Tuesday, 2014-06-03

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merlin1991tbr if you feel like sharing the dvd images and are in need of space, I've got some 200G free space on my server, the sailfish images would have it quite cozy next to harmattan pr 1.1 through 1.3 and various maemo stuff :)00:05
merlin1991hm come to think of it, I never got my hands on the maemo images, anyone got a link to share?00:06
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tbrmerlin1991: I believe they are quite well placed on http://images.formeego.org/jolla05:31
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coderusWhere is connection static settings?..07:38
stephgcoderus: in the UI? or ?07:42
coderustap and hold i see only Remove connection07:43
coderusthis option visible only for connected network07:43
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coderusbad behaviour07:43
coderusit should be visible for all connections07:43
* coderus goig to patch this...07:44
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coderusvisible: modelData.strength > 007:46
coderuswhat a shame...07:46
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dr_gogeta86morning peeps07:57
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artemmaDoes anybody know twitter nick of karip (as in https://github.com/karip/harbour-file-browser ). I'd like to tweet about his awesome file browser, it's nice to give credit then09:16
artemmahttps://twitter.com/karip is likely to be a quite different person :)09:17
Loris_Oh i've just seen there's a progress in nexus4 camera! Awesome09:21
Stskeepsnews travel fast09:21
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Loris_Since I want do start developing sailfish apps, I'm starting learning QT and QML...But there is one thing I don't understand, since there is not komplex example app..09:31
Loris_will I need c++ files or can everything be done simply in QML?09:32
Stskeepsusually you have a very tiny c++ entry point that really doesn't need modification09:32
Stskeepsthe SDK should help with this09:32
tbryeah, you just tell it you want a QML app and it will generate all the fluff around it09:33
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faenilStskeeps, meeting starting in half an hour, right?09:35
Loris_Okay, then it seems like i need to get more into QML, since I dont understand how to create something like functions or pass variables09:35
Nicd-Loris_: in QML you use Javascript to create dynamic stuff09:35
StskeepsLoris_: in practice: you declare UI with QML -- and then you add behaviour to it with javascript09:35
Stskeepslike what happens when you press this element09:35
Loris_Ah okay..Now there is some light in the dark :) thank you09:36
Nicd-Loris_: you can take a look at https://bitbucket.org/Nicd/sailtime/src if it helps, it has both QML+JS and C++09:36
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Nicd-it's the SailTime app which you can also find in the Jolla Store09:36
Loris_Thank you, I'll have a look at it09:36
artemmaSome people say https://github.com/amarchen/helloworld-pro-sailfish is documented quite okay ;)09:37
Nicd-^ that too09:37
artemmaand if you are looking for a complex example with c++ indeed there is quite extensively documented https://github.com/amarchen/log4qt-demo-sailfish09:38
artemmathe point there is to demonstrate the logging framework use, but demo naturally includes a couple of sample c++ classes and qml files and cpp tests and qml tests09:39
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tachikomahrm, it always worked and today i get "connection problem" when trying to cconnect to wlan secured with business wpa ...09:43
tachikomaand even a reboot does not help :(09:44
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tachikomajournalctl shows quite some messages about "lipstick ---- errorReported: connect-failed"09:47
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netzviehSailfish Community Meeting starts in 10 minutes in #mer-meeting, for Agenda see https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-June/004454.html09:50
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sledgesPSA: community meeting at #mer-meeting now :)10:00
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walokrawaiting for the meeting minutes10:04
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netzviehAard: *ping*10:25
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netzviehAard: any update on (auto)docs + Silica docs? (asking here since you are silent in meeting ;) if you are there, you can answer it there in a bit ^^)10:36
Aarddidn't notice there's meeting now10:37
Aardcheck with lbt about the infrastructure status10:37
stephgkimmoli once mine is fully in shape will share it so you can build your own10:38
kimmolistephg: thanks10:38
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kimmoli using .spec only sdk wizards on windows requires dos2unix trick now (i did toss yaml our from my own wizard already)10:44
stephgkimmoli: that seems to be a general sdk thing?10:45
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kimmolibut it should be "fixed" in next sdk update, so that the rpmbuild does dos2unix before parsing spec (or something)10:46
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stephgMSameer: heh :)11:14
MSameerstephg: :)11:15
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coderusplease check http://piratepad.net/SailfishOSSMeetings is there something i need to remove from topic, or someone disagree?11:26
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MSameeriekku: coderus is having issues with camera API. he emailed the jolla mm maintainer who did not reply so I was suggesting emailing developer-care11:30
MSameeriekku: that's it. no more and no less11:30
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iekkuMSameer, it's a good idea. i try to follow ml too and kick sailors if there's no reply, but i have really limited time to do so11:31
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iekkudeveloper-care is better11:31
MSameercoderus: ^^^11:31
netzviehcommunity meeting is over, Minutes: http://merproject.org/meetings/mer-meeting/2014/mer-meeting.2014-06-03-10.00.html11:32
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coderusiekku: just sent email to developer-care, please check if content is acceptable11:35
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iekkucoderus, i will, thaks11:38
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iekkucoderus, seems ok, forwarded it and will keep on kicking till you get answer11:41
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coderusiekku: it can be probably discussed on next meeting as part of documentation discussing11:49
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netzviehcoderus: I think SK_work intended to discuss Jollas communication in general, but it's his topic, I just added it again since I cleared the pad ;)12:06
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coderusnetzvieh: i just want to tell if it about development questions while discussing Jollas it can be combined with (1)12:06
netzviehmhh, dunno. maybe speak to SK_work ;) I probably won't have time next meetings anyway :/12:07
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coderussure, it wasnt personal :)12:09
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SK_worknetzvieh, coderus yeah, it's a training day for me12:36
SK_workno time for meeting :(12:36
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merlin1991tbr: are the others coming there anytime soon ? :D12:49
tbrmerlin1991: "there"?12:50
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northHello "Sail"ors12:54
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Stskeepshello hello12:55
pJokStskeeps \o12:56
Stskeepshow are things?12:57
pJokgood good :)12:57
Stskeepsi'm good, thanks - well, living in poland these days, got a small kid and so on12:57
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netzviehStskeeps: can you fix the topic in #mer-meeting? :D forgot a t13:00
netzvieh\o/ :)13:00
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coderusToday, or not today: that is the question.14:05
SK_workcoderus: not today14:05
SK_work(if speaking about up)14:05
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coderusSK_work: yeah...14:06
coderusMitakuuluu update ready to release. Please update your translation in next 3 hours to be included in next update.14:06
SK_workcoderus: ah, mitaluulu update :)14:06
coderusSK_work:  many updates coming :)14:06
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kimmoli_sailing_coderus: pling, your imagepicker in mitäkuuluu ... seems that it is not harbour acceptable, or is it?14:11
coderuskimmoli_sailing_: i'm using own filemodel plugin, its bundled, acceptable14:12
kimmoli_sailing_ah ok..14:12
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kimmoli_sailing_have to take a closer look then14:12
coderuskimmoli_sailing_: imagepicker in avatar selection is not acceptable, using system private components :)14:13
kimmoli_sailing_ah, maybe i was looking that14:13
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scharelcoderus: do you plan to ever put mitäkuuluu too harbour? or is it too restrictive?14:17
Yanielscharel: it won't get through QA for now14:18
scharelok, I'm fine withe OpenRepos :)14:18
coderusscharel: Mitakuuluu using too hacky system methods, harbour cant pass it yet :)14:19
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coderusi'll bring this question on next meeting14:20
scharelso waiting and hoping for Jolla too either allow these methodes or providing APIs for it?14:20
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coderusno, hoping Jolla can handle full-opensource project, compile and release it with own channels after checking why restricted api are used. Hope if code transparency will get some advantage.14:22
coderusjust pushing some code revision to Jolla, it checking and approving code, then automatically compiling it in chum or so and publishing14:22
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scharelok, read something similar in #mer-meeting but couldn't follow the whole meeting, would be nice compromise between a safe, quality store and allowing community to use the full flovour of oss14:25
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kimmoli_sailing_need also way to publish apps using i2c...14:29
kimmoli_sailing_need also way to lock i2c to one app, as multiple accesses cause phone to reboot14:30
* SK_work read the minutes14:32
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SK_workfaenil: I loved your introduction line ... (in the sailfish meeting minutes)14:33
faeniltrue story14:36
faenilI had 2mbit in down with 2db (!!!) SNR in download14:36
mornfallhmm, another problem... wlan regularly stops seeing any networks14:37
mornfallturning it off and on again fixes the problem14:38
SK_workmornfall: or waiting for a very long time14:38
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mornfallSK_work: how long is a very long time? more than 8 hours?14:38
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SK_workmornfall: ah :D never happened to me this long14:39
SK_workbut I usually wait for about 20-30s14:39
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SK_workwell not usually14:39
SK_workusually when it do not work14:39
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mornfallto me it seems that once the scan stops working it never comes back14:40
mornfallthe main symptom is that the phone is stuck with 3G when I'm at home :-)14:40
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coderuskimmoli: imho meed global i2c manager threading connections15:01
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scharelyes, global i2c manager would be nice, have few i2c devices laying around here but not yet time hacking15:15
kimmoli_sailinghacking is easy... just make apps behave with eachother15:15
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kimmoli_sailingtoholed and tohkbd runninh at same time >> reboot15:16
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kimmoli_sailingbut yes, one daemon to register with when app starts/wants to use i2c.15:18
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schareland a nice Qt integration ;)15:23
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SK_workscharel: QI2C ?15:27
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SK_workfuture moduyle for the Qt project ?15:28
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scharelSK_work: is there something like that coming?15:31
SK_workscharel: no :(15:32
SK_workyou can start it :)15:32
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scharelmaybe in semester break, but there's lot of other stuff to do :S15:33
SK_workscharel: is I2C complex to wrap ?15:33
schareli don't think so, I2C is used on microcontrollers for very long time, with simple C15:36
lainwir3dI2C is quite easy15:36
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lainwir3deven when using direct kernel api15:36
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scharelbut as kimmoli said multiple access must be handled somehow15:39
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scharelwould also solve the problem that apps using i2c need root privileges (as far as i know), what is not allowed in harbour15:47
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lainwir3dit needs root because of /dev/i2c* permission probably16:02
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coderussudo chmod 777 /dev/i2c ?16:05
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scharelI don't know, have not yet tried something with i2c, just thaught someone had written something about i2c and root somewhere :D16:08
Turskiprobably easiest (and most practical) way would be to have a daemon handling i2c device?16:12
lainwir3dprobably better16:14
lainwir3dmulti-user and so on16:14
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lainwir3dhave to go, bye !16:15
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coderusMitakuuluu update ready to release. Please update your translation in next 1 hour to be included in next update.16:24
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Morpog_PC__just did a last minute change for german translation :) hopefully just in time coderus17:23
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coderuscover bug: http://i.imgur.com/flSNrKU.jpg17:44
coderusMorpog_PC__: >> String n° 373 is wrong in german translation. Can't change it - who can?17:45
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Morpog_PC__coderus, I already did17:45
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kimmolischarel: coderus i2c accesses dont need root since 1.0.5.x17:49
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coderuskimmoli: good :)17:51
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scharelkimmoli: thanks, good to know17:55
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kimmoliat least no need to devel-su before using i2ctool :P17:56
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coderusWhere is this place? http://i.imgur.com/s9AV2Yw.jpg18:02
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Stskeepscarepack_: do i dare to ask what you found :)18:04
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Stskeepser, coderus18:04
Morpog_PC__coderus, is that from next update? :D18:04
coderusStskeeps: i saw these places in some old russian movies :)18:04
coderusabout finland fishing18:05
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coderus"Особенности национальной рыбалки"18:05
coderusStskeeps: sorry i dont understand you18:06
Stskeepsnever mind :)18:07
Stskeepsresolution was funny, 540x18:07
M4rtinKany pointers how to debug qmlscene crashing ? :)18:08
coderusM4rtinK: debug in binary mode before?18:09
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coderusM4rtinK: or at least check lournal18:09
M4rtinKwell, it crashes on my Fedora 20 PC18:09
M4rtinKthe same code runs just fine on the device18:09
* Morpog_PC__ now knows that images of lakes just before an update in 540x resolution shocks Stskeeps :D18:10
M4rtinKhmm, indeed there seem to be something in the Journal and looks like Abrt got a crash dump from it18:11
Yanielto be fair, that one would make a fine update banner18:11
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coderusStskeeps: just want to visit some of these places in future18:12
Morpog_PC__well, I'm sure i can produce a similar one for next update to shock him again :D18:12
coderuslike these nature18:12
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coderusso, future update will install new systemd?18:15
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Morpog_PC__coderus, i think the one after summer18:15
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M4rtinKIIRC the upcoming one should have the new systemd18:17
coderusand when recovery package for usb-moded -r option become available18:17
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M4rtinKthp: looking at the stack frame the qmlscene crash might be PyOtherSide related18:21
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ziggy42what's the state of sailfish for nexus4? If I install it will I have a true sailfish experience? :D18:26
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Stskeepswell, not a full one18:27
Stskeepsbut quite similar18:27
Nicd-ziggy42: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris18:27
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ziggy42ok thanks, but I have harbour, can I try my apps on it etc? without problems?18:29
Stskeepsnot yet18:29
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Stskeepswe're getting that working atm18:29
ziggy42ok thank you, I'll wait :)18:30
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carepack_Stskeeps: hi. so what?18:44
Stskeepscarepack_: sorry, bad tab completition :)18:44
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tbrStskeeps: do you happen to have the URL to your diagram open vs closed packages at hand? I'd like to give people some good ole hard facts. ;)18:46
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Stskeepstbr: http://releases.merproject.org/~carsten/niceview.png but it's not complete -- it shows what upper layer depends on18:47
Stskeeps(i think)18:47
Stskeepsand it's out of date18:48
tbrwas from around FOSDEM?18:48
Stskeeps(sorry, i'm reading a 120 page technical report from a university project..)18:49
Stskeepsso a bit distracted18:49
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Loris_Maybe I have a small suggestion for a UI improvement.... I think the TextEdit Field is a bit hard to recognize as a text-input-field...especially if there is not placeholdertext (just a vertical line then)..Maybe it would be better to add something to make it more noticeable...like adding small vertical lines at the beginning and the end (like it is in android)....Any opinions to this?19:03
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Stskeepswhere is there no placeholder text, ooi?19:04
Stskeepsat least it's advised in UI guidelines, i think19:04
Loris_In some developed apps this could be the case19:05
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Loris_Btw, if you add no text, the line isnt visibile...so maybe a defaulttext="" would be good19:08
Loris_oh sorry, it is visible...forgot the width ;-)19:09
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coderusAdded new fancy quickscroll to Mitakuuluu, will release update soon :)19:40
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kimmolithis must be a standard disclaimer on all mobile applications; Remark, if the app hang, that's because the internet is not so good. please exit app.19:48
coderusMitakuuluu v0.7.5. Privacy settings, new fancy QuickScroll, fixies DL: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu LOG: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/releases/tag/v0.7.519:50
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squiddcoderus: \o/19:50
M4rtinKkimmoli: well, at least part if this on Sailfish OS are still connection switching related19:51
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M4rtinKkimmoli: quite often it is for example pretty evident with Tweetian19:51
coderussquidd: please check if it not segfaults. i have troubles last minutes before building release... :D19:52
M4rtinKyou leave an area of WiFi coverage and all avatar images vanish and all refresh attempts fail19:52
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squiddcoderus: gonna check it bit later, bit busy with Wildstar atm :D19:53
kimmoliat least it started ..19:54
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coderuskimmoli: good :019:54
coderuskimmoli: please check if conversation loading and quickscroll showed19:54
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coderusit wont show with little amount of messages, load more if needed19:54
kimmoliquickscroll pompula is there19:55
coderuskimmoli: good, thanks :_19:55
kimmoliin contacts, i dont have too long chat history there in wup19:55
kimmolibut like the category-scroll-feature19:57
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coderusJust forgot to introduce one feature of Mitakuuluu v0.7.5: It can import your Android WhatsApp account data!19:58
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kimmoliM4rtinK: this is from android application manual, i did not make it up... tweetian and irc (and enail) are the most breakable things for bad internet19:59
M4rtinKkimmoli: lol :)19:59
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M4rtinKwell, at least it has some documentation :)20:00
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kimmoliit is in chinglish...20:00
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M4rtinK"My hovercraft is full of eels!"20:01
Yanielthis has to be one of the best lines I've seen out of context when switching channels on irc20:03
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coderuskimmoli: what os version you using? first feedback on update in twitter: but it wont open my conversations? #bug20:08
TurskiM4rtinK: for me, if i leave wlan coverage and have settings application open in multitasking view, trying to unlock the device will result in unevident lipstick crash20:09
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Turskiand without ssh access the device have to be restarted20:10
kimmolii see only "outstanding work"20:10
Turskiif having ssh access, the connman can be restarted20:10
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M4rtinKTurski: at least no crash in my case :)20:15
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ejjomancoderus: Hey. I don't know, if you know :D but since last mitakuuluu update, I cannot open conversations: http://pastebin.com/xX2Ynkir20:19
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Nightmare__ejjoman: coderus: same problem20:23
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scharelNewest version isn't anymore in OpenRepos, so I think he knows20:29
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coderusMitakuuluu v0.7.6 PROPER uploaded21:38
coderusMitakuuluu v0.7.6 PROPER uploaded21:38
coderussorry, too hungry for updates, didnt tested new QuickScroll properly. Removed that stuff. Better wait for SailfishOS update :)21:40
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coderusworst update ever, stupid me :D21:42
slatebefore 1.0 you can do anything21:42
coderuskimmoli: how did you tested that and it worked for you? :D21:43
kimmolibtw... MediaSelector ...  Import 'org.nemomobile.thumbnailer 1.0' is not allowed21:43
coderuskimmoli: you can bundle it or replace with Image21:43
coderusi'm using thumbnailer for video previews also21:43
kimmoliwondering also why it works for you...21:43
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kimmoliyes, i need only images.21:44
coderuskimmoli: seems same way as it worked for you :)21:44
kimmolibut it works nicely though not harbour-compliant directly21:44
coderusjollausers working for anyone? ddos?21:45
coderuscant open page http://forum.jollausers.com/sailfish-applications/(official-support-thread)-mitakuuluu-native-whatsapp-compatible-application21:45
raa79works fine here in finland with DNA mobile networks21:45
coderusstrange, but thanks for the info..21:46
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raa79Dns resolved forum.jollausers.com to
kimmolioh, now gn everyone... tomorrow i will check what to do with thunbnailer...21:47
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coderuskimmoli: you can compile and bundle it, or replace with Image21:47
kimmoliyep. have to make decision with that :)21:48
kimmolithere was also one QThread warning21:49
kimmoliand had to add getPath() to filemodel.cpp ?21:49
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* kimmoli ZZzzzZZzz ttyl21:51
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coderuskimmoli: QThread warning is ok, i'm using hacky self-destruction threads :D22:07
coderuswhat is getPath for?22:07
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artemmaDocumentGallery that some Sailfish example use are not a part of standard Qt 5.x, but rather remainings of old QtMobility that only Nemo uses, correct?22:31
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