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| kimmoli | sdk please :-1: warning: File `Makefile' has modification time 0.6 s in the future | 05:45 |
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| coderus | Mitakuuluu v0.8.1 Beta3 Build. Release Canditade: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1433390#post1433390 | 05:59 |
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| kimmoli | ok, using QSettings with SystemScope - App is "readonly" and sends changes over dbus method to daemon, which writes them to conf file, in /etc/xdg/ | 06:21 |
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| coderus | kimmoli: why?.. | 06:36 |
| coderus | using QSettings with SystemScope | 06:37 |
| coderus | why? | 06:37 |
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| FireFly | How come the SDK ships with such an old version of gcc? | 08:52 |
| stephg | that's the toolchain currently in use in Sailfish? | 08:52 |
| stephg | (I don't know the answer but I suspect arch compatibility) | 08:53 |
| FireFly | As in, targets supported by GCC and stuff? | 08:53 |
| FireFly | Surely newer gcc versions ought to support armv7hl too.. | 08:54 |
| stephg | yeah, it's mer as well so I guess there is a requirement to support more than just arm too | 08:54 |
| FireFly | Ah | 08:54 |
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| FireFly | Oh indeed, turns out MIPS is the culprit | 08:59 |
| FireFly | https://together.jolla.com/question/12588/update-gcc-in-sdk/ | 08:59 |
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| FireFly | though according to that post it seems the plan was to disable the MIPS build and update anyway | 09:02 |
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| stephg | I'm guessing that's a non-trivial amount of work :) | 09:04 |
| FireFly | I guess I'm just too impatient, hehe | 09:05 |
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| squidd | So I updated to the 1.0.8 and now I cant install anything with warehouse or pkcon, getting Fatal error: Failed to obtain authentication. | 10:22 |
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| stephg | squidd: yes | 10:23 |
| stephg | that's a thing | 10:23 |
| squidd | How to fix? :) | 10:23 |
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| squidd | ah, nevermind, found it | 10:26 |
| stephg | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1433045&postcount=343 | 10:26 |
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| Guest657 | hi guys, I've started to port sailfish os to galaxy s3 i9300 using the HADK, but I've run into a problem that I don't know how to fix, if someone knows how to fix it please help :) | 11:47 |
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| Guest657 | the error is: ERROR: i9300 does not have mountpoint fixup data - see SailfishOS HADK for details on how to fix this Check: device/samsung/i9300/recovery.fstab | 11:48 |
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| Nicd- | how can I create a page dynamically in QML? and keep it hidden | 14:26 |
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| Nicd- | just with Qt.createComponent("../pages/BufferView.qml"); and then component.createObject() I get loads of ReferenceError: __silica_applicationwindow_instance is not defined | 14:26 |
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| kimmoli | coderus: dont know... | 14:41 |
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| kimmoli | coderus: or actually i do... daemon is running as root, app as nemo. that was a common "location" which they both are aware of | 14:49 |
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| elenril | hmm, the emulator seems to be stuck in landcape mode here | 14:53 |
| elenril | is it supposed to do that? | 14:53 |
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| log` | Hi there. I am very interested in trying out SailfishOS on other devices than the jolla. Is there any news regarding a release for android devices or maybe the Raspberry Pi? | 15:35 |
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| Sfiet_Konstantin | log`: the release for android devices is basically /join #sailfishos-porters :) | 15:36 |
| log` | Sfiet_Konstantin: cool, thanks :) | 15:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | log`: http://releases.sailfishos.org/sfa-ea/2014-07-18_SailfishOSHardwareAdaptationDevelopmentKit.pdf | 15:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | you hare tihs to get started | 15:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | for the rpi (that have no screen), please consider mer (merproject.org) | 15:36 |
| Sfiet_Konstantin | and /join #mer :) | 15:37 |
| log` | awesome, my roommate gave me an old android phone and I thought I'd play around with it | 15:37 |
| log` | very informative, thanks a bunch! | 15:37 |
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| Nicd- | so, how can I create pages that are in the background (not in the pagestack)? | 15:44 |
| Nicd- | in javascript | 15:44 |
| locusf | better wait for the revised version of hadk tomorrow :) | 15:44 |
| Nicd- | log`: Sailfish cannot run on the RPi because it requires amrv7 | 15:44 |
| Nicd- | RPi is armv6 | 15:45 |
| log` | I see. | 15:45 |
| log` | locusf: if theres a new one coming out tomorrow I will definitely check that out, thanks | 15:46 |
| locusf | log`: which device you have now? | 15:46 |
| log` | hang on, let me check | 15:46 |
| log` | it's an HTC of some kind | 15:47 |
| locusf | just make sure you can run cyanogenmod 10 on it | 15:47 |
| log` | alright, thanks | 15:48 |
| log` | like i said, it was a gift from my roommate cause the screen was broken and he was going to throw it out | 15:48 |
| locusf | ok | 15:49 |
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| log` | hmm, HTC 99HKZ013, I think it's a Desire | 15:50 |
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| log` | on the cyanogenmod supported devices wiki it says CM Support: 7 | 15:53 |
| log` | so I guess that means it only runs cyanogenmod 7? | 15:53 |
| locusf | yep | 15:55 |
| log` | aw shucks, too bad. thanks for letting me know :) | 15:56 |
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| coderus | kimmoli: root can write in user location :) | 16:42 |
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| coderus | kimmoli: imho better behaviour is changing settings by client, server just reading settings :) | 16:42 |
| coderus | Nicd-: why creating pages and not pushing to stack? | 16:42 |
| coderus | btw, Mitakuuluu 0.8.1 release in some hours. Update your translations now! | 16:43 |
| Nicd- | I was thinking of having a page for each channel in my IRC client | 16:47 |
| Nicd- | and then switch pages with the channel list | 16:48 |
| Nicd- | also does 0.8.1 have the busyloop fixed? | 16:48 |
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| coderus | Nicd-: probably/ you say me that. | 16:55 |
| coderus | Nicd-: use carousel, like in Tweetian, it's better choice imho | 16:55 |
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| Nicd- | coderus: do you mean slideshow? | 16:59 |
| Nicd- | I thought about it at first but the problem is, I have 37 channels | 17:00 |
| Nicd- | so a channel side-pull list is much better | 17:00 |
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| Novice201y | Hello. Is it good idea to byt used Nokia N9 to install Sailfish OS on it? | 17:20 |
| ln- | Not really. | 17:21 |
| Novice201y | ln-: Why? | 17:22 |
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| Nicd- | there is no official build and I don't think most stuff works in the unofficial ones | 17:23 |
| Novice201y | Nicd-: Source? | 17:24 |
| Nicd- | a lot of sources for "no official build" | 17:24 |
| Nicd- | don't know any source for the status of unofficial builds though | 17:25 |
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| Novice201y | Nicd-: Check this out http://wiki.maemo.org/Sailfish | 17:33 |
| coderus | Nicd-: then use tabs :) | 17:34 |
| coderus | Novice201y: N9 have pretty ols SailfishOS version and not updating anymore | 17:35 |
| coderus | Novice201y: better byuy nexus4 for sailfishos | 17:35 |
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| Nicd- | coderus: what do you mean? silica doesn't have builtin tabs | 17:36 |
| Nicd- | and is it not possible to create background pages then? | 17:36 |
| coderus | Nicd-: create yours | 17:36 |
| coderus | silica have many other good things | 17:36 |
| coderus | have no* | 17:36 |
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| coderus | Nicd-: you can have any objects anywhere :) | 17:37 |
| Nicd- | I'd like to avoid doing stuff myself if it can be done with builtins or less code | 17:37 |
| Nicd- | in this case I'm already creating the pages dynamically but I'm getting Reference Errors | 17:37 |
| coderus | Nicd-: errors? | 17:38 |
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| coderus | accessing global objectgs and its parameters? | 17:38 |
| Nicd- | after creating a page I get stuff like ReferenceError: __silica_applicationwindow_instance is not defined | 17:38 |
| Nicd- | and ReferenceError: pageStack is not defined | 17:38 |
| Nicd- | from silica's own qml files | 17:38 |
| coderus | ah that one | 17:39 |
| coderus | you should not сreate orphan pages | 17:39 |
| coderus | check how pagestack creares page | 17:40 |
| coderus | and us that code for yourself | 17:40 |
| coderus | creates* | 17:40 |
| Nicd- | ok, so I should give them a parent | 17:42 |
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| coderus | Nicd-: sure, to access parent properties you should have that parent :) | 17:45 |
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| kengu | hum. I took three photos with my Jolla (not connected to data network). Shared one to facebook. Remembered I have data off, turned on wifi, looked et transfers, stating waiting (tapping opens empty submenu), tried to go to gallery to reshare, all three photos missing, back to transfers, photo still there - stating failed. | 17:49 |
| Novice201y | Will there be possibility to code Sailfish apps in Xamarin? | 17:52 |
| wmarone | maybe if Xamarin added a Qt interface? | 17:54 |
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| Nicd- | coderus: just giving them a parent page does not fix the problem | 17:57 |
| Nicd- | I'll have to take a look at the pagestack sources | 17:57 |
| coderus | Nicd-: you should give them pageStack parent :) | 17:58 |
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| coderus | check pageStack code as i said | 17:58 |
| Nicd- | I would if I could find it :P | 17:59 |
| coderus | /usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica/PageStack.js | 17:59 |
| Nicd- | would be easier if it was on github | 18:00 |
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| coderus | Nicd-: open device with sshfs/sftp :) | 18:03 |
| coderus | it's very easy and common action for me :D | 18:04 |
| coderus | or just copy all usr/lib/qt5/qml and usr/share to pc | 18:04 |
| coderus | it's very helpful data :) | 18:04 |
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| Nicd- | yeah, I found them | 18:07 |
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| coderus | but probably you dont' need Pages really | 18:10 |
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| coderus | you need to have one pages and just content items inside | 18:10 |
| coderus | just items, not pages | 18:10 |
| kengu | hum. photos are in filesystem. gallery just is not showing those | 18:10 |
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| kimmoli | try tracker-control -es | 18:11 |
| Nicd- | coderus: that's my backup plan, I'll just have one page and change all the contents. but would rather have separate pages | 18:11 |
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| coderus | Puma starting too slow... imho Ruby in old sdk started faster :) | 18:16 |
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| ryukafalz | Hmm, is the version of lipstick-jolla-home-qt5 preinstalled on the mako image not available in the repos? | 18:35 |
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| ryukafalz | was trying to revert after trying out the glacier homescreen, and the version preinstalled on the device was 0.21.2.5+sfe1-10.6.2.jolla.armv7hl, but the version in the repos seems to be 0.21.2.5-10.41.3.jolla.armv7hl | 18:39 |
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| ryukafalz | which appears to be older | 18:40 |
| ryukafalz | and it *works*, but the scaling of the background image is wrong on this device | 18:40 |
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| coderus | Mitakuuluu 0.8.1 released. DL: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/mitakuuluu LOG: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/releases/tag/0.8.1 | 18:42 |
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| kimmoli | \o oo my reported bug got fixied... | 18:50 |
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| tortoisedoc | I wonder | 19:13 |
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| tortoisedoc | how comes there is no css in qml? | 19:13 |
| tortoisedoc | i.e., no qml+css combination | 19:13 |
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| tortoisedoc | grr | 19:22 |
| tortoisedoc | it seems importing qml files from qrc: is difficult | 19:22 |
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| elenril | is there any documentation on how exactly the urls passed to pageStack.push() are resolved? | 19:48 |
| elenril | i'm a bit confused, since passing just the base filename works from the initial page, but not from a deeper page (getting a file not found) | 19:51 |
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| elenril | and it's searching in file:///usr/lib/qt5/qml/ for some reason, instead of the app pages dir | 19:51 |
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| coderus | elenril: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qqmlengine.html#addImportPath | 20:45 |
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| henk | hi | 21:45 |
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| coderus | kimmoli: your bug was fixed time ago, you know :))) | 22:12 |
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| hoodlum | Don't suppose there's anyone here with good experience with sailfish OS that can help me go through if a few ideas would be possible before I start | 22:18 |
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| smoku | hoodlum: why don't you just ask and see what happens, instead of insulting us up front? | 22:22 |
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| hoodlum | I figured it would be like most channels and filled with program developers instead of people that have dug around the OS but alright my bad | 22:24 |
| hoodlum | I'm looking for something a bit different to most people, I'm not looking for a mobile OS packed with features and in fact if it was a skeleton type system that just included text/email/data I would be completely happy | 22:25 |
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| hoodlum | But I'm looking for something secure, something with encryption. Not written in a program form because at the end of the day, thats insecure. The input (be it keyboard or microphone) could be hijacked in plaintext before it got to the program | 22:26 |
| hoodlum | So really, it needs to be built in to the OS. I understand I'd be doing this all myself, not asking for anyone to change their development plans and I know its a big task. | 22:28 |
| hoodlum | But what I'm really asking is if there is anyone thats got experience with the OS at this level and could give me some insight to wether this would be possible or not, and wether the core telephony stuff is easily accessible or if its like iOS where its next to impossible | 22:29 |
| Wasp | hoodlum: the main difference, as far i know, but i just started looking yesterday | 22:31 |
| Wasp | sailfish = opensource <-> iOS = closed source | 22:31 |
| Wasp | so it is not so surprising thats near to impossible on iOS ;) | 22:32 |
| hoodlum | Yeah I get that part but even so, Android advertises as being somewhat open source but AOSP (Android Open Source Project) is very different from the actual version that comes shipped on phones and to get AOSP actually running on a phone is a pretty big task in itself | 22:32 |
| Wasp | lately read about an ugly hack to hijack swype-handling-keyboard into ios ^^ | 22:32 |
| Wasp | to be honest: I didnt found even the source for sailfsih, thats why i am here | 22:33 |
| Wasp | but didnt asked yet :D | 22:33 |
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| henk | hoodlum: What does "program form" mean? | 22:33 |
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| hoodlum | Anything like the commercially available stuff. They take data in more or less like this: user -> keyboard -> OS -> program -> output encrypted text | 22:35 |
| Wasp | on wikipedia and even on jolla.com they promote sailfish to be (gnu!) open source but could't find any hint to the source code | 22:35 |
| hoodlum | A good example was Carrier IQ back in the day, it hijacked keyboard input at the OS level meaning that regardless of what the program did, the password was hijacked in plaintext | 22:35 |
| smoku | hoodlum: take a look at http://merproject.org/. Mer is the core that Sailfish is built on. as you do not need fancy Sailfish stuff, you should be fine with plain Mer as a basis | 22:35 |
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| hoodlum | I would still need Sailfish for the GUI stuff though wouldn't i? | 22:36 |
| smoku | hoodlum: anyways Mer / Sailfish is "just" a standard linux stack and distribution. telephony is built areound pretty much standard GStreamer (with telephony modules) | 22:36 |
| Wasp | where do i get the source of sailfish? | 22:37 |
| smoku | hoodlum: so you have it there. open and open source. free to modify as you want | 22:37 |
| Wasp | sailfishos.org implies, even if i build "mer" with "nemo" i would not get sailfish | 22:37 |
| hoodlum | After all the encryption stuff, I am going to have to do some 'fun' telephony stuff to try and detect IMSI catchers and alike, modify what data is going to/from the basestation and even more importantly make sure all OTA updates are verified that the user agrees to them... thats why I asked about telephony stuff | 22:37 |
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| smoku | hoodlum: GUI - yes and no. yes if you want it to look like sailfish. No, as you don't have to use Sailfish Silica. Mer will bring up your device up to Qt5 GUI running on Wayland compositor | 22:38 |
| hoodlum | Have you got an example of that smoku? | 22:38 |
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| hoodlum | I see a few around google but mainly on computers and a couple that make it confusing but I'm thinking they're something ontop. Basically its just a console right? | 22:41 |
| smoku | hoodlum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hvRP3rcF9o | 22:41 |
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| smoku | hoodlum: nope. Mer gives you a complete Qt5 stack. Widgets, QML etc. | 22:42 |
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| hoodlum | smoku: thanks for your help, I've got a bit more digging to do now but if my project ever does get completed I'd be interested in contributing to sailfish because from everything i've been able to see I like the looks of the community | 22:45 |
| smoku | hoodlum: contributing to Mer is contributing to Sailfish as one is built on the other :) | 22:47 |
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| hoodlum | Yeah but I think I could pump out a lot of useful Sailfish stuff and help out more people whereas half of the Mer things I would do, would go completely unused | 22:48 |
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| hoodlum | My entire project will be open source anyway, so if people at the end of the day want a secure mobile phone they can... I'm sure there's a lot of people out there | 22:49 |
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| smoku | Wasp: Jolla sources: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-June/004612.html | 22:51 |
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| Wasp | smoku: out of curiosity: where to i find the link? o.O | 23:27 |
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| Wasp | that's not the regular source, isn't it? | 23:29 |
| Wasp | to=>do | 23:29 |
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| smoku | Wasp: read the message i gave you - there is a link inside | 23:40 |
| smoku | Wasp: you might want to read readme.txt under that link | 23:40 |
| Wasp | yes i know, i am already on the link | 23:41 |
| Wasp | okay but didn't read the readme | 23:42 |
| Wasp | but anyway, usaly i dont crawl the complete mailling list to the source maybe(!) | 23:42 |
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| Wasp | it is quite unusaly | 23:43 |
| Wasp | okay, but thx :) | 23:43 |
| smoku | Wasp: you can always buy a jolla device and ask jolla for the source yourself. | 23:44 |
| smoku | Wasp: Ville was kind enough to do this and share what he got | 23:45 |
| Wasp | sailfish is gnu licend, gnu licend means: you HAVE to over the code | 23:45 |
| Wasp | otherwise jolla is violates his own licene xD | 23:46 |
| Wasp | licence* | 23:46 |
| Wasp | -is | 23:46 |
| smoku | Wasp: there are parts of sailfish licensed under GNU and parts that do not | 23:46 |
| Wasp | shot go sleeping ^^ | 23:46 |
| smoku | Wasp: also, GNU says that you have to give the source to ones you gave binaries, not everyone on the world | 23:47 |
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| Wasp | hmm, you could be right .. | 23:52 |
| Wasp | so i could sell GPL software | 23:54 |
| Wasp | never mentioned that | 23:55 |
| Wasp | .. noticed | 23:55 |
| Wasp | should go to bed -.- | 23:55 |
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| Wasp | dont need the drivers anyway ^^ | 23:57 |
| Wasp | was thinking about to place some linux-tablet OS on my thinkpad :) | 23:57 |
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| Wasp | missing some good imput method for my pen on linux | 23:59 |
| Wasp | input* | 23:59 |
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