Thursday, 2014-08-28

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coderustortoisedoc: ping05:21
coderustortoisedoc: did  you checked my last request?05:21
tortoisedoccoderus : sorry, not really - which request?05:22
tortoisedocbeen extremely busy :/05:22
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tortoisedoccoderus : where did you have the request, here on irc?05:24
coderustortoisedoc: please check PowerMenuDialog { z: 4 } without reparenting05:24
tortoisedoccoderus : ok I will :)05:24
coderushow to compare rpm versions?05:25
tortoisedocdoes reparenting cause problems?05:25
coderusshould i make my own algo or its already here?05:25
tortoisedocrpm might have something?05:25
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coderustortoisedoc: tortoisedoc a lot of patching work and i'm not sure about users05:25
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coderusbest way will be removing current version and installing update05:26
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coderusbut mixed installing one verion for other will cause problems05:26
tortoisedoccoderus : i assume you are now talking about rpm in general? or do you refer to powermenu05:27
coderustortoisedoc: rpmdevtools have something, but it's not available in jolla/nemo/mer repos05:27
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tortoisedoccoderus : port it :P05:27
coderustortoisedoc: about powermenu05:27
coderustortoisedoc: i dont want05:27
tortoisedocim sure Stskeeps will be happy :D05:27
coderusi want algo for comparing versions or already done tool for this05:27
tortoisedoccoderus : but if the patch to lipstick is one liner, and it contains the parenting, what is the problem?05:28
coderusproblem is upgrading05:29
coderusand downgrading if user too stupid05:29
tortoisedocuh oh05:29
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tortoisedocthat is life with patches :/05:29
coderusbetter way will be just chenging PowerMenuDialog.qml05:29
tortoisedocand set z in powermenudialog.qml?05:29
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coderuslayerParent isn't available from that qml05:30
coderusso i'm asking if it working with just z property05:30
tortoisedocneed to test :/05:30
tortoisedocmight be, might not be05:30
coderuswell, if not i have an idea now05:30
tortoisedocwhat idea05:30
coderusi can reparent it dynamically with findCHild thru parent :)05:30
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tortoisedocthat is not a bad idea :)05:31
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coderusi just  hope z: 4 will be enough :P05:32
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tortoisedocthere might be  a chance it actually will be enough05:36
tortoisedocbut who knows05:36
tortoisedocother option is for powermenu to detect if quickbar is installed and in that case not display in full screen but leave some space at the bottom for quickbar ?05:37
tortoisedoccoderus *05:37
tortoisedoccoderus : ^05:37
tortoisedoc(installed & running, that is)05:37
tortoisedocI can make a dbus api for that05:38
tortoisedocbut z:4 is definitely preferrable :P05:38
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lpotterchecking out qtbase is painful05:43
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tortoisedoclpotter : checking out qt in general is painful :P05:48
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tortoisedocbut luckily you usually end up finding what you need (at least to my exp)05:48
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coderusMitakuuluu v0.8.3-2 minor bugfix released:
coderustortoisedoc: i'm sure you need to make option to display quickbar on powermenu or not :)06:00
tortoisedoccoderus : yes ofc06:01
coderusand just make that f**ng quickbar declarative component06:01
tortoisedocI was actually also thinking to give possibility for user to tell how it should be displayed06:01
coderusi will just load it to quickbar :)06:01
tortoisedocremember however, normal notifications will also not be displayed on top of powermenu unless z is fixed06:02
tortoisedocso it is not only a problem for quickbar06:02
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lpottertortoisedoc: whats more painful is compiling it:)06:12
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coderustortoisedoc: powermenu designed to be on top of everything06:13
coderusif os stuck you should be able to call powermenu anyway06:13
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tortoisedoccoderus : the fact powermenu is below notifications does not mean it's not on top of other stuff, no?06:14
tortoisedocalso, if os stuck -> lipstick stuck -> powermenu stuck?06:15
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coderusos stuck != lipstick stuck :)06:15
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tortoisedocdefine os stuck :P06:15
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coderussomething other tnak lipstick stuck :P06:17
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tortoisedocso app stuck  === os stuck?06:17
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tortoisedoccoderus : shouldnt patching be able to handle upgrades?06:19
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tortoisedoci.e. recognize previous patches etc06:19
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coderustortoisedoc: previous patches? :D06:19
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tortoisedoccoderus: recognize presence of previous patches and handle accordingly? :P06:20
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coderustortoisedoc: yes i did that, but it's not handy and dangerous. don't want to release it.06:24
tortoisedocthere will always be a chance to have a conflict as long as patches are involved06:25
tortoisedoceven without z setting, if something is manipulated, it might break updates06:28
tortoisedocwork computer not recognizing phone ;_;06:29
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tortoisedoccoderus : im afraid without the parent it won't cut it06:33
tortoisedocparent is needed06:34
coderusi will reserve space when, waiting for your api06:37
tortoisedochmm perhaps reparenting could work?06:37
tortoisedocit is worth a try at least?06:37
tortoisedocI can try for you if you want, but it will have to wait until later today :P06:37
tortoisedocwow usb connection is blazing fast compared to wifi06:39
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tortoisedoccoderus  : ^06:46
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tubavilken modell var din telefon07:10
tubasorry, wrong channel07:11
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tobbe_morning all sailors!07:22
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Armadillotobbe_: morning07:25
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HereAGoatIn sailfish is any dialog looked like a " pop-up dialog"?07:28
HereAGoatI'm trying to port cocos2d-x game engine for sailfish , and sailfish's dialog looked different, so07:28
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ArmadilloSailfish UI has no popup dialog in the classic meaning I think07:30
Armadillowhat do you want to realize with the popup?07:30
stephgif it's out of app, then a notification, if it's in-app, er, I dunno07:31
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HereAGoatit's in-app. If a dialog show with full screen , it will cover the game view scene07:32
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Armadilloyou should try the UI element demo to try out which UI element fits your needs07:33
HereAGoatyes, I had tried ,and no07:33
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HereAGoatmaybe, does a pulldown menu can show a Multiple lines object ?07:35
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coderustortoisedoc: use DockedPaned or Drawer07:48
HereAGoatoh yeah ! a popup panel with a label and a button07:48
coderusoopw wrong highlight07:48
coderusHereAGoat: ^^07:48
HereAGoatthank U ;)07:49
SK_workmorning \o/07:50
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coderustortoisedoc: i'll check it ofc. asap.07:59
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WntI built the sailfish-browser from master for armv7hl using these instructions:
Wntwhen trying to install the result rpm (sailfish-browser-1.1.12-1.armv7hl.rpm) on the device I get an error "Fatal error: nothing provides nemo-qml-plugin-policy-qt5 >= 0.0.4 needed by sailfish-browser-1.1.12-1.armv7hl"10:37
WntDo I need to add a repository to the device to get it installed?10:38
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coderusWnt: no, you need to build it yourself too :)10:39
WntI can see binaries for that in
Wntis it safe to run "ssu ar nemo-latest-mw" on the device?10:41
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WntI guess that would then provide it for the package manager?10:41
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coderusWnt: sure its safe unless you do upgrade with this repo enabled :)10:43
coderusbut you can just grab rpm10:44
Wntyeah, I just installed that one single RPM and now have the new browser running on the device :)10:44
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coderusWnt: which branch did you build?10:58
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King_DuckZhello, anybody knows how to see at what time a missed call was received?11:01
King_DuckZlike somebody called me, I opened the page where all the in/out calls are logged11:02
King_DuckZand I called the person back, but then the log didn't show at what time I received his call, instead it was showing at what time I tried to call back11:03
King_DuckZhow do I get to the missed call registry?11:03
tbryou can get that. IIRC someone had a "patch" for that11:04
tbrmight be in SK_work's stuff11:04
King_DuckZI also have a problem with the media player, I've put 3 songs on my phone, and a load of songs on the memory card - the 3 songs on the phone are displayed with their info and cover, all the others are mixed up in "all songs", though I'm sure at some point they were also sorted by album11:05
King_DuckZtbr: what's SK_work?11:05
King_DuckZah the dev branch maybe?11:06
WntKing_DuckZ: I have used this:
Wntcoderus: master11:06
King_DuckZI haven't seen any update so far, I thought the development was frozen11:07
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King_DuckZWnt: thanks, I'm having a look11:08
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coderusWnt: apply text selection and search branches :)11:15
artemmaStskeeps: ping11:16
Stskeepsartemma: pong11:16
artemmaStskeeps: did you get endurance reports link yesterday?11:16
Stskeepsartemma: yes, arrived home from finland last night so am catching up to everything now11:16
Stskeepswill dl it11:16
King_DuckZnobody's having the same issue I have with the multimedia app?11:17
Stskeepsgetting myself a test device atm11:17
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King_DuckZhm I just plugged the memory into my pc, I think the filesystem got damaged, somehow11:19
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ttttkldoes anyone else lose conenction to server quite regularly? forgot to copy/paste the error msg, really annoying, using webchat.freenode in FF32 beta (OSX).11:41
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jukehow does sailfishos show what the current mobile network type is? i tried using 3 different qt-APIs in c++ but none of them work11:51
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jukeQNetworkInfo returns garbage, so does QNetworkConfiguration11:52
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jukeis there some dbus API i can use?11:53
locusfthere is a qml bit you might wanna take a look at11:53
King_DuckZsomething's wrong with the multimedia app imo11:54
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King_DuckZI've re-copied my music (mixed ogg/mp3/flac) onto my vfat memory card, now /some/ albums are shown properly, the rest is under "all songs", all mixed up11:55
King_DuckZthe player also thinks they all have a duration of 00:0011:55
King_DuckZbut they play fine11:56
coderusjuke: QNetworkConfigurationManager::ConfigurationChanged(QNetworkConfiguration) signal11:56
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jukecoderus, thanks i'll try that. QNetworkConfigurationManager::defaultConfiguration().bearerType() is not working11:57
jukealso i'm pretty sure that QNetworkConfigurationManager does not know about LTE BearerType11:59
jukeyes, just checked, qnetworkconfiguration.h does not have LTE in BearerType enum12:00
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Aciidget juked12:03
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coderusjuke: so what type it have at LTE?12:14
coderushave BearerLTE12:15
jukebut isn't the current jolla phones 4.8?12:15
Stskeepsno, 5.112:16
Stskeepssoon 5.212:16
jukeit says unknown12:16
coderusdevs doesn't know on whichplatform they developing :')12:16
jukemy build box doesn't know the type to have BearerLTE12:17
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coderusso, just check on device what value returning when LTE connected :)12:18
jukeit says unknown12:18
coderusjust compile and check value :)12:19
jukei did, it returns BearerUnknown12:19
coderusso, you can decide for now BearerUnknown is LTE :)12:20
coderuswith Qt 5.2 it will be BearerLTE :)12:20
jukewhen's that?12:20
coderuseverybody hope update 912:21
faenilat least according to the released roadmap for up9 :D12:22
jukeok, it seems that even the status icon doesn't understand lte, so it's probably using the same API12:26
jukeso nevermind, i'll be waiting for update 912:27
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King_DuckZis there an update planned then? I was expecting more updates tbh12:36
faenilKing_DuckZ: they promised updating once a month12:36
King_DuckZon the average pc distro you get weekly updates12:36
King_DuckZfaenil: ok12:36
faeniland they're keeping the promise with a 1week delay on avg12:36
Nicd-they also said they would have a break during the summer12:36
StskeepsKing_DuckZ: yeah, but pc distros rarely do deep qa12:36
faenilso I think they're doing good12:37
King_DuckZfaenil: ok, that explains why I haven't seen any update yet12:37
cos-i think the current delay is because of summer holidays12:37
cos-they shouldn't let developers keep them12:37
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King_DuckZI've only had my phone for 6-7 weeks now12:38
cos-oh, ok. during spring they released (almost) once in month12:38
Stskeepscos-: it's either summer holidays or somebody going postal.. :P12:39
faenilKing_DuckZ: August update was skipped (as planned) because of summer holidays, otherwise, you should get an update every 2nd week of a month (usually)12:39
King_DuckZso they have a roadmap?12:39
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cos-it's posted on mailing list12:40
faenilKing_DuckZ: not really...let me explain12:40
faenilthe promise is: once a month you'll get an update12:40
faenilthen, halfway through an update development they post a "features to be expected in the next update" mail on mailinglist12:40
faenilthat's it :)12:41
King_DuckZwhat's the website where you can find the mailing list address, the irc channels and all the info?12:41
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ttttkl>.> Also see footer of that page12:43
ttttklside-note: that page is prolly overdue for a big overhaul, like the one done recently for
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chem|stis there something like kismet around in mer/nemo/sfos?13:08
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coderusi really want to see sources of this app:
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coderusMitakuuluu happy anniversary! 200 issues at bugtracker!14:18
faenilcongrats! :)14:19
nazanincoderus: you're the mitakuuluu developer?14:20
Nicd-nazanin: you didn't know?14:20
coderusno, i'm just following its bugtracker14:21
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King_DuckZwhat's that? some boat?
coderusKing_DuckZ: this one:
King_DuckZah a chat client14:24
King_DuckZhmm what does the name stand for?14:25
Nicd-"Mitä kuuluu?" is "What's up?" in Finnish14:25
King_DuckZoh... I thought it was an acronym14:25
King_DuckZor something14:25
coderusdoes anyone have some example project using telepathy-qt ?14:26
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Nicd-King_DuckZ: that's a loooong acronym14:27
kimmolijust MK ?14:27
King_DuckZidk, I'd use a name people would understand... iono, whatsdown, or chatup or something14:29
King_DuckZNicd-: well, I'm not used to see two u together in a word that is not an acronym :)14:29
King_DuckZI'll try it btw, but it's not on the store, right?14:30
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kimmolion openrepos only14:31
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tilli guess finnish ppl do understand :)14:34
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kimmoliimho better than "persecute"14:35
tadzikat least it's cute14:35
kimmoliass-söpö ?14:36
King_DuckZah that's easy14:36
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King_DuckZan ass that makes you sleepy14:36
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King_DuckZso about this openrepos, it looks very complicated... how would a non-technical person install something from there (assuming he/she ever learns such a thing exists)?14:38
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kimmolibrowse there with jolla, download the RPM, click to transfers (e.g. from Notifications) click on file, allow it to install. (works if no dependencies needed)14:39
kimmolior install the OR application (?) i have never used that so i dont know...14:39
kimmoliwas it called warehouse?14:40
King_DuckZ I thought there wasn't one?14:40
King_DuckZoh maybe I saw that, hold on14:40
coderusinstall this:
King_DuckZnope, I didn't14:41
coderusand you can browse openrepos, install apps, receive update notifications and remove apps :)14:41
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King_DuckZhow comes none of this is on the official repo?14:42
Nicd-because they use APIs that are not allowed on the store14:42
kimmolisome is also there, so is not allowed due harbour rules, some are not as they are "beta"14:43
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King_DuckZshouldn't this be more advertised?14:44
coderusKing_DuckZ: everybody know openrepo14:45
coderusisnt it?14:45
King_DuckZit sounds as if they're fragmenting a repo that is already tiny, compared to android at least, and if I wasn't here today looking at the room at that particular moment I wouldn't know either14:45
King_DuckZnot me14:46
King_DuckZwhere is it linked from?14:46
Nicd-King_DuckZ: openrepos is not by jolla, that is why jolla does not advertise it14:46
Nicd-it is purely a community project14:46
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King_DuckZit won't let me install it, I get something like "untrusted software disabled"14:48
kimmolisettings of jolla14:48
Nicd-you need to enable it in settings14:48
King_DuckZah found14:49
kimmolii think this is "typical" lifecycle: TMO > dropbox RPM links > OpenRepos (> Jolla store if pass Harbour QA)14:49
King_DuckZwth it says if I enable that I'll void my warranty14:49
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Nicd-King_DuckZ: it *may* void warranty14:50
nieldkNeed some assistance in first attempts creating a flashable system image for Jolla device, see
Nicd-it means that if you install software that bricks the phone by using root permissions to do evil stuff, it will not be covered14:50
tbrbecause it enables you to do very dumb things with your phone that will render it unrecoverable by you14:50
tbrand openrepos is _the_ prime location if you are looking to break your phone. At least by what you hear. *snerk*14:51
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King_DuckZbut how can I tell if whatever I install from there won't brick my phone? or even the openrepos itself?14:51
Nicd-you can't14:51
tbryou can not14:51
ln-btw, there is/was some app in harbour, which requires command line to uninstall. how did that pass QA?14:51
Nicd-you can only trust the people that wrote the software14:52
tbrln-: did you complain?14:52
ln-tbr: i didn't, but i also didn't install it... the removal instructions were in its description.14:52
Aardln-: which app?14:52
coderusnieldk: adding zeroes to the end of file while it is multiple of bs ?14:52
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coderusKing_DuckZ: read commets14:53
Nicd-ln-: I think you mean Quickbar beta, it no longer requires you to use the CLI to uninstall14:53
nieldkcoderus: thought of that, but that would possibly give issues when flashing back to device14:54
ln-can't remember its name, but it could have been Quickbar14:54
King_DuckZit doesn't make any sense, I may decide to install makalulu 'cause you guys look trustworthy, but I can't imagine non-techies going through that14:54
King_DuckZit should be somehow endorsed by jolla14:54
coderusnieldk: img2simg should take care of it, no?14:54
Nicd-I agree, they should work with coderus to make mitakuuluu harbour-approved14:54
tbrKing_DuckZ: want to have endorsed by jolla, use the jolla store aka harbour14:54
Nicd-but this is how it is currently14:54
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King_DuckZadmittedly ppl who jailbreak their stuff install random crap that anonymous ppl are tossing at them... but iono14:55
nieldkcodderus: Not sure, will try it later14:55
coderusi can make it harbour-approved, but i wont, because it will lose many nice features then :)14:55
kimmolimäkälulu ... i just choked on pulla14:55
nazaninln-: afaik there was one app with which had this problem and it's been a long time since it's fixed14:56
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King_DuckZcoderus: what kind of feature they would reject? why would they want you to trim down your code?14:56
ln-nazanin: still, how did it pass QA?14:57
coderusKing_DuckZ: i mean if i rewrite mitakuuluu to fir harbour rules14:58
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coderusmany features like camera, location, autostart, led notifications, background daemon, dbus service are not approved14:59
coderusyou will get just an app you can use if it launched.14:59
kimmolihmm. just-chat-mitäkuuluu, would it be called "morjens"  ?14:59
tbror "moro"15:00
King_DuckZhm I see15:01
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nieldkkimmoli: what would useless be in Finnish15:01
King_DuckZand is it possible to write something that integrates into sailfish like xmpp does?15:01
coderusKing_DuckZ: sure15:01
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kimmolinieldk: turhanpäiväinen15:02
coderusas soon as sailfish conversations will support MUC and give access to roster :)15:02
King_DuckZcoderus: would that be against their rules as well?15:02
coderusalso features like attachments and extra toolbars will be nice to have15:02
AardKing_DuckZ: integrating there would be done by doing a telepathy-provider15:03
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coderusKing_DuckZ: same, it will require private api anyway15:03
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King_DuckZyeah, that's what I'm thinking also... is it possible atm to send pictures through xmpp?15:03
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Nicd-kimmoli: I think hyödytön would be better15:03
tbrcoderus: there are several things that would benefit from open sourcing the messaging app15:03
tbrcoderus: MUC being one of them, certainly15:03
nieldkcoderus: I think your openrepos version have been proven accepted by people ;) sad that it cant be accepted for harbour, but oh well15:03
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coderustbr: sure, we're waiting for it15:03
tbrI intend to poke that topic on the next meeting15:04
tbrnothing happens if you don't push it around here15:04
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nazaninln-: at that time,when the quickbar app was submitted to Store, it was rejected in the beginning, the developer fixed so many issues and stated how you can quit the app... so at that stage it got approved but I asked him directly to put a qui option for quiting the app15:04
coderusnieldk: no exceptions :)15:04
nazaninAard: ?15:04
Aardnazanin: I was waiting for the answer :p15:04
King_DuckZwell I can see why they don't want you to run daemons at boot, it might slow down the phone and increase battery usage, and it's a huge opportunity to install crapware that you can't close easily15:05
coderusKing_DuckZ: sure15:05
ln-nazanin: okay15:05
coderusi even pushed sources to obs and chum and everywhere15:05
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coderusbut nobody is interested :)15:05
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coderusand then my webhook from git to obs broken and nobody helped me to fix it15:07
coderusand now my obs account is useless15:07
nieldkcoderus: wow, that sucks15:07
tbrthere was a SR to chum of mitakuulu? I don't remember that15:08
coderustbr: yes just right after i registered to chum and you witk SK helped me to setup webhook15:08
coderusi pushed up-to-date version and you approved it15:09
coderusand then my webhook was broken15:09
Aardlbt: where are we with rolling out the new webhooks version with acls?15:09
coderusSK tried to help me15:09
* King_DuckZ is so tired today15:09
coderusbut cant15:09
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kimmoliobs is too hard to use imho15:09
kimmolior to setup15:09
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tbrcoderus: ah, ok15:10
coderuskimmoli: well, setup just did once, and webhooks15:10
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coderusthen you just push new tag and it build your project15:10
kimmoliyes i know. i have lots of small apps15:10
tbrkimmoli: for me it was very easy to use, especially if the app was "harbour ready"15:11
kimmolii just wanted to be able to setup weboohk myself15:11
tbrI mostly either just use git service or upload a source tarball (from upstream)15:12
Aardkimmoli: the software for that has been ready for >2 months, it's just waiting for deployment on mer infrastructure15:12
kimmoliAard: i have heard yes15:13
kimmolibut once you get to topic, one needs to complain :P15:13
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kimmoliI made decision back then, that my projects/apps use only spec, and i can build them either on obs or with sdk...15:14
kimmoliwhy is the yaml there anyway? yet-another...15:14
Aardno comment on the yaml from me in public :p15:14
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coderusi'm removing yaml every time :D15:21
coderusprobably it should be very usable gui for yaml in qtc15:22
coderusbut it sucks and removed for mow :D15:22
coderusfor now *15:22
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kimmolinow the sdk supports windows CRLF .spec too, i have removed yaml from my project template too15:24
coderusyaml fo noobs15:24
coderusevery should know spec15:24
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King_DuckZwhat's wrong with yaml? I find it pretty cool15:28
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King_DuckZwhat do you use instead?15:28
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King_DuckZbtw guys, I'm working on a doodle jump clone which I'd like to port to sailfish at some point15:34
King_DuckZit shouldn't be too hard as it already builds and run on arm15:35
King_DuckZif anybody wants to help with that... :)15:35
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coderusKing_DuckZ: using spec of course :)15:44
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King_DuckZcoderus: ?15:47
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King_DuckZit looks very specific to that purpose, it's not an alternative to yaml15:56
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lbtAard: not started on that yet16:04
coderusreally? :D rpm build from spec, it generates from yaml :D16:04
coderus(in case of sailfish template project)16:05
lbtcoderus: yeah we know .. "I'm an expert, I can code in assembler, C is for wusses"16:05
lbtsame thing for spec/yaml16:05
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coderusyaml is just less features spec16:05
lbt*I* don't need it now I learned it so it's crap16:05
coderusless featured*16:05
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lbtcoderus: and that's bad because?16:05
coderusi see no reason why it should be used16:05
lbtI see no reason C should be used instead of asm .. it's less featured16:06
coderusi never write it is crap16:06
coderusjust i'm not using it :)16:06
lbtyep - but I get fed up with "it's not right for me and my use case so it's no good" arguments16:06
lbttotally selfish16:06
coderus<< i'm removing yaml every time :D  << probably it should be very usable gui for yaml in qtc  << but it sucks and removed for now :D16:07
coderusmy position16:07
* lbt bets that most spec files that 'experts' write could be improved by running spec2yaml and then specify :)16:08
King_DuckZlbt: you don't code in assembler, you code in assembly :) the assembler takes your assembly and assembles it ;)16:08
lbtI use butterflies ;P16:08
King_DuckZcoderus: I thought you were talking about general case16:08
King_DuckZlbt: nice, I've got a shortcut in vim for that :p16:09
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kimmolii'm out of my league here, but i get rid of yaml, as sdk did self-edit it every time you opened project, which made git dirty16:10
* kimmoli knows how to exit vim, nano and emacs, and notepad. enough for CV ?16:10
lbtkimmoli: sdk handling of yaml sucks for sure - and that annoyed the hell out of me and ruined a great design16:10
ArmadilloI only had this before the plain text editability of the yaml file16:11
kimmoliyes, iirc it was solved by removing editing "gui"16:11
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kimmoliout of curiosity, what and where is this spec2yaml ? i can found it from this channel logs 12/201316:21
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lbtkimmoli: part of the spectacle package16:26
kimmoli... i was just checking what *spec* *yaml* packages there are...16:27
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kimmoliaa spec2spectacle16:29
kimmoliError <spec2spectacle>: Input spec file is a spectacle generated one, do NOT convert it again.16:29
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kimmoliit did insert bugs to the freshly created spec16:43
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kimmoliis the googletalk/hangout voice call partially implemented?16:53
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kimmolimy mom tried to call be through gtalk, and i dont have mic, so called via cellphone back to her, and phone said "call already going on" (or something else lost in translation)16:54
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kimmoliah, nothing. i just pressed the dial button twice in a row16:59
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cariveriHi. heard of this OS. what phone could I have for it?17:04
SK_workhi cariveri17:06
SK_workthe best way to get it is to buy a Jolla17:07
SK_workthere is an initiative to bring it to Android phones17:07
SK_workNexus 4 do have testing images17:07
SK_workNexus 5 port is in a good shape17:07
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cariverihow much opensource is sailfishos ?17:08
SK_workcariveri: not fully17:08
SK_workbut quite a bit17:08
SK_workmost base and middleware is17:08
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SpeedEvilHas anyone asked about sailfish on Samsung Gear S yet? :)17:09
cariverithat would have been great.17:09
SK_workyou got the glibc, gcc, qt for gui, and a lot of middleware (sms management phone, photos, etc.)17:09
SK_workthe UI is not opoensource17:09
SK_worksome apps are being opened too: the browser is oss, as well as the office document viewer17:09
SK_workSpeedEvil: ask Stskeeps he got something IIRC17:09
SK_workcariveri: the fact is that it is really an open community. As the base OS is quite open (kernel aside, and drivers)17:10
cariveriSK_work: ok thanks. Ill look up jolla.17:10
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tigelicariveri: shop.jolla.com17:10
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SK_workyou have people who do hacks, people who enhance the middleware etc.17:10
SK_workand the community welcome this quite much :)17:11
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NaranekCan I bind a ListModel inside another ListModel so that it's not a copy of the original but a reference18:07
Naranekso that if I change a value in the original model, it's also updated inside the other model18:07
coderusNaranek: only in qt18:14
coderusas proxy model18:14
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Naranekok. thanks.18:34
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NaranekListModel.get() docs include a warning, that The returned object is not guaranteed to remain valid.18:57
Naranekhow should I reference model parts in JS if I want them to remain valid?18:58
coderusjust dont get values while it changing :)18:58
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coderusQMediaRecorder error: "Recording permissions are not available"19:00
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coderuscan't record video when calling :D19:00
Naranekthat might be it. I'm using timers to update the data periodically, and the whole model is built with duct tape and get-functions19:01
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coderususe Qt :)19:06
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Naranekyeeaaaah... I probably should19:08
NaranekI'm just waiting for python support19:09
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coderuspython is for python stuff19:13
coderusafaik there are no good listmodel from python to QML19:14
coderuslistmodel is Qt bindings anyway19:14
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tortoisedoc_coderus : any luck with the reparenting?19:30
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coderustortoisedoc_: ah, forgot about it19:31
coderussome minutes :)19:31
tortoisedoc_coderus : :P19:33
tortoisedoc_coderus : no worries, fighting currently with layout orientation19:35
coderustortoisedoc_: also: eventsLayer not working with quickbar?19:37
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tortoisedoc_coderus : eventsLayer?19:39
tortoisedoc_as parent you mean?19:39
coderusyes yes19:44
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tortoisedoc_eventsLayer : not tested, one sec19:47
tortoisedoc_need to revert to workable version of quickbar :/19:48
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tortoisedoc_child woke up, sorry coderus will have to wait : |20:01
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