Friday, 2014-05-30

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KhertanAtworkMorning09:45
Stskeeps`morn09:45
KhertanAtworkStskeeps, indeed there was many dead but still open ssh session :)09:45
Stskeepshmmm09:45
Stskeepsconnected over wifi?09:46
KhertanAtworkworse ... some over wifi tethering, some over usb ...09:46
KhertanAtwork:)09:46
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Stskeepshmm09:47
KhertanAtworkeverything back to normal after a reboot :)09:47
Stskeepsmaybe we need a keepalive in sshd config09:47
KhertanAtworkhmm yep, maybe but i doubt usage i made this morning was really common :p09:48
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KhertanAtworki ve a little general tech question, i know you guys have always good advices : I ve one app which need to store login/password to auth to a third party service, how could i store it in SailfishOS so it ll not be easy to retrieve (aka not stored in plain text) ...09:50
Nicd-I don't think there's currently any way in Sailfish. but can you use oauth instaed?09:51
KhertanAtworki could crypt using unique id of the phone09:51
Stskeepsit's a bit of a difficult question -- there's the \\09:51
Nicd-or something similar09:51
Stskeepssorry, son typing on my keyboard..09:51
KhertanAtworkNicd-, nope, that the problem09:51
Stskeepsthing that despite what you do, if you have physical access to a device, it's game over anyway, so you could rot13 a password..09:51
KhertanAtworkNicd-, can't modify the third party server, not mine09:51
Stskeepsi mean, to use the password you have to decrypt it anyway, without user putting in the key for the password09:52
KhertanAtworkStskeeps, yeah of course, once there is physical access, even with an unbreakable crypto storage, you can still catch the communication sslstrip ... or something09:52
Stskeepsyeah.. and when we get in how to 'solve it properly' then we need DRM like setup09:53
KhertanAtworkStskeeps, or memory scanning09:53
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Stskeepswhich isn't somewhere we exactly want to go either..09:53
* Aard merges in aegis09:53
Stskeepsnooo09:53
KhertanAtworkStskeeps, indeed :)09:54
Stskeepssomething like a device keyring may not be the worst idea in the world, but ..09:54
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Stskeepsaard can probably tell more :P09:54
phaeronKhertanAtwork: I wanted to reply to your blog post but you don't have commenting :)09:54
Nicd-how does OS X handle the keychain? how about something similar?09:54
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Nicd-I assume they're encrypted with the user's password09:55
KhertanAtworkStskeeps, on the other part keyring is nice to recover information, all information in the same place :)09:55
KhertanAtworkphaeron, yeah i know, i remove all comments some years ago too much responsability in France09:55
KhertanAtworkNicd-, yes09:56
KhertanAtworkStskeeps, i imagine an app can't get the lock password of the phone09:56
KhertanAtwork?09:56
AardKhertanAtwork: Stskeeps: parts of the ability to start something like ssh-agent or keyring are already present, I did some prototyping with ssh agent09:57
Aardso if we want to do that we'd just need to find a bit of time to do it properly09:57
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phaeronKhertanAtwork: ext4 corruption on sdcard probably means your sdcard has IO wear and tear09:58
KhertanAtworkphaeron, that s happen on two sd card (the same models), which are 6 months old (bought it same month than the jolla)09:59
KhertanAtworkphaeron, and one was never used09:59
phaeronKhertanAtwork: ext4 is not a great choice for SSD09:59
phaeronssd / sd09:59
phaeronKhertanAtwork: how cheap / expensive ?10:00
phaeronMTP : https://together.jolla.com/question/10002/alternative-to-mtp-usb-mass-storage/10:00
KhertanAtworkphaeron, was genuine sdhc xc1 32Gb bought at samsung website :)10:01
phaerondid you tell them it was for jolla ? </conspiracy> :D10:02
KhertanAtworkwas using ext4 as some suggest me it here :)10:02
KhertanAtworkphaeron, :)10:02
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* tbr just realized a potential alternative route to file access for some people: CIFS/SMB through SAMBA over usb-gadget-ether. I've seen this actually in a shipping product, when MTP on OSX sucked too bad10:03
KhertanAtworkphaeron, no but the samsung smarttv probably tell it, as it call home samsung with some information gathered on the network10:03
phdeswertbr: should probably not be too hard to add. Mer might actually have samba already10:03
faeniltbr, yeah that was suggested long time ago10:03
Stskeepsproblem is that RNDIS isn't exactly happy on macos x10:04
Aardtbr: I've thought about that before. main reason for not doing: allergic reactions of some operating systems to usb ethernet gadgets10:04
Stskeepseither10:04
phaeronKhertanAtwork: python / extra API support is really really close10:04
KhertanAtworkphaeron, that s a good news10:04
phdeswerRNDIS on OS X is fine with the horndis driver. Just not out of the box.10:04
phdeswerNor is OS X doing MTP out of the box well afaik...10:04
faenil*cough* blackberry10 solution! *cough*10:05
KhertanAtworkphaeron, python support will not be just via PyOtherSide ?10:05
tbryeah, I expected this to have been mentioned10:05
Stskeepsbut could be interesting to study what bb10 di10:05
Stskeepsd10:05
phaeronKhertanAtwork: what else ?10:05
tbrso, who's the first to build samba on OBS for sailfish and submit it to chum?10:05
tbrunless it's already in mer extras...10:05
faenilon bb10 you enable sharing (even via wifi), and then you can connect to it via SMB10:05
Stskeepstbr: another showstopper for samba specifically on a product level being GPLv3 .. ;)10:06
KhertanAtworkphaeron, i ll like to just link to libpython3.410:06
tbrStskeeps: that's why I didn't suggest jolla should ship it. :-þ10:06
phaeronKhertanAtwork: you mean link to the python .so ? why ?!10:06
Stskeepstbr: ah :P10:06
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KhertanAtworkphaeron, because i didn t want to use pyotherside10:06
Stskeepstbr: hrmm.. i wonder idly if you could apply a developer mode like trick to it10:06
Stskeepsor hosted in store10:06
faenilhosted in store should do?10:07
tbrStskeeps: well, as long as jolla doesn't package and maintain it, that might work10:07
phaeronKhertanAtwork: http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/SDCard#Solution_2:_Tuned_ext4 it does need some tuning to not shred the sdcard10:07
Stskeepswell, we distribute a sdk with gplv3 in it10:07
tbrfaenil: how to get around the implications of GPLv310:07
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Stskeepsthat's not the problem10:07
Stskeepsproblem is when it's on a device10:07
KhertanAtworkphaeron, in fact that s a custom pyotherside, which some custom module loading10:07
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Stskeepsand pre-shipped10:07
phaeronKhertanAtwork: can we get the basic use cases first :)10:08
faeniltbr, I meant it as "isn't hosting it in store a good solution?" :)10:08
SK_workKhertanAtwork: embed your custom pyotherside module inside the "launcher" cpp app10:08
KhertanAtworkSK_work, yes10:08
tbrfaenil: ah10:08
KhertanAtworkSK_work, next release will load encrypted py module10:09
SK_workhum ?10:09
SK_workyour own pyotherside version ?10:09
KhertanAtworkSK_work, yes :)10:09
KhertanAtworkSK_work, i ve started it when pyotherside was py3 only, and didn't load python module from QtRessources10:10
KhertanAtworkSK_work, and when pyotherside didn't support thread10:10
KhertanAtworkwhich isn't the case anymore via js callback10:10
SK_workKhertanAtwork: har time for merging isn't it :)10:10
KhertanAtworkSK_work, thp prefer js callback, i prefer threading :)10:11
SK_workKhertanAtwork: :)10:11
SK_workthought about releasing pykhtside ?10:11
SK_workand ask for maintainership10:11
phaerontbr: cifs mount works without samba , right ?10:12
KhertanAtworkSK_work, :) no, i ll probably made a merge request in a near future, but i need to port feature i need :)10:12
KhertanAtworks/made/make10:12
KhertanAtworkso ... rot13, aes using EMEI as key, any other idea for storing passwd ? (which is currently available:))10:14
SK_work:)10:16
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tbrphaeron: samba server on the jolla, not the other way around :)10:27
tbrphaeron: but yes, cifs-mount does not need the server, just some libraries10:28
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phaerontbr: I would think the other way around is better :)10:55
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tbrphaeron: that might be personal preference. with the server running on the phone it would closer emulate the mass storage device experience. The other way around also has other use cases and having a CIFS/SMBFS mounting helper UI would be most certainly beneficial and I'd expect it would find some users.11:15
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faenilphaeron, tbr fwiw, bb10 has server on the phone afaik12:08
phaeronfaenil: just because somoeone does it , doesn't mean it makes sense :)12:08
phaeronimho12:08
phaeronand the gplv3 point still holds12:09
faenilphaeron, it's not about doing it, it's about working :D12:09
faenilisn't that fixed by hosting it on the store?12:09
tbrphaeron: so someone installing gplv3 software on a jolla phone is unacceptable for jolla the company?12:09
tbrthat's mighty surprising news for me12:09
phaerontbr: no having it in store is probably not a problem ( ianal )12:10
faenilgood, so...we should see what people think of the bb10 solution now ;P12:10
phaeronyou guys are quite fast to jump to nice conclusions12:10
faenilunless you want to try both and decide :)12:10
phaeronpersonally I'd rather not touch samba12:11
phaeronsomeone else can have "fun"12:11
tbrnobody said you'd have to?12:11
phaeron:)12:11
SK_workfaenil: can you explain how BB10 solution works ?12:11
SK_workdidn't understood everything here12:12
faenilSK_work, I don't know details, I just know it works with samba, and it works on every system, via USB and via WiFi12:12
SK_workfaenil: via usb, is it recognized as mass storage ?12:13
faenilSK_work, no, you have to connect to it12:13
faenilon linux I put the smb address in the file manager12:13
SK_workfaenil: hum, sounds interesting12:13
faeniland binggo :)12:13
SK_workfaenil: is there mass storage mode on BB10 ?12:14
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faenilSK_work, don't think so12:14
SK_workok :)12:14
faenilsamba is what is used to share files12:14
tbrbecause they had to solve the same problem12:14
SK_workserver on phone don't sound that bad12:14
SK_workfaenil: when plugged, does BB10 behave like an RNDIS device too ?12:15
faeniltbr, exactly, that's why I think it would be a good idea to piggyback to a company who spent MUCH more on it :P12:15
faenil(doesn't meant it's the ideal solution, sure)12:15
faenilSK_work, what do you mean12:15
faenil(I haven't used bb10 since half a year, btw)12:15
tbrfaenil: I just wouldn't attribute the solution to BB. There has been prior art as I said.12:15
SK_workfaenil: when plugged via USB ?12:15
faenilSK_work, don't know12:16
SK_workk12:16
SK_worknp12:16
faeniltbr, sure12:16
tbrdevaamo seems to have some BB devices. I might borrow one in case I need to compare to how they exactly behave.12:17
faeniltbr, SK_work phaeron there's also mass storage it seems12:17
faenilhttp://crackberry.com/how-enable-usb-mass-storage-blackberry-1012:17
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SK_workfaenil: hum ok12:18
faenilit only works with the SD though!12:18
faenilnot with internal memory12:18
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faenil"For example, my parents’ car stereo has a USB connection, so to play some tunes stored on my smartphone all I need to do is turn on USB Mass Storage Mode, plug my BlackBerry Z10 into the car stereo and pick my favorite album."12:19
faenilit exports the sd card12:19
tbrnot surprised12:19
tbryou can do the same with the jolla if you do the leg work12:20
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tbrstill, exclusive access sucks, as the content is only available to one side at a time12:20
tbrand if something goes wrong, it fails in non-obvious ways12:21
phaeronhttps://together.jolla.com/question/10002/alternative-to-mtp-usb-mass-storage/ phdeswer explains it here12:21
tbrexactly12:21
phdeswerfaenil: sd card export works too, but remounting it fails due to the weird mount points.12:22
fluxin principle you could take a read-only snapshot of the data and implement an on-the-fly block server emulator :)12:22
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faenilphaeron, yes read it already12:22
phdeswerfaenil: and that would work perfectly for your music ;)12:22
faenilthat was a quote from BB10's blog btw, it wasn't me ;)12:23
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fluxanother cool thing would be ability to provide ISO images off the web over USB mass storage12:24
fluxnot sure if there are technical unsolved problems with that, though12:24
phdeswerflux: that just needs an adaptation of the method described in the link of phaeron...12:25
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fluxphdeswer, I was thinking if there are potentially issues the boot sequence, otherwise I expect it would work just fine12:26
fluxand the fact that they are CD images, not hdd images12:26
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phdeswerflux: probably not. A loop mount works for them just the same way12:26
fluxand that particular method would still require to first download the first image12:26
fluxso maybe it could be hacked with a fuse http-mount without writing new code12:27
fluxphdeswer, but can you just take an ISO image and dd it to an USB stick and expect to succesfully boot a machine with it?12:27
tbrall newer ISO images, yes12:28
tbrthere are some minor things that need to be set, but most of them are by default OK to be written straight to a block device and booted12:29
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fluxthanks, gotta try that next time I need to non-network-install a machine :)12:33
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phaeronyou guys didn't attend the community meeting ?12:35
phaeron11:06:16 <Aard> as for mtp alternatives: have a look at https://github.com/amtep/tojblockd12:35
phaeronit's a colleague's project. http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2014/mer-meeting.2014-05-22-10.00.log.html12:36
dr_gogeta86i vote for that12:37
phaeronflux's suggestion was close. just had to be sure this was already ok to mention12:37
fluxhaven't seen that before; didn't look the previous meeting logs either..12:37
fluxseems pretty nice!12:38
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fluxall it lacks is using the btrfs snapshotting feature, but the sdcard isn't using btrfs anyway so it wouldn't work for that12:38
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phaeronflux: well you can use anything you want on the sdcard12:39
fluxyep12:39
fluxnot sure if I would want to use btrfs on sdcard though :)12:39
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fluxincorporating write-support to that would be quite a feature - though probably not as useful as it is for reading, so probably not worth the effort12:40
phaeronflux: I think he is working on it already12:41
faenilphaeron, quite a few limitations though :)12:41
faenilnot seeing new files or deleted files...but it's cool12:41
fluxphaeron, well, I think as it is it probably suits 90% of users' needs already, assuming it works ;-)12:41
phaeronit works.12:41
fluxfaenil, well, it cannot really work anyway, the deletion part12:41
fluxor new files part12:42
phaeronthe kernel module will be in the next kernel afaik12:42
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faenilnext kernel as in the next update?12:42
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phdesweryes12:42
phaeronyes. or maybe it was already in12:42
faenilok12:42
fluxthis works perfectly for folks with that USB connector in their HiFi or tv with media player12:43
phdeswerfaenil: but now if you want USB mass storage there is some choice already ;)12:43
faenilflux, don't know how resource-intensive it is to grab a directory tree snapshot12:43
faenilbut at least refreshing it once in a while12:43
fluxfaenil, but it's impossible to know what the client hash cached12:44
fluxs/hash/has/ :)12:44
faenilphdeswer, just getting info, nothing I need atm thanks ;)12:44
coderusnobody has answered me about video recorder :(12:44
faenilflux, mm?12:44
fluxfaenil, for example if it has cached the first block of the directory metadata information and then you update the whole directory metadata, it will result in data corruption from the client's point of view12:44
faenilcoderus, yeah :/12:44
phdeswercoderus: what wast the question?12:44
faenilflux, well the client has to know it has refreshed and act accordingly of course..12:45
coderusphdeswer: changing video configuration12:45
fluxfaenil, and how do you tell it that it has refreshed? I don't think USB mass storage provides a way.12:45
coderusphdeswer: resolution, bitrate and so12:45
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phdeswerflux: faenil : no it doesn't12:45
fluxwell, other than disconnect&reconnect, and that's probably quite disruptive for most clients12:45
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phdeswercoderus: hmm. No idea unfortunately. I'll see if I can find out who knows12:46
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fluxmy guess is that the most likely scenario is that the client has cached all the metadata and no changes ever get visible to the client12:46
faenilflux, don't know, maybe a separate communication with the client?12:46
fluxfaenil, if you already have that, why not use a more suitable protocol to begin with..12:47
faeniljust keep a socket open with the client, and tell it when to refresh the info12:47
fluxyou're not going to get any additional socket support from your car wifi12:47
coderusphdeswer: i emailed to mailing list and to Andrew den Exter12:47
fluxcar hifi even :)12:47
faenilflux, ahhh okay you're talking about those usecases12:47
fluxfaenil, what other use cases are there?-)12:47
faenilI was only thinking about file managers from pc  ;)12:47
fluxthat would be beyond hacky I think12:48
dr_gogeta86Stskeeps, ask faenil how to cook real carbonara12:48
phdeswercoderus: ok. Hope he can answer. If I knew I would tell you.12:48
dr_gogeta86or gricia12:48
faenildr_gogeta86, ahah12:48
fluxyou would also need a special application for each operating system, probably in the driver level12:48
coderusphdeswer: thank you!12:48
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fluxand you already have the rsync/scp/etc option12:48
faenilflux, yeah12:49
fluxwhich, frankly, is much nicer to begin with, you don't need to hook it up anywhere but your wifi, where it probably is already connected12:49
faenilof course12:49
fluxif only it didn't require a scary developer mode to be enabled :)12:49
dr_gogeta86faenil, is not possible to enable multiple device at time12:49
dr_gogeta86like apple do ?12:49
phdeswerflux: is it really that scary!? :)12:49
faenildr_gogeta86, ?12:50
dr_gogeta86ip*12:50
faenilphdeswer, warranty void warning, that's how scaring it is :p12:50
dr_gogeta86expose many usb profiles at time12:50
dr_gogeta86ptp12:50
dr_gogeta86usbmuxd12:50
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faenildon't know12:50
dr_gogeta86and so on12:50
dr_gogeta86is pretty documented12:50
fluxphdeswer, well, you shouldn't need a "developer mode" to just use a phone properly :)12:50
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dr_gogeta86http://www.libimobiledevice.org/12:50
phdeswerfaenil: well I just tried to avoid Jolla being blamed if something goes wrong.12:50
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phdeswerflux: true. To be honest it should be "advanced super power mode for people requiring an extra"12:51
phdeswerdr_gogeta86: exposing many usb profiles is not that hard. Getting different OS'es to understand that is quite an interesting can of worms12:52
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dr_gogeta86i'll be clear12:53
dr_gogeta86I like to have vfat export12:53
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dr_gogeta86but I've also know how many politics related problem comingout12:53
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dr_gogeta86*coming out12:53
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dr_gogeta86Android dictches it while 4.1.x cicle12:54
dr_gogeta86but give out12:54
phdeswerdr_gogeta86: you did notice there are 2 different solutions (with their own drawbacks) out there for that now right?12:54
dr_gogeta86android ptp client for mac12:54
dr_gogeta86unfortunatelly12:54
dr_gogeta86don't works with jolla12:55
dr_gogeta86just fix that12:55
dr_gogeta86I think12:55
dr_gogeta86the problem is reduced by 30%12:55
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dr_gogeta86Thats My very own vision12:55
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dr_gogeta86Personally I'd like to found a secret menu with all kind of sharing protocols12:56
dr_gogeta86afp smb12:56
dr_gogeta86ftp sftp tftp12:56
Stskeepsplan9..12:56
dr_gogeta86bluetooh12:56
dr_gogeta86:-D12:56
dr_gogeta86nfs12:56
phdeswerax25?12:56
dr_gogeta86AFS ....12:56
dr_gogeta86and so on12:57
dr_gogeta86best for user12:57
dr_gogeta86and best for us12:58
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Stskeepsrs232 file transfer, xmodem12:58
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phdeswerdr_gogeta86: well sftp you already have by enabling developer mode, nfs kernel support is  there so you just need to pull in the right bits from mer and configure, smb is pretty much the same, installing an ftp or http server should not be very hard too. So get hacking ;)13:00
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dr_gogeta86Stskeeps, if can we emulate rs232 ... whe can emulate iPod connections ;-) you know ?13:03
Stskeepsheh13:03
Stskeepse13:03
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dr_gogeta86how to debug battery drain13:11
dr_gogeta86i've lost 50% battery13:12
dr_gogeta86from this morning13:12
phdeswertop usually gives you a good idea of which processes might be not sleeping correctly13:12
dr_gogeta86fingerterm ( youdontsay ) sensord connmand mce and last lipstick13:13
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dr_gogeta86sometimes some kernel works are about 4%13:14
dr_gogeta86i don't like them13:14
dr_gogeta86no 19%13:14
dr_gogeta86*now13:14
phdeswerdr_gogeta86: which kernel process?13:14
coderusdr_gogeta86: always check/save journal before reboot13:14
dr_gogeta860:413:14
coderusand check for process errors drainig cpu/memory13:15
dr_gogeta86you are ...:-D13:15
dr_gogeta86i've rebooted13:15
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dr_gogeta86too noise13:17
dr_gogeta86agv over 513:17
dr_gogeta86now is going down13:17
coderusafter reboot every processes prestarting and so13:18
dr_gogeta86i've killed them13:18
coderus:D13:18
coderusmost powerful user ever :D13:18
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dr_gogeta860.7 i/o wait13:19
dr_gogeta86why ?13:19
dr_gogeta863%13:19
dr_gogeta86now13:19
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phaerondr_gogeta86: which android app do you mean for mtp ?13:34
phaeronfor mac13:34
dr_gogeta86directly from google13:34
phaerondr_gogeta86: url please ?13:34
dr_gogeta86http://www.android.com/filetransfer/13:34
phaerondr_gogeta86: thanks.13:36
dr_gogeta86you wellcom13:36
dr_gogeta86e13:36
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KhertanAtworkhow can i got the imei of the device ?13:45
dr_gogeta86about13:48
SK_workdr_gogeta86: API13:48
SK_work:)13:48
SK_workKhertanAtwork: I think maybe some dbus call13:48
SK_worknot sure13:48
SK_workno official API right now13:48
SK_work(at least, not from Qt side)13:48
faenilKhertanAtwork, something tells me you to ask ofono,13:49
faenilbut I'm just saying that out of....don't know :D13:49
Stskeepsqtsysteminfo, or ofono13:50
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phdeswerKhertanAtwork: dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.ofono / org.ofono.Manager.GetModems13:52
phdeswerI think serial there might be the imei13:52
SK_workKhertanAtwork: https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-qml-plugin-systemsettings/blob/master/src/aboutsettings.cpp#L7813:52
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marxistvegancoderus: do you personally have hope that the n9 kernel development will happen so sailfishOS can be updated?13:59
rubdosAnyone here? https://together.jolla.com/question/44155/e-mail-syncs-once-and-then-fails/14:01
phdeswerafaik latest upstream kernel boots on N914:01
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phdeswerJust need all the mysterious crap enabled that systemd needs for Sailfish/nemo14:01
coderusmarxistvegan: well, work in progress. so somehow it will be done :)14:01
faenilwill it?14:01
rubdosI've managed to resync my IMAP by scrolling down the inbox and select the 'load more emails' option. That loads the newest emails... ?!14:02
* rubdos confused :D14:02
faenilVDVsx, ^14:02
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VDVsxrubdos, so what does not work ? scheduled sync ? since you say that manual sync works14:03
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rubdosVDVsx, no I said no sync works14:04
VDVsxrubdos, load more mails, should load old mails, unless your server messes with messages id14:04
rubdosas I mention in that TJC page there, when I add an account, the initial sync does the job14:04
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rubdosbut every sync after it doesn't load more emails14:05
rubdosonly when I select to load more emails, it syncs the newer ones too.14:05
VDVsxrubdos, so, in the pulley menu you select update, what happen ?14:05
rubdosIt says 'updating account' and then goes to "Just now"14:06
rubdoswtf14:06
rubdosnow it did the job...14:06
rubdosI've been trying that pulley menu for about half a month now14:06
rubdosIt's the first time it works?!14:06
rubdosIt always said Updating and then went to "just now"14:07
marxistvegancoderus: well that is encouraging, I would much rather not buy a new phone anytime soon14:07
rubdos(don't know the correct English wordings as it's in German)14:07
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rubdoswithout doing any update...14:07
VDVsxrubdos, it should load only new emails, from "update", i.e newer than the top one,"sync more mails" should load older than the last one14:08
rubdosVDVsx, well, today is the first day it does what the Label says.14:08
DrIDKHello ! where is the bugtracker of sailfishOS ?14:09
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coderusmarxistvegan: well, i dont think it will be done soon :)14:09
rubdosWell yeh, let's just continue studying double integrals then --' Thank you VDVsx, wouldn't know wherefor, but thank you ^^ !14:09
VDVsxrubdos, if load new emails when you do "load more mails", I suspect your server is doing something with the messageIds or you move some new emails inside the inbox14:09
VDVsxrubdos, you can always collect logs if that happens14:10
marxistvegancoderus: is the one on the github the one people are working on?14:10
VDVsxthen we see14:10
rubdosWell, it does load the older emails too now, when I select the load more mails option14:10
marxistvegani saw another mentioned in the maemo forums but without a git referenced and harder to follow the development14:10
rubdosI saw on the thread I mentioned in my post how to collect those logs, I'll try that as soon as it bugs again. If it will. Thank you for your time, VDVsx !14:11
KhertanAtworkphdeswer, SK_work, faenil : thx14:11
VDVsxrubdos, you are welcome14:11
rubdosWell yeh, let's just continue studying double integrals now ^^14:11
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coderusmarxistvegan: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/N9_Kernel_update_project14:16
marxistvegancoderus: sweet thanks...book marked now14:18
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faenilcoderus, I guess what he means by "commit pending to upstream repo"14:28
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faenilthere's no PR made to upstream repo14:28
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rubdosOther question, when going into the settings app -> Apps -> E-mail, the settings-app crashes15:04
rubdosIt just closes itself15:04
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rubdosrunning jolla-settings in terminal gives a segfault15:07
rubdos(after tapping on the e-mail settings)15:08
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VDVsxrubdos, you have a broken sync profile, crash is fixed in next sw release15:10
rubdosVDVsx, okay, can live with that. I'll wait until the new release. Any schedule? Start of June, you said?15:10
VDVsxrubdos, remove the file  /home/nemo/.cache/msyncd/sync/syncemail.xml and everything will be normal again after reboot15:11
rubdoswilco15:11
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VDVsxrubdos, due to that also your email wont sync automatically15:11
rubdosoooh, great15:11
rubdosthat'd explain a lot :)15:11
VDVsxrubdos, did you had a device reboots ?15:12
rubdosYes, I did. At a pretty crucial moment... lol15:12
rubdosHad to take out the battery for a sec or two. Was in the middle of Brussels...15:12
rubdosSo... Rebooting15:13
rubdos(but that was about a week ago, or two)15:13
* rubdos solving an partial differential equation while rebooting Jolla15:14
rubdos(I'm really messing with that /me command --')15:14
VDVsxrubdos, yeah, unfortunately once the file gets corrupted it wont recover, next update will fix that, i.e file will be recovered if user open email settings and file is in bad state15:14
* rubdos doesn't know what third person means15:14
rubdosoh cool15:14
rubdosthe more fixes, the happier I am :D15:14
rubdosYep, I can open the e-mail settings. You're awesome, thank you VDVsx!15:15
VDVsxlots of fixes coming, hopefully nothing breaks :P15:15
rubdoshaha lol :)15:15
rubdosWell. Samsung owners can't speak directly to the Samsung team if their phone acts weird. Gotta love Jolla!15:16
rubdos(back to the equation)15:16
VDVsx:D15:16
leszekhopefully the mail client is getting usable again :P15:16
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VDVsxleszek, still a bit to go, but keeps improving at least :)15:17
leszekmy dream would be a mail client on par with bb10s15:17
leszekif it does not come in a few months I think I will start coding my own one :P15:18
VDVsxthey have much better rendering engine :(15:18
VDVsxleszek, good luck, quite easy task :D15:18
faenil:D15:18
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VDVsxactually I think BB might have best browser engine and best vkb, havent check most recent iOs and windows15:19
VDVsxin mobile15:19
leszekVDVsx: yeah I thought it would be a hard task to program a webbrowser but webcat turned out to be quite fast quite useful and I learned a lot of cool qml hacks. Never coded a webbrowser before. Perhaps I am lucky with an email client aswell :)15:20
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leszekVDVsx: yeah the browser is basically webkit based and they are also using qml but I guess they coded their own stuff in (and it should be based on the far more powerfull qt4 webkit qml bindings)15:20
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faenilBB10's browser UI is HTML5, fwiw15:21
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VDVsxthey have their own webkit fork, not qt one afaik15:21
rubdosMmm, what about imap IDLE, will one of the next updates bring that?15:22
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faenilrubdos, in November I told VDVsx I thought IDLE was a must have :D but it's still not on the TODO it seems :P15:22
VDVsxrubdos, yes, some changes to accounts needed first, those are done now, so next15:23
faenilcool :)15:23
* phdeswer slaps VDVsx for not adapting his TODO list based on community requirements ;)15:23
rubdosSo, update 7 or 8? :D15:23
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faenilrubdos, update7 is the one coming15:23
faenilupdate6/7 together15:23
ziggy42When will we have download stats on harbour dashboard?15:23
VDVsxit can cause many nasty things, not good idea when the environment is not stable enough :)15:24
faenilziggy42, read community meeting log ;) the last one15:24
faenilziggy42, I think it was said it will come in "June"15:24
ziggy42faenil: thank you :)15:24
faenilziggy42, join meetings and ask yourself ;)15:24
faenilhttp://piratepad.net/SailfishOSSMeetings15:25
faenilthat's where you propose topics for the meeting ;)15:25
ziggy42Thanks :)15:26
faenilnp ;)15:26
VDVsxleszek, btw, what you like some much in bb email client ? apart from the better email viewer/rendering :D15:27
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leszekVDVsx: fast switching between mails, show all attachements, searching mails, marking mails, adding mail sender to contacts, removing or moving file to trash marks it read, priority setting for sending mails, formatting mails (html) either create a textonly or text+html mail  ... just a few things that come to my mind15:37
VDVsxleszek, show all attachements( you can also see all in Jolla :) ), priority setting for sending mails (open the 3 dots in composer, priority is there), rest are missing features :)15:39
faenilleszek, no threaded view? :)15:40
Stskeepsthere's been a surprising surge of threaded view requests in the last two weeks15:41
faenilVDVsx, how far is the threaded view in the queue15:41
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Stskeepsi don't have any idea why15:41
faenilStskeeps, cool, the world is with me \o/15:41
leszekfaenil: I don't use that15:41
Morpog_PC__i never use threaded view for emails, never on mobile, never on desktop15:42
faenilowww :(15:42
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Morpog_PC__it's a friggin email client, not a message board :D15:42
Stskeepsi would use threaded view more if it didn't @@$@$@ up significantly in thunderbird15:42
Stskeepsputting unrelated mails underneath eachother15:42
Stskeepslike, totally unrelated15:42
rubdosI use threaded view in TB... :P15:43
rubdoswithout any issues...15:43
leszekVDVsx: show all attachements from all emails was what I meant and I guess this is not possible with the mail client as there is no default filemanager implementation in sailfish yet15:43
VDVsxfaenil, not in next updates at least, first sync stuff and then folder subscription and folder improvements, if I don't get dragged to something else :) (also I don't have a good UI for threads yet :()15:43
faenilVDVsx, I see15:43
VDVsxleszek, ah ok, yeah, they are all inside same folder, but navigation there is not the best15:43
VDVsxwe need a save as for attachments15:44
leszekyeah that would be cool also15:44
M4rtinKthat all goes back to the missing fast-scroll component15:44
VDVsx:P15:44
M4rtinKsame thing in the gallery15:44
VDVsxisn't that coming ? :P15:44
VDVsxthought I see it at t.jc.15:45
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faenilyep15:45
faenilplanned for the coming update15:45
M4rtinKI would expect it "soon"TM :)15:45
faenilM4rtinK, ^15:45
M4rtinKreally ? that would be nice :)15:45
faenilhttps://together.jolla.com/question/43464/next-os-update-in-early-june/15:46
faenil"Enable quick scrolling feature in Sailfish views"15:46
Morpog_PC__I cry if it's not next week :D15:46
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Morpog_PC__I need that folders15:46
faenilahah15:46
faenillet's hope they got rid of all the bugs who blocked up6 release :P15:46
faenilwhich*15:46
VDVsxnow that there are folders, I face the dilemma that dunno what name to give to the app folders :P15:47
Morpog_PC__like always15:47
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Morpog_PC__System, Tools, Media, Social15:47
VDVsxalready have one called "Crap" :P15:48
* faenil REALLY hopes the animation when you open a folder is not that of an attached page15:48
faenilplease no :D15:48
dr_gogeta86https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t1.0-9/10365733_10152166666203932_1185861886374133050_n.jpg15:51
mornfalluh what? :)15:51
Nicd-buttons on the wrong side15:51
Morpog_PC__whats that? looks like a jolla15:51
mornfalljollaberry? :P15:51
faenilit's the BB Z315:51
faenilhttp://sin.stb.s-msn.com/i/69/7B9A1921F9638B18FB2C4DAEFA13.jpg15:52
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Morpog_PC__still, it looks like a jolla :D15:52
sledgeslolla :D15:53
rubdosOh, some other feature I'm waiting for: when can I tell my Jolla to just show me plaintext email instead of rendering the *** html? :P15:53
Morpog_PC__bolla ;)15:53
kimmoli_sailing_just start.forward/reply and you see plaintext and can even copy....15:53
kimmoli_sailing_(thats what i use as workaround)15:54
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rubdosYeh great, but when I open an e-mail, I want HTML to be disabled... Oh yes, as workaround, that should do it. But when can I press the disable button?15:54
Morpog_PC__kimmoli_sailing_, omg, I'm sich an idiot for not having that idea myself..... I soo oftenb wanted to copy stuff from emails15:55
sledgesblabla ;)15:55
rubdoskimmoli_sailing_, where's the reply button? :O15:55
rubdosI only see one when I already opened the email :(15:55
kimmoli_sailing_thats the cost of workaround....15:56
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rubdosoh lol, I want plaintext because of the non-embedded html-pictures that could help spammers and virus-writers... And because I hate the fancyness people tend to put in email...15:57
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dr_gogeta86rubdos, My company enforce html emails by policy15:57
kimmoli_sailing_but.. you'll miss all that fun then15:57
rubdosdr_gogeta86, I'd refuse the job :(15:58
rubdoskimmoli_sailing_, yes, indeed! That's about the reason ;)15:58
dr_gogeta86I can't15:58
rubdosSo, let me guess. Your company enforces HTML in Outlook [insert old version that's vulnerable to XSS in email] ?15:59
rubdoscruel world ;(15:59
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rubdosanyway, ttyl :)16:00
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faenilKhertanAtwork, I think you can get answer here faster :D16:00
faenilhttps://twitter.com/khertan/status/47240699753163571216:00
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VDVsxhis email complains are addressed in next update, both of them :)16:01
faenilVDVsx, whose16:02
Morpog_PC__khertans i guess16:02
VDVsxfaenil, Khertan, thought it was the feedback tweet, so unrelated16:02
faenil;)16:03
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dr_gogeta86rubdos, is a question of image16:24
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coderusthp: is there Crypto.Cipher available for python 2 in Sailfish/Nemo?17:39
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kimmoli_sailingi'm so starting to like tjc "app-development" tag... but i feel kinda alone there18:05
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ln-does this small sample program work for someone, on the phone: https://wiki.libsdl.org/SDL_CreateRenderer18:12
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coderuscan anyone build pycrypto please? :)18:27
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ln-okay, here is the SDL2 sample program together with a Makefile and instructions for building it: https://github.com/lanurmi/sailfish-minimal-sdl19:25
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ln-if someone's having a boring friday evening, it would be nice to hear if that sample works on your phone or not.19:27
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nimmersatthey friends20:28
nimmersattsome weeks ago I asked the questions already20:28
nimmersattand wanted to ask for progress20:28
nimmersatt1st: whenn will we get the Sailfish Launcher for Android?20:29
nimmersattthen: will it be available outside of the google playstore, too?20:29
nimmersatt2nd: I'd like to know if it will be possible someday to get Sailfish OS onto a Fairphone20:30
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nimmersattanyone? :D20:32
kengunot the most active time20:35
cos-i suppose Jolla will announce it when they know it's getting ready20:35
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nimmersattcos-: thanks, okay. I just can't wait :o20:39
faenilnimmersatt, if Fairphone will feature the possibility to unlock the bootloader, and if someone will spend time to get Cyanogenmod working on it, I guess it will have a chance for sailfish20:39
faeniltl;dr -> I think it will happen20:40
faenilabout the launcher, I think I read June somewhere? but I could be confusing it with another feature20:40
nimmersattfaenil: unlock the bootloader?20:40
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faenilnimmersatt, yes20:40
faenilotherwise you can't put anything but its own OS on it20:41
nimmersattwell, fairphone itself would opensource much more if they could20:41
javispedroyou'd be surprised20:41
javispedro(it would not be the first time a "opensource" phone company ships a phone with a locked bootloader)20:42
javispedro*cough*20:42
faenillol20:42
Stskeepsit wasn't shipped with it20:42
Stskeeps:P20:42
Stskeepswell, ok, some devices20:42
faenilxD20:43
javispedroaha! gotya20:43
nimmersattthe phone licenece owner don't opensource the driver for the phone.20:43
nimmersatt*fairphone20:44
Stskeepseven kernel source?20:45
javispedroseems that fairphone uses mediatek20:46
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nimmersattyes mediatek20:46
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slatemtk is far from open20:47
nimmersattyes I think so too. but I want sailfish!20:48
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coderuscan you share me your /opt/alien/system/script/platform_envsetup.sh please :D21:43
coderusi broken my own with timezone fix21:43
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faenilcoderus, http://pastebin.com/t66kdjxZ21:49
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coderusthanks :D21:50
faenilnp :)21:50
coderustz fix from there not working, android apps crashing21:50
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coderusworking only build.prop fix21:50
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faenil"Messages is not responding"21:52
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faenilaaaaaaarghhh21:52
faenilI want to throw it on the floor :(21:52
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