Tuesday, 2014-09-16

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ryukafalzOdd, my messaging app just got into a bit of a strange state...01:48
ryukafalzpresence showed me as offline, but I was in fact online and could receive messages, which mc-tool confirmed01:48
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stephgmorning guys06:37
stephgryukafalz: think that's a known thing, happens to me quite alot06:37
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tortoisedocr0kk3rz : valar updoris :D09:05
kimmoliWhat else ON/OFF things could be controlled by dipswitches? (diptoh) > http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1439380&postcount=7809:06
tortoisedoc(meaning all  jollas must update)09:06
tortoisedockimmoli : wuz a dipswitch09:06
kimmolidat oldskool way of setting things ?09:06
r0kk3rznot yet :(09:07
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r0kk3rzim sure the jolla update servers are getting hammered by everyone checking09:07
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r0kk3rzkimmoli: i dont really get the point of dipswitches to control things that are ultimately controlled by software anyway09:11
kimmolir0kk3rz: i can't help on that09:12
phlixir0kk3rz: but you use the volume rocker, right?09:12
r0kk3rzit would be good to bake into the original design of the phone09:12
r0kk3rzlike a lot of laptops have a wireless switch09:12
r0kk3rzthat actually physically disconnects the wireless09:13
kimmolimost of them just signal SW to switchoff09:13
r0kk3rznot the ones we had at work, its a DOD requirement or something09:14
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tortoisedockimmoli : sw switches are way better than dipswitches09:15
r0kk3rzphlixi: yeah but they're buttons, id use media buttons as well if I had them09:15
phlixii guess you could use a switch also as a button09:16
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phlixiits just a switch could do more than a button09:16
* zGrr is badly missing pgup/pgdown buttons in phones, tablets and bookreaders.09:17
r0kk3rzcould also be an idea to incorporate dip switches into a sensor toh, to disable sensors so they dont draw power09:17
kimmolithat is called "powerswitch" :)09:17
kimmolibut you can do that through sw/app also, i2c controlled powerswitch09:17
r0kk3rzbut i meant say you have a toh with multiple extra sensors, and you wanted to switch off some but not all09:18
r0kk3rzcould probably put the sensors to idle from software, but not full disconnect09:18
kimmolibut you can use e.g. gpio-expander (as in diptoh) and high-side switch09:19
kimmolior power them directly from GPIO if the are low-power enough, say <10mA09:19
kimmoliwhich is a-lot when speaking about low-power09:19
kimmolijollas gpio/int pin can be used without VDD on, so mechanical switch can be used to make interrupt, and then wakeup VDD (other stuff on TOH)09:20
r0kk3rzah yeah thats cool09:20
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r0kk3rzi guess for diptoh, just build the hardware and let people hack them for their own purposes09:21
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kimmoliyes, current daemon just runs dip1on, dip1off scripts when switch is toggled.09:22
r0kk3rzor write base interface for software developers09:22
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kimmolithat can be found here https://github.com/kimmoli/diptoh-daemon09:23
r0kk3rzyeah more flexible the better09:25
r0kk3rzthen other people can come up with diptoh modules for specific tasks09:26
r0kk3rzwhich individuals can set how they want09:26
kimmolithat was the idea, no need to rebuild daemon if changing functions.09:29
kimmolijust provide some defaults/examples09:30
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r0kk3rzyeah true09:39
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stephgrandom question should anyone know here (unrelated to anything): where do linux capabilities get 'set' in the kernel?10:29
stephgi.e. how do I persist them10:29
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r0kk3rzusually you just call modprobe in a script that happens on boot10:36
r0kk3rzsystemd might have its own method to enable kernel modules on boot i guess10:37
r0kk3rzlooks like on jolla you create a conf file in /etc/modprobe.d10:39
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stephghm, don't think capabilities(7) get set there10:46
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r0kk3rzstephg: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/5737 ??10:49
r0kk3rznot sure if that helps, ive never done anything with kernel capabillities10:49
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stephgr0kk3rz: that's getting closer, ta10:54
r0kk3rzits a pretty old post, so things may have moved on a little from then10:54
stephgyeah, lcap doesn't exist any more for one :)10:55
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HartziHey, does anyone have idea what's this about: http://pastebin.com/S6F2wke9 I tried to start my app from sdk on jolla but it doesn't work :/ It used to work some time ago10:58
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antoniolatianohello everyone10:59
m4g0ghow to check in qmake that 2 options is not empty?10:59
m4g0g!isEmpty(First)... !isEmpty(Second)11:00
Merbotm4g0g: Error: "isEmpty(First)..." is not a valid command.11:00
DevBot`m4g0g: Error: "isEmpty(First)..." is not a valid command.11:00
m4g0g !isEmpty(First)... !isEmpty(Second)11:00
antoniolatianosledges i have to talk with you about the early adopters images of salfish os for nexus 411:01
antoniolatianoi can?11:01
sledgesantoniolatiano: hi, yes in #sailfishos-porters11:02
antoniolatianono i only want to notify you to cancel my email because i have broke my nexus :-(11:05
antoniolatianoi need to talk with the guys in #sailfish-porters?11:06
antoniolatianosorry for my english11:06
sledgessorry to hear, will take you off the list11:07
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antoniolatianook thank you, you need my email or you can find me by username?11:08
sledgesi'll find by username11:08
antoniolatianothank you, when sailfish will be available for Lg G3 (bootloader allowing) will be the first thing i do11:10
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ryukafalzstephg: Hmm, I hope it's a known thing, as I have no clue how to reproduce it at the moment.11:56
ryukafalzIf I filed a bug report it wouldn't be very helpful I'd imagine :<11:57
stephgpretty sure it's in tjc11:57
stephgI have it where it flatly refuses (or appears to refuse) to say, sign into gtalk when it's online with FB11:57
ryukafalzah, that's not quite my issue12:01
ryukafalzI only have one account currently12:01
ryukafalzand it says it's offline for that account in the UI but in reality it's not12:01
stephgI'd not looked with mc-tool to see the state last time it did it, I'll look next time12:02
stephgryukafalz: what transport is that account?12:03
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Sail0rr0kk3rz: I don't know why but it still does not build in my env12:38
r0kk3rzdid i break the git again...12:39
r0kk3rzbecause i'm running the current build on my phone now12:39
Sail0rI just did a clean repo init ^^12:39
Sail0rlet's try it with this12:39
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r0kk3rzgits not showing any uncommitted changes12:41
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r0kk3rzthe line its complaining about looks fine through the gitexplorer12:46
r0kk3rzrebuilt on my local env fine12:46
r0kk3rzbuilding as debug?12:47
r0kk3rzyeah i get that error when building as release, might have to sort that out at some stage12:48
r0kk3rzbut should build as debug12:48
Sail0rI tried it as release12:52
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Sail0rit's working really good :)12:58
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Sail0rcan see the playing song on my pebble12:58
Sail0rforward backward from pebble12:59
Sail0rand pause12:59
Sail0ris there planned to have the currently playing song on the cover or the album art?13:00
r0kk3rzniiice, this is what i was hoping13:00
r0kk3rznot sure what to do with the cover page yet13:01
r0kk3rzits small, to its hard to fit long track names13:01
r0kk3rzthe implementation in the stock player is useless, you get like half a word13:01
r0kk3rzunless i code something to scroll the track name, because there's no current way to do that13:02
Sail0rdo you know if it'13:02
tadzikhmm, I usually see just enough to know what song it means13:02
Sail0rs possible to control the loudness via the player?13:02
tadzikdoesn't bother me too much13:02
r0kk3rzneed to look into controlling the volume13:03
r0kk3rza lot of the dbus methods are empty13:03
r0kk3rzjust there because the standard requires it, and so nothing pops13:03
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r0kk3rzbut if basic player controls work, that means ive done something right13:06
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Sail0rand even if I switch the songs very fast everything keeps updating and works :)13:08
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r0kk3rzeven better13:10
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r0kk3rztheres a couple of hacks in there i need to fix, but good to know that they arent impacting performance in any noticable way13:11
r0kk3rztracker queries seem to be fast on the jolla anyway13:11
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r0kk3rzthanks for being a pioneer Sail0r :)13:14
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Sail0rno problem. :) I really like being pioneer if it adds functionality ;)13:19
r0kk3rzyeah well it does help if people let me know the kinds of things they want13:22
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Sail0rit's so cool to have that function I am really happy at the moment *g*13:25
Sail0ras jolla does not have next song via holding down/up volume. it really is great to have control over songs via pebble :)13:27
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Sail0rand I can get rid of Quasarmx which looks ugly on jolla13:27
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r0kk3rzi looked at adding that, the volume button thing13:28
Sail0rnice :)13:28
r0kk3rzbut since its handled by the system, im not sure its even exposed to apps at all13:28
r0kk3rzthe qt.key bindings didnt do anything anyway13:29
Sail0rhm no dbus event when pressing the keys :-/13:29
r0kk3rzyeah, not sure its possible13:30
r0kk3rzprobably better off getting earphones with media buttons anyway13:30
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ruskiehttp://linuxgizmos.com/digia-spins-off-qt-as-subsidiary/ <-- I assume ppl know this16:05
tbryeah, that was a while ago16:07
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r0kk3rzi made an app icon, and its not even completely terrible16:58
borceanr0kk3rz: Nice! Care to share? :)16:58
stephg\o/ hot water again!16:58
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r0kk3rzthe icon is on the description, not the RPM yet https://openrepos.net/content/r0kk3rz/sirensong-music-player16:59
stephgdownloading now...17:00
borceanOoh :) I like it, very clean design17:00
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r0kk3rzyeah, i'll have to upload the new RPM which has a couple of new features as well17:00
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stephgr0kk3rz: is your source open (will it be?)17:02
r0kk3rzyeah its all on github17:02
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r0kk3rzlink is there in the openrepos description17:03
stephgoh so it is, sorry only just gone to the warehouse page now17:03
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r0kk3rzbut yeah, not too bad for a non graphic designer17:05
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r0kk3rzopenrepos RPM updated17:16
Sail0rr0kk3rz: i can't stop listen to music because of pebble support ;)17:17
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Sail0rI already got two other pebble users to use your music player :)17:18
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Sail0rI really like the idea of the ui with the people app in mind17:20
Sail0rI can get to the songs I like really fast17:20
r0kk3rzthat was one of the main reasons for writing my own music player17:21
r0kk3rzthe Jolla implementation is impossible17:21
r0kk3rzpick a song from an artist that starts with M with a medium size collection, be prepared to spend 5min looking for it17:21
Sail0rI have to test what happens when connecting Jolla to my car and using your player ;). The Jolla player itself does not show any songs. But I really don't know how cars do display the songs17:22
r0kk3rzthat and I wanted random queuing, rather than shuffle all17:22
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Sail0rthanking to your player I now have a "find my jolla" function via pebble *g* just start playing music and somewhere jolla plays ;)17:24
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kimmoliuse white-noise track, it is really easy to locate17:26
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kimmoliäh, coreutils doesn't provide runuser (?)17:47
kimmoliaa, nevermind17:49
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r0kk3rzpassword incorrect, please try again17:50
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kimmolicould try root or uClinux or admin or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6iW-8xPw3k17:58
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stephg(same combination as my luggage)18:01
M4rtinKit is "swordfish", right ?18:01
raa700stephg: who told you my PIN code?18:02
stephgI blame kimmoli18:02
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M4rtinKpassword sniffing TOH :D18:16
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kimmolisniftoh http://www.seeedstudio.com/depot/Grove-Gas-SensorMQ2-p-937.html18:17
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Armadilloany guess what's the better method for translations use a default language string in the translation function like this: qsTr("my new application") or to use identifier-keywords like qsTr("@appdescription@")?18:38
ArmadilloI saw both in some applications and I'm using the first one currently18:38
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Armadillothe second one will get into trouble if you try injecting variables into it maybe and on the QT documentation there is also used the default language18:39
Armadillobut which method is the better one in practice?18:39
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r0kk3rzthe identifier keywords allow you to set what it translates to19:27
r0kk3rzwhere as just putting in the string only allows it to be automatic19:27
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Acceallows to set what it translates to = you can use the .args given with %n from qtlinquist?20:07
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r0kk3rznot sure exactly20:23
r0kk3rzbut probably something like that20:23
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