Monday, 2014-04-07

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william_guys who can tell us when the next public EA of sailfishos for nexus 4 published?03:38
william_please03:39
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Dr_Cainhmm, my IMAP4 emails stopped syncing for some reason07:32
Dr_Cainis there a log I can check?07:32
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chriadamDr_Cain: VDVsx will be able to help you07:34
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VDVsxDr_Cain, manual sync or the automatic sync ?07:35
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Dr_Cainmanual sync07:36
VDVsxDr_Cain, how to collect logs: http://pastebin.com/8ABwpR2Z07:38
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* Dr_Cain sets it and does a dsmetool -b07:39
Dr_Cain[954] Apr 07 09:41:19 [Warning] socketError: 0 : "Connection refused"07:42
Dr_Cainuh07:42
Dr_Cainhmm, it might be the smtp that's failing07:46
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william_sailfish os on nexus 4 can not input Chinese,though there is we can select Chinese input method07:50
william_sad07:50
Stskeepswilliam_: might be because of XT9 not being there07:50
william_guys who know when will be solved?07:51
Stskeepsit may be a longer thing, we want to cover basics first07:51
Stskeepsthen add value-add things on top07:51
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william_Stskeeps,XT9?07:52
Stskeepswilliam_: dictionaries, word prediction, etc07:52
william_i see07:52
william_when will publish the next EA of sailfish os for nexus 4?07:53
Stskeepshmm probably sometime after the next jolla update07:53
william_see07:53
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Dr_CainVDVsx: seems like it's not IMAP4 that's failing, just the SMTP part (which might be blocked on this network)07:54
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william_i am form China,no Chinese input,I can not use sailfishos-ized nexus 4 as a daily device07:55
Stskeepsyes, that's a valid concern07:55
VDVsxDr_Cain, it should not block SMTP, they are independent07:56
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ArtVandalaeDr_Cain, SSH into your device. And see if you can access the IMAP port on your server. e.g. telnet imap.server.com 143 -- see if it responds, or if it times out07:57
Dr_CainArtVandalae: I just checked, the IMAP part is fine, but it tries to check the SMTP part too while it's at it, and it's failing07:58
ArtVandalaeDr_Cain, telnet smtp.server.com 25 -- does it respond?07:58
william_hope multi-languge can works normally soon07:58
Dr_Cainheh, I don't have telnet07:58
Dr_Cainis it in pkcon?07:58
ArtVandalaeSorry, not sure. I don't have any Sailfish device. Just a Linux user, waiting :P telnet or nc (netcat) will work.07:59
Dr_Cain:)07:59
fzkisnt smtp usually filtered by isps?08:00
ArtVandalaeyou could search for the package using package kit. pkcon search name telnet08:00
Dr_CainArtVandalae: I just did, it's not in there, and neither is netcat08:00
Dr_Cainfzk: let's try SMTP over SSL then08:01
Dr_Cainport 46508:01
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Dr_Cain[954] Apr 07 10:01:46 [Debug] SMTP :  RECV: "250 DSN"08:02
Dr_Cain[954] Apr 07 10:01:46 [Debug] SMTP :  SEND: NQotWBtAh08:02
Dr_Cain[954] Apr 07 10:01:46 [Debug] SMTP :  RECV: "502 5.5.2 Error: command not recognized"08:02
Dr_Cain[954] Apr 07 10:01:46 [Debug] Messaging :  void SSOSessionManager::recreateSsoIdentity() Recreating SSO identity using auth method  "password"08:02
Dr_Cainhmm08:02
Dr_Cainthat didn't work as expected08:02
coderusi had a dream about kickoff-meeting. there is a desk with nicknames on it and peoples sitting. and somebody unknow entering room. next there are blood at the walls, floor, desk and only two peoples still sitting. i see no dead bodies but i'm sure its unknown guest did this.08:03
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VDVsxDr_Cain, that looks strange flow, can you pastbin the entire log and send me the link ?08:06
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Dr_Cainsoon, I need to gather a bit more data08:08
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Dr_Cainoh it seems to connect when I select Authentication "not in use"08:10
narchieis there any way to change the VM display resolution08:10
Dr_Cainwith SSL and 46508:10
narchiemy laptop screen is too small08:10
narchieand I have to scroll to see the bottom menu for instance08:10
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narchiealternatively I could buy a new laptop :)08:10
Dr_Cainnow it's on the:08:12
Dr_Cain[954] Apr 07 10:11:08 [Debug] SMTP :  SEND: MAIL FROM: <xxx>08:12
Dr_Cain[954] Apr 07 10:11:08 [Debug] SMTP :  SEND: RCPT TO: <xxx>08:12
Dr_Cain[954] Apr 07 10:11:08 [Debug] SMTP :  SEND: DATA08:12
Dr_Cainand it gets stuck on the DATA part hmm08:12
Dr_Cainoh08:13
Dr_Cainhere we go "Recipient address rejected: Access denied"08:13
Dr_Caingeh08:13
Dr_Cainsomething wrong with the SMTP config08:13
ArtVandalaeheh :)08:13
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fluxapplicatino idea: smtp setting debugger :-)08:17
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VDVsxDr_Cain, if you give me the server address I can check the settings in use, but port 25 normally is without auth, 465 SSL and 587 TLS08:18
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Dr_Cainyeah, 25 does not work because of blocked by ISP, and while 465 does work, but only with auth method "Authentication "not in use""08:19
Dr_CainI should try 587 TLS too08:19
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VDVsxDr_Cain, when you connect in port 465 check the AUTH caps that are listed08:20
VDVsxin comes in the logs just after the connection after the EHLO command08:21
VDVsxit*08:21
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Dr_Cain587 works too, but needs the Authentication "not in use" option set08:23
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Dr_Cainnow I have to debug the Client host rejected: Access denied error I'm getting08:23
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VDVsxDr_Cain, does it really allow you to send email ? or just connect there08:27
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Dr_Cainwell it has worked in the past, but I have done a few upgrades since hmm08:28
Dr_Cainoh08:29
Dr_CainI have two email accounts08:29
Dr_Cainit might try to set the sender as the other one08:29
Dr_Cainthat will obviously not work08:29
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Dr_CainI'll have to debug this more when I get home, with another email client like thunderbird08:35
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gabriel9|workif i want to share a link to Sailfish app on store what to do?08:46
gabriel9|workIs there a web UI for store?08:47
Bysmyyrno08:47
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coderuswhy the hell QtCreator in SailfishSDK losing const params declarations when using automatic refactoring menu option in context menu?08:56
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admiral0coderus: because good guy QtCreator sets variables free.09:02
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Acceno more binding of variables! they're naturally free, we are violating their rights09:24
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Almindorhow do you make a notifcation from an app?09:54
sjtoikif you can't find from the documentation, i would start looking examples from https://github.com/communi/communi-sailfish09:58
jake9xx_Almindor: have you looked from silica documentation in sdk ?10:00
Almindorjake9xx_, I didn't find anything about notification in there, just components10:00
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jake9xx_Almindor: ok, i'll take a look as well10:04
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MFaro-Tusinoping stskeeps10:58
StskeepsMFaro-Tusino: pong10:58
MFaro-Tusinoi need your linux expertise - private chat?10:59
Stskeepsyou can try, it'll be 200 EUR/hour10:59
Stskeeps;)10:59
tbrheh, that reminds me of this one:11:00
tbrHire me. My rate would be onehundredandfifty an hour. Plus VAT and expenses. Four hours minimum. Dollars for small problems, Euros for big problems. British Pounds for management problems.11:00
jussihehe, I was just about to say, "careful, he is expensive" :P11:00
jussihire me, Im 50 per hour. I know nothing but can point you in many right directions :P11:00
Stskeepsthis is just like post-feb11..11:01
MFaro-Tusinohahah having issues with my old pc - windows boots fine but linux (mint and ubuntu) hang on install. the only good linux guys i know are in here11:01
tbrMFaro-Tusino: how old?11:01
tbrMFaro-Tusino: does the CPU have PAE?11:01
jussiahh yes, that could do it...11:02
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MFaro-Tusinotbr: 200511:02
tbrlikely11:02
tbrMFaro-Tusino: where should I send the invoice? ;-รพ11:02
stephglol11:03
tbrthere are non-pae installers11:03
MFaro-Tusinoi know its OT so I know i shouldnt really talk about it here11:03
fzkjussi: this works very well against my fiances family, "would you work for free?"11:03
fzk:-)11:03
jussifzk: hehe :D11:03
jussifzk: Ill give you a discount - Ill work for beer :P11:03
fzkjussi: beer plus computering=weird code11:04
tbrhttps://help.ubuntu.com/community/Lubuntu-fake-PAE - look at the 'forcepae' option11:04
jussifzk: unless it is in the right doses...11:04
jussifzk: https://xkcd.com/323/11:04
MFaro-Tusinookay ill look into it tbr. thanks :D11:05
fzkjussi: haha, i only have experience from that after a half bottle of kossu11:06
fzki told myself the day after: wtf have i done?! now ill have to rewrite everything11:06
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jussihaha11:08
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TheBootroo_workhi13:11
TheBootroo_work"Sorry for rejecting your update, but new version must be higher then the one, which is currently in the store. "13:11
TheBootroo_workin store : 0.1.2, my package : 0.2.8, wtf ?13:11
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TheBootroo_workiekku: ^13:13
iekkuwhat?13:14
iekku:o13:14
iekkuTheBootroo_work, i take a look immediately!13:14
TheBootroo_workthnaks13:14
TheBootroo_work*thanks13:14
TheBootroo_workapp package name is 'bible-me'13:15
iekku:nod: found it already13:16
TheBootroo_workwow, quick13:16
iekkuTheBootroo_work, contacted tester, need to catch a bus now, will get back to you soon13:17
TheBootroo_workok13:17
TheBootroo_workcu13:17
kontioTheBootroo_work: I will answer a little later...13:19
TheBootroo_workkontio: who are you ?13:20
TheBootroo_workthe tester ?13:20
kontioTheBootroo_work: no the interface between the testers and #sailfishos :-)13:23
TheBootroo_work oh ok13:23
kontioor one of them... like iekku13:23
kontioTheBootroo_work: ok give me a moment, I need to check what happened...13:24
TheBootroo_workkontio: i think i konw what happened :13:24
TheBootroo_worki have 0.1.x in store13:24
TheBootroo_worki submitted 0.2.4  three days ago13:25
TheBootroo_workmichal tested it and rejected it13:25
TheBootroo_worki pushed released 0.2.8, and michal found that 0.2.4 and 0.2.8 have only revision different version, forgetting to check store versino13:25
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TheBootroo_worki wouldn't increase major/minor version because it's onyl bugfix upon 0.2.4 i pushed 3 days ago13:26
TheBootroo_workusing 0.3.x doesn't make sense here13:26
Nicd-but 0.2.8 is bigger than 0.2.413:27
Nicd-so it should be ok13:27
Turskiif it's after dot, it is a version bump13:27
Turskirelease number comes after dash13:28
TheBootroo_workNicd-: in fact not13:28
Turskiand TheBootroo_work why not?13:29
TheBootroo_work0.2 is maj.min, and last dot is revision number13:29
Nicd-yes, I know13:29
TheBootroo_workand FAQ says increasing only rev is not good13:29
TheBootroo_workbut anyway, in store i have 0.1.x13:29
TheBootroo_workso any 0.2.x shoudl be good13:29
kontioTheBootroo_work: sorry... there our tester mixed up something... seeing the whole day just numbers, might blur your view ;-) so he made a mistake...13:30
TurskiTheBootroo_work: there is no "revision" number13:30
TheBootroo_workkontio: no problem13:30
TurskiTheBootroo_work: release number is the one after dash13:30
kontioTheBootroo_work: it's now accepted13:30
TheBootroo_workkontio: thanks !13:30
kontiocheck your harbour messages...13:30
TurskiTheBootroo_work: it's ok to have multiple dots in version number13:30
Nicd-TheBootroo_work: the store FAQ says 1.0.1-7 -> 1.0.2-1 is ok13:30
kontioTheBootroo_work: will take a moment until it's synced to the store...13:30
TheBootroo_workNicd-: oh yeah, didn't see that one13:31
Nicd-TheBootroo_work: the FAQ says that just incrementing the *release* is not ok, the release is the number after the dash13:31
TheBootroo_workin fact13:31
TheBootroo_workjust noticed13:31
TheBootroo_workmy apps version is 0.2-813:31
TheBootroo_worknot 0.2.813:32
Turski-_-13:32
TheBootroo_workthat's why13:32
TheBootroo_workso 8 it release number13:32
Turskii hate it when people are talking about application version x.y-z as x.y.z13:32
TheBootroo_workand version is 0.213:32
Nicd-oh13:32
TheBootroo_workTurski: to me it's quite logical : Major.Minor.Revision13:33
Nicd-TheBootroo_work: yeah, don't do that. use 0.2.0-8 then13:33
TurskiTheBootroo_work: that's not the usual way to do that13:33
Nicd-don't change the release number13:33
TheBootroo_workto me a major needs huge changes, minor means small changes , revision is only about bugfix13:33
YanielI'm used to x.y.z too13:33
Yanielbut x.y.z-w seems reasonable13:33
TheBootroo_workTurski: that's not clear in te YAML file13:33
Yanielor x.y-z for less lively projects13:34
Nicd-TheBootroo_work: we all agree on that, but the thing in the YAML file is *release*, not revision13:34
TheBootroo_workwhen i release a new version, i increase minor13:34
TheBootroo_workbut what the hell is release version ? revision number i can understand13:34
TheBootroo_workbut release version ? so what ? it's a absolute version counter ?13:35
TurskiTheBootroo_work: see also http://semver.org/13:35
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Nicd-I've assumed it has something to do with the packaging13:35
YanielTheBootroo_work: think: build number13:35
TurskiTheBootroo_work: release version is usually bumped on rebuild13:35
Nicd-so if the package fails harbour, then increment release13:35
TheBootroo_worklike   0.0.1 is release 1, 0.0.2 is release 2, 0.1.0 is release 3 ? etc13:35
Yanielno13:35
w00tmajor.minor.patch-release, release is only applicable for packaging changes13:35
Yaniel0.0.1-1 is release 113:35
Yanielor build 113:35
Yanielthen you do bugfixes -> 0.0.2-113:35
Yanielthe build/packaging does not go as planned -> 0.0.2-213:36
Turskior application needs to be built agains updated libraries -> bump release13:36
Yanielyou notice you forgot a library from the rpm -> 0.0.2-313:36
TheBootroo_workwell in fact i won't ever use release number ?13:36
Yanielthen it will always be -113:36
TheBootroo_workwell i learned something new today13:37
Yaniel:)13:38
TheBootroo_workNicd-: anyway, Bible'me 0.2-8 should be in your hands very soon now13:39
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TheBootroo_workNicd-:  <---- is that little guy something you wanted ?13:40
TheBootroo_workNic(d-:)13:40
TheBootroo_workjust noticed it13:41
* TheBootroo_work 's brain hardly sees smileys when they are rotated wrong side13:41
TheBootroo_workyou didn't put it there on purpose ?13:42
TheBootroo_work^_^13:43
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iekkuTheBootroo_work, testers apology, should be approved now13:53
TheBootroo_workiekku: yep it is,13:53
TheBootroo_workiekku: thanks13:53
iekkuand my apology too13:54
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TheBootroo_workiekku: really, no problem, was fixed really fast13:59
TheBootroo_work;-)13:59
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iekkuTheBootroo_work, thank you for you understanding14:10
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TheBootroo_workaaaawwww yeeahhhhh15:12
TheBootroo_worknew Bible'me is in store !15:12
stephg:)15:15
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roboroI want to store some default data in a small sqlite database that can be used by my app...15:27
roboronot localstorage for a user15:27
roboroso my package would contain the database already prepopulated15:27
roborodoes anyone know how to access this in qml?15:27
Acceroboro: why not just include code that creates the database15:27
roboroit sort of seems redundant15:28
roboroa whole lot of processing when the app starts up...15:28
roborowhy not just create a database to begin with and package it with the app15:28
roboroit seems like a lot of unnecessary code15:29
Accewell you can do that, but then you have to use c++15:29
roborouuurgh15:29
roboroeverything is always more complicated than I hope for15:30
Acceafaik localstorage can access only .local/share/appname/.. etc15:30
roboroyeah... that's what I thought15:30
Acceyou could always google for some qml plugin for sqlite database driver15:30
roboroso either I have to code my app in c++... or have a stack of redundant javascript15:31
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roboromeh... I'll take the redundant javascript route :(15:31
Accewell, just make sure it's ran only on first start after the app has  been installed, and it's not that bad15:32
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Accebut honestly, it's not really a big deal to write the c++ that would use qt's sql classes and offer some execution interface to qml..15:35
Acceof course if you don't know c++ to begin with, it is lot of work15:35
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roboroAcce: true... I can make sense reading other ppl's c++... writing my own takes ages... I sit with google open for every line15:36
roboroand then things break15:37
roboroand then I spend many many many hours trying to work out what is wrong15:37
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Accemhmm.. I'm like that too often, but it comes better with time and experience15:38
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roboroI would probably opt to do this in python... but I was hoping to finally make an app that might be able to get listed on harbour15:39
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Acceheh.. well, the best in that case is to not care too much about little details so your motivation doesn't drop :)15:40
roboroheh... I know15:41
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roboroI'll stick to javascript for this one... its a really simple app... so to hell with it... in the future I might fix that bit of code and do something a bit more sensible15:42
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roboroany suggestions on how to check that you are on the first run of an app?15:42
roboroset a parameter in another settings table in the database?15:42
Accehmm, yeah, just make something like settings table and give it whatever attributes you need, including isFirstRun or similar15:44
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junnuviCREATE TABLE IF NOT EXISTS tablename blaablaa blaa...15:47
junnuviah, sorry.. forgot :)15:47
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roboroyeah... the IF NOT EXISTS is fine... its the populating of it that I don't want to repeat15:53
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roboroI thought about just including everything as XML... but working with sqlite is nicer since I can easily do filtered queries etc without having to code around that as I populate a list model15:55
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junnuviroboro: don't know but maybe it will return 1 on rows.length in case table has been created?16:05
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roborojunnuvi: good point... although this would be a quick fix... the better approach would be to have a setting for the app... then in the future I can trigger to repopulate the database after a release update... possibly by comparing version number or something16:07
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stephg_jstrikes me today is v quiet16:29
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sledgesmoo16:42
raa70monday16:42
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sledgesmoonday16:45
stephg_jm000nday!16:46
stephg_j^ not l33t16:47
Yanielmoon moon -day16:47
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fzkhttp://i.imgur.com/bQHT94X.gif :-)16:48
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stephg_jer16:50
carepacklol. funny gif16:53
fzkim so gonna do that16:53
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carepackyeah16:54
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Nicd-TheBootroo_work: it's not on purpose17:53
Nicd-someone else has Nicd already :P17:53
Nicd-that's what I use everywhere else17:53
Nicd-TheBootroo_work: nice work!17:58
Nicd-it's really fast now17:58
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Nicd-love that the bookmarks show the verse in small text17:58
Nicd-TheBootroo_work: suggestion: add remorse timer for removing bookmarks18:00
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coderusis there any solution for QtCreator highlighting and autocompletion for my class exported with qmlRegisterSingletonType?18:18
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kaltsicoderus: have you made the plugins.qmltypes file for your class?18:21
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kaltsisomething like this http://doc.qt.digia.com/qtcreator-2.3/creator-qml-modules-with-plugins.html18:22
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coderuskaltsi: no i want qtcreator to do it automatically :)18:27
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kaltsiok... :)18:28
kaltsieven that page says that the automatic dumping is a fallback with many points of failure and cannot be relied upon.. but the doc is for qtc 2.318:29
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kaltsithe integration with qt creator and the project in sailfishos projects is really bad and qt creator fails to do some important tasks properly (like figuring out if qmake needs to be run or not)18:31
kaltsiI haven't yet followed the qmldump code path so far at all18:32
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kaltsiah there's also a newer version of that page for qtc 2.8 http://qt-project.org/doc/qtcreator-2.8/creator-qml-modules-with-plugins.html18:33
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coderusbut i'm not using plugins18:34
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thesignalhi guys, anybody using openvpn with his jolla?18:49
thesignali read on together.jolla.com, that somebody was working on a gui for openvpn18:49
thesignali'm not able to set this up correctly, and was hoping somebody who has done it could help me a bit18:49
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zoldyckthesignal: I installed the app yesterday but haven't tried yet19:20
zoldyckit's called SecureFishNet in openrepos19:21
zoldyckit installs openvpn and some other stuff19:21
thesignalzoldyck: but it's not a gui for creating a config, right? it's a gui for managing them after created?19:24
zoldyckyes19:24
thesignalhave you successfully created a config yet?19:25
thesignali'm not able to :D19:25
Dr_CainVDVsx: I found out what the problem was earlier today, broken curl on the mail server (zimbra installation), I had to manually downgrade it to 7.3319:25
Dr_Cainso this was not a jolla related issue :)19:26
zoldyckthesignal: I've been using openvpn before but not on Jolla19:26
zoldyckas I know the only thing to pay attention there is absolute paths19:26
zoldyckI'll try it later19:26
thesignalok, thanks, i'll keep trying around19:27
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VDVsxDr_Cain, ok, good to know19:54
coderuswhy the hell TextArea label not visible when text is empty?19:58
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ln-you have the wrong size or anchors or something for it19:59
coderuswhy the hell TextArea label not visible when text is empty?19:59
coderusln-: i'm laking about label property20:00
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ln-ah, that one20:00
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coderusyup20:03
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coderusopacity: (textBase.errorHighlight || _editor.activeFocus ? 1.0 : 0.5) * (1 - placeholderTextLabel.opacity)20:04
coderuswtf?20:04
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coderus * (1 - placeholderTextLabel.opacity)20:04
coderuswhy?20:04
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coderus_labelItem.opacity: errorHighlight || activeFocus ? 1.0 : 0.520:10
coderusfixed it20:10
coderusbut why? is it Silica UX?20:11
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Guest98892coderus: yes20:32
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specialcoderus: the placeholder is visible when the input is empty, the label is visible when it's non-empty20:33
specialthere's a document on this somewhere..20:33
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AcceHas someone ideas how to have a static header for a listview and a pulley menu at the top of the page?21:03
AcceListview inside a Flickable is not working very nicely, parent sometimes hogs all events21:04
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coderusspecial: so, settings label: placeholderText is right solution?21:07
coderusAcce: ListView Inside Flickable working nice21:07
coderuskust set pressDelay: 0 for both21:08
coderusjust*21:08
specialcoderus: you should define both; sometimes the text is slightly different21:08
speciale.g. "Enter username" (placeholder) and "Username" (label)21:08
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specialthat's up to you.21:09
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APTXsailfish ide keeps deplyoing old qml files. What can I do to make it deploy the correct ones?21:10
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coderusAPTX: clean21:11
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coderusspecial: ok, i'll think21:12
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APTXcoderus: no change21:16
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Accecoderus: ok, thanks for the tip!21:21
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coderusAPTX: check your build directory and clean it manually (update SDK and enable shadow build, if not updated)21:30
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m4g0ghi22:00
m4g0ghow to pass oauth1 authorization in sailfish?22:00
Yanielhmm?22:01
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m4g0gmay be liboauth or something else?22:13
m4g0gI didn't find kqoauth22:13
m4g0gas I understand - there is no oauth library for qt in sailfish22:13
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