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| artemma | ERROR [/usr/share/harbour-dailyambience/lib/harbour/dailyambience/QtDocGallery/libdocgalleryplugin.so] Cannot link to shared library: libQt5DocGallery.so.5 | 00:15 |
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| artemma | What does this mean? | 00:15 |
| artemma | how come I cannot link to the library I ship myself? | 00:15 |
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| artemma | ah, sorry, it looks like so.5 is missing | 00:16 |
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| artemma | doh, we are not allowed to use even libicudata.so from the system. That's 14MB to bundle with the app.. | 00:41 |
| artemma | though it compresses well, still just 4MB whole RPM | 00:46 |
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| cos- | weird. i have 2 fb events that have wrong dates | 08:09 |
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| cos- | looks like the end date is one month too late on device | 08:09 |
| cos- | is this a known issue? | 08:10 |
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| chriadam | cos-: thanks for the report. could be a JavaScript to Qt conversion issue. JS dates use zero-based months iirc | 08:28 |
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| chriadam | i'll look into it | 08:28 |
| cos- | chriadam: thanks. | 08:28 |
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| cos- | i unsubscribed the events in fb, but they are still haunting the phone calendar. is there a way to force resync of calendar? | 08:29 |
| chriadam | open the account in the settings ui and save it again (no need to change anything). should force a resync. | 08:29 |
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| cos- | nope, they are still there. i'll try rebooting. | 08:32 |
| chriadam | hrm. | 08:33 |
| chriadam | do you have developer mode enabled? | 08:33 |
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| cos- | yes | 08:33 |
| chriadam | can you try something for me? | 08:33 |
| cos- | yep | 08:33 |
| chriadam | thanks. open two ssh terminals, in one of them do: | 08:33 |
| cos- | the events are still there after reboot | 08:33 |
| chriadam | systemctl --user stop msyncd.service | 08:34 |
| chriadam | ps axu | grep msyncd | 08:34 |
| chriadam | kill -9 (msyncd pid) | 08:34 |
| chriadam | SOCIALD_LOGGING_LEVEL=3 devel-su -p msyncd | 08:34 |
| chriadam | then, in teh other terminal, do: | 08:34 |
| chriadam | dbus-send --session --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.meego.msyncd /synchronizer com.meego.msyncd.startSync string:'facebook.Calendars' | 08:34 |
| chriadam | and send the logs to chris dot adams at jolla dot com | 08:35 |
| chriadam | (might want to redact the access token etc from the logs) | 08:35 |
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| cos- | done. | 08:38 |
| chriadam | thanks | 08:38 |
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| chriadam | hrm, was that all? | 08:40 |
| chriadam | seems the sync adapter is getting stuck while processing the response to the events request | 08:40 |
| cos- | there was also SocialNetworkSyncAdaptor::decrementSemaphore:266 and SocialNetworkSyncAdaptor::setFinishedInactive:245 after i sent the mail | 08:41 |
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| chriadam | ah ok, good | 08:43 |
| chriadam | that means that it's not getting stuck in the request handling, at least | 08:43 |
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| chriadam | hrm, ok most likely this is because we don't handle the "declined" state of the event properly. bug. | 08:45 |
| cos- | i'm on office wlan which should be working ok at the moment, so i doubt it's a networking issue | 08:45 |
| dr_gogeta86 | good morning guys | 08:45 |
| chriadam | cos-: thanks for the info - I'll fix it tomorrow, hopefully. | 08:45 |
| chriadam | gmorning dr_gogeta86 | 08:45 |
| cos- | chriadam: great, thanks! | 08:46 |
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| cos- | there is still something wrong with end dates of some events | 08:47 |
| cos- | i'll have to go to lunch first but i'll try to investigate it later | 08:47 |
| chriadam | cheers - any info would be helpful | 08:48 |
| chriadam | but I'm about to head home for the night (autz) - so if I don't respond on irc you know why ;-) | 08:48 |
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| otto | Nicd-: Hello! | 08:59 |
| otto | Nicd-: wrote a blog post about the trick now: http://seravo.fi/2014/optimal-sailfish-sdk-workflow-qml-auto-reloading | 09:00 |
| Nicd- | nice :) | 09:00 |
| Nicd- | ping Turski | 09:00 |
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| locusf | otto: good job | 09:08 |
| Acce | otto: cool, also waiting to hear from the OBS instructions post | 09:11 |
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| otto | locusf Acce: thanks! | 09:23 |
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| leszek | hi | 09:35 |
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| gabriel9|work | is there update for sdk emulator | 09:41 |
| gabriel9|work | or we are stucked with 1.0.1.11 | 09:41 |
| Nicd- | an update is coming | 09:41 |
| Nicd- | pretty soon if I understood correctly | 09:41 |
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| gabriel9|work | ok | 09:46 |
| gabriel9|work | i try to install this also | 09:46 |
| gabriel9|work | http://seravo.fi/2014/optimal-sailfish-sdk-workflow-qml-auto-reloading | 09:46 |
| gabriel9|work | but there is no package | 09:46 |
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| Nicd- | ask otto | 09:47 |
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| gabriel9|work | otto: ping | 09:50 |
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| Turski | Nicd-: pong | 10:16 |
| Turski | Nicd-: oh, nice | 10:17 |
| Turski | and otto, nice | 10:17 |
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| Turski | and bonus points for not needing qtcreator for that | 10:20 |
| Turski | or emulator | 10:21 |
| gabriel9|work | wut | 10:21 |
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| Turski | gabriel9|work: 12:00:29 < otto> Nicd-: wrote a blog post about the trick now: http://seravo.fi/2014/optimal-sailfish-sdk-workflow-qml-auto-reloading | 10:22 |
| Turski | beats 10-1 my hack :P | 10:23 |
| gabriel9|work | for me this is not working | 10:25 |
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| gabriel9|work | i downloaded the package and installed with install-local | 10:55 |
| gabriel9|work | no error, but there is no entr installed :/ | 10:55 |
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| Turski | gabriel9|work: well, that package contains /usr/bin/entr, so you are doing something wrong | 11:04 |
| gabriel9|work | i installed this one entr-2.6-10.1.1.jolla.armv7hl.rpm | 11:05 |
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| gabriel9|work | for some reason pkcon install finishes but nothing is installed | 11:06 |
| gabriel9|work | pkcon install-local entr-2.6-10.1.1.jolla.armv7hl.rpm | 11:07 |
| gabriel9|work | as nemo user | 11:07 |
| Turski | i just enabled the repo | 11:07 |
| gabriel9|work | ok | 11:07 |
| gabriel9|work | and it works for you? | 11:07 |
| Turski | yes | 11:07 |
| gabriel9|work | ffs | 11:07 |
| Turski | i'll check the install-local method too... | 11:07 |
| gabriel9|work | maybe my emulator is broken | 11:08 |
| gabriel9|work | duno | 11:08 |
| Turski | oh, you're using emulator | 11:09 |
| gabriel9|work | yes | 11:09 |
| Turski | didn't you notice that it's arm package? | 11:09 |
| gabriel9|work | X_X | 11:09 |
| gabriel9|work | i use archlinux | 11:10 |
| gabriel9|work | so, i dont think about that | 11:10 |
| lbt | explains a lot | 11:10 |
| gabriel9|work | :D | 11:10 |
| Turski | i just used device for testing | 11:10 |
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| Turski | gabriel9|work: well, you need to think about architecture on arch too | 11:10 |
| Turski | a bit | 11:10 |
| gabriel9|work | sorry | 11:11 |
| gabriel9|work | so is there a way yo install it on emulator> | 11:11 |
| Turski | gabriel9|work: you need to find the package somewhere | 11:12 |
| gabriel9|work | how did he install it on emulator? | 11:12 |
| gabriel9|work | To install Entr on a Sailfish OS emulator or device... | 11:12 |
| Turski | gabriel9|work: maybe he didn't :) | 11:12 |
| Turski | otto: ping | 11:12 |
| gabriel9|work | from the blog post it is :D | 11:13 |
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| Turski | or maybe he didn't just release the x86 package anywhere | 11:14 |
| gabriel9|work | maybe | 11:14 |
| Turski | i like deploying my projects straight to device | 11:16 |
| Turski | project. | 11:16 |
| Turski | which i haven't been working on for a month... | 11:16 |
| lbt | gabriel9|work: hmm | 11:17 |
| lbt | tbr: we need chum for emulator too - it's just rather old atm | 11:18 |
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| Turski | lbt: well, new sdk should be coming soon | 11:18 |
| Turski | i heard | 11:18 |
| lbt | 'soon' | 11:19 |
| lbt | and yeah, we have an x86 build of chum | 11:19 |
| lbt | sfos I mean | 11:19 |
| tbr | lbt: does anyone really care about emulator? last time I checked it was all stuck somewhere in october last year | 11:20 |
| lbt | not me :) | 11:20 |
| Turski | 1.0.5-based SDK should already be in in-house testing | 11:20 |
| Turski | that was told four days ago, maybe we will see it some day | 11:21 |
| lbt | tbr we should probably just make sure there's an x86 chum for when the community builds their own emulator using the releases repo | 11:22 |
| lbt | and I think that's my chum release script/cutnpaste which should add the target | 11:22 |
| lbt | and it *might* work on the emulator - especially if we copy SRs to chum:1.0.0.5 | 11:23 |
| lbt | but frankly I'd not waste community time promoting to anything other than testing for that | 11:23 |
| gabriel9|work | i wil try to install it on real device | 11:26 |
| Turski | that's the way to go | 11:26 |
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| tbr | lbt: *nod* | 11:26 |
| Turski | touch application testing with mouse sucks anyway | 11:26 |
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| tbr | lbt: we'll find out how jolla relates to chum in a couple of weeks I guess | 11:27 |
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| lbt | yep - not really discussed it yet | 11:28 |
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| lbt | and I don't really know what the emulator plans are | 11:29 |
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| gabriel9|work | installed it on device | 11:43 |
| gabriel9|work | tried to edit files with ssh and nano but no changes :D | 11:45 |
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| roboro | gabriel9|work: there is your problem... nano? you should have used vi.... | 11:48 |
| gabriel9|work | must be some problem with permisions | 11:48 |
| * roboro gets his coat | 11:48 | |
| gabriel9|work | i use emacs | 11:48 |
| gabriel9|work | not that satan editors :P | 11:48 |
| fzk | vi vs emacs flamewar plz | 11:48 |
| roboro | yay... | 11:49 |
| fzk | long time ago | 11:49 |
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| gabriel9|work | this blog post needs some refavtoring | 11:49 |
| gabriel9|work | i mounted them on local fs, but i cant write on them | 11:50 |
| roboro | mmm just checked out that blog post... this is pretty useful if you can get it to work | 11:51 |
| gabriel9|work | i know | 11:51 |
| gabriel9|work | i'm trying to get it work | 11:51 |
| gabriel9|work | but the pain :D | 11:51 |
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| roboro | its a real pain that a small qml change requires a whole new build and deployment | 11:52 |
| gabriel9|work | don't try to run it in emulator | 11:52 |
| gabriel9|work | and also, i now have problems with permissions | 11:52 |
| roboro | I usually build and deploy... then ssh onto my phone and muck with the qml there until I am roughly happy with it and then copy the changes back into my project | 11:52 |
| gabriel9|work | all files under /usr/share/App are root | 11:52 |
| gabriel9|work | when you "muck" with qml are you root | 11:54 |
| gabriel9|work | or change file owner? | 11:55 |
| fzk | would be fun to code some applications for sailfish hmm | 11:57 |
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| roboro | gabriel9|work: I do it as root | 12:02 |
| gabriel9|work | ok | 12:02 |
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| gabriel9|work | i have two apps to finish | 12:03 |
| gabriel9|work | Hell Radio XD | 12:03 |
| gabriel9|work | and Srboskop | 12:03 |
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| roboro | Hell Radio :D:D:D | 12:03 |
| gabriel9|work | yea | 12:03 |
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| gabriel9|work | but as you said, all thatbuild->deploy->test and again is pain | 12:04 |
| gabriel9|work | most of the time i just build project :D | 12:04 |
| roboro | I've been working on a generic stream player... I want to ultimately rig it to have an alarm function... so that you can start playing a stream at a time etc | 12:04 |
| roboro | depends on how significant the changes are | 12:04 |
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| roboro | if something is just NOT working... then I keep rebuilding... but if its just tweaking layout or something... then I do that on the target host | 12:05 |
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| roboro | I guess if you like the editor... you could script this... you can just sftp or scp the qml files to the correct location on the host and then replay the app | 12:07 |
| roboro | you could probably change the file permissions after the deployment, to make this a little easier while you are working | 12:09 |
| dr_gogeta86 | sledges: are u here ? | 12:10 |
| gabriel9|work | roboro: i also work on stream player | 12:12 |
| gabriel9|work | trying to add ICY meta tags | 12:12 |
| roboro | mmmm maybe we should collaborate a bit | 12:12 |
| gabriel9|work | but i don't know how to read raw data from buffer | 12:13 |
| gabriel9|work | i am noob in C++ | 12:13 |
| roboro | mmm I ran into similar issues | 12:13 |
| gabriel9|work | but i know JS | 12:13 |
| * roboro is also a noob in C++ | 12:13 | |
| gabriel9|work | :D | 12:13 |
| gabriel9|work | if i make something i will let you know | 12:13 |
| roboro | leszek and I were chatting about updating tags in a stream... seems to be a qml bug | 12:14 |
| roboro | you can get the initial tag... | 12:14 |
| gabriel9|work | nop | 12:15 |
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| gabriel9|work | i tried to get streamTitle | 12:15 |
| roboro | but there used to be an onMetaDataChanged attribute... its gone | 12:15 |
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| gabriel9|work | that was in api? | 12:15 |
| roboro | used to be | 12:15 |
| gabriel9|work | i searched something like that but no hope | 12:15 |
| gabriel9|work | i even read qmmp player source to figure how metadata is read | 12:16 |
| m4g0g | hi | 12:16 |
| gabriel9|work | oi | 12:16 |
| m4g0g | I want to send c++ struct to qml. How I can do it? | 12:17 |
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| gabriel9|work | stick to primitives | 12:17 |
| gabriel9|work | or you can create json string send it to qml, and then json parse in js | 12:17 |
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| gabriel9|work | an you have object :) | 12:17 |
| goroboro | gabriel9|work: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qml-qtmultimedia-mediaplayer.html | 12:17 |
| goroboro | that's what I am using in my qml | 12:18 |
| gabriel9|work | i read all about it | 12:18 |
| goroboro | then you can just set title to metaData.albumTitle | 12:18 |
| gabriel9|work | i use Audio, which is in fact MediaPlayer | 12:18 |
| goroboro | that works for me... but doesn't change when the stream updates the metadata | 12:18 |
| gabriel9|work | the only tag in hell radio is streamTitle | 12:18 |
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| goroboro | ah... | 12:19 |
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| gabriel9|work | yea, coding is hell | 12:19 |
| gabriel9|work | :D | 12:19 |
| Nicd- | m4g0g: I sent a "struct" to QML by making a class of it and registering it with qmlRegisterType | 12:19 |
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| goroboro | yeah... I don't like the qml implementation to read metaData | 12:19 |
| goroboro | it assumes that tags are going to be in that format | 12:19 |
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| goroboro | and that onMetaDataChanged thing is a bugger | 12:20 |
| goroboro | did you try metData.title | 12:20 |
| gabriel9|work | goroboro: check this out | 12:20 |
| gabriel9|work | http://www.smackfu.com/stuff/programming/shoutcast.html | 12:20 |
| goroboro | I think that worked for most of my streams | 12:20 |
| Nicd- | m4g0g: see https://bitbucket.org/Nicd/sailtime/src/1bfce5e59983?at=master and specifically the files src/harbour-sailtime.cpp, src/sysinfoc.h, src/sysinfoc.cpp and qml/harbour-sailtime.qml (the sysinfoc object is used there) | 12:21 |
| gabriel9|work | as i see it, we must watch for bytes | 12:21 |
| gabriel9|work | and then check metadata, if changed then update app | 12:22 |
| * goroboro decides to let gabriel9|work do the heavy lifting... then I'll nick your code :P | 12:22 | |
| gabriel9|work | if i manage to make it | 12:22 |
| sharpneli | Regarding the implementation of OpenCL ICD loader for sailfish. Is it possible to have rpm packages which download the source from a specific location? | 12:22 |
| m4g0g | Nicd-: class + Q_PROPERTY. I have thought the same | 12:22 |
| goroboro | yeah, both leszek and I gave up | 12:23 |
| sharpneli | Because Khronos license for their ready made implementation for linux specifies that you cannot redistribute the sources. You can however always point people to their official tarball | 12:23 |
| sharpneli | And the binary itself is under BSD license | 12:23 |
| gabriel9|work | how to mount some /usr/share/MyApp with write permissions ? | 12:24 |
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| gabriel9|work | on local fs | 12:24 |
| gabriel9|work | this nemo user is problem | 12:24 |
| goroboro | gabriel9|work: why don't you just chmod /usr/share/MyApp while you are developing? | 12:25 |
| gabriel9|work | i could | 12:25 |
| gabriel9|work | but i am afraid will i break something with that :/ | 12:26 |
| goroboro | you can always nuke it afterwards and redeploy to get the right permissions | 12:26 |
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| goroboro | well the files you are messing with are in MyApp... so you can only break MyApp | 12:26 |
| goroboro | and since you are the developer of MyApp... I don't see a problem with doing this while you are working | 12:27 |
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| goroboro | gabriel9|work: if you're worried about restoring permissions to the way they were... install acl: pkcon install acl | 12:39 |
| goroboro | then you can use getfacl to get file permissions recursively through a directory and store them to file | 12:40 |
| goroboro | then use setfacl to reset them back to whatever you have in that file | 12:40 |
| gabriel9|work | thanks and this goes to my notes | 12:41 |
| gabriel9|work | :) | 12:41 |
| gabriel9|work | this entr restarts app | 12:42 |
| goroboro | getfacl -R /path/to/dir > /path/to/backup/backupname.attrs | 12:42 |
| gabriel9|work | is there a way to edit qml and see changes without restart? | 12:42 |
| goroboro | that will give you a backup of the file attributes | 12:42 |
| goroboro | gabriel9|work: I think you have to restart the app | 12:43 |
| goroboro | I think it loads the qml at run time | 12:43 |
| gabriel9|work | ah i see now | 12:43 |
| gabriel9|work | well this entr is also ok for now | 12:44 |
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| lbt | new post: https://together.jolla.com/question/39552/what-is-the-participation-and-contribution-policy-for-jollas-open-source-contributors-in-open-source-projects/ | 13:27 |
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| m4g0g | hi | 13:31 |
| lbt | o/ m4g0g | 13:31 |
| kaltsi | fyi: anyone using zypper on their device, check how large /var/log/zypper.log has grown.. remove if alarming | 13:32 |
| m4g0g | How do you detect that your QNetworkReply in progress and you should show busy indicator in gui? Now I have property isRequestInProgress whish I set to true before QNAM->get and set to false in finished slot. May be there is more good way? | 13:32 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | m4g0g: show progress until the QNR emits finished ? | 13:35 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | so basically, when calling QNAM get, you set a property like "busy" to true, and set it to false when the QNR emits the finished signals ? | 13:36 |
| m4g0g | Sfiet_Konstantin: I do so | 13:39 |
| m4g0g | but is seems like crap | 13:39 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | m4g0g: then it should be enough | 13:39 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | coderus: are u here ? | 13:47 |
| coderus | here | 13:48 |
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| cos- | chriadam|away: ok for example have a fb event which is 26.4 all day. in jolla calendar it is shown 26.4 03:00-23:59, all day 27.4-7.5 and 00:00-03:00 on 8.5 | 14:25 |
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| artemma | Had a look at nokia publish tool first time in a year probably | 14:45 |
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| artemma | interestingly country with most of my downloads in April was Iraq | 14:45 |
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| artemma | followed by Iran and Russia | 14:46 |
| artemma | Nokia N9 - phone for the axis of evil? | 14:46 |
| Yaniel | less tracking than any android anyway | 14:46 |
| Yaniel | or wp | 14:46 |
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| lbt | sailfishos meeting in #mer-meeting in 1min | 14:59 |
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| Yaniel | oh right | 15:01 |
| pp | nokia (and jolla) actually has to comply with EU regulations :-) | 15:01 |
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| stephg | irc retard, how does one info, /info ? | 15:02 |
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| Yaniel | #info | 15:04 |
| stephg | ta | 15:04 |
| stephg | oh is not a command | 15:05 |
| stephg | obvs | 15:05 |
| stephg | thx Yaniel | 15:05 |
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| iekku | :D | 15:07 |
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| MSameer | faenil: why are you silent now ? :p | 15:18 |
| faenil | I'm not? :) | 15:19 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | Anarky: hey | 15:27 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | let's talk here | 15:27 |
| Anarky | ok :) | 15:27 |
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| lbt | Sfiet_Konstantin: I'm doing that git migration at the moment | 15:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | lbt: cool :) | 15:46 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | will nemo land in mer gitlab too ? | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | first after the move is effected | 15:47 |
| Stskeeps | first get mer working stable, then merge and break everything | 15:47 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | ok | 15:48 |
| * MSameer slaps w00t | 15:48 | |
| gabriel9 | is there a way to get logs from this chanel? | 15:49 |
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| gabriel9 | i posted link today but i lost it :/ | 15:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | gabriel9: which channel ? | 15:49 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | this one ? | 15:50 |
| gabriel9 | yes | 15:50 |
| gabriel9 | this one | 15:50 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | gabriel9: http://merproject.org/logs/%23sailfishos/latest.log.html | 15:50 |
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| gabriel9 | thanks | 15:51 |
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| MSameer | stephg: why? isn't it needed? | 16:06 |
| stephg | MSameer, no needed, but can be abused | 16:06 |
| stephg | IMO | 16:07 |
| stephg | i.e. needs to be dealt with care | 16:07 |
| MSameer | stephg: that should be in the process itself I guess | 16:07 |
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| artemma | people mention developer-care email in the meeting channel. Has anybody ever got reply from it? | 16:11 |
| artemma | I had three messages without an answer | 16:11 |
| stephg | not asked, but fair point | 16:12 |
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| MSameer | tbr: you are doing a great job managing the meeting :-) | 16:18 |
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| kontio | +1 ty | 16:20 |
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| Stskeeps | artemma: long story short, if you want to specialize a qml component, you'll always copy-paste it | 16:26 |
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| artemma | M4rtinK: you mentioned some translation layer for using controls in both silica and non-silica world | 16:29 |
| artemma | any pointers? | 16:29 |
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| artemma | Stskeeps: I may be wrong abt how much work it is to add needed things for making Silica work in OSS | 16:30 |
| artemma | on the surface it's just theme | 16:30 |
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| MSameer | i also have my layer to use meego qml/silica qml and even qtquick 1.0 and 2.0. it;s not rocket science | 16:33 |
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| artemma | MSameer: not just two different sets of qmls? | 16:41 |
| * artemma would like to have a look at some code | 16:41 | |
| * artemma tried using something like that in the past and usually had issues with qmls import statements that couldn't be #ifdef'ed | 16:41 | |
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| crevetor | Hey guys, I'm all pumped up after the meeting and was wondering : how would I go about adding support for headset controls to sailfishos and also how to get the media to resume playing after a call | 16:58 |
| Aard | crevetor: mediacontrols should be at least partially supported already, iirc | 16:59 |
| Aard | that should come from ohm + policy, iirc | 17:00 |
| crevetor | ok | 17:00 |
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| Aard | it's one of the messier bits of the platform, stuff we inherited from nokia | 17:01 |
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| crevetor | Yeah I have already fixed a "bug" in there, it wasn't a pleasant experience | 17:02 |
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| Aard | crevetor: you probably picked an area where it does not make much sense to contribute now. longer term plans are dropping ohm, and going to murphy (https://01.org/murphy). resourcepolicy will go away as well, we already have libaudioresource in place as wrapper to make moving painless for newly written apps | 17:06 |
| Aard | it's still a bit fuzzy about the 'when', though, as there are other parts needing attention first | 17:07 |
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| clowreedd | Hello! Do you happen to know how much it should take to boot Sailfish on a Nexus 4 for the first time? It's been around 15 minutes and I'm starting to worry... | 17:13 |
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| natorious | clowreedd: it took mine quite a bit of time | 17:14 |
| clowreedd | And it was stucked on the "Google" logo during that time? | 17:14 |
| Stskeeps | 15 sounds a bit extreme | 17:15 |
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| clowreedd | Ouch... I was hoping that was normal... Ok, I'll try it again from the beginning | 17:15 |
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| crevetor | Aard: ok, thanks | 17:31 |
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| Aard | crevetor: related to that, pulseaudio 5 will either be in the upcoming update, or the one after that. and work for 'after' (bluez5 + pa6) will begin soon | 17:33 |
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| crevetor | Aard: ok | 17:37 |
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| jake9xx | Venemo_j: ping - so basically you just need to switch the run target from project view | 18:05 |
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| jake9xx | Venemo_j: default is the default device of that kit you're using from QtCreator's pov | 18:05 |
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| Venemo_j | jake9xx: I changed the default to the new one, and it still trid to connect to the old one | 18:06 |
| Venemo_j | jake9xx: jope told me of an option somewhere that will switch it | 18:06 |
| jake9xx | Venemo_j: ok, with this updated version (rolling out pretty soon) I don't see that behavior | 18:06 |
| Venemo_j | jake9xx: but the real trouble is this: I expect the SDK to know which device is connected and just work | 18:07 |
| Venemo_j | jake9xx: sorry for saying this, but have you used the Windows Phone SDK? | 18:07 |
| jake9xx | Venemo_j: maybe QtC 3.0 based sdk will do that ? :) | 18:07 |
| jake9xx | Venemo_j: actually I have | 18:07 |
| coderus | Venemo_j: same for me | 18:08 |
| coderus | i need to change existing one | 18:08 |
| coderus | no other way | 18:08 |
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| Venemo_j | jake9xx, coderus: I want the sailfish os sdk to have a similarly good experience as the WP SDK. | 18:09 |
| Venemo_j | in this case, even the error message was wrong | 18:09 |
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| Venemo_j | it should've printed on the console something like this: "the specified device is not connected" | 18:10 |
| Venemo_j | but really | 18:10 |
| Venemo_j | I'd expect it to figure it out | 18:10 |
| coderus | well, have no experience with WP, cant say anything :) | 18:10 |
| jake9xx | Venemo_j: wanna push that to t.j.c ? | 18:11 |
| Venemo_j | jake9xx: okay, I will | 18:11 |
| jake9xx | tag it 'sdk' so it's easy to see | 18:11 |
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| Venemo_j | coderus: it's a quite smooth experience. even though the OS is quite dumb | 18:11 |
| Venemo_j | coderus: my experience was in the WP7 times, but then it basically took only a few seconds to get an app running | 18:13 |
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| Venemo_j | jake9xx: give a few minutes please and I'll put this to together | 18:17 |
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| jake9xx | ok happy hackers: | 18:39 |
| jake9xx | https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-April/003928.html | 18:39 |
| Venemo | jake9xx: https://together.jolla.com/question/39611/sailfish-sdk-please-improve-experience/ | 18:53 |
| Venemo | jake9xx: https://together.jolla.com/question/39339/sailfish-sdk-deployment-is-excessively-slow/ | 18:54 |
| Venemo | jake9xx: https://together.jolla.com/question/7029/idea-developer-experience-dev-device-programs-etc/ | 18:54 |
| Venemo | jake9xx: that's all I have in this regard :) | 18:54 |
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| M4rtinK | Venemo: do we have one for "Add support for using KVM instead of VirtualBox" ? :) | 18:55 |
| Venemo | M4rtinK: I don't really care whether it's KVM or VirtualBox, as long as it works | 18:55 |
| jake9xx | Venemo: tnx. I'll check those tomorrow | 18:55 |
| jake9xx | most of that is already on my list tho | 18:55 |
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| M4rtinK | Venemo: well yeah, that's a good point | 18:56 |
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| Venemo | jake9xx: as a general advice, it'd be nice to have at least helpful error messages. but at the moment the most pressing concern (in my opinion) is the slowness, and the bugs in the "deploy by copying binaries" method | 18:57 |
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| artemma | Otto demonstrated blazing fast just qml update method on last #jollatre | 18:59 |
| artemma | and posted abt just today - https://seravo.fi/2014/optimal-sailfish-sdk-workflow-qml-auto-reloading | 18:59 |
| artemma | you may like to have a look - that was indeed very fast | 18:59 |
| artemma | ping jake9xx | 18:59 |
| jake9xx | artemma: pong | 19:00 |
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| artemma | ) | 19:00 |
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| jake9xx | artemma: no yaml editor ;) | 19:02 |
| Venemo | artemma: I don't deploy QML files with my apps. just a binary | 19:02 |
| artemma | jake9xx: it 's enough if creator doesn't touch my precious .yaml :) | 19:03 |
| jake9xx | artemma: it should not touch it anymore :) | 19:03 |
| artemma | Venemo: I somehow find it more clean to have qmls in file system | 19:03 |
| artemma | though every now and then I am tempted to put qmls to qrc to hide them from stupid rpm checker | 19:04 |
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| jake9xx | artemma: Venemo plus reverseengineering qml's out from qrc is not a major issue, but then again - reverse-engineering anything that is not encrypted is not | 19:04 |
| artemma | problem is I value good checker warnings, but bad ones make me cry | 19:04 |
| Venemo | jake9xx: I don't do reverse engineering. I just don't like to clutter the file system | 19:04 |
| jake9xx | Venemo: I did not say you are doing.. I tried (?) to say qrc is not a safe haven-- .. | 19:05 |
| artemma | ah, why or why checker verifies the *text* of imports instead of what is actually imported.. heh, checking what's easy instead of what's intended | 19:05 |
| Venemo | jake9xx: what do you mean? | 19:05 |
| jake9xx | actually I've been toying of idea of sshfs or equivalent, open the qml's on device -> hit save -> issue pkill -HUP for that process.. hmm | 19:06 |
| jake9xx | Venemo: tbh : I have no idea, guess I'm too tired now :) | 19:06 |
| artemma | jake9xx: qrc should save you from the need to modify plugins bundled with the app | 19:06 |
| Venemo | jake9xx: I know qrc is not a safe haven. I don't use it as a means to "protect" the QML or anything. I just don't want to clutter the file system | 19:07 |
| M4rtinK | just for the record I've been using the rsync method from the begging :) | 19:07 |
| jake9xx | Venemo: it makes sense yes - plus having all files in ole binary makes sure that stuff gets found when binary is run | 19:07 |
| Venemo | jake9xx: yes, precisely | 19:08 |
| M4rtinK | even before QML, for Python code :) | 19:08 |
| M4rtinK | so since 2010 ? :) | 19:08 |
| Venemo | jake9xx: also, qrc is cross-platform. meaning you don't have to care where the files actually are on that weird platform | 19:08 |
| jake9xx | Venemo: now that's a valid point | 19:08 |
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| Venemo | jake9xx: I can be sure that my stuff is gonna be there when I need it, even on Symbian, Blackberry and other messy platforms | 19:09 |
| artemma | hmm, my app was rejected because nemo thumbnailer writes files to /home/nemo/.cache/.nemothumbs okay.. so I'll need to recompile thumbnailer | 19:09 |
| artemma | . | 19:09 |
| leszek | hi | 19:09 |
| jake9xx | for development having bunch of qml's is handy tho.. but we'd need something like this: http://www.qtcentre.org/threads/3891-automatic-generation-of-qrc-file in sdk | 19:10 |
| artemma | and because something writes to /home/nemo/.cache/ambienced .. well, I aske ambienced daemon via DBus to create ambience. Shall it really be restricted? :/ | 19:10 |
| jake9xx | I'm off 4 today - tomorrow, UTC 10:00 - showtime | 19:10 |
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| * artemma got stuck.. I want to create ambience, but ambience daemon itself writes to /home/nemo/.cache/ambienced that is not allowed. What should I do? | 19:12 | |
| jake9xx | of cource I went to read artemma 's article. Let's chat tomorrow morre | 19:12 |
| jake9xx | now gone -> | 19:13 |
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| jake9xx | _o/ | 19:13 |
| artemma | jake9xx: not mine, mine is the link ony | 19:13 |
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| artemma | jake9xx: not mine, mine is the link only | 19:13 |
| M4rtinK | I think at this point Jolla should accept defeat in regards to Harbour and make OpenRepos the default repository :) | 19:14 |
| artemma | maybe if I quickly delete files ambienced creates, checker won't notice :) | 19:14 |
| M4rtinK | (only half joking :) ) | 19:14 |
| artemma | M4rtinK: there could be some midway solution | 19:14 |
| artemma | like chum maybe :) | 19:14 |
| M4rtinK | just "encrypt" your QML files with ROT13 and "decrypt" it on first run to your config folder and run from there :) | 19:15 |
| * artemma wonders if he could ask ambienced to create its stuff in a specific folder.. unlickely | 19:15 | |
| artemma | well, I actually need to use ambienced for creating ambience | 19:15 |
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| artemma | whole point of app is actually automatic ambiencing random photo once in a while | 19:16 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, that looks like it could be nice :) | 19:16 |
| artemma | too bad ambienced isn't open, so I cannot build a copy just for my app :) | 19:16 |
| artemma | M4rtinK: that was my most popular N9 app except there it was just setting good wallpapers once in a while | 19:17 |
| artemma | 3 months on the first page of photo video apps iirc | 19:17 |
| artemma | or maybe 2 | 19:17 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, I think you mentioned you wanted to talk about the Sailica/Controls abstraction layer ? :) | 19:18 |
| M4rtinK | at mer-meeting | 19:18 |
| artemma | M4rtinK: I am a little too tired for productive discussion, but yeah, I'd love to have a look at good way to do it | 19:19 |
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| artemma | I used something not very convenient in the past | 19:19 |
| M4rtinK | it lives here: https://github.com/M4rtinK/modrana/tree/master/modules/gui_modules/gui_qt5/qml/universal_components | 19:19 |
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| M4rtinK | the application sees it as a QML plugin called "UC" | 19:20 |
| artemma | so you create your own controls that are.. close to copying sailfish? | 19:20 |
| M4rtinK | but the elements provided by UC can be backed by either Silica elements or Controls | 19:21 |
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| artemma | I don't get it :/ | 19:21 |
| artemma | e.g. https://github.com/M4rtinK/modrana/blob/master/modules/gui_modules/gui_qt5/qml/universal_components/controls/UC/PageHeader.qml | 19:22 |
| artemma | How can it use Silica label? | 19:22 |
| M4rtinK | even the label is abstracted away :) | 19:22 |
| artemma | I can't see how you bind it to real Silica Label | 19:23 |
| M4rtinK | well in this case | 19:24 |
| artemma | ah.. your final app imports UC only | 19:24 |
| M4rtinK | exactly | 19:24 |
| artemma | and UC provides one of these folders | 19:24 |
| M4rtinK | the code you linked is not used on Sailfish | 19:24 |
| artemma | i see | 19:24 |
| M4rtinK | bot on desktop and in the future elsewhere | 19:24 |
| artemma | clever idea | 19:24 |
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| artemma | would be too much of maintenance for me to do it | 19:25 |
| M4rtinK | more of a hack to work around the stupid non-dynamic imports in QML | 19:25 |
| artemma | could actually make a nice standalone library | 19:25 |
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| M4rtinK | yeah, definitely | 19:25 |
| artemma | yeah, that was the very original point for this discussion. In the past I was always stumbled at inability to #ifdef imports | 19:26 |
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| artemma | BTW, there is an official Qt answer for it (a couple of years old though) provided one of the then to-be-sailors :) | 19:26 |
| M4rtinK | but not enough time to do that at the moment - but it is pretty independent already, just a few backward dependencies (using rWin, the application root window) | 19:26 |
| M4rtinK | I know they want it to be simple | 19:27 |
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| M4rtinK | and "just write the GUI for each platform again, it's fast" | 19:27 |
| artemma | nope. the point is that dynamic import is possible :) | 19:27 |
| artemma | it's just weird (to my eyes) | 19:27 |
| artemma | you can use Loader | 19:27 |
| M4rtinK | but that breaks down fast with many platforms and non trivial apps | 19:27 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, that | 19:28 |
| M4rtinK | I'm already using that for QtPositioning import | 19:28 |
| M4rtinK | so that it does not take the rest of the app with itself if the import fails | 19:28 |
| artemma | BTW, are you actually using all these three platforms? | 19:28 |
| M4rtinK | but loads a dummy interface instead | 19:28 |
| artemma | Is it easy UI-wise to make UI look fine for three platforms with this abstraction layers? | 19:29 |
| M4rtinK | but IIRC it had issues to be used for graphical elements | 19:29 |
| artemma | layer* | 19:29 |
| M4rtinK | the Glacier one is basically a stub at the moment | 19:29 |
| M4rtinK | but I used the Silica and Controls backends regularly | 19:30 |
| artemma | most of code seems to be in Controls adaptations | 19:30 |
| artemma | so I guess Silica is the base for UI | 19:31 |
| M4rtinK | with the Controls backend I can just run modRana directly without any need for an emulator during development :) | 19:31 |
| artemma | ah, so it's more for the development speed | 19:31 |
| artemma | that's real clever! | 19:31 |
| M4rtinK | I've never really used emulators :) | 19:31 |
| artemma | that is if look and behavior are consistent enough | 19:31 |
| M4rtinK | I like to just run the application directly instead :) | 19:32 |
| artemma | this controls code. There's quite much to write and debug and there will be layouting errors | 19:32 |
| artemma | or did you mostly copy Silica code? | 19:32 |
| M4rtinK | but yeah, Silica is farther ahead concerning mobile UIs, so I mostly add code for Controls deficiencies :) | 19:33 |
| artemma | maybe I just looked at the control with biggest trouble (combo box), the rest are way simpler | 19:33 |
| M4rtinK | some of it si moved from custom components | 19:34 |
| artemma | I find it hard to believe that desktop version looks close enough, but.. well, if it works for you | 19:34 |
| M4rtinK | and some of it made explicitly to provide a common interface | 19:34 |
| M4rtinK | biggest example is the combo box | 19:34 |
| artemma | what about theming? Label needs to get font and pixelSize somehow. You just use desktop defaults? | 19:35 |
| M4rtinK | as Controls uses list items but Silica uses menu items :) | 19:35 |
| M4rtinK | yeah | 19:35 |
| artemma | I guess it depends on how much your app is about careful tuning UI layouts.. | 19:36 |
| artemma | I can imaging such a layer being perfect for tuning the c++ side and whatever core features are about and approximate buttons locations | 19:36 |
| artemma | or maybe QML dynamics is exactly good enough to verify in emulator only once in a while :) | 19:37 |
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| M4rtinK | I'll see if I have any screenshots of the Controls UI | 19:37 |
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| artemma | M4rtinK: Anyway, I think it's a great project, Jolla could do something like that just to help devs speed up the development | 19:38 |
| artemma | it would be awesome if you created a public project/effort around it under some more library-compatible license (assuming you own all current copyright) | 19:38 |
| M4rtinK | well, I was running Harmattan Qt components on my PC :) | 19:39 |
| * artemma was using weird substitutions on main views to simulate harmattan and symbian on desktop | 19:39 | |
| M4rtinK | I guess it would not be hard to do the same for Silica if they released the source :) | 19:39 |
| M4rtinK | sure, patches welcome! :) | 19:40 |
| artemma | QML part of Silica controls is open under BSD | 19:40 |
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| M4rtinK | I know | 19:40 |
| artemma | M4rtinK: sorry, can't contribute to GPL code | 19:40 |
| artemma | well, to code I can't use back in my apps | 19:40 |
| M4rtinK | but still not usable as a whole without the (relatively small) C++ part | 19:40 |
| artemma | I think they just didn't want to spend time on opening full Silica. Work on clarifying dependencies, etc without clear benefit | 19:41 |
| M4rtinK | I guess I could dual license the compatibility layer as BSD | 19:42 |
| M4rtinK | if there is any code from Silica, that's BSD already :) | 19:42 |
| artemma | that would do for me. Not sure if anybody would be interested enough to contribute, but for me it would've been a useful project | 19:43 |
| artemma | I am not sure you can inject BSD parts into GPL project :/ | 19:43 |
| artemma | you certainly can use BSD libs | 19:43 |
| artemma | oh well, I am not a laywer | 19:43 |
| M4rtinK | yeah | 19:43 |
| artemma | probably you can inject BSD easily, just need to care to reproduce BSD license too | 19:44 |
| M4rtinK | well, the Python license is basically BSD | 19:45 |
| M4rtinK | so I guess it should be about the same here | 19:45 |
| artemma | BTW, feel free to reuse HelloWorld Pro base for lib demo. It's public domain | 19:46 |
| artemma | Or maybe if we add also log4qt demo, that could make a MegaHelloWorld: one runnable on many platforms with logging, c++ and qml tests :) | 19:47 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, that might be a good combination :) | 19:47 |
| * artemma was just yesterday and today thinking of trying a cross-platform project for Android-iOS-Silica :) | 19:47 | |
| M4rtinK | so I guess all add "make a repo for universal components" to my TODO list & let you know once it exists :) | 19:49 |
| M4rtinK | but now - late dinner time! :) | 19:49 |
| artemma | that's be cool | 19:49 |
| artemma | that'd be cool | 19:49 |
| artemma | but PulleyMenu? | 19:51 |
| M4rtinK | haven't yet got to adding that :) | 19:52 |
| * artemma still thinks about making whole UI similar... you still want to do significant variations unless you are doing a full screen game. Like Toolbar VS PulleyMenu | 19:53 | |
| M4rtinK | but I was thinking about implementing by having 4 properties on the page | 19:54 |
| M4rtinK | and you would assign to those the menu | 19:55 |
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| M4rtinK | and depending on the backend, it would either be a pulley menu or something else | 19:55 |
| artemma | I can imagine two elements reusable between platform: main content area (e.g. grid or list or map) and pageStack hierarchy | 19:55 |
| artemma | the page chrome (including menu and maybe menu structure) got to be platform dependent | 19:56 |
| artemma | hmm, maybe idea of full ui rewrite is not so bad after all :) | 19:56 |
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| M4rtinK | really depends on the app :) | 19:56 |
| artemma | that doesn't diminish great value of your approach for speeding up the development | 19:57 |
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| M4rtinK | yeah | 19:59 |
| M4rtinK | and should also provide some sort of UI on BB10, Android, Ubuntu Touch and with the Maemo 5 Qt 5 port :) | 19:59 |
| M4rtinK | ...hopefully :) | 20:00 |
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| M4rtinK | artemma: so this is how the modRana UI running with the Controls backend currently looks like: http://modrana.org/images/qt5_gui/ | 20:12 |
| M4rtinK | as you can see, nothing extra :) | 20:12 |
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| artemma | looks good | 20:13 |
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| artemma | well, you are drawing whole ui yourself | 20:13 |
| M4rtinK | this is the same GUI code running with Silica: http://modrana.org/trac/wiki/ScreenshotsENscreesnhot#SilicaGUIonSailfishOS | 20:13 |
| artemma | so for you system chrome doesn't matter | 20:13 |
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| artemma | hmm, actually look and feel is adapting quite a lot | 20:14 |
| artemma | looks good | 20:14 |
| M4rtinK | yeah - and if it ever runs on Android, where every app look different :D | 20:14 |
| M4rtinK | thanks! :) | 20:14 |
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| artemma | btw, you seem to use default Text's color for links | 20:15 |
| artemma | looks cooler if you use color from Theme. I think highlightColor | 20:15 |
| M4rtinK | known issue :) | 20:17 |
| M4rtinK | well, actually I see it as a bug in Silica | 20:18 |
| M4rtinK | IMHO they should do that | 20:18 |
| M4rtinK | its it just a bit of CSS IRRC | 20:19 |
| artemma | probably yes | 20:19 |
| artemma | I just set link color myself | 20:19 |
| artemma | via css style | 20:19 |
| * artemma wonders if developer-care email works nowadays. Would ask them about ambience generation dir | 20:20 | |
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| M4rtinK | I think I'll open a question on Together | 20:21 |
| jake9xx | artemma: use together instead | 20:21 |
| M4rtinK | asking for that CSS code to be included in Silica | 20:21 |
| M4rtinK | ...once I get some free time to do that :) | 20:22 |
| artemma | together.. I can try.. | 20:22 |
| M4rtinK | so anyone else is free to do that instead :) | 20:22 |
| M4rtinK | artemma: thanks! :) | 20:22 |
| artemma | not sure if TJC actually followed for qustions that don' get popularity vote | 20:22 |
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| M4rtinK | artemma: well, that's a good point :) | 20:23 |
| artemma | M4rtinK: I mean to follow jake9xx advice and maybe create request for allowing to call ambienced :) | 20:23 |
| jake9xx | it is | 20:23 |
| M4rtinK | well, you can fill the CSS links when you are at it :) | 20:23 |
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| artemma | jake9xx: but.. but.. how do I post on TJC to get noticed? | 20:23 |
| jake9xx | use 'sdk' tag | 20:23 |
| artemma | I can understand that maybe "bug" tag is monitored, but it's not a bug | 20:23 |
| artemma | ah, okay, sdk tag | 20:23 |
| M4rtinK | jake9xx: I'm subscribed on a lot of the technical ones and they don't seem to be getting much attention | 20:24 |
| jake9xx | at least we scan those tags | 20:24 |
| M4rtinK | sdk ? | 20:24 |
| artemma | reading coming sdk noted. Yay, yaml editor got killed indeed! | 20:24 |
| artemma | and debugger too. So people will stop using tests :) | 20:25 |
| artemma | ah, what's the heck: I'll use all four support channels, will see what helps :) | 20:26 |
| artemma | anyway same text | 20:26 |
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| jake9xx | M4rtinK: i can only talk about sdk but we do scan our tags | 20:28 |
| jake9xx | artemma: nice to see you happy :) | 20:29 |
| artemma | jake9xx: you got to be positive :) | 20:30 |
| artemma | in new OS world | 20:30 |
| artemma | on the other hand Jolla might be flexible enough to actually change the rules when there are reaons | 20:30 |
| * artemma would certainly just grant his own app an exception, because exactly this app is doing great and nice things and feeds kittens | 20:31 | |
| jake9xx | ok but zz time. tomorrow will be busy | 20:32 |
| artemma | actually, hmm,.. it is not even my app that is writing to cache folders - it's another process | 20:32 |
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| M4rtinK | artemma: +1 ! :) | 20:33 |
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| M4rtinK | on a serious note, allowing such exceptions to Harbour provided developers know their apps might break | 20:34 |
| artemma | ? | 20:34 |
| M4rtinK | would make Harbour a lot more useful application source | 20:34 |
| * artemma doesn't understand | 20:35 | |
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| Guest81859 | I'd say it's about not breaking apps for *users*, not for developers | 20:35 |
| Guest81859 | goddamnit nickserv | 20:35 |
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| M4rtinK | apps always break just for users :) | 20:35 |
| artemma | uhm, I am not really asking for exceptions for my app (though it would be nice) | 20:35 |
| M4rtinK | developers know how to fix them for themselves, users usually don't :) | 20:35 |
| special | it's a bad experience for users if OS updates break their store apps | 20:35 |
| artemma | point is it is system daemon writing files to where it wants. Why should my app be responsible? | 20:36 |
| special | even if the developer would fix it soon after | 20:36 |
| M4rtinK | and the alternative is having no maps & GPS using apps in your main application store | 20:36 |
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| M4rtinK | for 4 months and counting :) | 20:37 |
| artemma | special: in the "other operating system" there is an idea called "beta OS release" and "developer preview" ;) | 20:37 |
| artemma | systme* | 20:37 |
| artemma | systems* | 20:37 |
| artemma | and in the uncalled OS there is also process called "update your goddamned apps to new OS release or it can be kicked out at any moment" ;) | 20:38 |
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| M4rtinK | yeah, that's what package maintainers are for :) | 20:39 |
| ajalkane | wake me up when harbor allows background processes :) | 20:39 |
| M4rtinK | fixing the breakage caused by core package updates :) | 20:40 |
| artemma | ajalkane: I have a workaround in plans, but first I need to pass the ambience daemon gateway ;) | 20:40 |
| M4rtinK | ajalkane: you mean daemons, right ? | 20:40 |
| ajalkane | yeah daemons. Not sure if I'm happy with hacks that momentarily get around the restrictions :P | 20:40 |
| M4rtinK | IIRc you can use the inhibit stuff already somehow in Harbour | 20:41 |
| artemma | Such hacks created me 40K downloads in 2 months in Nokia N9 and many happy users ;) | 20:41 |
| ajalkane | inhibit? What's that? | 20:41 |
| artemma | N9 also didn't allow daemons | 20:41 |
| M4rtinK | well, then even thp started publishing in OpenRepos :) | 20:41 |
| ajalkane | N9 allowed daemons | 20:41 |
| artemma | not that I knew of :/ | 20:41 |
| M4rtinK | Harbour looks less and less to be the primary repo for Sailfish :) | 20:41 |
| ajalkane | I've done a couple of daemon using apps for N9 like ProfileMatic and RingingRestorer | 20:42 |
| M4rtinK | profilematic! :) | 20:42 |
| artemma | interesting. I was sure daemons were not allowed | 20:42 |
| artemma | wow, discoveries | 20:42 |
| ajalkane | There was even a whole chapter in the N9 developer docs on how to create daemons | 20:42 |
| artemma | well, apparently I missed it | 20:42 |
| * artemma went to tricks with timed to create daemon-like effects without daemons | 20:43 | |
| ajalkane | Heh | 20:43 |
| artemma | or was it so that each daemon just had to be specifically approved? | 20:44 |
| ajalkane | But that's okay as long as the events are time based | 20:44 |
| * artemma tries to recall | 20:44 | |
| artemma | yeah, my use case was precisely time based: changing wallpaper on schedule | 20:44 |
| artemma | I also wanted to change it on event (e.g. on every phone unlock), but for that I would need a real daemon | 20:45 |
| ajalkane | I don't think Nokia had any restrictions on that. I doubt they had any checks on if it uses a daemon or not. I think they had pretty basic checks on where the files were installed and whether system files were tampered with | 20:45 |
| ajalkane | as long as you used upstart's configuration files for starting your daemon they seemed to be okay with it. | 20:46 |
| artemma | well, maybe I just didn't know how to really create daemons | 20:46 |
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| * artemma is tempted to just go for OpenRepos.. damned, but I want app to be accessible by thousands, preferably millions of people | 20:49 | |
| ajalkane | for your use case, using timed was probably in restrospect a good thing. No need to hold a binary in memory if it's only needed in certain intervals | 20:49 |
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| artemma | okay, sent an email to developer-care | 20:51 |
| artemma | let's see how fast we hear back | 20:51 |
| artemma | previous three times had 3.5 months reply time on average, still counting :) | 20:52 |
| artemma | hmm, can't see any license at https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-qml-plugin-thumbnailer | 20:56 |
| artemma | is whole nemo under LGPL? | 20:56 |
| special | looks like those files all have 3-clause BSD? | 20:57 |
| artemma | ah, indeed | 20:57 |
| artemma | exactly one I had opened didn't have it | 20:57 |
| artemma | on the other hand the only think I really need to change in thumbnailer is where it writes files to | 20:58 |
| artemma | Maybe I can just somehow modify what QStandardPaths report | 20:58 |
| artemma | they should base on system vars after all, right? | 20:58 |
| artemma | i mean on environment vars | 20:59 |
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| artemma | or are .so libraries loaded simultaneously with main binary? | 21:00 |
| artemma | though it's loaded via qml plugins mechanism.. | 21:01 |
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| stephg | yey just saw the sdk update | 21:30 |
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| Acce | yep, debugging, finally | 21:35 |
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| m4g0g | what qt version is used by sailfish? | 21:49 |
| M4rtinK | 5.1 + patches | 21:49 |
| m4g0g | fuck | 21:49 |
| m4g0g | i need 5.2 (( | 21:50 |
| special | 5.2 will be coming at some point | 21:50 |
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| M4rtinK | yeah and a lot of 5.2 is in those patches | 21:53 |
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| m4g0g | there is no qtimezone | 21:55 |
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