps, oops, thx. I've messed things up and though it's an icon for android app from previous install >_<10:55
chem|stdoes anyone fancy my SIM issue or should I just enable general debugging?10:56
Stskeepsdebug good10:56
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Almindorif you have a custom C++ model (QAbstractItemModel or such) how do you access the item's value in the QML delegate? e.g. if I want column 210:58
AlmindorI know how to get custom roles out, isn't there a generic "value" accessor too?10:59
Stskeepsrandom question, did anybody try the n4 image together with sailfish sdk?10:59
carepackyes.sdk detected the device. haven't enough time to push a sample app and look if it's working.11:01
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carepackwas able to set it as target11:03
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Stskeepshello hello11:12
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goroborohi all11:42
goroboroI want to create a button in an application that launches file manager to a particular path... is there an easy way to do this?11:43
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leszekgoroboro: there is no default file manager so its a little bit tricky11:44
goroboroyeah... that was what I was worried about11:44
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goroboroho hum... is there an easy way to check for an application... and if it exists display a button that opens it :D11:46
leszekgoroboro: and my quicktest shows that neither jolla-fileman, harbour-cargodock nor harbour-file-manager support command line arguments for opening in a specific directory11:46
carepacksomebody here who wants to sell his jolla? contact me if.....11:46
goroborotjc request :D11:46
goroborocarepack: good luck with that... I have an old crappy android phone you can have :D11:47
carepacklol... me too11:47
carepackbut thx. maybe I have11:47
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leszekgoroboro: I guess you need c++ and QFile in particular to check for a file as nemo-cutes is not allowed in harbour. This could then send a signal for the button to show up11:47
goroboroleszek: you're making me happier by the second11:48
* goroboro puts his plan on hold for another few weeks :D11:48
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chipieIs there somewhere a howto or manual where the procedure is outlined how to port sailfish os to another device like can be found on cyanogenmod pages??11:50
Stskeepschipie: there will be, called hardware adaptation development kit11:51
Stskeepsbut it's not out yet11:51
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chipiethx Stskeeps is there a road map or release date known for the hardware adaptation kit??11:52
Stskeepschipie: when it's ready :)11:53
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goroborosoon TM11:53
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goroborommmm... I think that it would be nice to have somewhere that documentation requests etc are logged... if it doesn't exist already11:55
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goroboroI'd be happy to do a bit of writing occassionally... its my full-time job anyway... so nothing new to me11:56
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chipieStskeeps: thx, I found something in the following link
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Stskeepsany of you who has a i9305, ooi12:28
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jussiStskeeps: only i9300, if that is useful12:30
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Stskeepsnot too much no12:30
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junnuvishit, I just noticed that my sg3 is i9300 not i9305 :/12:31
leszektoo bad12:32
junnuvidoes i9305 sailfish work at all on i9300?12:32
jussi9305 is the 4g model I think12:32
Stskeepswe haven't tried, yet, but with HADK it should be easier12:33
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junnuviyep, I will test as soon image is out :P12:36
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Sfiet_Konstantindo anyone knows what version on which SailfishOS SDK based on ?12:56
Sfiet_Konstantin1.0.4.20 ?12:56
stephgSfiet_Konstantin, no is much older12:57
Sfiet_Konstantinwanted to build lipstick, and it didn't work so wondering about it12:57
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jake9xx_Sfiet_Konstantin: didn't? did you try in ?13:11
Sfiet_Konstantinjake9xx_: that's what I'm gonna to do yeah, build in OBS13:13
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Stskeepshello o/13:34
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vans01Stskeeps, well, I'm here again... I confirm with the clean device that APN is reset upon reboot. But can't connect to WLAN too: I've got saved network and I have to delete it and rejoin with entering the pass - then it work jsut fine.13:37
vans01Stskeeps, havn't enabled debug yet13:37
vans01Stskeeps, I'll enable it a bit later.13:37
Stskeepsvans01: hmm that works for me13:37
vans01Stskeeps, well.. I'll focus on APN...13:39
Stskeepsyeah, wlan is a bit funny but it shoould work13:39
litew_Have some questions. I'm trying to get SailfishOS working on Motorola Atrix 4g (olympus). Kernel config is fine for mer. Systemd starts on tty0 console (tegrafb), writes a lot of stuff and...nothing happens. How can I get debug output if i don't have any uart cable? Only with /init-debug?13:39
litew_via busybox / telnetd13:40
Stskeepslitew_: it's probably much easier to try to get it working once we publish the hardware adaptation development kit13:41
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litew_Stskeeps: ok, thanks, but I can't wait :D It's so long.13:45
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chipieStskeeps: I did some readings about hardware adaptation in Sailfish/Mer and it boils down to this, if a cyanogenmod system (10.1) can be build for a device Sailfish will run on it??13:55
Stskeepsyes practically, but a bit of grease needed13:55
Stskeepsit becomes much easier13:56
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chipieOK, so investing time in building cyanogen for a device is the first step in the adaptation cycle and the HADK wil plug in in the build tools of cyanogenmod or they will come on top of it??13:59
litew_Mm, and how about ubuntu-phablet? It's cm-10.1 based, but without apk's and java stuff. And it comes with hybris patches already.14:00
Stskeepschipie: well, downloading .zip and testing it is practically easier14:01
Stskeepswe generate a very small overlay14:01
Stskeepsthat sits on top of a cyanogenmod installation14:01
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Stskeepsyou wouldn't need to do a full cyanogenmod build or checkout14:01
chipieStskeeps: Yes I understand it's easier but it would be nice if a new device comes out you can actually build Sailfish from scratch. Is it possible to test the HADK, what is ready that is??14:05
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Stskeepschipie: when it's ready :) we are waiting for some stamps14:05
Stskeepsand you don't have to build sailfish from scratch, just hw adaptation14:06
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Stskeepsyou combine a sailfishos release with any adaptation14:06
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chipieStskeeps: ok it's hard to wait lol. I'm doing security related applications with (open)PGP/SSH, IPsec etc. and we want to migrate applications from BB so reviewing source codes is part of the job.14:11
Stskeepschipie: yeah.. i hope you know that sailfishos isn't 100% open source, but a large majority is, but UI isn't, but for example browser is.. plus that any modern hardware adaptation has huge amount of binary blobs14:12
Stskeepsdoesn't mean that it's not usable on different devices or available, though14:14
chipieStskeeps: Yes we are aware of the blobs and the security issues they can have but BB is much more closed. There is no device on the market that is 100% opensource, opportunity for Jolla ;-)14:16
zoldyckI don't think Jolla is able to develop their own hardware atm14:18
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chipiezoldyck: if the amount of preordered phones is big enough it can be done.14:22
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stephgoh the multiple messages thing in notifications isn't confined to the messaging app15:25
stephgemail suffers from it too15:25
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Beankyllahow is it going in here? :)16:16
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AcceHow can I set the searchfield not to lose focus when the model is updated?16:28
Accemy model comes straight from c++ as a list of objects16:28
Accesetting currentIndex: -1 doesn't seem to help16:28
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mozgunerhey everyone.I'm an editor on i want to write post about sailfish os. I've i9300 where can i download it from ?18:17
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Stskeepssadly the image is for i9305, and not published yet18:17
mozgunerReally ?18:17
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mozgunerso, does that mean you have no developer got i9300 ?18:18
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Stskeepsyeah, - but when we publish the hardware adaptation development kit it become easier18:19
coderuswhen i'm switching to BackgroundItem instean of custom Rectangle+MouseArea everything fails with "Cannot anchor to an item that isn't a parent or sibling." WTF???18:19
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mozguneranyways , i dont want to write about roms without my experience but your os looks awsome!!! ill write about it :)18:21
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ejjomancoderus: sample?18:22
mozguneri wish the best to all sailfish developers :) see you when you release it for i9300 :)18:23
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coderustry to change to BackgroundItem18:27
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ejjomanwill take a look18:30
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oszika05Can I be one of the early adopters of sailfish os for nexus 4?18:35
Yanielmaybe, /msg sledges18:36
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oszika05Thanks I will try it :D18:38
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ejjomancoderus: use 'parent' instead of item id in backgrounditem / listitem (<-- better for this purpose)18:57
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ejjomanthat is because the content is actually a child in a rectangle, wich is a child of a mousearea (see /usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica/BackgroundItem.qml)18:59
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peterfhi everybody19:09
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peterfi wonder: is it possible to use timedclient-qt5 to have my sailfishos application invoked at a later point in the future?19:10
peterfi see that it is possible to pass an arg called APPLICATION, but if I put the name of another application in there it also triggers the default alarm19:11
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northrupIs the Sailfish OS load available for the Samsung S3 yet?19:55
Stskeepsnot yet19:57
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stephggood eveninginginging20:13
stephgI have chocolate (thought you'd all like to know)20:14
Nicd-I've made a terrible mistake20:14
Nicd-I'm reading IRC logs from 2005 or so20:14
Nicd-and I'm stuck20:15
stephgwhich channel?20:15
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Nicd-all of them20:16
stephgyou're going to be a while20:16
Nicd-so many channels that no longer exist. so many people I haven't talked to in years20:16
Nicd-people that used to form my world back then20:16
* stephg gives Nicd- a hug20:17
Stskeepsthey probably all have babies now.20:17
alinany idea when the documentation for do it yourself to install androids will be out?20:18
Stskeepsi have a meeting wednesday on that topic, so not before then..20:19
Nicd-stephg: maybe I'll look back to #jollamobile logs in 2020 and reminisce20:19
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stephgby 2020 some of those babies will have joined...20:20
* stephg leaves the question of whether there'll be IRC in 6 years time alone...20:21
alinStskeeps: ok... then is important how far away from wednesday... I need to plan my holidays to play20:21
Stskeepsorder is n4, i9305, HADK20:21
Stskeepsi9305 and updated n4 would probably coincide with next jolla update20:22
Nicd-stephg: hopefully IRC 2 by then. with SSL and less netsplits20:22
stephgStskeeps, i9305 is the 4G SIII right?20:22
Stskeepsthis is irc 2, fwiw20:23
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Stskeepsirc 3 is what's coming and prolly never will20:23
Stskeepsirc 2 supports ssl fine20:23
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Nicd-Stskeeps: well yeah, but SSL support and usage is pretty rare20:24
Nicd-it should be mandatory ;)20:24
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ZenetHey everyone, can I ask someone a question about telnet into sailfish?20:38
cvpwhy not ?20:39
Yaniel"don't ask to ask, just ask your real question"20:40
ZenetI tried to telnet, and I got an IP, but putty always give me a connection denied and windows says it just can't connect20:40
Nicd-try SSH instead of telnet20:40
Zenethmm same thing20:40
cvpuser:nemo ?20:41
Yanielis developer mode & developer mode ssh enabled on the device?20:41
lbtYaniel: too fast ...20:41
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Zenethmm, i'll reboot my pc for a sec. so weird this20:45
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cvppuh ... the reboot take long :D20:54
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coderusejjoman: thanks :)21:04
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kimmoliOT but...
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ejjomancoderus: :)21:36
raa70kimmoli: Y U NOT point to for source21:38
* satmd smiles21:38
kimmolitake a snickers, better
raa70well, I'm _pretty sure_ I posted that in this very channel in ~thursdayish....21:41
raa70and I'm that Nazi who doesn't like a "news" site link which is basically just an embed youtube video21:44
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kimmoliyep, my bad, repost ..  [2014-03-27 22:53:09] <raa70>
* kimmoli goes zZZzzz now . GN21:45
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stephgnight kimmoli21:45
stephgme too for bed21:45
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stephg_jI'm back!21:48
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stephg_j(only because the store crashed in a particularly odd way)21:50
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