Tuesday, 2014-09-02

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tortoisedocjee update? :P06:38
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Nicd-every time you ask if the update is out, Stskeeps delays it for a day06:39
Stskeepswell, i'd say aard instead06:39
cameriswhats coming in the next update?06:39
Nicd-then they all laugh in their lair of evil06:39
Nicd-at least that's what I love to imagine :D06:39
Nicd-cameris: https://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-August/004939.html06:40
aard_cameris: biggest change is moving to qt5.206:40
aard_which is a lot of fun06:40
Nicd-also devs have to fix their dialogs apparently. have to check if my app explodes06:40
tbrNicd-: broken backwards compatibility? unpossible!06:42
camerisFix to WLAN disconnect issue while roaming due to RSN IE mismatch. yay!06:43
* tbr is still unsure of the newer connman fixes his wifi problems. something fubared the wifi stack, again06:44
camerisis there a screenshot off how the new dialog page will look?06:44
pp_:-) I always associate the wlan RSN with "This stuff will work properly really soon now"06:44
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Nicd-tbr: I'm not angry about it, I know BC breaks have to happen. it was merely an observation06:45
pp_it was introducted in 2005ish and it's still like that for the more complex stuff, even on mainstream OS's :-)06:45
tortoisedoc badgerbadger06:47
tortoisedocNicd- : whoa that will increase the chances to get a bugfree update, excellent :P06:47
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stephgmorning folks07:12
Stskeepsmorn stephg07:12
stephghey Stskeeps how's life, the research and everything? :)07:12
Stskeepsit's good07:12
Stskeepsdoing some system level work atm though07:12
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stephgsatisfying-solving-problems or pulling-your-hair-out07:13
Stskeepsa bit of both. but that's what i like07:13
stephgwell you gotta roll with the punches, personally I'm waiting for BT to turn up to reconnect my phone after the builders seem to have damaged the line07:13
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Naranekcan I use the built in icon-m-backspace.png in my app, or will is result in rejection in harbour?08:29
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stephgNaranek, depends what you mean by use?08:34
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stephgif you packaged it then you may be breaching its copyright but I doubt they'd actively look for that08:34
stephgif you just make reference to it in your code at it's original path it'd be fine no?08:35
NaranekI was thinking of making a reference.08:35
Naranektechnically it's not an issue, but it still might not be allowed08:36
stephgI don't think they'd be looking for it08:37
NaranekI'd rather use it instead of a custom icon, because custom backspace would be more confusing for the user08:37
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WntNaranek: I have used a icon that is in the same directory as the icon you were wondering about and my application passed the harbour QA: https://github.com/Wnt/PlanningPoker/blob/master/qml/pages/CardPage.qml09:16
Wntline 2109:16
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kimmoliNaranek: yes, recommended to use sailfish theme icons, iconSource: "image://theme/icon-m-...."09:40
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Naranekthanks guys :)09:46
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camerisfollowing TextField is inside a delegate: http://pastebin.com/v9Ki4AS1 . Can anyone tell me why it is always errorHighlighted until I completly erase the number (count).09:52
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zGrrmoin :)10:02
Stskeepsdzien dobry10:03
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Stskeepsgood to see more jolla users in poland10:04
zGrrStskeeps: I don't have a Jolla yet.10:05
zGrrStskeeps: I'm planning to buy one.10:06
Stskeepsalright, any info you'd like?10:06
zGrrI'm still on N900 and N9. N900 is my primary phone yet.10:06
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zGrrI'd love to have HW keyboard.10:07
Stskeepscurrently there's some community projects ongoing10:07
zGrrI heard of them.10:07
Stskeepsi used to love hw keyboard too but i don't use it as much anymore..10:07
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zGrrNever had enough time to follow them and migrate my N9.10:08
kimmolicameris: do you need more to  IntValidator { bottom: 1 } than just bottoms? this is 0 not alloved?10:08
zGrrI would prefer just to buy Jolla.10:08
fluxyeah, I too only miss it whenever I need to write stuff.10:08
zGrrI need to have two pieces of software on my handset.10:09
kimmolijolla vkb is kinda ok, only issue is that i want to use english dictionary with finnish layout10:09
zGrrCisco client and x3270.10:09
zGrrCisco is easy, I guess.10:09
Stskeepswell, if it's available under android..10:09
zGrrx3270 might be much more dificult.10:09
Stskeepsare you speaking VPN client though?10:09
zGrrI don't think it is available for the Android.10:10
Stskeepsmm, should be possible with a bit of manual setup perhaps10:10
Stskeepswe do have connman10:10
Stskeepswas it available under n900/n9?10:10
zGrrIt was community project on Freemantle anyway.10:10
cameriskimmoli: 0 and lower not allowed. top is default to max of int.10:10
zGrrIt was working well on Freemantle.10:11
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Stskeepsgot a link to what was in use there?10:12
tbrboth the vpnc and the openconnect clients should work. Making them cooperate with connman is probably an exercise left to the user.10:12
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pp_x3270 might be interesting yea, I'd assume it uses something like athena widgets or whatnot10:13
zGrrIt should also be easy to compile it for incepted N910:13
zGrrActually i have a question.10:13
zGrrHow open is Sailfish?10:14
zGrrdo you need some sort of inception?10:14
zGrrOr is it fully open?10:14
Stskeepsyou can get full root with no inception through developer unlock, and unlock the bootloader in recovery mod10:14
Stskeepserr, developer mode, that is10:14
zGrrold fashioned xlib10:15
tbrwhich obviously means it's after that also open to shoot yourself in the foot10:15
StskeepszGrr: also note we're a wayland based device..10:15
zGrrIt looks like it was taken straight from the 1970ties10:15
zGrrOf course.10:15
zGrrI know that.10:15
zGrris it possible to run something like easydebian on it?10:15
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Stskeepsprobably, but nobody has done Xwayland yet10:16
zGrrwayland is still in it's early stage.10:17
zGrrIt will come earlier or later.10:17
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zGrrI will probably order Jolla soon.10:18
zGrrIs there a sailfish os port for virtualbox or vmware? Just to have a look?10:19
pp_yea, just get the sdk10:19
stephgzGrr, the sdk has an emulator10:19
zGrr... and possibly port 3270 emulator.10:19
zGrrGreat little piece of software. Much better than any of its bloated commercial alternatives.10:20
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tortoisedoc3270 emulator?10:26
tortoisedocStskeeps, zGrr : full root access is currently not granted in harbour tho10:26
Stskeepsof course, it's a user thing10:27
Stskeepsnot an app thing :P10:27
tortoisedoc(only " limitation")10:27
tortoisedocyes but if zGrr plans to release on harbour and finds out at the end, he might be disappointed :P10:27
tortoisedoc(finds out he cannot due to root elevation)10:27
tortoisedocso better mention it now10:27
tortoisedocand mention also there is openrepos :P10:28
kimmolic3270 (curses version) on fingerterm ?10:29
tortoisedocStskeeps : is the ppp package currently in mer not supporting ppp?10:29
Stskeepserr.. we have a ppp package?10:29
tortoisedocd'oh xD10:30
tortoisedocStskeeps : https://build.merproject.org/package/view_file?expand=0&file=disable-vpnplugins-vpnc-and-pptp.patch&package=NetworkManager-kde&project=home%3Awonko%3Apa-networkmanagement-tests&rev=637d541ae1a02887c89f57f85a66f98e10:30
tortoisedocthis one :P10:30
Stskeepsno clue10:30
tortoisedocack :/10:30
tortoisedocI was just wondering if it there is a particular reason for it not being present or it is just missing10:30
pp_pptp requires ppp requires complexity?10:31
Stskeepswell, more like not packaged10:32
tortoisedocok, so it is just missing :)10:32
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tortoisedoci'd love to have pptp support on my jolla10:32
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tbrtortoisedoc: package and submit to chum, simple.10:36
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tortoisedoc_tbr : chum?10:45
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tortoisedoc_tbr : thanks10:56
zGrrIs Jolla planning to release a tablet?10:59
zGrrThat would be nice.10:59
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cos-zGrr: even if they would be, they wouldn't announce it on irc when somebody asks :-)11:01
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tbryou can run sailfish on the Nexus7, the UI isn't very tablet tuned though11:02
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Sailor10487anyone running sailfish on Xperia Tab Z?11:05
tbrSailor10487: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris11:07
Sailor10487ok, thanks11:08
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Nicd-Galaxy Nexus support seems to be pretty good11:09
tbrespecially the 2012 edition11:10
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camerisstill need help with the TextField problem from above. Don't know why it does that.11:35
coderuscameris: can't find your problem in backlog11:38
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cameriscoderus: 11:52 < cameris> following TextField is inside a delegate: http://pastebin.com/v9Ki4AS1 . Can anyone tell me why  it is always errorHighlighted until I completly erase the number (count)11:43
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coderuscameris: IntValidator sucks11:49
coderususe RegExpValidator11:49
cameriscoderus: ^^11:50
zGrrHow does the Jolla's power consumption compares to N9s?11:51
cameriscoderus: RegExpValidator works, but I get not as good performance while flicking11:51
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pp_it lasts longer, but no power save mode (which was nice to prevent running completely out of battery)11:54
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coderuscameris: RegExpValidator{ regExp: /[0-9]*/;} ?12:01
cameriscoderus: /^[1-9][0-9]*$/12:01
coderusmaybe replace it with Slider component then? :)12:02
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cameriscoderus: not practical in this case. but thx. I will use regexp for now.12:05
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coderuscameris: did you tried to set manually both top and bottom in intvalidator?12:10
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tortoisedoc_I wonder, is there any chance lipstick-jolla will end up on github?12:41
Stskeepsdoubt it12:42
tortoisedoc_it would be unmanageable12:42
tortoisedoc_although it would allow for devs to make pull requests12:42
Stskeepswell, not today at least..12:42
tortoisedoc_(which is would make it unmanageable maybe)12:43
tortoisedoc_ah so there IS hope in the future? :)12:43
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coderustortoisedoc_: most of sources are just for checkmark, no real pull requests will be allowed from end developers. only from menonobile dev team and sailors itself :)12:47
tortoisedoc_menonobile, right :P12:48
tortoisedoc_lapsus ;)12:48
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coderusits just my vision12:52
Stskeepscoderus: ah.. that's not true, it's all about chasing down reviewers12:53
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coderusStskeeps: just commits "hack to make my QuickLaunch" make better won't be approved :D12:59
Stskeepswell, if it's a reasonable api.. got an example of it happening?12:59
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coderustortoisedoc_: ^13:17
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tortoisedoc_Stskeeps : no, but I can arrange it :)13:48
tortoisedoc_Stskeeps : not yet, but will soon - if it gets reviewed? :)13:49
tortoisedoc_and where to get the assurance on that?13:50
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coderustortoisedoc_: exactly :D14:02
Stskeepswell, you don't have any assurance anywhere :P14:02
tortoisedoc_Everything changes all the time :P14:02
tortoisedoc_ha! it's a chicken / egg problem ^^14:03
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cos-i hope the slowness during incoming call is fixed in next update14:44
cos-i think it's happening more often nowadays14:44
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Stskeepscos-: digging into exactly that one atm.. you have wlan enabled?15:54
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cos-Stskeeps: yes16:10
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scharelHi there, does anyone know if there's a way to define the version of an app in just one single place and reuse it in *.spec *.yaml and *,changes files?16:22
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DuckZhello, I've installed osmand as somebody suggested yesterday (a gps/map android app), it works and all, but it takes up so much space16:34
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DuckZI've got a 32GB memory, is there any way I can use it in this scenario?16:35
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javispedrohi hello17:34
javispedroam I correct that elliptic curves are disable in sailfish's openssl because of patent concerns?17:35
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javispedroat least ECDH_* is missing and I cannot find why other than the hobble-openssl script randomly deleting ec* files17:43
Stskeepsjavispedro: a-la fedora usually17:44
javispedroyeah, more holy than the pope17:44
javispedrothe thing is, I'm quite sure I've used ecdh in fedora recently... will take a look17:44
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Stskeepsjavispedro: it was a gear2 you got yourself?17:48
Stskeepshow's that hacking going?17:49
javispedrothe "run mer" part going -- nowhere so far =)17:49
Stskeepswell, anything to make it more useful than it came out of the box17:51
javispedroI put aside because I was having some success in talking to the stock propietary software17:51
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javispedronamely, I managed to set the time. So at least the watch part works now =)17:52
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javispedroin fact, ECDH is required to talk to it, which is why I was looking at openSSL.17:55
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javispedrocollabora announced "mali and wayland" ~ 2 weeks ago18:00
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javispedrosuspect Tizen folks got their softfp drivers from that18:01
Stskeepswell, any chipset maker with respect for themselves can build mali..18:01
javispedromaybe they'll release hardfp drivers if I send some threatening letters :)18:01
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javispedroStskeeps, but there's definitely some Wayland calls in the driver and I'm not sure "any chipset maker" can do that18:02
Stskeepswell :)18:02
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javispedrothe running Mer/Sailfish part is still interesting18:16
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javispedroin part because Tizen is... well18:16
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javispedroin part because I also want to experiment with leaving the AMOLED on 24h18:17
javispedroand in part because I will probably not be able to tell anyone about the protocol the watch speaks unless I want to risk a C&D letters from samsung's lawyers18:18
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javispedroI ponder what Apple's wearable going to be.18:24
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Stskeepswildest fantasy: a 4g connected ear-ish device with bone conductive speaker(?) and subvocalization recognition..18:25
Nokius1javispedro: may we will see tomorrow a few interesting devices from Samsung again ifa2014 may other have a few as well18:26
javispedro"interesting devices from Samsung"??18:26
Nokius1Stskeeps: its apple the make mainstream ^^18:27
Nokius1Tizen <— so toys for hacking ^^18:27
tbrNokius1: or toys to get hacked. look at the tizen camera18:27
javispedrounsurprisingly btw the pulse meter on the gear2 told me "140" bpm while I was entirely idle, and 60bpm right after going up a staircase18:28
javispedrothat summarizes what I think from most Samsung hardware :)18:28
Nokius1tbr :D YEAH18:29
javispedroI was very surprised though that the gear1/2 ships with open bootloader18:29
javispedrowhile the new one with android wear is locked down (mandated by google seemingly)18:29
tbrwell the gears are more like developer reference devices18:30
javispedrogood point18:31
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Nokius1but Samsung got last year during ifa a lot of attention to the "iwatch" javispedro I like my Meta and it is the most I wont from this devices time and a screen which shows notification and yeah  you mad nice extras which now big companies use …18:32
Nokius1tbr may this is way they are a bit price18:33
javispedronot really18:33
javispedrothey can be found by less than 150eur new18:34
tbrNokius1: you have a metawatch too?18:34
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Nokius1but is not the gear also an indicator that the need OS for weables is not out may this Android Wear will fill the vacuum18:35
Nokius1tbr yes18:35
javispedroI guess I should stop fscking around and fix sowatch =)18:35
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Nokius1javispedro:  ^^18:35
tbrjavispedro: yes please, will buy you beers at fosdem18:35
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tbrjavispedro: btw, I heard that there is some bt-le code in qt 5.4 now18:36
javispedroyeah, mine =)18:37
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Nokius1tbr are u still cearing the N9 to use the meta?18:37
javispedro(well mostly ablasche's ) =)18:37
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tbrjavispedro: ah, cool18:37
tbrNokius1: I used to carry my N950 for that, but I stopped somewhen this spring18:38
Nokius1tbr oh yeah u told me (just remeber it was a N950) at cbase18:39
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FloR707Hi there. I am currently looking for a possibility to read the content of a directory. I had a nice solution using QSparql but that is not passing through QA. Is there another, accepted, method to ready the content of a directory?18:39
FloR707I am currently looking at the file browser code but I do not see how he does it...18:40
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Nokius1javispedro: I will buy u one too!!18:41
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javispedronot alcoholic, but your requests have been noted18:43
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coderusFloR707: hm... content of directory... did you tried QDir ?18:47
FloR707As import for QML or as include in c++?18:48
coderusc++ of course18:48
coderusjust make simple class for QML18:48
FloR707Yes that is what I am looking for. How to make a simple class for QML. There is only one specific directory I would like to read from so it cannot be to hard, can it?18:49
FloR707I found several hints to use #include <dirent.h>18:50
Nokius1javispedro:  last week after Nokia (here) shows there maps for gear my first guess was I had this allrady a year agao on my Metawatch with the N9 ^^18:50
coderusFloR707: do you need to read it just once or it should show how it's content changed?18:50
FloR707Only once. That should be fine.18:51
javispedroNokius1, scrollable+color maps is the reason I sometimes used the Liveview too (which is the one I plan to replace with the gear)18:51
NaranekFloR707: what are you reading from it if I may ask?18:51
FloR707When the page is loaded.18:51
javispedroNokius1, though the color smartwatchs border on uselessness on most other usecases IMHO because of the low daytime visibility18:51
FloR707Playlists. I need to get the name and the URL so that I can pass this information in to my player class18:52
Nokius1javispedro:  right  but this is what the crowed like to have18:52
Nokius1the dont carry about battrylife this days18:53
Nokius1javispedro:  in my eyes this devices are over hyped18:53
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coderusFloR707: then use setContextProperty18:54
javispedrowell, gtg, cya18:54
coderusQStringList files = QDir("/pat/to/dir").infoList();18:54
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coderusview->rootContext()->setContextProperty("playlists", files);18:55
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FloR707Okay thanks. I will read through the documentation and try from there. Thanks for the help.18:57
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coderusFloR707: ah, there is also Qt.labs.folderlistmodel 2.0, but i have no idea if it allowed in harbour also...19:00
coderusyou'd better make own solution anyway19:01
FloR707I do not think I have seen it on the list…19:01
coderusyou can always fool harbour about qml import using Qt.atob and Qt.btoa functions :D19:02
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kimmoliFloR707: ah, there is also Qt.labs.folderlistmodel 2.0, but i have no idea if it allowed in harbour19:04
kimmoli                 also...19:04
kimmoli22:01 < coderus> you'd better make own solution anyway19:04
kimmoli22:01 < FloR707> I do not think I have seen it on the list…19:04
* kimmoli sorry19:04
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coderuslol, kimmoli  used notepad wrongly :D19:05
kimmolileaned over my trackball :)19:06
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coderuskimmoli: you need more lube at your trackball19:08
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kimmoliit would have been catched by pastebin script with 5 rows...19:12
kimmoliJust pasted a lot, see here http://pastebin.com/HVgxx6AF19:13
kimmoli(and it seems actually work)19:13
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coderusi'm just using pastebin widget in KDE19:15
coderussetup ctrl + alt + v as upload action19:15
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coderusif i have image file:// in clipboard it will be uploaded to imgur automatically19:15
coderusif i have data text it will be uploaded to paste19:15
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coderusand will return link to clipboard :)19:16
coderusawesom  while using it with Klipper :)19:16
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Diceehmm i need calendat where i can add my work sifts automaticly via url19:35
Armadilloyou can use caldav19:37
Diceeok hmm19:38
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tortoisedocno update yet :|20:08
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tortoisedocif I would like to make my custom build of lipstick20:09
tortoisedocand test it on my device20:09
tortoisedochow can i ?20:09
tortoisedoci think locusf has been able to, right=20:10
tortoisedocwith the glacierui20:10
tortoisedoc(which btw I did not have time to look into yet)20:10
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tortoisedocdo I "just" replace the lipstick executablte?20:10
tortoisedoc*executable also20:10
locusftortoisedoc: essentially yes20:11
locusftortoisedoc: I got sources20:11
tortoisedoclocusf : you mean the nemomobile ones?20:12
tortoisedoc(for lipstick)20:12
locusftortoisedoc: the homescreen implementation https://github.com/nemomobile-ux/glacier-home20:12
tortoisedoclocusf : thanks20:14
tortoisedoclocusf : can I start with the nemomobile lipstick as well?20:14
tortoisedoc(so I do not need to start from scratch)20:14
locusftortoisedoc: yes, that is the nemo mobile lipstick implementation20:15
tortoisedoclocusf : ah thanks :)20:15
locusfoh you mean the library20:15
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FloR707Hi, is it possible to check in QML if a listmodel has data?20:16
locusftortoisedoc: did you mean lipstick homescreen or lipstick library?20:18
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tortoisedoclocusf : hmm which one is used on emulator? both? :D20:20
locusftortoisedoc: yeah both20:20
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tortoisedoclocusf: thanks20:25
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coderusFloR707: what you mean?20:33
coderusFloR707: check if count > 020:33
FloR707I use a QStringList as model and want to know if there is data in it.20:33
FloR707list === NULL gives me an error but works…20:35
FloR707I mean visibility: list === NULL ? true:false20:35
FloR707other way round…20:36
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FloR707No sorry at it is.20:36
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FloR707No it is not working. Is always true =(20:38
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camerisFloR707: what do you want to achieve with the model?20:52
FloR707I did a count in c++ and forwarded that number to the qml page to trigger the visibility.20:53
camerisif its inside a List-/GridView or Repeater you could do for example ListView { id: myListView; model: myModel; visible: myListView.count > 0 }20:53
FloR707Just hoped that I could do that in QML.20:53
daithefluFloR707: visible: list.count>020:54
FloR707But only within the list right? I tried to bind that to a Text with an error message and that gave me the error that the id of the listview was not known.20:55
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camerisFloR707: ofc it works outside of the ListView too, as long as it is in scope (http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qtqml-documents-scope.html)20:58
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FloR707Yea I still have to learn a lot about QML...21:11
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cameris... me too21:13
camerisg2g, gn8.21:13
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