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louisdk | I'm quite queries. What happens if you press the home button on a SG3 running Sailfish OS. Will it do something at all? | 01:32 |
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jussi | Morning peoples | 06:31 |
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carepack | morning;) | 06:59 |
* zoldyck installed an Aloe TOH but where are the new ringtones? | 07:00 | |
zoldyck | I only see the visual ambience changed )) | 07:01 |
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ln- | zoldyck: you can hear it when the phone rings | 07:02 |
zoldyck | ah, really | 07:02 |
zoldyck | it's still called jolla-ringtone though )) | 07:03 |
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ln- | artemma: btw, it seems that the latest release of helloworld-pro is not tagged on github. (as there is no automatically available .zip/.tar.gz for it) | 07:16 |
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artemma | ln-: yeah.. I guess you are right. Thing is there is no stable practice for the release. I really care about tagging the code only | 07:18 |
artemma | it is more of a dev example you know | 07:18 |
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artemma | Though probably it is a good idea to make sure binaries are added to and tagged same, will try following in the future | 07:18 |
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Nicd- | hey artemma, just a small suggestion for future presentations on Sailfish development (if you plan on any), maybe you could somehow highlight or differentiate the steps that are required only when using your helloworld pro template (like installing python?) | 07:19 |
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artemma | Nicd-: yeah, could be a good idea, thanks. Right now, I think installing Python it is the only step out of minimal SDK set | 07:26 |
Nicd- | anyway, thanks for the presentation and helping people out at hack day :) | 07:30 |
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Nicd- | and I did fix the socket problem I mentioned to you at the end (with 5 minutes to spare :D) | 07:31 |
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* sledges backs and waves to jussi's dir | 08:37 | |
tbr | moaning | 08:38 |
faenil | tbr, o/ | 08:40 |
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tbr | moo faenil | 08:41 |
jussi | sledges: how's audio going for N4 calls? | 08:42 |
sledges | it's quiet ;P | 08:42 |
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carepack | ;) lol | 08:45 |
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jussi | sledges: well played :P | 08:59 |
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flux | how do people package QML components for others to use? | 10:02 |
flux | just make a library, they call its initializer and go on from there? | 10:02 |
flux | (for the store of course they would need to add it to the app) | 10:03 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | flux: this is done in yaml / spec level | 10:03 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | or are you speaking about the dev part ? | 10:03 |
flux | the dev part | 10:03 |
flux | qml+c++-code | 10:04 |
flux | I'm thinking I might have use for a general webcam viewing app and in addition for a special-case app with specialized features | 10:04 |
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Stskeeps | good morning | 10:25 |
carepack | moning sts... | 10:26 |
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jussi | morning Stskeeps :) | 10:29 |
Stskeeps | jussi: how's the testing going | 10:29 |
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jussi | Stskeeps: reasonably well. some things very annoying, but most of those are just missng functionality that is provided on a real jolla | 10:30 |
Stskeeps | nod | 10:30 |
Stskeeps | OS is fairly complete, hw adaptation less so | 10:31 |
vans01 | morning | 10:34 |
Stskeeps | morn vans01 | 10:34 |
vans01 | Well, I've found one issue, seems to be reproducable: | 10:34 |
vans01 | (nexus 4, btw) | 10:34 |
vans01 | If I reboot the device, APN got lost and reset for the default opertaros one | 10:34 |
vans01 | *operator's | 10:35 |
jussi | Stskeeps: havent yet got some of the jolla things down yet, like getting from notification to message easily | 10:35 |
Stskeeps | vesurivs: hmm that's interesting | 10:35 |
Stskeeps | jussi: well, events view | 10:35 |
Stskeeps | errr | 10:35 |
Stskeeps | vans01: interesting, SIM perhaps? | 10:35 |
vans01 | Stskeeps, may be | 10:35 |
Stskeeps | we change around the whole provisioning stuff in next update(s) so that may be fixed there | 10:36 |
vans01 | I can try some special things to reveal the real reason why this happen, if you tell me what to test/do) | 10:37 |
Stskeeps | hmm perhaps ofono debugging | 10:37 |
Stskeeps | hang | 10:37 |
jussi | Stskeeps: I received a N7000 today also, so yet another porting platform :) | 10:39 |
Stskeeps | n7000 ? | 10:39 |
Stskeeps | vans01: Enable ofonod logging: add "-d" to ofono launch parameters in following file: | 10:39 |
Stskeeps | file: $vi /var/lib/environment/ofono/noplugin.conf | 10:39 |
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Stskeeps | example row where -d is appended: OFONO_ARGS=--noplugin=dun_gw,hfp,hfp_ag -d | 10:39 |
jussi | Stskeeps: galaxy note (original) | 10:39 |
Stskeeps | ah | 10:39 |
Stskeeps | vans01: and reboot | 10:40 |
jussi | people seem to be passing me old hw like no tomorrow - now I have 5 phones between 2 people | 10:40 |
vans01 | The interseting thing is that APN is reset to someapn.operator.domain intstead of anotherapn.operator.domain, that's really looks like some default in the SIM. Btw, someapn is real apn, but is for the other devices/operator plans. | 10:40 |
vans01 | Stskeeps, ok, I'll do it...] | 10:41 |
jussi | http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_note_n7000-4135.php | 10:41 |
jussi | Stskeeps: btw, is there any way to get a VLC or somethign $similar on here? (ie. somethign that plays .ts files) ? | 10:43 |
Stskeeps | jussi: no clue, we only provide open source and royalty free codecs on n4 | 10:44 |
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jussi | Stskeeps: yeah, ok fair enough | 10:44 |
stephg | ts are normally mpeg 2 no? | 10:44 |
chem|st | hey o/ | 10:44 |
stephg | or does hdtv mean they're now mp4 of some variation... | 10:45 |
stephg | s/they're/they can also be/ | 10:45 |
vans01 | Stskeeps, well. I've no /var/lib/environment/ofono/noplugin.conf and even /var/lib/environment/ofono/ . Should I create it? | 10:45 |
Stskeeps | vans01: hmmmmmm | 10:46 |
chem|st | I had a borked ofono/SIM conversation last week, which could not be set straight by restarting software (I did not reboot, on purpose), only triggering the SIM-slot button made it reset to normal | 10:46 |
vans01 | Stskeeps, well, either way I gonna make full reset and reinstall, to have really clean system and then I'll test. | 10:47 |
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vans01 | To exclude possible bugs of some previous misconfiguration or other things..... | 10:48 |
jussi | stephg: oh dammit, Ill have to check | 10:50 |
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stephg | jussi, I may be talking bollocks, it's been ages since I've done anything with a ts stream | 10:51 |
Stskeeps | vans01: ok, anyway, just create it | 10:51 |
jussi | stephg: yeah, I didnt do my homework ;) | 10:51 |
vans01 | Stskeeps, ok... | 10:51 |
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chem|st | stephg: ts is mpeg2 | 10:53 |
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vans01 | Stskeeps, btw, I use ssh connection.... Is there any terminal app that I can use on device? And is there any reason having it, if there is no PC-like keyboard available (isn't there?)? | 10:53 |
Stskeeps | vans01: fingerterm is there? | 10:53 |
vans01 | Stskeeps, preinstalled? | 10:54 |
Stskeeps | yes | 10:54 |
vans01 | hm... | 10:54 |
vans01 | Wait a sec. | 10:54 |
vans01 | O_O | 10:54 |
vans01 | Stskeeps, oops, thx. I've messed things up and though it's an icon for android app from previous install >_< | 10:55 |
Stskeeps | ah | 10:55 |
chem|st | does anyone fancy my SIM issue or should I just enable general debugging? | 10:56 |
Stskeeps | debug good | 10:56 |
chem|st | syslog? | 10:57 |
Stskeeps | journal | 10:57 |
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Almindor | if you have a custom C++ model (QAbstractItemModel or such) how do you access the item's value in the QML delegate? e.g. if I want column 2 | 10:58 |
Almindor | I know how to get custom roles out, isn't there a generic "value" accessor too? | 10:59 |
Stskeeps | random question, did anybody try the n4 image together with sailfish sdk? | 10:59 |
carepack | yes.sdk detected the device. haven't enough time to push a sample app and look if it's working. | 11:01 |
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carepack | was able to set it as target | 11:03 |
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leszek | hi | 11:11 |
Stskeeps | hello hello | 11:12 |
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goroboro | hi all | 11:42 |
goroboro | I want to create a button in an application that launches file manager to a particular path... is there an easy way to do this? | 11:43 |
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leszek | goroboro: there is no default file manager so its a little bit tricky | 11:44 |
goroboro | yeah... that was what I was worried about | 11:44 |
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goroboro | ho hum... is there an easy way to check for an application... and if it exists display a button that opens it :D | 11:46 |
leszek | goroboro: and my quicktest shows that neither jolla-fileman, harbour-cargodock nor harbour-file-manager support command line arguments for opening in a specific directory | 11:46 |
carepack | somebody here who wants to sell his jolla? contact me if..... | 11:46 |
goroboro | tjc request :D | 11:46 |
goroboro | carepack: good luck with that... I have an old crappy android phone you can have :D | 11:47 |
carepack | lol... me too | 11:47 |
carepack | but thx. maybe I have | 11:47 |
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leszek | goroboro: I guess you need c++ and QFile in particular to check for a file as nemo-cutes is not allowed in harbour. This could then send a signal for the button to show up | 11:47 |
goroboro | leszek: you're making me happier by the second | 11:48 |
* goroboro puts his plan on hold for another few weeks :D | 11:48 | |
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chipie | Is there somewhere a howto or manual where the procedure is outlined how to port sailfish os to another device like can be found on cyanogenmod pages?? | 11:50 |
Stskeeps | chipie: there will be, called hardware adaptation development kit | 11:51 |
Stskeeps | but it's not out yet | 11:51 |
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chipie | thx Stskeeps is there a road map or release date known for the hardware adaptation kit?? | 11:52 |
Stskeeps | chipie: when it's ready :) | 11:53 |
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goroboro | soon TM | 11:53 |
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goroboro | mmmm... I think that it would be nice to have somewhere that documentation requests etc are logged... if it doesn't exist already | 11:55 |
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goroboro | I'd be happy to do a bit of writing occassionally... its my full-time job anyway... so nothing new to me | 11:56 |
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chipie | Stskeeps: thx, I found something in the following link http://forum.xda-developers.com/jolla-sailfish/general/sailfish-android-devices-release-t2696409 | 12:04 |
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Stskeeps | any of you who has a i9305, ooi | 12:28 |
Stskeeps | ? | 12:28 |
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jussi | Stskeeps: only i9300, if that is useful | 12:30 |
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Stskeeps | not too much no | 12:30 |
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junnuvi | shit, I just noticed that my sg3 is i9300 not i9305 :/ | 12:31 |
leszek | too bad | 12:32 |
junnuvi | does i9305 sailfish work at all on i9300? | 12:32 |
jussi | 9305 is the 4g model I think | 12:32 |
Stskeeps | we haven't tried, yet, but with HADK it should be easier | 12:33 |
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junnuvi | yep, I will test as soon image is out :P | 12:36 |
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Sfiet_Konstantin | do anyone knows what version on which SailfishOS SDK based on ? | 12:56 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | 1.0.4.20 ? | 12:56 |
stephg | Sfiet_Konstantin, no is much older | 12:57 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | :( | 12:57 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | wanted to build lipstick, and it didn't work so wondering about it | 12:57 |
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jake9xx_ | Sfiet_Konstantin: didn't? did you try in merproject.org ? | 13:11 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | jake9xx_: that's what I'm gonna to do yeah, build in OBS | 13:13 |
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litew_ | Hi. | 13:34 |
sledges | hello | 13:34 |
Stskeeps | hello o/ | 13:34 |
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vans01 | Stskeeps, well, I'm here again... I confirm with the clean device that APN is reset upon reboot. But can't connect to WLAN too: I've got saved network and I have to delete it and rejoin with entering the pass - then it work jsut fine. | 13:37 |
vans01 | Stskeeps, havn't enabled debug yet | 13:37 |
vans01 | Stskeeps, I'll enable it a bit later. | 13:37 |
Stskeeps | vans01: hmm that works for me | 13:37 |
vans01 | Stskeeps, well.. I'll focus on APN... | 13:39 |
Stskeeps | yeah, wlan is a bit funny but it shoould work | 13:39 |
litew_ | Have some questions. I'm trying to get SailfishOS working on Motorola Atrix 4g (olympus). Kernel config is fine for mer. Systemd starts on tty0 console (tegrafb), writes a lot of stuff and...nothing happens. How can I get debug output if i don't have any uart cable? Only with /init-debug? | 13:39 |
litew_ | via busybox / telnetd | 13:40 |
Stskeeps | litew_: it's probably much easier to try to get it working once we publish the hardware adaptation development kit | 13:41 |
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litew_ | Stskeeps: ok, thanks, but I can't wait :D It's so long. | 13:45 |
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chipie | Stskeeps: I did some readings about hardware adaptation in Sailfish/Mer and it boils down to this, if a cyanogenmod system (10.1) can be build for a device Sailfish will run on it?? | 13:55 |
Stskeeps | yes practically, but a bit of grease needed | 13:55 |
Stskeeps | it becomes much easier | 13:56 |
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chipie | OK, so investing time in building cyanogen for a device is the first step in the adaptation cycle and the HADK wil plug in in the build tools of cyanogenmod or they will come on top of it?? | 13:59 |
litew_ | Mm, and how about ubuntu-phablet? It's cm-10.1 based, but without apk's and java stuff. And it comes with hybris patches already. | 14:00 |
Stskeeps | chipie: well, downloading .zip and testing it is practically easier | 14:01 |
Stskeeps | we generate a very small overlay | 14:01 |
Stskeeps | that sits on top of a cyanogenmod installation | 14:01 |
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Stskeeps | you wouldn't need to do a full cyanogenmod build or checkout | 14:01 |
chipie | Stskeeps: Yes I understand it's easier but it would be nice if a new device comes out you can actually build Sailfish from scratch. Is it possible to test the HADK, what is ready that is?? | 14:05 |
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Stskeeps | chipie: when it's ready :) we are waiting for some stamps | 14:05 |
Stskeeps | and you don't have to build sailfish from scratch, just hw adaptation | 14:06 |
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Stskeeps | you combine a sailfishos release with any adaptation | 14:06 |
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chipie | Stskeeps: ok it's hard to wait lol. I'm doing security related applications with (open)PGP/SSH, IPsec etc. and we want to migrate applications from BB so reviewing source codes is part of the job. | 14:11 |
Stskeeps | chipie: yeah.. i hope you know that sailfishos isn't 100% open source, but a large majority is, but UI isn't, but for example browser is.. plus that any modern hardware adaptation has huge amount of binary blobs | 14:12 |
Stskeeps | doesn't mean that it's not usable on different devices or available, though | 14:14 |
chipie | Stskeeps: Yes we are aware of the blobs and the security issues they can have but BB is much more closed. There is no device on the market that is 100% opensource, opportunity for Jolla ;-) | 14:16 |
zoldyck | I don't think Jolla is able to develop their own hardware atm | 14:18 |
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sledges | +1 | 14:21 |
chipie | zoldyck: if the amount of preordered phones is big enough it can be done. | 14:22 |
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stephg | oh the multiple messages thing in notifications isn't confined to the messaging app | 15:25 |
stephg | email suffers from it too | 15:25 |
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Beankylla | hello | 16:16 |
Beankylla | how is it going in here? :) | 16:16 |
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stephg | ohai! | 16:17 |
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Acce | How can I set the searchfield not to lose focus when the model is updated? | 16:28 |
Acce | my model comes straight from c++ as a list of objects | 16:28 |
Acce | setting currentIndex: -1 doesn't seem to help | 16:28 |
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mozguner | hey everyone.I'm an editor on elektrikport.com i want to write post about sailfish os. I've i9300 where can i download it from ? | 18:17 |
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Stskeeps | sadly the image is for i9305, and not published yet | 18:17 |
mozguner | Really ? | 18:17 |
Stskeeps | yeah | 18:18 |
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mozguner | so, does that mean you have no developer got i9300 ? | 18:18 |
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Stskeeps | yeah, - but when we publish the hardware adaptation development kit it become easier | 18:19 |
coderus | when i'm switching to BackgroundItem instean of custom Rectangle+MouseArea everything fails with "Cannot anchor to an item that isn't a parent or sibling." WTF??? | 18:19 |
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mozguner | anyways , i dont want to write about roms without my experience but your os looks awsome!!! ill write about it :) | 18:21 |
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ejjoman | coderus: sample? | 18:22 |
mozguner | i wish the best to all sailfish developers :) see you when you release it for i9300 :) | 18:23 |
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coderus | ejjoman: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu/blob/master/persecute2/qml/Roster.qml#L542 | 18:27 |
coderus | try to change to BackgroundItem | 18:27 |
coderus | *magic* | 18:28 |
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ejjoman | will take a look | 18:30 |
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oszika05 | Can I be one of the early adopters of sailfish os for nexus 4? | 18:35 |
Yaniel | maybe, /msg sledges | 18:36 |
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oszika05 | Thanks I will try it :D | 18:38 |
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ejjoman | coderus: use 'parent' instead of item id in backgrounditem / listitem (<-- better for this purpose) | 18:57 |
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ejjoman | that is because the content is actually a child in a rectangle, wich is a child of a mousearea (see /usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica/BackgroundItem.qml) | 18:59 |
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peterf | hi everybody | 19:09 |
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peterf | i wonder: is it possible to use timedclient-qt5 to have my sailfishos application invoked at a later point in the future? | 19:10 |
peterf | i see that it is possible to pass an arg called APPLICATION, but if I put the name of another application in there it also triggers the default alarm | 19:11 |
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northrup | Is the Sailfish OS load available for the Samsung S3 yet? | 19:55 |
Stskeeps | not yet | 19:57 |
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stephg | good eveninginginging | 20:13 |
stephg | I have chocolate (thought you'd all like to know) | 20:14 |
Nicd- | I've made a terrible mistake | 20:14 |
stephg | uhoh | 20:14 |
Nicd- | I'm reading IRC logs from 2005 or so | 20:14 |
Nicd- | and I'm stuck | 20:15 |
stephg | which channel? | 20:15 |
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Nicd- | all of them | 20:16 |
stephg | ah | 20:16 |
stephg | you're going to be a while | 20:16 |
Nicd- | so many channels that no longer exist. so many people I haven't talked to in years | 20:16 |
Nicd- | people that used to form my world back then | 20:16 |
* stephg gives Nicd- a hug | 20:17 | |
Stskeeps | they probably all have babies now. | 20:17 |
alin | any idea when the documentation for do it yourself to install androids will be out? | 20:18 |
stephg | soon? | 20:19 |
Stskeeps | i have a meeting wednesday on that topic, so not before then.. | 20:19 |
Nicd- | stephg: maybe I'll look back to #jollamobile logs in 2020 and reminisce | 20:19 |
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stephg | by 2020 some of those babies will have joined... | 20:20 |
* stephg leaves the question of whether there'll be IRC in 6 years time alone... | 20:21 | |
alin | Stskeeps: ok... then is important how far away from wednesday... I need to plan my holidays to play | 20:21 |
Stskeeps | order is n4, i9305, HADK | 20:21 |
Stskeeps | i9305 and updated n4 would probably coincide with next jolla update | 20:22 |
Nicd- | stephg: hopefully IRC 2 by then. with SSL and less netsplits | 20:22 |
stephg | Stskeeps, i9305 is the 4G SIII right? | 20:22 |
Stskeeps | this is irc 2, fwiw | 20:23 |
Stskeeps | yes | 20:23 |
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Stskeeps | irc 3 is what's coming and prolly never will | 20:23 |
Stskeeps | irc 2 supports ssl fine | 20:23 |
Stskeeps | :P | 20:23 |
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Nicd- | Stskeeps: well yeah, but SSL support and usage is pretty rare | 20:24 |
Nicd- | it should be mandatory ;) | 20:24 |
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Zenet | Hey everyone, can I ask someone a question about telnet into sailfish? | 20:38 |
cvp | why not ? | 20:39 |
Yaniel | "don't ask to ask, just ask your real question" | 20:40 |
Zenet | I tried to telnet, and I got an IP, but putty always give me a connection denied and windows says it just can't connect | 20:40 |
Nicd- | try SSH instead of telnet | 20:40 |
Zenet | hmm same thing | 20:40 |
cvp | user:nemo ? | 20:41 |
Yaniel | is developer mode & developer mode ssh enabled on the device? | 20:41 |
lbt | Yaniel: too fast ... | 20:41 |
lbt | :) | 20:41 |
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Zenet | hmm, i'll reboot my pc for a sec. so weird this | 20:45 |
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cvp | puh ... the reboot take long :D | 20:54 |
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coderus | ejjoman: thanks :) | 21:04 |
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kimmoli | OT but... https://www.riemurasia.net/kuva/Uutta-teknologiaa/139919 | 21:32 |
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stephg | ha | 21:34 |
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ejjoman | coderus: :) | 21:36 |
raa70 | kimmoli: Y U NOT point to pidjin.net for source | 21:38 |
* satmd smiles | 21:38 | |
kimmoli | take a snickers, better http://www.pidjin.net/2014/03/27/early-adopters/ | 21:40 |
raa70 | well, I'm _pretty sure_ I posted that in this very channel in ~thursdayish.... | 21:41 |
raa70 | and I'm that Nazi who doesn't like a "news" site link which is basically just an embed youtube video | 21:44 |
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kimmoli | yep, my bad, repost .. [2014-03-27 22:53:09] <raa70> http://www.pidjin.net/2014/03/27/early-adopters/ | 21:44 |
* kimmoli goes zZZzzz now . GN | 21:45 | |
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raa70 | gn | 21:45 |
stephg | night kimmoli | 21:45 |
stephg | me too for bed | 21:45 |
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stephg_j | I'm back! | 21:48 |
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stephg_j | (only because the store crashed in a particularly odd way) | 21:50 |
raa70 | ^related http://bash.org/?5775 | 21:50 |
stephg_j | heh | 21:51 |
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