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| lainwir3d | good morning | 06:16 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 06:23 |
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| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: I *finally* got the ball rolling on getting a Nexus 4 (by getting my wife a Nexus 5 and paying for it using Bitcoin) | 07:41 |
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| Stskeeps | dwangoAC: cool | 07:42 |
| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: As soon as I get acces to the Nexus 4 I'll start testing with whatever is current at that time | 07:42 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 07:42 |
| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: Should be by the end of the week | 07:42 |
| dwangoAC | (I hope. :) | 07:42 |
| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: Thanks for your patience and my apologies for not being able to do this earlier. I read the entire E-Mail update, sounds like good progress was made on things like phone calls. How is other stuff going? | 07:43 |
| Stskeeps | slow but good, the work to be done is mostly on the hw adaptation side; the OS keeps evolving because it's same OS as on the jolla devices | 07:43 |
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| dwangoAC | Right | 07:44 |
| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: Account integration working? | 07:44 |
| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: That seemed software side | 07:44 |
| Stskeeps | such as? | 07:45 |
| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: The latest E-Mail said that you couldn't register on jolla.com, I think | 07:45 |
| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: I'd have to re-read it to get the exact wording, but it sounded like the whole thing was just disabled | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | ah, yes - it's because of some problems in our infra | 07:45 |
| Stskeeps | we're sorting it out | 07:45 |
| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: Not sure how much of an impact that really is, sounded bad out of context :) | 07:46 |
| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: The big ticket item I needed was at least some way to make a phone call, I can figure out the rest from there | 07:46 |
| Stskeeps | yeah you can | 07:46 |
| dwangoAC | Stskeeps: I'm also going to see if there's a way to flash the firmware to enable LTE support on the Nexus 4 on T-Mobile's network, not sure if that's possible or has been done before | 07:46 |
| Stskeeps | not sure; but we haven't published LTE in jolla device yet either | 07:47 |
| dwangoAC | OK | 07:47 |
| dwangoAC | I can be patient on that. :) | 07:47 |
| dwangoAC | I'm stuck on EDGE right now. | 07:47 |
| tbr-fi | I seem to remember some incomplete hacks on TJC | 07:47 |
| dwangoAC | tbr-fi: Interesting | 07:47 |
| tbr-fi | incomplete as they could only hard switch between one or the other | 07:47 |
| dwangoAC | Ouch, yeah, that's fairly incomplete :) | 07:48 |
| tbr-fi | well nobody does LTE voice so far, or not many networks, so you're out of voice service by switching. neat eh? | 07:48 |
| dwangoAC | Anyway, thanks to everyone who was involved in getting phonecall support on the Nexus 4 alpha | 07:48 |
| dwangoAC | tbr-fi: Oh, really? I thought T-Mobile was going exclusively to LTE and ignoring all other upgrades... | 07:49 |
| dwangoAC | tbr-fi: I'm still trying to find good sources of information on that, though - xda has been good but it's a lot to wade through | 07:49 |
| dwangoAC | Lots of times the information is there but finding it is very difficult | 07:49 |
| tbr-fi | dwangoAC: mh, maybe they are then | 07:50 |
| dwangoAC | tbr-fi: I could just as easily be wrong :) | 07:50 |
| dwangoAC | tbr-fi: The MetroPCS merger kind of forced their hand | 07:50 |
| dwangoAC | The only path forward was to basically scrap both existing networks (or, rather, cap them and grow in LTE) | 07:50 |
| tbr-fi | do they have areas with only LTE coverage? | 07:51 |
| dwangoAC | tbr-fi: Not sure, probably a few | 07:52 |
| dwangoAC | Most of it is just upgrading major cities for the time being | 07:52 |
| dwangoAC | tbr-fi: I suspect it's more like "You'll get better coverage in this metropolitan area by using an LTE capable phone because we've been putting that on nearly all of our towers" | 07:52 |
| tbr-fi | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9240588/Voice_over_LTE_won_39_t_take_off_until_2015_will_have_to_compete_with_telephony_apps | 07:53 |
| tbr-fi | that's basically what I know | 07:53 |
| tbr-fi | possible that T-Mobile has that stuff in place | 07:54 |
| Stskeeps | meanwhile: http://prostheticknowledge.tumblr.com/post/83037951528/micro-robots-sri-international-have-developed | 07:55 |
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| tbr-fi | robot apocalypse is coming! | 08:00 |
| stephg | yikes | 08:03 |
| stephg | but cool | 08:03 |
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| freedomrun | gm | 09:04 |
| freedomrun | is there a way to try sailfishos on some android tablet? | 09:06 |
| tbr-fi | nothing that would work "out of the box" | 09:06 |
| tbr-fi | that said it has been shown on the 2012 nexus-7 and basically should run on anything that has CM10.1 | 09:07 |
| freedomrun | ok I have cm10.1 on it already but it is not nexus .. also I didn`t expect it to work out of box but some guidlines would be awesome to have | 09:08 |
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| tbr-fi | an "adptation kit" is supposedly coming | 09:14 |
| tbr-fi | details are sparse, you might want to wait unless you want to to a _lot_ of things manually | 09:14 |
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| freedomrun | thnx tbr-fi for the information | 09:18 |
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| freedomrun | downloading sailfishossdk 64bit for linux atm so I`ll see .. have aprox: 5 days to do something with this tab | 09:20 |
| Nicd- | sailfish os sdk is for developing apps though | 09:21 |
| freedomrun | and android is really bad solution | 09:21 |
| freedomrun | only for apps?! | 09:21 |
| freedomrun | oh | 09:21 |
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| squidd | WHY! | 09:51 |
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| squidd | sorry wrong screen | 09:55 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | squidd: BECAUSE! | 10:06 |
| squidd | my jolla machine just crashed :( | 10:07 |
| squidd | then I turned it off and it was red light all over | 10:07 |
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| sharefree | hey yo | 11:11 |
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| william-gen | hi | 11:15 |
| sharefree | william-gen, What is up man | 11:16 |
| squidd | william-gen is a man?! | 11:17 |
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| sharefree | william-gen, hi sorry i did not know | 11:18 |
| squidd | sharefree: I was just messing with you, pretty sure william-gen is a man :D | 11:18 |
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| sharefree | squidd, why do you prefer sailish over android | 11:19 |
| sharefree | I am writing an article on Sailfish | 11:19 |
| william-gen | publishing of sailfish EA2 for N4 is so hurry that many many known bugs do not be fixed | 11:19 |
| william-gen | a man ,of cz | 11:20 |
| squidd | sharefree: because its different | 11:20 |
| squidd | and new | 11:20 |
| sharefree | squidd, what is so new about it ? | 11:20 |
| william-gen | what' new? | 11:21 |
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| sharefree | william-gen, why do you prefer sailfish over android ? | 11:21 |
| squidd | sharefree: UI wich works with gestures is pretty new I believe | 11:22 |
| william-gen | the screen resolution of offical jolla phone one is lowsharefree: the screen resolution of offical jolla phone one is low | 11:23 |
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| william-gen | sharefree: and I am in china,not europe,can not buy a jolla phone | 11:28 |
| sharefree | william-gen, I know so you use it for that reason ? | 11:28 |
| sharefree | squidd, so UI is what is love outta whole Sailfish OS ? | 11:28 |
| william-gen | not enough? | 11:29 |
| sharefree | william-gen, same | 11:29 |
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| squidd | sharefree: no love. I just like to use new stuff. Sailfish is new compared to other mobile os's so I use that | 11:29 |
| william-gen | sharefree: where are you | 11:29 |
| sharefree | I am your neighbor | 11:31 |
| sharefree | but we both always fight | 11:31 |
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| william-gen | ,new,BUT should improve the beauty of UI | 11:31 |
| william-gen | japan? | 11:32 |
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| william-gen | or India? | 11:33 |
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| sharefree | william-gen, I am Freenonymous | 11:34 |
| sharefree | i cannot disclose my location | 11:34 |
| sharefree | Cuz If I do I might have to kill you lol | 11:34 |
| squidd | YOU ARE A SPY FROM APPLE! | 11:34 |
| william-gen | :) | 11:34 |
| Acce | :( our channel has been defiled | 11:35 |
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| sharefree | squidd, I am a strong critic of Apple | 11:47 |
| sharefree | I use Free Software only | 11:47 |
| squidd | sharefree: I was just joking :P | 11:47 |
| sharefree | but not necessarily FSF endorsed distro as we cannot be 100 percent free | 11:47 |
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| Yaniel | erh | 11:54 |
| Yaniel | I just realized I'll have to set up some theme changing script for my pc :/ | 11:54 |
| Yaniel | ambience just works too well | 11:55 |
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| squidd | ambience for pc | 11:55 |
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| sharefree | hi | 11:58 |
| Yaniel | yes | 12:01 |
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| artemma | Support getting Mitäkuuluu and other cool apps to harbour - https://together.jolla.com/question/40162/bend-rules-and-help-great-app-developers-aka-get-whatsapp-client-to-app-store-already/ | 12:02 |
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| * artemma thinks following harbour rules precisely is quite.. limited thinking when there are literally just few very important apps that would benefit platform a lot | 12:03 | |
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| Yaniel | artemma: you want a Friends app with benefits? :P | 12:04 |
| artemma | totally :) | 12:04 |
| squidd | bending rules isnt good :O | 12:04 |
| artemma | seriousely, not having mitakuuluu in store is a shame, because so little is needed to get it there | 12:04 |
| artemma | squidd: that's my point: I can't see why bending rules is bad in this case | 12:05 |
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| artemma | seriously, there aren't these thousands of submissions you have to control strictly | 12:05 |
| squidd | if you start beding rules why have rules? | 12:05 |
| squidd | bending* | 12:05 |
| squidd | or how do you decide when to bend the rules? | 12:05 |
| artemma | why on Earth do I need to keep mitakuuluu running at all times just because it is not allowed to have daemon running? | 12:05 |
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| aard_ | artemma: no bending of rules, but we're working on allowing more apis in harbour. | 12:06 |
| tbr-fi | if you don't want rules: install openrepos | 12:06 |
| artemma | IMO it all depends on how much you think Jolla ecosystem suffers from not having good apps | 12:06 |
| artemma | if it's not a big deal, sure let's keep everything super safe | 12:07 |
| squidd | artemma: isnt the rules there for making sure there will be good apps? | 12:07 |
| artemma | if it's a big deal, go arrange a developer program to specifically help hand-picked apps | 12:07 |
| tbr-fi | Jolla seems to have chosen a long term strategy here, avoiding to break apps through updates | 12:07 |
| artemma | that's my point: I am offering a compromise to get good apps to store already now while rules and tools get developerd | 12:08 |
| tbr-fi | they also stated time and again, that they don't have the manpower to allow unstable apis now and then deal with the fallout on their side | 12:08 |
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| artemma | I am not talking about letting all the shit to store. One hand picked app at a time. And only temporarily while tools and rules are still being developed | 12:09 |
| tbr-fi | artemma: no, your point is "screw the rules" and that's something very different. to put it a bit more bluntly. | 12:09 |
| Turski | is python currently allowed in harbour? | 12:09 |
| aard_ | artemma: we're working on the ability to publish packages only for specific versions of sailfish. once that's in place we can be a lot more flexible about allowing new stuff. | 12:09 |
| aard_ | Turski: not yet, but it'll come soon | 12:09 |
| Turski | damn | 12:09 |
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| artemma | well, if Contacts cannot be accessed, yet, I am requesting to screw this particular rule for a particularly approved app | 12:09 |
| artemma | yes* | 12:10 |
| aard_ | that won't happen, too risky | 12:10 |
| squidd | artemma: Why this app, why not that app? | 12:10 |
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| artemma | approving this for a whatsapp client with code examined by Jolla ppl, why not? 100% security is unreachanble anyway | 12:10 |
| artemma | squidd: because this particular app is one of the very few who really matter and absolutely cannot function with the current rules | 12:11 |
| squidd | artemma: my app cant function with the current rules, I want my app there too! | 12:11 |
| artemma | I am talking abt whatsapp as abt a good example only. Sure, selection is to be done by jolla | 12:11 |
| artemma | app contests and procedures of applying for expert help and mothership company support are well tried by all big OS vendors by now :) | 12:12 |
| artemma | I know, finns need a sense of equality and jolla is very limited on resources, so get application process and select one app at a time to review and help | 12:13 |
| tbr-fi | also screwing with the rules now would require a lot of effort, effort that could be spent opening up more APIs earlier otherwise. | 12:16 |
| Yaniel | +1 | 12:17 |
| tbr-fi | short sighted decisions are great if you don't intend to be the one paying the debt | 12:18 |
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| coderus | emm-m-m | 13:49 |
| coderus | i just increased build version number and compiled new version | 13:49 |
| coderus | it builded successfuly, but qtcreator deployed old version | 13:49 |
| coderus | wtf? | 13:49 |
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| coderus | artemma: Harbour rules are too strict | 13:50 |
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| coderus | and there will be no exceptions for any applications | 13:51 |
| coderus | god bless there is openrepos and obs | 13:51 |
| coderus | and internet with sites | 13:51 |
| coderus | and google | 13:51 |
| coderus | and thanks god for these semiconductors | 13:51 |
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| artemma | coderus: abt building old version: just rebuild a couple of times. I think there's issue with changes propagating along yaml->spec->pro->makefile->cpp | 14:04 |
| artemma | some of that uses old version sometimes | 14:04 |
| artemma | yeah, I think at least a particular build of mitakuulu should be allowed to access contacts, because it's very important app and it can be examined/trusted enough. My assumptions may be wrong though | 14:06 |
| artemma | I just think that in the end contacts security will anyway be reduced to a question: do you let Mitakuuluu access contacts. Why not to ask trustful developer ask it manually first while system APIs are not ready yet | 14:07 |
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| * artemma promoted some interactive Easter-related images to front page of http://www.thinglink.com - adding a bit of Easter mood to the internet | 14:08 | |
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| jtjj222 | Can the watermark on the early access images be removed? | 14:13 |
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| Raim | that would defeat its purpose, right? | 14:15 |
| jtjj222 | yes, but it is very obnoxious | 14:18 |
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| jtjj222 | I have no plans on publishing video of it without the watermark. | 14:19 |
| jtjj222 | nmbvcxzasdfghjkl;;' | 14:20 |
| jtjj222 | sorry | 14:20 |
| coderus | artemma: no, new version builds correctly and files are in place inside rpm. just build folder contains two releases and qtc decided to deploy old one to device. | 14:21 |
| artemma | funny | 14:21 |
| coderus | artemma: after rremoving old release packages it deployed finally latest version :) | 14:22 |
| kaltsi | coderus: how do you build your stuff.. if you use mb2, always does rm -f *.rpm before making the new rpms.. strange that old version would stick around | 14:24 |
| coderus | kaltsi: i'm using qtc | 14:29 |
| coderus | just pressing big green play button :) | 14:29 |
| kaltsi | and it uses mb2, so very strange.. but perhaps your project is so complex that all bets are off | 14:30 |
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| coderus | kaltsi: you can try it yoursef with my project :) | 14:30 |
| kaltsi | I can give it a go.. I probably should know where the sources are, but can you give me a link :) | 14:31 |
| coderus | kaltsi: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2 | 14:33 |
| kaltsi | thanks.. so I should first build it and then increment version number and build again? | 14:34 |
| coderus | well, yes | 14:35 |
| coderus | probably you can first build https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/commit/b747a32ecb7e908b50199d8d9427025bb6729bf2 and then switch to https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/commit/b6798b8e29e74c73d12c2ff03e133fb532be3d69 | 14:35 |
| kaltsi | ok.. building | 14:38 |
| kaltsi | did you use shadow building? | 14:38 |
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| coderus | yes | 14:38 |
| coderus | in default /home/coderus/SailfishProjects/build-harbour-mitakuuluu2-MerSDK_SailfishOS_armv7hl-Release | 14:39 |
| kaltsi | ok | 14:39 |
| kaltsi | damn those build dirs have long names | 14:40 |
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| sharefree | hi | 14:42 |
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| kaltsi | coderus: ok bug in mb2.. it does the rm *.rpm in the wrong dir, would work in non-shadowbuild :) I've made a bug for myself and will fix it soon | 14:47 |
| coderus | thnaks :) | 14:49 |
| coderus | can you also apply hidden option for disabling VM checkings please? :) | 14:50 |
| coderus | i'm using local chroot | 14:50 |
| kaltsi | no.. it's embedded into qt creator | 14:50 |
| kaltsi | will have to think a better way to do it at some point | 14:50 |
| coderus | =( | 14:50 |
| coderus | vm is too sloooow | 14:51 |
| coderus | it always need to press esc button :) | 14:51 |
| kaltsi | what happens with esc | 14:51 |
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| kaltsi | if you have memory and want to give VM another chance, you could try to increase its memory size and cpu count | 14:52 |
| kaltsi | it had a bug about increasing memory over 2 gigs but it's fixed now | 14:52 |
| kaltsi | but it's still going to be slower than chroot | 14:53 |
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| coderus | its just asking "vm not started, do it now?" and esc closing its popup :) | 14:53 |
| kaltsi | oh heh | 14:54 |
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| coderus | 20:50 < coderus> can you also apply hidden option for disabling VM checkings please? :) | 14:55 |
| coderus | asked about disabling its checkings by any way | 14:55 |
| kaltsi | the check is ndonw in qt creator | 14:55 |
| kaltsi | done | 14:55 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | so giving more than 2gb ram to vm would speed building up? or is it nor significant? | 14:57 |
| kaltsi | Morpog_PC__: you can only try.. it can always be changed back | 14:58 |
| kaltsi | stop the VM and configure the mem/cpu again with virtualbox manager gui | 14:58 |
| coderus | kaltsi: sure. does it opensourced with sailfish addons? i can rebuild it for myself then. | 14:59 |
| kaltsi | sources are available in github.com/sailfish-sdk/sailfish-qtcreator | 15:00 |
| kaltsi | there's also sdk-build-tools repo with some build scripts that we use to build that stuff | 15:00 |
| Morpog_PC__ | kaltsi, well I had it already on 4 cpu cores and 2gb ram | 15:01 |
| coderus | kaltsi: thanks | 15:01 |
| kaltsi | Morpog_PC__: ah ok.. just mentioned that 2 gigs was the old limit.. usually more memory = better, but there are other bottlenecks too like the speed of the VM shared mounts | 15:02 |
| Morpog_PC__ | hmm, so not much to spped up then, as it's all running on SSD's already | 15:03 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | coderus, just did the sql query | 15:19 |
| Morpog_PC__ | it shows the contact i had a conversation with as result | 15:19 |
| stephg | new interesting n4 failure | 15:22 |
| stephg | well I dunno if it's new | 15:22 |
| stephg | on the lock screen, I can't swipe to get the pulley or go to the home & app screens | 15:23 |
| stephg | but swype down to lock works, and notifications work | 15:23 |
| stephg | from notifications I can swipe left to get to the home screen but still can't get down to the app screen | 15:23 |
| Morpog_PC__ | how can you use the n4 at all then? | 15:23 |
| Morpog_PC__ | ah ok | 15:24 |
| stephg | nor can I launch apps | 15:24 |
| Morpog_PC__ | maybe redoe it? | 15:24 |
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| stephg | I had an FB notification and *that* could launch the browser | 15:24 |
| stephg | aha | 15:24 |
| stephg | and now that I've done that, icons/pulleys are working again | 15:25 |
| stephg | and it works as normal | 15:25 |
| stephg | weird | 15:25 |
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| stephg | nothing in the journal that's pertinent :/ | 15:28 |
| Morpog_PC__ | strannge, transifex show 10 not tranlated strings but there aren't any left :( | 15:30 |
| coderus | Morpog_PC__: yup, i have no idea what is translations | 15:31 |
| coderus | possible bug in transifex | 15:31 |
| Morpog_PC__ | somehow russia is at 100% | 15:32 |
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| squidd | coderus: why is it that lots of times mitakuuluu drops the connection(?) without showing it does that. I'm assuming it drops the connection as I cant get any messages without first quitting the app and then starting it agian | 15:37 |
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| coderus | Morpog_PC__: i translated it localy, not web | 15:46 |
| coderus | squidd: no idea | 15:46 |
| coderus | i'll fix logging option for next version and let you to create logfile and send it to me | 15:47 |
| squidd | ok | 15:47 |
| coderus | squidd: you can try to enable connection notifications | 15:50 |
| coderus | but i really didnt tested if it working or not | 15:50 |
| squidd | coderus: ok, I put those on | 15:52 |
| coderus | ok i'll delay openrepos release for investigation this connection behaviour | 15:52 |
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| * tbr just sent the invitation for the next community meeting to the dev ml | 16:02 | |
| tbr | https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-April/004007.html | 16:03 |
| squidd | " | 16:03 |
| squidd | Those without an IRC client can access it here:" | 16:03 |
| squidd | is there such people out there?! | 16:04 |
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| tbr | yes, those exist | 16:04 |
| tbr | see the followup to my meeting minutes | 16:04 |
| tbr | https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-April/003990.html | 16:05 |
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| sharefree | hi | 16:35 |
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| kimmoli | äh. SDK target update - Task failed ... | 17:32 |
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| merlin1991 | been there, done that | 17:41 |
| merlin1991 | reinstalled from scratch ... | 17:41 |
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| walokra | same here | 17:44 |
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| kimmoli | doing that atm | 17:45 |
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| sharefree | hi | 17:56 |
| * artemma thinks that SDK update notifications should just tell to download new sdk and reinstall. Soft updating works rarely anyway (not just for Sailfish) :) | 17:59 | |
| walokra | artemma: the sdk package doesn't get updated as often as the update packages | 18:01 |
| walokra | *sdk install package | 18:01 |
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| artemma | Hmm, QStandardPaths::standardLocations(QStandardPaths::ConfigLocation) reports just "/home/nemo/.config" | 18:25 |
| artemma | shouldn't it include app name if called after SailfishApp is instantiated? | 18:26 |
| artemma | as in QScopedPointer<QGuiApplication> app(SailfishApp::application(argc, argv)); | 18:26 |
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| artemma | for example QStandardPaths::standardLocations(QStandardPaths::DataLocation) uses app name just fine | 18:28 |
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| kimmoli | ah XmlListElement was kinda tricky... luckily this provided helpful links http://forum.jollausers.com/sailfish-developers/howto-my-first-app-for-sailfish-os/ | 18:45 |
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| stephg | cool mail coderus :) | 20:12 |
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| walokra | yeah, code under WTFPL will make it much easier for other devs to use the code as they don't need to think how licenses like MIT or GPL are compatible with their project's license | 20:37 |
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| coderus | well, i hope someone from Jolla can check my sources and help me find optimal way of fixing it for publishing to Harbour | 23:29 |
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| ponky_ | coderus: can we record & send videos directly from mitäkuuluu yet? | 23:41 |
| coderus | no, video recording not supported | 23:42 |
| ponky_ | kk | 23:42 |
| ponky_ | nps | 23:42 |
| coderus | add your wish to github, i'll check it later | 23:43 |
| ponky_ | will do, if i still remember tomorrow :P | 23:43 |
| coderus | :) | 23:43 |
| coderus | i never thought somebody is sending videos over whatsapp :) | 23:44 |
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