Thursday, 2014-04-17

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SvioxHi. Just updated my SDK (Windows version...). Can no longer see the Sailfish background image on emulator. Should this be expected? It's just black background now.06:13
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Nicd-is the whole screen black?06:23
cobuemulator background back on both home and lock screen?06:25
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aard_vgrade: it's "I ask integration system for a graph for a package, and I specify depth"06:28
SvioxYes, black everywhere06:33
Nicd-try double clicking it06:33
SvioxOn my own app there seems to be a very subtle texture of some sort on the background..06:34
Nicd-ah, so it's not in power saving mode. dunno then06:36
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kaltsiSviox: I had that happen to me too, but then on a fresh install I got the background again.. which host do you have? linux/mac/win?06:41
kaltsiSviox: oh you say windows there. stupid me.. I had it happen in linux06:42
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SvioxHmm, hope someone knows/finds a way to restore the background. I would hate to reinstall the whole thing.06:44
kaltsiSviox: could you boot up the emulator and login as root (using ssh keys), then if you take "journalctl -a > logfile.txt" and send that in mail to me juha dot kallioinen at , I'd like to take a look at it.. or you can also read through it to see if there's anything relevant to background or theme there06:45
kaltsibut if this is difficult to do because it's windows, then I'll have to try to repro it myself somewhere06:46
SvioxBtw, what would you say is the proper platform way of indicating 'empty' state on a content list/grid page? Some sort of huge text saying "no content" in the middle of the page?06:46
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Svioxssh keys on windows are a bit unknown waters. I suppose I could try putty's key generator..06:47
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kaltsiI wish I had saved the ssh-to-emulator-in-windows instructions someone had here..06:48
stephgSviox, you can convert them with puttygen yeah06:48
stephgis not hard, can talk you through if need be06:48
Svioxgreat :)06:48
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kaltsistephg: can you talk on this channel? I can put it into our documentation then too :)06:48
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* stephg fires up windows vm06:49
kaltsithanks.. afk for a while now, will look at the logs a bit later06:49
SvioxStep 1: Download puttygen. Step 2: generate key. Step 3: Save public+private keys - anything special here? Does the private key need to be password protected?06:49
stephgSviox, you don't need to regen keys06:49
stephgthe keys for both the sdk and the emulator are in the path06:50
stephgputty doesn't understand the openssh format06:50
stephgso you have to convert them to the putty ppk format06:50
stephgthat's why you need puttygen06:50
stephgonce you have puttygen06:51
Svioxokay.. where exactly can the key be found?06:51
stephgrun it06:51
stephgand one of the options in the drop down is to import or convert keys06:51
stephgthe keys are...06:51
stephg(this is the linux path but it'll be similar): SailfishOS/vmshare/ssh/private_keys/06:52
stephgengine/ for the sdk06:52
stephgand SailfishOS_Emulator/ for the emulator06:52
SvioxOkay, 4 files in there06:53
stephgyou don't care about the .pub ones06:53
Svioxmersdk,, root and root.pub06:53 look like public keys - that would make the other extensionless files private ones?06:53
SvioxDo I need to convert both of these?06:54
stephgwell you can convert both now so you don't have to later06:54
Svioxokay - imported to puttygen - now enough to just save private key?06:55
stephgthink so yep06:55
stephgthe important think is you end up with a. ppk file06:55
stephgas that's what putty understands06:55
Svioxokay done06:55
stephghyou can then load that into putty and it'll use it for passwordless auth06:55
SvioxThen I suppose I add it to putty conf at connection  / ssh / auth?06:56
Svioxasks for login name - should it?06:57
stephgthe way the putty ui deals with connection settings per saved connections is a little unintuitive06:57
SvioxI know.. but I've learned it the hard way ;)06:58
Svioxlogin as: root06:58
SvioxServer refused our key06:58
stephgand the port forwarding is right?06:58
stephgI mean you're not trying to connect to the emulator by mistake or something06:58
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Svioxumm... perhaps I am - you mean I should connect to build engine instead?06:59
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stephgyes the engine ones are for the sdk box06:59
stephgthe emulator has it's own06:59
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stephg(I can't remember which way round the ports go)06:59
SvioxBut which am I supposed to connect to get that log from? :)07:00
stephgreading up thread, about the background thing?07:00
SvioxEmulator is 2223 and mersdk 222207:00
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stephgthat'd be the emulator07:01
stephgbut you've loaded the mersdk keys I think07:01
SvioxSo.. the port should have been correct07:01
stephgconvert one or both of the keys in SailfishOS/vmshare/ssh/private_keys/SailfishOS_Emulator/07:01
stephgand try again07:01
Svioxohhh, right..07:01
stephg(or try connecting to :2222 as root to see that that *does* work)07:02
stephgif it was the root key you were using)07:02
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SvioxOkay, converted the private key from emulator folder and now I was able to log in07:03
SvioxJust entered 'root' as username and it did not ask for password07:03 has faq page smewhere with ssh command line to copy-paste07:04
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Sviox - this one right? :)07:04
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Svioxgot the log now as well07:05
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stephgSviox, woop!07:06
Svioxthis looks like an interesting line: Apr 17 09:32:39 SailfishEmul lipstick[408]: [W] unknown:20 - qrc:/qml/compositor/GlassBackground.qml:20:5: QML Image: Cannot open: file:image://theme/graphic-wallpaper-application07:06
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SvioxStill want it as email? I think that sums it up..07:07
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SvioxOh.. this is weird.. tried to access the emulator with filezilla using nemo user instead of root but it failed.07:09
stephgover sftp?07:10
stephgor some other way?07:10
SvioxDamn. I guess I had changed password for that, it must have beeen lost in the update.07:10
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Svioxwhat was the default password?07:11
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stephgnemo iirc07:11
Svioxsftp yes07:11
stephg^that may be lies, I can't remember07:11
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Svioxnope, doesn't accept that..07:11
SvioxOh well, I changed it from settings, never mind the default..07:12
kaltsiSviox: thanks.. I have the black background and that message in logs too, I think I can try to debug it here locally07:12
SvioxOkay nice. Let me know if I can help07:13
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stephgSviox, when you say it's black even on the home screen (with the settings and components button)?07:13
SvioxOne thing I have a hunch on is that there is a wallpaper.jpg on the old emulator version. I'll check if that exists on the new.07:13
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stephgthe homescreen is darker than before because iirc the amience stuff got tweaked sometime around 1.0.2 or 1.0.307:14
SvioxYes - entirely deep black background on home (with clock), the view with cover views, and app grid07:14
SvioxI can take a screenshot if you want07:15
stephgI don't have that07:15
SvioxI'll give you a link on private chat07:16
stephgwhat I mean is on linux I have the background07:17
kaltsisome people get it and some people won't ..07:18
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matrixx /w 1407:19
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SvioxAt least "wallpaper.jpg" appears to be in place where it used to be (/usr/share/themes/jolla-ambient/meegotouch/images).07:22
SvioxThat's the jpg that is supposed to be shown - right?07:22
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SvioxOn another subject entirely: I need to create .desktop shorcuts directly into home/app launcher, but those are under root owned directory /usr/share/applications. On Harmattan I solved this by doing a small app with D-Bus interface that was ran as root via aegis manifest. Is there anything more clean solution available for Sailfish?07:32
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kaltsiSviox: this has something to do with ambienced process not setting some gconf values correctly.. we're debugging it here07:39
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Svioxkaltsi: okay thanks for the info. Is there any publicly visible bug report or similiar about the issue that I could follow-up?07:56
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kaltsiSviox: no, but if you want you could write it up in, I can comment there once we figure something out :)07:58
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rubdosChances are I'm going to order one... even two today...08:48
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rubdosSo, lets do it. How does the Jolla compare to lets say a Samsung G S3?08:52
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chem|strubdos: not samsung not android...09:04
rubdoschem|st, that's good :)09:04
rubdosThat's why you'd buy it :P09:05
chem|stequals alot faster09:05
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chem|strubdos: but for that discussion you might want to chime in #jollamobile09:06
rubdoschem|st, okay, didn't know about that channel09:07
rubdosadding to fav's :P09:07
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ouafnicohello all09:30
Stskeepshello hello09:30
ouafnicohave you got any update for this
ouafnicofor the
Stskeepsouafnico: which device09:32
ouafnicofor nexus 4 :)09:32
Stskeepswell, it should be up to date, i believe09:32
Stskeepsvoice should be full-green09:33
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ouafnicogood that's what I was waiting for :p09:33
ouafnicois it planed to use CM 11 ? based on android 4.409:33
Stskeepswe wanted to start low, then go high09:34
ouafnicoyes of course :)09:34
ouafnicohave you got a schedule plan about updates ?09:34
ouafnico(sorry for all the questions :p)09:34
Stskeepswe try not to commit ourselves too much to deadlines and focus on quality09:34
ouafnicook :)09:35
stephgoooh I got an email :)09:37
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rydarebeta2, it's happening09:42
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SvioxHmm, my existing app runs fine on new SDK, but at least one view is not scrollable - any ideas why not? It used to be.09:50
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jake9xxSviox: on emulator or device?09:52
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SvioxNot 100% sure if it's because of the update. Can't be entirely sure but I think I've seen this page scroll before.09:53
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Svioxweird.. it's just a regular page with SilicaFlickable and a long Column within it09:56
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merlin1991Sviox: you were wondering what todo on an empty list, SilicaListView has a ViewPlaceholder which ofc is not documented on, so here is a sample:
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ballockSailfish Archos porting update:10:15
ballockI managed to recompile thee droid software pieces with my CM image and install it to the device10:16
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Svioxmerlin1991: thanks!10:16
stephgballock: cool10:16
ballockI believe I got a little further, in the sense that Wayland is trying to start using the right device/drivers/stack/whatever10:17
ballockunfortunately it's stuck with a black screen now; I've got no network connectivity due to rfkill, I've got no use of hwkeyboard connected to usb, as the TTYs show nothing due to trying to display stuff on screen10:18
Stskeepsballock: just disable connmand10:18
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Stskeepscan probably just remove the .service10:18
ballockis connmand directly updating rfkill status?10:19
Stskeepsyeah likely10:19
gabriel9|workis there any component for rating?10:19
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gabriel9|worklike stars in harmattan10:19
ballockI was also wondering if it's possible to use the same USB-networking as the devl mode in Jollas10:19
ballockdoes it require kernel-level config?10:20
Stskeepsat least our init-debug stuff sets up usb networking like android does10:20
ballockthis device doesn't use fastboot10:20
ballockso I've no benefit of the init-debug10:20
SvioxBtw, is there a way to "freeze" a page for the back animation? I need to do cleanup when backstebbing and it causes the page to be updated with some placeholder/default texts etc.10:20
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ballockI'm using init=/sbin/systemd10:20
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ballockok, it's writing some constants to /sys/class/android_usb/android010:22
ballockis this one device-specific?10:23
Stskeepsit's pretty generic for any android device10:23
Stskeepsusing android gadget10:23
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merlin1991tbr are you going to sync the things from chum to
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kaltsiSviox: if you login to emulator as 'nemo' and run the following command, will you get your wallpaper back?10:25
kaltsidbus-send --session --print-reply --dest=com.jolla.ambienced /com/jolla/ambienced com.jolla.ambienced.setAmbience string:file:///usr/share/themes/jolla-ambient/meegotouch/images/wallpaper.jpg10:25
SvioxAlso, to my previous comment about a non-scrollable page. It seems the page does scroll, but the height of it is calculated wrong for some reason (i.e. bottom-most content is clipped off)10:25
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ballockok, seems I've got CONFIG_USB_G_ANDROID=y in the kernel10:26
ballockso I can just copy the debug stuff to some rc.boot script10:26
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Svioxkaltsi: Yes, background is back10:27
SvioxThank you10:27
ballockif only I knew where systemd holds /etc/rc.local...10:27
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kaltsiSviox: ok then I know what's the issue.. that command is run once when the emulator boots up the first time and there's a potential timing issue that if ambienced is not running when that script is run, then the setting is lost.. need to fix this in next emu :)10:28
Stskeepsballock: you could also just boot into /init-debug10:28
SvioxLinux starup timing issues - got to love them. (just yesterday tried to make some sense of bugs on an upstart script..)10:29
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admiral0Sviox: upstart will die soon hopefully10:31
SvioxHow come?10:32
ballockSviox: Ubuntu is switching to systemd?10:33
ballocknobody will be left using upstart10:33
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ballockStskeeps: I'll try that one10:36
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ballockNoGy_: is it possible to hexedit the kernel to change the command line boot arguments?10:37
faenilwondering why "Clean" in QtCreator triggers rebuild..10:43
tbrmerlin1991: I'll copypac them to testing and then go one by one before promoting to U510:49
tbrmerlin1991: I'm currently very short on time though, so it might be twoards the end of easter weekend.10:49
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cosmo__any pro tips or up to date wiki page for installing google play?11:03
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cos-this seems to be quite recent
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Nicd-that's newer than what I did so it's probably ok11:05
jussiStskeeps: excellent timing on the new release, thanks.... thats my easter weekend gone...11:05
Stskeepsjussi: i can assure you that it is fully intentional11:05
Nicd-Stskeeps is laughing in his lair of evil11:05
jussiStskeeps: I assumed so :D11:05
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kimmoliRelease names should be finnish dishes;  "Mämmi" would suit easter11:23
Stskeepsif we run out of lakes, i'd like us to move to currency names..11:23
Nicd-Sailfish OS Doge11:24
ballockI guess *if* is the keyword here11:24
cos-are we going to get an easter update?11:24
Stskeepsdidn't we just like, release update5 very recently?11:25
ballockI got a couple of non-finnish names if you ran out of the Finnish ones11:25
cos-i hope you put an easter egg in it :-)11:25
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cos-are there lakes outside finland?11:25
ballockIs Poland the country where polar bears walk on the streets?11:26
Stskeepsballock: no, it's just pensionists randomly walking into the stret in order to collect life insurance for their children..11:26
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cos-yes, and they drink zubrowka and shout "kurwa!"11:26
sharpneliballock: polandbears *badum tsihh*11:27
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kkruglovhey, does store work in new build for nexus 4?11:28
ballockfor the unaware ones, that was an actual question asked by Spice Girls when they were going on the European tour :p11:29
jussikkruglov: email says no11:29
Stskeepsnot yet11:29
Stskeepsnext release hopefully11:29
Stskeepsballock: O_o11:29
kkruglovoh, i'm not so attentive11:29
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thehorsestapleAlso, do mp3s work on nexus 4 now?11:30
Stskeepsno; it's not so much about working but about codec licenses11:30
Stskeepsi'm sure people can find a way though to install it somehow11:30
ballockI guess the same would go for the alien machine?11:31
jussiStskeeps: curiousity, how different are the builds for N4 and i9300? is there a large difference or just a few specific things?11:31
Stskeepsjussi: hw adaptation differs11:31
thehorsestapleYeah the codecs could probably be released seperately11:31
Stskeepsballock: :nod:11:31
Stskeepsalien won't work outside jolla device11:31
Stskeepsin the build that's on it11:31
ballocklicense verification based on device ID?11:32
Stskeepsworse, technical reasons11:32
kkruglovyou mean that alien is not free, so that's why it can't be included11:32
Stskeepsas in, anything that'd cost jolla anything is not included currently11:32
Stskeepswe don't have proper numbers on the volume of people installing it, but this time around we count11:32
Stskeepswhen you have count, you can budget.. :)11:32
ballockoh, fixing the technical reasons would be too easy11:33
ballock(were the alien machine open source)11:33
Stskeepsit's not, sadly11:33
thehorsestapleCan't wait to see if someone releases codecs, the only reason I still use android11:33
Stskeepsthehorsestaple: well, our multimedia framework is GStreamer..11:33
sharpneliStskeeps: What about codecs that are in the android itself? Hasn't the buyer of the phone already paid license for them?11:34
thehorsestapleGood point11:34
Stskeepssharpneli: that's also a possibility11:34
Stskeepsbut it's a bit of a grey area legally11:34
Stskeeps=> costs money to evaluate11:34
sharpneliSure. I bet the codec licensers would love to double dip11:34
cos-i wonder why no-one has started project like alien dalvik as foss11:35
Stskeepscos-: i keep asking myself the same thing.11:36
thehorsestapleSorry, but what's the significance of Gstreamer?11:36
ballockI think I saw something on the netz11:36
Stskeepsthehorsestaple: as in it's just a pluginable multimedia framework11:36
Stskeepsplenty of source codes out there for plugins11:36
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ballockbut I don't think it's in any way production ready11:36
thehorsestapleAh I see11:36
Stskeepsi know that a guy from ubuntu started something way back that managed to build dalvik and android userland for glibc11:36
Stskeepsbut never released source code11:37
cos-i think implementing the dalvik custom classes should be a pretty small job compared to for example wine11:38
ballockwow, if that's something that you can even compare, than it's kind of hopeless11:39
ballockwine is out there... well, *quite* a long time11:39
ballockeven a tenth of it is hell lot of work11:39
thehorsestapleCan't gstreamer plugins be released like how ubuntu does it?11:43
Mnsu_aren't there a lot of those codecs available from openrepos?11:44
thehorsestapleLooking into that right now11:45
thehorsestapleThere seems to be 'bad extra codecs' and 'ugly codecs'.. hmm11:46
Mnsu_those probably contain most of the stuff you ever need11:47
jussibad were the mp3 ones iirc11:47
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thehorsestapleThanks, will install and try11:48
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carepackhey ho!11:50
carepackphone calls working now! You have to mark green adaption libhybris :-) It's the most important thing -I know :-)11:51
Stskeepshope you like it11:51
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carepackI'm sure I will! thx stskeeps and all other dev's. Is there any possibility to get musicplayer to work. Can't live without music....11:52
thehorsestapleTry installing gstreamer plugins from openrepos11:55
carepackIn ea version 1 I've tried. But was not able to play.11:55
thehorsestapleDoes anyone know the difference between Bad and Ugly plugins?11:55
carepackgsm is green now! yeah!11:56
carepackthehorsestaple: sorry don't know the difference. It's not described somewhere?11:56
carepacktake a look
thehorsestapleWikipedia article on gstreamer makes some sense, but there are mp3 codecs in both bad and ugly, don't know which one is suitable11:57
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Stskeeps , heh, funny old project11:58
Stskeeps(re runtime discussion)11:58
thehorsestapleStskeeps: Looks good11:59
carepackIt' getting alive again?11:59
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stephghmm fingerterm seems to be 'worse' in the new build12:09
stephganyone else have trouble inputting with it? (or is my n4 being laggy this morning)12:10
thehorsestapleEven the browser is worse12:13
stephgthehorsestaple: the browser? how so?12:13
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thehorsestaple_Browser isn't responding to touch12:16
thehorsestaple_Webcat is working fine though12:16
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thehorsestaple_Strange, even the 'not production release' message has disappeared12:18
thehorsestaple_Love this update :D12:18
Stskeepsthehorsestaple_: did you wipe the data first?12:19
stephgthehorsestaple_: works for me12:19
stephgthehorsestaple_: which image is it? the one with or without the demo stuff?12:20
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sublinhadoHi, how can I be registered to beta test Sailfish OS for Nexus 4?12:23
thehorsestaplesublinhado: PM sledges12:23
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Nicd-message sledges with your email, devices and why you want to be an early adopter12:24
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sublinhadoThank you for the information12:24
merlin1991hm I somehow can't ssh into the mersdk, the connection starts, but fails with "ssh_exchange_identification: Connection closed by remote host"12:25
stephgmerlin1991: that usually means something is not healthy :)12:25
stephgyou may want to unhide the sdk vm and get onto the console12:25
merlin1991It's a clean new install ...12:26
merlin1991don't know what to look for on the console though12:26
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thehorsestapleDo I need to delete data before flashing sailfish?12:27
Stskeepsyes, doesn't anybody read my e-mails..12:27
* Stskeeps goes see if that's in there12:27
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stephghey Stskeeps where'd the fun be in reading the emails!12:28
Stskeepsokay, it may be a bit unclear12:28
Stskeepsif you reflash from scratch 4.2.2, i'm fairly sure it'll clean out user too, if i'm not wrong12:28
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merlin1991stephg: any hints on where to look, journalctl is fairly empty regarding my ssh attempts12:28
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stephgmerlin1991: just booting mine now to have a look12:29
thehorsestapleSorry, thanks :P12:29
Stskeepsthehorsestaple: no problem12:29
thehorsestapleStskeeps: What if I flash sailfish over the previous sailfish release?12:30
sledgesthehorsestaple: that's fine12:30
Guest65040please can you all let me know if there is a new version of Jolla for nexus 4?12:30
sledgesGuest65040: yes there is :)12:31
Guest65040if there is, can you please give me the link :)12:31
Stskeepsthehorsestaple: that's what i said, you need to wipe the data :)12:31
Stskeepsthat'll wipe sailfish12:31
Nicd-Guest65040: didn't you get an email?12:31
Guest65040I loved sailfish is!12:31
sledgesGuest65040: sign up for early adopters so you receive future links+rel_notes first and automagically ;)12:31
Guest65040nope, how do I get an email?12:31
sledgesGuest65040: pm me your email12:31
thehorsestapleStskeeps: That's great :)12:31
sledgesStskeeps: thehorsestaple: sailfish .zip installer wipes previous sailfish installation12:32
merlin1991stephg: it looks to me like systemd fails to launch sshd, the socket is preloaded and the unit status is active, but when I connect no sshd is in the processlist12:32
sledges (not the whole data though)12:32
Stskeepssledges: not always..12:32
thehorsestapleTried all gstreamer plugins, but mp3 still doesn't work. Any ideas?12:32
Stskeeps fwiw12:32
Stskeepsjust point people to there, as well12:32
thehorsestapleStskeeps: Perfect, that's what I did12:32
Guest65040my email id is danishdhanshe2@gmail.com12:33
thehorsestapleGuest65040: Should've put that in a private message :D12:34
sledgesGuest65040: now your email is exposed in public logs files12:34
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Guest65040I don't care :p12:34
sledgesgood :D12:35
stephgmerlin1991: random thought12:35
stephgwonder if it didn't generate the server host keys12:35
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stephgdo you have /etc/ssh/ssh_host_*? 4 files, an rsa and dsa private key and their public counterparts12:36
merlin1991yep and they all have timestamps older than today, so shipped with the vm image12:36
stephgmerlin1991: hm not sure they'd be shipped with the image12:36
stephgbut maybe12:37
stephganyway you don't have any sshd entries in your journalctl output?12:37
merlin1991well I installed that today and the host keys have dates of 14.april can't be generated today then12:37
Stskeepsso, did anybody try out the new image, any impressions?12:39
Stskeeps(for nexus 4)12:40
merlin1991hm it seems like the networking layer from virtual box fails massively12:40
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kkruglovis there any way to install downloaded rpm12:42
Stskeepsrpm -i12:42
kkruglovvia terminal12:42
merlin1991because when I use the console, log in as root and do ssh localhost, it happily does a "permission denied (publickey)"12:42
thehorsestapleStskeeps: any reason why the 'not production release' message has disappeared?12:42
Stskeepsdevel-su with password in developer mode12:42
* merlin1991 reboots the host12:42
Nicd-or pkcon install-local rpm-file-name12:42
Stskeepsthehorsestaple: it's on my images.. what'd you do?12:42
stephgmerlin1991: probably a sensible idea12:42
Nicd-doesn't need devel-su12:42
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thehorsestapleStskeeps: No idea :P Installed a bunch of gstreamer plugins12:44
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Stskeepsthehorsestaple: ok, might have picked up alternative homescreen then12:44
Stskeepsso it goes12:44
thehorsestapleStskeeps: This is great. Unfortunately mp3s still don't play :P12:44
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Stskeepsthehorsestaple: for various reasons i can't really help you more than that at this point :)12:45
Stskeepsyou're in right direction it seems though12:45
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thehorsestapleStskeeps: No problem :D12:45
merlin1991hm didn't help12:45
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stephgmerlin1991: does your emulator also not work?12:47
merlin1991didn't even try that yet12:47
stephgi.e. is it something murky in vbox as you suggest?12:47
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stephg(also what's your host running?)12:47
thehorsestapleStskeeps: youtube audio is working now, interesting12:48
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merlin1991stephg: the host is debian wheezy and emulator I get as far as the password prompt (forgot to use the proper ssh key)12:51
guimendesis sailfishos' kernel much different of android kernel?12:51
stephgso if you get the password prompt they negotiate successfully12:51
merlin1991yep emulator works happily12:51
stephgI wonder what's up with your sdk12:51
Yanielcloser to msinlinr linux I suppose?12:51
Stskeepsguimendes: no, same kernel as is on the device; but it's a very different userland system12:52
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guimendesI was questioning because I want Sailfish running into dualboot12:52
guimendesmaybe I can help you guys12:53
Stskeepswe use different kernel options/configs, but not kernels ource12:53
lbterm wrong project12:53
lbtguimendes: dual boot would be good, yes12:54
lbtI played with kexec briefly but it failed to boot12:54
lbt(2nd kernel booted and stopped just around usb init time)12:55
guimendesI built my own kernel using tassadar's commits12:55
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guimendesI'm not a kernel dev, but I can take a look on it on weekend12:56
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merlin1991this is so wtfy, netstat -ltnp has sshd listening on (after a systemctl start sshd.service)13:01
merlin1991a "ssh localhost" on the sdk console comes up to the key negotiation, but when I try todo the ssh -p 2222 on the host nothing happens13:01
stephgport forwarding is messed up?13:02
merlin1991I checked the portforwarding in the virtualbox ui, there is the 2222 -> 22, netstat ... on the host shows me "tcp        0      0*               LISTEN      4094/VirtualBox"13:03
merlin1991iptables on the sdk are empty, and for good measure I just flushed the iptables on the host13:04
merlin1991still no connection ...13:04
kkruglovthis build is quite okay, installed tweetian and 4sale from warehouse13:05
kkrugloveverything is smooth, but sometimes phone completely freezes, for 5-6 seconds, or less.13:06
kaltsimerlin1991: what be the problem.. can't connect to mersdk?13:06
merlin1991kaltsi: yep13:06
merlin1991emu works sdk doesn't and it's a clean install from the offline installer13:06
kaltsimerlin1991: ok.. you can get in from console.. what network interfaces you see there with ifconfig, can you pastebin?13:07
merlin1991you know the console has no text selection ;)13:07
kaltsiwelll.. does it mount the shared folders?13:07
stephgzypper install gpm lol13:07
kaltsiyou can copy the file to your host from there13:07
kaltsi/home/mersdk/share/ should be your home dir13:07
merlin1991yep the shared folders are mounted13:08
kaltsibtw do you have linux or mac?13:08
merlin1991debian wheezy13:08
kaltsiok.. let's see them interfaces :)13:08
merlin1991there's eth0 with no address, eth1 with
kaltsiok eth0 with no address is the problem13:09
kaltsidid you run qt creator first before starting mersdk?13:09
merlin1991I didn't13:09
merlin1991should that make a difference?13:10
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kaltsiif not.. shut mersdk down, start qt creator and startup mersdk and voila ssh works13:10
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kaltsiwhen you first time run qtcreator it creates a file: ~/SailfishOS/vmshare/devices.xml and merdsk wants to see that file to configure its eth013:10
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kaltsibut then you can close qtcreator.. it just needs to be started once13:11
kaltsiif you don't want to use it that is13:11
william-genEA2 for N4 published13:11
merlin1991may I ask what is so qtcreator specific about that ip that the installer can't create said file?13:11
kaltsimerlin1991: stupid design.. I can change that later13:12
kaltsiI can change it so that it falls back to a specific ip if that file is not found13:12
merlin1991that would be a good idea I guess13:12
kaltsibut does it work for you now?13:13
william-genwhy so quikly publish EA2 for N4 and leave so many known issue13:14
merlin1991all I wanted todo is to rsync the arm sb target from the sdk vm to my host system so I can use it together with the mer platformsdk13:14
kaltsimerlin1991: you can also download the target tarball13:14
merlin1991damn, that would have been way easier ...13:15
merlin1991but thanks13:15
guimendesguys where should I go to subscribe into early adopters for nexus 4?13:15
Nicd-guimendes: pm sledges with your email, devices and why you want to be an ea13:16
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Nicd-lovely to see so many people wanting to try out sailfish :)13:16
william-genlink in xda forum13:16
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guimendesthanks Nicd-13:17
rusty88 and there'll be more as soon as the hardware adaption kit is release :D13:17
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Nicd-yeah, I bet13:18
Nicd-I'm very excited for the future13:18
william-genNicd-:why so quickly publish EA2 for N4?13:18
Nicd-william-gen: don't ask me, I'm not a jolla employee13:18
Nicd-but why not? they published 1.0.5 for jolla devices too13:19
Nicd-I for one like frequent updates13:19
Waiteewhat does the EA2 stand for?13:19
* merlin1991 copy pastes the sb2-init line from the sdk vm13:19
Nicd-Waitee: early access release 2 I guess13:20
william-genNicd-: too many known issue not rolved13:20
Nicd-william-gen: well, it's early access. it's not meant to work completely13:20
Yanielor at least not expected to13:21
william-genin fact,if publish it aftet a week to workaround some known issues,it is better13:22
william-genafter a week13:23
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merlin1991kaltsi: is there a reason why the sb2 tarballs contain the /dev/null /dev/ptmx ... files?13:33
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kaltsimerlin1991: I really don't now remember if those are required or not.. could be just because no-one has really paid attention13:37
kkruglovis there any possibility of taking screenshots?13:37
kkruglovI know that there is app, but it is available only on jolla harbour13:37
stephgkkruglov: can be done via dbus on the command line13:37
kkruglovcan you explain more..? i'm not very good at command line, so ;c13:38
stephgjust getting the command for you now13:38
kaltsimerlin1991: the target tarballs contain lots of unnecessary cruft.. it's my intention to get rid of unnecessary packages, but it requires touching a couple of patterns and I haven't had time to do it13:38
kkruglovqdbus "saveScreenshot", "/home/nemo/Pictures.123.png"13:39
kkruglovfor example13:39
kkruglovit's from, so I can be wrong :D13:40
william-genwhat is the timeline of next EA for N4?13:40
stephgyou can try that, don't know if it works, as it's not what I've used before13:40
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stephgvery similar :)13:41
kkruglovwow. thx coderus13:41
coderuskkruglov: install qt5-qttools-qdbus13:41
kkruglovand again13:42
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stephgreally should put that as a HOWTO on tjc13:42
coderusMitakuuluu will have share plugin:,JHWfvWY,OG4C0Et13:42
stephgis such a common question13:42
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stephgwilliam-gen: probably after update6 for the jolla13:42
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netzviehKurzzeitmesser sounds like an awful translation oO14:00
carepacklol. yes14:01
sledgeswilliam-gen why are you asking that interestingly?14:02
sledgeswhat issues are the most bleeding for you?14:03
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sledgeswilliam-gen: also HADK will be published, where community will be able to reproduce the build of image themselves from sources and fix bugs this way14:05
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carepackfirst impression = great release. more fluidly almost everywhere.14:12
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kkruglovcutespotify is playing music well14:47
flotroni'm having problem to allow "non trusted software" on nexus 4 update 514:51
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coderusflotron: is this option really working at all? :D14:56
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sledgesflotron: we should be more explicit when saying that "Jolla store infra is not supported"15:01
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flotronok, because i thought it was possible in update 4. Ok15:05
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ballockI guess it's more of people being too thrilled to see the thing to read the whole email.15:09
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ballockI am reading it, as I know it won't work out-of-the-box for me anyway15:09
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ballockso I am wondering if any of the stuff in it would make it any easier for me.15:09
ballockI guess it pretty much means you would have better feedback if the image was of worse quality.15:10
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tabaskohow I export rpm from qtcreator? :)15:27
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tabaskogot these errors when trying to build, maybe its trying to deploy it right away to device?15:28
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kaltsitabasko: that does not look healthy15:46
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kaltsitabasko: how did you install the sdk and is your project somehow "special"?15:48
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tabaskokaltsi: I did manage to add my jolla as device and deploy as rpm :)15:58
tabaskonope, just regular install and after that upgrade. Running on opensuse 13.115:58
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kaltsitabasko: if you create the simple template project, does that work for you?16:01
kaltsitabasko: and regular install when? .. we just released the new SDK yesterday, if you installed that it should not offer any upgrades16:02
kaltsiif you just want to create RPM packages and not deploy to device then you will need to select the "Deploy by building an RPM package" and then select Deploy project fom the Build Menu.. this will just build the RPM's for you16:03
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Stskeepsadditional views on the nexus 4 release?17:06
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kkruglovI think you know what most of people waiting, we need camera and android layer, and it will be ok17:20
kkruglovi'm glad to use it as daily driver, but need camera and onenote17:20
kkruglovit feels very snappy, most of time, so.17:21
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lbtkkruglov: we had to leave *something* fun for the community to do!17:33
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locusfso the SDK issues are now ironed out?17:41
locusfI can safely update?17:41
Stskeepskkruglov: good, how about daily usage?17:42
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kkruglovafter one of 4-6 wakes (when I unlock it) interface freezing17:43
kkruglovother times there is no problems at all17:44
Stskeepsyeah, i think there's some oddity issue going on with update517:44
Stskeepswe see the same on jolla devices in rare circumstances17:44
kkruglovcan't say what about battery or something, I can't use it longer than for half of today's17:44
kkruglovi'm student, so i have to do some photos of papers everyday and need notes in university17:45
Stskeepsah, yes17:45
Stskeepsi used to be quite a onenote user. i had made it such that i handwrote notes on my nokia n810 and had it pdf imported into onenote.17:45
Stskeeps.. set up the pipeline way before onenote for android or anything17:45
kkruglovinteresting idea, hm17:46
kkruglovmay be i will look into it in future17:46
kkruglovi noticed one interesting thing with sailfish17:46
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kkruglovit's not the same on images/videos as in life, i mean, for example with n9 and harmattan, u see video or photo, and right away you understand that it is very intuitive17:47
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kkruglovwith sailfish it's different, on videos it looks unintuitive at some parts, but in use it's great, very very great17:48
Stskeepsyou're an expert after a day17:48
kkruglovbut some things in ui very confusing17:48
kkruglovin apps, the main idea is working perfect17:49
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Stskeepswe're continously improving the ui .. it takes a long time to get it really perfect, but i'm feeling like i'm in pain when i'm back at android or n9 these days :P17:49
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Stskeepsyou'll soon feel the same.17:50
kkruglovplease, tell someone who is working on browser, make something with tabs17:50
Stskeepsthere's tabs there, but not real tabs in that version (AFAIK)17:50
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kkruglovit sounds17:52
kkruglovlike a mistery17:52
kkruglovcan i ask a question about jolla phone itself?17:52
kkruglovwhy 400 euro17:52
kkruglovit's epic price for my country, for example..17:52
Yanielit's an epic phone too :D17:53
Stskeepsnow that would be sales guys who'd have to explain17:53
kkruglovi mean, i bought nexus 4 for 220$17:53
Stskeepsfirst off, there's two classes of price ranges for phones17:53
Stskeepsok, three17:53
StskeepsLTE, 3G, 2G17:53
Stskeepsnexus 4 might be a more powerful beast on cpu and screen and gpu and ram17:53
Stskeepsbut it's not a LTE device (while you can hack it, it's not sold as such)17:53
Stskeepswhen you sell a LTE device, it goes to a higher price bracket17:54
faeniljolla: you can hack it, but it's also sold as such :D17:54
kkruglovi have only 2g, hate operators in Ukraine (now i'm in Russia, because of crimea, but still only 2g :D )17:54
Stskeepskkruglov: i have a bit odd question to ask about that situation.. does that in any way change your timezones?17:54
kkruglovok, seems that 4g is very necessary and important thing in Europe/usa17:55
kkruglovyep, it change, for 1 hour17:55
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kkruglovnow i have Moscow time17:55
kkruglov+4 gmt17:55
Stskeepsi kinda wonder what tzdata database says about that..17:55
kkruglovit was like a pain when we changed to summertime (2 hours...)17:55
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Stskeepsalso not to mention what MCC and MNC your mobile providers has now..17:57
kkruglovthe most confusing thing in this situations it's banks and other organizations when some of them still thinks that we are Ukraine, and some that we are not. ahf17:57
Stskeepsi think i'm going to have to give our time daemon guy grey hair with this17:57
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kkruglovwhat operators i have in my country?17:58
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kkruglovok, mnc and mcc it's mobile codes of operators, hm, hard to say, wait a minute.18:01
kkruglovthere are MTS UKR, Kievstar and Life ;)18:02
StskeepsMCC is country code, of all things18:02
kkruglov255 if i'm not mistaken18:04
Stskeepsok, so ukraine18:04
Stskeepsi'll be honest and say i'm not sure how we'd solve automatic timezone setting in that regard :)18:06
kkruglovi don't thin that there are a lot of people with nexus 4 in crimea..18:07
kkruglovand of course not so much with jolla too18:07
kkruglovi think most of people here knows that we use the same time as Moscow, so don't worry.18:08
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carepacksorry, in recovery i can't find the nemo home folder. where have I to navigate? last version I've found in stowaways..18:10
Stskeepscarepack: should be in stowaways18:12
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carepackwhat???? Something in my view.... ;)?18:12
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Stskeepsif you wiped data or reinstalled sailfish the folder contents is likely gone though18:13
ottoanybody here who could process ?18:14
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carepackstskeeps: stupid carepack :-( thx stskeeps. that's the point. I've done a factory reset18:15
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* artemma apparently submitted his app fix to harbour just a little too late and testers will probably get back to office on Tuesday only..18:20
M4rtinKregarding timezones - using GeoIP with the maxmind database gives quite good results :)18:22
M4rtinKfor anyone wanting to try it out:
M4rtinKthis is what we use to preset the language and timezone in the Fedora installer :)18:23
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matrixxcorrect me if I'm wrong, but I assume silica does not have a component which I could use for multiselection list, like combobox but I could select multiple items, as is?18:31
coderus14.04 is here18:33
coderusmatrixx: silica doesnt have selection lists at all18:33
coderusyou need to implement it yourself if needed18:33
matrixxyeah, already thinking of list of TextSwitches18:34
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Acceartemma: what'd you submit?19:04
artemmaDaily Ambience19:04
Acceoh, cool :)19:04
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artemmaAcce: still not guaranteed to pass. I fixed my mistake (storing thumbs in wrong cache folder), but there was 2nd complaign in storing files in .cache/ambienced folder19:05
artemmaproblem is that it's ambienced daemon that creates them there19:05
artemmaI just ask daemon to create ambience and don't want to be responsible for his opinion on where to store artifacts :)19:06
Accemhmm.. well, we'll see19:06
artemmaAcce: are you working for jolla BTW?19:08
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artemmathere's something I'd like to understand about support processes. I was never able to get a reply from developer-care and would like to understand the reasons. Maybe my letters are not specific enough or too silly to answer or something like this19:10
Acceartemma: nope, researcher at uni :)19:11
AcceI once sent something about my app not showing correctly in the store, and got reply 1 month later19:12
Accebut I really don't know by which sorting method they choose the messages that are answered first..19:13
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sledgeslbt: tbr: 21:14 < otto> anybody here who could process ?19:28
sledgesour first customer ^_^19:28
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tbrsledges: accepted, now test it :)19:31
coderusmatrixx: dont. use BackgroundItem19:31
coderuslist of switches is not Sailfish Silica style19:31
matrixxcoderus: I though backgrounditem is like a button that I can't leave that in the pressed state19:35
matrixxas I would need in multiselection19:35
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matrixxlike it was clickable, and down property is only used for temporary pressed state when "mouse" is down, but I might be wrong19:37
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coderusits programming19:52
coderusyou can do whatever you need19:53
coderusi just suggesting better ux case19:53
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* artemma would go for switches probably..20:00
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artemmamatrixx: coderus: Sailfish doesn't have a recommended multiselection mechanism I think, but e.g. in Settings switches with icons are used for multiselection20:00
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artemmain a grid, not in a list. Cloning such a UI would possibly feel nativish20:01
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ottotbr: thanks20:12
ottotbr: I added more build targets to my home project:
ottoHow do I add a build target for the chum submitted version so that there would be a i586 version (that runs on the emulator)?20:21
ottotbr: there is also a target "SailfishOS latest", why are we not using it and instead a customized chum target? See
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ottotbr: where in general are people supposed to find more information about how to use OBS channel into SailfishOS repos? There is nothing on google with keywords like "sailfishos chum" or "obs chum". Neither has Mer wiki anything about "chum".20:25
ottotbr: just suggestions.. I'm going to blog about this, so it would be nice to link to more information somewhere20:26
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artemmaAnybody used HorizontalScrollDecorator?21:17
artemmaI can't figure how to show wide text21:17
artemmawider than screen21:17
specialput it in a flickable21:17
artemmathat's preformatted BSD license that is to be shown, so I wouldn't like to reformat21:18
artemmaspecial I try, decorator seems to never appear :/21:18
specialmake sure contentWidth and contentHeight are set correctly21:18
artemmahmm, maybe contentWidth..21:18
artemmaah, indeed. right now text is inside column that is anchored to Flickable..21:19
artemmaI can flick horizontally now, but can't see decorator21:20
specialit should be inside the flickable21:20
artemmaah, notticed it!21:20
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artemmatrying to make inner Flickable scrolling (for sort'a license showing text area) and fail. SilicaFlickable seems to grab all touch events21:42
specialyou should avoid putting interactive flickables inside other interactive flickables if at all possible21:43
artemmamaybe WebView could work better..21:43
artemmaspecial: I know and agree, but exactly for long legal texts that nobody is gonna read, it is sort of a proper pattern, isn't it?21:44
artemmalike scrollable textareas on the web21:44
specialmaybe tap to open a page with only the license text, which can be freely scrollable?21:45
specialassuming you have other content on your first page21:45
artemmaThat is an option, I just wanted to make a couple of lines large intro text on top21:45
artemmaSomething like "my cool app uses nemothumbnailer licensed under BSD that is reproduced below"21:46
artemmayeah, full screen single flickable is the most proper solution indeed..21:46
artemmaI need to put this intro one level up then21:46
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m4g0ggood night21:53
m4g0gwho send c++ struct to qml?21:54
Accem4g0g: hmm.. make a function which converts it into QJsonObject21:55
m4g0gI think may be better to use Q_PROPERTY?21:55
Acceyes, but you need the function anyways, since qml does not understand C++ struct as-is21:56
Acceif I understand correctly what you mean21:56
m4g0gAcce: if I has Q_PROPERTY to each field in struct/class I don't need convert it json21:57
Acceah, so you have a class, which inherits QObject?21:57
m4g0gthis class has user profile info21:58
Acceok, then just use Q_PROPERTY normally21:58
Acceyep, just note that while you can use Q_PROPERTY in a QObject inheriting class, you cannot use Q_PROPERTY in a struct22:00
artemmaAh, If I have SilicaFlickable that is really wide with horizontal scrolling, then PageHeader is rendered on the very right of the content area :/22:00
artemmamaybe I need to anchor it better somehow..22:00
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