Saturday, 2014-09-06

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walokracan you sign in to harbour? pressing sign in just refreshes the screen07:55
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Naranekwalokra: nope. same here08:00
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tortoisedocarrr yer old fleabags08:08
tortoisedochas anyone else experienced problems signing into harbour lately?08:08
tortoisedoci myself cant seem to be able to08:08
walokrajust asked about it :)08:09
walokraand yes, can't sign in08:09
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tortoisedocwalokra : exactlu08:10
tortoisedocwalokra : exactly08:10
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tortoisedocie makes it all the way to the username / pw page08:10
tortoisedocfirefox not even there08:10
walokrathere seems to be some js error atleast08:11
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tortoisedocdamn08:12
tortoisedocwas looking forward to do some update s:/08:12
walokrai was looking to gather app stats for my graphs08:12
walokrawell, haven't done it daily anyways08:13
tortoisedocI guess something is boiling @ jolla..08:14
tortoisedocwhich could translate into update? :D08:14
cameris:P08:15
walokraharbour updates haven't been on todo list lately08:21
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sergothi o/ I'm new here, have just bought Jolla Phone. :)09:29
Stskeepswelcome o/09:34
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SpeedEvil:)09:49
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sergotI don't know if it is a "known issue" but a friend of mine understood "selfishOS" instead of "sailfishOS" yesterday :)09:50
Stskeepshehe09:51
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tbrcould also be a shellfish ;)09:54
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sergotor sellfish... :)09:57
Stskeepsmy preciouss09:57
Stskeeps:P09:57
r0kk3rzsailfish is an uncommon word09:58
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r0kk3rzanyone know of any good resources for DBus service implementation for sailfish?10:07
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tortoisedocr0kk3rz : any qt-based dbus service implementation sample will do10:10
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r0kk3rzthats what I thought, but i'm obviously missing something10:11
r0kk3rzdbus knows about the service, but doesnt get the interface name10:11
r0kk3rzand introspect returns but doesnt show any of my methods10:12
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coderusr0kk3rz: Q_CLASSINFO("D-Bus Interface", "harbour.mitakuuluu2.server")10:12
coderusthats it10:12
coderushttps://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/blob/master/server/src/client.h#L11710:13
coderusand of course: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/blob/master/server/src/client.h#L11710:13
coderushttps://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/blob/master/server/src/client.cpp#L18810:13
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r0kk3rzdo you use sessionbus.connect() at all?10:20
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r0kk3rzah10:23
r0kk3rzi think i misunderstood what that method actually does10:23
r0kk3rzi was missing the QDBusConnection::ExportAllSlots in the register object method10:25
r0kk3rzis there any way to alias method names for dbus?10:29
r0kk3rzor will I have to write a separate class10:31
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SfietKonstantinping matrixx ?11:31
SfietKonstantinI will push some changes to truly-yours, is it ok ?11:31
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kimmoliSfietKonstantin: just asking why you included spec in repo?12:45
* kimmoli is lurking12:45
SfietKonstantinkimmoli: removed it12:46
SfietKonstantinerror12:46
SfietKonstantinnow12:46
SfietKonstantinbetter perfs plz12:46
SfietKonstantin:)12:46
kimmolii have to learn using xml2cpp thingy12:46
SfietKonstantindon't learn12:48
SfietKonstantinuse once, copy everywhere :P12:48
SfietKonstantindeveloping on a core i7 is so cool12:54
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SfietKonstantinmuch faster and easier than on the laptop12:54
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SaberAltriaHow to make a flow + repeater do cache buffer or make the cellwidth of gridview fit to content ?13:00
SfietKonstantinSaberAltria: cannot13:01
SfietKonstantinsorry13:01
SfietKonstantinthere is no flow + cache thing :(13:01
r0kk3rzyou can make it dynamically fit to the screen size though13:02
r0kk3rzlittle bit of a complex example, but this does it: https://github.com/r0kk3rz/sailfish-alphabet-sort13:03
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SaberAltriahow about make the cellwidth of gridview fit to content ?13:08
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SfietKonstantinSaberAltria: what are you trying to do ?13:08
SfietKonstantin(don't think it would work)13:08
SfietKonstantin(to resize cell width13:09
SfietKonstantinbeucase IIRC you cannot13:09
SaberAltriaNow I am using flicable + flow + repeater13:09
SaberAltriato make something like this13:09
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SaberAltriahttps://openrepos.net/sites/default/files/packages/2397/screenshot-20140902070501.jpg13:10
SaberAltriaThe length of the text in the cell of gridview is dynamic13:10
SaberAltriaThat is why I cannot use a gridview13:10
SaberAltriabut the combination of flickable + flow + repeater is a bit lag in creating hundred of cell component13:11
SaberAltria<r0kk3rz> your solution is to caculate th position of the children components and hide the invisible elements ?13:13
r0kk3rzits not really *my* solution13:15
r0kk3rzmost of that code I didnt write, more hacked out of the implementation in the people app13:15
SaberAltriaops13:16
r0kk3rzjust thought you might be able to find your answer in there13:16
r0kk3rzas for the root menu it uses a gridview and repeater13:16
r0kk3rzbut instead of using a gridview, you can use rows and columns, should give you more flexibillity13:17
SfietKonstantinSaberAltria: question, why not using flow + repeater ?13:20
SaberAltriabut by using rows and columns, how could I do something like buffering? I want to go for GridView is that it has a cache system...13:20
SfietKonstantindirectly ?13:20
SfietKonstantinSaberAltria: buffering ?13:21
SfietKonstantinwhat do you mean ?13:21
SaberAltriathe buffercache function of listview and gridview13:21
SfietKonstantinactually with row column grid flow, you will have ALL the delagetes all the time13:21
SaberAltriaYes13:21
SfietKonstantinwhy do you need the "cache" ?13:21
SfietKonstantinthese are just some labels13:21
SfietKonstantinthat won't take much memory13:21
SfietKonstantinyou need cache if you have something like huge images13:21
SaberAltriaBecause it will create hundred of label at a same time13:22
SfietKonstantinmatrixx's truly-yours app is doing it wrong for example ;)13:22
SfietKonstantinSaberAltria: created, yep13:22
SfietKonstantinbut not rendered13:22
SfietKonstantindon't forget that rendering is scenegraph controlled13:22
SaberAltriaYup13:22
r0kk3rzyou can control how much is displayed at once through your datamodel13:22
SfietKonstantinat best, you would have a bunch of objects (let's say 100)13:22
SaberAltriaSK, but the listModel is continous changing13:23
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SfietKonstantincontaining some props, and at best 4-5 chars13:23
SfietKonstantinSaberAltria: and ?13:23
SfietKonstantinis this a problem ?13:23
SaberAltriaso everytime the user input something it should re-render13:23
SaberAltriaand at that moment it lag13:23
SfietKonstantinaah13:23
SfietKonstantinhum13:23
SaberAltriabut after the creation then good13:23
SfietKonstantinI think you are right13:24
SfietKonstantinit renders everything13:24
SfietKonstantinhum ...13:24
SaberAltriaYes it renders everything at once but I remember that listview and gridview don't do that13:24
SfietKonstantinSaberAltria: tried QtQuick C++ ? :D13:24
SfietKonstantinit is SUPER PAINFUL and will break at next version13:25
SfietKonstantinbut that's the best solution :(13:25
SfietKonstantinyep, listview and gridviews have the cache system13:25
SaberAltriaI try my very best to avoid doing that.....13:25
SfietKonstantinbut it is because they have constraints on how they layout stuff13:25
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SaberAltriaAny hacking I can do ?13:25
SfietKonstantinespecially, they know what will be on any line13:26
SfietKonstantinSaberAltria: I think that resizable grids can be used13:26
SfietKonstantindynamically set the size of the grid ?13:26
marxistveganany of you folks hack the nexus 4 or 5?13:26
marxistveganwith sailfishos?13:26
SaberAltriaWOW  resizable grids - new vocabulary for me13:26
SfietKonstantinSaberAltria: I mean, change the gridWidth based on input ?13:27
SfietKonstantinSaberAltria: use QFontMetrics to check in which width you need to fit the largest string13:27
SfietKonstantinand divide your grid into a number of columns that suits13:27
SfietKonstantinmarxistvegan: sledges, vgrade are your man13:27
SaberAltriaSK but same question, Could Grid do some kinds of caching ?13:29
marxistveganSfietKonstantin: thanks I am curious at this point to get  a used one and wondering if the 5 is worth the slightly extra cost over the 413:30
SfietKonstantinhttps://qt-project.org/wiki/How_to_create_columns_in_a_QML_ListView13:30
SfietKonstantinSaberAltria: ^13:30
SfietKonstantinGridView13:30
marxistvegansledges: vgrade just curious of the experience with sailfishos running on a nexus 4 or 5 and if one is better than the other13:30
SfietKonstantinmarxistvegan: well, I'm not the ebst to answer here: used to average specs13:30
SfietKonstantin(got N950, N9 and Jolla)13:31
SfietKonstantin(and Nexus 7, but I didn't feel the super ├╝ber specs are really worthy)13:31
marxistveganSfietKonstantin: i have the n9 and the lack of the kernel upgrade seems to be the biggest hold on it13:31
SfietKonstantinmarxistvegan: not only kernel13:32
SfietKonstantinbut also wayland13:32
marxistveganSfietKonstantin: what do you mean?13:32
SfietKonstantinmarxistvegan: wayland isn't pretty stable on the N9 is it ?13:32
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marxistveganSfietKonstantin: I am not entirely sure, I think cause of the lack of a new kernel that the last stable version for the n9 is from january, I think the reason wayland does not run well is the kernel, but I am not hacking on it so I am likely speculating13:34
Sail0rhm how to compile buteo-sync-plugin-caldav13:34
Sail0rthere are no devel packages for these: http://fpaste.org/131503/10522141/13:35
SfietKonstantinmarxistvegan: ha maybe13:35
SfietKonstantinSail0r: how are you compiling it ?13:36
Sail0radded the project to the sailfish qt creator13:36
Sail0rand try to build it13:36
SfietKonstantinhum13:36
SfietKonstantinone sec13:36
Sail0rdeploy by building a rpm package13:36
sledgesmarxistvegan: nexus4 has rounded screen edges and you can also attempt to take a photo, but it has a lag bug for ~1min after wakeup. nexus5 instead has bluetooth working, and is actively maintained (no camera yet). so i can't compare the speedup newer hardware gives to n5, because sailfish is flying on both13:37
marxistvegansledges: really cool, that is good to know...and if I read correctly they will continue to be maintained as platforms for sailfish?13:37
sledgescommunity is amazing, did nearly all nexus5 work so far13:38
marxistvegansledges: sweet...I think next week I will try to get my hands on one13:39
sledgesyep, keep an eye on https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris13:39
SfietKonstantinSail0r: zypper in mkcal-qt5-devel buteo-syncfw-qt5-devel signon-plugin-oauth2-qt5-devel libsocialcache-devel13:39
SfietKonstantinsledges: you just found all the packages where pkgconfig don't match the name :D13:39
marxistvegansledges: bookmarked! thank you I was going to ask if there was a table of development13:39
marxistveganreally psyched on targeting existing hardware as an entry point to sailfish13:40
sledgesspread the good news marxistvegan , thanks!13:40
SfietKonstantinSail0r: what is interesting is that caldav plugin has a dep on socialcache13:40
SfietKonstantinOo13:40
Sail0rSfietKonstantin: ok only 2 missing libkcalcoren-qt5 and still socialcache13:40
SfietKonstantinlibsocialcache-devel don't provide it ?13:41
marxistvegansledges: am I correct in thinking that sailfishOS is floss but Jolla is not?13:41
SfietKonstantinSail0r: zypper se kcalcoren ?13:41
SfietKonstantinmarxistvegan: not exactly, nemo is oss13:41
SfietKonstantinsailfish includes jolla custom ui (not oss)13:42
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Sail0rhttp://fpaste.org/131504/14100109/13:42
marxistveganSfietKonstantin: ahh ok and is nemo development close and functional on the other devices?13:42
Sail0rok maybe libsocialcache is too old for this version13:43
SfietKonstantinmarxistvegan: not exactly13:44
SfietKonstantinthere are some ui work, but it is fully functional :(13:44
marxistveganSfietKonstantin: ok cool13:45
* marxistvegan is just really psyched to see the maemo/meego development continues on still misses his n900 13:46
coderusr0kk3rz: you can make dbus adaptor class, or just maek export objects Q_SCRIPTABLE and use QDBusConnection::ExportScriptableContents13:47
* marxistvegan notices the Galaxy Nexus is pretty far advanced on features with sailfishos13:53
sledgesthanks to its awesome maintainer;)13:53
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r0kk3rzcoderus: thanks I found that, got something working nicely now13:57
r0kk3rzmade an adaptor class, nicely seperates my base class from the dbus API13:58
r0kk3rzsince theres a lot of required methods/properties on this standard interface that my music player doesnt have yet13:58
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zGrrmoin :)14:05
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Aciiduh is there any speculation why sailfishos is not opensource14:15
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Stskeepsi'm sure there's a few theories but it comes down to industry understanding of that open sourcing = giving away assets.. it's always a tough balance when you're doing SW and having leverage14:17
Nicd-it is mostly open source14:17
AciidI for one would still keep buyin jolla for the hardware14:18
AciidI don't think its giving away assets. most of the features are pretty transparent, anyone could copy it.14:19
r0kk3rzits the same issue that android is facing14:19
r0kk3rzif full open source, then its easy to fork14:19
AciidI don't mind propertiary blobs here and there, if most of the code would be open14:20
StskeepsAciid: copying is easy, productization is hard14:20
Aciidlike modem blobs etc are usually "propertiary"14:20
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Aciidwell we are seeing that neo900 is still pushing, openmoko phones were just plain crap.14:21
AciidJolla has gone to the length to get TEKES funding and investors14:21
Aciidso with money pretty much everything can be solved right?14:21
Stskeepsmoney helps.14:21
Stskeepsdoesn't solve everything14:21
tbralso it's not just giving away assets, it's asserting and exercising control14:24
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Stskeepstbr: ugh, i just remembered i forgot to answer on tjc re silica14:25
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tbrStskeeps: :>14:25
Stskeepsfunny how the mind works..14:26
tbrStskeeps: while we're talking open sourcing, how about the messaging UI? there are people interested in adding features and contributing14:26
tbrtelepathy is a very powerful framework that wants to be used14:27
Stskeepswell i certainly can appreciate the idea of pluginability to it14:27
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tbrthere are all sorts of protocol features. "is typing", file sending, ...14:28
Stskeepsnod14:28
tbryou could even have screen sharing and joining Lync meetings (once that code is integrated)14:28
Aciidnative SIP and call it a day14:28
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Stskeepsthis needs cleaning..14:29
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tbrAciid: that's already there14:31
tbrAciid: it would need some integration work by jolla engineers, who promised to help and I offered them test accounts and help. As of yet there is nothing.14:31
tbrwell nothing, the state of things is on TJC14:32
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tbrAciid: this is now a case where the community has actually done quite some work (as requested by jolla), but things are stalling as jolla and its engineers are busy with something else.14:35
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Aciidy, I think once the company gets a stable position in a few years we can actuall expect true opensource14:38
Aciidnow its just a marketing term and I feel that im being cheated14:38
tbrwell at least the "truly open" seems gone from marketing14:40
SpeedEvilOpensource doesn't have to win.14:40
SpeedEvilDon't expect that it will automatically do so.14:40
r0kk3rzuntil theres a reasonable size ecosystem worth being compatible with14:41
SpeedEvilIndeed.14:41
SpeedEvilFor linux that is the case.14:41
Stskeepsironically android started out as quite open source and is now closing..14:41
SpeedEvilFor phones - not so much.14:41
r0kk3rzthere would be nothing stopping say samsung, forking sailfish and producing their own incompatible version14:41
tbrStskeeps: might want to kick your fakebook handlers though, says truly open still there14:41
r0kk3rzthats a big risk for jolla14:41
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Stskeepstbr: hmm i guess that goes to cybette's desk14:41
r0kk3rzthey may make tizen phones anyway, but at least they arent using jollas own effort to that end14:42
SpeedEvilDon't forget the new watch.14:42
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HBP_r0kk3rz: yeah so better to lose the game than give away open source to them :]14:44
zGrrDo you know of any opensource company that lost the business because someone forked their project?14:45
zGrrI cannot recall any.14:45
HBP_it's sad that most of the business world is only interested in open source if no one else can benefit or if someone else is paying the job14:45
tbrzGrr: that's hard to say14:45
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r0kk3rzandroid14:45
Stskeepsjust recall that it depends on the field.. if the world is hungering for an alternative to let's say, android or ios, somebody with a lot of muscle can do a lot of damage against a smaller player.14:45
SpeedEvilIt also depends if the definition expands to include copies.14:46
r0kk3rzamazon forked android, china has forked android14:46
Stskeepsby taking over the agenda14:46
tbrzGrr: there are some unclear cases where companies wanted either to take a project or the name into a direction where the community disagreed14:46
r0kk3rztheres lost business14:46
zGrrr0kk3rz: you mean google?14:46
r0kk3rzmore or less14:46
zGrrwhy projects go opensource in the first place?14:46
HBP_well monty program is hardly making any money :)14:47
r0kk3rzcommunity involement14:47
zGrrI spoke to the head of one successful opensource project and he had different reasoning.14:47
zGrrhe said, he have chosen opensource because of intelectual property protection.14:47
tbrit all depends on your business model14:47
SpeedEvilThere is a difference between one, or even several people opensource projects, and ones where you have dozens of employees working on something.14:48
r0kk3rzwell if your strategy is making money of support ie redhat, then you dont care that centos exist14:48
zGrrWhe it comes to intelectual property protection there is NONE.14:48
zGrrHe could had all the patents and everything.14:48
zGrrIt wouldn't help14:48
r0kk3rzit would14:49
zGrrBig corpo would have taken him to the court.14:49
zGrrHe would have won.14:49
r0kk3rzas by patenting something, you 'open source' the design14:49
zGrrand lost everything.14:49
r0kk3rzas part of the patent process14:49
zGrrthey would have dragged him through the courts until he lost most of his money.14:49
zGrrWhen you opensource you have community protection.14:50
zGrrOf course everyone can fork your project.14:50
SpeedEvilzGrr: Only to the limited extent that the community can fund your legal fund14:50
zGrrBut why would have done that if they can have your support?14:51
zGrrAt least that was his reasoning.14:51
zGrrIt's a question of good marketing yourself as a successful project leader.14:51
zGrrAnd most of the work is done by the paid employees.14:52
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Stskeepsnot to mention sustainability..14:53
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zGrrits a dificult one for any project. fully commercial too.14:54
Stskeepskeeping paychecks coming to your workers is also a challenge14:54
Stskeepsor being able afford things outside your core business14:54
zGrrHis model is primarily selling support contracts, I think.14:56
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zGrrHe said he has most troubles with selling contracts to big corporations.14:56
HBP_I don't care if companies use GPL or BSD or whatever code but in case of GPL many companies try to just take the benefits and make their own rules about how they don't have to contribute because of the company bureaucracy14:56
HBP_In the other hand if you use BSD code no one is expecting anything in return14:57
zGrrMedium and small businesses don't have as much trouble with paying him many as big business.14:57
Stskeepsat least for anything non-ui we have a default 'this goes to oss'.. (some exceptions exist, but golden rule..)14:57
Stskeepsso no red tape excuses14:57
HBP_and what pisses me off is that these companies are talking about how they use OSS and linux in their products but forgots to mention that they are not contributing at all14:59
zGrrWhere I work, they hate opensource and the only thing they hate more than using opensource is paying for opensource.14:59
zGrrBastards.14:59
HBP_of cource it's easy to make business from something you don't pay for :P15:00
zGrrFscking parasites.15:00
zGrrI used to work for small company.15:00
SpeedEvilusing opensource publically is also contributing15:01
zGrrWe were paying for support.15:01
zGrrNot only because we wanted to support them.15:01
zGrrBut also, because the support was REAL.15:01
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zGrrUnlike most commercial support.15:01
SpeedEvilA primary motivation for many non-paid oss coders is that actual users of their code exist.15:01
SpeedEvilIf there are 2 users of a project, that's not a motivation15:02
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HBP_SpeedEvil: yeah but I meant more like those cases where the code is actually modified but no contribution is made. Well personally I like more the BSD style licensing but still.15:06
SpeedEvilThey can do that - if the code is not distributed15:07
SpeedEvilit is of course unfortunate.15:07
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M4rtinKAnyone else on the KDE Akademy conference ? :)15:51
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zGrrDoes the onscreen keyboard still show up when you connect an external keyboard to your Jolla (BT or USB)?16:06
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r0kk3rzzGrr afaik yes16:10
r0kk3rzat least it does with the tohkeyboard16:10
zGrrDamn. Just like N9.16:10
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tbron the N9 you could always fake the keyboard presence of the N95016:11
tbrand it would hide it16:11
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tbror you could make a custom layout that is only the bottom bar16:12
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r0kk3rzim sure they will have an update that will allow it t be hid16:49
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coderusis there usb-moded config to GET internet from rndis0?17:40
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coderusmeans i have no gprs and wifi coverage, but have laptop and cable internet, want to share interner from laptop's usb0 to Jolla rndis0 and make all applications happy17:42
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locusf_coderus: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Nemo/USBNetworking17:50
r0kk3rzcoderus: p2p wifi and bridge the LAN connection17:52
tortoisedoccoderus : wlan of jolla via tethering not working?17:52
tbrtortoisedoc: he's looking for the reverse17:55
* lbt_ ponders the best way to pass a rich "event" from c++ to QML17:57
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Nicd-what kind of "event"?17:57
tortoisedocaaah17:57
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tbra party thrown by a billionaire17:57
tbrthat's a rich event ;)17:57
tortoisedoclbt:_ : define rich?17:57
tortoisedoclbt : define rich?17:57
lbthaha ... an actual network event with 4 values17:57
lbtlessee17:58
Nicd-lbt: from a QTcpSocket?17:58
tortoisedoclbt : Q_INVOKABLE?17:58
lbtgah my network is dead17:58
lbttrying to pastie17:58
lbtso I wrote this nice SSE monitor17:59
lbtserver side events17:59
lbtessentially you get some json data come in and parse it17:59
aard_lbt: you create a file with the data, create another file with a filename watched by qml containing this files filename to notify it that there are data, and start a file watcher for a 3rd file which qml side creates once it read the data17:59
lbtthen raise a signal in Qt17:59
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Nicd-aard_: wat17:59
lbtaard_: hey, that sounds doable17:59
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lbtI should store it on NFS too - for safety18:00
tortoisedoclbt: expose qtcpsocket to qml+18:00
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aard_one day I should make a bunch of easy to use codesnippets for that kind of problems, and make sure they're easily found by people searching for it18:01
Nicd-or write your own light "parser" in the middle which gives the JSON as a string to the QML side18:01
lbtffs - I can't even see github18:01
tortoisedoclbt : it's y00r pc18:01
tortoisedocwinz0r18:01
lbthttps://gist.github.com/lbt/64b45eb7af60d94e90a318:02
lbtthen :   SSEvent* ev = new SSEvent(m_ev_type, m_ev_data, origin, m_lastEventId);  emit event(ev);18:03
Nicd-you can register it as a QML datatype18:04
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lbtbut I can't make SSEvent a QObject since it then won't get delete'd18:04
lbtI need to pass by value18:05
tortoisedoclbt : use deleteLater, that should ensure it getting busted18:05
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lbttortoisedoc: you can't do that safely18:05
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lbtit will be deleted at the next Qt core loop18:05
lbtand your QML may keep it around18:06
Nicd-if you want to pass by value, then use a QVariantMap instead of your own datatype18:06
tortoisedoclbt : make a factory and expose that to qml18:06
Nicd-put your stuff there and give it to QML18:06
lbtNicd-: ok18:06
Nicd-as a bonus it will automatically be transformed into a javascript dictionary18:06
lbtNicd-: that sounds more like it18:06
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lbttortoisedoc: I wondered about that whole side but it's kinda ugly18:06
lbtI seriously thought about passing json but... srsly!18:07
lbtNicd-'s solution sounds sensible18:07
Nicd-in weecrapp I parse weechat's protocol into a bunch of QVariants, QVariantMaps and QVariantLists18:08
tortoisedocyea a qvariantmap is probably the easiest thing18:08
Nicd-then everything get magically transformed into the appropriate QML datatypes18:08
tortoisedocNicd-: weecrap?18:08
r0kk3rzit is fairly magic18:08
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Nicd-tortoisedoc: weechat relay app18:08
r0kk3rzim using a qvariantmap for a dbus string array18:08
tortoisedocqvariantmap sounds so m$18:09
tortoisedoc:|18:09
lbthaha18:09
tortoisedoclike vbasic time type of thing18:09
r0kk3rznah its got q in front of it18:09
lbtit feels like it's a struct mapping - which is what I want... struct -> javascript18:09
tortoisedoc:D18:10
r0kk3rzdefinitely not a vbasic thing18:10
lbtyah ... queues are good18:10
Nicd-I tried doing my own thing too, creating my own classes and stuff. in the end realized QVariant is the way to avoid unnecessary pain18:11
lbtaard_: snippet this ^^ :D18:11
r0kk3rzthat is the worst, doing it the hard way then realising theres an easy way18:11
lbtr0kk3rz: nah ... you learn shitloads18:12
tortoisedocyeah, that's the qt way18:12
tortoisedocyou think you need new stuff, until you realize someone smarter has done it in a better way already :D18:12
tortoisedoci love qt18:12
tortoisedocits awesome18:12
tortoisedocis the old trolltech still involved in the development btw?18:13
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lbtanyhow - thanks for the advice - I'll go play with QVariantMaps :D18:16
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ShinryuuAnyone familiar wirh the shutdown problems? If so, are they more hardware related issues?18:40
Shinryuuwith* damn typing on this phone is not my thing..18:40
lbtShinryuu: there's a fair bit on tjc18:40
lbthaha18:40
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Shinryuutjc?18:41
Shinryuuahh... together jolla18:42
ShinryuuI'll try to harass my little brother because he has those issues18:43
lbtI was just trying to find a link18:44
coderuslocusf_: yes i know, i'm looking for more simplified solution like "press a button" :D18:44
coderusalso last time i tried it some apps still asking for connectin and "Select connection" dialog pops up18:45
Shinryuulbt: sure18:45
lbtShinryuu: tbh it's not something I've dealt with (or seen) but I know there are some discussions about it18:46
Shinryuuyeah, I remember something about puttin paper in etc.18:47
Stskeepstalk to care if you have shutdown problems18:47
ShinryuuThat might be the best choice, also he has a broken screen which he accidentally caused so I think he'll need to pay for that if he wants the screen fixed18:53
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StskeepsShinryuu: well, have a chat with care@ about it at least..18:54
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Stskeepswe employ humans, so it's always possible to talk..18:55
ShinryuuI'll push my brother to do so18:55
Shinryuualso, thanks18:55
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peppelakappabooster [qt5] sucking 100% alone... normal?22:46
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coderuspeppelakappa: normal if launching apps only22:53
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peppelakappamh, while taking a look at htop, seems related to mitakuuluu22:53
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peppelakappacoderus: I've deleted some of my conversations, rebooted the mitakuuluu server and now neither booster or mitakuuluu-server are eating cpu cycles22:57
coderusthat sucks22:58
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