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| tbr | useretail: while it might technically be possible to get /something/ working, I don't think it would work well. | 05:53 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | g'day peeps | 08:43 |
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| stephg | random dev chat: does anyone know if the pi b+ still has the network tied at the hip to the USB? | 08:55 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | stephg, same chipset ... shitty as usual | 08:58 |
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| stephg | shame | 09:01 |
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| pp_ | a20-linuxino looks way nicer :-) | 09:01 |
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| stephg | hehe but I don't want to order 10 of them ;) | 09:03 |
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| pp_ | hmn, their page seems to allow orders of one :-) | 09:08 |
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| tortoisedoc | jeee :D | 09:13 |
| stephg | surprised noone's asked yet... | 09:13 |
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| tortoisedoc | i guess the fact everyone is super-silent prooves something is boiling in the cattle? ;) | 09:48 |
| Nicd- | I sure hope the cattle aren't boiling | 09:49 |
| Nicd- | :D | 09:49 |
| tortoisedoc | not THE cattle but IN the cattle :P | 09:49 |
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| tortoisedoc | special:ping | 09:50 |
| Nicd- | tortoisedoc: I hope you mean kettle instead of cattle | 09:51 |
| Nicd- | this is cattle: http://smithmeadows.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Cattle.jpg | 09:51 |
| tbr | mooo | 09:52 |
| * tbr prods the kettle with his cattle prod. | 09:53 | |
| kimmoli | someone has wondered difference of those two earlier > http://challengeoflearningusenglish.blogspot.fi/2014/03/cattle-vs-kettle-short-aa-and-short-e.html | 09:55 |
| tortoisedoc | lol | 09:56 |
| tortoisedoc | the more i live in finland the more my english goes wankers | 09:57 |
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| tortoisedoc | kimmoli : mines is just a syntax error generated out of my profoundly ignorant (and lazy) barin | 09:58 |
| tortoisedoc | *brain as well | 09:58 |
| kimmoli | just blame the frog doing spell-checking slowly | 09:58 |
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| pp_ | weather might be worse this week so QA might be doing testing vs. drinking beer at the beach | 10:49 |
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| ruskie | lol | 10:55 |
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| stephg | I wish I was drinking beer on the beach :/ | 10:59 |
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| pp_ | me too :( | 11:00 |
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| stephg | well I got half of my last wish granted | 13:28 |
| Nicd- | all britney spears albums? | 13:29 |
| stephg | HOW DID YOU KNOW! | 13:29 |
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| Nicd- | http://i.imgur.com/96t6I9m.gif | 13:30 |
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| stephg | haha :) | 13:32 |
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| kimmoli | stephg: you are on beach? | 13:35 |
| kimmoli | without beer | 13:35 |
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| stephg | just debating in my head whether that's the better option | 13:39 |
| stephg | my wish ends in ~100ml then I have to come back to the real world | 13:39 |
| stephg | boo | 13:39 |
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| Scelt | stephg: mush? | 13:51 |
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| locusf | hmm latest update broke mb2? | 15:28 |
| special | nope? | 15:28 |
| kaltsi | broke how? | 15:28 |
| locusf | http://pastie.org/9389070 | 15:28 |
| locusf | or rather pkcon deployment | 15:28 |
| kaltsi | you don't have the latest update | 15:28 |
| locusf | for sdk? | 15:29 |
| kaltsi | nod | 15:29 |
| kaltsi | looks like you're using 1404? | 15:29 |
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| coderus | :) | 15:29 |
| coderus | update :) | 15:29 |
| locusf | ah ok | 15:29 |
| coderus | phone update :) | 15:29 |
| coderus | sdk update :) | 15:29 |
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| coderus | updates :) | 15:29 |
| kaltsi | sdk 1406 started using sdk-deploy-rpm instead of pkcon .. pkcon install-local is not supported for users anymore in update8 | 15:29 |
| locusf | my sdk says no updates available | 15:29 |
| kaltsi | locusf: if you want to avoid downloads.. wait for tomorrow to get 1407 sdk :) | 15:29 |
| stephg | :) | 15:30 |
| stephg | cool | 15:30 |
| locusf | kaltsi: mb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl -d "Jolla" deploy --pkcon <- so this doesn't work anymore? | 15:30 |
| kaltsi | locusf: do you have Installdir/sdk-release file? | 15:30 |
| kaltsi | locusf: yep.. use --sdk instead | 15:30 |
| locusf | kaltsi: okay | 15:30 |
| coderus | locusf: deploy --sdk now | 15:30 |
| locusf | yeah that worked, thanks! | 15:31 |
| coderus | i can't get gps working in android anymore after update :( | 15:31 |
| kaltsi | np.. I incorrectly assumed you were in qt creator, which is why I thought you might not have the latest sdk | 15:31 |
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| stephg | gps works for me in 4sq coderus | 15:34 |
| coderus | stephg: yandex maps :( | 15:35 |
| coderus | it doesnt start gps =( | 15:36 |
| stephg | oh :( | 15:36 |
| coderus | before update it worked :( | 15:36 |
| coderus | ah, and also now it showing Google servicces failed to start message | 15:36 |
| coderus | and new tutorial is very good, but you not covered ambiance selection :) | 15:37 |
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| coderus | journal after starting yandex maps: http://paste.kde.org/pxzbcthwf | 15:45 |
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| TMavica | coderus | 15:50 |
| coderus | TMavica | 15:51 |
| TMavica | is ur sailfish browser need install again after update | 15:51 |
| TMavica | i dont know it is updated or not | 15:52 |
| coderus | i need to upgrade it to use actual version of engine | 15:52 |
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| coderus | there is date at openrepos when app was updated :) | 15:52 |
| TMavica | ok. i disabled it and install stock one.. | 15:52 |
| coderus | it should be owerwritten automatically during sailfish update :) | 15:54 |
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| Scelt | stephg: mushrooms! | 17:38 |
| tortoisedoc | Scelt: bad-geer | 17:39 |
| tortoisedoc | jeee | 17:39 |
| tortoisedoc | update! | 17:39 |
| tortoisedoc | special:riping | 17:40 |
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| special | tortoisedoc: ? | 17:47 |
| special | it usually helps to just leave questions, btw. | 17:47 |
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| tortoisedoc | lol | 17:54 |
| tortoisedoc | special : any good place to get info on how inputs are processed under wayland? | 17:55 |
| tortoisedoc | (except of source code, that is :P) | 17:55 |
| special | in our case, the compositor reads evdev, intercepts events it's interested in (e.g. gestures), forwards all others to the active window | 17:56 |
| special | then qtwayland on the client is turning them into Qt input events and they go from there | 17:57 |
| special | the part in the middle is some wayland spec, I guess. | 17:57 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm ok | 18:01 |
| tortoisedoc | so | 18:01 |
| tortoisedoc | lets assume I would like to get a mouse press through a qwindow on the window below | 18:02 |
| tortoisedoc | or better | 18:02 |
| tortoisedoc | just certain events transparently from window a to window b, where window b is below window a | 18:02 |
| giucam | does a know about b? | 18:04 |
| giucam | also, all events or just some? | 18:04 |
| tortoisedoc | some | 18:04 |
| giucam | some as in only the ones inside some region or some as in only the presses? | 18:05 |
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| tortoisedoc | some as in gestures outside of a specific area :) | 18:06 |
| tortoisedoc | basically I am trying to find a solution to recognize the scrolling of the lockscreen for quickbar | 18:07 |
| tortoisedoc | in X, it would have been "easily" (and I limit myself to only one set of quotes) by intercepting the XEvents and handle them | 18:07 |
| tortoisedoc | but in wayland, as the architecture is different - how can the same be done? :| | 18:08 |
| giucam | you can't intercept events, but wayland has the "input region" concept. a surface sets this inpout region to something and all events outside of it fall through | 18:08 |
| tortoisedoc | yes, that is very close | 18:08 |
| giucam | if qtwayland actually respects that | 18:08 |
| tortoisedoc | but not close enough :P | 18:08 |
| giucam | big if | 18:08 |
| tortoisedoc | it word | 18:08 |
| tortoisedoc | *works for quickbar | 18:08 |
| tortoisedoc | but the problem is that I need a region where I can actually handle events but pass them on as well | 18:09 |
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| giucam | no, you can't have that | 18:09 |
| tortoisedoc | dang :| | 18:09 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm I read somewhere | 18:10 |
| giucam | are these windows unrelated? | 18:10 |
| tortoisedoc | that wayland compositor sends "damage" events to clients | 18:10 |
| giucam | yes | 18:10 |
| giucam | well no, the otyher way around | 18:10 |
| tortoisedoc | ah yes | 18:11 |
| tortoisedoc | sorry | 18:11 |
| tortoisedoc | the CLIENT sends damage to the server | 18:11 |
| tortoisedoc | (the compositor) | 18:11 |
| giucam | but they have nothing to do with input | 18:11 |
| tortoisedoc | in theory, not sending this event should cause the compositor to forward the same event to the next window (window b in our case?) | 18:12 |
| tortoisedoc | (event == damage event) | 18:12 |
| giucam | i'm not sure what you mean here, but no | 18:12 |
| giucam | the damage event is a hint to the compositor so that it doesn't redraw more than neccessary | 18:12 |
| tortoisedoc | im sorry im really bad at explaining :/ | 18:12 |
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| giucam | the compositor is free to ignore it | 18:12 |
| giucam | and qtwayland does | 18:12 |
| tortoisedoc | ok, so I believe the only way this can work is if window a knows window b and can forward events to it strating away | 18:13 |
| tortoisedoc | correct? | 18:13 |
| giucam | yes | 18:13 |
| giucam | i would use a nested compositor approach | 18:14 |
| giucam | but i don't have clear in mind what you're trying to do | 18:14 |
| tortoisedoc | a "nested" compositor? | 18:14 |
| giucam | yes | 18:14 |
| tortoisedoc | detail "nested"? | 18:14 |
| giucam | as in a wayland compositor inside a wayland compositor | 18:14 |
| giucam | the browser works that way, i think | 18:15 |
| tortoisedoc | but this works only @ application level right+ | 18:15 |
| giucam | i never looked into its codebase, but that's the way to go if you're doing multiprecessing rendering | 18:15 |
| tortoisedoc | ? | 18:15 |
| giucam | what do you mean at application level? | 18:15 |
| tortoisedoc | I mean, both compositors run in the same app | 18:16 |
| giucam | both? i'm confused here | 18:16 |
| giucam | you have the main compositor, lipstick | 18:16 |
| giucam | then you write a wayland client which is also a wayland compositor | 18:16 |
| giucam | and other clients connect to your compositor | 18:17 |
| giucam | and you manage them as you want | 18:17 |
| tortoisedoc | so kind of a wayland proxy? | 18:17 |
| giucam | kinda | 18:17 |
| giucam | it requires some work, but it's not like writing a full-blown compositor | 18:17 |
| giucam | you don't need to implement many protocols | 18:17 |
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| giucam | unfortunately qtwayland doesn't support the subsurface protocol yet, that would allow the subcompositor to actually avoid making any composition | 18:18 |
| tortoisedoc | yes, Stskeeps mentioned something about it coming in qt 5.3=? | 18:19 |
| giucam | no :) | 18:19 |
| tortoisedoc | :D | 18:19 |
| giucam | and 5.3 is out already ;) | 18:19 |
| tortoisedoc | on sailfish? :P | 18:19 |
| giucam | no, but it's not like upstream qtwayland support the subsurface protocol ;) | 18:20 |
| tortoisedoc | :S | 18:20 |
| tortoisedoc | so its still far off | 18:20 |
| giucam | it's not been a priority so far | 18:21 |
| giucam | subsurfaces are a nice plus but are not terribly needed | 18:21 |
| giucam | tortoisedoc: but maybe you don't actually need to do all that. you're trying to recognize when the lockscreen is scrolled to the homescreen? | 18:23 |
| tortoisedoc | giucam : yes | 18:23 |
| giucam | yeah, that wouldn't work anyway ;) | 18:23 |
| tortoisedoc | problem is that I need more detail than the normal dbus signals :| | 18:23 |
| tortoisedoc | nothing is impossible ;) | 18:24 |
| giucam | they are drawn by lipstick itself, they're not wayland clients | 18:24 |
| tortoisedoc | hmm - but lipstick *is* a wayland client+ | 18:25 |
| tortoisedoc | ? | 18:25 |
| giucam | lipstick can be a wayland client, but it isn't on the phone | 18:25 |
| giucam | lipstick is the compositor | 18:25 |
| piggz | whats the new sailfish like? really wish I had a device for app testing, guess HTC ace is far too old for an android port :) | 18:25 |
| tortoisedoc | giucam : so this means the compositor (on sailfish) is both a compositor and a rendering "client" (pass me the term) | 18:27 |
| tortoisedoc | (as from what I understand from you) | 18:27 |
| giucam | tortoisedoc: the compositor is a QWindow. it draws itself like it wants to, and composites other clients content into it | 18:27 |
| tortoisedoc | re-dang :| | 18:29 |
| tortoisedoc | so the only way for this to work , would be to add an interface to qml from lipstick | 18:29 |
| tortoisedoc | (im typing my thoughts sorry) | 18:30 |
| tortoisedoc | anyways, via wayland it is not possible | 18:30 |
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| tortoisedoc | thanks giucam | 18:31 |
| giucam | tortoisedoc: no problem | 18:31 |
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| tortoisedoc | giucam : it seems jolla-lipstick relies on some events which are not available to "normal" apps | 18:37 |
| tortoisedoc | for example the event view screen peeking | 18:37 |
| tortoisedoc | is one | 18:37 |
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| tortoisedoc | any chance to "downstream" these events to nemomobile? :) | 18:37 |
| giucam | tortoisedoc: lipstick-jolla-home IS lipstick | 18:38 |
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| giucam | lipstick is a library | 18:38 |
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| tortoisedoc | so any app's qml should have access to Lipstick.compositor ? | 18:39 |
| giucam | no, that is a lipstick internal thing | 18:40 |
| giucam | maybe i misunderstood what you meant... | 18:40 |
| tortoisedoc | ah, there we go :P | 18:40 |
| tortoisedoc | probably I misexplained | 18:40 |
| giucam | but peeking doesn't require any "special" event | 18:40 |
| giucam | oops, sorry special :P | 18:40 |
| tortoisedoc | lol | 18:40 |
| tortoisedoc | not that it requires, but for lipstick-jolla-home this event it is available from Lipstick.compositor | 18:41 |
| giucam | from Qt. the QQuickWindow gets mouse or touch events when you start peeking, and lipstick uses them | 18:42 |
| locusf | qmlRegisterRevision<QQuickWindow,1>("org.nemomobile.lipstick", 0, 1); <- what does this mean in lipstick plugin registering code? | 18:44 |
| giucam | i don't know... | 18:44 |
| giucam | never heard abuot qmlRegisterRevision | 18:44 |
| * giucam shold have the irc client automatically replacing abuot with about | 18:45 | |
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| tortoisedoc | thanks giucam for the support btw | 18:56 |
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| juke | is there any way to make the build process utilize multiple cores? | 18:57 |
| giucam | juke: are you using mb2? | 18:58 |
| juke | i'm using the ide | 18:58 |
| giucam | then i don't know | 18:58 |
| giucam | kaltsi: ↑ | 18:59 |
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| kaltsi | juke.. a way yes but it's not pretty | 19:09 |
| kaltsi | I just noticed a bug in mb2 so that needs to be fixed to make it prettier.. but yeah | 19:10 |
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| juke | is it that ugly that i'd rather wait? | 19:10 |
| kaltsi | juke: first, stop MerSDK and reconfigure it with multiple CPUs from VirtualBox UI.. more memory too | 19:10 |
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| kaltsi | then edit your project's spec file so that the line that says %qtc_make %{_smp_mflags} is %qtc_make -jN where N = num of cpus | 19:11 |
| kaltsi | you can add the -jN option in qt creator's project settings for make, but the bug in mb2 ignores it | 19:12 |
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| tortoisedoc | kaltsi : eta for next release of sdk? :P | 19:13 |
| juke | is # a comment for spec? | 19:13 |
| kaltsi | yes | 19:13 |
| juke | thanks | 19:13 |
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| kaltsi | tortoisedoc: tomorrow, but no gdb fix yet | 19:14 |
| tortoisedoc | woow :D | 19:14 |
| tortoisedoc | then maybe this time ill upgrade :P | 19:14 |
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| coderus | kaltsi: wowowo, -jN option for qtcreator? | 19:16 |
| lukedirtwalker | how can i make sure that an app can only be installed on Sailfish version 8 and later? | 19:17 |
| tortoisedoc | coderus : "but the bug in mb2 ignores it" | 19:17 |
| tortoisedoc | :| | 19:17 |
| coderus | lukedirtwalker: purpose? | 19:17 |
| kaltsi | coderus: in project settings it's possible to give args to make | 19:17 |
| coderus | 01:14 < kaltsi> tortoisedoc: tomorrow | 19:17 |
| lukedirtwalker | coderus: audio resource changes | 19:17 |
| coderus | so tomorrow it will work? :) | 19:17 |
| kaltsi | coderus: no.. I just now saw this bug and won't fix it by tomorrow :) | 19:17 |
| tortoisedoc | coderus : :P | 19:18 |
| kaltsi | but hey the bug is in this function https://github.com/sailfish-sdk/sdk-setup/blob/master/sdk-setup/src/mb2#L359 | 19:18 |
| coderus | lukedirtwalker: use Requires: sailfish-version >= 1.0.8 | 19:18 |
| coderus | kaltsi: oh | 19:18 |
| kaltsi | it should --define _smp_mflags if -j is given to 'mb2 make' | 19:18 |
| coderus | then post hotfix changes i can apply manually please asap :) | 19:19 |
| coderus | kaltsi: oh, okay, tahnks :) | 19:19 |
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| lukedirtwalker | coderus: thanks | 19:19 |
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| coderus | kaltsi: can you please show what to change to enable -j option? | 19:25 |
| kaltsi | juke, coderus.. actually I can't read script anymore.. passing the -j option does work already now hah | 19:25 |
| kaltsi | so no changes needed.. just open project settings and add the -j or -jN option to the Make arguments | 19:26 |
| coderus | -j option working already? :) | 19:26 |
| coderus | :D | 19:26 |
| coderus | ok | 19:26 |
| tortoisedoc | kaltsi: but you still need to add more cores to mersdk correct? | 19:26 |
| juke | most times the compilation isn't even the most time consuming part | 19:26 |
| kaltsi | tortoisedoc: yes | 19:26 |
| coderus | tortoisedoc: kaltsi: i'm using sdk in chroot, so i can use many cores already :D | 19:27 |
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| m4g0g | hello | 19:28 |
| kaltsi | the chroot is much faster otherwise too.. the virtual machine share mount is quite slow | 19:28 |
| coderus | juke: right, need to add qtc check if new translations added and if it should generate it again :D | 19:28 |
| m4g0g | is it possible to detect that model was loaded to ListView? | 19:28 |
| coderus | m4g0g: if listView.model == myModel? | 19:28 |
| m4g0g | I need this: messagesView.model = userMessagesDataModel; messagesView.positionViewAtEnd () | 19:29 |
| coderus | ah | 19:29 |
| coderus | m4g0g: check listView.count | 19:29 |
| coderus | it count > 0 | 19:29 |
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| coderus | if* | 19:29 |
| juke | how do i set that up? | 19:29 |
| juke | the chroot environment | 19:29 |
| juke | is there a howto somewhere? | 19:29 |
| coderus | https://katastrophos.net/andre/blog/2014/03/29/running-sailfishos-build-engine-outside-virtualbox-vm/ | 19:30 |
| juke | thank you! | 19:30 |
| juke | that might save me hours | 19:30 |
| m4g0g | coderus: doesn't work | 19:31 |
| coderus | it's really easy to setup | 19:31 |
| coderus | and then you can just zypper ref && zypper up your environment and sb2 targets :D | 19:31 |
| m4g0g | http://bpaste.net/show/RnisdKnDxlsFfmo38lYp/ | 19:31 |
| coderus | m4g0g: then you should emit some signal from model :) | 19:31 |
| m4g0g | i did it in model | 19:32 |
| m4g0g | onCountChanged | 19:32 |
| coderus | m4g0g: i mean is your model C++ or js custom? | 19:32 |
| m4g0g | coderus: с++ | 19:32 |
| m4g0g | is it important? | 19:32 |
| kaltsi | wut.. N++? | 19:32 |
| coderus | m4g0g: so add signal and emit it when you actually load your model | 19:32 |
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| coderus | and listen it on QML side | 19:32 |
| coderus | m4g0g: just its easier | 19:33 |
| m4g0g | > when you actually load your model | 19:33 |
| m4g0g | i don't understand this | 19:33 |
| coderus | m4g0g: it's your model. you should understand it | 19:33 |
| m4g0g | what do you mean under : when you actually load your model | 19:33 |
| coderus | who if it isn't you? :D | 19:33 |
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| coderus | when you load data completed | 19:34 |
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| coderus | kaltsi: what? :) | 19:34 |
| m4g0g | coderus: how I can detect this if all this performs in qml? I take model from model and replace first with second in view | 19:35 |
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| coderus | m4g0g: :D | 19:35 |
| lrtz | is there a list of updated packages with versions somewhere? | 19:35 |
| kaltsi | coderus: meh some font mixup in my irssi.. | 19:35 |
| coderus | so the data in model is loaded, but doesnt show in listview yet | 19:35 |
| coderus | ? | 19:35 |
| m4g0g | yes | 19:35 |
| m4g0g | I replace one model with another and I need to show last items from this new model | 19:36 |
| coderus | m4g0g: if listView.count == listView.model.count :) | 19:36 |
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| m4g0g | coderus: it's better, but it shows in the middle of listview | 19:41 |
| coderus | m4g0g: try positioViewAtIndex(count - 1, ListView.End) | 19:42 |
| coderus | and if not add some 50-100ms Timer | 19:42 |
| m4g0g | coderus: ListView.Beginning. The same, I have tested. Timer - this is only one working solution (( | 19:43 |
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| coderus | so, anyone can help me to debug gps problem with andriod apps ? | 19:54 |
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| juke | i'm just so happy how fast the chroot thing is | 20:06 |
| juke | this should be the default installation | 20:07 |
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| tortoisedoc | grrr | 20:11 |
| tortoisedoc | kaltsi: it would be great to get rid of the annoying "connectivity" issues to the mersdk | 20:12 |
| kaltsi | juke: if it would work in osx and windows, it would be | 20:16 |
| juke | right | 20:16 |
| juke | forgot about those oses | 20:16 |
| kaltsi | there's an internal bug to have that chroot/something like it available as an alternative in linux | 20:16 |
| kaltsi | but there's a limited set of people working on the sdk and it's not top priority rightnow | 20:17 |
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| cameris | I got a problem with ListItem. I have a ListView with ListItem as delegate, but the onReleased signal handler is not executed when I move the mouse. MouseArea does not have this problem. Anybody got an idea why? | 21:01 |
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| cameris | for clarification: pressing the ListItem, then moving the mouse, then releasing. | 21:02 |
| coderus | cameris: do you have menu inside your delegates> | 21:02 |
| coderus | ? | 21:02 |
| cameris | yes | 21:02 |
| coderus | so, your menu seems to be invoked if you hold your finger | 21:03 |
| coderus | and it steals your mouse event | 21:03 |
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| coderus | mark it as "feature" | 21:03 |
| cameris | hmm, sounds reasonable | 21:03 |
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| cameris | disabled the menu, still nothing. Also it doesn't seem that the menu steals the event, since if I release after the menu has opened, the release signal works. | 21:13 |
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| cameris | well nvm, was just testing some functions and since I don't know how to do a pinch gesture in the emulator (is this even possible?), I used the MouseArea stuff to test instead of PinchArea. | 21:17 |
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| juke | is it normal that starting the chroot build engine takes forever? | 22:27 |
| juke | it seems to run find /home/mersdk which is slow | 22:28 |
| juke | the sailfishos update broke my app | 22:30 |
| juke | http://paste.debian.net/hidden/394247ad/ don't know what to make of it | 22:33 |
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| juke | ok, it seems it's location api | 22:46 |
| juke | is libQt5Positioning deprecated or something? | 22:46 |
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| juke | how should positioning be done in harbour apps? | 23:03 |
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| juke | guess i'll start have to studying dbus | 23:32 |
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