Sunday, 2014-07-20

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kimmolisdk please  :-1: warning: File `Makefile' has modification time 0.6 s in the future05:45
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coderusMitakuuluu v0.8.1 Beta3 Build. Release Canditade: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1433390#post143339005:59
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kimmoliok, using QSettings with SystemScope - App is "readonly" and sends changes over dbus method to daemon, which writes them to conf file, in /etc/xdg/06:21
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coderuskimmoli: why?..06:36
coderususing QSettings with SystemScope06:37
coderuswhy?06:37
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FireFlyHow come the SDK ships with such an old version of gcc?08:52
stephgthat's the toolchain currently in use in Sailfish?08:52
stephg(I don't know the answer but I suspect arch compatibility)08:53
FireFlyAs in, targets supported by GCC and stuff?08:53
FireFlySurely newer gcc versions ought to support armv7hl too..08:54
stephgyeah, it's mer as well so I guess there is a requirement to support more than just arm too08:54
FireFlyAh08:54
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FireFlyOh indeed, turns out MIPS is the culprit08:59
FireFlyhttps://together.jolla.com/question/12588/update-gcc-in-sdk/08:59
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FireFlythough according to that post it seems the plan was to disable the MIPS build and update anyway09:02
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stephgI'm guessing that's a non-trivial amount of work :)09:04
FireFlyI guess I'm just too impatient, hehe09:05
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squiddSo I updated to the 1.0.8 and now I cant install anything with warehouse or pkcon, getting Fatal error: Failed to obtain authentication.10:22
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stephgsquidd: yes10:23
stephgthat's a thing10:23
squiddHow to fix? :)10:23
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squiddah, nevermind, found it10:26
stephghttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1433045&postcount=34310:26
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Guest657hi guys, I've started to port sailfish os to galaxy s3 i9300 using the HADK, but I've run into a problem that I don't know how to fix, if someone knows how to fix it please help :)11:47
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Guest657the error is: ERROR: i9300 does not have mountpoint fixup data - see SailfishOS HADK for details on how to fix this Check: device/samsung/i9300/recovery.fstab11:48
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Nicd-how can I create a page dynamically in QML? and keep it hidden14:26
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Nicd-just with Qt.createComponent("../pages/BufferView.qml"); and then component.createObject() I get loads of ReferenceError: __silica_applicationwindow_instance is not defined14:26
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kimmolicoderus: dont know...14:41
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kimmolicoderus: or actually i do... daemon is running as root, app as nemo. that was a common "location" which they both are aware of14:49
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elenrilhmm, the emulator seems to be stuck in landcape mode here14:53
elenrilis it supposed to do that?14:53
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log`Hi there. I am very interested in trying out SailfishOS on other devices than the jolla. Is there any news regarding a release for android devices or maybe the Raspberry Pi?15:35
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Sfiet_Konstantinlog`: the release for android devices is basically /join #sailfishos-porters :)15:36
log`Sfiet_Konstantin: cool, thanks :)15:36
Sfiet_Konstantinlog`: http://releases.sailfishos.org/sfa-ea/2014-07-18_SailfishOSHardwareAdaptationDevelopmentKit.pdf15:36
Sfiet_Konstantinyou hare tihs to get started15:36
Sfiet_Konstantinfor the rpi (that have no screen), please consider mer (merproject.org)15:36
Sfiet_Konstantinand /join #mer :)15:37
log`awesome, my roommate gave me an old android phone and I thought I'd play around with it15:37
log`very informative, thanks a bunch!15:37
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Nicd-so, how can I create pages that are in the background (not in the pagestack)?15:44
Nicd-in javascript15:44
locusfbetter wait for the revised version of hadk tomorrow :)15:44
Nicd-log`: Sailfish cannot run on the RPi because it requires amrv715:44
Nicd-RPi is armv615:45
log`I see.15:45
log`locusf: if theres a new  one coming out tomorrow I will definitely check that out, thanks15:46
locusflog`: which device you have now?15:46
log`hang on, let me check15:46
log`it's an HTC of some kind15:47
locusfjust make sure you can run cyanogenmod 10 on it15:47
log`alright, thanks15:48
log`like i said, it was a gift from my roommate cause the screen was broken and he was going to throw it out15:48
locusfok15:49
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log`hmm, HTC 99HKZ013, I think it's a Desire15:50
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log`on the cyanogenmod supported devices wiki it says CM Support: 715:53
log`so I guess that means it only runs cyanogenmod 7?15:53
locusfyep15:55
log`aw shucks, too bad. thanks for letting me know :)15:56
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coderuskimmoli: root can write in user location :)16:42
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coderuskimmoli: imho better behaviour is changing settings by client, server just reading settings :)16:42
coderusNicd-: why creating pages and not pushing to stack?16:42
coderusbtw, Mitakuuluu 0.8.1 release in some hours. Update your translations now!16:43
Nicd-I was thinking of having a page for each channel in my IRC client16:47
Nicd-and then switch pages with the channel list16:48
Nicd-also does 0.8.1 have the busyloop fixed?16:48
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coderusNicd-: probably/ you say me that.16:55
coderusNicd-: use carousel, like in Tweetian, it's better choice imho16:55
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Nicd-coderus: do you mean slideshow?16:59
Nicd-I thought about it at first but the problem is, I have 37 channels17:00
Nicd-so a channel side-pull list is much better17:00
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Novice201yHello. Is it good idea to byt used Nokia N9 to install Sailfish OS on it?17:20
ln-Not really.17:21
Novice201yln-: Why?17:22
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Nicd-there is no official build and I don't think most stuff works in the unofficial ones17:23
Novice201yNicd-: Source?17:24
Nicd-a lot of sources for "no official build"17:24
Nicd-don't know any source for the status of unofficial builds though17:25
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Novice201yNicd-: Check this out http://wiki.maemo.org/Sailfish17:33
coderusNicd-: then use tabs :)17:34
coderusNovice201y: N9 have pretty ols SailfishOS version and not updating anymore17:35
coderusNovice201y: better byuy nexus4 for sailfishos17:35
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Nicd-coderus: what do you mean? silica doesn't have builtin tabs17:36
Nicd-and is it not possible to create background pages then?17:36
coderusNicd-: create yours17:36
coderussilica have many other good things17:36
coderushave no*17:36
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coderusNicd-: you can have any objects anywhere :)17:37
Nicd-I'd like to avoid doing stuff myself if it can be done with builtins or less code17:37
Nicd-in this case I'm already creating the pages dynamically but I'm getting Reference Errors17:37
coderusNicd-: errors?17:38
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coderusaccessing global objectgs and its parameters?17:38
Nicd-after creating a page I get stuff like ReferenceError: __silica_applicationwindow_instance is not defined17:38
Nicd-and ReferenceError: pageStack is not defined17:38
Nicd-from silica's own qml files17:38
coderusah that one17:39
coderusyou should not —Āreate orphan pages17:39
coderuscheck how pagestack creares page17:40
coderusand us that code for yourself17:40
coderuscreates*17:40
Nicd-ok, so I should give them a parent17:42
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coderusNicd-: sure, to access parent properties you should have that parent :)17:45
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kenguhum. I took three photos with my Jolla (not connected to data network). Shared one to facebook. Remembered I have data off, turned on wifi, looked et transfers, stating waiting (tapping opens empty submenu), tried to go to gallery to reshare, all three photos missing, back to transfers, photo still there - stating failed.17:49
Novice201yWill there be possibility to code Sailfish apps in Xamarin?17:52
wmaronemaybe if Xamarin added a Qt interface?17:54
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Nicd-coderus: just giving them a parent page does not fix the problem17:57
Nicd-I'll have to take a look at the pagestack sources17:57
coderusNicd-: you should give them pageStack parent :)17:58
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coderuscheck pageStack code as i said17:58
Nicd-I would if I could find it :P17:59
coderus/usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica/PageStack.js17:59
Nicd-would be easier if it was on github18:00
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coderusNicd-: open device with sshfs/sftp :)18:03
coderusit's very easy and common action for me :D18:04
coderusor just copy all usr/lib/qt5/qml and usr/share to pc18:04
coderusit's very helpful data :)18:04
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Nicd-yeah, I found them18:07
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coderusbut probably you dont' need Pages really18:10
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coderusyou need to have one pages and just content items inside18:10
coderusjust items, not pages18:10
kenguhum. photos are in filesystem. gallery just is not showing those18:10
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kimmolitry tracker-control -es18:11
Nicd-coderus: that's my backup plan, I'll just have one page and change all the contents. but would rather have separate pages18:11
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coderusPuma starting too slow... imho Ruby in old sdk started faster :)18:16
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ryukafalzHmm, is the version of lipstick-jolla-home-qt5 preinstalled on the mako image not available in the repos?18:35
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ryukafalzwas trying to revert after trying out the glacier homescreen, and the version preinstalled on the device was 0.21.2.5+sfe1-10.6.2.jolla.armv7hl, but the version in the repos seems to be 0.21.2.5-10.41.3.jolla.armv7hl18:39
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ryukafalzwhich appears to be older18:40
ryukafalzand it *works*, but the scaling of the background image is wrong on this device18:40
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coderusMitakuuluu 0.8.1 released. DL: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu LOG: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/releases/tag/0.8.118:42
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kimmoli\o oo my reported bug got fixied...18:50
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tortoisedocI wonder19:13
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tortoisedochow comes there is no css in qml?19:13
tortoisedoci.e., no qml+css combination19:13
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tortoisedocgrr19:22
tortoisedocit seems importing qml files from qrc: is difficult19:22
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elenrilis there any documentation on how exactly the urls passed to pageStack.push() are resolved?19:48
elenrili'm a bit confused, since passing just the base filename works from the initial page, but not from a deeper page (getting a file not found)19:51
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elenriland it's searching in file:///usr/lib/qt5/qml/ for some reason, instead of the app pages dir19:51
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coderuselenril: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qqmlengine.html#addImportPath20:45
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henkhi21:45
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coderuskimmoli: your bug was fixed time ago, you know :)))22:12
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hoodlumDon't suppose there's anyone here with good experience with sailfish OS that can help me go through if a few ideas would be possible before I start22:18
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smokuhoodlum: why don't you just ask and see what happens, instead of insulting us up front?22:22
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hoodlumI figured it would be like most channels and filled with program developers instead of people that have dug around the OS but alright my bad22:24
hoodlumI'm looking for something a bit different to most people, I'm not looking for a mobile OS packed with features and in fact if it was a skeleton type system that just included text/email/data I would be completely happy22:25
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hoodlumBut I'm looking for something secure, something with encryption. Not written in a program form because at the end of the day, thats insecure. The input (be it keyboard or microphone) could be hijacked in plaintext before it got to the program22:26
hoodlumSo really, it needs to be built in to the OS. I understand I'd be doing this all myself, not asking for anyone to change their development plans and I know its a big task.22:28
hoodlumBut what I'm really asking is if there is anyone thats got experience with the OS at this level and could give me some insight to wether this would be possible or not, and wether the core telephony stuff is easily accessible or if its like iOS where its next to impossible22:29
Wasphoodlum: the main difference, as far i know, but i just started looking yesterday22:31
Waspsailfish = opensource <-> iOS = closed source22:31
Waspso it is not so surprising thats near to impossible on iOS ;)22:32
hoodlumYeah I get that part but even so, Android advertises as being somewhat open source but AOSP (Android Open Source Project) is very different from the actual version that comes shipped on phones and to get AOSP actually running on a phone is a pretty big task in itself22:32
Wasplately read about an ugly hack to hijack swype-handling-keyboard into ios ^^22:32
Waspto be honest: I didnt found even the source for sailfsih, thats why i am here22:33
Waspbut didnt asked yet :D22:33
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henkhoodlum: What does "program form" mean?22:33
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hoodlumAnything like the commercially available stuff. They take data in more or less like this: user -> keyboard -> OS -> program -> output encrypted text22:35
Waspon wikipedia and even on jolla.com they promote sailfish to be (gnu!) open source but could't find any hint to the source code22:35
hoodlumA good example was Carrier IQ back in the day, it hijacked keyboard input at the OS level meaning that regardless of what the program did, the password was hijacked in plaintext22:35
smokuhoodlum: take a look at http://merproject.org/.  Mer is the core that Sailfish is built on. as you do not need fancy Sailfish stuff, you should be fine with plain Mer as a basis22:35
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hoodlumI would still need Sailfish for the GUI stuff though wouldn't i?22:36
smokuhoodlum: anyways Mer / Sailfish is "just" a standard linux stack and distribution. telephony is built areound pretty much standard GStreamer (with telephony modules)22:36
Waspwhere do i get the source of sailfish?22:37
smokuhoodlum: so you have it there. open and open source. free to modify as you want22:37
Waspsailfishos.org implies, even if i build "mer" with "nemo" i would not get sailfish22:37
hoodlumAfter all the encryption stuff, I am going to have to do some 'fun' telephony stuff to try and detect IMSI catchers and alike, modify what data is going to/from the basestation and even more importantly make sure all OTA updates are verified that the user agrees to them... thats why I asked about telephony stuff22:37
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smokuhoodlum: GUI - yes and no.  yes if you want it to look like sailfish. No, as you don't have to use Sailfish Silica.  Mer will bring up your device up to Qt5 GUI running on Wayland compositor22:38
hoodlumHave you got an example of that smoku?22:38
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hoodlumI see a few around google but mainly on computers and a couple that make it confusing but I'm thinking they're something ontop. Basically its just a console right?22:41
smokuhoodlum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hvRP3rcF9o22:41
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smokuhoodlum: nope. Mer gives you a complete Qt5 stack. Widgets, QML etc.22:42
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hoodlumsmoku: thanks for your help, I've got a bit more digging to do now but if my project ever does get completed I'd be interested in contributing to sailfish because from everything i've been able to see I like the looks of the community22:45
smokuhoodlum: contributing to Mer is contributing to Sailfish as one is built on the other :)22:47
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hoodlumYeah but I think I could pump out a lot of useful Sailfish stuff and help out more people whereas half of the Mer things I would do, would go completely unused22:48
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hoodlumMy entire project will be open source anyway, so if people at the end of the day want a secure mobile phone they can... I'm sure there's a lot of people out there22:49
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smokuWasp: Jolla sources: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-June/004612.html22:51
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Waspsmoku: out of curiosity: where to i find the link? o.O23:27
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Waspthat's not the regular source, isn't it?23:29
Waspto=>do23:29
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smokuWasp: read the message i gave you - there is a link inside23:40
smokuWasp: you might want to read readme.txt under that link23:40
Waspyes i know, i am already on the link23:41
Waspokay but didn't read the readme23:42
Waspbut anyway, usaly i dont crawl the complete mailling list to the source maybe(!)23:42
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Waspit is quite unusaly23:43
Waspokay, but thx :)23:43
smokuWasp: you can always buy a jolla device and ask jolla for the source yourself.23:44
smokuWasp: Ville was kind enough to do this and share what he got23:45
Waspsailfish is gnu licend, gnu licend means: you HAVE to over the code23:45
Waspotherwise jolla is violates his own licene xD23:46
Wasplicence*23:46
Wasp-is23:46
smokuWasp: there are parts of sailfish licensed under GNU and parts that do not23:46
Waspshot go sleeping ^^23:46
smokuWasp: also, GNU says that you have to give the source to ones you gave binaries, not everyone on the world23:47
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Wasphmm, you could be right ..23:52
Waspso i could sell GPL software23:54
Waspnever mentioned that23:55
Wasp.. noticed23:55
Waspshould go to bed -.-23:55
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Waspdont need the drivers anyway ^^23:57
Waspwas thinking about to place some linux-tablet OS on my thinkpad :)23:57
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Waspmissing some good imput method for my pen on linux23:59
Waspinput*23:59

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