Tuesday, 2014-08-12

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pp_funkyotherhalfs with discount code might work too07:15
pp_(he hasn't shipped mine yet, tho, probably on vacation :-) )07:15
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kimmolifunky is back from vacation, and printing again, though his printer is giving gray hair...07:41
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walokralbt: i see that obs has changed and now don't know how to refresh/add github service08:41
lbtyeah - there's no special service button anymore08:42
lbtyou can just edit the _service file08:42
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walokrahow do I get it to check new tag (tar_git service)08:51
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lbtuse osc trigger08:55
lbtosc service remoterun08:55
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walokrais there more about that? how to do that?08:57
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walokraah, found the wiki08:59
lbtosc service remoterun --help :)08:59
lbtosc --help is very good08:59
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walokraso no way to do it from the web page09:00
lbtit seems that UI was removed09:02
lbtif you're a ruby-on-rails hacker then you could help them implement a solution :)09:02
walokrafortunately I'm not :)09:02
walokrawell, have to check the osc when I get to real machine (not windows)09:03
lbtwhat package do you want to trigger?09:04
walokrano need to trigger as there's nothing new which isn't in openrepos or store09:06
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tuukkahtbr, asked a question about my btrfs problem, perhaps it's possible to copy the factory filesystem snapshots from another device: https://together.jolla.com/question/53145/unrecoverable-btrfs-errors/09:19
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Stskeepsyou should try the shell and a bit more friendly options09:20
Stskeepsin recovery mode09:20
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StskeepsIO failure looks really nasty though09:20
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tuukkahStskeeps, any suggestions?09:21
Stskeepsit should be okay to re-use the snapshots from another phone but be vary of btrfs send/recv not always working like you think it might09:21
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tuukkahStskeeps, what kind of gotchas do you have in mind?09:25
Stskeepswell from experience it didn't always copy all the data/attributes09:25
tuukkahbuggy, i suppose09:26
tuukkahperhaps safer to transfer the snapshots as tar archives then?09:27
tuukkahok, good to know09:28
Stskeepspersonally i'd just send it to care for a reflash and then look at how to backup those things to a sd09:28
tuukkahisn't this a great opportunity to make tests as the device is half-bricked already %-)09:30
tuukkahwrt "you should try the shell and a bit more friendly options", did you have any specific options in mind?09:30
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Stskeepsthere's a couple of options you can try with btrfs that makes it skip a few problematic things09:31
Stskeepscan't recall at this exact moment (sorry, vacation brain, just returned to work today..)09:31
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ddobrevHi all.09:32
tuukkahright, i noticed the "btrfs recovery" option does use some of those options09:32
ddobrevI am a beginner with Sailfish OS.09:32
ddobrevI have a question about the SDK.09:32
ddobrevI installed it on Windows.09:32
ddobrevBut the only Qt *.so installed is libQt5Core.so.09:33
ddobrevWhere are the rest: libQt5Widgets.so, libQt5Gui.so, etc.?09:33
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tuukkahddobrev, i don't have the others in the linux sdk either so probably they are not needed? sailfish uses qml instead of qt widgets09:54
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ddobrevtuukkah, correct but there were just examples, Qt has lots of other relevant modules, such as Positioning, Bluetooth, WebKit, etc.09:56
ddobrev*these were09:57
ddobrevBesides, QtQuick depends on QtGui.09:57
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ddobrevAlso, the includes in the installation contain all Qt headers.09:58
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tuukkahddobrev, perhaps you need to look into the two virtual machines that are part of the sdk10:01
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ddobrevtuukkah: It makes some sense, I'm checking.10:03
ddobrevWhich one is the second VM, I've only found the one at .../SailfishOS/mersdk/MerSDK ?10:04
tuukkahthe other one is SailfishOS/emulator10:05
coderusmersdk is just sync headers for qtc10:05
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coderusthe true magic happened inside mer vm image10:06
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coderusread here: https://sailfishos.org/develop-faq.html10:06
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ddobrevtuukkah, I need to have them on my PC and since I am not yet familiar with the tooling, I don't know how to copy them from the emulator.10:13
ddobrevDo you know how?10:13
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tuukkahddobrev, why do you need the .so files in windows - what do you want to achieve?10:15
tortoisedochey sailors ! congrats for your hk release!10:15
tortoisedocone question10:15
ddobrevtuukkah: I am working on C# bindings for Qt. I need Qt's headers and libraries as input to generate the wrappers.10:16
tortoisedocwhy us dbus relying on com.google.code.AccountsSSO.SingleSignOn.AuthSession10:16
tuukkahddobrev, you can start the virtual machines and do your work inside them10:16
tortoisedoci guess it has to do with10:17
tortoisedocthe problem is10:17
tortoisedocthe password is in *cleartext* on the dbus call10:17
ddobrevtuukkah: It's not practical. The generator is quite large, it needs Clang which in turn has to be compiled for Sailfish first - it's the harder way around.10:18
tortoisedocwho to ping?10:20
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tortoisedocsome sailor who knows about dbus?10:20
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Aciidtortoisedoc: mailinglist could be more fruitful10:23
tortoisedocdoes the mail client rely on some sinle sign on?10:23
tortoisedoci am not much worried about the fact that there is some google sso10:24
tortoisedocbut about the fact that credentials to my work mail where passed on dbus in cleartext10:24
tortoisedoc*that* is pretty scary10:24
ddobrevtuukkah: I assume there is some way to copy them over, for example Android has the adb shell.10:24
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ddobrevtuukkah: And the Debug Monitor, which provides a graphical client for copying files besides everything else.10:25
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tortoisedocsent to maildev10:29
tuukkahddobrev, when you have started the virtual machines, you can connect to them using ssh, scp, winscp, putty etc.10:34
ddobrevtuukkah: That should work, thanks. However, does it mean Sailfish SDK does not have specialised tooling yet?10:35
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tuukkahddobrev, on linux, in addition to the ide, there's at least SailfishOS/bin/merssh and SailfishOS/bin/sdktool10:38
ddobrevtuukkah: I have these too. I'll check how they work. Thanks.10:39
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tigelituukkah: still living in jkl?10:44
tuukkahhi tigeli! i'm in helsinki since 201010:45
tigelituukkah: well, I guess almost everyone I knew in jkl have already moved :D10:50
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ddobrevtuukkah: Sorry if the question is stupid but how do I get the IP of the started emulator? I need that to connect through WinSCP.10:51
tuukkahtigeli, yeah :-) last i saw him, mudyc was still there though10:52
tuukkahtigeli, do you work at jolla now?10:52
tuukkahddobrev, here's a nice book that looks under the hood: http://blog.hardcodes.de/articles/69/developing-with-sailfishos-a-short-introduction10:54
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tadzikoh, neat10:57
tuukkahddobrev, for ip address, you can use localhost. the port is 2222 for mersdk and 2223 for emulator10:57
ddobrevtuukkah: Thank you very much. I also need a user and a password but I'll take a look in the book.11:02
ddobrevI can actually see the password is set in the emulator itself, I only need a user.11:03
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ln-you can authenticate using keys, so you won't need a password11:04
ddobrevln-: Thanks, I've found the user, it's 'nemo'. It's written in the book.11:05
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tuukkahln-, ddobrev, someone who knows windows should write instructions11:10
ddobrevln-: There's nothing Windows-specific, really, except WinSCP.11:11
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ddobrevln-: Sorry, that was for tuukkah.11:11
tuukkahddobrev, exactly, winscp, putty, and how to configure key authentication11:13
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tortoisedocddobrev : nemo -> password for the emulator you set in the emulator11:17
tortoisedocas for the device11:17
tortoisedocwith developer mode on you should be ok11:18
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tbrha, step one of proving that random claims are wrong.11:29
* tbr now has a TOR package that installs neatly on device and can be started/stopped by the user directly11:30
ddobrevtuukkah: I've found the libs in /usr/lib on the device and copied them over. Thank you very much for your help.11:33
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tuukkahddobrev, glad i could help11:38
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SK_worktbr: cool11:45
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tbrSK_work: the statement by niels was too tempting to disprove. ;)11:48
dr_go_scnhi SK_work11:48
tbr"Unfortunately root is needed to allow tor to access network with enough proviledges. This cant be changed easily."11:48
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pp_tbr: lemme guess, no root at all needed for anything except package install11:48
Naranektbr: nice work!!11:48
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tbrpp_: not that far in yet, just whipped the basic packaging around and made it start as nemo11:49
Naranekwhat's up with the Latest reviews window in harbour? It just shows example reviews even if I have some real ones11:51
Nicd-Naranek: harbour data isn't real yet11:52
pp_fedora spec file may be of use11:52
pp_+ https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/836811:53
tbrI recycled the one from opensuse11:53
tbr"Your IP Address is" - I'd say this is working :)11:54
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tbrhttps://build.merproject.org/package/show/home:tbr:sailfish/tor - please be aware, that I'm currently working on this, so the package is still changing a lot11:57
tbrcurrently you have to create a minimal /etc/tor/torrc and then as nemo "systemctl --user start tor.service"11:58
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tuukkahtbr, how do you get all the apps to connect via the tor service?12:03
tbrtuukkah: that's a separate exercise, one possibility is to wrap in tsocks12:04
tbrfor the browser niel has some config snippets it seems that make it switch to socks proxy12:04
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pp_suppose a small app to manage that could be useful (no need to have it in main tor rpm tho)12:07
tuukkahgetting better: https://together.jolla.com/question/22824/proxy-settings-arent-honoured/12:07
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tbryeah, I'm going to leave TOR itself as it is and spin out the rest into some addon package.12:10
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coderuschina vote here: https://together.jolla.com/question/53191/android-ucbrowser-crashing/12:46
satmdmy calendar seems totally broken, how can I reset it completely?12:48
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SK_worksatmd: devel-su --privileged12:53
SK_workcd .local/share/system/privileged/Calendar12:53
SK_workrm what you need here12:53
SK_workor backup12:53
satmdseems, this isn't the phone's fault, but syncevolution being stupid12:55
satmdbut already thanks for pointing me at the db files12:55
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yulimotohi guys, is there way to port nokia lumia 530 to sailfishos ? (sorry if my question is stupid, iam newbie on this field)13:32
Stskeepsno, it's a locked bootloader13:32
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enedilyulimoto: There were tryes to unlock bootloader on Samsung Ativ S. Someone managed to install software from outside Marketplace. I haven't heared about any else succesful tryes to break Windows Phone13:34
yulimotook, i am looking for some widget which i can port to sailfish, and to participate to the community. Is there some materials which I can start with ?13:37
Nicd-yulimoto: have you checked the HADK?13:39
Nicd-yulimoto: http://releases.sailfishos.org/sfa-ea/2014-07-21_SailfishOSHardwareAdaptationDevelopmentKit.pdf13:40
yulimotoNicd-: thanks, it is what I mean :)13:40
Nicd-yulimoto: also if you are interested, here is the current status of porting for different devices: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris13:40
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coderusvery important tjc with no attention: https://together.jolla.com/question/46463/android-apps-sound-has-a-delay/14:50
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kimmolitbr: i have one small job for you, as i assume your german is fluent ?15:20
* tigeli has dirty mind15:21
tbrkimmoli: das k├Ânnte man so sagen ;)15:21
Turskihow am i supposed to install the needed dependencies to mersdk vm to build a sourcepackage?15:21
Turskifor armv7hl15:22
tbrTurski: in Qt-creator there is a UI for installing packages15:22
Turskitbr: that's utterly crap15:22
tbrthe other option is to ssh in and do the sb2 root-shell dance15:22
tbrsb2 -t SailfishOS-armv7hl -R15:23
tbrand then just "zypper in" whatever you need15:23
Turskiah, the -R is what i was missing15:23
tbryeah, that's the root shell15:24
Turski(stupid me, didn't check sb2 -h)15:24
Turskitried to use sb2 as root15:24
tbrI also had to look it up on planet sailfish the first time15:24
Turskii'm trying to rebuild gst-plugins-bad with mms protocol support15:25
Turskifor some reason it doesn't seem to be in the provided package15:25
Turskiand that's why i can't play mms internet radio streams on jolla15:25
* tbr puts bets on "evil licensing and IPR"15:25
kimmolitbr: four translations; https://github.com/kimmoli/paint/blob/master/i18n/translations_de.ts#L78 and others marked as unfinhsihed15:26
Turskiyep, me too15:26
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tbrkimmoli: check your pull requests :-)15:34
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kimmoliysy thanks tbr15:37
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kimmolitbr: https://app.younited.com/?shareObject=ebba410e-d9aa-049a-67f0-6dffe5c9be9915:47
tbrlooks good to me15:48
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kimmoliok, sending to harbour QA15:49
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kimmolibtw, is there better way to start apps with different language? i have putty sessions with different LANG env variables, like "de_DE.utf8"15:56
TurskiLANG="la_NG.utf8" /usr/bin/app_name ?15:57
Turskiyou don't need to start new putty session each time, if that's what you're wondering15:58
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kimmoliTurski: thanks, works. Never tried that16:00
Turskikimmoli: you can pass environment variables in front of the command16:01
kimmoliyep, i know that, but... for some reason haven't tried LANG there16:02
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Turskiah, there's no libmms for sailfish so mms support will not be built16:12
Turskiso, i need to figure out how to package libmms16:12
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coderus-m sdk-install is not needed anymore?16:15
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Turskibtw, i hate rpm packaging :|16:17
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coderusTurski: it's much easier than deb imho :)16:26
coderusno **cking md5sums shlibs digsigsums and so :)16:26
Turskicoderus: but arch packaging is probably the easiest16:26
coderusnever meet arch16:27
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Turskii've been using arch since 200816:28
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coderusis there any dbus call in lipstick to start app from launcher?16:29
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SK_workcoderus: don't think so, but I think that you can invoker <stuff>17:06
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Turskiooh, i think i managed to build rpm packages for libmms and mms-enabled gst-plugin-bad \o17:15
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Turskicrap, missing another plugin17:19
Turskifrom gstreamer17:19
TurskiWARNING: from element /GstPlayBin2:playbin20/GstURIDecodeBin:uridecodebin0: No decoder available for type 'video/x-ms-asf'.17:20
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Turskiseems to be explicitly disabled in .spec17:24
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Turskimeh, i give up17:38
Turskiprobably would need to build gst-plugins-ugly too17:39
Turskimaybe i should try rebuilding libav, it seems to have mms/asf support disabled too17:42
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Turskiand maybe gst-libav would be then used to demux/decode mms stream if the support was there17:42
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Turskihowever, this situation just sucks. mms support should absolutely be enabled by default17:44
Turskimaybe i instead just fix my mms remuxing-restreaming server17:49
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Turskiinteresting fact is also that gstreamer on jolla is unable to open http vorgis stream while my gstreamer on my desktop plays it just fine18:05
TurskiERROR: from element /GstPlayBin2:playbin20/GstURIDecodeBin:uridecodebin0/GstSoupHTTPSrc:source: Message Corrupt18:05
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tortoisedocturski : do a tcpdump of the stream and compare18:06
coderustortoisedoc: ping18:06
tortoisedoccoderus : pong!18:06
coderustortoisedoc: how do you launch apps in debota?18:06
tortoisedoccoderus : basic QDesktopServices::openUrl18:07
tortoisedocany problems?18:07
coderustortoisedoc: with desktop file?18:08
coderusokay :)18:08
tortoisedocyes :)18:08
tortoisedoci think you have to pass a qurl to the function18:08
coderusjust have idea dor some of my app :)18:08
tortoisedoccoderus : do you know about dbus (c++ side)?18:09
Turskitortoisedoc: it's the same stream18:10
Turskitortoisedoc: at least curl output looks right18:10
tortoisedocTurski : crap :|18:10
tortoisedocis the version of gstreamer you are using the same on desktop as on jolla-18:11
Turski0.10.36 on desktop18:11
Turskion 0.10.36 on jolla too18:12
Turskihm, libsoup version is different, maybe it has something to do with that18:13
Turskiumm, or looks like i did something wrong on when i got that output18:13
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Turskiinstead getting this ERROR: from element /GstPlayBin2:playbin20/GstPlaySink:playsink0/GstBin:abin/GstPlaySinkAudioConvert:aconv/GstAudioConvert:conv: not negotiated18:14
Turskigstbasetransform.c(2541): gst_base_transform_handle_buffer (): /GstPlayBin2:playbin20/GstPlaySink:playsink0/GstBin:abin/GstPlaySinkAudioConvert:aconv/GstAudioConvert:conv:18:15
Turskinot negotiated18:15
tortoisedocshot in the dark: protocol not registered?18:16
Turskishouldn't it give an error about missing plugin or something?18:16
Turskiand btw, jolla brower is able to play this stream18:17
tortoisedoccan you get it in a file and play it locally?18:19
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Turskitortoisedoc: yes18:22
tortoisedocand you were streaming it over wlan or 3g/4g?18:22
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tortoisedoccrappy wlan driver? :P18:23
Turskiit's something wrong with jolla gstreamer18:23
Turskihave to be18:23
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tortoisedocbut the browser plays the stream?18:30
tortoisedocI believe it relies on gstreamer?18:30
tortoisedoc(I might be wrong=18:30
Turskiyeah, i think so too18:30
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Turskiwell, next step is then to write own internet radio player with statically linked ffmpeg build18:45
tortoisedochow about compiling ffmpeg for jolla18:46
tortoisedocshould not be *that* difficult18:46
tortoisedoc(and then test it with ffmpeg first)18:46
Turskithere's libav and libav-tools already, but not compiled with mms support18:46
tortoisedocaah ok18:46
Turskiand also avplay is not built18:46
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Turskifor some reason they are disabling mms18:47
Turskibut ffplay plays fine both my restreamed http ogg stream and the original mms stream18:48
Turskion my desktop18:48
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tortoisedocperhaps licensing issues?18:55
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Turskitortoisedoc: perhaps, but still really annoying18:59
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Turskitortoisedoc: also, mms specification seems to be free19:02
Turskialso, mms is deprecated...19:02
tortoisedocok that might then be a more plausible explanation :P19:02
tortoisedocgiven that jolla is low on ressources they focus mainly on the really important parts19:03
tortoisedocand supporting a deprecated protocol probably does not fall into that category19:03
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Turskiwell, all streams of the Finnish Broadcasting Company are MMS streams19:03
tortoisedocbut these are just conjectures19:03
Turskii would consider that pretty important to support19:03
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coderustortoisedoc: what you want to ask about dbus?19:05
coderusits very easy interface19:05
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tortoisedoccoderus : yes it is19:05
tortoisedocsomewhere in the qt documentation about QDBusInterface19:06
tortoisedocit says you can either bind to a single method / signal of an interface19:06
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tortoisedoc(to listen to it)19:06
tortoisedocor to the interface itself (and receive all method calls / signals)19:06
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tortoisedocin the second case (when you bind to the interfave instead of a single method / signal), what kind of slot you have to use=19:07
tortoisedocI have not found any example code for this..19:07
tortoisedoc(what kind of slot signature you have to use?)19:07
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tortoisedoccoderus : correction , it is actually qdbusconnection19:09
tortoisedochmm but it mentiones only signals and not methods..19:10
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djselbeckRam-Z: Just implemented WoL in SMPC for you :)19:17
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javispedroI hate Smack as security framework too.19:37
javispedroI know everyone throws their hands up when they read about "plaintext passwords on sailfish omg"19:38
javispedrobut seriously every security framework out there sucks.19:38
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coderustortoisedoc: first of all please explain what do you want to achieve19:39
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tortoisedoci want to know if it is possible to connect a slot with a generic signature to a dbus interface (instead to a specific signal / method)19:43
tortoisedoccoderus: ^19:43
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Ram-Zdjselbeck: that is awesome, thx20:14
kimmoliis there better/simpler way to find username in Qt? (as i usually do, i use first thing i figured out - but for curiosity...) http://pastebin.com/cdFjxrNH20:16
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djselbeckRam-Z: If you wanna try: https://openrepos.net/content/djselbeck/smpc , but I only tested it with wireshark because my eth interfaces are not configured right at the moment. but wireshark identifys packages as WoL so I think it is working20:24
Ram-Zdjselbeck: I'm not at home right now... no wol activated devices here :(20:25
Ram-Zwill try it during the w-e20:25
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coderuskimmoli: id() == 0 // root?22:30
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