Thursday, 2014-05-22

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madkThis is for developer talk right?00:52
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uvatvmwYes as far as I know01:01
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n1ckyhey all, is there an eta on the HAL for nexus 4?02:10
n1ckyor just another update in general?02:10
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madkWhy is designing for this so hard?03:09
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coderuseverybody hates designer :)05:21
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Stskeepsqt designer?05:36
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uvatbcWoo! I've finally got everything ported, working and looking decent in my app. Now I would like to automate the build process so that I can release without having to fire up qtcreator.05:45
uvatbcI plan to go read the VBox command line utility to start the mersdk vm, then start a shell script via ssh.... wait for completion and shut the mersdk vm.05:46
Stskeepsmakes sense05:46
uvatbcthe last time I learnt how to do this, I had to go read everything about deb packaging. this time its rpm... any pointers that I should read so that I can create an rpm from a shell script? I dont want to parse what qtcreator does.05:48
Stskeepsit's a bit early in morning for me, but if you get one packaging going in qtcreator; it should be fairly easy to deal with the .spec/yaml file05:49
Stskeepsin a automated build setting05:49
Stskeepsat least i rarely modify my .spec05:50
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uvatbcrpm is all new to me, I'm fairly conversant with rules and deb-helper. I too have not touched the spec/yaml beyond what was absolutely necessary to allow qtcreator to create the package05:51
uvatbck. time to go google hunting for rpm info05:52
Stskeepsqtcreator does most of the hard work05:52
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uvatbcyup... I guessed that qtcreator is doing a fair bit of work only on the nature of its output05:52
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jake9xxrpm is built inside the sdk vm, qtcreator is not doing much there. We push the output of rpmbuild to the qtcreator's output window06:00
jake9xxwhen you deploy and run stuff on device/emulator, then qtcreator plays a part06:00
jake9xxuvatbc: basically you're looking at VBoxManage "MerSDK" startvm (or equivalent) ; ssh -i ~/Sailfish... -p 2222 mersdk@localhost mb2 -t <target> ...06:02
jake9xxand then shut down the MerSDK06:02
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uvatbcjake9xx: yup, thats what I thought I'd need to do. current blocker is learning rpm build tools.06:17
jake9xxuvatbc: don't, just run mb206:18
uvatbcalso: is there any restriction on increasing the number of cores available to the mersdk vm? ideally I'd like to use at least 4 of the eight on my dev machine. make -j4 without more cores is kinda pointless06:19
jake9xxuvatbc: cd <where your .pro lives> ; mb2 -t <buildtarget name> qmake ; mb2 -t <..> rpm ...06:19
jake9xxuvatbc: no, you can do what ever you want on your own dev.PC. For obvious reasons we cannot release a setup that would hog all the resources of developer's PC06:20
uvatbcjake9xx: oh.. Stupid question: what is mb2?06:20
jake9xxmb2 is the build wrapper for qmake, make and rpmbuild06:20
uvatbcoh thats nice... makes my job much simpler. let me try that06:21
jake9xxonce you're inside mersdk as 'mersdk' user. you can run mb2 from command line, it has quite good helps built in IIRC06:22
jake9xxyou know how to get in?06:22
Nicd-is it possible to deploy and run on device without qt creator? I would love to live without qt creator :P06:24
jake9xxuvatbc: adding (not sure if it's up-to-date, not maintained by my team):
jake9xxNicd-: sure06:25
jake9xxNicd-: just build with some ssh + mb2 magic, then rsync or scp it to device and look at journal log with journalctl on device06:26
uvatbcjake9xx: yup I've gone into mersdk frequently. In fact one of the first things I did was to play with mersdk through ssh.06:26
jake9xxbtw, qtc opens mersdk as headless, i.e. no ui. But if you launch it manually from command line or use vbox ui then it gets an ui06:27
jake9xxbut you kinda need the sdk installer still - it makes the mounts so ssh keys work w/o problems06:27
uvatbcjake9xx: that sdk hacks page is new for me. I see that it has mb2 as second code line06:27
jake9xxwonders of the internet ;)06:28
uvatbclol that one page practically answered all my questions and from the looks of it even Nicd's06:30
uvatbcthanks again06:32
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jake9xxif you find errors on that page, you might wanna update it accordingly ;)06:37
uvatbcwill do.06:37
uvatbc"zypper search qdbusxml2cpp" returns nothing. Am I missing something or do I just run qdbusxml2cpp outside the vm ?06:38
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uvatbcnevermind, found it: "sudo zypper install qt5-qtdbus-devel"06:42
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uvatbcok this is simpler than I had thought06:49
* uvatbc shifts around uncomfortably06:49
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uvatbcand... done. It works.07:03
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* Stskeeps offers uvatbc a victory beverage07:03
* uvatbc graciously accepts, although he's more used to obligatory trout07:04
JuubaThis community runs on beer!07:05
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jake9xxuvatbc: sorry to spoil your game. but you need to do sb2 -t <target name> -m sdk-install -R zypper... in order to use it in your build07:07
jake9xxuvatbc: and done as 'mersdk' user07:07
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jake9xxi486 target uses the same package repos as the mersdk itself, that's why you can pull development packages into it too :)07:08
uvatbcjake9xx: thats definitely the correct way, but as long as both versions generate the same dbus code (which I'm fairly certain they would) it should be fine07:09
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uvatbcunless the qdbusxml2cpp within the sb2 target emits something specific to the target, it shouldn't matter. if it *does* emit target specific code I'd have to file a bug07:10
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uvatbcyep, just tested it - no problems using the generated dbus classes07:14
uvatbcnow for the fun part: dealing with telepathy.07:15
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jake9xxgabble related activity spotted [x]07:16
uvatbcactually rakia and ring07:17
uvatbcbut I think I'll deal with that after I put in a sim card.07:18
uvatbcany clues about when's the next SailfishOS  drop for the Nexus4?07:19
Stskeepsafter next update goes out07:19
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uvatbchm.. I was reading the "Jolla release plan for high-level features" thread and I realized I don't understand what "update6 / 7" means. Is that a date or is that supposed to represent update6 -> update7 ?07:24
Stskeepsupdate6 and update7, current public one is update507:24
uvatbcok. thx07:25
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SK_workpetantik: hello please ask07:56
SK_workpetantik: omh I was looking at logs, please ignore07:56
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dr_gogeta86for who maintain blog about sailfish development09:15
dr_gogeta86is very important how to mangle sdk behind a proxy ....09:15
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jake9xxdr_gogeta86: good find. coderus ^ ?09:21
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stephgif you're interested this weeks' SailfishOS meeting has just started in #mer-meeting10:02
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coderusQtSensors. please help me to handle shake :)11:14
SK_worklpotter: ^?11:14
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m4g0gdoes somebody use qml 2 for desktop applications?11:15
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slettam4g0g: Qt creator uses it11:15
slettanot for everything, but some of the parts11:15
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slettawhy do you ask?11:17
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Frye+1 jake9xx on the mailinglist. I'm getting annoyed about the amount of spam I receive there atm.13:07
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FryeNot that my getting annoyed should really matter to any of you ;-) Just want to let you know that I too want it to stay on topic.13:07
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* mike7b4_on_x230_ unsubscribe from sailfishos mailinglist its enought now :(13:11
FryeJust create a filter with the sender address13:12
FryeI got a place for those mails and it's called spam... Filter set13:12
mike7b4_on_x230_Yes, I could do that but...13:13
FryeBut I do think that heavy moderation needs to take place there. The offtopic discussion has been going on for ages although it has been requested to stop several times nicely.13:13
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FryeAnd no, it's not cencorship if off-topic discussion is removed or moderated after warning about it.13:16
lbtmike7b4_on_x230_: please don't do that; we should have had policy in place for dealing with this kind of disruption13:16
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lbtsadly we had rose-tinted glasses and didn't anticipate this level of rant13:16
tbr*sigh* :(13:17
lbtoverall I don't think anyone wanted to be ban-happy ; that doesn't promote a good feeling13:17
Fryeyeah, I can understand.13:18
lbtthe downside of being permissive is that it can drive people away who simply don't like the conflict13:18
FryeAnd normally people respect others when nicely asked13:18
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mike7b4_on_x230_well I just wanted to give my view. I may subsribe again later but atm. it must stop since its not good for anyone. I mean it should be about development not a place whining...13:20
lbtso mike7b4_on_x230_ : you can best help the community side by simply ignoring the rants and knowing that if you (or a friend) ever find themselves in a dark place then at least their calls for help haven't been silenced13:20
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mike7b4_on_x230_lbt: good point but.. it hard sometime...13:21
lbtyes, it is hard13:21
FryeYep, sure is13:21
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FryeFilter helps13:21
FryeAnd for the lonely nights I have them saved so I can make a bunch of popcorn and read those for fun13:22
lbtespecially for those of us with less social skills ... "STFU, *plonk*" ... generally doesn't help ... so I've not replied :)13:22
FryeI may sound rode here, but I think the situation has been addressed very well and many times enough so it should not go on anymore.13:22
lbtFrye: my feeling is that he's passed the point for an email ban at this time13:23
lbtmaybe a 1-week cooling off ban would make sense13:23
Fryetbh I would not mind seeing that13:23
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FryeI can even vote for it on together..13:24
lbtit would be good to have a set of community driven guidelines for acceptable behaviour and reasonable responses13:24
lbtI know I've been loathe for Jolla to dictate them13:24
kimmoli_sailinglet community decide penalty at TJC for community members behaving badly?13:25
lbtI think that approach would be best13:25
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lbtcybette: iekku: ^^ thoughts? Let the community pull together some guidelines and responses? Provide some input from Jolla side if there's anything relevant?13:26
lbtFrye: kimmoli_sailing: tbh the main thing is ... it needs to actually be *done* ... :D  (hint hint)13:27
FryeHehe, I have too little time atm, full time work and school. But hopefully it will be done. If not I have a holday coming...13:28
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cybettelbt: I could gather some of the discussions/thoughts we've had so far and open a pirate pad for community input. but first let me send out the meeting minutes :)13:29
FryeAnd for the record, keep up the good work guys.13:30
FryeA small story here. I had a colleague that literally went and ruined my cars painting one day. Have to say we have not been best friends since. If possible I have not even talked to him.13:30
FryeHowever there was this meeting with old colleagues and the organizer asked if I could pick him up or he cannot join the happening.13:31
FryeSo I did pick him up. Although reluctantly.13:31
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FryeWe tend to disagree about stuff but at the end it should nout cause such a havoc.13:31
FryeAnd personal disagreements should not be brought up here in the first place.13:32
FryeJust my 2c13:32
FryeGo make your popcorns ;-)13:32
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lbtI'm just mega-impressed at thp for just carrying on working and contributing whilst the tirades keeps coming at him :)13:36
FryeThat's what I call professional skill. Work is one thing and personal stuff something else. My hat is off to thp.13:37
* SK_work grabs popcorn and read the mail13:37
FryeSometimes the personal stuff is hard or even impossible to put aside ofc.13:38
jake9xxSK_work: make that a big bucket. Consider looking at social media also13:38
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merlin1991tbr: what is the status in chum land, where are we currently, what do we need, and are you going to move the u4 packages into the u5 repo?13:38
SK_workjake9xx: indeed, considering techcrunch writing a nice article in one week13:39
SK_worksince filip started to cc this mail to everybody13:39
* lbt was ill all last week too - I need to kill my work tasks and then look at chum13:39
SK_workI can understand this though13:39
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tbrmerlin1991: currently my free time is absorbed by other things, sadly. I was hoping lbt or one of the others would take care of that13:41
lbttbr: what needs doing - promotions to latest update?13:42
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merlin1991hmm iirc it's just you and lbt that are involved in chum, are there any others?13:43
lbtmerlin1991: there's a fair few people 'involved'13:43
tbrlbt: mass copypac from u4 to u5:testing (or if we think it will just work directly u5)13:44
lbtit's just that some server-side stuff is admin only13:44
tbrwhat I did previously was to copypac to the new testing, see if it builds/installs and then promote. testing on select packages13:44
tbras most of the packages are unlikely to break through updates13:45
tbrso far!13:45
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lbtmakes sense13:45
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coderusi can't even start plain QAccelerometer to work :|13:52
coderusaccel = new QAccelerometer(this);13:52
coderusaccel->start() return false13:52
lbton the device?13:53
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coderus(accelerometer is working in android apps btw)13:54
lbtI use:     QAccelerometer m_sensor; m_sensor.start();13:54
lbtQAccelerometerReading *reading = m_sensor.reading();13:54
lbtto use I do:   setGravity(reading->x(), reading->y(), reading->z());13:54
lbtI admit I don't test the return value of start() ...... bad lbt13:55
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coderuswhy its not working for me...14:01
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lbtcoderus: I think the docs mention a little settling time14:03
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coderusnor qt or qml bindings are working for me14:07
coderuslbt: can i test your app?14:07
lbt3D dice :)14:08
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coderuslbt: segfault :D14:10
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Morpog_Jollacoderus: works fine here14:11
lbtcoderus: interesting14:11
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lbtbut you say it works for android apps14:12
lbtdone any hacking (kernel, device level, Qt etc) ?14:12
lbttry running csd14:14
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iekkukimmoli, lbt: why not, i think it's fair game14:15
coderushm yeah, accelerometer not working anymore14:15
coderusnot android or sailfish14:15
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lbtouch - mail care@14:16
SK_workcoderus: care welcomes your device :)14:16
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lbtmainly because you can't play 3D dice of course14:16
SK_work[16:20] <SK_work> thanks lbt for the mail in SFOS devel ML14:20
SK_worklbt: and do you think that downloading 3D dice should be mandatory in this guidelines :P ?14:21
lbtof course - you need to stack 20 of each flavour of die before posting a reply14:21
SK_worklbt: :S14:22
* lbt ponders a 'nuke all dice' button14:22
SK_worklbt: are you a big fan of RPGs actually ?14:23
* SK_work wondered about this question long time ago, but didn't had any opportunity to ask it14:24
lbtI used to AD&D and then did some BG14:24
SK_worklbt: because 3D dice can be very useful during D&D14:24
lbtYeah - I just didn't do a d4 yet14:25
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SK_worklbt: true that the D4 is missing14:25
SK_workand it's missing some mer logos too14:25
lbtI guess it could be useful to have a few "use this set (3d6+2d8)"14:25
lbtah - the middle dot of the 1 on the d614:26
SK_worklbt: thought about a slider to define the number of dices ?14:26
SK_worklbt: yeah but put one on each dice :)14:26
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lbtI'd worry it'd affect the weighting :D14:27
lbtthe dice are 'just' blender models too fwiw14:27
SK_worklbt: :P14:27
lbtI have another thing in the works which takes more blender things and uses them - kinda fun14:28
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SK_worklbt: SFOS app ?14:28
SK_workor something else ?14:28
lbtyes - built around 3D Dice codebase but refined the C++ model a *lot*14:29
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lbtuses the same QML/blender/physics/GLES mix14:29
lbtI need sound though (and sounds)14:30
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merlin1991lbt about chum, visible to me from irc and the meeting where chum was a topic, it's just you and tbr that work on that anyone else I should know that work on this or are you 2 the publicly visible figures?14:32
lbtI think we're the main custodians at the minute. Other people are doing bits here and there14:33
lbtit's always a prioritisation thing - can I work on chum or do I need to make something else work14:34
lbtI personally don't need chum for my apps at the moment - harbour works - so that doesn't help to raise the prio14:34
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lbtalso I'm keen to make any technical changes post the OBS update - so that delays chum tasks too14:35
lbtalso ....*yawn* ... I'm tired :)14:35
merlin1991wasn't the obs update meant to happen sooner than later?14:35
lbtI've been ill14:36
merlin1991ah sorry14:36
lbtnp - it happens14:36
* merlin1991 read that some minutes ago14:36
* merlin1991 needs better short term memory14:36
lbta lot of chum is based on docs too - so other people can dive in14:37
lbtthe skill there is to build a framework and not a ruleset14:37
SK_worklbt: a lot of many stuff is based on docs14:37
SK_work(a lot of Qt is based on docs ;))14:37
lbtok ... afk for a bit o/14:38
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Stskeepso/ javispedro14:59
Stskeepshello hello14:59
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SK_workMorpog_Tablet: hello !15:03
SK_workwhat tablet did you got ? :)15:03
Stskeepsn7 i presume?15:03
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javispedro -- you are crazy guys.15:07
SK_workStskeeps: me too15:08
SK_workbut just asking15:08
Stskeepsjavispedro: i think 'wizardy' is the word you're looking for.15:09
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* javispedro failed at that, but I was targeting rw too.15:10
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javispedro<rant>The problem with MTP, as I see, is that it's not in the kernel. So it's subject to the normal user-space cycle of Attention Deficit Teenagers which means it's broken in every other release.</rant>15:17
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coderusSK_work: lbt: care, ahah :D15:20
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Morpog_Jollamaybe a factory reset helps coderus?15:21
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coderustoo many apps... :(15:22
coderusbut i'll probably try it tomorrow15:22
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coderusi'm open for any idea15:29
coderuscan disassembly device15:29
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pnXhi all, quick question: I'm considering buying a used nexus4 for toying around with sailfish. However, states that there is no GSM voice support on nexus4 - does this still hold true?15:34
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SK_worksledges: ^ ?15:38
Loris_pnX: you can see here the current state of support...and you can see: GSM is available :)15:38
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pnXok great :) was a big fan of n9 / meego and this seems to become really close to the user experience of said phone.15:40
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coderushaha please sorry damn stupid me :D15:45
coderusreinstalled sensorfw packages and my accelerometer now working :15:45
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SK_workcoderus: :D15:46
SK_worklessons for you15:46
SK_workmind writing it to sailfishdev ?15:46
coderustoo much panic15:46
SK_workaccelerometer don't work ? install sensorfw :D15:46
SK_workwell, more seriously15:47
SK_workfor devs, adding sensorfw as dep don't hurt15:47
coderussensorfw is default packages15:48
SK_workcoderus: yep, but it can be uninstall, it seems :)15:48
coderusit probably was broken somehow15:48
SK_workanyway, I'm happy that your device isn't broken :)15:48
SK_workno care, no reset etc.15:48
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coderuslbt: haha i like mer dice :D15:49
coderuslbt: please add settings :)15:50
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SK_workcoderus: tap on the title15:51
SK_work(mer dice)15:51
SK_workyou can add and remove dices15:51
SK_workit's quite awesome15:51
SK_workI would prefer sliders to define the number of dices, but it's up to lbt15:51
Morpog_TabletSK_work, I had a n7, but sledges, Stskeeps and co. took too long to adapt sfos to it, so I gifted it to my sister and got myself a dell venue 8 pro now15:52
SK_workMorpog_Tablet: :D15:52
SK_workMorpog_Tablet: is it a windows tablet ?15:52
SK_worklike windows RT ?15:52
Morpog_Tabletx86 windows15:53
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Morpog_Tabletthose new atomcpuś are great, unlike the old painfully slow ones15:54
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Morpog_Tableti heard it's hard to get linux on it due to a 32bit efi bootloader15:57
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SK_workMorpog_Tablet: :/16:01
SK_workdo you enjoy win8 ?16:01
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javispedroMorpog_Tablet: problem is that you're either stuck to 32bit Linux or using "noefi" forever16:10
cos-idea, don't know if it's new: add checkbox to download beta updates of sailfish os16:11
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Nicd-cos-: it's the "developer updates" in the settings I guess16:14
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cos-"Access to developer repositories requires special access rights from Jolla"16:15
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coderusSK_work: thanks :)16:15
cos-i wonder what it is in practice. is it possible to get the access somehow?16:16
coderuscos-: sure. ask jolla to hire you :)16:16
Nicd-ask nicely :P so far I don't think anyone except jolla employees have access16:16
SK_workcoderus: :D16:17
cos-i was thinking something more like ubuntu's lts and sts releases.16:18
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coderuscos-: add mer repo, most of updates comes from there16:19
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cos-i was thinking something more officially supported (aka checkbox in settings)16:22
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TheBootroo_homejake9xx: hi16:24
TheBootroo_homei retried build and deploy to Jolla Phone16:24
TheBootroo_homesame issue as yesterday16:24
TheBootroo_homei removed build dir, restarted MerSDK vm, and hit 'build and run'16:25
TheBootroo_homeit kinda worked first time, but failed deploy, and know when i try deploy i get
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jake9xxTheBootroo_home: looking, tnx16:30
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jake9xxahaa, so it cannot talk to the MerSDK hmm16:30
jake9xxcan you ssh into it from command line16:31
jake9xxand if so, how long does it take?16:31
jake9xxi.e. ssh using keys from ~/SailfishOS/...16:32
TheBootroo_homei never remember the command for that16:33
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jake9xxhold on, we have a page for that :)16:36
TheBootroo_homei don't understand why it "can't talk to mer SDK"  because it actually build things16:36
TheBootroo_homewhere ?16:36
jake9xxlike said, hold on I need to check that it's legit16:37
jake9xxlook for 'Build Engine'16:37
Morpog_TabletSK_work, well, it's a different solution, metro apps for mobile like controling of device plus desktop for traditional work. I love to access my home network theasy way and all my prefered applications over the last decades are already working16:38
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TheBootroo_homejake9xx: i'm in16:39
TheBootroo_homeas mersdk16:39
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jake9xxswitch to 'root'16:39
jake9xxsudo bash16:39
jake9xxrun journalctl -fa16:40
jake9xxand now press 'Play' i.e. '|>' in qtc16:40
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alinStskeeps: sledges any public sharable progress on the general guide for porting?16:41
coderusshake working now, thanks to everyone :)16:41
jake9xxcoderus: so I don't need to send you another device :) good16:42
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coderusdo you have?16:44
TheBootroo_homejake9xx: same issue16:44
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jake9xxTheBootroo_home: unable to login?16:45
jake9xxah, but now you got hte journalctl running in mersdk, right?16:45
TheBootroo_homei retry again and agin16:45
TheBootroo_homesometimes, rarely, it works16:46
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jake9xxok, care to paste the journal output somewhere?16:47
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jake9xxhmm 'dispatch_protocol_error'16:49
jake9xxinteresting. I don't get failure but deploy seems to take a long time sometimes16:53
jake9xxTheBootroo_home: is this with device or emulator?16:54
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coderusjake9xx: i thought its feature17:00
jake9xxyup, rule that out17:06
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TheBootroo_homejake9xx: no idea ?17:09
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jake9xxTheBootroo_home: well we can try this17:12
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jake9xx1. login to mersdk and navigate to your project directory (where the main .pro lies)17:12
jake9xx2. run: mb2 -t SailfishOS-i486 -d "SailfishOS Emulator" deploy --pkcon17:12
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TheBootroo_homejake9xx: i don't use Emulator17:13
TheBootroo_home(too slow compared to my phone)17:14
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jake9xxok, replace "SailfishOS Emulator" with the name you've given your device in QtCreator17:15
TheBootroo_homejake9xx: here is a full rebuild from empty build dir
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TheBootroo_homejake9xx: Fatal: SailfishOS-armv7hl is an invalid sb2 target17:18
ziggy42Is there a way to make money from a SailfishOS app right now? :D17:19
coderusziggy42: no17:21
coderusonly via donations17:22
ziggy42yeah adds would be cool but I can't find a way to add admob iin qml17:22
ziggy42I think this should be a priority for jolla...17:23
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jake9xxTheBootroo_home: ok.. I can guess this one17:26
jake9xxI'll check them sources, wait a bit17:26
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jake9xxTheBootroo_home: I think for some reason you're on the edge of timeout(s)17:29
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jake9xxit's hardcoded for 10s, see:
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jake9xx10s timeout sound a bit weird TBH though17:30
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jake9xxI'll see if I can do something about it. The MerSSH uses QtCreator's own SSH lib which has a few issues itself...17:31
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TheBootroo_homejake9xx: as i can't change mersdk timeout, how can i reduce ssh delays in connection17:45
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TheBootroo_homebecause it wasn't so slow before17:46
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jake9xxone thing you could do17:47
jake9xxadd SailfishSDK to /etc/hosts in your host pc17:48
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kimmolibtw, is there any progress on issue where mersdk stops responding once a while and needs to be restarted (win7)17:50
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Nc_seems this IRC client is not perfectly stable :)17:53
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TheBootroo_homejake9xx: seems to work better with the host trick17:59
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kimmoliwhat would be the preferred way to store data to phone from my app?18:01
TheBootroo_homekimmoli: i use QtSql module with sqlite file18:01
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kimmoliok, tnx, will have a look at that18:01
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Nc_there are no OS level datastore for apps and/or settings?18:02
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ziggy42out of curiosity18:04
ziggy42do you guys minify your js files?18:04
TheBootroo_homeziggy42: nope, i want to keep them readable and maintainable18:04
kimmolii use QSettings for "settings", works great for low-amount of data. now need some more.18:05
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ziggy42if you want to keep all in qml/js I use for settings something like the second answer
ziggy42TheBootroo_home: do you think would be useful?18:08
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ziggy42I mean, with a very large js file18:09
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Nc_ziggy42: interesting solution, cheers :)18:14
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coderuskimmoli: what kind of data?18:17
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kimmolinumber and timestamp of each entry18:19
kimmolimultiple lists of such18:19
kimmolione table containing list info, and 2nd table containing data+timestamp maybe18:20
kimmolin*2nd table mean then18:20
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ziggy42kimmoli: I think SQLite would be ok18:29
kimmoliwill have learning curve...18:29
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coderuskimmoli: how often data   changed?18:41
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kimmolionce a day18:44
kimmolior twice18:45
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coderusthen QSettings wrapper should be enough18:46
kimmolibut i also would like the data to be portable18:47
kimmolithere might be lots of data, if timeperiod is long, say year or so18:48
kimmoliand if there is 5-6 values logged 2 times/day, makes hundreds of entries anyway18:49
coderusthen sqlite is perfet :)18:50
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kimmoli>> again >> :-1: error: Could not connect to MerSDK Virtual Machine. The remote host closed the connection18:55
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JvD_hah.. i just faced the same problem19:00
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coderusnever had this problem since using chrooted vm :)19:01
JvD_just restarted MerSDK from VirtualBox Manager19:02
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kimmolifor me it is enought to restart it through sdk gui19:05
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jake9xxTheBootroo_home: that's good news. Sorry, was out (huntign vacuum leaks from my baby)19:17
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jake9xxziggy42: like with obfuscator?19:18
jake9xxkimmoli: just explained that MerSDK thingy to TheBootroo_home ; patch 'hosts' file.19:18
jake9xxziggy42: if you want to go on that route, embed all to qrc etc..19:19
kimmolijake9xx: imo this is different, but give a try to hosts patch19:21
jake9xxkimmoli: can you ssh to the VM from cmdline?19:22
kimmoliiirc, i havenöt tried when that error occurs19:22
kimmolibut yes, in generally i can19:22
kimmoliwhen this occurs, it comes most often when build fails due typo, i fix it quickly and start build again - at least i feel so19:23
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jake9xxhmm, strange19:24
kimmolioccurs about every 20th build or so19:25
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kimmolii'm so used to it that i dont complain much, but i did took 2 beers so i feel that i need to do some rant19:26
kimmolisorry for that19:26
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jake9xxkimmoli: feel free to rant. Actually, come on over, I've got some beers left still ;)19:27
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* kimmoli passes me 3rd19:29
gabriel9hi, so i have one MainPage with list model. And i have Dialog page in which i want to add something to MainPage19:30
gabriel9i can't see ListModel from MainPage in Dialog19:30
gabriel9Should i create some global JS file with shared model?19:30
gabriel9or there is some other pattern for this19:31
kimmoliyou can do that in accept-connection of dialog when dialog is accepted19:31
kimmolion mainpage side19:31
kimmolii did made this yesterday, and was helpful19:32
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ziggy42Yes, I think "mainpage side" is how this should be done. Of course you could do it also with a js file19:32
gabriel9i missed that push returns some data :)19:33
gabriel9like dialog object19:33
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kimmolione more on SDK, is there way to force "parsing" or what it is called, so that i can see e.g. new exposed class objects on QML side?20:02
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kimmoliclosing/opening project helps on this, but istinks20:03
jake9xxno, qtc runs it's own magic now and then20:04
jake9xxyou'll see non-properly imported stuff usually underlined with red20:04
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gabriel9is there a list of icons in sailfish? From the settings20:32
gabriel9I think i could use some, for my app20:32
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kimmolii did make local copy of those in my pc, and seek suitable with thumbnail gallery ...20:33
kimmolifrom /usr/share/themes/jolla-ambient/meegotouch/icons/20:34
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SfietKonstantingabriel9: and invoke them with image://theme/icon-l-stuff20:35
SfietKonstantin(without png)20:35
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uvatvmwjake9xx, Stskeeps: Do you remember me asking about automating my build? On my non-virtualized dev machine it took 15 minutes to compile my project. Today I started that automation in a ubuntu vm on esx. Its been compiling for the last 5 hours. O_o21:19
uvatvmwis there a mersdk vm that doesn't depend on virtualbox but can compile for sailfish ?21:21
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jake9xxwell, what mersdk is, is basically hosting the mer platform sdk21:22
jake9xxchroot version21:22
uvatvmwhm... I'm going to try this: let me see if I can import the mersdk vm's vdisk into a vmware compatible form, then create a vmware vm out of it. the shared folders will all be broken, but as long as I can get subversion and perl inside it, I should be able to make it all work21:25
jake9xxdo this:
jake9xxand then download the target from sailfishos.org21:26
jake9xxmatch them together21:26
jake9xxand you should have a winner combo21:26
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uvatvmwok I quickly read through that. it wouldn't have the SailfishOS specific libraries / headers would it?21:31
uvatvmwtarget from sailfishos.org21:31
uvatvmwgot it21:31
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uvatvmwhacking time. I'll post back with results.21:32
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kimmoliah, enough coding for this evening... sql writes and reads, next to fill listModel with it .. uh.. GN everyone who helped today ;:)21:37
stephghello kimmoli!21:38
stephggoodnight kimmoli!21:38
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merlin1991uvatvmw: I have such a setup, it works great21:47
merlin1991I just call mb2 build from inside the mer sdk chroot and all is good21:47
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uvatvmwmerlin1991: cool! do you have it running in vmware worsktation or esx? or just chroot on dev machine?21:59
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