Tuesday, 2014-05-06

plays2oh no i thought you said you were building for hammerhead hahaa00:00
fzkhehe no00:00
plays2well when you said add the --arch tag did you mean in the mic-create-bootstrap command or...00:01
vgradefzk: which repos did you build from00:01
fzkplays2: yeah, mic2-line00:01
plays2fzk: it says mic-create-bootstrap: error: no such option: --arch00:02
fzkvgrade: same as yours but set latest, but lets see if it works00:02
fzki only got the loading screen so far00:02
fzkmight be that thing with libgles200:03
vgradeah ok, ;et me know as I've not built with latest yet. 1.0.4.x still had orientation issues00:03
vgradepost startup-wizzard00:04
fzkidk know how it looks and for how long it will do this, i wouldnt expect it to work :)00:04
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fzklooks like i gotta debug it :-)00:06
vgradefzk: what did you see00:07
vgradelanguage selection screens the please wait then rotating icon?00:08
fzkyes, it started the rotating screen after those screens yes00:08
vgradethen what?00:08
fzkbut rotating for a while->black screen->vibrated+started rotating again00:08
fzkthen doing that over and over again00:09
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fzkbut i had some oddities while building, it was complaining about not finding libglesv200:09
vgradeok, if you start with that boots ok00:09
vgradethe you can zypper up00:11
fzkits possible to zypper up?00:11
fzkto latest?00:11
vgradethat will update you to latest00:11
vgradepre built at above link00:12
fzkyeah i know00:12
fzkthats the kickstarter i went from00:12
fzkbut i want to ;)00:12
vgradefeel free to tinker with from kickstart, I'd like to know why lipstick is restarting00:14
fzki just realized that i cannot type my password to my linuxws anymore00:14
vgradewhich is what's happening with the vibrate and start of the rotating icon00:14
fzkprobably something fails to load00:15
vgradeor lipsitck crashes00:15
vgradeand systemd restarts it00:15
fzkits called lipstick?00:21
fzklets check the logs00:23
fzkdoes it store any logs?00:25
vgradenot as default00:28
fzkhow would we go for that?00:29
vgradesee systemd docs, I'm off for the night00:29
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Stskeeps*** REMINDER: meeting (today) on SailfishOS, open source, collaboration: 6-May @ 10:00 UTC, https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-April/004098.html06:56
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Nicd-Stskeeps: is it free to join and idle, just to see what's discussed? or is there a "formal" process? :)07:25
Stskeepsyes, it's a open meeting07:25
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JuubaJolla lost my Google Calendar stuff07:36
Juubawhat do i do07:36
Juubaeverything just vanished07:37
tbrreinstall the account?07:37
SK_workJuuba: tried refresh from the social network pane ?07:37
SK_workthis _might_ trigger the sync feature07:37
Juubawhat, where?07:37
Juubawhere is the social, Settings - Accounts ?07:37
SK_workJuuba: nope, in the events view, the pull down menu07:38
Juubaoh there, "swipe from below" ?07:39
chriadamJuuba: do you have developer-mode activated?07:39
chriadamdevel-su sqlite3 /home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Calendar/mkcal/db "select * from Components;"07:39
chriadamsee if the Google things are still there, but just not showing up in the UI for some reason07:40
chriadamthe next thing to do is:07:40
Juubaerr, oookay07:40
chriadamdevel-su rm -rf /home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Sync/gcal.ini07:40
chriadamdbus-send --session --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.meego.msyncd /synchronizer com.meego.msyncd.startSync string:'google.Calendars'07:40
chriadamthat should ensure a "clean sync" of calendar data from Google.07:40
SK_workhello chriadam :)07:40
Nicd-that's nice to type on the virtual keyboard :D07:40
chriadamSK_work: hey mate, long time no see07:40
chriadamhow's things?07:41
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chriadamNicd-: haha.07:41
SK_workwell, work, so basically no much IRC07:41
Juubatrying to connect via SSH :D07:41
chriadamyeah I recommend using ssh console for this ;-D07:41
Juubai wont type that sh*t with vt :D07:41
SK_workssh via usb is the best to have here :)07:41
chriadamSK_work: makes sense.  How's work treating you?  What are you doing?07:41
Juubaalways a problem to connect via USB07:41
Juubaagain it is not connecting07:41
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SK_workchriadam: work takes time :D I'm usually doing 10h per day (including lunch time and breaks)07:42
SK_workso basically, no time to hack :(07:42
chriadamyep, I know the feeling :-)07:42
SK_workI'm doing SW for trading support (in banks)07:42
SK_work(I'm not an evil trader though :))07:42
chriadamoh right, nice07:42
Juubanot connecting, lets see if I can get Wifi to work07:43
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Juubai'm, jolla is ...3507:45
Juubanot connetcing07:45
Juubalet's try the obvious: restart phone07:46
Juubadon't know if the corporate wifi allows me to ssh to the phone07:48
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SK_workJuuba: not sure07:49
Juubadeveloper mode active, USB connected07:51
JuubaSSH is not connecting07:51
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SK_workJuuba: can you ping your device ?07:54
Nicd-is your local interface configured correctly?07:54
Nicd-on your computer07:54
SK_workJuuba: ssh -vvv ?07:54
Juubait has worked a few times before07:55
Juubabut at work, every time I have "much problems, such wow"07:55
Juubaat home, no problems connetcing to SSH over network07:56
Nicd-different computer?07:56
Nicd-have you configured it on your work computer?07:56
Juubayes, it has worked at work :D07:56
Juubajust not 100% ever07:56
Nicd-can you screenshot your config?07:57
Juubai'm no linux propellerhead07:57
Juubawhat do you need07:57
JuubaNDIS is installed, it seems to be ok07:57
Nicd-interface, ip, network, subnet mask, router ip07:57
Juubaof the NDIS on the PC?07:57
Juubai'm not sure what to screenshot07:58
Nicd-the USB network interface on your PC07:58
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Nicd-ifconfig (or ip addr depending on your distro) might do07:58
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Nicd-ah, it's ipconfig then07:59
chriadamI have to head home.  gnight, everyone.07:59
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Juubaat the moment the jolla Usb is borken,i tried "auto config (dhcp)" but it is not receiving an address from the phone07:59
Nicd-don't try DHCP08:00
Nicd-the phone doesn08:00
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Nicd-doesn't run a DHCP server*08:00
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Nicd-you need to set static IPs08:00
Juubadoing it now08:01
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Juubawhoa, now it works08:01
Juubaexactly same config as 5 min ago08:02
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Juubasqlite3 /home/nemo/.local/share/system/privileged/Calendar/mkcal/db "select * from Components;" |  grep -i google08:04
Juuba0 hits08:04
Juubai can see something if I search by "event name"08:04
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Juubasome stuff that I have in google-cal08:04
Juubarunning the sync now, lessee08:06
Juubathere they are08:07
Juubanext question: What the heck happened?08:07
JuubaMy jolla asked for a relogin to google, could that mess this up ?08:07
Juubawell, thanks for this, has bugged me for a few days..08:09
Juubaquite a many hits in together.jolla.com08:09
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Juubahow do do a similar refres for FB events ?08:10
SK_workJuuba: in the dbus call, replace google by facebook (iirc)08:11
SK_workdbus-send --session --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.meego.msyncd /synchronizer com.meego.msyncd.startSync string:'facebook.Calendars'08:12
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Juubado i need to delete something before that?08:12
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william_genhi,howto ssh to N4 with sailfish os?08:17
Stskeepsit's listed in the mail isn't it?08:17
william_gen1. Enable remote connection in Settings->System->Developer mode08:17
william_gen2. Set your USB interface on host machine to IP
william_genBUT where to set USB interface on host machine  IP ?08:17
Juubadepends on your machine? in windows: Network and sharing center - find your "device" and open that, then set IP4 properties08:19
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SK_workJuuba: don't thuink so08:19
william_genBUT it says 'USB interface on host machine'08:20
Juubahost machine is the .. hos :D08:20
Juubayour PC, whatever you "SSH from"08:21
william_geni know its in host08:22
william_genbut why 'USB interface'?08:22
Juubanot in host08:22
Juubabut the host, as in computer08:22
Juubaif you are using USB connection to connect to the phon, then you need to configure the USB interface08:23
william_genhow to configure the USB interface?08:24
ballockwilliam_gen: what kernel are you running?08:27
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william_genballock: 3.4.0,sailfish os EA2 foe N408:28
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ballockand on the pc?08:28
william_genon Nexus 408:29
william_genmy PC run windows 708:29
ballockoh, sorry, can't help you then08:30
Juubaon Win7 you configure the USB like so:08:30
william_geni will see it,thanks first08:30
Juubathat "jolla" is a name I gave to the connection08:30
Juubacan't remember what it was by default08:30
locusfnice picture08:31
Juubaquick n' dirty08:31
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william_gennot 'nemo'08:31
Juubamight be "NDIS something..."08:32
Juubathe adapter is called:08:33
Juuba"Remote NDIS based Internet Sharing Device"08:33
Juubathe connection name could be something like "Local Area connection #47"08:33
william_genI have installed some drivers,and  "NDIS something..." appears.but now,after a auto searching of driver,it gone08:33
Juubathe number is just a running number08:33
Juubaphone is connectde?08:33
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Juubatry removeing it and reconn08:34
Juubaselect Developer08:34
william_genit gone,instead, the display name is "Nexus 4",not "NDIS something..."08:35
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Juubalike i said, i dont' remember what it was, i did the renaming weeks ago08:35
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Juubathis is heap of .. configuring :D08:37
Juubaand for me08:37
Juubait work 66% of the time08:37
Juubathen it just breaks down08:37
Juubaand I need to reconfigure it to the same settings, and then it works again08:37
Juubamight be windows, might be the office/corporate LAN/WIFI... might be me... might be Sailfish08:37
Juubatoo many moving parts :D08:37
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william_genJuuba: how do you access the internal SDcard of N4 when using sailfish os on it?08:38
Juubanot suer of nexus408:39
Juubabut in Jolla it is named... sec08:39
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Juubai think it was08:41
Juubaunder that there is a "serial number of the drive"08:41
Juubain other news: this is something i'd like to do later :D08:42
Juubathis:  https://together.jolla.com/question/40802/how-to-format-your-usd-card-to-btrfs-and-share-space-with-android/08:42
Juubajus tnot now08:42
Juubatime to work ->08:42
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squiddmeh why is sailfish browser stupid09:14
squiddwhy does it reload the page when I change tab09:14
Stskeepswell, it doesn't have real tabs09:15
stephgsquidd: that's how it works at the moment09:15
Nicd-try webcat if you don't want that09:15
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flux..or firefox in android09:16
squiddtab is a lie :(09:16
fluxeverything works there except private browsing tabs and videos09:16
fluxwell, maybe html5 video works, haven't actively tried that09:16
fluxoh, and sync. sync would be nice..09:16
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fluxand it seems sync works nowadays as well09:18
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Juubai'm unable to configure firefox addons to jlla browser nowadays09:19
Juubait worked earlier09:19
Juubaad-block etc..09:19
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Juubathe page is scaled so that everything is out of frame09:20
Juubacannot access the settings09:20
Juubaabout:addons or what the address was09:20
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fluxworks for me(TM)09:21
Juubai was able to do it earlier, like a few months ago09:22
Juubabut not now09:22
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Juubait's like this: http://i.imgur.com/7wKL7lL.jpg09:26
Juubaand landscape: http://i.imgur.com/XVk52i3.jpg09:26
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lsmeHi people. Just a quick question. Can I do something like "apt-get install openssh" or similar in SailfishOS?09:41
Nicd-yes, but the default package manager is pkcon09:42
Nicd-and the packages are rpm instead of deb09:42
lsmeOr anything along those lines that doesn't include some "app store", or account, etc09:42
lsmeI see09:42
Nicd-you can add any repository you want09:42
Nicd-of course you'd need to get packages that are compatible, you can't just install any rpm09:43
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lsmeOf course, it needs to be ARM among other things09:43
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lsmeIs there a way to browse the list of packages/apps for Jolla?09:43
lsmeWithout having a Jolla that is09:44
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Nicd-sadly there is no web UI for the app store09:45
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fluxprobably a smart move to not show the list to non-believers :P09:47
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lsmeAh... well is there a nice client to control transmission-daemon?09:50
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SK_workcybette: workaholic: on sick leave, but in the meeting :D10:05
cybetteSK_work: I can't help it! my mind will be on the meeting anyways :P10:06
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fzkawesome, now debugging time :-)10:08
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UmeaboyI wonder if Sailfish OS would run smoothly on a Acer T272HULbmidpcz10:17
UmeaboyI'd like to try if I had that monitor.10:17
UmeaboyIt's quite expensive thou.10:17
UmeaboyAlmost 7000 SEK.10:17
Nicd-looks like someone fell asleep on the keyboard while naming the device10:18
Nicd-Acer T272GOKEaogoneaniynaiptpppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppp10:18
SK_workwhat a name :O10:23
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dr_gogeta86any jolla hardware specialist here ?11:29
leszekdr_gogeta86: we'll see when you asked your question11:30
dr_gogeta86I wanna know is it possible11:30
dr_gogeta86where to get a replacement for vibra motor11:31
dr_gogeta86just say lnl11:31
dr_gogeta86but no model inside11:31
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cos-i think there is some support email address for jolla, perhaps you could ask them11:35
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lbtdr_gogeta86: that's the best approach, yes11:35
dr_gogeta86I don't wanna send my phone in finland11:36
lbtdr_gogeta86: yeah - talk to them first11:37
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dr_gogeta86lbt, sent11:42
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gabriel9|workwth is this: Cannot mix incompatible Qt library (version 0x40806) with this library (version 0x40805)11:58
gabriel9|workwhen trying to run sailfish ide11:58
gabriel9|workmy host is arch with kde11:59
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SK_workgabriel9|work: wild guess: you have kde plugins loaded12:01
SK_workcan you try with a DE without Qt ?12:02
SK_work(eg gnome)12:02
gabriel9|workyes there is setted QT_PLUGIN_PATH12:02
gabriel9|worki can't, i do not have gnome :/12:02
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SK_workunset QT_PLUGIN_PATH ?12:03
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gabriel9|worki could try12:03
gabriel9|workis there to unset just for sailfish ide?12:03
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SmarteX_Stskeeps: Have you received my mail?12:05
gabriel9|workunset works12:06
SK_workgabriel9|work: create your own shell script that launch sailfish ide12:06
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gabriel9|worki see there is qtcreator.sh12:07
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StskeepsSmarteX_: yes will review later12:08
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SK_workgabriel9|work: yep, invoke this12:08
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ArthurArtoriaT ^ T12:39
ArthurArtoriaAnyone could help me about the issue of development ?12:39
ArthurArtoriaSailfishOS uses many new built-in components12:40
ArthurArtoriabut I cannot find the alternative of popup menu in N9 ?12:41
cos-you need to ask the question first12:41
ArthurArtoriathe component in the photo12:41
SK_workArthurArtoria: use dropdown menu12:41
SK_workor use attached page12:41
ArthurArtoriaI tried the contextMenu of Sailfish, but it seems that it only works with a listiView12:42
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SK_workArthurArtoria: nope12:42
SK_workuse this item that's all12:42
ArthurArtoria<SK_work> you mean the pullDown Menu and pushUp Menu ?12:43
SK_workArthurArtoria: nope12:44
ArthurArtoriaThe link you posted12:44
SK_workjust the classic drop context menu12:44
ArthurArtoriaThat is the link you posted ? . ?12:44
SK_workArthurArtoria: https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-contextmenu.html12:44
SK_workArthurArtoria: that's not12:44
ArthurArtoriahttps://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-contextmenu.html    This component, right ?12:45
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ArthurArtoriaI still have a few questions :)12:46
SK_workArthurArtoria: np12:47
ArthurArtoriathis contextMenu only support with listview, right ?12:47
ArthurArtoriaI attached this contextMenu by12:47
SK_workyou can use a list item alone12:48
ArthurArtoriacontextMenu.show(row)                                 //which row is the ID referring to Row12:48
ArthurArtoriabut it doesn't work12:48
ArthurArtoriaMoreover, the key problem is that..12:49
ArthurArtoriathis menu is really not similar to N9 's popup menu12:49
SK_workArthurArtoria: https://github.com/SfietKonstantin/friends-sailfish/blob/master/src/qml/EventPage.qml#L16712:50
SK_workArthurArtoria: there is no popup menu12:50
ArthurArtoriaThis one in sailfish it occupies sapce and area12:50
SK_workso you have to sue a different menu12:50
SK_workhow many items do you have ?12:50
ArthurArtoriaI want a indepent menu for selecting something12:50
SK_workis this needed to be independant ?12:51
ArthurArtoriathis menu is for selecting the candidate list in a input method12:51
SK_workwhy ?12:51
SK_workArthurArtoria: ah12:51
SK_workthen it's not good either to have a context menu12:51
ArthurArtoriaThis is the context Menu12:52
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ArthurArtoriaI want use context Menu with a GridView12:52
SK_workyou should probably need to do your component yourself12:52
SK_worktake inspiration on how VKB handle this12:52
SK_workdon't do this as the N9 do it, it's horrible12:52
ArthurArtoriaThis is the thing I want to make12:54
ArthurArtoriaWhy I failed is that12:54
ArthurArtoriathe keyboard Layout of Jolla is always on top12:55
SK_workArthurArtoria: what are you trying to do exactly ?12:55
SK_workdescribe the flow12:55
ArthurArtoriaI am making a keyboard12:55
ArthurArtoriafor Chinese Input12:56
ArthurArtoriaAll works12:56
ArthurArtorialike this12:56
SK_workso you might need to use the autocomplete framework from keyboard instead of pushing your popup12:56
SK_workbecause there is no popup in sailfish12:56
ArthurArtoriaHere is my app12:56
ArthurArtoriayou can see the image, right ?12:57
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SK_workhowever, there is no way to push a popup :(12:57
SK_workmaybe you should try to push a page12:57
ArthurArtoriathe top row of the keyboard is used to show candidate in a scrollable listview12:57
ArthurArtoriabut if there are so many candidate words, it will suck and not efficiency12:58
SK_workso the best (IMO) is to push a page then12:58
SK_worknot sure if it works though12:58
ArthurArtoriaso I need a gridview-like candidate pool12:58
SK_workor maybe you should hack the kbd to display a grid over the keyboard ?12:58
ArthurArtoriaYup ! that I have tried12:59
ArthurArtoriaI tried to make a gridview covering the keyboard area just a while12:59
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ArthurArtoriaBut the keyboard is always on top even though I have set the z-axis of the gridview to 512, 768 a very large number13:00
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ArthurArtoriaI show you the strange image13:01
SK_workwe need to invoke pvuorela13:01
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SK_workArthurArtoria have some questions to you pvuorela13:02
SK_work(about vkbd)13:02
SK_workhe wants do display a grid of characters to choose from13:02
SK_workmuch like http://dadablog.net/resize.php?src=http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/309530_10150332845585678_628300677_8400735_348307735_n.jpg&width=30013:02
SK_workand we want to know what component would you advice to use13:02
ArthurArtoriathe strange image is above13:04
ArthurArtoriaThey are overlap13:04
SK_workArthurArtoria: don't use google accounts, I don't have a google account13:05
SK_workpvuorela: what do you think ?13:05
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ArthurArtoriaI change the permission13:06
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ArthurArtoriatry once more with this link13:06
SK_workArthurArtoria: tried with a background ? (just out of curiosity)13:07
ArthurArtoriaEven thoguh I set the background black13:07
ArthurArtoriaThe second image13:07
ArthurArtoriaI already set13:07
ArthurArtoriaBut it is still covered by the keyboard...13:08
SK_worksorry, not my domain anymore :/13:08
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ArthurArtoriaNVM :P13:08
DrIDKHello, I want to see all icon  image://theme/icon-l-play ! Any web page ?13:09
pvuorelaSK_work: ArthurArtoria, not much to advice at this point. have something coming on that direction, though.13:09
ArthurArtoriaYup !13:09
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pvuorelabut for a custom layout, it probably needs some custom code for the grid. and need to update active area to be fullscreen.13:12
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ArthurArtoriaThis must be very difficult  LOL13:20
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SK_workArthurArtoria: keyboard thing is a different beast compared to classic sailfish apsp13:28
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DrIDKIs it possible to make a simple color defined button ?13:35
fzkvgrade: i got it working now13:36
fzkor atleast found something odd13:37
SK_workDrIDK: what do you mean ?13:37
fzki managed to get the ui when i fiddled with a usbcable13:37
DrIDKSK_work: like the icon switches13:37
DrIDKbut as a button, not a switches13:37
SK_workstill not understanding13:37
SK_workah, sorry, a switch, but as a button13:38
SK_workwith 2 states ?13:38
SK_workDrIDK: you can set text to a switch (IIRC)13:38
DrIDKSK_work: I want Button with the design of SwitchButton13:38
SK_workDrIDK: why would you like that ?13:38
fzkit must be that wayland crashes13:38
SK_workDrIDK: https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-iconbutton.html ?13:39
Shaan7DrIDK: o/13:39
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DrIDKI didn't find documentation about GlassItem which is used in the sailfish Silica component gallery14:00
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SK_workDrIDK: it's an internal one, you need to guess the API ...14:11
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SK_workread code from Switch14:11
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SK_workhi meek_geek14:29
meek_geekSK_work, can you tell me how i use sources of packages make it run on sailfish OS which is a full linux disto14:30
SK_workmeek_geek: what packages are you thinking about ?14:30
SK_work(don't tell me libreoffice)14:30
SK_work(not now)14:30
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meek_geekSK_work, no like can I use RPM packages ?14:31
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SK_workmeek_geek: you can, but it's VERY unlikely that packages compiled elsewhere will suddenly work on the Jolla14:31
SK_workbecause of 1. arch, 2. wayland, 3. missing libs 4. you name it14:31
ballockmeek_geek: you can use the source rpms, though14:32
SK_workballock: if they even compile14:32
SK_worka GTK app won't work14:32
SK_workeven a Qt 4 app won't work (that rules out stuff like VLC or KDE)14:33
meek_geekso basically what all can i achieve in Sailfish OS which is a full gnu/linux ?14:33
SK_workmeek_geek: compile from source14:33
sharpneliPretty much everything except X11 based programs.14:33
SK_workyou can do what you want, if you compile14:33
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SK_workassuming sharpneli just said: 1. no X11, and 2. can compile on ARM14:33
ballockwell, technically, you could compile X, but... there's no X server for the device!14:34
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SmarteXHi guys14:34
meek_geekSK_work, but sir what is left out for a common man to compile ?14:34
SK_workhi SmarteX14:34
meek_geekX11, GTK, QT would not work14:35
meek_geekthen what would /14:35
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sharpneliQT works14:35
cos-wouldn't it be possible to run a X server on top of wayland?14:35
sharpnelithe whole UI is based on QT14:35
meek_geekballock, by using source rpms can I compile stuff like on any linux ?14:35
SK_workmeek_geek: many console apps, like wget, got compiled14:35
ballockmeek_geek: all console-based stuff should14:35
SK_worksharpneli: Qt5 works, not Qt414:35
ballockwhat else would you need (pun)14:35
SK_workQT = quicktime, Qt = Qt14:35
sharpneliPretty much all software that doesn't use X86 asm should work. It's a nice 32bit little endian system after all.14:35
meek_geekQT = Quicktime ? says who ?14:35
SmarteXAh ok14:35
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SmarteXsharpneli said that14:36
sharpneliWell based on context I assumed that meek_geek meant Qt ;)14:36
meek_geekSK_work, ballock does tor work ?14:36
ballockmeek_geek: pretty much14:36
SK_workmeek_geek: iirc there are people porting it yes14:36
SmarteXAh ok14:36
ballocksorry, that was for the previous question :014:36
SK_workbasically meek_geek everything from GNU linux world could work, if you have people porting it (and writing alternative UI if needed)14:37
sharpneliThe biggest issue is using wayland and/or Wt5. Nothing else. Heck someone might go insane and do X11 implementation for the phone :D14:37
sharpneliBut that would be so wrong!14:37
SmarteXmeek_geek: Tor can be downloaded via OpenRepos14:37
SK_workSmarteX: think xwayland ?14:37
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SK_worksharpneli: think Xwayland ?14:37
meek_geekI think in the meanwhile al I can run is console based apps and it is not a full rpm based distro /14:37
sharpneliSK_work: Don't do it. Please. Don't :D14:37
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sharpnelimeek_geek: It is full rpm based distro14:37
meek_geekSmarteX, where can i see the packages list for sailfish OS14:37
SK_workmeek_geek: it's an RPM based distro, but it is not in the common sense14:37
SK_worklike Fedora14:37
sharpnelimeek_geek: You just cannot naturally install X86 binaries for arm device14:38
SK_workit ships mobile oriented packages14:38
SK_workand limited libs14:38
meek_geekSK_work, but why is not fedora for ARM7 then ?14:38
meek_geekit should be14:38
SK_worksharpneli: joke :)14:38
SK_workmeek_geek: because (eg) of wayland14:38
SK_workit's based on Mer14:38
SK_workthat is a fully featured mobile oriented distro14:38
sharpneliAnd no-one really wants to run a full fledged desktop distro in a small touchscreen device14:38
sharpneliIt's all about the UI. The lower levels are the same.14:39
ballockmeek_geek: think so: Sailfish is the brand-new-shiny stuff of the developer desk14:39
SK_worksharpneli: close to the same14:39
ballockit no longer has X11, as it's outdated14:39
ballockand legacy14:39
SK_worksharpneli: libs are missing (GTK etc.)14:39
SK_workbut close14:39
sharpneliGTK depends on X11 so yeah14:39
SK_workballock: too bad, gimme my SSH+X11 back plizz14:39
ballockit no longer has sysvinit, and was first to switch to systemd14:39
SK_worksharpneli: GTK3 allows Wayland14:39
meek_geekomg Tor on openrepo is a .deb file ?14:40
ballockits filesystem is btrfs14:40
SK_workbut I would never develop in GTK14:40
sharpneliYeah but on the other hand useful software is GTK2 and GTK3 is spawn of #?/("&/?14:40
SK_workmeek_geek: you found the Harmattan version of Tor14:40
SK_worktry again14:40
ballockmeek_geek: so although you might be missing some functionality of the legacy applications14:41
ballockif you're developing new cool stuff, that' your platform of choice14:41
meek_geekI think Sailfish OS is confusing14:41
ballockDebian+Ubuntu recently switched to systemd too14:41
SK_workmeek_geek: why ?14:42
meek_geekits not even supporting arm7 binaries of a particular distro14:42
meek_geeklike deb or fedora14:42
ballockopensuse is thinking to move to btrfs14:42
SK_workbecause it's not meant to be like this14:42
SK_workit is a mobile OS14:42
meek_geekdebian arm7 is available14:42
ballockmeek_geek: you can't just use binary packages from one Linux distribution on another14:42
SK_workmeek_geek: BTW, SFOS supports ARMv7 of a particular distro, this distro is called Mer14:42
meek_geekI know sir14:42
ballocklike you can't use Debian package repositories on Ubuntu or vice-versa14:43
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meek_geekbut fedora rpm arm7 support is needed14:43
EztranWhy Fedora, OOI?14:43
SmarteXballock: You actually can14:43
SK_workSmarteX: and you can break your system too. Can != recommended14:44
SmarteX(Ubuntu is based on Debian, AFAIK)14:44
Eztran'you can, but don't' is pretty much how it usually goes.14:44
ballockSmarteX: nope; it sometimes works, but that's the end of the story14:44
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ballockyou're *way* safier with recompiling the source package14:44
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ballockI've been doing that for years :)14:45
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SmarteXballock: true14:45
ballock(oh, now it turned out I'm old)14:45
SK_workballock: lol14:46
ballockanyway, there are people recompiling source RPMs on Mer/Sailfish14:46
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EztranVery much so :)14:46
SK_workballock: I wonder when GTK will land14:46
ballockmeek_geek: if you need a particular one, (non-graphical), you're safe trying14:46
EztranThey really don't want GTK to land.14:46
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meek_geekI wonder what would happen when ubuntu would launch a full version of gnu/linux that would support almost everything14:47
coderuswhy you need gtk?..14:47
SK_workor EFLs14:47
SK_workmeek_geek: it's happening, called ubuntu touch14:47
Eztranmeek_geek: when they finally get XMir in place...14:47
SK_workcoderus: because of fun, because I would love to have classic linux apps running14:47
ballockmeek_geek: and that's a similar effort to Xwaylanf14:47
SK_workeven though, I would prefer having KDE running14:48
Eztranbut let's be honest, it's gonna scale really badly to small screens (N900 really wanted a stylus for this reason).14:48
coderusSK_work: well, classic apps require X more than GTK/QWidgets14:48
ballockout of interest, for the devs - do I need to use Silica Qt5 libs to make a graphical app for SF?14:49
SK_workcoderus: GTK3 is "platform agnostic"14:49
SK_workas well as Qt 514:49
Eztranballock: Nope, though it's recommended.14:49
SK_workand newer EFLs14:49
SK_workso I wonder14:49
ballockor if somethings written for 'Qt5' general, it 'should' work?14:49
coderusSK_work: i'm talking about other side14:49
SK_workballock: yep, buyt you loose features14:49
SK_work(orientation, covers etc.)14:50
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coderusSK_work: no matter which graphic interface  it using14:50
coderusmost of apps strict to X with more or less features14:50
SK_workcoderus: true14:50
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ballockmeek_geek: so, what's the project you're attempting?14:50
SK_workIIRC KDE people are trying to rely less on X (or actually not relying at all)14:51
EztranMore major Linux apps should use Wayland with time. Still, XWayland would help in that.14:51
m4g0gwhy there is no kqoauth in sailfish?14:51
m4g0gUsing liboauth is awful14:51
m4g0gand painful14:51
SK_workm4g0g: submit it to nemomobile ?14:51
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meek_geeklook im not a programmer ballock but I m trying to support a full gnu/linux distro on mobile but I think tizen or ubuntu touch might kill it14:52
meek_geekalso open version of Android and various mods are already popular14:52
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SK_workmeek_geek: kill what ? a full gnu linux distro ?14:53
SK_workIIRC they are quite "full linux"14:53
SK_workubuntuch yep14:53
SK_workbut maybe not tizen14:53
meek_geekkill the competition14:53
SK_workthat is very close to SFOS14:53
SK_workwell, let's see14:53
meek_geekTizen = Samsung = People would not trust14:53
SK_workcompetition is good14:53
SK_workTizen = Samsung = strong brand = people will buy14:53
meek_geekTizen = Samsung = strong band = people will cry but still buy14:54
EztranSamsung devices sell like hotcakes. Shame they're not doing anything interesting with Tizen.14:54
SK_workEztran: smartwaches14:54
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ballockthe last showoff looked like they tried to make it look like their Android devices14:54
EztranThe above statement stands ;)14:55
SK_workso, when will the Tizen smartphone launch ?14:55
SK_workat least the ubuntouch one will launch soon (tm)14:55
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meek_geekubuntu touch would kill it14:55
ballockSK_work: I don't think soon is their trademark :p14:55
meek_geekit would outsell Open Android14:56
SK_workballock: it is :D14:56
EztranTizen's been thrown back and forth for ages, never looks like they're gonna release something (keeping it back?)14:56
meek_geekOneplus One phone is a killer too14:56
SK_workmeek_geek: only time will tell14:56
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m4g0gI have never think that creating goodreads application will have so many pain and problems ((14:56
SK_workEztran: rumours says that a phone will come at some point (this year)14:56
SK_workm4g0g: ever tried plain QNAM without helper libs for OAuth ?14:56
SK_workI use this for FB14:56
SK_work(and twitter actually)14:57
SK_worknot that hard14:57
meek_geekSK_work, I love Sailfish OS but seems like our community based OS  it would not survive the capitalist market14:57
SK_workmeek_geek: it is a capitalist OS14:57
SK_workSFOS is not even (fully) OSS14:57
SK_workand it is solded in the Jolla14:57
SK_workthat's capitalist14:57
meek_geekSK_work, but your providing it for other phones14:57
EztranMaemo/Harmattan sold well despite having awful support. Even just 'the same, but with finances' could do OK.14:58
meek_geekand soon it would be licensed or bought by some114:58
m4g0gSK_work: can you add possibility to scale images in friends?14:58
SK_workm4g0g: what do you mean by that ?14:58
SK_workmeek_geek: not yyet14:58
ballockmeek_geek: I am tracking Ubuntu Phone progress too, but... let's say they're a little bit behind - Sailfish is on the market since last year14:58
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m4g0gSK_work: when I see image from friends post it is very little and I want to scale it to big size as in gallery14:58
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meek_geekballock, but Sailfish OS needs to push Jolla in Asian markets where all the population is14:59
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meek_geekSK_work, I think at least a few phones would get Sailfish before JOlla itself is sold worldwide14:59
ballockI believe that was the plan14:59
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EztranPretty sure they're trying to hit Asia (particularly China) primarily by getting an Android hardware partner there. Which requires getting somewhere with the libhybris adaptations.15:00
meek_geekcost of JOlla Phone is the main issue15:00
meek_geekits damn costly phone15:00
meek_geekOneplus One = Dream of everything person15:00
SK_workm4g0g: tried clicking on it15:00
SK_workBTW, it is because of FB API15:00
SK_workmeek_geek: then buy one :)15:00
EztranExactly. The current price is a huge put-off in Asia. If they partner with a cheap manufacturer, though...15:01
m4g0gI click. It still  little with possibility to like it. But when I try to scale it with two fingers - nothing good heppends15:01
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meek_geekSK_work, no i would not android until i can15:01
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meek_geekI am holding .. I need a phone15:01
meek_geekbut jus need to see sailfish's next step15:01
SK_workmeek_geek: then ping Stskeeps, or sledges and ask them how to contribute to SFOS on Android15:01
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meek_geekSFOS on android = Bad idea15:02
SK_workwhy ?15:02
meek_geekSFOS on Android Phones totally by flashing it = Cooool15:02
SK_work(BTW, this discussion might be better on #JollaMobile)15:02
Eztranmeek_geek: that's what they meant.15:02
SK_workmeek_geek: isn't it what's going on ?15:02
meek_geekEztran, :]15:02
SmarteXmeek_geek I love my mako with sailfish15:02
SK_workSmarteX: does it works ?15:03
sledgesmeek_geek, you misunderstand "sfos android launcher"15:03
SK_worklike calls sms etc ?15:03
meek_geekI think guys I would buy a phone where i can install the OS of my choice15:03
sledgesSK_work: yes15:03
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EztranGet something with an unlocked bootloader and potential for community support.15:03
SK_workmeek_geek: maybe the one plus you know, it's based on cyanogen, so basically you can run sfos, or ubuntouch15:03
EztranBut the mobile market is crippled in this respect right now.15:03
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meek_geekOneplus is not available in my country15:04
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meek_geeknor is Jolla15:04
meek_geekBut I have one is Mind15:04
ballockwell, I guess Nexus'es are like that - you have SFOS for that, but Ubuntu images too15:04
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SK_workmeek_geek: get a Nexus 415:04
meek_geekSK_work, costly in my country15:04
SK_workcan be a good idea15:04
SK_workaah :(15:04
EztranIf it weren't for libhybris, there wouldn't even be this choice really.15:04
SK_workmeek_geek: where do you come actually ?15:04
meek_geek440 Dollars for Nexus 415:05
ballockEztran: let's praise its author :D15:05
meek_geek490 for Nexus 5 16 gb15:05
Eztranballock: I would, but I don't wanna disturb him :)15:06
TurskiUS dollars?15:06
ballockthat's why I didn't speak his nick aloud :p15:06
meek_geekBut I think i would buy Lenovo K90015:06
Stskeepsi thought canonical invented libhybris15:06
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EztranBahaha :)15:06
ballockdarn, he heard that15:06
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SK_workStskeeps: very funny ...15:07
meek_geekSK_work, I am freenonymous I am from the Internet15:07
Eztranbut really, it's about the only way any adaptations like this work, and a nice way out of the Android hole.15:07
SK_workmeek_geek: :P15:08
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SK_workballock: btw, know that Stskeeps is everywhere, and watching all of us15:08
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SK_workbig brother style15:08
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ballockyeah, I sometimes wonder if he has life outside IRC15:09
SK_workballock: you would be surprised15:09
meek_geekWhat is freenonymous ? its an anonymous guy who supports and promotes Free Software, free as in freedom and sees that the rights of the user of prop. software is not taken away in a manner that might cause irreparable harm to the user of it.15:10
SK_workmeek_geek: SFOS is partially closed and non-free :)15:10
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SK_workeven if people at Jolla are very open15:10
ballockhey, don't put the hero down15:10
meek_geekSK_work, I know15:10
meek_geekNothing is fully free15:10
SK_workballock: just a friendly reminder15:11
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ballockmeek_geek: I would disagree with this statement15:11
EztranIf you're gonna use FOSS-only, though, you'd have to go after the drivers, and that's a right minefield. It's not happening.15:11
meek_geekballock, Do you know what Fully Free is ?15:11
Eztranmobile drivers = aargh how did this happen15:12
SK_workEztran: drivers :/15:12
ballockalthough I heard that you can only get hit in the face for free15:12
meek_geekMobile drivers and specially Prop. Radio software that is the baseband is the culprit15:12
ballockthat goes too much in the direction of phylosophy classes I had during studies15:12
ballockthat was *not* my favourite class15:13
EztranTo me, it's considerably scarier that that's locked down than the UI. Others may think otherwise.15:13
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meek_geekI think we must support openness and wish that we have openbaseband soon15:14
StskeepsEztran: you are probably right to be scared (personal opinion)15:14
ballockWe used to have cable modems that interfaced through serial port15:14
ballockyou had no control over its 'firmware' either15:14
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meek_geekI think NSA is spying on Sailfish OS users fully15:15
meek_geekas its not encrypted by default15:15
SK_workmeek_geek: lol15:15
SK_worknsa is spying via the code hidden in qualcomm baseband15:15
SmarteXmeek_geek: Google's spying on us Android users - and we have encryption15:15
SK_workthey don't care about encryption15:16
meek_geeknever use Stock Android .. use Custom MODs15:16
EztranIt's not like they're any more secure.15:16
meek_geekwithout google apps please15:16
meek_geekEztran, they are15:16
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EztranThe 'without GApps' bit is likely to help more.15:17
SK_workmeek_geek: we had a nice chat today with Jolla people about security15:17
SK_worknon-encrypted password shouldn't happen soon15:17
EztranWell, surely people know the standard problem with that?15:17
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meek_geekDo not use Google Apps n that forget about Google Play Store please .. NO google prop. apps on Android if you want privacy15:18
meek_geekSK_work, ok15:18
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meek_geekWe need more research in the field15:18
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EztranSK_work:  Oh yeah, meeting was today. Was wondering what you meant, then.15:20
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SmarteXCurrently there's no way to use MultiROM?15:52
netzviehSmarteX: nope, you are free to find one though15:53
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DrIDKhello, is there a git repo for jolla apps ?16:10
SK_workDrIDK: which app are you searching for ?16:12
SK_workno, but many devs use github16:12
DrIDKSK_work: I finish my apps.. Want to share16:12
DrIDKwhat the community use ? github ?16:12
SK_workDrIDK: github16:13
SK_workjust create your own github i guess16:13
SK_workor bitbucjet16:13
SK_workwhere you want16:13
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DrIDKand how to publish on warehouse ?16:14
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SK_workDrIDK: create an account on openrepos.net16:21
SK_workyou have web ui everywhere thanks to basils16:21
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m4g0ghow to make default mail client to update all folders?17:23
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sledgesm4g0g: vote for https://together.jolla.com/question/6758/possibility-to-choose-which-imap-folders-to-show-in-the-mail-app/17:42
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Juubahey, openrepos (Warehouse) shows mitakuuluu and mitakuuluu219:27
Juubawhich of them is the correct client for Jolla ?19:28
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Juubawhat's the diff?19:29
Waiteemitäkuuluu2 is better19:29
Juubacan it load the "chat history" ? or is it even saved on whatsapp-servers ?19:29
Juubai just loaded mitakuuluu2, and old chats are lost19:30
Juubaseem to be anyways19:30
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Waiteewas there some trick to disable mitäkuuluu from disconnecting randomly?19:40
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ginrakuhi guys new here19:50
Stskeepshello hello19:51
ginrakucan anyone tell me how to to remove the watermark from nexus419:51
Stskeepshehe, i wonder when people figure out how easy it is .. :)19:51
Stskeepsit'll be gone in next update19:51
ginrakuahh no wonder it was so hard for me19:52
EztranAre you working on the principle that if people really want it gone they'll figure it out? :)19:52
fenix_fxStskeeps, hi, can you tell me changelog for next update?19:52
ginrakujust to clarify can you tell me the latest build version for nexus 419:52
Stskeepsfenix_fx: no, i don't even know it, but, we solved audio issues..19:53
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ginrakuyep that was a very much needed fix19:55
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ginrakui have been using it as a daily driver from last 2 days thanks to it19:56
eppeGreat that the watermark is gone soon, i swear its making me seasick. So just find the right qml file and Comment out some lines?19:57
ginrakuwhat is it gone how?19:59
eppenext update he said.20:00
EztranConsidering it's 'easy' to remove, yes, it's probably in QML.20:01
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ginrakubut since we have been given a terminal20:04
ginrakuand IF the watermark is a qml20:04
ginrakushouldn't it be easy to just delete the file20:04
ginrakusorry if i am wrong20:05
Eztrandelete/edit, depending on how it's added, probably.20:05
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Eztran(note: I've never used the Nexus build, do not know how it's actually implemented)20:05
ginrakui don't suppose it would be that different20:08
ginrakui want to support the jolla community by buying the jolla phone20:08
ginrakubut damn it's costly and plus the custom duties20:09
ginrakuit would be even costlier than iphone 5s top model20:09
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raa70how's that even possible?20:10
fenix_fxStskeeps, ok thanks :) How soon it will release? :)20:10
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ginrakuit costs me around 33000 inr + custom duties for importing it which would be 35% of the value20:12
ginrakuand i5s costs 50000 inr here20:13
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Stskeepsfenix_fx: when it's ready20:13
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m4g0gguys, how I can add library locally to sailfish?20:29
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