Wednesday, 2014-06-04

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Stskeepsgood morning05:13
kimmoliQuud Morning05:13
kimmolialready tinkering05:13
kimmolijust found comment from someones code, which goes to TOP10 list ... // the syscalls make baby jesus cry; but this protects us against sins like users05:15
kimmolimaybe someone here (or at nemomobile) recognizes this as his own :)05:16
Stskeepsif it's baby jesus cry, it's possibly w0t05:20
kimmolii possibly did see that avatar05:20
tbrgood moaning05:22
* tbr is sad, jolla doesn't ship ddate05:22
Stskeepsddate.. what package is that in?05:23
Stskeepsalso, what on earth does that do..05:24
coderusmorning :)05:24
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tbr$ ddate05:25
tbrToday is Setting Orange, the 9th day of Confusion in the YOLD 318005:25
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tbrit used to be in one of the basic packages05:25
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tbrit's a date command for the discordian calendar05:26
kimmoliis that what you use as excuse when behind from schedules?05:26
kimmolibut you never are.05:27
* kimmoli alt-tab to sdk05:27
* tbr recommends reading up about ddate. nice reading for when waking up and not ready to be productive yet.05:29
kimmolicoderus: Image compared to Thumbnailer, works but s**ks in performance. I will bundle or something05:30
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coderuskimmoli: use cache: true and asynchronous: trye for Image05:32
kimmoliwill try, cache is true for default, async false05:33
kimmolimuchos better. tnx.05:34
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kimmolialso set smooth: false, and fillmode preserveAspectCrop, now it looks about identical compared to thumbnailer05:37
coderuskimmoli: for performance also set sourceSize.width and height to your clipping size05:37
kimmolithey are05:38
kimmoliand now it passes harbour qa check-tool05:38
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iekkucoderus, did answer help you?05:41
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iekkuand good morning to all05:42
coderusiekku: hello05:42
coderusiekku: just woke up, didnt tested it yet05:43
coderuswill do in some minutes after aamiainen05:43
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iekkucoderus, :)05:44
coderusiekku: but answer looks good and complete, thanks :)05:44
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iekkucoderus, my pleasure :)05:47
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coderusmissed gconftool-2, is it unavailable?06:49
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dr_gogeta86_jollhi guys06:53
dr_gogeta86_jollcoderus in da house?06:53
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* kimmoli passes beer to coderus , image background selector for Paint works \o/06:59
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coderuskimmoli: ;)07:12
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nazanin_artemma: hi :) I've been testing your night silence app in harbour, need to ask a question about it07:24
artemmanazanin_: sure07:24
artemmagreat to see a dialog happening :)07:24
nazanin_artemma: when i disable the night silence option, close the application, open it again, it is again enabled07:25
artemmaI have just 4 min before the work call, will have time later too07:25
artemmathat sounds like a bug :/07:25
artemmachecking on my device..07:25
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artemmayou are right, I messed up with something07:26
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artemmathanks for noticing! Will fix and resubmit07:26
nazanin_artemma: so, i'll reject it for now, u fix it and re-submit :)07:26
nazanin_artemma: no problem :)07:27
artemmayes, thanks07:27
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SK_workiekku: :)07:54
Stskeepso/ SK_work07:54
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iekkuSK_work, o/07:54
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dr_gogeta86coderus, tnx for the hot fix09:03
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squiddumm hi12:41
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squiddany idea how I can stop myphone from ringin12:41
Stskeepshello hello12:41
Stskeepsdefine ringing and why can't you12:41
squiddjollamachine keeps vibrating and ringtone plays12:42
Stskeepsswitch to silent mode in the pulley menu of the lock screen?12:42
squiddohand no1 as actually calling me12:43
leszeksquidd: try restarting then12:43
leszekmaybe the nsa is calling12:44
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squiddI had call and someone alled me so I ended the other call and answered new one and now it wontstop ringin12:45
Stskeepsyeaah.. restart the device12:45
Stskeepsalso, wth :)12:45
squiddyeah just wanted to share this here12:45
squiddgonna restart now, brb12:46
squiddfixed :D12:48
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Price15xcan someone tell me how to increase the audio volume for phone calls on the nexus 412:58
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StskeepsPrice15x: wait for next update; it fixes all that and more12:59
Price15xMy ringer volume is maximum but I cant hear people loud and clear12:59
Stskeepswe had a bug in float vs integer valeus13:00
Price15xStskeeps: thanks bro I really appreciate all your work13:00
JuubaStskeeps: did they fix the "network error plays with MAX VOLUME" thing? :D13:07
StskeepsJuuba: o_o?13:07
Juubaat least in finland13:07
Juubathat "network error/network busy" audio "dii-di-dii, dii-di-dii"13:08
Juubaeven if the call volume is 1/513:08
Juubathat sound is hellishly loud13:08
Stskeepson n4, or jolla device13:08
Stskeepsok, don't know13:08
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lsmeCan I run sailfish emulated? In QEMU for example?13:15
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Stskeepslsme: our SDK comes with a sailfishos in a virtualbox13:15
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lsmeI see, thanks13:16
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northHi all. I have been going through Ubuntu-Touch Internals doc today. With Sailfish having some connection to Ubuntu Touch, I would wanna put forward this question: Sailfish OS has two system images in its whole OS architecture ? one being ANdroid Image and other Sailfish OS Image ?13:17
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SK_worknorth: not reqlly13:18
northIn worst case scenario, for HAL atleast you would require a minimalistic Android image, right ? SK_work ?13:19
SK_worknorth: they have it packaged iirc13:20
Stskeeps(not anymroe)13:20
Stskeepswell, you need to have enough dependencies for some daemons to start up13:20
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northlil bit confusing13:21
Stskeepsnot really13:21
Stskeepsit comes down to that we want to leverage a hw adaptation13:21
Stskeepsand sometimes a hw adaptation is with small daemons13:21
northSo on the whole it is a tiniest of the tiniest Android Images, ain't it ?13:22
Stskeepsit's pretty tiny but not tiniest13:22
northSo how often is the Android Image updated ?13:23
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Stskeepsrarely, it doesn't really need to be13:24
northIts like a bird with wings stripped off13:24
SK_worknorth: why ?13:24
Stskeepsnorth: or an android with it's arms cut off13:25
SK_workit's used for HW adaptation13:25
* Stskeeps likes that imagery13:25
faenil+1 :D13:25
northI ask because the parts which you might be requiring for H/w abstraction, is a continuing project somewhere else, and it too gets updated with its own lifecycle13:26
Stskeepsof course13:26
SK_workStskeeps: +1 :D13:26
northwhere is this wingless android binary supporting Sailfish OS hosted at ?13:28
northThe android image13:29
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Stskeepswell, in system partition of course13:29
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Stskeepsor somewhere else13:30
Stskeepsdoesn't really matter13:30
faenilI think he meant "where can I download it" :P13:30
northNot in the final OS. Ok let me put it this way, who maintains this repo for android image13:31
northYes faenil13:31
Stskeepsnorth: typically, an ODM does13:31
northI mean from the Sailfish OS side ?13:31
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Stskeepsit doesn't really matter - what matters is that the android /system comes from somewhere -- it can be preexisting on a device; it can be provided by an ODM as a image file that gets factually flashed, etc13:32
northso with what knowledge base do you develop hooks in the libhybris ?13:33
Stskeepswell, i -made- libhybris.. :P13:33
northI know13:33
norththats why I asked you :p13:33
Stskeepsand basic computer science13:33
Stskeepsthere's a talk i made. sec13:33
Stskeepstalks about libhybris, too13:34
northWatching it straight away :)13:34
northplease don't mind me if you feel my questions noobish13:35
Stskeepsthey're fine13:35
Stskeepswhat do you hope to accomplish, ooi?13:35
faenilnorth, I'm the guy just opposite to stskeeps, front line :D13:36
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faenil(as if you cared, lol :D)13:37
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northI recently started working at a research lab in India on Radio Interface Layer and modem stuff. I am developing some interest in how things are working with Android RIL (unfortunately only the reference RIL) and thats how I came to know the existence of Sailfish OS. Ultimately, while I am not doing my personal research, I have decided to contribute back to ofono-rilmodem13:40
northpretty long description :p13:40
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Stskeepsnorth: ah :)13:41
northbtw, faenil, there are many people in the frontline :p13:41
Stskeepsthere's ubuntu's variant, plus ubuntu's upstream-based variant, plus the one we use..13:41
faenilnot many in front of Stskeeps :P13:42
Stskeepsit's a bit of a mess atm13:42
coderusi cant turn on sounds after muting fron lock screen pulley :)13:42
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coderuspushing volume buttons only shows notification "sounds muted"13:42
coderusthere are no muted icon in lockscreen13:43
Stskeepscoderus: haven't you been hacking your lipstick?13:43
northyes, I figured it out. But a workaround can be a meeting between the RIL guys from both teams to work towards a single code base13:43
coderusStskeeps: no, i havent touched lipstick13:43
coderusi have last lipstick version13:43
Stskeepsnorth: nod.. we had one at one point but we're both really in a product race13:44
Stskeepsbut intention is thee13:44
coderusprofiled values changing13:44
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coderusprfiled log:
coderusdidnt tried reboot yet, just asking if it known bug or not13:45
northSo how did you guys get along to start this project initially apart from ex-Nokia employees ?13:48
Stskeepssecret handshakes13:48
Stskeepsin practice many of us were deep in meego, and when meego went away, we didn't want another repeat of meego, and chose a different approach13:49
Stskeepsand started mer13:49
Stskeepsthen along came jolla and many of us joined there..13:49
northSo who is working on rilmodem plugin from Sailfish OSes side ?13:50
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Stskeepsa subcontractor team, check github.comnemomobile-packages/ofono13:52
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faenil+ /13:52
northbtw, will I be able flash nemomobile os onto my nexus 4 device ?13:54
faenilstatus here:
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northcool. Silly me actually, I came accross this information day before yesterday :p13:56
faenilthen, if you're talking about nemomobile os, I'm not sure there's a ready image to flash, but it shouldn't be difficult to make one13:57
faenilmaybe somebody already has the kickstart files to produce an image for n413:57
faenilwhile if you're talking about SailfishOS, I think there are some images around for n413:58
northYea, building won't be a problem if I can get the source.13:58
northYes I downloaded them too13:58
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faenilnemomobile os is all oss13:58
faenil(there's #nemomobile, btw)13:58
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northso nemo supports android apps too ?14:01
northBut because both Ubuntu and nemo/sailfish uses QML for apps, won't Ubuntu apps be working too ? Or have I understood it differently ?14:03
dr_gogeta86faenil, why nexus7 2013 not working ?14:03
SK_workdr_gogeta86: because noone worked on it ?14:04
SK_worknorth: well, it might work14:04
dr_gogeta86I got that shit14:04
SK_workI might take a look at what ubuntu is doing and do some ports ?14:04
dr_gogeta86how to help ?14:04
SK_workdr_gogeta86: it's not shitty, just Android14:04
SK_workdr_gogeta86: got it too14:04
SK_workdr_gogeta86: maybe ping sledges ? not sure14:04
dr_gogeta86flo or deb?14:04
SK_workwifi only = flo ?14:05
dr_gogeta86also frontal camera works14:06
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dr_gogeta86SK_work, this is their status
dr_gogeta86they mark flo as broken too14:13
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SK_workdr_gogeta86: don't know if we can use their work14:14
SK_workmaybe ask sledges or Stskeeps for this14:14
SK_workdon't know14:14
dr_gogeta86you made me laugh14:14
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northbtw, are Nokia 900 devices still available in market ?14:19
Plntnorth: there are some new ones on ebay14:20
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northThere is a cell phone market near my place, I will check it out there. Probably I can bargain :p14:21
northCuz it will be damn too high when I convert the price mentioned on ebay to Indian currency :p14:22
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faidenWhere do i modify the ssh?14:29
faidenand how do i restart the service?14:29
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coderusMitakuuluu v0.7.7 bugfix update. DL: LOG:
squiddcoderus: omg more updates15:12
coderusmore bugs :D15:12
faenilwho was asking for a local dir where to put desktop files? :D15:14
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coderusthanks :)15:23
SK_workfaenil: const static QString ... hum15:27
SK_workI don't know15:27
faenilSK_work, feel free to comment the code, I didn't make it :P15:28
SK_workfaenil: :D15:29
SK_workI don't know15:29
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coderusits okay ;)15:31
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faenilSK_work, what is the issue with the const anyway?15:33
SK_workfaenil: trying to check15:33
SK_workIIRC global objects are not nice15:33
faenilah, in that sense15:34
SK_work(because of constructor / destructor calls)15:34
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SK_workbut it seems to be used anyay15:34
specialit's mostly not an issue for QString and for executables (as opposed to libraries)15:35
SK_workyou have this for example15:35
SK_workbut for QString should be ok indeed15:35
SK_worktjhanks special15:35
special*but* the use of QStandardPaths is a little sketchy15:35
SK_workspecial: iirc qstandardpath is only about static methods15:35
SK_workso ?15:35
specialI'm not sure if that's guaranteed to be valid before QCoreApplication is created15:35
SK_workspecial: hum15:35
SK_workyou have a point15:35
specialand I'm not sure if it creates a QObject internally, which isn't valid before QCoreApplication15:36
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specialQ_GLOBAL_STATIC would be the safer alternative15:36
SK_workspecial: or macro15:37
faenilrainemak, ^15:37
SK_workif rainemak is lazy15:37
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rainemakfaenil, what what?15:40
faenilrainemak, read last minutes of backlog :)15:41
rainemakspecial, as fas as I see there is no QCoreApplication dependency15:41
dwangoACStskeeps: Any updates on Nexus 4 builds?  I had to take a long trip that required using a hands-free kit (which I only have with Bluetooth, which isn't yet supported) so I switched away to a different phone and haven't gone back just yet15:42
dwangoACBut Sailfish felt like home, so I'm itching to get back. :)15:42
specialrainemak: I'm not sure I'd trust it to stay that way.. it's very easy to accidentally make one15:42
rainemaksee, QDir::homePath() and QFileSystemEngine::homePath15:42
coderusspecial: can anyone help me with no sound problem?15:42
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specialsmall thing, anyway15:42
rainemakspecial, yeap15:42
specialcoderus: what sort of no sound problem?15:43
coderuspushing volume buttons shows "Sounds muted" message15:43
faenilrainemak, thanks for the PR, btw :D15:43
coderusphone doesnt producing any sounds15:43
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rainemakfaenil, np15:44
coderuswhile calling, misic, nothing :)15:44
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specialdo headphones work?15:44
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coderusspecial: nothing works. looks like alsa dead15:46
coderusinstalled alsa-utils, alsamixer can'r connect15:46
specialI have no idea if alsa-utils are expected to work15:46
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specialcheck for debug output from pulseaudio, look into debugging tools there15:47
specialfactory reset? :p15:47
coderusah, its pulseaudio?15:48
specialeverything or almost everything goes through pulse, yes15:48
scharelI get gpg-failure in Warehouse on coderus repo15:49
coderusspecial: i hope someone can point me how to debug that and some ideas how to fix it :)15:50
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walokranazanin: btw, harbour qa should give better tips how the 'High Power Consumption' issue happens than just the generic message. the tjc page doesn't much help to debug the issue16:19
walokrabut anyways, I think I know the reason (QtWebKit view) but it's the same in couple of other apps which have passed qa16:21
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coderuswalokra: just out oof luck. try to submit it again with no changes :)16:25
nazaninwalokra: hi :) please define 'how' ? ... we just check it by running powertop command, the same one that is mentioned in that tjc post :)16:26
walokraI did that with couple of apps which has similar design16:26
walokranazanin: like what path have you used in the app (actions) etc. something to pinpoint where the issue might be which doesn't get e.g. popped from stack16:27
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nazaninwalokra: well, we run the app, put the device in idle mode (lock the device for example), wait for ~1 minute or 2, run powertop command (the one also mentioned in tjc)16:29
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nazaninwalokra: after running the command, the app is shown under wakeups... and as a normal behaviour, it should disappear after 1,2 minutes16:29
nazaninwalokra: and after disappearing the number of wakeups on the device become lower16:30
nazaninusually under 2016:30
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nazaninif it disappears, then it's fine... if it doesn't, that is when the application gets rejected16:30
walokrayeah, I have debugged this similar issue with other apps but seems quite random when it happens and when not16:30
walokrabut well, have to check if I have changed something to affect this.16:31
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nazaninwalokra: and also, this case is true for applications that do not use audio streaming for example16:31
nazaninbecause if any music/sound is being played, of course the app does not disappear from the wakeup list16:32
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walokramy app doesn't do anything after it fetches the data from internet16:32
nazaninwalokra: can I know the name of ur app? :)16:33
walokraBut have to go now. I will check the app later and see if I point something.16:34
nazaninwalokra: ok, I am checking it now to see what kind of a message i've given u :)16:34
nazaninwalokra: will comment here about it, and u reply when u get back for any questions or unclear parts :)16:34
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nazaninwalokra: so yes, now I remember with your app, I waited for about 10 minutes for it to disappear from wakeup list, yet it didnt... I dunno how long it needs to fetch data, but if it doesnt do it within 1 or 2 minutes, it gets rejected16:46
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nazaninwalokra: my guess would be maybe the app in updating the list and syncing new pictures, that is why it doesnt go to the idle state16:48
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nazaninwalokra: in what time frame does it fetch/sync data?16:49
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kimmoliOpacityRampEffect, is there possibility use baseline opacity? which is valid untill offset?18:18
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kimmoliSK_work: any tips?18:33
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kimmolisolved: clampMax property of OpacityRampEffect18:39
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tortoisedocis it update time??19:05
walokranazanin: hmm, strange. on start the app gets the data and that should be it (couple of seconds). it doesn't update or sync it after that unless by user actions. maybe some error case causes it to run busy indicator or something19:05
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nazaninwalokra: I tested it again at home, the app seems to be shown in short time frames under the wakeups ( the reason is fetching up data as u mentioned)19:09
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nazaninwalokra: in general, imo, such an app does not need to fetch any data when device is locked19:09
walokrait shouldn't do that either :)19:09
nazaninwalokra: yes, so please fix it and re-submit :)19:10
nazaninwalokra: for email-related applications for example, it is important for data to be updated in short time intervals, but with these applications it just drains the battery19:11
nazaninand the worse part gets to user when he swiped the app to the background, goes to sleep, wakes up the next day and found the battery 50% lower than it was the night before19:11
walokranazanin: yep, but for now I don't know why the app is doing something as that part of it hasn't changed19:11
nazaninwalokra: hhmm, u mean u dunno why it fetches data? (dunno if i get ur question correctly)19:12
walokranazanin: it doesn't fetch anything in the background19:12
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nazaninwalokra: hhmm19:13
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walokranazanin: i see the app in powertop after refresh but after a while it drops down19:14
nazaninwalokra: yes, it's okay if it disappears within 1,2 minutes19:14
nazaninbut more than that, no19:14
nazaninfor me, it keeps being there for more than that time19:15
nazaninand at home when I tested, it was there in the beginning, disappeared, and then came up again19:15
nazaninwalokra: the second time I tested that on my primary device at home19:16
nazaninwalokra: need to test it once more at office tomorrow with my testing device19:16
walokranazanin: thanks for that extra testing19:16
walokranazanin: did you just launch the app and then mimized it and closed screen?19:17
nazaninwalokra: i may get it work tomorrow, and maybe if u re-submit, I get the error again...19:17
* nazanin has no idea if this happens on a random basis or any specific reason19:17
nazaninwalokra: no problem :)19:17
nazaninwalokra: well, how i test it is like this:19:18
nazaninfirst there are no apps open, I lock the device, run powertop command19:18
nazaninI wait for about 1 minute till the device status becomes stable19:18
nazaninthen I unlock it, open the application I want to test, plays around with it for a bit, till the number of wake ups reaches to 300 or 400 for example19:19
nazaninin this status I already see the app in wakup list19:19
nazaninthen I lock the device19:19
nazaninand observe how powertop updates19:19
nazaninif after 1 minute or 2, the application drops down from the list, it's okay19:20
nazaninif it doesnt, then I wait more, for about 5-10 minutes19:20
nazaninthen when I see the application is still there, that is when I assume the test case is failed and application is causing power consumption19:20
walokrathat's useful info for repeating the steps myself19:20
nazaninwalokra: :) I'll include these steps from now on in harbour app review so that it is more clear for the developer how to check it19:21
nazaninwalokra: thank u for letting me know about it :)19:21
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walokranazanin: no problem. helps to debug the issue if we know what to expect19:23
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faiden /msg lsme Ifall du vill se en fil Ta och se The Grand Budapest Hotel .Den var mycket bra imo19:31
Stskeepsi understood that19:31
Nicd-faiden: it was ok19:31
faidenAtleast I enjoyed it =D19:32
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* tortoisedoc cant wait for next update19:41
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faenillpotter, if you have a few minutes please provide updates here :)
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tortoisedoctomorrow? :D21:08
faenilchriadam, special accounts->facebook says I'm not signed in, but I'm receiving fb chat messages21:08
faenilanything you want me to test?21:08
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faenil<faenil> chriadam, special accounts->facebook says I'm not signed in, but I'm receiving fb chat messages21:10
faenil<faenil> anything you want me to test?21:10
faenil(don't know if you received it since it seems I was offline)21:10
specialjournalctl -ab | grep CredentialsNeedUpdate, but it's likely not a problem21:13
specialnot especially weird that xmpp would still be online.21:13
faenilspecial, not a problem as in? :D21:13
specialas in there may or may not be a bug, and if there is, it may or may not already be fixed, and there's probably not useful information available to answer either question21:14
faenilokay... :P21:14
faenilspecial, in case it's not a bug, at least give me a way to disable the chat without relogging in :P21:14
special"not signed in" gives me this visceral fear reaction these days, and I don't even deal with most of those bugs :p21:15
specialpresence dialog?21:15
faenilah right, presence!21:16
faenilspecial, totally forgot that, thanks :p21:16
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tortoisedoccan someone confirm21:34
tortoisedocthat the deactivate function in qml is a wrapper on hide?21:34
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tortoisedocor is it too late for that ? :P21:35
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tortoisedocmy problem is21:35
tortoisedocthat once I call the deactivate from qml21:36
tortoisedocI cannot get the app back by calling show from C++21:36
tortoisedocwhich *should* be possible / in theory?21:36
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