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| KhertanAtwork | Morning | 09:45 |
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| Stskeeps | `morn | 09:45 |
| KhertanAtwork | Stskeeps, indeed there was many dead but still open ssh session :) | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | hmmm | 09:45 |
| Stskeeps | connected over wifi? | 09:46 |
| KhertanAtwork | worse ... some over wifi tethering, some over usb ... | 09:46 |
| KhertanAtwork | :) | 09:46 |
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| Stskeeps | hmm | 09:47 |
| KhertanAtwork | everything back to normal after a reboot :) | 09:47 |
| Stskeeps | maybe we need a keepalive in sshd config | 09:47 |
| KhertanAtwork | hmm yep, maybe but i doubt usage i made this morning was really common :p | 09:48 |
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| KhertanAtwork | i ve a little general tech question, i know you guys have always good advices : I ve one app which need to store login/password to auth to a third party service, how could i store it in SailfishOS so it ll not be easy to retrieve (aka not stored in plain text) ... | 09:50 |
| Nicd- | I don't think there's currently any way in Sailfish. but can you use oauth instaed? | 09:51 |
| KhertanAtwork | i could crypt using unique id of the phone | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | it's a bit of a difficult question -- there's the \\ | 09:51 |
| Nicd- | or something similar | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | sorry, son typing on my keyboard.. | 09:51 |
| KhertanAtwork | Nicd-, nope, that the problem | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | thing that despite what you do, if you have physical access to a device, it's game over anyway, so you could rot13 a password.. | 09:51 |
| KhertanAtwork | Nicd-, can't modify the third party server, not mine | 09:51 |
| Stskeeps | i mean, to use the password you have to decrypt it anyway, without user putting in the key for the password | 09:52 |
| KhertanAtwork | Stskeeps, yeah of course, once there is physical access, even with an unbreakable crypto storage, you can still catch the communication sslstrip ... or something | 09:52 |
| Stskeeps | yeah.. and when we get in how to 'solve it properly' then we need DRM like setup | 09:53 |
| KhertanAtwork | Stskeeps, or memory scanning | 09:53 |
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| Stskeeps | which isn't somewhere we exactly want to go either.. | 09:53 |
| * Aard merges in aegis | 09:53 | |
| Stskeeps | nooo | 09:53 |
| KhertanAtwork | Stskeeps, indeed :) | 09:54 |
| Stskeeps | something like a device keyring may not be the worst idea in the world, but .. | 09:54 |
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| Stskeeps | aard can probably tell more :P | 09:54 |
| phaeron | KhertanAtwork: I wanted to reply to your blog post but you don't have commenting :) | 09:54 |
| Nicd- | how does OS X handle the keychain? how about something similar? | 09:54 |
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| Nicd- | I assume they're encrypted with the user's password | 09:55 |
| KhertanAtwork | Stskeeps, on the other part keyring is nice to recover information, all information in the same place :) | 09:55 |
| KhertanAtwork | phaeron, yeah i know, i remove all comments some years ago too much responsability in France | 09:55 |
| KhertanAtwork | Nicd-, yes | 09:56 |
| KhertanAtwork | Stskeeps, i imagine an app can't get the lock password of the phone | 09:56 |
| KhertanAtwork | ? | 09:56 |
| Aard | KhertanAtwork: Stskeeps: parts of the ability to start something like ssh-agent or keyring are already present, I did some prototyping with ssh agent | 09:57 |
| Aard | so if we want to do that we'd just need to find a bit of time to do it properly | 09:57 |
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| phaeron | KhertanAtwork: ext4 corruption on sdcard probably means your sdcard has IO wear and tear | 09:58 |
| KhertanAtwork | phaeron, that s happen on two sd card (the same models), which are 6 months old (bought it same month than the jolla) | 09:59 |
| KhertanAtwork | phaeron, and one was never used | 09:59 |
| phaeron | KhertanAtwork: ext4 is not a great choice for SSD | 09:59 |
| phaeron | ssd / sd | 09:59 |
| phaeron | KhertanAtwork: how cheap / expensive ? | 10:00 |
| phaeron | MTP : https://together.jolla.com/question/10002/alternative-to-mtp-usb-mass-storage/ | 10:00 |
| KhertanAtwork | phaeron, was genuine sdhc xc1 32Gb bought at samsung website :) | 10:01 |
| phaeron | did you tell them it was for jolla ? </conspiracy> :D | 10:02 |
| KhertanAtwork | was using ext4 as some suggest me it here :) | 10:02 |
| KhertanAtwork | phaeron, :) | 10:02 |
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| * tbr just realized a potential alternative route to file access for some people: CIFS/SMB through SAMBA over usb-gadget-ether. I've seen this actually in a shipping product, when MTP on OSX sucked too bad | 10:03 | |
| KhertanAtwork | phaeron, no but the samsung smarttv probably tell it, as it call home samsung with some information gathered on the network | 10:03 |
| phdeswer | tbr: should probably not be too hard to add. Mer might actually have samba already | 10:03 |
| faenil | tbr, yeah that was suggested long time ago | 10:03 |
| Stskeeps | problem is that RNDIS isn't exactly happy on macos x | 10:04 |
| Aard | tbr: I've thought about that before. main reason for not doing: allergic reactions of some operating systems to usb ethernet gadgets | 10:04 |
| Stskeeps | either | 10:04 |
| phaeron | KhertanAtwork: python / extra API support is really really close | 10:04 |
| KhertanAtwork | phaeron, that s a good news | 10:04 |
| phdeswer | RNDIS on OS X is fine with the horndis driver. Just not out of the box. | 10:04 |
| phdeswer | Nor is OS X doing MTP out of the box well afaik... | 10:04 |
| faenil | *cough* blackberry10 solution! *cough* | 10:05 |
| KhertanAtwork | phaeron, python support will not be just via PyOtherSide ? | 10:05 |
| tbr | yeah, I expected this to have been mentioned | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | but could be interesting to study what bb10 di | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | d | 10:05 |
| phaeron | KhertanAtwork: what else ? | 10:05 |
| tbr | so, who's the first to build samba on OBS for sailfish and submit it to chum? | 10:05 |
| tbr | unless it's already in mer extras... | 10:05 |
| faenil | on bb10 you enable sharing (even via wifi), and then you can connect to it via SMB | 10:05 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: another showstopper for samba specifically on a product level being GPLv3 .. ;) | 10:06 |
| KhertanAtwork | phaeron, i ll like to just link to libpython3.4 | 10:06 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: that's why I didn't suggest jolla should ship it. :-þ | 10:06 |
| phaeron | KhertanAtwork: you mean link to the python .so ? why ?! | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: ah :P | 10:06 |
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| KhertanAtwork | phaeron, because i didn t want to use pyotherside | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | tbr: hrmm.. i wonder idly if you could apply a developer mode like trick to it | 10:06 |
| Stskeeps | or hosted in store | 10:06 |
| faenil | hosted in store should do? | 10:07 |
| tbr | Stskeeps: well, as long as jolla doesn't package and maintain it, that might work | 10:07 |
| phaeron | KhertanAtwork: http://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/SDCard#Solution_2:_Tuned_ext4 it does need some tuning to not shred the sdcard | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | well, we distribute a sdk with gplv3 in it | 10:07 |
| tbr | faenil: how to get around the implications of GPLv3 | 10:07 |
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| Stskeeps | that's not the problem | 10:07 |
| Stskeeps | problem is when it's on a device | 10:07 |
| KhertanAtwork | phaeron, in fact that s a custom pyotherside, which some custom module loading | 10:07 |
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| Stskeeps | and pre-shipped | 10:07 |
| phaeron | KhertanAtwork: can we get the basic use cases first :) | 10:08 |
| faenil | tbr, I meant it as "isn't hosting it in store a good solution?" :) | 10:08 |
| SK_work | KhertanAtwork: embed your custom pyotherside module inside the "launcher" cpp app | 10:08 |
| KhertanAtwork | SK_work, yes | 10:08 |
| tbr | faenil: ah | 10:08 |
| KhertanAtwork | SK_work, next release will load encrypted py module | 10:09 |
| SK_work | hum ? | 10:09 |
| SK_work | your own pyotherside version ? | 10:09 |
| KhertanAtwork | SK_work, yes :) | 10:09 |
| KhertanAtwork | SK_work, i ve started it when pyotherside was py3 only, and didn't load python module from QtRessources | 10:10 |
| KhertanAtwork | SK_work, and when pyotherside didn't support thread | 10:10 |
| KhertanAtwork | which isn't the case anymore via js callback | 10:10 |
| SK_work | KhertanAtwork: har time for merging isn't it :) | 10:10 |
| KhertanAtwork | SK_work, thp prefer js callback, i prefer threading :) | 10:11 |
| SK_work | KhertanAtwork: :) | 10:11 |
| SK_work | thought about releasing pykhtside ? | 10:11 |
| SK_work | and ask for maintainership | 10:11 |
| phaeron | tbr: cifs mount works without samba , right ? | 10:12 |
| KhertanAtwork | SK_work, :) no, i ll probably made a merge request in a near future, but i need to port feature i need :) | 10:12 |
| KhertanAtwork | s/made/make | 10:12 |
| KhertanAtwork | so ... rot13, aes using EMEI as key, any other idea for storing passwd ? (which is currently available:)) | 10:14 |
| SK_work | :) | 10:16 |
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| tbr | phaeron: samba server on the jolla, not the other way around :) | 10:27 |
| tbr | phaeron: but yes, cifs-mount does not need the server, just some libraries | 10:28 |
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| phaeron | tbr: I would think the other way around is better :) | 10:55 |
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| tbr | phaeron: that might be personal preference. with the server running on the phone it would closer emulate the mass storage device experience. The other way around also has other use cases and having a CIFS/SMBFS mounting helper UI would be most certainly beneficial and I'd expect it would find some users. | 11:15 |
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| faenil | phaeron, tbr fwiw, bb10 has server on the phone afaik | 12:08 |
| phaeron | faenil: just because somoeone does it , doesn't mean it makes sense :) | 12:08 |
| phaeron | imho | 12:08 |
| phaeron | and the gplv3 point still holds | 12:09 |
| faenil | phaeron, it's not about doing it, it's about working :D | 12:09 |
| faenil | isn't that fixed by hosting it on the store? | 12:09 |
| tbr | phaeron: so someone installing gplv3 software on a jolla phone is unacceptable for jolla the company? | 12:09 |
| tbr | that's mighty surprising news for me | 12:09 |
| phaeron | tbr: no having it in store is probably not a problem ( ianal ) | 12:10 |
| faenil | good, so...we should see what people think of the bb10 solution now ;P | 12:10 |
| phaeron | you guys are quite fast to jump to nice conclusions | 12:10 |
| faenil | unless you want to try both and decide :) | 12:10 |
| phaeron | personally I'd rather not touch samba | 12:11 |
| phaeron | someone else can have "fun" | 12:11 |
| tbr | nobody said you'd have to? | 12:11 |
| phaeron | :) | 12:11 |
| SK_work | faenil: can you explain how BB10 solution works ? | 12:11 |
| SK_work | didn't understood everything here | 12:12 |
| faenil | SK_work, I don't know details, I just know it works with samba, and it works on every system, via USB and via WiFi | 12:12 |
| SK_work | faenil: via usb, is it recognized as mass storage ? | 12:13 |
| faenil | SK_work, no, you have to connect to it | 12:13 |
| faenil | on linux I put the smb address in the file manager | 12:13 |
| SK_work | faenil: hum, sounds interesting | 12:13 |
| faenil | and binggo :) | 12:13 |
| SK_work | faenil: is there mass storage mode on BB10 ? | 12:14 |
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| faenil | SK_work, don't think so | 12:14 |
| SK_work | ok :) | 12:14 |
| faenil | samba is what is used to share files | 12:14 |
| tbr | because they had to solve the same problem | 12:14 |
| SK_work | server on phone don't sound that bad | 12:14 |
| SK_work | faenil: when plugged, does BB10 behave like an RNDIS device too ? | 12:15 |
| faenil | tbr, exactly, that's why I think it would be a good idea to piggyback to a company who spent MUCH more on it :P | 12:15 |
| faenil | (doesn't meant it's the ideal solution, sure) | 12:15 |
| faenil | SK_work, what do you mean | 12:15 |
| faenil | (I haven't used bb10 since half a year, btw) | 12:15 |
| tbr | faenil: I just wouldn't attribute the solution to BB. There has been prior art as I said. | 12:15 |
| SK_work | faenil: when plugged via USB ? | 12:15 |
| faenil | SK_work, don't know | 12:16 |
| SK_work | k | 12:16 |
| SK_work | np | 12:16 |
| faenil | tbr, sure | 12:16 |
| tbr | devaamo seems to have some BB devices. I might borrow one in case I need to compare to how they exactly behave. | 12:17 |
| faenil | tbr, SK_work phaeron there's also mass storage it seems | 12:17 |
| faenil | http://crackberry.com/how-enable-usb-mass-storage-blackberry-10 | 12:17 |
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| SK_work | faenil: hum ok | 12:18 |
| faenil | it only works with the SD though! | 12:18 |
| faenil | not with internal memory | 12:18 |
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| faenil | "For example, my parents’ car stereo has a USB connection, so to play some tunes stored on my smartphone all I need to do is turn on USB Mass Storage Mode, plug my BlackBerry Z10 into the car stereo and pick my favorite album." | 12:19 |
| faenil | it exports the sd card | 12:19 |
| tbr | not surprised | 12:19 |
| tbr | you can do the same with the jolla if you do the leg work | 12:20 |
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| tbr | still, exclusive access sucks, as the content is only available to one side at a time | 12:20 |
| tbr | and if something goes wrong, it fails in non-obvious ways | 12:21 |
| phaeron | https://together.jolla.com/question/10002/alternative-to-mtp-usb-mass-storage/ phdeswer explains it here | 12:21 |
| tbr | exactly | 12:21 |
| phdeswer | faenil: sd card export works too, but remounting it fails due to the weird mount points. | 12:22 |
| flux | in principle you could take a read-only snapshot of the data and implement an on-the-fly block server emulator :) | 12:22 |
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| faenil | phaeron, yes read it already | 12:22 |
| phdeswer | faenil: and that would work perfectly for your music ;) | 12:22 |
| faenil | that was a quote from BB10's blog btw, it wasn't me ;) | 12:23 |
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| flux | another cool thing would be ability to provide ISO images off the web over USB mass storage | 12:24 |
| flux | not sure if there are technical unsolved problems with that, though | 12:24 |
| phdeswer | flux: that just needs an adaptation of the method described in the link of phaeron... | 12:25 |
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| flux | phdeswer, I was thinking if there are potentially issues the boot sequence, otherwise I expect it would work just fine | 12:26 |
| flux | and the fact that they are CD images, not hdd images | 12:26 |
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| phdeswer | flux: probably not. A loop mount works for them just the same way | 12:26 |
| flux | and that particular method would still require to first download the first image | 12:26 |
| flux | so maybe it could be hacked with a fuse http-mount without writing new code | 12:27 |
| flux | phdeswer, but can you just take an ISO image and dd it to an USB stick and expect to succesfully boot a machine with it? | 12:27 |
| tbr | all newer ISO images, yes | 12:28 |
| tbr | there are some minor things that need to be set, but most of them are by default OK to be written straight to a block device and booted | 12:29 |
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| flux | thanks, gotta try that next time I need to non-network-install a machine :) | 12:33 |
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| phaeron | you guys didn't attend the community meeting ? | 12:35 |
| phaeron | 11:06:16 <Aard> as for mtp alternatives: have a look at https://github.com/amtep/tojblockd | 12:35 |
| phaeron | it's a colleague's project. http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2014/mer-meeting.2014-05-22-10.00.log.html | 12:36 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i vote for that | 12:37 |
| phaeron | flux's suggestion was close. just had to be sure this was already ok to mention | 12:37 |
| flux | haven't seen that before; didn't look the previous meeting logs either.. | 12:37 |
| flux | seems pretty nice! | 12:38 |
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| flux | all it lacks is using the btrfs snapshotting feature, but the sdcard isn't using btrfs anyway so it wouldn't work for that | 12:38 |
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| phaeron | flux: well you can use anything you want on the sdcard | 12:39 |
| flux | yep | 12:39 |
| flux | not sure if I would want to use btrfs on sdcard though :) | 12:39 |
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| flux | incorporating write-support to that would be quite a feature - though probably not as useful as it is for reading, so probably not worth the effort | 12:40 |
| phaeron | flux: I think he is working on it already | 12:41 |
| faenil | phaeron, quite a few limitations though :) | 12:41 |
| faenil | not seeing new files or deleted files...but it's cool | 12:41 |
| flux | phaeron, well, I think as it is it probably suits 90% of users' needs already, assuming it works ;-) | 12:41 |
| phaeron | it works. | 12:41 |
| flux | faenil, well, it cannot really work anyway, the deletion part | 12:41 |
| flux | or new files part | 12:42 |
| phaeron | the kernel module will be in the next kernel afaik | 12:42 |
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| faenil | next kernel as in the next update? | 12:42 |
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| phdeswer | yes | 12:42 |
| phaeron | yes. or maybe it was already in | 12:42 |
| faenil | ok | 12:42 |
| flux | this works perfectly for folks with that USB connector in their HiFi or tv with media player | 12:43 |
| phdeswer | faenil: but now if you want USB mass storage there is some choice already ;) | 12:43 |
| faenil | flux, don't know how resource-intensive it is to grab a directory tree snapshot | 12:43 |
| faenil | but at least refreshing it once in a while | 12:43 |
| flux | faenil, but it's impossible to know what the client hash cached | 12:44 |
| flux | s/hash/has/ :) | 12:44 |
| faenil | phdeswer, just getting info, nothing I need atm thanks ;) | 12:44 |
| coderus | nobody has answered me about video recorder :( | 12:44 |
| faenil | flux, mm? | 12:44 |
| flux | faenil, for example if it has cached the first block of the directory metadata information and then you update the whole directory metadata, it will result in data corruption from the client's point of view | 12:44 |
| faenil | coderus, yeah :/ | 12:44 |
| phdeswer | coderus: what wast the question? | 12:44 |
| faenil | flux, well the client has to know it has refreshed and act accordingly of course.. | 12:45 |
| coderus | phdeswer: changing video configuration | 12:45 |
| flux | faenil, and how do you tell it that it has refreshed? I don't think USB mass storage provides a way. | 12:45 |
| coderus | phdeswer: resolution, bitrate and so | 12:45 |
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| phdeswer | flux: faenil : no it doesn't | 12:45 |
| flux | well, other than disconnect&reconnect, and that's probably quite disruptive for most clients | 12:45 |
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| phdeswer | coderus: hmm. No idea unfortunately. I'll see if I can find out who knows | 12:46 |
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| flux | my guess is that the most likely scenario is that the client has cached all the metadata and no changes ever get visible to the client | 12:46 |
| faenil | flux, don't know, maybe a separate communication with the client? | 12:46 |
| flux | faenil, if you already have that, why not use a more suitable protocol to begin with.. | 12:47 |
| faenil | just keep a socket open with the client, and tell it when to refresh the info | 12:47 |
| flux | you're not going to get any additional socket support from your car wifi | 12:47 |
| coderus | phdeswer: i emailed to mailing list and to Andrew den Exter | 12:47 |
| flux | car hifi even :) | 12:47 |
| faenil | flux, ahhh okay you're talking about those usecases | 12:47 |
| flux | faenil, what other use cases are there?-) | 12:47 |
| faenil | I was only thinking about file managers from pc ;) | 12:47 |
| flux | that would be beyond hacky I think | 12:48 |
| dr_gogeta86 | Stskeeps, ask faenil how to cook real carbonara | 12:48 |
| phdeswer | coderus: ok. Hope he can answer. If I knew I would tell you. | 12:48 |
| dr_gogeta86 | or gricia | 12:48 |
| faenil | dr_gogeta86, ahah | 12:48 |
| flux | you would also need a special application for each operating system, probably in the driver level | 12:48 |
| coderus | phdeswer: thank you! | 12:48 |
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| flux | and you already have the rsync/scp/etc option | 12:48 |
| faenil | flux, yeah | 12:49 |
| flux | which, frankly, is much nicer to begin with, you don't need to hook it up anywhere but your wifi, where it probably is already connected | 12:49 |
| faenil | of course | 12:49 |
| flux | if only it didn't require a scary developer mode to be enabled :) | 12:49 |
| dr_gogeta86 | faenil, is not possible to enable multiple device at time | 12:49 |
| dr_gogeta86 | like apple do ? | 12:49 |
| phdeswer | flux: is it really that scary!? :) | 12:49 |
| faenil | dr_gogeta86, ? | 12:50 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ip* | 12:50 |
| faenil | phdeswer, warranty void warning, that's how scaring it is :p | 12:50 |
| dr_gogeta86 | expose many usb profiles at time | 12:50 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ptp | 12:50 |
| dr_gogeta86 | usbmuxd | 12:50 |
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| faenil | don't know | 12:50 |
| dr_gogeta86 | and so on | 12:50 |
| dr_gogeta86 | is pretty documented | 12:50 |
| flux | phdeswer, well, you shouldn't need a "developer mode" to just use a phone properly :) | 12:50 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | http://www.libimobiledevice.org/ | 12:50 |
| phdeswer | faenil: well I just tried to avoid Jolla being blamed if something goes wrong. | 12:50 |
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| phdeswer | flux: true. To be honest it should be "advanced super power mode for people requiring an extra" | 12:51 |
| phdeswer | dr_gogeta86: exposing many usb profiles is not that hard. Getting different OS'es to understand that is quite an interesting can of worms | 12:52 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | i'll be clear | 12:53 |
| dr_gogeta86 | I like to have vfat export | 12:53 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | but I've also know how many politics related problem comingout | 12:53 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | *coming out | 12:53 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | Android dictches it while 4.1.x cicle | 12:54 |
| dr_gogeta86 | but give out | 12:54 |
| phdeswer | dr_gogeta86: you did notice there are 2 different solutions (with their own drawbacks) out there for that now right? | 12:54 |
| dr_gogeta86 | android ptp client for mac | 12:54 |
| dr_gogeta86 | unfortunatelly | 12:54 |
| dr_gogeta86 | don't works with jolla | 12:55 |
| dr_gogeta86 | just fix that | 12:55 |
| dr_gogeta86 | I think | 12:55 |
| dr_gogeta86 | the problem is reduced by 30% | 12:55 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | Thats My very own vision | 12:55 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | Personally I'd like to found a secret menu with all kind of sharing protocols | 12:56 |
| dr_gogeta86 | afp smb | 12:56 |
| dr_gogeta86 | ftp sftp tftp | 12:56 |
| Stskeeps | plan9.. | 12:56 |
| dr_gogeta86 | bluetooh | 12:56 |
| dr_gogeta86 | :-D | 12:56 |
| dr_gogeta86 | nfs | 12:56 |
| phdeswer | ax25? | 12:56 |
| dr_gogeta86 | AFS .... | 12:56 |
| dr_gogeta86 | and so on | 12:57 |
| dr_gogeta86 | best for user | 12:57 |
| dr_gogeta86 | and best for us | 12:58 |
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| Stskeeps | rs232 file transfer, xmodem | 12:58 |
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| phdeswer | dr_gogeta86: well sftp you already have by enabling developer mode, nfs kernel support is there so you just need to pull in the right bits from mer and configure, smb is pretty much the same, installing an ftp or http server should not be very hard too. So get hacking ;) | 13:00 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | Stskeeps, if can we emulate rs232 ... whe can emulate iPod connections ;-) you know ? | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 13:03 |
| Stskeeps | e | 13:03 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | how to debug battery drain | 13:11 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i've lost 50% battery | 13:12 |
| dr_gogeta86 | from this morning | 13:12 |
| phdeswer | top usually gives you a good idea of which processes might be not sleeping correctly | 13:12 |
| dr_gogeta86 | fingerterm ( youdontsay ) sensord connmand mce and last lipstick | 13:13 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | sometimes some kernel works are about 4% | 13:14 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i don't like them | 13:14 |
| dr_gogeta86 | no 19% | 13:14 |
| dr_gogeta86 | *now | 13:14 |
| phdeswer | dr_gogeta86: which kernel process? | 13:14 |
| coderus | dr_gogeta86: always check/save journal before reboot | 13:14 |
| dr_gogeta86 | 0:4 | 13:14 |
| coderus | and check for process errors drainig cpu/memory | 13:15 |
| dr_gogeta86 | you are ...:-D | 13:15 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i've rebooted | 13:15 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | too noise | 13:17 |
| dr_gogeta86 | agv over 5 | 13:17 |
| dr_gogeta86 | now is going down | 13:17 |
| coderus | after reboot every processes prestarting and so | 13:18 |
| dr_gogeta86 | i've killed them | 13:18 |
| coderus | :D | 13:18 |
| coderus | most powerful user ever :D | 13:18 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | 0.7 i/o wait | 13:19 |
| dr_gogeta86 | why ? | 13:19 |
| dr_gogeta86 | 3% | 13:19 |
| dr_gogeta86 | now | 13:19 |
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| phaeron | dr_gogeta86: which android app do you mean for mtp ? | 13:34 |
| phaeron | for mac | 13:34 |
| dr_gogeta86 | directly from google | 13:34 |
| phaeron | dr_gogeta86: url please ? | 13:34 |
| dr_gogeta86 | http://www.android.com/filetransfer/ | 13:34 |
| phaeron | dr_gogeta86: thanks. | 13:36 |
| dr_gogeta86 | you wellcom | 13:36 |
| dr_gogeta86 | e | 13:36 |
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| KhertanAtwork | how can i got the imei of the device ? | 13:45 |
| dr_gogeta86 | about | 13:48 |
| SK_work | dr_gogeta86: API | 13:48 |
| SK_work | :) | 13:48 |
| SK_work | KhertanAtwork: I think maybe some dbus call | 13:48 |
| SK_work | not sure | 13:48 |
| SK_work | no official API right now | 13:48 |
| SK_work | (at least, not from Qt side) | 13:48 |
| faenil | KhertanAtwork, something tells me you to ask ofono, | 13:49 |
| faenil | but I'm just saying that out of....don't know :D | 13:49 |
| Stskeeps | qtsysteminfo, or ofono | 13:50 |
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| phdeswer | KhertanAtwork: dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=org.ofono / org.ofono.Manager.GetModems | 13:52 |
| phdeswer | I think serial there might be the imei | 13:52 |
| SK_work | KhertanAtwork: https://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-qml-plugin-systemsettings/blob/master/src/aboutsettings.cpp#L78 | 13:52 |
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| marxistvegan | coderus: do you personally have hope that the n9 kernel development will happen so sailfishOS can be updated? | 13:59 |
| rubdos | Anyone here? https://together.jolla.com/question/44155/e-mail-syncs-once-and-then-fails/ | 14:01 |
| phdeswer | afaik latest upstream kernel boots on N9 | 14:01 |
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| phdeswer | Just need all the mysterious crap enabled that systemd needs for Sailfish/nemo | 14:01 |
| coderus | marxistvegan: well, work in progress. so somehow it will be done :) | 14:01 |
| faenil | will it? | 14:01 |
| rubdos | I've managed to resync my IMAP by scrolling down the inbox and select the 'load more emails' option. That loads the newest emails... ?! | 14:02 |
| * rubdos confused :D | 14:02 | |
| faenil | VDVsx, ^ | 14:02 |
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| VDVsx | rubdos, so what does not work ? scheduled sync ? since you say that manual sync works | 14:03 |
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| rubdos | VDVsx, no I said no sync works | 14:04 |
| VDVsx | rubdos, load more mails, should load old mails, unless your server messes with messages id | 14:04 |
| rubdos | as I mention in that TJC page there, when I add an account, the initial sync does the job | 14:04 |
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| rubdos | but every sync after it doesn't load more emails | 14:05 |
| rubdos | only when I select to load more emails, it syncs the newer ones too. | 14:05 |
| VDVsx | rubdos, so, in the pulley menu you select update, what happen ? | 14:05 |
| rubdos | It says 'updating account' and then goes to "Just now" | 14:06 |
| rubdos | wtf | 14:06 |
| rubdos | now it did the job... | 14:06 |
| rubdos | I've been trying that pulley menu for about half a month now | 14:06 |
| rubdos | It's the first time it works?! | 14:06 |
| rubdos | It always said Updating and then went to "just now" | 14:07 |
| marxistvegan | coderus: well that is encouraging, I would much rather not buy a new phone anytime soon | 14:07 |
| rubdos | (don't know the correct English wordings as it's in German) | 14:07 |
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| rubdos | without doing any update... | 14:07 |
| VDVsx | rubdos, it should load only new emails, from "update", i.e newer than the top one,"sync more mails" should load older than the last one | 14:08 |
| rubdos | VDVsx, well, today is the first day it does what the Label says. | 14:08 |
| DrIDK | Hello ! where is the bugtracker of sailfishOS ? | 14:09 |
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| coderus | marxistvegan: well, i dont think it will be done soon :) | 14:09 |
| rubdos | Well yeh, let's just continue studying double integrals then --' Thank you VDVsx, wouldn't know wherefor, but thank you ^^ ! | 14:09 |
| VDVsx | rubdos, if load new emails when you do "load more mails", I suspect your server is doing something with the messageIds or you move some new emails inside the inbox | 14:09 |
| VDVsx | rubdos, you can always collect logs if that happens | 14:10 |
| marxistvegan | coderus: is the one on the github the one people are working on? | 14:10 |
| VDVsx | then we see | 14:10 |
| rubdos | Well, it does load the older emails too now, when I select the load more mails option | 14:10 |
| marxistvegan | i saw another mentioned in the maemo forums but without a git referenced and harder to follow the development | 14:10 |
| rubdos | I saw on the thread I mentioned in my post how to collect those logs, I'll try that as soon as it bugs again. If it will. Thank you for your time, VDVsx ! | 14:11 |
| KhertanAtwork | phdeswer, SK_work, faenil : thx | 14:11 |
| VDVsx | rubdos, you are welcome | 14:11 |
| rubdos | Well yeh, let's just continue studying double integrals now ^^ | 14:11 |
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| coderus | marxistvegan: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/N9_Kernel_update_project | 14:16 |
| marxistvegan | coderus: sweet thanks...book marked now | 14:18 |
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| faenil | coderus, I guess what he means by "commit pending to upstream repo" | 14:28 |
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| faenil | there's no PR made to upstream repo | 14:28 |
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| rubdos | Other question, when going into the settings app -> Apps -> E-mail, the settings-app crashes | 15:04 |
| rubdos | It just closes itself | 15:04 |
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| rubdos | running jolla-settings in terminal gives a segfault | 15:07 |
| rubdos | (after tapping on the e-mail settings) | 15:08 |
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| VDVsx | rubdos, you have a broken sync profile, crash is fixed in next sw release | 15:10 |
| rubdos | VDVsx, okay, can live with that. I'll wait until the new release. Any schedule? Start of June, you said? | 15:10 |
| VDVsx | rubdos, remove the file /home/nemo/.cache/msyncd/sync/syncemail.xml and everything will be normal again after reboot | 15:11 |
| rubdos | wilco | 15:11 |
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| VDVsx | rubdos, due to that also your email wont sync automatically | 15:11 |
| rubdos | oooh, great | 15:11 |
| rubdos | that'd explain a lot :) | 15:11 |
| VDVsx | rubdos, did you had a device reboots ? | 15:12 |
| rubdos | Yes, I did. At a pretty crucial moment... lol | 15:12 |
| rubdos | Had to take out the battery for a sec or two. Was in the middle of Brussels... | 15:12 |
| rubdos | So... Rebooting | 15:13 |
| rubdos | (but that was about a week ago, or two) | 15:13 |
| * rubdos solving an partial differential equation while rebooting Jolla | 15:14 | |
| rubdos | (I'm really messing with that /me command --') | 15:14 |
| VDVsx | rubdos, yeah, unfortunately once the file gets corrupted it wont recover, next update will fix that, i.e file will be recovered if user open email settings and file is in bad state | 15:14 |
| * rubdos doesn't know what third person means | 15:14 | |
| rubdos | oh cool | 15:14 |
| rubdos | the more fixes, the happier I am :D | 15:14 |
| rubdos | Yep, I can open the e-mail settings. You're awesome, thank you VDVsx! | 15:15 |
| VDVsx | lots of fixes coming, hopefully nothing breaks :P | 15:15 |
| rubdos | haha lol :) | 15:15 |
| rubdos | Well. Samsung owners can't speak directly to the Samsung team if their phone acts weird. Gotta love Jolla! | 15:16 |
| rubdos | (back to the equation) | 15:16 |
| VDVsx | :D | 15:16 |
| leszek | hopefully the mail client is getting usable again :P | 15:16 |
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| VDVsx | leszek, still a bit to go, but keeps improving at least :) | 15:17 |
| leszek | my dream would be a mail client on par with bb10s | 15:17 |
| leszek | if it does not come in a few months I think I will start coding my own one :P | 15:18 |
| VDVsx | they have much better rendering engine :( | 15:18 |
| VDVsx | leszek, good luck, quite easy task :D | 15:18 |
| faenil | :D | 15:18 |
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| VDVsx | actually I think BB might have best browser engine and best vkb, havent check most recent iOs and windows | 15:19 |
| VDVsx | in mobile | 15:19 |
| leszek | VDVsx: yeah I thought it would be a hard task to program a webbrowser but webcat turned out to be quite fast quite useful and I learned a lot of cool qml hacks. Never coded a webbrowser before. Perhaps I am lucky with an email client aswell :) | 15:20 |
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| leszek | VDVsx: yeah the browser is basically webkit based and they are also using qml but I guess they coded their own stuff in (and it should be based on the far more powerfull qt4 webkit qml bindings) | 15:20 |
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| faenil | BB10's browser UI is HTML5, fwiw | 15:21 |
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| VDVsx | they have their own webkit fork, not qt one afaik | 15:21 |
| rubdos | Mmm, what about imap IDLE, will one of the next updates bring that? | 15:22 |
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| faenil | rubdos, in November I told VDVsx I thought IDLE was a must have :D but it's still not on the TODO it seems :P | 15:22 |
| VDVsx | rubdos, yes, some changes to accounts needed first, those are done now, so next | 15:23 |
| faenil | cool :) | 15:23 |
| * phdeswer slaps VDVsx for not adapting his TODO list based on community requirements ;) | 15:23 | |
| rubdos | So, update 7 or 8? :D | 15:23 |
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| faenil | rubdos, update7 is the one coming | 15:23 |
| faenil | update6/7 together | 15:23 |
| ziggy42 | When will we have download stats on harbour dashboard? | 15:23 |
| VDVsx | it can cause many nasty things, not good idea when the environment is not stable enough :) | 15:24 |
| faenil | ziggy42, read community meeting log ;) the last one | 15:24 |
| faenil | ziggy42, I think it was said it will come in "June" | 15:24 |
| ziggy42 | faenil: thank you :) | 15:24 |
| faenil | ziggy42, join meetings and ask yourself ;) | 15:24 |
| faenil | http://piratepad.net/SailfishOSSMeetings | 15:25 |
| faenil | that's where you propose topics for the meeting ;) | 15:25 |
| ziggy42 | Thanks :) | 15:26 |
| faenil | np ;) | 15:26 |
| VDVsx | leszek, btw, what you like some much in bb email client ? apart from the better email viewer/rendering :D | 15:27 |
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| leszek | VDVsx: fast switching between mails, show all attachements, searching mails, marking mails, adding mail sender to contacts, removing or moving file to trash marks it read, priority setting for sending mails, formatting mails (html) either create a textonly or text+html mail ... just a few things that come to my mind | 15:37 |
| VDVsx | leszek, show all attachements( you can also see all in Jolla :) ), priority setting for sending mails (open the 3 dots in composer, priority is there), rest are missing features :) | 15:39 |
| faenil | leszek, no threaded view? :) | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | there's been a surprising surge of threaded view requests in the last two weeks | 15:41 |
| faenil | VDVsx, how far is the threaded view in the queue | 15:41 |
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| Stskeeps | i don't have any idea why | 15:41 |
| faenil | Stskeeps, cool, the world is with me \o/ | 15:41 |
| leszek | faenil: I don't use that | 15:41 |
| Morpog_PC__ | i never use threaded view for emails, never on mobile, never on desktop | 15:42 |
| faenil | owww :( | 15:42 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | it's a friggin email client, not a message board :D | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | i would use threaded view more if it didn't @@$@$@ up significantly in thunderbird | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | putting unrelated mails underneath eachother | 15:42 |
| Stskeeps | like, totally unrelated | 15:42 |
| rubdos | I use threaded view in TB... :P | 15:43 |
| rubdos | without any issues... | 15:43 |
| leszek | VDVsx: show all attachements from all emails was what I meant and I guess this is not possible with the mail client as there is no default filemanager implementation in sailfish yet | 15:43 |
| VDVsx | faenil, not in next updates at least, first sync stuff and then folder subscription and folder improvements, if I don't get dragged to something else :) (also I don't have a good UI for threads yet :() | 15:43 |
| faenil | VDVsx, I see | 15:43 |
| VDVsx | leszek, ah ok, yeah, they are all inside same folder, but navigation there is not the best | 15:43 |
| VDVsx | we need a save as for attachments | 15:44 |
| leszek | yeah that would be cool also | 15:44 |
| M4rtinK | that all goes back to the missing fast-scroll component | 15:44 |
| VDVsx | :P | 15:44 |
| M4rtinK | same thing in the gallery | 15:44 |
| VDVsx | isn't that coming ? :P | 15:44 |
| VDVsx | thought I see it at t.jc. | 15:45 |
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| faenil | yep | 15:45 |
| faenil | planned for the coming update | 15:45 |
| M4rtinK | I would expect it "soon"TM :) | 15:45 |
| faenil | M4rtinK, ^ | 15:45 |
| M4rtinK | really ? that would be nice :) | 15:45 |
| faenil | https://together.jolla.com/question/43464/next-os-update-in-early-june/ | 15:46 |
| faenil | "Enable quick scrolling feature in Sailfish views" | 15:46 |
| Morpog_PC__ | I cry if it's not next week :D | 15:46 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | I need that folders | 15:46 |
| faenil | ahah | 15:46 |
| faenil | let's hope they got rid of all the bugs who blocked up6 release :P | 15:46 |
| faenil | which* | 15:46 |
| VDVsx | now that there are folders, I face the dilemma that dunno what name to give to the app folders :P | 15:47 |
| Morpog_PC__ | like always | 15:47 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | System, Tools, Media, Social | 15:47 |
| VDVsx | already have one called "Crap" :P | 15:48 |
| * faenil REALLY hopes the animation when you open a folder is not that of an attached page | 15:48 | |
| faenil | please no :D | 15:48 |
| dr_gogeta86 | https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t1.0-9/10365733_10152166666203932_1185861886374133050_n.jpg | 15:51 |
| mornfall | uh what? :) | 15:51 |
| Nicd- | buttons on the wrong side | 15:51 |
| Morpog_PC__ | whats that? looks like a jolla | 15:51 |
| mornfall | jollaberry? :P | 15:51 |
| faenil | it's the BB Z3 | 15:51 |
| faenil | http://sin.stb.s-msn.com/i/69/7B9A1921F9638B18FB2C4DAEFA13.jpg | 15:52 |
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| Morpog_PC__ | still, it looks like a jolla :D | 15:52 |
| sledges | lolla :D | 15:53 |
| rubdos | Oh, some other feature I'm waiting for: when can I tell my Jolla to just show me plaintext email instead of rendering the *** html? :P | 15:53 |
| Morpog_PC__ | bolla ;) | 15:53 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | just start.forward/reply and you see plaintext and can even copy.... | 15:53 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | (thats what i use as workaround) | 15:54 |
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| rubdos | Yeh great, but when I open an e-mail, I want HTML to be disabled... Oh yes, as workaround, that should do it. But when can I press the disable button? | 15:54 |
| Morpog_PC__ | kimmoli_sailing_, omg, I'm sich an idiot for not having that idea myself..... I soo oftenb wanted to copy stuff from emails | 15:55 |
| sledges | blabla ;) | 15:55 |
| rubdos | kimmoli_sailing_, where's the reply button? :O | 15:55 |
| rubdos | I only see one when I already opened the email :( | 15:55 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | thats the cost of workaround.... | 15:56 |
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| rubdos | oh lol, I want plaintext because of the non-embedded html-pictures that could help spammers and virus-writers... And because I hate the fancyness people tend to put in email... | 15:57 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | rubdos, My company enforce html emails by policy | 15:57 |
| kimmoli_sailing_ | but.. you'll miss all that fun then | 15:57 |
| rubdos | dr_gogeta86, I'd refuse the job :( | 15:58 |
| rubdos | kimmoli_sailing_, yes, indeed! That's about the reason ;) | 15:58 |
| dr_gogeta86 | I can't | 15:58 |
| rubdos | So, let me guess. Your company enforces HTML in Outlook [insert old version that's vulnerable to XSS in email] ? | 15:59 |
| rubdos | cruel world ;( | 15:59 |
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| rubdos | anyway, ttyl :) | 16:00 |
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| faenil | KhertanAtwork, I think you can get answer here faster :D | 16:00 |
| faenil | https://twitter.com/khertan/status/472406997531635712 | 16:00 |
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| VDVsx | his email complains are addressed in next update, both of them :) | 16:01 |
| faenil | VDVsx, whose | 16:02 |
| Morpog_PC__ | khertans i guess | 16:02 |
| VDVsx | faenil, Khertan, thought it was the feedback tweet, so unrelated | 16:02 |
| faenil | ;) | 16:03 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | rubdos, is a question of image | 16:24 |
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| coderus | thp: is there Crypto.Cipher available for python 2 in Sailfish/Nemo? | 17:39 |
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| kimmoli_sailing | i'm so starting to like tjc "app-development" tag... but i feel kinda alone there | 18:05 |
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| ln- | does this small sample program work for someone, on the phone: https://wiki.libsdl.org/SDL_CreateRenderer | 18:12 |
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| coderus | can anyone build pycrypto please? :) | 18:27 |
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| ln- | okay, here is the SDL2 sample program together with a Makefile and instructions for building it: https://github.com/lanurmi/sailfish-minimal-sdl | 19:25 |
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| ln- | if someone's having a boring friday evening, it would be nice to hear if that sample works on your phone or not. | 19:27 |
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| nimmersatt | hey friends | 20:28 |
| nimmersatt | some weeks ago I asked the questions already | 20:28 |
| nimmersatt | and wanted to ask for progress | 20:28 |
| nimmersatt | 1st: whenn will we get the Sailfish Launcher for Android? | 20:29 |
| nimmersatt | then: will it be available outside of the google playstore, too? | 20:29 |
| nimmersatt | 2nd: I'd like to know if it will be possible someday to get Sailfish OS onto a Fairphone | 20:30 |
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| nimmersatt | anyone? :D | 20:32 |
| kengu | not the most active time | 20:35 |
| cos- | i suppose Jolla will announce it when they know it's getting ready | 20:35 |
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| nimmersatt | cos-: thanks, okay. I just can't wait :o | 20:39 |
| faenil | nimmersatt, if Fairphone will feature the possibility to unlock the bootloader, and if someone will spend time to get Cyanogenmod working on it, I guess it will have a chance for sailfish | 20:39 |
| faenil | tl;dr -> I think it will happen | 20:40 |
| faenil | about the launcher, I think I read June somewhere? but I could be confusing it with another feature | 20:40 |
| nimmersatt | faenil: unlock the bootloader? | 20:40 |
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| faenil | nimmersatt, yes | 20:40 |
| faenil | otherwise you can't put anything but its own OS on it | 20:41 |
| nimmersatt | well, fairphone itself would opensource much more if they could | 20:41 |
| javispedro | you'd be surprised | 20:41 |
| javispedro | (it would not be the first time a "opensource" phone company ships a phone with a locked bootloader) | 20:42 |
| javispedro | *cough* | 20:42 |
| faenil | lol | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | it wasn't shipped with it | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | well, ok, some devices | 20:42 |
| faenil | xD | 20:43 |
| javispedro | aha! gotya | 20:43 |
| nimmersatt | the phone licenece owner don't opensource the driver for the phone. | 20:43 |
| nimmersatt | *fairphone | 20:44 |
| Stskeeps | even kernel source? | 20:45 |
| javispedro | seems that fairphone uses mediatek | 20:46 |
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| nimmersatt | yes mediatek | 20:46 |
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| slate | mtk is far from open | 20:47 |
| nimmersatt | yes I think so too. but I want sailfish! | 20:48 |
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| coderus | can you share me your /opt/alien/system/script/platform_envsetup.sh please :D | 21:43 |
| coderus | i broken my own with timezone fix | 21:43 |
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| faenil | coderus, http://pastebin.com/t66kdjxZ | 21:49 |
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| coderus | thanks :D | 21:50 |
| faenil | np :) | 21:50 |
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| coderus | working only build.prop fix | 21:50 |
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