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| uvatvmw | To all the Sailors here: Thank you for everything you're doing. I don't think its being said enough: Thank you. I wouldn't go so far as to tell you to ignore the poisonous thread, but I'd definitely ask you to remember that there are a large number of non-vocal supporters happy with you. | 02:21 |
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| Nicd- | uvatvmw: +1 | 05:09 |
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| jake9xx | uvatvmw: Nicd- (plus others) tnx. | 06:07 |
| jake9xx | uvatvmw: no , but the build tool is non-jolla specific (to some extent) to make such thing fly you'd need to tweak that quite a bit but -- good news is that everything is available in repos etc.. | 06:09 |
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| matrixx | can someone tell which info the sdk installer uses on windows to find out if virtualbox is installed or not? | 06:48 |
| matrixx | I tried manually adding it to the path, rebooted, but no help, it doesn't find it :( | 06:48 |
| matrixx | I also tried to run installer while virtualbox was running, but it still didn't recognize it's installed | 06:50 |
| Stskeeps | 32 or 64 bit? | 06:50 |
| matrixx | 64 | 06:50 |
| Stskeeps | jake9xx: anything you can recognise? | 06:50 |
| matrixx | Stskeeps: this is on win8, I know it's not fully tested, but I guess there could still be some pointers for me | 06:51 |
| matrixx | and even more weird is that my other laptop also having 64-bit win8 did not have any problems detecting | 06:52 |
| matrixx | mysterious are these windows's | 06:52 |
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| Armadillo | good morning | 07:02 |
| Stskeeps | good morning Armadillo | 07:02 |
| Armadillo | ist there any basic approach for escaping sql special characters for local storage queries? | 07:03 |
| Nicd- | use prepared queries | 07:03 |
| Nicd- | like this: https://bitbucket.org/Nicd/sailtime/src/1bfce5e599831f5b2718b27537519472b906f4dc/qml/js/storage.js?at=master#cl-25 | 07:04 |
| Armadillo | thanks :) | 07:05 |
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| jake9xx | matrixx: it uses the VBox's registry settings | 07:12 |
| matrixx | jake9xx: anything specifig I should look for from registry? | 07:13 |
| matrixx | *specific | 07:14 |
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| jake9xx | yes, hold on a sec | 07:16 |
| jake9xx | ok, the key is: | 07:17 |
| jake9xx | HKLM\\SOFTWARE\\Oracle\\VirtualBox | 07:17 |
| jake9xx | and inside that the token you're looking is InstallDir | 07:18 |
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| matrixx | jake9xx: it's there, set | 07:20 |
| jake9xx | ok.. hmm | 07:21 |
| jake9xx | let me think about this after I throw my kids to backyard | 07:21 |
| matrixx | jake9xx: no hurry, I have the installation on my other laptop which I can use this weekend if this doesn't solve :) | 07:22 |
| matrixx | we are having the Tuska Camp, where we make software for Tuska Festival and I got the honer to do the sailfish version ;) | 07:23 |
| kimmoli_sailing | oo | 07:24 |
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| jake9xx | matrixx: ok ,that gives good motivator to help you :) (metal fan) | 07:43 |
| jake9xx | matrixx: ok, so which win8 do you have? | 07:44 |
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| jake9xx | disclaimer: I don't have any deep knowledge of win8. Tried it once as dualboot but that killed my win7 partition from my asus although installer said "all your previous stuff stays intact" | 07:46 |
| matrixx | jake9xx: I don't like this either, but company laptop and haven't had time to install our official Tubuntu distro yet ;) | 07:46 |
| matrixx | jake9xx: it's 64bit win 8.1 | 07:47 |
| matrixx | actually I pretty much hate win8, had only negative experiences with it | 07:47 |
| jake9xx | Tubuntu? ok.. so. You have VirtualBox installed right? | 07:47 |
| matrixx | yeah :) | 07:47 |
| jake9xx | you can start 'Virtualbox' ui from start menu | 07:47 |
| jake9xx | (does it have any..?) | 07:48 |
| matrixx | already have it running :) | 07:48 |
| jake9xx | ok, shut it down | 07:48 |
| jake9xx | please | 07:48 |
| matrixx | heh, ok | 07:48 |
| jake9xx | then open 'environmental settings' or what ever that thing is | 07:48 |
| jake9xx | environment? | 07:48 |
| Nicd- | tubuntu? http://tubuntu.webs.com/ :d | 07:48 |
| Nicd- | *:D | 07:48 |
| matrixx | done | 07:49 |
| jake9xx | I'd like pubuntu, peelo-ubuntu | 07:49 |
| jake9xx | ok, now you make a SYSTEM wide environment variable called 'VBOX_INSTALL_PATH' | 07:49 |
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| jake9xx | to that you put the path where VBoxManage.exe is found, you can see it from command prompt | 07:49 |
| jake9xx | cd \ | 07:49 |
| jake9xx | dir /s /b VirtualBox.exe | 07:49 |
| matrixx | Nicd-: not the same tubuntu :D | 07:49 |
| jake9xx | no | 07:50 |
| jake9xx | VBoxManage.exe | 07:50 |
| jake9xx | heh | 07:50 |
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| matrixx | jake9xx: ok, just a moment | 07:50 |
| matrixx | jake9xx: haha, there actually is one, but it's called VBOX_MSI_INSTALL_PATH | 07:51 |
| matrixx | maybe that's the issue | 07:51 |
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| jake9xx | yes | 07:52 |
| jake9xx | is that using the same path for VBoxManage.exe ? | 07:52 |
| matrixx | they are all in the same dir | 07:53 |
| matrixx | hehey, now it works :) | 07:53 |
| matrixx | jake9xx: thanks! | 07:53 |
| matrixx | hmm, might be that this is a difference between win8 and win8.1, that the env var name has changed | 07:54 |
| matrixx | because I had win8.0 on my other laptop which installed fine | 07:54 |
| matrixx | I can actually check that, I have my other laptop with me as well | 07:55 |
| jake9xx | matrixx: thanks. I'll put this into our Queue for Win8.1 | 07:56 |
| matrixx | jake9xx: great if I could be as help :) | 07:56 |
| jake9xx | matrixx: you sure would. If I arrive at Tuska, how can I find you ? ;) | 07:56 |
| jake9xx | matrixx: there's a chance for friday. I'll be racing at Alastaro on sat and sun though | 07:57 |
| matrixx | jake9xx: we don't probably have our Tieto stand there, but I'm probably in the VIP beer tent :D | 07:57 |
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| matrixx | jake9xx: I also might have my "Tieto Lisää Tuskaa" t-shirt on, easy to spot ;) | 07:58 |
| jake9xx | is it black? | 07:59 |
| matrixx | ofc ;) | 08:00 |
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| jake9xx | there's good stuff on friday, might as well come | 08:03 |
| jake9xx | unless we cannot set up the car for saturdayt | 08:03 |
| jake9xx | but - another story. So, all good onw? | 08:04 |
| jake9xx | now? | 08:04 |
| matrixx | jake9xx: all good, with quick googling I found out that it's oracle who chanced the env var name, starting from version 4.3.12 | 08:04 |
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| matrixx | jake9xx: so it's a problem now for all new installations :/ | 08:05 |
| jake9xx | ok. darn. we'll bundle that in asap | 08:05 |
| matrixx | these are the reasons why it's great to have agile company :) | 08:06 |
| jake9xx | matrixx: c'mon. shouldn't we have a change process, senior change process manager, and head of change processes who ultimately reads emails (from his team) every thursday. Then we'd have a release process manager, error process manager and alike | 08:07 |
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| matrixx | haha :D | 08:07 |
| jake9xx | oneliner in installer script -> 3wk's of work for 30 people. Yeah! | 08:07 |
| matrixx | ofc :D | 08:07 |
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| SK_work | hi guys :) | 08:18 |
| jake9xx | whaddup? | 08:18 |
| SK_work | reading backlog from 9:59 | 08:19 |
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| SK_work | jake9xx: so, is there a release at some point ? | 08:19 |
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| jake9xx | SDK ? | 08:19 |
| SK_work | jake9xx: yep | 08:19 |
| jake9xx | yes, after u7 release yes | 08:19 |
| SK_work | jake9xx: and do you have news about harbour stats ? | 08:19 |
| jake9xx | we're chained now to jolla release train | 08:19 |
| SK_work | jake9xx: cool :) | 08:19 |
| SK_work | jake9xx: this sounds awesome | 08:19 |
| SK_work | perfect :) | 08:19 |
| jake9xx | bouncing around behind it but holding tight | 08:19 |
| jake9xx | SK_work: that's the idea. Also we try to creeep out of Alpha badge but that needs big work.. | 08:20 |
| SK_work | jake9xx: cool | 08:20 |
| SK_work | good news from SDK front then | 08:21 |
| SK_work | thx <3 | 08:21 |
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| jake9xx | SK_work: for harbour, there are other dudes, I'm too busy to touch that topic too | 08:26 |
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| SK_work | jake9xx: np, don't blame you :) | 08:27 |
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| ziggy42 | OOOH finally, I really really really want harbour stats :D | 08:38 |
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| Waitee | oh man | 08:52 |
| Waitee | mitäkuuluu is crashing randomly :P | 08:53 |
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| SK_work | Waitee: mitäkuuluu is huge | 08:56 |
| SK_work | it is quite likely to have bugs | 08:56 |
| coderus | you mean crashing server? | 08:56 |
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| Waitee | okay it goes like this: | 08:57 |
| Waitee | 1: i notice there hasnt been any messages for an hour | 08:57 |
| Waitee | 2: i disconnect and reconnect mitäkuuluu | 08:57 |
| Waitee | 3: 150 new messages | 08:57 |
| Waitee | 4: jolla blinking green light and black screen | 08:57 |
| coderus | i still have some problems in fast removing socket when connection destroyed/switched | 08:57 |
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| TheBootroo_work | jake9xx: hi ! | 08:58 |
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| TheBootroo_work | what line should i add in /etc/hosts ? i did it yesterday on own PC, worked fine, i want to fo it too here at office | 08:58 |
| coderus | 23:48 < jake9xx> add 127.0.0.01 SailfishSDK to /etc/hosts in your host pc | 08:59 |
| squidd | Waitee: I have that too | 08:59 |
| TheBootroo_work | coderus: thanks !! | 08:59 |
| Waitee | i know the connection dropping is a sailfish feature | 09:00 |
| squidd | but that only seems to happen to me on wlan | 09:00 |
| squidd | on 3g I have no problems with mitakuuluu | 09:01 |
| Waitee | im rarely on wlan with jolla | 09:01 |
| squidd | always on wlan when I'm home | 09:01 |
| TheBootroo_work | coderus: well, the trick didn't work at office | 09:03 |
| coderus | Waitee: so your problem is application doesnt respond after getting too much offline messages? | 09:03 |
| TheBootroo_work | i still can't deploy here | 09:03 |
| coderus | TheBootroo_work: same error or another? | 09:03 |
| Waitee | coderus: apparently yea | 09:03 |
| TheBootroo_work | coderus: Project ERROR: Could not connect to MerSDK Virtual Machine. Timeout waiting for reply from server. | 09:03 |
| SK_work | TheBootroo_work: can you SSH into your Mer virtual machine SDK ? | 09:04 |
| TheBootroo_work | i tried also the VM manage NAT dns resolver trick | 09:04 |
| SK_work | TheBootroo_work: you might be able to increase timeout | 09:04 |
| TheBootroo_work | SK_work: yeah i can login | 09:04 |
| Waitee | could i write a script or something to automatically disconnect/reconnect once per hour or something? | 09:04 |
| SK_work | TheBootroo_work: IIRC in settings > Mer you can increase timeout | 09:04 |
| SK_work | tried ? | 09:04 |
| TheBootroo_work | SK_work: anyway, the SDK never worked at office | 09:04 |
| TheBootroo_work | SK_work: this param is ignored simply | 09:05 |
| SK_work | TheBootroo_work: anyway, you are not supposed to install SDK at office :P | 09:05 |
| SK_work | TheBootroo_work: :( | 09:05 |
| SK_work | ok | 09:05 |
| TheBootroo_work | SK_work: why not ? | 09:05 |
| coderus | Waitee: i can probably ignoge offline messages notifications and show only single notification "%n offline messages received" | 09:05 |
| SK_work | TheBootroo_work: hey, tried installing a linux box inside vbox and install sfsdk inside ? | 09:05 |
| SK_work | :D | 09:05 |
| SK_work | coderus: could be better | 09:05 |
| TheBootroo_work | SK_work: i'm already on linux | 09:05 |
| TheBootroo_work | i never use windows | 09:05 |
| SK_work | TheBootroo_work: at work ? | 09:05 |
| SK_work | you lucky | 09:05 |
| TheBootroo_work | yep | 09:05 |
| SK_work | TheBootroo_work: then linuxception please | 09:06 |
| SK_work | vbox on host linux | 09:06 |
| TheBootroo_work | lucky ? ubuntu 13.04 | 09:06 |
| SK_work | then vbox in client linux | 09:06 |
| SK_work | with mer sdk | 09:06 |
| SK_work | TheBootroo_work: hey, Win7 here, 0 | 09:06 |
| SK_work | 0 shell | 09:06 |
| SK_work | 0 useful tools (grep / git) | 09:06 |
| TheBootroo_work | hehe | 09:06 |
| SK_work | (well, there is cygwin so actually I'm not that sad) | 09:07 |
| Nicd- | ubuntu 14.04 here (at work) | 09:07 |
| TheBootroo_work | SK_work: IIRC, if you install git for windows, you get also grep, sed, find and a real terminal | 09:07 |
| jake9xx | TheBootroo_work: coderus tnx. I was out putting engine covers on my 928 - last night's debugging worked. She screams again :) | 09:08 |
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| SK_work | TheBootroo_work: I installed a nice cygwin instance | 09:08 |
| jake9xx | SK_work: if you run Windows , consider installing MobaXTerm. If gives you chance to run 'unix' inside Windows | 09:08 |
| TheBootroo_work | seems that Ubuntu + corporate proxy + MerSDK + Emulator = EPIC FAIL | 09:09 |
| SK_work | and mobaxterm that comes with ANOTHER cygwin instance | 09:09 |
| SK_work | and git that comes with YET ANOTHER cygwin instance | 09:09 |
| jake9xx | SK_work: no, mobaXterm has git plugin | 09:09 |
| jake9xx | see here: | 09:09 |
| SK_work | jake9xx: yep but at first, I had 3 cygwin instances, now only 2 | 09:09 |
| jake9xx | http://mobaxterm.mobatek.net/plugins.html | 09:09 |
| SK_work | and 2 incompatibles ones | 09:09 |
| jake9xx | lose the std. cygwin. There's absolutely no need for it | 09:09 |
| SK_work | jake9xx: mobaxterm is fairly good, but sometimes it's a bit shit | 09:09 |
| SK_work | jake9xx: when you need python, the one shipped in mobaxterm is limited | 09:10 |
| jake9xx | SK_work: due to various reasons I don't do python much anymore ;) | 09:10 |
| jake9xx | besides, on my Windows machine I do mostly only Android development | 09:10 |
| SK_work | jake9xx: why on windows ? | 09:11 |
| TheBootroo_work | omg | 09:11 |
| TheBootroo_work | i could deploy | 09:11 |
| SK_work | TheBootroo_work: you are lucky | 09:11 |
| TheBootroo_work | by turning off the NAT Dns Resolver trick in both VM, and simply adding the line in hosts file | 09:11 |
| TheBootroo_work | but now, weird issue | 09:11 |
| TheBootroo_work | lemme explain : | 09:11 |
| TheBootroo_work | i have corporate HTTP proxy, with host/port, no password auth | 09:12 |
| TheBootroo_work | if i run the Qt code with GET request in it on the PC, it works, i get reply, if i try in Emulator i get no reply but also no error ! | 09:12 |
| TheBootroo_work | weird O.o | 09:12 |
| SK_work | TheBootroo_work: :/ | 09:13 |
| SK_work | ssh into emulator and try curl some stuff ? | 09:13 |
| SK_work | at least it would help debugging | 09:13 |
| TheBootroo_work | SK_work: well, curl works | 09:14 |
| TheBootroo_work | if i pass proxy config, and if i don't, i got at least errors | 09:14 |
| TheBootroo_work | on my program, i got no reply and no error | 09:14 |
| SK_work | TheBootroo_work: you might need to configure the emulator proxy ? | 09:14 |
| TheBootroo_work | and whether i set proxy or not doesn't change anything | 09:15 |
| SK_work | TheBootroo_work: don't know how to do this though | 09:15 |
| TheBootroo_work | i have proxy settings in my Qt app | 09:15 |
| SK_work | and don't know if Qt recognizes proxies | 09:15 |
| SK_work | TheBootroo_work: ah :/ | 09:15 |
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| TheBootroo_work | i set it manually | 09:15 |
| TheBootroo_work | because auto detect doesn't work anyway | 09:15 |
| TheBootroo_work | once again, exact same code on PC give reply if proxy set, error if not set | 09:15 |
| TheBootroo_work | logical, and expected result | 09:16 |
| TheBootroo_work | 7 years of Qt dev, first time i see a QNetworkReply emitting no signal at all >;< | 09:16 |
| TheBootroo_work | btw, same code works on device | 09:17 |
| TheBootroo_work | only emulator fails | 09:17 |
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| jake9xx | SK_work: 1)it's my ASUS UX32VD 2)it's my most powerful machine with decent gfx adapter 3)it's my only "pc" at home | 09:20 |
| Nc_ | small QML question: What is the earliest an app can push() a page onto the pagestack? am trying to do it on my initial page's onComplete(), which seems to be too early :( | 09:21 |
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| jake9xx | yes, there are linux trials to run on UX32VD but nothing that works like I want it to be. And I don't want to spend time on google for various linux tricks. I like to use stuff when I work. | 09:21 |
| SK_work | Nc_: what do you get ? | 09:21 |
| SK_work | Nc_: you can push pages without animations, if it's the case, there is no timing limit | 09:21 |
| TheBootroo_work | jake9xx: i have ASUS UX31A R4003C | 09:21 |
| jake9xx | Nc_: when that page's componet.oncompleted has been fired | 09:22 |
| TheBootroo_work | what a beast ! | 09:22 |
| TheBootroo_work | rocks the hell with ArchLinux | 09:22 |
| jake9xx | TheBootroo_work: ok ,might consider that. I swapped the drive to SSD and boosted memory banks to maximum with some fancy-ass kingston chips | 09:22 |
| jake9xx | I actually have one spare 70G partition for 'linux trials' but trust me, I cannot find time to do it | 09:23 |
| jake9xx | I might consult you in the future ;) | 09:23 |
| Nc_ | SK_work, getting "Error: Cannot push while operation is in progress: push" | 09:23 |
| Nc_ | but can try without animation :) | 09:23 |
| TheBootroo_work | jake9xx: IIRC UX32 as nvidia graphics | 09:23 |
| TheBootroo_work | jake9xx: mine is full Intel, that's why it works fine | 09:23 |
| TheBootroo_work | no GFX adapter issue | 09:23 |
| jake9xx | yes, that's one issue | 09:24 |
| jake9xx | then there were something with bt or something. Don't recall | 09:24 |
| TheBootroo_work | jake9xx: maybe, i don't use BT on laptop anyway | 09:24 |
| SK_work | Nc_: nope, you shouldn't push (even without animation) if the opêration push is in progress | 09:24 |
| SK_work | Nc_: show some code | 09:24 |
| jake9xx | but, gotta say. ASUS <3 | 09:24 |
| Nc_ | show some code? Erhm, is pretty basic currently ... 2 sec | 09:25 |
| SK_work | Nc_: basic code is still code :) | 09:25 |
| Nc_ | in the main qml, am doing: initialPage: Component { FirstPage { } } | 09:26 |
| Nc_ | in the FirstPage: | 09:26 |
| Nc_ | Component.onCompleted: | 09:26 |
| Nc_ | { | 09:26 |
| Nc_ | pageStack.push(Qt.resolvedUrl("BulbListPage.qml"), { /*py: py*/}) | 09:26 |
| Nc_ | } | 09:26 |
| Nicd- | Nc_: use a pastebin / gist | 09:26 |
| Nc_ | hoped 4 lines was acceptable, but sure - will use pastebin in the future | 09:27 |
| TheBootroo_work | my request having no reply sounds once again like a DNS resolving issue | 09:27 |
| Nicd- | Nc_: I was just anticipating there would be more coming :) | 09:27 |
| Nicd- | as there usually is | 09:27 |
| Nc_ | :) .. yeah, this is REALLY basic XD | 09:27 |
| SK_work | Nicd-: use pastebin, or paste.kde.org etc. | 09:27 |
| TheBootroo_work | Nc_: actually you could have minified the code to 1 single line | 09:27 |
| Nc_ | ya | 09:28 |
| SK_work | Nc_: you need to watch the end of the FirstPage pushing | 09:28 |
| SK_work | Nc_: https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-page.html#status-prop | 09:28 |
| Nc_ | so onComplete is before the page is actually pushed to the front :( | 09:28 |
| SK_work | like onStatusChanged: if (status == PageStatus.Active) { push stuff } | 09:29 |
| Nc_ | makes sense, yes | 09:29 |
| Nc_ | Seems to work, cheers :) (now to add code to keep it from looping between the 2 pages, but that's at least trivial) | 09:32 |
| SK_work | Nc_: what do you mean | 09:32 |
| SK_work | what are you trying to do ? | 09:32 |
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| SK_work | Nc_: maybe you are searching for pushAttached (that allows an attached page= | 09:33 |
| ziggy42 | is there a way to add something to the emulator? I would like to have the store but ok that's must be impossible. However, it would be cool to have a terminal on it | 09:33 |
| SK_work | ziggy42: ever tried sshing into it ? | 09:37 |
| Nc_ | SK_work, it is looping, because when I leave the pushed page, the parent becomes active, and pushes the 2nd page immediately :) | 09:38 |
| ziggy42 | SK_work: nope :D I should try... | 09:38 |
| SK_work | Nc_: ah | 09:38 |
| Nc_ | am working on forcing a settings-page on app-start, since the app has now way of having a sane state on start-up :) | 09:38 |
| SK_work | Nc_: what are you trying to do ? | 09:38 |
| SK_work | Nc_: then you shouldn't use initialPage | 09:39 |
| SK_work | or use it with condition | 09:39 |
| SK_work | pushing a second page on top of the first might not be the best idea | 09:39 |
| SK_work | Nc_: https://github.com/SfietKonstantin/friends-sailfish/blob/master/src/qml/friends.qml#L114 | 09:40 |
| SK_work | stuff like this to push 2 different pages | 09:40 |
| SK_work | here I push the login page if the user is not logged in | 09:40 |
| faenil | o/ | 09:40 |
| SK_work | faenil: o/ | 09:41 |
| Nc_ | yeah, was pondering something similar, but as the 2nd page is also relevant during regular use (selecting which lightbulbs to work with), I prefer the experience of entering and leaving it stays the same no matter whether it is on app-start or during usage | 09:42 |
| Nc_ | Eventually, might figure out a good way to have a semi-sane state on start-up, in which case I can make the initial push() optional | 09:42 |
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| SK_work | Nc_: then you could still push it afterwards :) | 09:43 |
| SK_work | Nc_: IMO, you should use push attached then | 09:44 |
| SK_work | and have an empty state page (in the first one) that says: hey, swipe right to access settings, nothing's configured | 09:44 |
| SK_work | Nc_: what do you think ? | 09:44 |
| Nc_ | Could work - will definitely try it out | 09:44 |
| Nicd- | SK_work: how do you keep the "panel" on the right side all the time in your app? do you just re-push it every time the page is changed? | 09:45 |
| Nc_ | Should do another review of the iOS version - see how that behaves (even if I'm only peripherally following it) | 09:45 |
| SK_work | Nicd-: read the code, it's a horrible trick :D | 09:45 |
| SK_work | what i do is: perform a clear of the stack (without animation), push the correct page (without animation), push the attached menu (without animation), move to the attached menu (without animation), and go back (with animation) | 09:46 |
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| SK_work | Nc_: maybe you shouldn't, feel free to design something yourself,w ith sailfish components | 09:47 |
| SK_work | they are different, have weakness and also strengths | 09:47 |
| SK_work | the attached page is something you don't usuially find | 09:47 |
| Nc_ | oh, SK_work, I'm definitely not following the iOS version particularly close XD Am trying to do it 1) as simple as possible and 2) as "sailfish'ish" as I can figure out | 09:48 |
| Nicd- | SK_work: ok, thanks for the explanation | 09:48 |
| SK_work | Nicd-: want to do the same ? | 09:48 |
| SK_work | Nicd-: it's horrible, but works :) | 09:48 |
| Nicd- | wonder if there's a way to make a "carousel" of pages like flipping through images in the gallery | 09:48 |
| SK_work | Nc_: mind telling what app are you working on ? | 09:49 |
| SK_work | Nicd-: :D | 09:49 |
| Nicd- | SK_work: I don't know yet, I haven't planned my UI much | 09:49 |
| SK_work | Nicd-: would say, easy with my trick | 09:49 |
| Nicd- | it would be nice to be able to flip through channel windows in an IRC client | 09:49 |
| SK_work | 3 pages: when you enter in the next page relayout it without animation :D | 09:49 |
| Nicd- | in a carousel style | 09:49 |
| Nc_ | is an unofficial LIFX app, using an unofficial python-api | 09:49 |
| SK_work | Nicd-: better use the caroussel component from gallery then | 09:49 |
| SK_work | Nc_: ie, SlideShowView | 09:50 |
| SK_work | Nc_: LIFX ? | 09:50 |
| Nc_ | http://www.lifx.co/ | 09:50 |
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| SK_work | Nicd-: https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-slideshowview.html | 09:50 |
| Nicd- | SK_work: I'll note that down, thanks | 09:50 |
| SK_work | Nc_: cute | 09:50 |
| Nc_ | :) | 09:51 |
| SK_work | Nc_: IMO a nice design is: main page (ie the one shown when app opened) shows a given bulb, while attached page show list of bulbs, with menus to add new bulbs and remove | 09:51 |
| Nc_ | pretty close to how I did it | 09:51 |
| SK_work | if no bulb configured, use a https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-viewplaceholder.html to indicate that you should swipe right to add bubls | 09:51 |
| Nc_ | main page shows basic controls, pull-down menu for selecting bulbs (and later group of bulbs) | 09:51 |
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| SK_work | Nc_: no need for pulldown, use attached pages | 09:52 |
| SK_work | (cf email app, where inboxes are accessible from attached page too) | 09:52 |
| Nc_ | cannot attach multiple pages, and there are multiple ways of selecting bulbs | 09:52 |
| SK_work | Nc_: what kind of ways ? | 09:52 |
| SK_work | you might want to select one bulb most of the time ? | 09:52 |
| SK_work | can't the page of bulbs have more advanced ui, like checkboxes to define group ? | 09:52 |
| Nc_ | individual bulbs (current), groups of bulbs (later) | 09:53 |
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| SK_work | Nc_: honestly, for individual bulbs, go for an attached page | 09:54 |
| Nc_ | might later add "scenes" of bulbs too ... but that depends on how these are stored (local or on the network) | 09:54 |
| Nc_ | yeah, will review - need to figure out then, later, if people are more likely to go to the individual bulbs or groups, but that'll be trivial to change | 09:55 |
| ziggy42 | I've never used SSH. I'm trying as written on the develop-faq page: "ssh -p 2223 nemo@localhost". I'm getting "The authenticity of host '[localhost]:2223 ([127.0.0.1]:2223)' can't be established. RSA key fingerprint is blablabla. Are you sure u want to continue?" is it normal? :D | 09:58 |
| Nicd- | yes | 09:58 |
| ziggy42 | Nicd: thanks | 09:59 |
| Nicd- | it means you have never connected to it before and it asks if you think it's trustworthy | 09:59 |
| Nicd- | you're supposed to verify it's the host you think it is by using the fingerprint but since you're connecting to localhost it doesn't matter | 09:59 |
| ziggy42 | ok thank you :) | 10:05 |
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| ziggy42 | Why if I install sailfish-browser in the emulator I don't get the icon? | 10:17 |
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| Wnt | I think it's a pretty strange decision to not allow Python applications on the Jolla appstore for only the reason that device still running update 1-3 would have couple of applications in the store that are broken | 10:26 |
| SK_work | Wnt: well, it's all about user experience | 10:27 |
| Wnt | How many users are still runnin those old updates? Do those users even have an interest in installing applications if they dont even bother to update their OS version to get more features to theri phone? | 10:27 |
| SK_work | and not allowuing pyton apps now don't mean not allowing ever | 10:28 |
| Wnt | now the highly guarded user experience means that users who want more applications need to resort to openrepos | 10:28 |
| Wnt | and the developers who publish their applications there might even lose interest in to publishing their applications via harbour | 10:29 |
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| ziggy42 | seems that all applications I install in the emulator come without icon. Is this normal? | 10:39 |
| Wnt | ziggy42: how do you install the applications? I remember that when deploying an application I was developing to the emulator or to the phone I had to choose deploy as install RPM package or something similar to get an icon | 10:44 |
| ziggy42 | Wnt: yes, with mine applications the icon work. I'm installing some apps (browser and terminal) with "pkcon install app" | 10:47 |
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| saber_ | Hello | 11:20 |
| SK_work | hi saber_ | 11:22 |
| saber_ | I want to know... | 11:23 |
| saber_ | How to make a auto-start app in sailfish OS ? | 11:23 |
| saber_ | :) | 11:23 |
| SK_work | saber_: what do you mean autostart ? | 11:23 |
| SK_work | a daemon ? | 11:23 |
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| SK_work | saber_: what do you want to do ?* | 11:24 |
| saber_ | it starts when the phone boot up | 11:24 |
| saber_ | * when the system is loaded and ready | 11:25 |
| saber_ | like *start-up program in windows | 11:25 |
| SK_work | saber_: ah, so an application that actually shows something | 11:26 |
| SK_work | do you want to write an app | 11:26 |
| SK_work | or just start some stock apps ? | 11:26 |
| saber_ | write an app | 11:27 |
| SK_work | saber_: what kind ? | 11:28 |
| saber_ | some kinds of advertisement phone blocker | 11:28 |
| SK_work | saber_: then I guess you want a daemon | 11:28 |
| SK_work | you need to make systemd start it | 11:28 |
| saber_ | Ops ! | 11:28 |
| saber_ | yup | 11:29 |
| saber_ | I think i know this | 11:29 |
| SK_work | https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/blob/master/server/systemd/harbour-mitakuuluu2.service | 11:29 |
| saber_ | many system based application like input method, battery manager is loaded by this ? | 11:29 |
| SK_work | saber_: this can help you | 11:29 |
| saber_ | Thz !!!! | 11:29 |
| SK_work | it's the "init" | 11:29 |
| SK_work | it starts everything | 11:29 |
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| SK_work | coderus use it to start mtakuuluu's daemon | 11:30 |
| SK_work | to receive messages | 11:30 |
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| saber_ | Yes | 11:32 |
| saber_ | another question lol | 11:32 |
| saber_ | https://github.com/arthurartoria/jolla-quick-im | 11:33 |
| saber_ | here is the chinese input method modified from Behold Japanese input method | 11:33 |
| saber_ | Everything typing function works fine now but the copy function is missing | 11:34 |
| SK_work | saber_: and ? | 11:34 |
| saber_ | I cannot figure it why the default system copy & paste handler is missing in my keyboard lol\ | 11:34 |
| SK_work | saber_: I don't know either | 11:35 |
| BeholdMyGlory | The input handler has to explicitly include a copy & paste QML item | 11:35 |
| saber_ | Behold 0 v 0 | 11:35 |
| SK_work | saber_: ask the dev | 11:36 |
| SK_work | who modified this | 11:36 |
| saber_ | include a copy & paste QML item ? | 11:36 |
| SK_work | the code you sent ? | 11:36 |
| saber_ | https://github.com/arthurartoria/jolla-quick-im <--- here is my modified version | 11:36 |
| BeholdMyGlory | https://github.com/BeholdMyGlory/jolla-anthy-jp/commit/28ab490bc2450329f105b1950d19c8d288d7bef3 This modification added copy & paste support to my Japanese input method | 11:36 |
| saber_ | from Behold Japanese source | 11:37 |
| saber_ | OK | 11:37 |
| saber_ | Thz So Much @Behold | 11:37 |
| saber_ | i am a noob :( | 11:37 |
| SK_work | saber_: and think about packaging it :) | 11:37 |
| Nicd- | hmm... looking at that repo, would it be possible to implement a custom keyboard layout for an app? | 11:37 |
| SK_work | Nicd-: hum ... don't think so | 11:37 |
| BeholdMyGlory | saber_: Are you arthurartoria on github? If you're the one behind that input method, also take a look at this change: https://github.com/BeholdMyGlory/jolla-anthy-jp/commit/a4b6295dc127b660c682573ccc8ae22e726e9fd3 | 11:38 |
| Nicd- | SK_work: ok, have to do it in a different way | 11:38 |
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| SK_work | Nicd-: what do you want to do ? | 11:38 |
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| saber_ | Yes I am arthurartoria on github | 11:38 |
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| saber_ | @Behold I just put all the handler.js into the .qml file / . \ | 11:39 |
| Nicd- | SK_work: in my IRC app I would like a tab key and a '/' key for example. but I'll probably add a custom row on top of the keyboard | 11:40 |
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| saber_ | I am a noob | 11:40 |
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| saber_ | @Behold | 11:48 |
| BeholdMyGlory | Hm? | 11:49 |
| saber_ | Anthy is the database of japanese input method ? | 11:49 |
| saber_ | it is .sqlite ?? | 11:49 |
| Nicd- | that would be a great java annotation. @Behold private String foo; | 11:50 |
| BeholdMyGlory | Anthy is responsible for converting Japanese kana to kanji | 11:50 |
| saber_ | I just curious | 11:50 |
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| BeholdMyGlory | I'm not sure how exactly it stores its data | 11:50 |
| saber_ | are you japanese ? | 11:50 |
| BeholdMyGlory | No | 11:50 |
| saber_ | this is so interesting :P | 11:51 |
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| Armadillo | 1 hour from qa to pubslihed, nice guys! :D | 12:20 |
| coderus | SK_work: saber_: its systemd services | 12:21 |
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| TMavica | saber_ here | 12:34 |
| TMavica | ? | 12:34 |
| TMavica | u contribute to quick im? | 12:34 |
| TMavica | saber is artur..? | 12:36 |
| Yaniel | that's what he said ;) | 12:36 |
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| saber_ | TMavica | 12:48 |
| saber_ | Here I am | 12:48 |
| TMavica | ... | 12:49 |
| saber_ | Testing | 12:49 |
| saber_ | @BeholdMyGlory Help me a lot thz him | 12:50 |
| saber_ | @SK_work too :) | 12:50 |
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| Armadillo | Nicd- thanks, the prepared statements work very well. Do you know if there can be caused any side effects? | 12:56 |
| Nicd- | what kind of side effects? | 12:56 |
| Armadillo | don't know, maybe data inconsistency or something like that | 12:57 |
| Nicd- | why would there be? | 12:57 |
| Nicd- | that doesn't really have anything to do with prepared statements | 12:57 |
| Armadillo | ok | 12:57 |
| Nicd- | I mean, you insert the same data anyway | 12:58 |
| Armadillo | well, anyway, thanks again ;) | 12:59 |
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| Stskeeps | hello from helsinki airport | 13:22 |
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| Nicd- | Stskeeps: which one? ;) | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | well, vantaa | 13:29 |
| Stskeeps | finally going home | 13:29 |
| Nicd- | HEL is a nice airport | 13:30 |
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| Stskeeps | sure beats lisbon airport.. | 13:30 |
| ln- | SAS used to have this advertising campaign in turku and other places, saying "Why go through HEL?" | 13:31 |
| Stskeeps | hehe | 13:31 |
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| tbr | Stskeeps: have a pleasant flight! :) | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: thanks, looks like nice flying weather | 13:33 |
| Nicd- | yeah, have a good trip | 13:34 |
| tbr | the weather is nice and the storms over central europe seem to have gone away too | 13:34 |
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| rcg | Stskeeps, have a nice and good trip. | 13:54 |
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| Stskeeps | well, my plane isn't here | 13:55 |
| Stskeeps | so that kinda blows my plan of boarding so far ;) | 13:55 |
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| SK_work | Stskeeps: late ? | 13:56 |
| rcg | aye, ic | 13:57 |
| tbr | heh | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | well, still within reason | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | as in, we'd have to board and depart in 20 minutes, and offload people.. | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | so, possible, if you get a tiger to chase out the people from the plane.. | 13:57 |
| rcg | well, it'll come eventually | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | by putting it through the rear door | 13:58 |
| tbr | starts to be tight, but still possible | 13:58 |
| tbr | I thought it was a rabid badger? ;) | 13:58 |
| Stskeeps | that's jyvaskyla airport | 13:58 |
| tbr | :D | 13:58 |
| rcg | had a flight from jerez where the plane we were supposed to take landed about 5 minutes after the scheduled start time... so people getting off board, refueling, we getting on board etc. still to do and we still arrived as scheduled at the destination ;) | 13:59 |
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| rcg | start time -> take off time | 13:59 |
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| saber_ | @Behold | 14:01 |
| saber_ | How do you do debugging in writing the keyboard | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | Helsinki Warsaw departure at 17:20 | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | Estimated new departure time is: 23.05.2014 at 18:15 | 14:01 |
| Stskeeps | @$@$@$ | 14:01 |
| Nicd- | ouch | 14:02 |
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| rcg | get a beer then? | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | i was thinking food | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | but the fun thing | 14:03 |
| rcg | :) | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | i received this on my e-mailt | 14:03 |
| Stskeeps | the screens says absolutely nothing | 14:03 |
| Nc_ | Stskeeps, from experience, screens in airports are ca the last thing to get updated with new schedule-details | 14:04 |
| faenil | when I'm at the railway station I use the mobile app to see the updated delays on trains instead looking at the screens in the station | 14:07 |
| faenil | instead of* | 14:07 |
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| Nc_ | hmm, there are no ways to blend a Rectangle into the background (translucent edges) ? | 14:15 |
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| matrixx | jake9xx: apparently the env var renaming is not the only issue with the newest version of virtualbox :/ | 15:26 |
| matrixx | the emulator does not start :( | 15:26 |
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| kaltsi | matrixx: if you set the old env variable in a cmd prompt and start qt creator from the cmd prompt, does it work? the env var is also used inside qt creator | 15:28 |
| matrixx | kaltsi: not sure if that's the issue anymore since the build machine starts fine | 15:29 |
| kaltsi | please try, I'm fixing it based on observations | 15:29 |
| matrixx | kaltsi: I can try that | 15:29 |
| kaltsi | in my windows the path can be found from registry, others fall back to the env var.. dunno why | 15:30 |
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| matrixx | kaltsi: doesn't help.. the error I'm getting in the emulator is "SMBus base address unitialized - upgrade BIOS or use force_addr=0xaddr" | 15:35 |
| matrixx | not sure if it fixable by me | 15:35 |
| kaltsi | that's not an error.. it's supposed to be there | 15:36 |
| matrixx | oh | 15:36 |
| matrixx | but it doesn't go forward | 15:36 |
| kaltsi | so the emulator sreen opens but you don't get a picture? | 15:36 |
| kaltsi | or homescreen | 15:36 |
| matrixx | yep | 15:37 |
| kaltsi | ok.. did it ever work for you? | 15:37 |
| matrixx | this is a new install | 15:37 |
| kaltsi | but have you installed this SDK 1404 version successfully before? | 15:38 |
| matrixx | kaltsi: not on this laptop | 15:38 |
| kaltsi | it's probably an issue with the laptop's bioss.. the intel virtualization tech needs to be enabled | 15:38 |
| matrixx | kaltsi: oh, need to check that out | 15:39 |
| kaltsi | I had the same with my laptop and a couple of SDK users have run into this issue | 15:39 |
| kaltsi | the solution was to turn on the VT-x in bios.. let me check if I can find the exact details | 15:39 |
| kaltsi | uh I'm sure I wrote it down somewhere, but can't find it now :) | 15:41 |
| kaltsi | the https://sailfishos.org/wiki/SDK_Alpha_Qt5_Known_Issues has this entry | 15:42 |
| kaltsi | If emulator fails to boot to user interface, the reason might be disabled virtualization technology settings in host computer's BIOS. By turning on virtualization technology settings from BIOS, the emulator should boot up to user interface. | 15:42 |
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| kaltsi | matrixx: the bios setting should help, and if not then it's some new problem I haven't seen yet | 15:51 |
| tbr | mhm, I think that laptop has a setting for it. As I run virtual machines on the same model with acceleration. | 15:53 |
| kaltsi | which laptop is it? | 15:55 |
| tbr | Lenovo Yoga 2 Pro | 15:55 |
| tbr | It has UEFI | 15:55 |
| tbr | I went through it once when I installed Linux and made sure to tick all the boxes | 15:55 |
| tbr | and VT-x is an important box for me to tick | 15:56 |
| kaltsi | ok | 15:56 |
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| matrixx | kaltsi: that was it, now it worked | 16:01 |
| tbr | \o/ | 16:02 |
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| tortoisedoc | jeeee | 17:16 |
| tortoisedoc | is it update time?? | 17:16 |
| faenil | tortoisedoc, https://together.jolla.com/question/43464/next-os-update-in-early-june/ | 17:16 |
| tortoisedoc | faenil thanks | 17:17 |
| faenil | np | 17:17 |
| tortoisedoc | any news about qt 5.2 support in this next update? | 17:17 |
| faenil | not happening in this update (otherwise it would be on that list I guess :D ) | 17:18 |
| faenil | there were some unseen difficulties it seems | 17:18 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm I see so there is not even development versions right?= | 17:19 |
| faenil | mm? | 17:20 |
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| Stskeeps | in github.com/mer-qt | 17:22 |
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| tortoisedoc | thanks Stskeeps | 17:28 |
| tortoisedoc | Stskeeps : I recall you mentioning overlays could come with qt 5.2.... | 17:31 |
| tortoisedoc | this still the case? | 17:31 |
| faenil | what kind of overlays? | 17:32 |
| tortoisedoc | faenil : overlays / windows / popups / ... | 17:33 |
| tortoisedoc | (not video tho) | 17:33 |
| faenil | ah ok | 17:33 |
| tortoisedoc | something that I can pinch for an example on the lockscreen | 17:34 |
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| tortoisedoc | but I imagine that one is still far ahead in the road map as probably jolla wants to avoid abuse :) | 17:38 |
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| tortoisedoc | crappy windows crashing my firefox | 17:46 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | grr | 17:49 |
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| coderus | can anoyone give me working video recorder example? | 18:39 |
| coderus | im getting [W 00:37:38] CameraBin error: "Internal data flow error." | 18:40 |
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| Nc_ | trying to write a bit on my app, kids steal my phone to play it ... *grumble* | 18:55 |
| vgrade_ | weeeeekend | 19:04 |
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| kimmoli | jake9xx: the hosts patch did not solve my issue of ":-1: error: Could not connect to MerSDK Virtual Machine. The remote host closed the connection" | 19:56 |
| jake9xx | kimmoli: you can ssh to it from shell, right? | 19:57 |
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| kimmoli | yes | 20:10 |
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| stephg | quick noob question, building an rpm with the sdk that doesn't have a project? | 21:07 |
| stephg | rpmbuild or is there proper way? | 21:07 |
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| kimmoli | i have done such things on the phone... (but afaik should be doable on sdk command-line) | 21:09 |
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| stephg | ah someone did a howto for that on tjc, will have a hunt round there see if there's anything to glean | 21:12 |
| stephg | it was AL13N, who hasn't been in here in ages now that I think about it | 21:13 |
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| stephg | looks like it's rpmbuild, but is bed time | 21:28 |
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| merlin1991 | stephg: mb2 build | 21:51 |
| merlin1991 | just need a spec file in $currentworkdir/rpm/ | 21:51 |
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| saber_ | @Behold ? | 23:02 |
| saber_ | I just update with the pasteButton Component | 23:02 |
| saber_ | the copy and paste function just works fine | 23:03 |
| saber_ | but the clear clipboard function is still missing lol | 23:03 |
| saber_ | I just updated with this code for it | 23:06 |
| saber_ | onPressAndHold: { Clipboard.text = ""; keyboard.expandedPaste = false } | 23:06 |
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