Saturday, 2014-05-24

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vgrade_hi squidd07:47
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stephgmerlin1991 thx07:56
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coderuscan anyone give me minimal working qml code vor video recording?08:04
coderusim getting [W 00:37:38] CameraBin error: "Internal data flow error."08:04
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Loris_i just sailfish using Xorg or Wayland?08:19
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zhxt__coderus, you're writing a camera app for Sailfish?08:27
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zhxt__coderus, It seems sailfishos is using droidcamsrc, and Qt multimedia using v4l2src included in gst-bad.08:30
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coderuszhxt__: i'm making video capture functionality for Mitakuuluu08:32
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kimmoliok, i can ssh to mersdk, but QtCreator says it can not connect to it08:45
kimmolieither restart mersdk from qycreator or rebootng it over ssh help08:47
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Stskeepsgood morning all09:34
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coderusi ened help in videoRecorder settings. i need poor quality settings for video note ~10s. played with parameters manually and 9/10 i'm getting Internal flow error09:38
tbrgstreamer is a b*tch09:41
Stskeepscoderus: rememver resource policy09:43
coderusStskeeps: resource policy?09:44
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Stskeepsreserve the video resource09:44
Stskeepsmoo qwazix09:44
coderusi'm checking jolla-camera09:45
coderusand i see only mediakeys resource09:45
coderusnothing more09:45
coderusalso jolla-gallery have no video/avi mime association :D09:46
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saber_the ctrl-c and ctrl-a hotkey in my Sailfish SDK suddently not work09:49
saber_ctrl-c becomes the hotkey of "End"09:49
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saber_I cannot copy any text in sailfishSDK09:50
saber_but in other application likes firefox, it works :(09:50
coderusTools -> Settings -> Environment -> Keyboard09:51
saber_I use ubuntu 14.0409:51
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saber_I tried to look for that option09:52
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saber_but it shows that copy is "ctrl+c"09:52
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saber_just nothing special and it is normal09:52
saber_Though, I tried to reset settings and reinstall it09:52
saber_this case still present  T ^ T09:53
saber_I pressed "ctrl+c", the right corner changed to "COMMAND" mode09:53
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coderusright corner "COMMAND" ?09:55
coderusshow screenshot pleaes09:55
coderusMSameer: qwazix: ping09:56
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MSameercoderus: pong?09:56
coderusMSameer: help me with video recording please :)09:57
SaberArtoriathe bottom-right corner09:58
MSameercoderus: don't ask to ask. just ask ;)09:58
MSameerwhat's the issue?09:58
coderusi need poor settings configuration for recording vioce note ~10s09:59
coderusvideo note*09:59
coderus9/10 i'm gettingg Internal data flow error09:59
Morpog_PC___he wants low quality recording settings for small file size of videos09:59
MSameercoderus: what are you using?10:00
coderusand also my camcorder making quicktime videos :D10:00
coderusif i changing to video/avi container it saving video with broken header10:00
coderusMSameer: qml10:00
coderus        videoRecorder{10:01
coderus            resolution: extensions.viewfinderResolution10:01
coderus            frameRate: 3010:01
coderus            audioChannels: 210:01
coderus            audioSampleRate: 4800010:01
coderus            audioCodec: "audio/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)4"10:01
coderus            videoCodec: "video/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)4"10:01
coderus            mediaContainer: "video/quicktime, variant=(string)iso"10:01
coderusthis is my current configuration10:01 coderus ;)10:01
coderusi'm using 640x480 viewfinder here10:01
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coderusand 10 seconds video took 5MB, i want lower :D10:02
MSameercoderus: don't save mpeg4 stream into avi10:02
MSameercoderus: I am not entirely sure it's even possible10:02
SaberArtoria@coderus Problem solved :)10:02
coderusSaberArtoria: good, how?10:02
MSameercoderus: set the bitrate for the video encoder to something low10:03
SaberArtoriathe vim style editing mode is on10:03
coderusMSameer: i tried video/mp4, gstreamer said its missing plugins :)10:03
MSameercoderus: you remember those preset files ? ;)10:03
SaberArtoriaso copy and paste go to alt+v and alt+c10:03
SaberArtoriathz so much10:03
coderusMSameer: yup10:03
coderusMSameer: i'm loading jolla-camera presets10:03
coderusits still same project :)10:03
MSameercoderus: that won't work :/10:04
coderusMSameer: how to change video bitrate and container?10:04
coderusMSameer: ??10:04
MSameercoderus: you need a preset with a lower bitrate and the jolla camera ones do not have that preset10:04
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coderusMSameer: ahh!10:05
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MSameercoderus: container != file extension BTW10:05
coderusthats it :)10:05
coderusokay, i see now10:05
MSameercoderus: video/quicktime is mp4 (just woke up so still loading my brain db :D)10:05
coderuscan you help me with good preset config?10:05
MSameercoderus: I can help as much as I can but it's mainly about the bitrate10:06
MSameercoderus: if you have a jolla phone, check the android media caps (find /system -name "*media*.xml"10:06
MSameerI'd check there as a starting point ;)10:06
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MSameercoderus: line 35510:10
MSameerit's h264 but we can start from there10:10
MSameeror you can use h264 ;-)10:11
Morpog_PC___h264 sounds good for small file size10:11
coderuswill try if it supported10:11
coderusMSameer: well, how to set this for preset and how to enable  my preset?10:12
tbrset low bitrate, probably qvga or cif and be done with it. by the looks of that pastebin that's perfectly supported10:12
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qwazixcoderus, pong10:12
MSameercoderus: unfortunately I am not sure at all10:13
qwazixtho if you needed be for video recording I'm not the right person :P10:13
MSameercoderus: have you checked the .qml files for jolla camera as an inspiration?10:13
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MSameercoderus: I don't have my jolla connected to the laptop to check for you :/10:14
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coderusMSameer: there is Settings proprietary plugin handling tat :\10:16
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coderusimho it should be automatically fetched by resolution10:17
coderusMSameer: so, can you just point me in creating preset?10:18
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Morpog_PC___coderus, iirc video recording uses a gstreamer preset10:18
coderusMorpog_PC___: we're talking about same :)10:19
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MSameercoderus: seems the preset is a parameter to the qtmultimedia encoder settings10:19
MSameercoderus: the guy who created that commit is the guy doing camera. feel free to bug him10:20
faenilMSameer, btw, I think this I can redirect one question to you10:21
coderusMSameer: so, probably video/mpeg, mpegversion=(int)4 preset=myPreset should work?10:21
MSameerfaenil: which question?10:21
faenilfrom #nemomobile10:21
faenil<thiagoss> Hi, I just stumbled on and I think this would be nice to have in upstream gstreamer.10:21
faenil<thiagoss> Who should I talk to?10:21
faenilit's by the same camera guy, but I thought you could be good as well since it's gstreamer10:22
faenilokay, sorry then ;)10:22
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MSameerspeak to that guy10:23
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faenilyeah told him to send him an email ;)10:23
coderusMSameer: or how to contact with adenexter?10:23
faenilcoderus, there's an email :)10:24
faenil(at least)10:24
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coderuscant find :>10:25
faenillook at the link I pasted ;)10:25
MSameercoderus: sailfishos-devel mailing list?10:25
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MSameercoderus: he posted to the list10:26
faenilthere's the email on the patch I posted10:27
coderusaha got it, thanks10:27
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MSameercoderus: all camera/multimedia/qt multimedia issues -> go to him10:28
MSameerI was never the right person anyway10:28
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faenilthp, do you have a list of "recommended podcasts" or something? (hacking related possibly) I'm still outside of the podcasts world :)10:35
coderussent mail. will let you know :)10:36
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faenilgood :)10:37
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MSameercoderus: now you know why I have my own camera library :p10:48
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faenilMSameer, btw, is it published anywhere? do you have a camera app as well?11:00
MSameerfaenil: yes and no and yes11:01
MSameerfaenil: the library is FOSS and the camera app too11:01
faenillet me sum up, I want to install and try it :P11:01
MSameerfaenil: and it works. just a bunch of issues to solve11:01
MSameerfaenil: there is however a binary only gstreamer plugin which is needed as I have not yet opened it up11:02
MSameerfaenil: I can give you more details if you feel brave enough11:02
faenilwhy not11:02
faenilno time to look at the source anyway atm11:03
MSameerfaenil: can we postpone it till the evening then? need to go out with the family in a few moments :)11:03
faenilsure, have fun! ;)11:03
* MSameer thinks it's too sunny outside :S11:03
MSameerfaenil: thanks11:03
faenilcloudy here :/11:03
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stephgraining here!11:07
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faenileasy to guess, eheh11:10
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stephgbefore I had to do DIY on the house as it's the weekend11:22
stephgtrying to build mervncserver11:22
stephgit depends on libvncserver which I've built and have installed in the sdk vm11:23
stephgas I try to build mervncserver now pkgconfig is complaining that libvncserver isn't there11:23
stephg'No provider of 'pkgconfig(libvncserver)' found', it is, it's -devel is too and it's plonked libvncserver.pc files in /usr/lib/pkgconfig11:24
stephgso I'm scratching my head :(11:24
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stephgI'm presuming this is a success rather than a failure:
vgrade_stephg: are you using OBS11:26
stephgno this is by hand in the mersdk11:27
vgrade_ah, ok, I'm more familiar with OBS and local OBS building.11:27
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stephgso I have another failure (which I'll get to once I've fixed this but on that one pkg-config exits '1' for the missing build dep11:28
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faenilstephg, let me know how you fix it :)11:36
vgrade_stephg: what are you using sb2, mb2?11:37
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stephgI think it may be something funky in the first package11:40
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vgrade_is lib vnc package on OBS11:41
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vgrade_stephg: did you install the lib package in the sb2/mb2 target/11:44
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stephgthe -devel you mean? yeah11:45
stephgwell both11:45
faeniltried "sb2 -t targetName pkg-config --debug libvncserver" ?11:48
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faenilAndy80, o/11:50
vgrade_stephg: did you install the devel pacakge to the sdk or into the sb2 target?11:50
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stephgmb2/sb2 themselves don't build in a chroot do they?12:02
stephgif so that'd be what's wrong12:02
stephganyway I've been summoned to paint12:02
stephgcatch you all laters12:02
vgrade_stephg: yes, think so12:02
faenilI think they do12:02
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stephgholy abstraction batman ;)12:02
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vgrade_stephg: inception12:03
vgrade_still raining here so gardening has been cancelled \o/12:03
vgrade_sb2 -t <target> -R zypper install *-devel12:04
faenilvgrade_, lucky :p12:05
vgrade_faenil: yea, I'm sure Janice will find me something else to do soonish12:06
Andy80faenil: yo!12:19
Andy80good afternoon :)12:19
faenilAndy80, yo dogh :P12:19
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JvD_what mb2 stands for? sb i know12:36
Stskeepswell, story comes from that we worked at a qtcs on how to do fast builds of qt based applications/easier workflow12:37
Stskeepsas building rpms each damn time is just painful..12:37
Stskeepsoriginal tool is called 'mb' and i'm not sure why, but mer or meego build? :P12:38
Stskeepsmb2 is version 2.012:38
JvD_ok.. my ques was mer for m =)12:38
JvD_now I have to but on my tizen shirt and go back outside chopping wood with chainsaw12:39
Stskeepstizen tshirts are excellent, very soft.. excellent for burping your kid12:40
Stskeepsas i can't wear them outside12:40
JvD_I use my mer project and jolla shirts on birthdays and weddings12:40
tbrTizen, because everybody needs an oil-change t-shirt!12:44
tbralso nice to mildly troll aard when visiting him12:44
Stskeepsi'm still traumatised over visting wroclaw and two german girls point-and-laughed at my tshirt..12:44
JvD_I didn't get much respect on linuxcon on askin questions about titzens from samsung and intel guys12:45
tbrStskeeps: well, that's the german perspective for you...12:46
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* Stskeeps reads on sentiment analysis..12:48
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attahHmmm.. Is there a way to set currentIndex (of a ContextMenu) in a ComboBox from the inside? From the outside it works fine :/13:14
Sfiet_Konstantinattah: what do you mean ?13:15
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attahThe contextmenu normally defaults to having selected the first item, right.. but this can be manipulated (in this case in a oncompleted method) from outside the object (ComboBox)13:17
attahI'd like to do the same from inside the combobox13:17
mikko__Hello. I am trying to install this on my Jolla but cant build it, because it says "make g++ not found". Any help?13:17
Sfiet_Konstantinhey mikko__ again13:18
Sfiet_Konstantinhow are you trying to build your app ?13:18
mikko__or install  ./configure -> make13:19
Sfiet_Konstantinmikko__: where ?13:20
Sfiet_Konstantindid you installed it onto your phone ?13:20
Sfiet_Konstantinmight not the best idea, better package it on a computer13:20
Sfiet_Konstantinyou can use sailfish sdk to do this13:20
tbris building outside SDK better documented nowadays?13:20
Stskeepswasn't there a wiki at some point?13:21
Sfiet_Konstantintbr: like ?13:21
mikko__I need to install another linux then? I can only get .deb packages with Mint.13:21
mikko__Or can you do it with sdk?13:21
Sfiet_Konstantinmikko__: well, the SF SDK is contained inside a virtuablox13:21
Sfiet_Konstantinyou can ssh in it, and it gives you a cross-compilation environnement13:21
tbrSfiet_Konstantin: as in where to put sources, how to ssh to build-vm, etc13:21
Sfiet_Konstantintbr: ah13:22
Sfiet_Konstantinit's not outside of SDK then, it's just not using QtC13:22
tbrso far I've only seen scattered information. which is fine for me13:22
Sfiet_Konstantintbr: true13:22
tbrSfiet_Konstantin: point taken, though for many users QtC _is_ the SDK13:23
Sfiet_Konstantintbr: ok13:23
tbrquick! someone blog about it!13:23
tbrand if that blog isn't on planet yet, add it!13:23
tbr - should advertize that more...13:24
Sfiet_Konstantintbr: right, will land it into sailfishdev.tumblr13:24
* Stskeeps ponders if we should just redirect to there..13:25
Stskeepsiekku: ^ one for the ponderance13:25
mikko__Any help how to compile .tar to .rpm with sdk?13:26
Stskeepsmikko__: sec13:26
* Stskeeps scratches head13:29
Stskeepswhere did that page go..13:29
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Stskeepsmikko__: this is surprisingily good:
Stskeeps(wow, fwiw)13:31
faenilsad to know that the author of that pdf is now quite angry at Jolla :/ (don't remember why)13:34
coderusMSameer: ping13:34
Stskeepsfaenil: ah.. i think i can see13:34
Stskeeps:/ so it goes13:34
Stskeepsdoesn't change the fact he did a good job.13:35
faenilindeed :) wonderful job13:35
Stskeepsthe particular bug he got really upset about made me want to throw the phone against the wall, too13:36
faenilStskeeps, that should be turned into the official guide (since there isn't any atm)13:37
Stskeepswell, it's NC so no-go13:37
mikko__Would help if I would not be complete noob. I just want command line clipboard tool. :/13:37
faenilStskeeps, not even quoted on the website?13:38
Stskeepsfaenil: would probably constitute commercial usage13:38
StskeepsNC is a bit comple13:39
faenilI see13:39
Sfiet_Konstantintbr: written :)13:40
tbrSfiet_Konstantin: great!13:42
tbrSfiet_Konstantin: and I wrote a mail to the dev ml. let's see if we get some more input for the plantes13:42
matrixxI'm a little bit confused where should I install my app's datafile (other than source) which I install as pre-installed data and then I should be able to read and update it13:42
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matrixxwhat's the correct path to give in in project files, and how to access it from code13:43
Sfiet_Konstantintbr: plantes ?13:43
Stskeepswasn't this the libsailfishapp something-something location discussion?13:43
Sfiet_Konstantinplanet ? :)13:43
tbrmatrixx: didn't harbour faq have some stuff on it?13:43
tbrSfiet_Konstantin: planets13:43
Sfiet_Konstantinmatrixx: embed your data in qrc / installed files, and at first start check if data is here13:43
Sfiet_Konstantinif not dump it into .local/share/ etc.13:44
tbrStskeeps: I wasn't aware of a sailfish planet, hence why I started that one...13:44
matrixxSfiet_Konstantin: I don't like working with qrc, for some reason qtcreator does not clean it properly and reads always very old version of the data13:44
Stskeepstbr: yeah, i don't think we have one13:44
Stskeepsgood initiative13:45
tbrthe mer/nemo planets have been around a bit13:45
* Stskeeps double cchecks that we don't have one..13:45
matrixxI've now been reading about $XDG_DATA_HOME, but I don13:45
matrixx't get it13:45
tbrthe sailfish planet only started picking up when I saw some blogs mentioned on IRC13:45
* Stskeeps promotes it13:46
matrixxif I want to make the installation/reading/modifying of the file not transparent to the application, should I use $XDG_DATA_HOME for installation, and then which function I can use to access that dir?13:46
attahWhy is it that default values for properties are set *after* Component.onCompleted on an enclosing object?13:47
Sfiet_Konstantinmatrixx: install plain files ?13:49
matrixxSfiet_Konstantin: yes, xml13:49
Sfiet_Konstantinmatrixx: use qstandardpat13:49
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attahLike 666 here:  property int value: currentItem ? currentItem.value : 66613:49
Sfiet_KonstantinQStandardPath::writableLocation(QStandardPaths::DataLocation) should do the trick13:49
matrixxSfiet_Konstantin: thanks, that's what I was looking for :)13:50
Sfiet_Konstantinmatrixx: in your main, you can check if the file exists with QFile, and QFile::copy the one you isntalled if needed :)13:50
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matrixxSfiet_Konstantin: yeah, this works perfectly to my case where I install one default xml and then update it from the internet later13:51
matrixxon some sort of a schedule app :)13:51
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Sfiet_Konstantinmatrixx: ;)13:52
mikko__Still no idea how to do this. :D Can someone build this for me I need it for some of my scripts on my Jolla.13:52
Stskeepsmikko__: ok, hang on..13:52
Sfiet_Konstantinmikko__: one sec13:52
Stskeepsok, if Sfiet_Konstantin does it, it's better. :P13:52
Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: lol13:52
Sfiet_Konstantinthat's not true at all !13:52
mikko__If it even does the job to take stuff from clipboard to command line. It was only alternative that I could find for Xclip13:53
Sfiet_Konstantincan you follow this a bit13:54
Sfiet_Konstantinand if you don't understand ping me ? :)13:54
Stskeepsjust be aware that we might not factually have a so terribly standard clipboard, being a Wayland system13:54
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Sfiet_Konstantinmikko__: of course, if you want the "SDK", get it from (as the topic of the channel states) :)13:55
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mikko__So it might not work at all. :/ On N9 I had shortcuts that opened Video players and stuff from url that I just copied from web page. And I used it often.'13:56
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Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: does the Qt implementation of clipboard works better ?13:56
Sfiet_Konstantinbecause this might work more easily with some Qt API13:56
Sfiet_Konstantinmikko__: do you mind writing some code13:57
StskeepsSfiet_Konstantin: probably13:57
iekkuStskeeps, could you ping me again when this damn heat has left finland and we are back in normal situation? my head is more than malfunctioning...13:58
Stskeepsiekku: badger overheat?13:58
Stskeepsbut yes13:58
mikko__I am not making application I am trying to find alternative for Xclip that works on sailfish.13:58
iekkuStskeeps, seriously13:58
Sfiet_Konstantinmikko__: you should then study the code of xclip ?13:59
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mikko__Xclip needs X1114:00
Stskeepsmikko__: can you tell me roughly what xclip does?14:00
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Sfiet_Konstantinmikko__: ah something like xclip, but for SFOS14:00
Sfiet_Konstantinsorry, didn't understand14:00
Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: I guess, a clipboard grabber14:01
mikko__copy thing to clipboard. Do echo xlclip and you get what you copied.14:01
mikko__*echo xlip14:01
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Stskeepssounds useful, wonder how easily we could remake that..14:02
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Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: right, because of you I'm tempted to do some experiments :(:)14:03
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mikko__<Sfiet_Konstantin> I am sorry if I am taking too much of your time. :P14:14
Sfiet_Konstantinmikko__: this is fun14:14
Stskeepsjavispedro: have you by chance ever seen a device with bluetooth LE that had 4.1.2 before and gained it with 4.2.2 update?14:15
Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps and mikko__ in QClipboard front, I think that nothing works :(14:15
StskeepsSfiet_Konstantin: i'm fairly sure standard methods ought to work14:15
Stskeepsi might be wrong, but i'd think so14:16
Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: checking qt source14:16
Sfiet_Konstantinand to see how it relates to qpa14:16
Sfiet_KonstantinI think I might did something wrong14:16
Stskeepsartemma: fwiw problem with ring might not necessarily be about priority; but about blocking dbus calls14:16
Stskeepsartemma: does the call counter increase?14:16
Stskeepsor just stuck14:16
javispedroStskeeps: sorry, but I have nothing other than HP Touchpad14:18
Stskeepsjavispedro: ok, i shall investigate myself then14:18
Stskeepsi really wonder if the bt le issue is a purely kernel problem14:18
javispedrofrom the linux side I believe not14:18
javispedroon the qualcomm side I have no idea14:18
Stskeepsas in; the lescan problem14:18
Stskeepsbut there might be a deeper-laying coexistence problem14:19
javispedrovirtually no linux code is involved in a lescan, specially in <3.5 kernels14:19
javispedroaiui in recent kernels they use the "management interface" for the scan which basically means the kernel handles everything14:20
javispedrobut on previous it's just userspace talking HCI directly with the bt chipset14:20
Stskeepshrm, nexus 4 is LE too isn't it..14:20
* Stskeeps looks14:20
Stskeepswhat's your opinion on bluedroid, if you have one, btw?14:20
Stskeepsie, bluetooth as a HAL interface14:20
Stskeepsthere's a kind of awkward situation that bluez 5 is practically useless on most out there devices and reference designs14:21
javispedroI might be able to make it to the next meeting, should we raise this topic there?14:22
Stskeepssure, just add a topic and i'll try my best to get the right peopel there14:22
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Stskeepsand another point also being how emotionally attached people are to bluez api.. which i also understand has changed massively from bluez4 to bluez514:22
tbrStskeeps: yes, nx4 has LE14:23
Stskeepstbr: okiedokie14:23
tbrI wasn't very happy with android LE performance so far though14:24
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tbrthe stack seems to crash unrecoverably, a LOT14:24
tbr→ reboot14:24
javispedrofor me bluedroid is basically an attempt to enable propietary bluetooth drivers and addons14:24
tbras in sometimes only a reboot will fix it. sometimes also disabling all bluetooth and airplane mode will help14:25
Stskeepsprobably true14:25
javispedrothat's why I don't have much more opinion :)14:25
Stskeepsbut at least the API is known14:25
javispedro(vs bluez which was moving stuff into the kernel making propietary drivers harder)14:25
tbrStskeeps: s/bluedroid/ril/ and think about your statement. ;-þ14:25
Stskeepstbr: yeah.. but sometimes it's just nice to fall back on knowing expected behaviour is documented14:26
Stskeepsnot that there's not bugs like 'android does it this way, api says it's a bit more complicated to support, let's only support android's way'..14:26
tbris it? when I was talking to our ofono guys they weren't very kind about the RIL docs14:26
Stskeepsril docs are not very kind, agreed14:26
tbrI didn't expect bluedroid to be much better, by association14:27
tbrmind you I haven't actually looked at that14:27
Sfiet_Konstantinhum ...14:27
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tbrSfiet_Konstantin: for clipboard you can look at fingerterm too, it uses it14:27
Stskeepsproblem with bluez vs bluedroid is probably volume; 4.2.2 was the switchover14:27
Sfiet_Konstantintbr: ah, true14:27
Stskeepsthat's a boatload of designs out ther14:27
Stskeepsand there's no more hciattach easy read how it's done etc14:28
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Stskeepsi need to figure out how to get bluetooth going on n4..14:29
javispedrobut, what is the problematic part?14:29
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tbrStskeeps: it came out before the switch, so there must be a bluez stack14:30
Stskeepstbr: hmm14:30
faenilmikko__, Sfiet_Konstantin QClipboard seems to be working good here?
Stskeepsthat's a valid point14:30
tbror was it?14:30
javispedroI mean, is it on the hw support side? Or are we talking about user/developer-visible API?14:30
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javispedro(regarding bluez5)14:30
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Stskeepswell, from sailfishos perspective it is that our stack is fairly bluez tied; but, bluez validated setups no longer exists for a majority of hardware designs out there,14:30
Stskeepsdue to the switchover to bluedroid14:31
Stskeepswhich is a bit of a problem from spread and portability perspective14:31
tbronly intel and a select few cling to bluez14:31
n1ckyStskeeps: any progress on the nexus4 HAL as of late? or an eta on the next release?14:31
tbrI know! let's introduce an abstraction layer! *snerk*14:31
Stskeepsn1cky: we're following next release which i -think- somebody said early june about14:31
Stskeepstbr: that's .. one option14:31
* Stskeeps breaks down and cries14:31
n1ckynice, that's exciting.14:32
* tbr hugs Stskeeps 14:32
javispedromeh, I had even started writing a bluez4->bluez5 one.14:32
Stskeepstbr: came with 4.2, it seems14:32
Stskeepsit should be possible though14:33
Stskeepsubuntu touch did it, afaik14:33
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: eactly14:33
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: I checked: theer is a qwaylandclipboard etc.14:34
Sfiet_Konstantinso I wonder what's going wrong14:34
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tbrStskeeps: yeah, QC must have had a working bluez stack, with the lead time and all that14:34
faenilso, you have a basic qclipboard example and it doesn't work?14:34
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Stskeepstbr: true14:35
javispedroStskeeps: so it basically certification you're talking about? as in, it's hard to find preexisting certified bluez5+qualcomm bt hardware?14:36
Sfiet_Konstantininvoking with -g returns nothing14:36
Sfiet_Konstantininvoking with -s "text" do nothing14:36
Sfiet_KonstantinI'm thinking if I need an event loop14:36
Stskeepsjavispedro: certification practically needs to be re-run anyway from my understanding, but in terms of having something you can factually bring up with bluez514:36
Stskeepsie, known good working configuration14:37
Stskeepsif you have to do things differently/figure out how to make it work, it's a huge pain14:37
Stskeepsbeing able to piggyback off a known working android HAL is tempting in that regard14:38
javispedroi think there's basically no way out of that14:38
javispedroif you use bluedroid you'd be the first doing it14:38
faenilSfiet_Konstantin, don't know, it's needed in X11 for sure14:38
javispedroif you use bluez5 you'd be the first doing it too, either.14:38
Stskeepswell, bluez4 wouldn't be easy either :P14:38
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: will try by invoking a gui14:38
javispedrobut at least everyone uses bluez4 (last tiem I looked at ubuntu touch they'd used bluez4 too)14:38
javispedrotbh I thought it would be easier for jolla to switch to bluez5 since you're already using the ofono-connman-bluez triumvirate14:39
faenilSfiet_Konstantin, why not just starting an event loop in that main14:39
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: will do this14:40
Sfiet_Konstantintrying now14:41
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faenilSfiet_Konstantin, since wayland is a protocol I'd defintely expect the clipboard to need an event loop since it will probably be about sending and receiving content of the clipboard14:42
faenilas messages of that protocol14:43
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: my guess too14:44
Stskeepsjavispedro: being stuck on 3.4 is heaps of fun14:44
javispedroafaik, you don't really need to upgrade post 3.4 to switch to bluez5.14:44
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javispedrobut it is an ugly situation specially with BLE14:44
Stskeepsa lot of backporting14:44
javispedroI'm assuming no backporting at all14:44
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: confirmed14:45
* faenil wonders what will happen when the imaginary Jolla2 will ship (with kernel >3.4), how will sailors keep the Jolla1 up to date14:45
Sfiet_Konstantinwith event loop it works14:45
faenilSfiet_Konstantin, cool :)14:45
Sfiet_Konstantinmikko__: what do you want ?14:45
javispedrofor example "private" BLE addresses is a feature that does requires >3.414:45
Sfiet_Konstantintell me exactly what is needed from you ?14:45
Sfiet_Konstantinif I give you wlclip -g writes the clipboard to stdout, what do you think ?14:46
Sfiet_Konstantinand wlclip -s "some text" to set it14:46
javispedrook, topic proposed:
mikko__Sfiet_Konstantin I want that if you copy URL from browser then do "echo 'clipboard' " In terminal or script you get that URL.14:49
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: right, so tried without gui, no clipboard14:50
Sfiet_Konstantinnow try with a hidden gui14:50
faenilwhat do you mean with GUI?14:50
faenilyou just need a QEventLoop14:51
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: qquickview14:51
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: I'm using the system's event loop (aka qguiapp)14:51
faenilbut there's no need, is there :)14:51
faenilno need for a ui14:51
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: my guess too14:51
Sfiet_Konstantinmaybe I'm just posting events too fast14:52
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javispedroStskeeps: eitherway, I am reasonably sure switching to bluedroid or bluez5 will not fix the BLE scan thing =)14:55
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faenilwas there any development about this btw?
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: sending an event on app start (just after gui displayed) to try to get clipboard don't work14:58
faenil(not the post, the thread itself)14:58
faenilSfiet_Konstantin, mm14:58
Sfiet_Konstantinclicking on a button to post an event and it works :/14:58
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javispedrolol, sudo in mer-tools is built with fortunes support15:07
javispedro"This mission is too important for me to allow you to jeopardize it."15:07
Yanielwhat :D15:08
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Sfiet_Konstantinright, I give up with clipboard thing faenil mikko__: you need to show the window to have access to clipboard15:11
Sfiet_Konstantinand this is too bad :(15:11
Sfiet_Konstantinbefore, it do not respond15:11
Sfiet_Konstantinand if your device is turned off and you are using cli, it don't work either15:11
faenilwe should ask giucam or sletta15:11
Sfiet_Konstantinbut I'm tired15:12
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javispedroSfiet_Konstantin: what if you wait a second or so15:12
Sfiet_Konstantinjavispedro: I tried15:13
Sfiet_KonstantinI delayed my event a lot15:13
Sfiet_Konstantinbut with the same code15:13
Sfiet_Konstantinscreen turned off, invoking it gives nothign15:13
Sfiet_Konstantinscreen on, (lockscreen) -> still nothing15:13
Sfiet_Konstantinscreen on, multitask screen -> the app shows up and it returns something15:13
mikko__I dont mind if it shows windows for few secs when I use it.15:14
Sfiet_Konstantinmikko__: not elegant :(15:15
Sfiet_Konstantinmikko__: please ping me later then15:15
Sfiet_Konstantinneed to grab some food15:15
Sfiet_Konstantinand maybe do something else15:16
mikko__Still more user friendly than open new application, navigate to URL bar, paste link and click open15:16
Sfiet_Konstantinmikko__: you will need screen turned on and not locked15:17
Sfiet_Konstantinmikko__: anyway15:18
Sfiet_Konstantin /me go rest15:18
mikko__I usually have screen turned on when I click application on phone :P15:18
mikko__I dont want keep you up15:19
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javispedrofaenil: if the signon.db thing scares you, just chown it to privileged:privileged15:21
faeniljavispedro, it wouldn't scare you?15:22
javispedroin fact, it was like that on my jolla at some point, but I just checked on mine (which had the latest version flashed on firmware) and it's nemo:nemo15:22
faenilit's nemo:nemo atm iiuc15:22
javispedrofaenil: it doesn't scare me because it's exactly the same level of security in all my boxes :)15:23
javispedroincluding Windows boxes..15:23
faenilany app can get your passwords without asking? seriously?15:23
tbrplanet is growing :)15:23
javispedroe.g. google "recover wifi passwords windows"15:23
faeniljavispedro, that's different15:24
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javispedrofaenil: I'm not talking about remote password bruteforces15:24
faeniljavispedro, so, tell me you won't change it to priviledged:priviledged now ;)15:24
Sfiet_Konstantintbr: :)15:25
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javispedrofaenil: I actually did just to check whether it still worked =)15:25
javispedrofaenil: and yes, it seems to work =)15:25
javispedrofaenil: you also need to chmod 0660 though15:25
javispedroignore that15:26
javispedroit does not work15:26
javispedroso either I dreamt it was set to :privileged at some point or it's a regression =)15:26
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faeniljavispedro, so you feel completely fine with that being set to nemo:nemo I seem to understand :)15:27
javispedrofaenil: it's been the same for any non-aegis maemo device so far.15:28
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faeniljavispedro, I don't care about that, tell me you're fine and feel safe installing apps :)15:28
javispedroand for most auto-login linux desktops15:29
javispedrono, I don't feel fine installing random apps15:29
faenilok, cool15:29
faenilbecause that's what 95% people do on their smartphones :p15:29
faeniland it's inevitable when there is not much choice, like in Jolla's case15:29
javispedroyeah, but 95% doesn't care when their addressbook gets uploaded to random server without a single confirmation dialog15:29
javispedrowhich is like, 99% of android apps do.15:29
javispedro(and is also allowed on the jolla btw)15:30
javispedroso yeah, I think I am not fine with installing random apps =)15:31
javispedrofirefox allowing udp broadcasts from any random website without any single confirmation "since forever" with webrtc is another of those "WTF"s.15:32
Sfiet_Konstantinjavispedro: allowed from openrepos apps, not really from harbour15:32
faenilI don't deem my addressbook as important as my passwords, personally15:32
Sfiet_Konstantinbecause it's harder to read addressbook without qtcontacts15:33
javispedroSfiet_Konstantin: there seems to be a qtcontacts android address book API bridge15:33
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faenilyeah of course but they *will* be allowed in harbour as well in the future, hopefully15:33
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javispedroin any case, this should be attached to the "security framework" larger topic15:35
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: indeed15:35
* javispedro ponders why no signond process on my jolla15:36
faeniljavispedro, I wanted an update, because if there wasn't any hotfix for this, it means jolla in some way believes it's not important enough15:36
faenilor maybe there's no hotfix because such change requires rewriting 90% of signond15:36
faenilor whatever :p15:36
javispedrothat's what I was trying to investigate..15:36
javispedrobut why no signond process?15:36
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javispedroah, it's started on demand by d-bus, not systemd15:41
Sfiet_Konstantinfaenil: option 2 :)15:43
Sfiet_Konstantinor option 3: there is one dev for the whole signon stuff, and he got busy with other stuff, like contacts15:44
javispedroor it's just silently fixed on next upgrade and no one mentioned it15:45
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javispedroI hate journald.15:47
faenilSfiet_Konstantin, option 3 means jolla doesn't think it's important, so it's not a new point15:50
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attahand if you have time.. please do make a packaged patch for patchmanager16:26
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attahwrong channel xD16:27
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matrixxSfiet_Konstantin: after all I think I need another location for my data after all, seems .local/share/MyDomain/MyApp/ dir is not writable16:34
matrixx-after all16:34
matrixxat least on emulator it always fails to open file with ReadWrite capabilities16:34
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matrixxhmm, though this seems to contradict the fact that I'm quering that location using the writableLocation method.. maybe it's a problem of the emulator16:39
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mikkosssssHello. On N9 I had shortcut to skip 10min wait for security code to activate and instantly lock device when you leave it on table and etc. Is this possible on Sailfish?16:45
mikkosssssHeres code from script "dbus-send --system --type=method_call /com/nokia/mce/request string:locked;dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply /request int32:1 int32:1"16:45
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MSameercoderus: pong16:55
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coderusMSameer: its about editing preset and enabling h264 recorder now16:56
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MSameercoderus: where is the question?16:59
coderusMSameer: i think i can just edit preset which Extensions utilizing16:59
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MSameerI don't understand17:01
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coderuswhich part?17:01
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MSameerwhere is the question? :S17:01
coderusi edited target-bitrate in preset, but it didnt changed17:02
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MSameerdid you restart the your camera?17:02
coderussure :)17:02
MSameerare you sure the preset is being loaded?17:02
coderuscamera not working if this preset not exists17:03
coderusthis is the only i know17:03
MSameerhow do you know that the preset bitrate did not work?17:03
coderusjust file size didnt changed17:05
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MSameerthis needs some debugging17:06
MSameerbut perhaps the best bet is to email the same guy you emailed in the morning17:06
MSameeror email sailfishos devel list17:06
coderusi await his answer in monday because of weekend :)17:06
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coderusi just tried with quicktime codec for now17:10
coderusand whatsapp not accepting it17:11
coderusi thoought if you can try to help me enabling h264 encoder17:11
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MSameercoderus: problem is: I have not tested that part so I have to test it and see17:16
MSameerand I am not going to do that now :/17:16
MSameerfor various reasons17:17
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MSameercoderus: so either email the guy or the mailing list. I am sorry but I can't help here17:29
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coderusalready emailed as i said17:32
coderusjust weekend, i'm awaiting for answer in the next week :)17:33
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tortoisedocwhat is the difference between a shellsurface and a "normal" surface? (wayland surface)?19:06
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tortoisedocthanks javispedro19:07
javispedroyou may think of "surface" as the generic base class and "shell surface" as a subclass that is ~ a "normal" window19:07
tortoisedocI assume therefore the control of this "shell surface " is then delegated to the QWindow object=19:09
tortoisedoc(which in turn is then exposed to qt declarative as well)19:09
javispedroI don't about the qt5 details, but I'd imagine so.19:12
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tortoisedoci love debugging on device via wlan19:25
tortoisedocit sucked 4$$ on n919:25
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MSameerfaenil: ready to try? ;)19:28
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tortoisedocis it me19:47
tortoisedocor has there been a change in organizing sdk uploads?19:47
tortoisedoci.e. now my files are deployed to /opt/sdk19:48
tortoisedocinstead of "normal" /19:48
MSameerjake9xx: ^^^19:50
MSameeror kaltsi ^^^19:50
MSameertortoisedoc: I personally don't know but feel free to hunt for the 2 sailors I have just highlighted ;)19:51
tortoisedocthanks MSameer, it's always the same two ;)19:51
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MSameerbut I assume you get answers?19:52
tortoisedocyes, when I overcome my asking lazyness :)19:52
tortoisedocusually they answer19:52
MSameerjust account for the weekend please19:53
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tortoisedocyes, in best delays19:57
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Nc_strange question: is there a way to set a slider's value, without triggering onSliderValueChanged ?20:00
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tortoisedocopacity set to 0 on-device results in a fully white window :/20:09
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tortoisedocis that known?20:11
phdeswertortoisedoc: kind of sounds expected given my past experiences with that kind of things.20:12
tortoisedocphdeswer : define expected?20:12
tortoisedocyeah, confirmed. Simple window with opacity set to 0.0 in qml renders pure white20:13
phdeswerafaik that is how opacity works.20:13
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tortoisedocphdeswer : opacity set to 0.0 -> window goes to white (maximum color values) is expected?20:15
tortoisedocmakese sense *if* default background color is white20:16
MSameeropacity 0 = transparent20:16
MSameerso if what you have underneath it is white then you get white20:16
tortoisedocassume I have nothing underneath20:17
MSameerthen i don't know :D20:17
MSameerbut why do you need to do that?20:18
MSameerare you trying to create a transparent window?20:18
tortoisedocMSameer : yes20:18
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tortoisedochave been partially successful with it20:19
MSameeri don't think that's the way20:20
tortoisedocany suggestion is welcomed :)20:20
MSameeri guess it needs to happen via wayland20:20
MSameerbut why are you trying to make a transparent window?20:20
tortoisedocjust experimenting :)20:20
tortoisedochow can I make it happen via wayland?20:20
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tortoisedocassuming it is possible at all, that is20:21
tortoisedoci've been wondering on this issue for quite a while now :|20:22
MSameeri am not a wl expert20:22
MSameerbut a quick search revealed that you need to pass buffers with an alpha value20:22
tortoisedocpass buffers from where to where?20:23
MSameeran idea would be to render in the qt window background yourself20:23
MSameeri.e. draw the background via gl and set an alpha channel somehow20:23
MSameerlet me dig more20:24
tortoisedocah I see20:24
tortoisedocis that doable? I mean, overriding window rendering?20:24
tortoisedocthat would be awesome20:24
MSameercheck the 2nd answer20:25
MSameer1st answer20:25
MSameeri am not sure it will work but trying does not hurt20:26
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MSameertortoisedoc: ^^^20:27
tortoisedocfirst of all thanks alot for the amazing support :)20:27
tortoisedocsecond, I will try this right now20:27
tortoisedocrequires more wine first tho :)20:27
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tortoisedocthis works20:31
MSameeri have my n950 connected now for development. otherwise I'd have tried it myself20:31
MSameertortoisedoc: :)20:31
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tortoisedocI assume the clearbeforerendering flushes the buffer to some color with alpha20:32
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tortoisedocthanks MSameer!20:34
MSameerI am sure the docs have a blurb for clear before rendering20:34
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MSameerbut I personally don't know20:34
MSameertortoisedoc: my pleasure. enjoy :-)20:35
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tortoisedocfollowing this example20:44
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tortoisedoccalling setRenderableType gives alot of QOpenGL errors (shaders etc)20:44
MSameer /system/bin/logcat (as root) as your friend20:46
kaltsitortoisedoc: it's always been /opt/sdk for rsync deploy.. if you build and deploy an RPM then it gets installed to /20:47
tortoisedockaltsi: thanks!20:48
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marxistveganhey folks, new Nokia N9 running sailfish here...some quirks I am trying to fix, anyone around? namely with the jolla store installs all stuck in "waiting" even after changing /etc/ssu/ssu.ini as instructed on
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faenilMSameer, sorry I had to leave for the evening, I'll be available  tomorrow late afternoon, hopefully :)23:12
MSameerno worries23:12
MSameerby that time perhaps I will have added zsl mode :p23:12
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louisdkmarxistvegan, this might be late for European people. You could try in ~7 hours or more.23:24
marxistveganlouisdk: valid point23:24
* marxistvegan is in mexico city23:24
louisdkmarxistvegan, just saying. I would be boring to waste hours for an answer :)23:25
marxistveganlouisdk: it is more passive at this point I will hit up again in the morning23:26
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