Monday, 2014-07-14

elcasetI'll be back later on.00:00
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tbruseretail: while it might technically be possible to get /something/ working, I don't think it would work well.05:53
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dr_gogeta86g'day peeps08:43
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stephgrandom dev chat: does anyone know if the pi b+ still has the network tied at the hip to the USB?08:55
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dr_gogeta86stephg, same chipset ... shitty as usual08:58
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pp_a20-linuxino looks way nicer :-)09:01
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stephghehe but I don't want to order 10 of them ;)09:03
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pp_hmn, their page seems to allow orders of one :-)09:08
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tortoisedocjeee :D09:13
stephgsurprised noone's asked yet...09:13
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tortoisedoci guess the fact everyone is super-silent prooves something is boiling in the cattle? ;)09:48
Nicd-I sure hope the cattle aren't boiling09:49
tortoisedocnot THE cattle but IN the cattle :P09:49
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Nicd-tortoisedoc: I hope you mean kettle instead of cattle09:51
Nicd-this is cattle:
* tbr prods the kettle with his cattle prod.09:53
kimmolisomeone has wondered difference of those two earlier >
tortoisedocthe more i live in finland the more my english goes wankers09:57
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tortoisedockimmoli : mines is just a syntax error generated out of my profoundly ignorant (and lazy) barin09:58
tortoisedoc*brain as well09:58
kimmolijust blame the frog doing spell-checking slowly09:58
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pp_weather might be worse this week so QA might be doing testing vs. drinking beer at the beach10:49
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stephgI wish I was drinking beer on the beach :/10:59
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pp_me too :(11:00
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stephgwell I got half of my last wish granted13:28
Nicd-all britney spears albums?13:29
stephgHOW DID YOU KNOW!13:29
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stephghaha :)13:32
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kimmolistephg: you are on beach?13:35
kimmoliwithout beer13:35
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stephgjust debating in my head whether that's the better option13:39
stephgmy wish ends in ~100ml then I have to come back to the real world13:39
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Sceltstephg: mush?13:51
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locusfhmm latest update broke mb2?15:28
kaltsibroke how?15:28
locusfor rather pkcon deployment15:28
kaltsiyou don't have the latest update15:28
locusffor sdk?15:29
kaltsilooks like you're using 1404?15:29
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coderusupdate :)15:29
locusfah ok15:29
coderusphone update :)15:29
coderussdk update :)15:29
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coderusupdates :)15:29
kaltsisdk 1406 started using sdk-deploy-rpm instead of pkcon .. pkcon install-local is not supported for users anymore in update815:29
locusfmy sdk says no updates available15:29
kaltsilocusf: if you want to avoid downloads.. wait for tomorrow to get 1407 sdk :)15:29
locusfkaltsi: mb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl -d "Jolla" deploy --pkcon <- so this doesn't work anymore?15:30
kaltsilocusf: do you have Installdir/sdk-release file?15:30
kaltsilocusf: yep.. use --sdk instead15:30
locusfkaltsi: okay15:30
coderuslocusf: deploy --sdk now15:30
locusfyeah that worked, thanks!15:31
coderusi can't get gps working in android anymore after update :(15:31
kaltsinp.. I incorrectly assumed you were in qt creator, which is why I thought you might not have the latest sdk15:31
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stephggps works for me in 4sq coderus15:34
coderusstephg: yandex maps :(15:35
coderusit doesnt start gps =(15:36
stephgoh :(15:36
coderusbefore update it worked :(15:36
coderusah, and also now it showing Google servicces failed to start message15:36
coderusand new tutorial is very good, but you not covered ambiance selection :)15:37
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coderusjournal after starting yandex maps:
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TMavicais ur sailfish browser need install again after update15:51
TMavicai dont know it is updated or not15:52
coderusi need to upgrade it to use actual version of engine15:52
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coderusthere is date at openrepos when app was updated :)15:52
TMavicaok. i disabled it and install stock one..15:52
coderusit should be owerwritten automatically during sailfish update :)15:54
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Sceltstephg: mushrooms!17:38
tortoisedocScelt: bad-geer17:39
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specialtortoisedoc: ?17:47
specialit usually helps to just leave questions, btw.17:47
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tortoisedocspecial : any good place to get info on how inputs are processed under wayland?17:55
tortoisedoc(except of source code, that is :P)17:55
specialin our case, the compositor reads evdev, intercepts events it's interested in (e.g. gestures), forwards all others to the active window17:56
specialthen qtwayland on the client is turning them into Qt input events and they go from there17:57
specialthe part in the middle is some wayland spec, I guess.17:57
tortoisedochmm ok18:01
tortoisedoclets assume I would like to get a mouse press through a qwindow on the window below18:02
tortoisedocor better18:02
tortoisedocjust certain events transparently from window a to window b, where window b is below window a18:02
giucamdoes a know about b?18:04
giucamalso, all events or just some?18:04
giucamsome as in only the ones inside some region or some as in only the presses?18:05
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tortoisedocsome as in gestures outside of a specific area :)18:06
tortoisedocbasically I am trying to find a solution to recognize the scrolling of the lockscreen for quickbar18:07
tortoisedocin X, it would have been "easily" (and I limit myself to only one set of quotes) by intercepting the XEvents and handle them18:07
tortoisedocbut in wayland, as the architecture is different - how can the same be done? :|18:08
giucamyou can't intercept events, but wayland has the "input region" concept. a surface sets this inpout region to something and all events outside of it fall through18:08
tortoisedocyes, that is very close18:08
giucamif qtwayland actually respects that18:08
tortoisedocbut not close enough :P18:08
giucambig if18:08
tortoisedocit word18:08
tortoisedoc*works for quickbar18:08
tortoisedocbut the problem is that I need a region where I can actually handle events but pass them on as well18:09
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giucamno, you can't have that18:09
tortoisedocdang :|18:09
tortoisedochmm I read somewhere18:10
giucamare these windows unrelated?18:10
tortoisedocthat wayland compositor sends "damage" events to clients18:10
giucamwell no, the otyher way around18:10
tortoisedocah yes18:11
tortoisedocthe CLIENT sends damage to the server18:11
tortoisedoc(the compositor)18:11
giucambut they have nothing to do with input18:11
tortoisedocin theory, not sending this event should cause the compositor to forward the same event to the next window (window b in our case?)18:12
tortoisedoc(event == damage event)18:12
giucami'm not sure what you mean here, but no18:12
giucamthe damage event is a hint to the compositor so that it doesn't redraw more than neccessary18:12
tortoisedocim sorry im really bad at explaining :/18:12
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giucamthe compositor is free to ignore it18:12
giucamand qtwayland does18:12
tortoisedocok, so I believe the only way this can work is if window a knows window b and can forward events to it strating away18:13
giucami would use a nested compositor approach18:14
giucambut i don't have clear in mind what you're trying to do18:14
tortoisedoca "nested" compositor?18:14
tortoisedocdetail "nested"?18:14
giucamas in a wayland compositor inside a wayland compositor18:14
giucamthe browser works that way, i think18:15
tortoisedocbut this works only @ application level right+18:15
giucami never looked into its codebase, but that's the way to go if you're doing multiprecessing rendering18:15
giucamwhat do you mean at application level?18:15
tortoisedocI mean, both compositors run in the same app18:16
giucamboth? i'm confused here18:16
giucamyou have the main compositor, lipstick18:16
giucamthen you write a wayland client which is also a wayland compositor18:16
giucamand other clients connect to your compositor18:17
giucamand you manage them as you want18:17
tortoisedocso kind of a wayland proxy?18:17
giucamit requires some work, but it's not like writing a full-blown compositor18:17
giucamyou don't need to implement many protocols18:17
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giucamunfortunately qtwayland doesn't support the subsurface protocol yet, that would allow the subcompositor to actually avoid making any composition18:18
tortoisedocyes, Stskeeps mentioned something about it coming in qt 5.3=?18:19
giucamno :)18:19
giucamand 5.3 is out already ;)18:19
tortoisedocon sailfish? :P18:19
giucamno, but it's not like upstream qtwayland support the subsurface protocol ;)18:20
tortoisedocso its still far off18:20
giucamit's not been a priority so far18:21
giucamsubsurfaces are a nice plus but are not terribly needed18:21
giucamtortoisedoc: but maybe you don't actually need to do all that. you're trying to recognize when the lockscreen is scrolled to the homescreen?18:23
tortoisedocgiucam : yes18:23
giucamyeah, that wouldn't work anyway ;)18:23
tortoisedocproblem is that I need more detail than the normal dbus signals :|18:23
tortoisedocnothing is impossible ;)18:24
giucamthey are drawn by lipstick itself, they're not wayland clients18:24
tortoisedochmm - but lipstick *is* a wayland client+18:25
giucamlipstick can be a wayland client, but it isn't on the phone18:25
giucamlipstick is the compositor18:25
piggzwhats the new sailfish like? really wish I had a device for app testing, guess HTC ace is far too old for an android port :)18:25
tortoisedocgiucam : so this means the compositor (on sailfish) is both a compositor and a rendering "client" (pass me the term)18:27
tortoisedoc(as from what I understand from you)18:27
giucamtortoisedoc: the compositor is a QWindow. it draws itself like it wants to, and composites other clients content into it18:27
tortoisedocre-dang :|18:29
tortoisedocso the only way for this to work , would be to add an interface to qml from lipstick18:29
tortoisedoc(im typing my thoughts sorry)18:30
tortoisedocanyways, via wayland it is not possible18:30
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tortoisedocthanks giucam18:31
giucamtortoisedoc: no problem18:31
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tortoisedocgiucam : it seems jolla-lipstick relies on some events which are not available to "normal" apps18:37
tortoisedocfor example the event view screen peeking18:37
tortoisedocis one18:37
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tortoisedocany chance to "downstream" these events to nemomobile? :)18:37
giucamtortoisedoc: lipstick-jolla-home IS lipstick18:38
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giucamlipstick is a library18:38
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tortoisedocso any app's qml should have access to Lipstick.compositor ?18:39
giucamno, that is a lipstick internal thing18:40
giucammaybe i misunderstood what you meant...18:40
tortoisedocah, there we go :P18:40
tortoisedocprobably I misexplained18:40
giucambut peeking doesn't require any "special" event18:40
giucamoops, sorry special :P18:40
tortoisedocnot that it requires, but for lipstick-jolla-home this event it is available from Lipstick.compositor18:41
giucamfrom Qt. the QQuickWindow gets mouse or touch events when you start peeking, and lipstick uses them18:42
locusfqmlRegisterRevision<QQuickWindow,1>("org.nemomobile.lipstick", 0, 1); <- what does this mean in lipstick plugin registering code?18:44
giucami don't know...18:44
giucamnever heard abuot qmlRegisterRevision18:44
* giucam shold have the irc client automatically replacing abuot with about18:45
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tortoisedocthanks giucam for the support btw18:56
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jukeis there any way to make the build process utilize multiple cores?18:57
giucamjuke: are you using mb2?18:58
jukei'm using the ide18:58
giucamthen i don't know18:58
giucamkaltsi: ↑18:59
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kaltsijuke.. a way yes but it's not pretty19:09
kaltsiI just noticed a bug in mb2 so that needs to be fixed to make it prettier.. but yeah19:10
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jukeis it that ugly that i'd rather wait?19:10
kaltsijuke: first, stop MerSDK and reconfigure it with multiple CPUs from VirtualBox UI.. more memory too19:10
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kaltsithen edit your project's spec file so that the line that says %qtc_make %{_smp_mflags} is %qtc_make -jN  where N = num of cpus19:11
kaltsiyou can add the -jN option in qt creator's project settings for make, but the bug in mb2 ignores it19:12
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tortoisedockaltsi : eta for next release of sdk? :P19:13
jukeis # a comment for spec?19:13
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kaltsitortoisedoc: tomorrow, but no gdb fix yet19:14
tortoisedocwoow :D19:14
tortoisedocthen maybe this time ill upgrade :P19:14
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coderuskaltsi: wowowo, -jN option for qtcreator?19:16
lukedirtwalkerhow can i make sure that an app can only be installed on Sailfish version 8 and later?19:17
tortoisedoccoderus : "but the bug in mb2 ignores it"19:17
coderuslukedirtwalker: purpose?19:17
kaltsicoderus: in project settings it's possible to give args to make19:17
coderus01:14 < kaltsi> tortoisedoc: tomorrow19:17
lukedirtwalkercoderus: audio resource changes19:17
coderusso tomorrow it will work? :)19:17
kaltsicoderus: no.. I just now saw this bug and won't fix it by tomorrow :)19:17
tortoisedoccoderus : :P19:18
kaltsibut hey the bug is in this function
coderuslukedirtwalker: use Requires: sailfish-version >= 1.0.819:18
coderuskaltsi: oh19:18
kaltsiit should --define _smp_mflags if -j is given to 'mb2 make'19:18
coderusthen post hotfix changes i can apply manually please asap :)19:19
coderuskaltsi: oh, okay, tahnks :)19:19
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lukedirtwalkercoderus: thanks19:19
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coderuskaltsi: can you please show what to change to enable -j option?19:25
kaltsijuke, coderus.. actually I can't read script anymore.. passing the -j option does work already now hah19:25
kaltsiso no changes needed.. just open project settings and add the -j or -jN option to the Make arguments19:26
coderus-j option working already? :)19:26
tortoisedockaltsi: but you still need to add more cores to mersdk correct?19:26
jukemost times the compilation isn't even the most time consuming part19:26
kaltsitortoisedoc: yes19:26
coderustortoisedoc: kaltsi: i'm using sdk in chroot, so i can use many cores already :D19:27
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kaltsithe chroot is much faster otherwise too.. the virtual machine share mount is quite slow19:28
coderusjuke: right, need to add qtc check if new translations added and if it should generate it again :D19:28
m4g0gis it possible to detect that model was loaded to ListView?19:28
coderusm4g0g: if listView.model == myModel?19:28
m4g0gI need this: messagesView.model = userMessagesDataModel; messagesView.positionViewAtEnd ()19:29
coderusm4g0g: check listView.count19:29
coderusit count > 019:29
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jukehow do i set that up?19:29
jukethe chroot environment19:29
jukeis there a howto somewhere?19:29
jukethank you!19:30
jukethat might save me hours19:30
m4g0gcoderus: doesn't work19:31
coderusit's really easy to setup19:31
coderusand then you can just zypper ref && zypper up your environment and sb2 targets :D19:31
coderusm4g0g: then you should emit some signal from model :)19:31
m4g0gi did it in model19:32
coderusm4g0g: i mean is your model C++ or js custom?19:32
m4g0gcoderus: с++19:32
m4g0gis it important?19:32
kaltsiwut.. N++?19:32
coderusm4g0g: so add signal and emit it when you actually load your model19:32
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coderusand listen it on QML side19:32
coderusm4g0g: just its easier19:33
m4g0g>  when you actually load your model19:33
m4g0gi don't understand this19:33
coderusm4g0g: it's your model. you should understand it19:33
m4g0gwhat do you mean under : when you actually load your model19:33
coderuswho if it isn't you? :D19:33
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coderuswhen you load data completed19:34
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coderuskaltsi: what? :)19:34
m4g0gcoderus: how I can detect this if all this performs in qml? I take model from model and replace first with second in view19:35
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coderusm4g0g: :D19:35
lrtzis there a list of updated packages with versions somewhere?19:35
kaltsicoderus: meh some font mixup in my irssi..19:35
coderusso the data in model is loaded, but doesnt show in listview yet19:35
m4g0gI replace one model with another and I need to show last items from this new model19:36
coderusm4g0g: if listView.count == listView.model.count :)19:36
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m4g0gcoderus: it's better, but it shows in the middle of listview19:41
coderusm4g0g: try positioViewAtIndex(count - 1, ListView.End)19:42
coderusand if not add some 50-100ms Timer19:42
m4g0gcoderus: ListView.Beginning. The same, I have tested. Timer - this is only one working solution ((19:43
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coderusso, anyone can help me to debug gps problem with andriod apps ?19:54
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jukei'm just so happy how fast the chroot thing is20:06
jukethis should be the default installation20:07
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tortoisedockaltsi: it would be great to get rid of the annoying "connectivity" issues to the mersdk20:12
kaltsijuke: if it would work in osx and windows, it would be20:16
jukeforgot about those oses20:16
kaltsithere's an internal bug to have that chroot/something like it available as an alternative in linux20:16
kaltsibut there's a limited set of people working on the sdk and it's not top priority rightnow20:17
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camerisI got a problem with ListItem. I have a ListView with ListItem as delegate, but the onReleased signal handler is not executed when I move the mouse. MouseArea does not have this problem. Anybody got an idea why?21:01
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camerisfor clarification: pressing the ListItem, then moving the mouse, then releasing.21:02
coderuscameris: do you have menu inside your delegates>21:02
coderusso, your menu seems to be invoked if you hold your finger21:03
coderusand it steals your mouse event21:03
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coderusmark it as "feature"21:03
camerishmm, sounds reasonable21:03
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camerisdisabled the menu, still nothing. Also it doesn't seem that the menu steals the event, since if I release after the menu has opened, the release signal works.21:13
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cameriswell nvm, was just testing some functions and since I don't know how to do a pinch gesture in the emulator (is this even possible?), I used the MouseArea stuff to test instead of PinchArea.21:17
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jukeis it normal that starting the chroot build engine takes forever?22:27
jukeit seems to run find /home/mersdk which is slow22:28
jukethe sailfishos update broke my app22:30
juke don't know what to make of it22:33
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jukeok, it seems it's location api22:46
jukeis libQt5Positioning deprecated or something?22:46
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jukehow should positioning be done in harbour apps?23:03
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jukeguess i'll start have to studying dbus23:32
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