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madk | This is for developer talk right? | 00:52 |
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uvatvmw | Yes as far as I know | 01:01 |
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n1cky | hey all, is there an eta on the HAL for nexus 4? | 02:10 |
n1cky | or just another update in general? | 02:10 |
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madk | Why is designing for this so hard? | 03:09 |
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coderus | everybody hates designer :) | 05:21 |
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Stskeeps | qt designer? | 05:36 |
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uvatbc | Woo! I've finally got everything ported, working and looking decent in my app. Now I would like to automate the build process so that I can release without having to fire up qtcreator. | 05:45 |
uvatbc | I plan to go read the VBox command line utility to start the mersdk vm, then start a shell script via ssh.... wait for completion and shut the mersdk vm. | 05:46 |
Stskeeps | makes sense | 05:46 |
uvatbc | the last time I learnt how to do this, I had to go read everything about deb packaging. this time its rpm... any pointers that I should read so that I can create an rpm from a shell script? I dont want to parse what qtcreator does. | 05:48 |
Stskeeps | it's a bit early in morning for me, but if you get one packaging going in qtcreator; it should be fairly easy to deal with the .spec/yaml file | 05:49 |
Stskeeps | in a automated build setting | 05:49 |
Stskeeps | at least i rarely modify my .spec | 05:50 |
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uvatbc | rpm is all new to me, I'm fairly conversant with rules and deb-helper. I too have not touched the spec/yaml beyond what was absolutely necessary to allow qtcreator to create the package | 05:51 |
uvatbc | k. time to go google hunting for rpm info | 05:52 |
Stskeeps | qtcreator does most of the hard work | 05:52 |
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uvatbc | yup... I guessed that qtcreator is doing a fair bit of work only on the nature of its output | 05:52 |
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jake9xx | rpm is built inside the sdk vm, qtcreator is not doing much there. We push the output of rpmbuild to the qtcreator's output window | 06:00 |
jake9xx | when you deploy and run stuff on device/emulator, then qtcreator plays a part | 06:00 |
jake9xx | uvatbc: basically you're looking at VBoxManage "MerSDK" startvm (or equivalent) ; ssh -i ~/Sailfish... -p 2222 mersdk@localhost mb2 -t <target> ... | 06:02 |
jake9xx | and then shut down the MerSDK | 06:02 |
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uvatbc | jake9xx: yup, thats what I thought I'd need to do. current blocker is learning rpm build tools. | 06:17 |
jake9xx | uvatbc: don't, just run mb2 | 06:18 |
uvatbc | also: is there any restriction on increasing the number of cores available to the mersdk vm? ideally I'd like to use at least 4 of the eight on my dev machine. make -j4 without more cores is kinda pointless | 06:19 |
jake9xx | uvatbc: cd <where your .pro lives> ; mb2 -t <buildtarget name> qmake ; mb2 -t <..> rpm ... | 06:19 |
jake9xx | uvatbc: no, you can do what ever you want on your own dev.PC. For obvious reasons we cannot release a setup that would hog all the resources of developer's PC | 06:20 |
uvatbc | jake9xx: oh.. Stupid question: what is mb2? | 06:20 |
jake9xx | mb2 is the build wrapper for qmake, make and rpmbuild | 06:20 |
uvatbc | oh thats nice... makes my job much simpler. let me try that | 06:21 |
uvatbc | thanks! | 06:22 |
jake9xx | once you're inside mersdk as 'mersdk' user. you can run mb2 from command line, it has quite good helps built in IIRC | 06:22 |
jake9xx | you know how to get in? | 06:22 |
jake9xx | https://sailfishos.org/develop-faq.html | 06:23 |
Nicd- | is it possible to deploy and run on device without qt creator? I would love to live without qt creator :P | 06:24 |
jake9xx | uvatbc: adding (not sure if it's up-to-date, not maintained by my team): https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Sailfish_SDK_Hacks | 06:25 |
jake9xx | Nicd-: sure | 06:25 |
jake9xx | Nicd-: just build with some ssh + mb2 magic, then rsync or scp it to device and look at journal log with journalctl on device | 06:26 |
uvatbc | jake9xx: yup I've gone into mersdk frequently. In fact one of the first things I did was to play with mersdk through ssh. | 06:26 |
jake9xx | btw, qtc opens mersdk as headless, i.e. no ui. But if you launch it manually from command line or use vbox ui then it gets an ui | 06:27 |
jake9xx | but you kinda need the sdk installer still - it makes the mounts so ssh keys work w/o problems | 06:27 |
uvatbc | jake9xx: that sdk hacks page is new for me. I see that it has mb2 as second code line | 06:27 |
jake9xx | wonders of the internet ;) | 06:28 |
uvatbc | lol that one page practically answered all my questions and from the looks of it even Nicd's | 06:30 |
uvatbc | thanks again | 06:32 |
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jake9xx | if you find errors on that page, you might wanna update it accordingly ;) | 06:37 |
uvatbc | will do. | 06:37 |
uvatbc | "zypper search qdbusxml2cpp" returns nothing. Am I missing something or do I just run qdbusxml2cpp outside the vm ? | 06:38 |
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uvatbc | nevermind, found it: "sudo zypper install qt5-qtdbus-devel" | 06:42 |
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uvatbc | ok this is simpler than I had thought | 06:49 |
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uvatbc | and... done. It works. | 07:03 |
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Juuba | This community runs on beer! | 07:05 |
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jake9xx | uvatbc: sorry to spoil your game. but you need to do sb2 -t <target name> -m sdk-install -R zypper... in order to use it in your build | 07:07 |
jake9xx | uvatbc: and done as 'mersdk' user | 07:07 |
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jake9xx | i486 target uses the same package repos as the mersdk itself, that's why you can pull development packages into it too :) | 07:08 |
uvatbc | jake9xx: thats definitely the correct way, but as long as both versions generate the same dbus code (which I'm fairly certain they would) it should be fine | 07:09 |
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uvatbc | unless the qdbusxml2cpp within the sb2 target emits something specific to the target, it shouldn't matter. if it *does* emit target specific code I'd have to file a bug | 07:10 |
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uvatbc | yep, just tested it - no problems using the generated dbus classes | 07:14 |
uvatbc | now for the fun part: dealing with telepathy. | 07:15 |
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jake9xx | gabble related activity spotted [x] | 07:16 |
uvatbc | actually rakia and ring | 07:17 |
uvatbc | but I think I'll deal with that after I put in a sim card. | 07:18 |
uvatbc | any clues about when's the next SailfishOS drop for the Nexus4? | 07:19 |
Stskeeps | after next update goes out | 07:19 |
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uvatbc | hm.. I was reading the "Jolla release plan for high-level features" thread and I realized I don't understand what "update6 / 7" means. Is that a date or is that supposed to represent update6 -> update7 ? | 07:24 |
Stskeeps | update6 and update7, current public one is update5 | 07:24 |
uvatbc | ok. thx | 07:25 |
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SK_work | petantik: hello please ask | 07:56 |
SK_work | petantik: omh I was looking at logs, please ignore | 07:56 |
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dr_gogeta86 | for who maintain blog about sailfish development | 09:15 |
dr_gogeta86 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1405529#post1405529 | 09:15 |
dr_gogeta86 | is very important how to mangle sdk behind a proxy .... | 09:15 |
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jake9xx | dr_gogeta86: good find. coderus ^ ? | 09:21 |
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stephg | if you're interested this weeks' SailfishOS meeting has just started in #mer-meeting | 10:02 |
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coderus | QtSensors. please help me to handle shake :) | 11:14 |
SK_work | lpotter: ^? | 11:14 |
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m4g0g | does somebody use qml 2 for desktop applications? | 11:15 |
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sletta | m4g0g: Qt creator uses it | 11:15 |
sletta | not for everything, but some of the parts | 11:15 |
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sletta | why do you ask? | 11:17 |
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Frye | +1 jake9xx on the mailinglist. I'm getting annoyed about the amount of spam I receive there atm. | 13:07 |
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Frye | Not that my getting annoyed should really matter to any of you ;-) Just want to let you know that I too want it to stay on topic. | 13:07 |
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* mike7b4_on_x230_ unsubscribe from sailfishos mailinglist its enought now :( | 13:11 | |
Frye | Don't | 13:11 |
Frye | Just create a filter with the sender address | 13:12 |
Frye | I got a place for those mails and it's called spam... Filter set | 13:12 |
mike7b4_on_x230_ | Yes, I could do that but... | 13:13 |
Frye | But I do think that heavy moderation needs to take place there. The offtopic discussion has been going on for ages although it has been requested to stop several times nicely. | 13:13 |
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Frye | And no, it's not cencorship if off-topic discussion is removed or moderated after warning about it. | 13:16 |
lbt | mike7b4_on_x230_: please don't do that; we should have had policy in place for dealing with this kind of disruption | 13:16 |
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lbt | sadly we had rose-tinted glasses and didn't anticipate this level of rant | 13:16 |
tbr | *sigh* :( | 13:17 |
lbt | overall I don't think anyone wanted to be ban-happy ; that doesn't promote a good feeling | 13:17 |
Frye | yeah, I can understand. | 13:18 |
lbt | the downside of being permissive is that it can drive people away who simply don't like the conflict | 13:18 |
Frye | And normally people respect others when nicely asked | 13:18 |
lbt | yep | 13:18 |
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mike7b4_on_x230_ | well I just wanted to give my view. I may subsribe again later but atm. it must stop since its not good for anyone. I mean it should be about development not a place whining... | 13:20 |
lbt | so mike7b4_on_x230_ : you can best help the community side by simply ignoring the rants and knowing that if you (or a friend) ever find themselves in a dark place then at least their calls for help haven't been silenced | 13:20 |
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mike7b4_on_x230_ | lbt: good point but.. it hard sometime... | 13:21 |
lbt | yes, it is hard | 13:21 |
Frye | Yep, sure is | 13:21 |
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Frye | Filter helps | 13:21 |
Frye | And for the lonely nights I have them saved so I can make a bunch of popcorn and read those for fun | 13:22 |
lbt | especially for those of us with less social skills ... "STFU, *plonk*" ... generally doesn't help ... so I've not replied :) | 13:22 |
Frye | I may sound rode here, but I think the situation has been addressed very well and many times enough so it should not go on anymore. | 13:22 |
mike7b4_on_x230_ | LOL | 13:22 |
Frye | rude* | 13:22 |
lbt | Frye: my feeling is that he's passed the point for an email ban at this time | 13:23 |
Frye | Yep | 13:23 |
lbt | maybe a 1-week cooling off ban would make sense | 13:23 |
Frye | Well | 13:23 |
Frye | tbh I would not mind seeing that | 13:23 |
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Frye | I can even vote for it on together.. | 13:24 |
lbt | it would be good to have a set of community driven guidelines for acceptable behaviour and reasonable responses | 13:24 |
lbt | I know I've been loathe for Jolla to dictate them | 13:24 |
kimmoli_sailing | let community decide penalty at TJC for community members behaving badly? | 13:25 |
lbt | I think that approach would be best | 13:25 |
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lbt | cybette: iekku: ^^ thoughts? Let the community pull together some guidelines and responses? Provide some input from Jolla side if there's anything relevant? | 13:26 |
lbt | Frye: kimmoli_sailing: tbh the main thing is ... it needs to actually be *done* ... :D (hint hint) | 13:27 |
Frye | Hehe, I have too little time atm, full time work and school. But hopefully it will be done. If not I have a holday coming... | 13:28 |
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cybette | lbt: I could gather some of the discussions/thoughts we've had so far and open a pirate pad for community input. but first let me send out the meeting minutes :) | 13:29 |
lbt | sure | 13:29 |
Frye | And for the record, keep up the good work guys. | 13:30 |
Frye | A small story here. I had a colleague that literally went and ruined my cars painting one day. Have to say we have not been best friends since. If possible I have not even talked to him. | 13:30 |
Frye | However there was this meeting with old colleagues and the organizer asked if I could pick him up or he cannot join the happening. | 13:31 |
Frye | So I did pick him up. Although reluctantly. | 13:31 |
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Frye | We tend to disagree about stuff but at the end it should nout cause such a havoc. | 13:31 |
Frye | And personal disagreements should not be brought up here in the first place. | 13:32 |
Frye | Just my 2c | 13:32 |
Frye | Go make your popcorns ;-) | 13:32 |
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lbt | I'm just mega-impressed at thp for just carrying on working and contributing whilst the tirades keeps coming at him :) | 13:36 |
Frye | Yep. | 13:37 |
Frye | That's what I call professional skill. Work is one thing and personal stuff something else. My hat is off to thp. | 13:37 |
* SK_work grabs popcorn and read the mail | 13:37 | |
Frye | Sometimes the personal stuff is hard or even impossible to put aside ofc. | 13:38 |
jake9xx | SK_work: make that a big bucket. Consider looking at social media also | 13:38 |
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merlin1991 | tbr: what is the status in chum land, where are we currently, what do we need, and are you going to move the u4 packages into the u5 repo? | 13:38 |
SK_work | jake9xx: indeed, considering techcrunch writing a nice article in one week | 13:39 |
SK_work | since filip started to cc this mail to everybody | 13:39 |
* lbt was ill all last week too - I need to kill my work tasks and then look at chum | 13:39 | |
SK_work | I can understand this though | 13:39 |
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tbr | merlin1991: currently my free time is absorbed by other things, sadly. I was hoping lbt or one of the others would take care of that | 13:41 |
lbt | tbr: what needs doing - promotions to latest update? | 13:42 |
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merlin1991 | hmm iirc it's just you and lbt that are involved in chum, are there any others? | 13:43 |
lbt | merlin1991: there's a fair few people 'involved' | 13:43 |
tbr | lbt: mass copypac from u4 to u5:testing (or if we think it will just work directly u5) | 13:44 |
lbt | it's just that some server-side stuff is admin only | 13:44 |
lbt | ok | 13:44 |
tbr | what I did previously was to copypac to the new testing, see if it builds/installs and then promote. testing on select packages | 13:44 |
tbr | as most of the packages are unlikely to break through updates | 13:45 |
tbr | so far! | 13:45 |
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lbt | makes sense | 13:45 |
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coderus | i can't even start plain QAccelerometer to work :| | 13:52 |
coderus | accel = new QAccelerometer(this); | 13:52 |
coderus | accel->setAccelerationMode(QAccelerometer::Combined); | 13:52 |
coderus | accel->start(); | 13:52 |
coderus | accel->start() return false | 13:52 |
lbt | on the device? | 13:53 |
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coderus | sure | 13:53 |
coderus | (accelerometer is working in android apps btw) | 13:54 |
lbt | I use: QAccelerometer m_sensor; m_sensor.start(); | 13:54 |
lbt | QAccelerometerReading *reading = m_sensor.reading(); | 13:54 |
lbt | to use I do: setGravity(reading->x(), reading->y(), reading->z()); | 13:54 |
lbt | I admit I don't test the return value of start() ...... bad lbt | 13:55 |
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coderus | why its not working for me... | 14:01 |
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lbt | coderus: I think the docs mention a little settling time | 14:03 |
coderus | so? | 14:03 |
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coderus | nor qt or qml bindings are working for me | 14:07 |
coderus | lbt: can i test your app? | 14:07 |
lbt | 3D dice :) | 14:08 |
coderus | store? | 14:08 |
lbt | yes | 14:08 |
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coderus | lbt: segfault :D | 14:10 |
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Morpog_Jolla | coderus: works fine here | 14:11 |
lbt | coderus: interesting | 14:11 |
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lbt | but you say it works for android apps | 14:12 |
lbt | done any hacking (kernel, device level, Qt etc) ? | 14:12 |
coderus | no | 14:12 |
lbt | try running csd | 14:14 |
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iekku | kimmoli, lbt: why not, i think it's fair game | 14:15 |
coderus | hm yeah, accelerometer not working anymore | 14:15 |
coderus | not android or sailfish | 14:15 |
coderus | :D | 14:16 |
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lbt | ouch - mail care@ | 14:16 |
SK_work | coderus: care welcomes your device :) | 14:16 |
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lbt | mainly because you can't play 3D dice of course | 14:16 |
SK_work | [16:20] <SK_work> thanks lbt for the mail in SFOS devel ML | 14:20 |
SK_work | lbt: and do you think that downloading 3D dice should be mandatory in this guidelines :P ? | 14:21 |
lbt | of course - you need to stack 20 of each flavour of die before posting a reply | 14:21 |
SK_work | lbt: :S | 14:22 |
* lbt ponders a 'nuke all dice' button | 14:22 | |
SK_work | lbt: are you a big fan of RPGs actually ? | 14:23 |
* SK_work wondered about this question long time ago, but didn't had any opportunity to ask it | 14:24 | |
lbt | I used to AD&D and then did some BG | 14:24 |
SK_work | lbt: because 3D dice can be very useful during D&D | 14:24 |
lbt | Yeah - I just didn't do a d4 yet | 14:25 |
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SK_work | lbt: true that the D4 is missing | 14:25 |
SK_work | and it's missing some mer logos too | 14:25 |
lbt | I guess it could be useful to have a few "use this set (3d6+2d8)" | 14:25 |
lbt | ah - the middle dot of the 1 on the d6 | 14:26 |
SK_work | lbt: thought about a slider to define the number of dices ? | 14:26 |
SK_work | lbt: yeah but put one on each dice :) | 14:26 |
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lbt | I'd worry it'd affect the weighting :D | 14:27 |
lbt | the dice are 'just' blender models too fwiw | 14:27 |
SK_work | lbt: :P | 14:27 |
lbt | I have another thing in the works which takes more blender things and uses them - kinda fun | 14:28 |
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SK_work | lbt: SFOS app ? | 14:28 |
SK_work | or something else ? | 14:28 |
lbt | yes - built around 3D Dice codebase but refined the C++ model a *lot* | 14:29 |
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lbt | uses the same QML/blender/physics/GLES mix | 14:29 |
lbt | I need sound though (and sounds) | 14:30 |
SK_work | :) | 14:30 |
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merlin1991 | lbt about chum, visible to me from irc and the meeting where chum was a topic, it's just you and tbr that work on that anyone else I should know that work on this or are you 2 the publicly visible figures? | 14:32 |
lbt | I think we're the main custodians at the minute. Other people are doing bits here and there | 14:33 |
lbt | it's always a prioritisation thing - can I work on chum or do I need to make something else work | 14:34 |
lbt | I personally don't need chum for my apps at the moment - harbour works - so that doesn't help to raise the prio | 14:34 |
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lbt | also I'm keen to make any technical changes post the OBS update - so that delays chum tasks too | 14:35 |
lbt | also ....*yawn* ... I'm tired :) | 14:35 |
merlin1991 | wasn't the obs update meant to happen sooner than later? | 14:35 |
lbt | yes | 14:36 |
lbt | I've been ill | 14:36 |
merlin1991 | ah sorry | 14:36 |
lbt | np - it happens | 14:36 |
* merlin1991 read that some minutes ago | 14:36 | |
* merlin1991 needs better short term memory | 14:36 | |
lbt | a lot of chum is based on docs too - so other people can dive in | 14:37 |
lbt | the skill there is to build a framework and not a ruleset | 14:37 |
SK_work | lbt: a lot of many stuff is based on docs | 14:37 |
SK_work | (a lot of Qt is based on docs ;)) | 14:37 |
lbt | indeed | 14:37 |
lbt | ok ... afk for a bit o/ | 14:38 |
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Stskeeps | o/ javispedro | 14:59 |
javispedro | hello | 14:59 |
Stskeeps | hello hello | 14:59 |
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SK_work | Morpog_Tablet: hello ! | 15:03 |
SK_work | what tablet did you got ? :) | 15:03 |
Stskeeps | n7 i presume? | 15:03 |
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javispedro | https://github.com/amtep/tojblockd -- you are crazy guys. | 15:07 |
SK_work | Stskeeps: me too | 15:08 |
SK_work | but just asking | 15:08 |
Stskeeps | javispedro: i think 'wizardy' is the word you're looking for. | 15:09 |
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* javispedro failed at that, but I was targeting rw too. | 15:10 | |
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javispedro | <rant>The problem with MTP, as I see, is that it's not in the kernel. So it's subject to the normal user-space cycle of Attention Deficit Teenagers which means it's broken in every other release.</rant> | 15:17 |
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coderus | SK_work: lbt: care, ahah :D | 15:20 |
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Morpog_Jolla | maybe a factory reset helps coderus? | 15:21 |
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coderus | too many apps... :( | 15:22 |
coderus | but i'll probably try it tomorrow | 15:22 |
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coderus | i'm open for any idea | 15:29 |
coderus | s | 15:29 |
coderus | can disassembly device | 15:29 |
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pnX | hi all, quick question: I'm considering buying a used nexus4 for toying around with sailfish. However, http://www.thejollablog.com/early-adapters-sailfish-os-can-now-install-sailfish-os-nexus-4/ states that there is no GSM voice support on nexus4 - does this still hold true? | 15:34 |
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SK_work | sledges: ^ ? | 15:38 |
Loris_ | pnX: you can see here https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris the current state of support...and you can see: GSM is available :) | 15:38 |
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pnX | ok great :) was a big fan of n9 / meego and this seems to become really close to the user experience of said phone. | 15:40 |
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coderus | haha please sorry damn stupid me :D | 15:45 |
coderus | reinstalled sensorfw packages and my accelerometer now working : | 15:45 |
coderus | :D | 15:45 |
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SK_work | coderus: :D | 15:46 |
SK_work | lessons for you | 15:46 |
SK_work | mind writing it to sailfishdev ? | 15:46 |
coderus | yeah | 15:46 |
coderus | too much panic | 15:46 |
coderus | no | 15:46 |
SK_work | accelerometer don't work ? install sensorfw :D | 15:46 |
coderus | :D | 15:47 |
SK_work | well, more seriously | 15:47 |
SK_work | for devs, adding sensorfw as dep don't hurt | 15:47 |
coderus | sensorfw is default packages | 15:48 |
SK_work | coderus: yep, but it can be uninstall, it seems :) | 15:48 |
coderus | it probably was broken somehow | 15:48 |
SK_work | yep | 15:48 |
SK_work | well | 15:48 |
SK_work | anyway, I'm happy that your device isn't broken :) | 15:48 |
SK_work | no care, no reset etc. | 15:48 |
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coderus | lbt: haha i like mer dice :D | 15:49 |
coderus | lbt: please add settings :) | 15:50 |
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SK_work | coderus: tap on the title | 15:51 |
SK_work | (mer dice) | 15:51 |
SK_work | you can add and remove dices | 15:51 |
SK_work | etc. | 15:51 |
SK_work | it's quite awesome | 15:51 |
SK_work | I would prefer sliders to define the number of dices, but it's up to lbt | 15:51 |
Morpog_Tablet | SK_work, I had a n7, but sledges, Stskeeps and co. took too long to adapt sfos to it, so I gifted it to my sister and got myself a dell venue 8 pro now | 15:52 |
SK_work | Morpog_Tablet: :D | 15:52 |
SK_work | Morpog_Tablet: is it a windows tablet ? | 15:52 |
SK_work | like windows RT ? | 15:52 |
Morpog_Tablet | x86 windows | 15:53 |
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Morpog_Tablet | those new atomcpuÅ› are great, unlike the old painfully slow ones | 15:54 |
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Morpog_Tablet | i heard it's hard to get linux on it due to a 32bit efi bootloader | 15:57 |
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SK_work | Morpog_Tablet: :/ | 16:01 |
SK_work | ok | 16:01 |
SK_work | do you enjoy win8 ? | 16:01 |
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javispedro | Morpog_Tablet: problem is that you're either stuck to 32bit Linux or using "noefi" forever | 16:10 |
cos- | idea, don't know if it's new: add checkbox to download beta updates of sailfish os | 16:11 |
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Nicd- | cos-: it's the "developer updates" in the settings I guess | 16:14 |
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cos- | "Access to developer repositories requires special access rights from Jolla" | 16:15 |
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coderus | SK_work: thanks :) | 16:15 |
cos- | i wonder what it is in practice. is it possible to get the access somehow? | 16:16 |
coderus | cos-: sure. ask jolla to hire you :) | 16:16 |
Nicd- | ask nicely :P so far I don't think anyone except jolla employees have access | 16:16 |
SK_work | coderus: :D | 16:17 |
cos- | i was thinking something more like ubuntu's lts and sts releases. | 16:18 |
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coderus | cos-: add mer repo, most of updates comes from there | 16:19 |
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cos- | i was thinking something more officially supported (aka checkbox in settings) | 16:22 |
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TheBootroo_home | jake9xx: hi | 16:24 |
TheBootroo_home | i retried build and deploy to Jolla Phone | 16:24 |
TheBootroo_home | same issue as yesterday | 16:24 |
TheBootroo_home | i removed build dir, restarted MerSDK vm, and hit 'build and run' | 16:25 |
TheBootroo_home | it kinda worked first time, but failed deploy, and know when i try deploy i get http://pastebin.com/Rgp3hnVW | 16:25 |
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jake9xx | TheBootroo_home: looking, tnx | 16:30 |
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jake9xx | ahaa, so it cannot talk to the MerSDK hmm | 16:30 |
jake9xx | can you ssh into it from command line | 16:31 |
jake9xx | and if so, how long does it take? | 16:31 |
jake9xx | i.e. ssh using keys from ~/SailfishOS/... | 16:32 |
TheBootroo_home | i never remember the command for that | 16:33 |
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jake9xx | hold on, we have a page for that :) | 16:36 |
TheBootroo_home | i don't understand why it "can't talk to mer SDK" because it actually build things | 16:36 |
TheBootroo_home | where ? | 16:36 |
jake9xx | like said, hold on I need to check that it's legit | 16:37 |
jake9xx | https://sailfishos.org/develop-faq.html | 16:37 |
jake9xx | look for 'Build Engine' | 16:37 |
Morpog_Tablet | SK_work, well, it's a different solution, metro apps for mobile like controling of device plus desktop for traditional work. I love to access my home network theasy way and all my prefered applications over the last decades are already working | 16:38 |
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TheBootroo_home | jake9xx: i'm in | 16:39 |
TheBootroo_home | as mersdk | 16:39 |
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jake9xx | ok | 16:39 |
jake9xx | switch to 'root' | 16:39 |
jake9xx | sudo bash | 16:39 |
jake9xx | run journalctl -fa | 16:40 |
jake9xx | and now press 'Play' i.e. '|>' in qtc | 16:40 |
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alin | Stskeeps: sledges any public sharable progress on the general guide for porting? | 16:41 |
coderus | shake working now, thanks to everyone :) | 16:41 |
jake9xx | coderus: so I don't need to send you another device :) good | 16:42 |
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coderus | do you have? | 16:44 |
jake9xx | noup | 16:44 |
coderus | ;D | 16:44 |
TheBootroo_home | jake9xx: same issue | 16:44 |
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jake9xx | TheBootroo_home: unable to login? | 16:45 |
jake9xx | ah, but now you got hte journalctl running in mersdk, right? | 16:45 |
TheBootroo_home | yeah | 16:45 |
TheBootroo_home | i retry again and agin | 16:45 |
TheBootroo_home | sometimes, rarely, it works | 16:46 |
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jake9xx | ok, care to paste the journal output somewhere? | 16:47 |
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TheBootroo_home | http://pastebin.com/RbqdYMcS | 16:49 |
jake9xx | tnx | 16:49 |
jake9xx | hmm 'dispatch_protocol_error' | 16:49 |
jake9xx | interesting. I don't get failure but deploy seems to take a long time sometimes | 16:53 |
jake9xx | TheBootroo_home: is this with device or emulator? | 16:54 |
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coderus | jake9xx: i thought its feature | 17:00 |
coderus | http://paste.kde.org/p1ssyxpu2 | 17:00 |
jake9xx | yup, rule that out | 17:06 |
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TheBootroo_home | jake9xx: no idea ? | 17:09 |
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jake9xx | TheBootroo_home: well we can try this | 17:12 |
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jake9xx | 1. login to mersdk and navigate to your project directory (where the main .pro lies) | 17:12 |
jake9xx | 2. run: mb2 -t SailfishOS-i486 -d "SailfishOS Emulator" deploy --pkcon | 17:12 |
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TheBootroo_home | jake9xx: i don't use Emulator | 17:13 |
TheBootroo_home | (too slow compared to my phone) | 17:14 |
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jake9xx | ok, replace "SailfishOS Emulator" with the name you've given your device in QtCreator | 17:15 |
TheBootroo_home | jake9xx: here is a full rebuild from empty build dir http://pastebin.com/TVUSf4ZN | 17:15 |
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TheBootroo_home | jake9xx: Fatal: SailfishOS-armv7hl is an invalid sb2 target | 17:18 |
ziggy42 | Is there a way to make money from a SailfishOS app right now? :D | 17:19 |
coderus | ziggy42: no | 17:21 |
coderus | only via donations | 17:22 |
Nightmare__ | adds? | 17:22 |
ziggy42 | yeah adds would be cool but I can't find a way to add admob iin qml | 17:22 |
ziggy42 | I think this should be a priority for jolla... | 17:23 |
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jake9xx | TheBootroo_home: ok.. I can guess this one | 17:26 |
jake9xx | I'll check them sources, wait a bit | 17:26 |
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jake9xx | TheBootroo_home: I think for some reason you're on the edge of timeout(s) | 17:29 |
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jake9xx | it's hardcoded for 10s, see: https://github.com/sailfish-sdk/sailfish-qtcreator/blob/master/src/tools/merssh/main.cpp | 17:29 |
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jake9xx | 10s timeout sound a bit weird TBH though | 17:30 |
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jake9xx | I'll see if I can do something about it. The MerSSH uses QtCreator's own SSH lib which has a few issues itself... | 17:31 |
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TheBootroo_home | jake9xx: as i can't change mersdk timeout, how can i reduce ssh delays in connection | 17:45 |
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TheBootroo_home | because it wasn't so slow before | 17:46 |
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jake9xx | one thing you could do | 17:47 |
jake9xx | add 127.0.0.01 SailfishSDK to /etc/hosts in your host pc | 17:48 |
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kimmoli | btw, is there any progress on issue where mersdk stops responding once a while and needs to be restarted (win7) | 17:50 |
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Stskeeps | mm? | 17:51 |
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Nc_ | seems this IRC client is not perfectly stable :) | 17:53 |
Stskeeps | perhaps | 17:54 |
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TheBootroo_home | jake9xx: seems to work better with the host trick | 17:59 |
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kimmoli | what would be the preferred way to store data to phone from my app? | 18:01 |
ziggy42 | SQLite? | 18:01 |
TheBootroo_home | kimmoli: i use QtSql module with sqlite file | 18:01 |
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kimmoli | ok, tnx, will have a look at that | 18:01 |
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Nc_ | there are no OS level datastore for apps and/or settings? | 18:02 |
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Nightmare__ | QSettings | 18:03 |
ziggy42 | out of curiosity | 18:04 |
ziggy42 | do you guys minify your js files? | 18:04 |
TheBootroo_home | ziggy42: nope, i want to keep them readable and maintainable | 18:04 |
kimmoli | i use QSettings for "settings", works great for low-amount of data. now need some more. | 18:05 |
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ziggy42 | if you want to keep all in qml/js I use for settings something like the second answer http://askubuntu.com/questions/275953/saving-user-settings-in-qml-js | 18:07 |
ziggy42 | TheBootroo_home: do you think would be useful? | 18:08 |
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ziggy42 | I mean, with a very large js file | 18:09 |
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Nc_ | ziggy42: interesting solution, cheers :) | 18:14 |
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coderus | kimmoli: what kind of data? | 18:17 |
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kimmoli | number and timestamp of each entry | 18:19 |
kimmoli | multiple lists of such | 18:19 |
kimmoli | one table containing list info, and 2nd table containing data+timestamp maybe | 18:20 |
kimmoli | n*2nd table mean then | 18:20 |
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ziggy42 | kimmoli: I think SQLite would be ok | 18:29 |
kimmoli | will have learning curve... | 18:29 |
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coderus | kimmoli: how often data changed? | 18:41 |
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kimmoli | once a day | 18:44 |
kimmoli | or twice | 18:45 |
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coderus | then QSettings wrapper should be enough | 18:46 |
kimmoli | but i also would like the data to be portable | 18:47 |
kimmoli | there might be lots of data, if timeperiod is long, say year or so | 18:48 |
kimmoli | and if there is 5-6 values logged 2 times/day, makes hundreds of entries anyway | 18:49 |
coderus | then sqlite is perfet :) | 18:50 |
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kimmoli | >> again >> :-1: error: Could not connect to MerSDK Virtual Machine. The remote host closed the connection | 18:55 |
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JvD_ | hah.. i just faced the same problem | 19:00 |
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coderus | never had this problem since using chrooted vm :) | 19:01 |
JvD_ | just restarted MerSDK from VirtualBox Manager | 19:02 |
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kimmoli | for me it is enought to restart it through sdk gui | 19:05 |
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jake9xx | TheBootroo_home: that's good news. Sorry, was out (huntign vacuum leaks from my baby) | 19:17 |
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jake9xx | ziggy42: like with obfuscator? | 19:18 |
jake9xx | kimmoli: just explained that MerSDK thingy to TheBootroo_home ; patch 'hosts' file. | 19:18 |
jake9xx | ziggy42: if you want to go on that route, embed all to qrc etc.. | 19:19 |
kimmoli | jake9xx: imo this is different, but give a try to hosts patch | 19:21 |
jake9xx | kimmoli: can you ssh to the VM from cmdline? | 19:22 |
kimmoli | iirc, i havenöt tried when that error occurs | 19:22 |
kimmoli | but yes, in generally i can | 19:22 |
jake9xx | ok | 19:23 |
kimmoli | when this occurs, it comes most often when build fails due typo, i fix it quickly and start build again - at least i feel so | 19:23 |
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jake9xx | hmm, strange | 19:24 |
kimmoli | win7 | 19:24 |
kimmoli | occurs about every 20th build or so | 19:25 |
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kimmoli | i'm so used to it that i dont complain much, but i did took 2 beers so i feel that i need to do some rant | 19:26 |
kimmoli | sorry for that | 19:26 |
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jake9xx | kimmoli: feel free to rant. Actually, come on over, I've got some beers left still ;) | 19:27 |
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gabriel9 | hi, so i have one MainPage with list model. And i have Dialog page in which i want to add something to MainPage | 19:30 |
gabriel9 | i can't see ListModel from MainPage in Dialog | 19:30 |
gabriel9 | Should i create some global JS file with shared model? | 19:30 |
gabriel9 | or there is some other pattern for this | 19:31 |
kimmoli | you can do that in accept-connection of dialog when dialog is accepted | 19:31 |
kimmoli | on mainpage side | 19:31 |
kimmoli | i did made this yesterday, and https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-dialog.html was helpful | 19:32 |
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ziggy42 | Yes, I think "mainpage side" is how this should be done. Of course you could do it also with a js file | 19:32 |
gabriel9 | thanks | 19:33 |
gabriel9 | i missed that push returns some data :) | 19:33 |
gabriel9 | like dialog object | 19:33 |
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kimmoli | one more on SDK, is there way to force "parsing" or what it is called, so that i can see e.g. new exposed class objects on QML side? | 20:02 |
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kimmoli | closing/opening project helps on this, but istinks | 20:03 |
jake9xx | no, qtc runs it's own magic now and then | 20:04 |
jake9xx | you'll see non-properly imported stuff usually underlined with red | 20:04 |
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kimmoli | ok | 20:07 |
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gabriel9 | is there a list of icons in sailfish? From the settings | 20:32 |
gabriel9 | I think i could use some, for my app | 20:32 |
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kimmoli | i did make local copy of those in my pc, and seek suitable with thumbnail gallery ... | 20:33 |
kimmoli | from /usr/share/themes/jolla-ambient/meegotouch/icons/ | 20:34 |
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SfietKonstantin | gabriel9: and invoke them with image://theme/icon-l-stuff | 20:35 |
SfietKonstantin | (without png) | 20:35 |
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uvatvmw | jake9xx, Stskeeps: Do you remember me asking about automating my build? On my non-virtualized dev machine it took 15 minutes to compile my project. Today I started that automation in a ubuntu vm on esx. Its been compiling for the last 5 hours. O_o | 21:19 |
jake9xx | whoa | 21:19 |
uvatvmw | is there a mersdk vm that doesn't depend on virtualbox but can compile for sailfish ? | 21:21 |
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jake9xx | well, what mersdk is, is basically hosting the mer platform sdk | 21:22 |
jake9xx | chroot version | 21:22 |
uvatvmw | hm... I'm going to try this: let me see if I can import the mersdk vm's vdisk into a vmware compatible form, then create a vmware vm out of it. the shared folders will all be broken, but as long as I can get subversion and perl inside it, I should be able to make it all work | 21:25 |
jake9xx | hmm | 21:26 |
jake9xx | do this: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Platform_SDK | 21:26 |
jake9xx | and then download the target from sailfishos.org | 21:26 |
jake9xx | match them together | 21:26 |
jake9xx | and you should have a winner combo | 21:26 |
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uvatvmw | ok I quickly read through that. it wouldn't have the SailfishOS specific libraries / headers would it? | 21:31 |
uvatvmw | oh | 21:31 |
uvatvmw | target from sailfishos.org | 21:31 |
uvatvmw | got it | 21:31 |
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uvatvmw | hacking time. I'll post back with results. | 21:32 |
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kimmoli | ah, enough coding for this evening... sql writes and reads, next to fill listModel with it .. uh.. GN everyone who helped today ;:) | 21:37 |
stephg | hello kimmoli! | 21:38 |
stephg | goodnight kimmoli! | 21:38 |
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merlin1991 | uvatvmw: I have such a setup, it works great | 21:47 |
merlin1991 | I just call mb2 build from inside the mer sdk chroot and all is good | 21:47 |
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uvatvmw | merlin1991: cool! do you have it running in vmware worsktation or esx? or just chroot on dev machine? | 21:59 |
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