Wednesday, 2014-11-19

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Juuba5 minutes to Jolla presentation at Slush08:31
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Mirv0 mins08:33
Juubawhat is this!08:34
JuubaAHEAD of the schedule!08:34
Juubathat comment thread = pure gold as usual08:35
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timophblocked the ninchat thing08:40
Armadillosame here :)08:40
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Armadillodisplay: none; xD08:41
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cos-ok, a tablet08:52
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RzRcos-: 2d one in 2 days08:54
cos-they all look the same, only the software matters08:55
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Siddewhen is sailfish 2.0 due?08:55
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RzRcos-: jolla is not mentionning about gpu08:59
pp_smells like Z356009:03
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zGrrmoin :)09:08
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SK_workRzR: on #JollaMobile tigeli said it is some intel GPU09:12
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RzRSK_work: yea as said on the website09:20
SK_workI'm missing so much info from this website :/ at first I thought dual core intel09:22
SK_workthen didn't see GPU09:22
RzRsorry I misrread you09:22
RzRI read CPU09:22
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MonkZhiho where can i download the sources for SailfishOS? aka not Mer/Nemo09:25
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tbrMonkZ: not all of it is open source. if you want to port it to a new device, I'd recommend looking at the HADK09:26
tbrMonkZ: #sailfishos-porters channel can help you with that09:26
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MonkZno i want to seek for bugs and like to provide patches09:27
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SK_workMonkZ: well, at best you can do it for community09:28
MonkZtbr: but in their last mail was "All of our customers can have their say on the direction of our products  and because Sailfish OS is open source, you can change whatever you  want, whenever you want."09:28
SK_workas there is no official channel09:28
tbrMonkZ: is that verbatim from that email? if so then they should give a stern talking to someone in marketing...09:29
Acce20 when I looked.. now 409 when I contributed09:30
Accenice speed09:30
tbrStskeeps: cybette - rough up your marketing, they are spreading lies again.09:30
tbrMonkZ: the source dump of pretty much everything open source is on my server if you want to have a look09:30
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tbrMonkZ: contributions to most of that go through Mer and Nemo09:31
tbroh, it was in _today's_ marketing mail...09:32
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tbrMonkZ: if you find something where there is no public upstream, then contacting Stskeeps as the first step is a good choice09:33
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tbrMonkZ: you'll see the origin of most of those in a _source file as git URLs09:34
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tbrfaenil: did you get my email?09:36
faeniltbr: yeah thanks a lot buddy09:36
* tbr had already slumbered off09:36
faenilwas quite nervous for the adsl issues and forgot to reply :)09:36
MonkZhm i hope the proprietary source model of sailfishOS will change in the future09:37
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arwill sailfish2 come to jolla phones?09:40
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cos-i'm pretty sure 99% of the code will be same on phone & tablet09:41
lbttbr: I already started on the marketing people09:41
tbrlbt: thanks09:41
lbtI think they may get a new rule - techs must preview *any* sentence which uses the word open or source!09:41
tbrMonkZ: a lot of stuff is getting open sourced over time09:42
* faenil heard this last year already, do you have a dejavu as well tbr ?09:42
tbrfaenil: well yeah, we had the whole "truly open" bullshit story...09:42
faeniland it was said that tech people should review marketing stuff :D09:42
lbtfaenil: its things like the "only sent when the timer runs out" email wording09:43
lbtwe never saw that to proof read09:43
lbteverything else - yes - look at the nemo logo on the page :)09:43
MonkZtbr: hope so. i can understand the proprietary character of the alienvm. but i bought my jolla phone BECAUSE of the "truly open" statement09:44
faenillbt: cool, yes I saw it and smiled ;)09:44
lbtand mer <proud>09:44
tbrMonkZ: *nod*09:45
lbtMonkZ: well it's 2 words - I agree they're wrong. OTOH even the FSF laptop has closed bits09:46
tbrMonkZ: you're welcome to come to the next community meeting and help keep the pressure for open sourcing components up09:46
lbtand I'm not going to defend the closed bits in sfos again :)09:46
lbtpositive and supportive pressure is doing the job09:46
* tbr really wants to see the message UI open09:47
tbrmulti user chat and stuff09:47
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* SK_work_ want some core apps to be opened (media player, gallery etc.)09:52
MonkZfor instance i want to turn the labels on the lockscreen upside down (clock on top of the screen) - so i pull my phone just a little bit out of my smartphone case, switch the display on and see the current time (not my Provider - because i already know that)09:53
* lbt wonders if the lipstick QML is exposed anyhow09:53
SK_work_cos-: some tablet UI code so basically a bit of qml09:53
SK_work_lbt: thanks lbt (abotu marketing :))09:54
lbtSK_work_: we try ... really we do!09:54
* Armadillo wants APIs for calendar,contacs,...09:54
MonkZArmadillo: true dat09:54
SK_work_lbt: I can understand09:54
SK_work_lbt: lipstick qml is exposed09:55
SK_work_and I have a pleasure putting patches on it :)09:55
SK_work_Armadillo: you have those09:55
SK_work_but you need privileged09:55
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lbtMonkZ: ^^^ talk to SK_work_ about moving the clock :)09:56
* lbt really ought to hack more *g*09:57
SK_work_moving clock ?09:57
MonkZSK_work_: mirror the lockscreen horizontally09:58
MonkZ(maybe via preferences)09:58
SK_work_put time on top ?09:58
SK_work_how can you read time when "peeking" ?09:58
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MonkZjep, i have a pully case09:59
SK_work_MonkZ: ha09:59
SK_work_it shouldn't be hard09:59
SK_work_MonkZ: know "patch" and "diff"10:00
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SK_work_and patch files ?10:00
SK_work_read this then:
SK_work_ok, it is not the official branch, (bundyo's fork)10:00
SK_work_please submit to official branch :)10:00
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MonkZso if i lift the phone a little bit, and switch it on, it shows me information about my provider (which did not change often)10:01
MonkZSK_work: okay thx10:01
ArmadilloI'd also appreciate this :)10:01
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SK_workMonkZ: search in openrepos patchmanager10:02
SK_workalso a thread in TMO10:02
MonkZhave to go now. lecture begins10:02
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Armadilloany guesses for the 2.0 roadmap besides the UI changes seen on the tablet page?10:04
SK_workArmadillo: community meeting?10:05
lbtArmadillo: watch git ? :D10:05
Armadillolbt :P10:05
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ArmadilloSK_work not a bad idea10:05
SK_workArmadillo: adding it10:05
dr_gogeta86SK_work, How unlimited multitask will look like on tablet ? :-D10:07
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SK_workdr_gogeta86: :D10:09
zGrrI might actually want to buy a tablet.10:09
zGrrMy first tablet ... since N810. :)10:10
Armadillowhat do you do with your tablets?10:10
FryeOooo I still remember my N81010:10
ArmadilloSometimes I'm considering to buy one, but it can#t figure out what to do with it :D10:11
FryeWe used to play Sctarcontrol II duels over wifi with those during coffee breaks :-)10:11
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FryeAnd then they let something like Apple steal the tablet market...10:11
zGrrWhat? Sold out already?!10:12
zGrrApple didn't steal the market, Apple entered the market.10:12
dr_gogeta86iekku, sorry if i bother you10:13
SK_worktbr: added open source and SailfishOS in the agenda meeting too10:13
zGrrNokia mgmt was too stupid to keep up.10:13
Fryeexactly what I ment.10:13
tbrSK_work: :)10:13
FryeManagement let it happen.10:13
zGrrBut why Jolla tablet preorders are sold out already?10:15
zGrrThis seems silly or it's just me not able to understand reasoning.10:15
pp_750 still left10:16
zGrrJolla tablet specs is perfectly matching Tesco Huddle 2...10:17
pp_I'd guess they'll let you preorder afterwards, but may not want to have exact sales numbers public10:17
zGrr... same hardware I suppose.10:17
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zGrrYou mean on that Indiegogo page?10:20
pp_as in sell 2000 quickly, then sell 0-10000 without disclosing how many :-)10:21
zGrr$199 is not bad.10:22
zGrrOk. I go for it.10:23
zGrrI hope it is going to be a little more open than Jolla phone.10:25
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Armadillowell their marketing told us that everything is totally open source, so let's see what happens with SailfishOS 2.0 :P10:28
dr_gogeta86I did contribution twice for wrong if not jolla nor indiegogo refund me10:28
dr_gogeta86i got a spare $199 slot10:29
lbtArmadillo: it's not totally open source10:31
lbtdon't want to mislead you - sorry that email wasn't proof-read better10:31
zGrrBy contribution it means they are going to actually send the tablet, won't they? :)10:32
lbtah dr_gogeta86's issue - I'm sure we'll sort that out somehow10:32
dr_gogeta86i hope10:32
zGrrSo do I :)10:33
dr_gogeta86I was one of first oners ... I wanna to be also for this ... :-D10:33
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zGrrI didn't buy Jolla phone, because it has too many limitations. But I need the tablet.10:41
zGrrI can wait until May.10:41
SK_workzGrr: :D10:44
cos-i've never had any need for tablet, but bought this one just for support10:46
dr_gogeta86someone buyed the double perk10:46
dr_gogeta86so thank you guys10:46
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Nicd-what double perk?10:47
dr_gogeta86double contribution10:47
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ArmadilloI'm curious how they'll make it possible to test different devices in the SDK10:48
Armadilloa question for the QA in the meeting10:49
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SK_workArmadillo: add it in the wiki on tjc ?10:50
Armadillois it worth to be an extra point?10:51
Armadilloor just in the text of the other ones?10:51
SK_workArmadillo: it is more SDK10:51
SK_workextra point10:51
Armadilloadding it10:51
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Armadillowhat's the date for the next meeting?10:59
Armadilloon TJC there's still november 4th mentioned11:00
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SK_workArmadillo: I guess we need cybette back11:09
SK_worksoon I gues11:09
SK_workshe should be at shush atm11:09
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coderusSailfish.Media MediaKey { onRepeat: { something } } not working?11:19
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iekkudr_gogeta86, ?11:21
dr_gogeta86iekku, sorry to bother you on twitter but i've found a kind person who bought my $199 donation11:21
dr_gogeta86I've created a jolla addicted two weeks ago the phone now also the tablet :-D11:22
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iekkudr_gogeta86, :D sorry for not able to help you11:24
dr_gogeta86iekku, the problem was solved by itself11:24
dr_gogeta86but now i need to donate 20$ twice ?11:24
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dr_gogeta86also here11:41
entil"In less than 24 hours Jolla has already reached 100% of its $380,000 target."11:42
entilisn't it more like "less than 2 hours"11:42
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edubaiHi everyone, am new here... can I load sailfishes on my galaxy s5 ?11:46
Nicd-edubai: might want to check #sailfishos-porters (I think that was the name). here's also a list of devices and their current statuses:
Nicd-dunno if anyone's working on an S5 port11:48
edubaiNicd-: thanks11:48
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coderuscan i get Sailfish 2.0 for my Jolla please?12:30
stephgI guess the emulator is going to be interesting in the coming months :)12:31
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stephgand the store, with dual arch packages and such12:31
ArmadilloI already a relating question for the community meeting12:31
SK_Sailfish_dual arch12:32
SK_Sailfish_yep, that's a pb12:32
Armadillowhat's a pb? :)12:33
SK_Sailfish_dual arch12:34
faenilsurely not a playbook, I'd guess a problem12:34
SK_Sailfish_hum ?12:34
faenilSK_Sailfish_: he wanted to know what "pb" stood for12:34
SK_Sailfish_ah :D12:35
SK_Sailfish_yep, problem12:35
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Armadilloalright, never heard this abbreviation before, thanks ;)12:37
Nicd-SK_Sailfish_: is it a problem? just compile fat packages12:38
SK_Sailfish_Nicd-: well devs need to recompile12:38
Nicd-they need to recompile anyway with changes coming to the OS I guess12:39
SK_Sailfish_Nicd-: well is compatible atm12:39
Nicd-I don't think it will be forever12:39
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Q-workhi all12:40
Q-workcongrats on the indiegogo campaign :)12:40
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Q-workI also committed for the second 1000. And I had a question regarding the OS. On wiki I read "Sailfish is a mobile operating system combining the Linux kernel with mer and proprietary software written by Jolla."12:41
Q-workand I'm wondering what "proprietary" bits there exactly are12:41
Nicd-there was a list of that somewhere12:42
Nicd-but afaik the UI bits and apps mostly. and of course low level drivers that come from the hw manufacturer12:42
Q-workUI meaning the launcher I presume?12:44
Q-workin Android lingo anyway12:44
Nicd-and the C++ side of the UI Qt components12:46
Q-workhmm, that's a bit of a shame12:48
Q-workbut ok12:48
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Q-workmarinaio: thank you12:52
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Siddei don't really understand why their own apps are closed, like the calculator13:04
Siddewhat's the point with that, the QML is still readable for example13:05
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SK_workSidde: for some stuff, like silica, it is normal, as you have designer setc.13:16
SK_workso designers design the tablet ui for ex13:16
SK_workand developers develop the feature before it is publised13:16
SK_workno need to explain everything to other contributors (with roadmaps, etc.)13:16
SK_workbit of control for them13:16
SK_workfor calculator ... well13:16
Siddesure. but do that with the few that you might have something to "hide" then13:17
Siddedefault should be open for those applications13:17
Siddeother developers can then use the code for inspiration or help13:17
Siddeit's so much easier to get going if you have lots of examples. And right now there are pretty few examples on how to use silica out there13:18
SK_workSidde: well, devs know that they have to read QML code on their devices ;)13:20
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SiddeSK_work: if you broadcast to people that you are open source, or atleast use open source to a greater extent. Then i atleast thinks that then use closed only when needed13:22
SK_workSidde: hum ?13:22
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nimmersattdo i want the jolla tablet?13:23
SK_worknimmersatt: for sure ?13:23
Siddethe mail today for example is a pretty bold statement. "Sailfish is open source"13:23
SiddeApple could say the same thing with OS X then?13:23
Siddeso i still think that open source the apps and stuff that has no licensing issues13:24
SK_workSidde: again the same discussion13:25
SK_workyep, it's a false statement13:25
Siddebut now is not the time to be negative13:25
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SK_workyes, it's not OSS13:25
SK_workyes that's a problem13:25
SK_workand I hope that we will get some convincing answer for enxt meeting13:25
SiddeI felt a bit cheated at the beginning. Jumping on the open source mobile phone train13:26
Siddebut it was my own bad research i have to blame13:26
nimmersattwait sailfish isnt open source?13:27
Siddenimmersatt: some parts are not13:27
Siddenimmersatt: the UI stuff for example13:27
Siddenimmersatt: but it's pretty much open source. You get a normal linux kernel and userspace13:28
Siddeand there is a great deal of configuration you have to do the linux way sometimes. which is really nice13:29
Nicd-it's more open source than other choices. but it's not (even close to) 100 % so it shouldn't be marketed as such13:29
tortoisedocjhakala1 : ping13:29
tortoisedocwhat did i miss :(13:29
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tortoisedocsailfish 2.0 announcement ? :(13:30
Siddebetter to say it's a linux phone and get everyone to think that it's open source. Then say it out loud :D13:30
marinaiotortoisedoc: jolla tablet crowdfunding
nimmersattUI should be open sourced, too. and the real android launcher, too, when it launches.13:30
tortoisedocmarinaio : ah yeah that I know :P13:30
nimmersattthanks for reply, sidde13:31
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SK_worknimmersatt: tell this to Jolla13:31
SK_workas I understand there are reason not to oss, at least they should tell wha's open what's not13:31
tortoisedocmarinaio : were they showing at slush?13:32
tortoisedoc(the tablet I mean)13:32
Armadilloonly the vid13:33
marinaiono, they teased the tablet in a video13:33
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SK_workMarc only had a phone in his hands at Slush13:35
SK_workthe tablet can be seen at Slush though13:35
lainwir3dSK_work: sure ? I think after the video we see him with a tablet13:35
lainwir3don scene13:35
marinaioI only remember him showing his phone13:36
marinaiowith a leather oth13:36
Nicd-pienimäki had a tablet at slush13:36
Nicd-a jolla tablet*13:36
marinaio -Only couple of tablet prototypes in existence right now.
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tortoisedocjollatabled > 500K :D13:48
tortoisedochow much is that13:48
tortoisedoc2500 tablets?13:48
Nicd-it's 2398 tablets13:48
Nicd-just add up the numbers ;)13:48
tortoisedocnot bad for a first day :P13:48
lainwir3dthe day is not over13:49
tortoisedocim trying to be positive here >_<13:49
tortoisedocbut still no news about paid apps in harbour :(13:49
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tortoisedocgiucam : will tabled lipstick be very different from phone lipstick?13:53
fluxI doubt it. different qml perhaps?13:55
giucamtortoisedoc: what do you mean?13:55
fluxmaintaining multiple different, but similar, projects is a waste of time for a company the size of Jolla13:56
Armadillotortoisedoc it's called tablet not tabled :P13:56
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SK_workdoffere,t qùm13:57
SK_workdifferent qml13:58
SK_worksorry kbd shift13:58
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locusfthe current jolla-home qml heavily relies on the homescreen to be in portrait orientation13:58
coderuscurrent lipstick-jolla-home-qt5 qml's are sucks :D13:59
flux'they' should fix that. I would like a landscape homescreen with the keyboard.13:59
Armadillothey are already working on this13:59
Armadillothis has been said on the dev mailing list13:59
flux(actually I would like it while switching between landscape apps as well, even without kbd)14:00
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SK_workcoderus: it's getting better14:00
SK_workwell, better but the compositor.qml file is still 1kloc14:00
SK_workand messy as hell*14:01
locusfhmm lol I didn't even read the indiegogo screen, I just threw money at the screen :p14:01
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PistosOne major flaw I dislike about Android is that app permissions are an all-or-nothing affair.  You must surrender your firstborn in order to use that clever stopwatch app.  What really should be done is the OS should allow the user to block SPECIFIC permissions, and allow others, so that you can deny access to the blood of your children, while still being able to time your laps around the track.  Does14:02
PistosSailfish and/or Mer improve on this situation?14:02
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SK_workPistos: I have to say: dunno14:03
Nicd-yes, there is no permission system14:03
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Nicd-at all14:03
SK_workas there is no permission atm14:03
SK_workNicd-: I hope there will be some14:03
Nicd-all apps have the right to do anything they want14:03
PistosNicd-, SK_work: Um, meaning what exactly, then?  :)14:03
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PistosHm, I see.14:03
SK_workNicd-: well, there is none, but you can install packages to get all of them (get privileged easily)14:03
Nicd-Pistos: it means apps run as your nemo user14:03
fluxtoo bad it wasn't there from the start. because the transition is going to be a pain..14:03
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PistosOkay, well, I guess maybe this is actually good news, since that means people can start thinking about the problem now, and it's not too late to influence a major aspect of the OS14:04
Nicd-Pistos: it means there is no sandboxing between apps and almost anything in your home directory like configs of other clients is ripe for the picking14:04
Nicd-other apps*14:04
PistosCan you at least run things as different users, then?14:04
Pistosruskie: Fancy seeing you here.  ;)14:05
Nicd-not without using devtools14:05
fluxprobably not if you want to use fancy things like graphics :)14:05
Nicd-even with devtools wouldn't know how to14:05
SK_workflux: well, atm, nothing related to accessing private data is allowed on store14:05
SK_workso ...14:05
SK_workPistos: you have nemo / priviliged and root14:05
AccePistos: just uninstall silica Ui and run everything in fingerterm14:06
Acce(not sure if really possible :)14:06
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cos-sailors have been reported to be in finnair vip loung, i suppose they are happy with the indiegogo numbers14:09
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tortoisedocgiucam : @ a technical level; is the qml going to be substantially different?14:09
tortoisedoccos: ask sailors to come out and get me as +1 back in :P14:09
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giucamtortoisedoc: to be seen yet14:10
tortoisedocthanks :)14:10
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SK_worktortoisedoc: it might be14:15
SK_worknot sure yet14:15
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lukedirtwalkerAre there any store guys/girls here?14:16
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SK_worklukedirtwalker: maybe, if they are back at office14:17
SK_worknazanin: ^ ?14:17
SK_workor iekku: ^ ?14:17
lukedirtwalkerSK_work: thanks for pointing them14:17
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fzkaha! more liek anal14:21
lukedirtwalkerProbably today is party day for them :) But the announcement motivated me again to push Cutespotify forward14:21
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nazaninlukedirtwalker: I'm here :)14:41
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lainwir3dI got a problem with pyotherside14:49
lainwir3dI can't import scipy.signal with it14:50
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lainwir3dbut it works perfectly when imported directly from python3.414:50
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lukedirtwalkernazanin: Oh I missed it. So my question is can I submit an app which only works with SF version 1.0.8 and later, or will that fail Q&A anyway?15:04
Stskeepstbr, sorry, on really bad windows pc and scrolled off already.. you hilighted me?15:04
tbrStskeeps: nothing for you to worry15:06
tbrStskeeps: other people gave your marketing a backrub already about "all open sores"15:06
nazaninlukedirtwalker: in such situations, we test applications on a case by case basis. It's not gonna fail QA because it only works on one OS version. you can submit your app and in the 'Message from developer' part mention this point :)15:06
nazaninlukedirtwalker: we will contact you later to keep you updated about the process :)15:07
iekkui'm here now too15:08
lukedirtwalkernazanin: Thanks, then I will submit it and see what happens :)15:08
nazaninlukedirtwalker: cool15:09
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Stskeepstbr: a backrub with a whip?15:16
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tbrStskeeps: inquire with lbt as to the exact technique that he applied15:16
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tortoisedocscary :D15:19
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cos-tablet has been slashdotted15:25
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Accewaiting for "over 9000!!!" picture for the tablet.. when 9000 are "sold"15:32
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tortoisedocalmost doubled the target ammount! :D15:35
tortoisedocmoney :P15:36
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SK_worknope, need 800k for this :)15:39
tortoisedoc800k? by tomorrow eve - no, midday? :P15:40
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tortoisedocjust noticed now15:59
tortoisedocthe spec table of the jolla tablet15:59
tortoisedocis missing the gpu spec15:59
nimmersattwill they get a million today?15:59
PistosPatiently waiting for the Jolla phone to become available on the west side of the Atlantic.  :(16:00
Jef91So the 204$ on the Indigo page covers the full cost of the tablet when it is released or just gets you a discount on one?16:00
tortoisedocPistos : order from EU with forwarder ?16:00
nimmersattI mean, it is early in america16:00
Jef91Pistos: +1. I don't really want a tablet, but I want to play with Sailfish.16:00
Jef91tortoisedoc: not having 3g/LTE speeds is huge16:00
stephgPistos: you'll have difficulties with connectivity :(16:00
Jef91currently Jolla only has 2g speeds in the US/Canada16:00
tortoisedocjef91 : you mean phone or tablet?16:00
PistosYep, can't wait to get my hands on a phone running software that I can at least trust a little bit.16:01
stephgJef91: buy an N4 or an N5 and put SFOS on it?16:01
Jef91Pistos: I'm still using a Nokia N900 haha16:01
Pistosstephg: Right, so getting the physical device now isn't going to do any good if it won't work with any local carriers.16:01
Jef91stephg: Those are officially supported and have everything functional?16:01
tortoisedocCommunity should release Sailfish version for N900 :P16:01
stephgofficially supported, no16:01
stephgfunctional, yes16:01
Jef91All the software/hardware is functional?16:01
stephgthe community is doing it's best to make them better too16:02
Jef91No GPS on the nexus 4 :(16:03
PistosJef91: #feature16:04
Jef91And the n5 is WAY too big.16:04
Jef91Meh. In all honesty I'm addicted to a physical keyboard.16:04
Jef91I actually have a N9 here somewhere as well that I don't use any more16:04
Jef91because I like having a keyboard too much16:04
tbrJef91: in canada apparently rogers has some places with matching LTE16:04
PistosJef91: I used to think that way, but I've pretty much gotten used to on-screen.  Especially with some kind of swiping interface.16:04
stephgJef91: sfos just about runs on that too again btw?16:05
stephgif you want to try that16:05
Jef91Pistos: I was using swype on the N9 for awhile16:05
Jef91but it still isn't as good as real buttons16:05
tbrfor shell access I still prefer a physical keyboard16:05
PistosWell sure, who the heck would code or shell with an on-screen keyboard?  heh16:05
PistosI mean for basic English writing, like texting.16:05
PistosBut why would you code or shell from a phone...16:06
stephghorses for courses16:06
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stephganyway I am being pulled into a meeting16:06
Jef91That keyboard attachment for the Jolla looks16:07
Jef91speaking off16:07
Jef91hopefully that becomes real16:07
lbtJef91: it's fully funded - no reason it won't be16:09
Jef91now I just gotta hope the jolla works quickly in the US eventually16:09
Jef91Need at least 3g16:09
ryukafalzI bought a Nexus 4 to use Sailfish personally. I'm sure it would be much better on an actual Jolla though :P16:11
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lbtit is :D16:14
ryukafalzIt's not so bad on the N4 either, if you can get over the lack of bluetooth and GPS and camera and accelerometer... XD16:14
ryukafalzbluetooth especially, I want to use my pebble :>16:15
Jef91no camera16:17
Jef91is a huge show stopper16:17
Jef91maybe when my wife gets a new phone I'll scooped up her N416:17
ryukafalzyeah, I was trying to figure that one out yesterday, because the wiki says camera should work on mako:
ryukafalzI might need to update my kernel or something16:18
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artemmaCongrats with the announcement and super-mega-successful campaign!16:32
* artemma hopes @JollaHQ can add batches quickly as old ones run out :)16:32
artemmaI have been out of the sailfishos news for a while. There is still nothing about paid or anyhow commercial apps, right?16:35
SK_workartemma: soon maybe ?16:35
SK_worknothing ...16:35
SK_workhaha, another point to put on next meeting16:35
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sandsmarkdoes the virtualbox instance used for building log anywhere?19:04
sandsmarkto figure out why it keeps shutting down (possibly crashing)19:04
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coderusvirtualbox crashing?19:14
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sandsmarkI think so?19:20
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bernte_Hi - is there a solution to have full-disk or at least home dir encryption on a Jolla phone? Does anyone have any pointers?19:45
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coderusbernte_: you can do it in linux-way, but you can't enter password before mounting partition to encrypt it :D20:02
bernte_Ok - there is no off-the-shelf solution. Hmm - I rather would avoid walking around with all my precious data available for everyone should I loose my phone.20:03
coderusbernte_: devicelock is enough20:04
coderusbernte_: there are no exploits to mount locked phone or access data20:04
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bernte_so, what there is no way to recover a phone where - by accident - I overwrite the root partition? It is then a brick?20:05
tbrbernte_: there is a recovery, but it honours device lock code20:06
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coderusbernte_: yes, you can't access device without code20:07
coderusonly wipe20:07
bernte_Ok - I think I get the message: trust the hardware that nobody will remove the flash disk from the phone. Is there a way to have a very strong code for when I switch the phone off - compared the simpler code that I enter when I just want to unlock from stand-by?20:08
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coderusdevicelock code is the only one :)20:09
coderusyou can modify lockscreen probably to ask some other code when phone is not locked completely20:10
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coderusbut it will be autolocked by timeout and ask you devicelock code anyway20:10
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coderusthere is only one solution developer by jolla20:11
coderusbut its linux and you free to do everything you need and modify things for your wishes20:12
bernte_Hmm - for me it is more a matter of having the data stored encrypted and typing in a passphrase when I boot the thing. All my gadgets (PC, Laptops, Tablets, Phones) work that way, but it looks like the system is different for Jolla.20:12
coderusand i see no reason to include these stong things to mobile device, devicelock code is enough20:13
coderusand yes, i think if you dont want to implement it yourself - you need some different device, not jolla20:13
Nicd-I would guess the chance of it being stolen by someone that has the capability to extract the flash from the hardware is pretty low20:13
Nicd-unless you are really paranoid20:13
coderusYeah, paranoid or have top secret files on devices20:14
coderusin both cases jolla is not suitable for such things20:14
coderus^ imho20:14
coderusit's linux and you free to create it yourself, if you want to do it of course20:14
TemeVI'd guess no smart phone is suitable for those20:14
TemeVafter all, wire cutter is the only good enough firewall... and it doesn't really work for wireless devices :)20:15
coderusif you waiting company to do it - stay with your current solutions, but i doubt encryption on your PC, Laptob, Tablet and Phone is done by company who developed OS20:15
coderusit sould be 3rd party solutions20:16
TemeVwell, windows, OS X and Ubuntu have encryption "out of the box"20:16
TemeVI don't know about how secure they are though20:16
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bernte_I get the message - do it youself. Which might not be the worst solution. As linux has the main parts, the only question is if the kernel provided by Jolla already has support, and I need some way to type in the passphrase on boot.20:20
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TemeVbernte_: at the moment that is the only way, because Jolla's priorities are elsewhere20:22
bernte_TemeV: Probably on that tablet that I supported today.20:23
coderusbernte_: kernel is kernel, ui for passphrase is not the harest part, you need to intercept boot process and stop it at some moment while password is not entered, and continue booting after password is entered.20:23
coderusjolla using systemd, so you can test it easily20:23
M4rtinKBTW, the new Jolla tablet might have AES-NI support in the CPU20:23
M4rtinKmeaning hardware encryption support20:23
M4rtinKthat could help a bit20:23
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M4rtinKcoderus: it is usually done by initrd20:24
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M4rtinKcoderus: it finds that rootfs or one oft the required partitions specified in fstab is encrypted and spawns a password entry dialog20:24
TemeVcoderus: can you point me where in Mitäkuuluu source code I can copy paste notifications to my Telegramm app?20:24
bernte_M4rtinK: Depend on whether I got for full disk or only home dir.20:24
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M4rtinKthen once you enter the password, it mounts the partition and continues with boot20:25
TemeVI don't want to read all the code :)20:25
M4rtinKthat's it20:25
M4rtinKshould be possible to do the same on Jolla20:25
coderusM4rtinK: sure if you have text mode :D20:26
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coderusTemeV: like this:
M4rtinKeven midnight commander supports cursor clicks, still should be doable as long as you can get touch coordinates :)20:27
TemeVcoderus: thanks a lot :)20:28
coderusM4rtinK: cursor clicks in text mode?20:28
M4rtinKyeah, why not :)20:29
M4rtinKif you can get some data from the touchscreen at that stage20:29
coderusM4rtinK: afaik it's doable only on terminal-emulator side20:29
M4rtinKif numbers are enough you just need a 3x3 grid & entry20:29
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M4rtinKshould be doable with some ASCII art :)20:30
M4rtinKthen just montor clicks, convert to numbers clicked, done :)20:30
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M4rtinKa total hack but doable :)20:35
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tortoisedoc_sailfish 2.020:51
tortoisedoc_when ?20:51
tortoisedoc_jolla phone or only tablet?20:51
tortoisedoc_all these questions..20:51
raa700_answer is probably yes, and/or soon20:51
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stephgwell it's ningles somewhere, I guess20:58
stephger, also <hastily>20:58
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stephghave you had a good slush kimmoli?21:00
kimmolii have to stop drinking and ircing21:02
stephgstory of my life ;)21:02
kimmolibut cant decide which i take out from equation21:02
stephgtough call21:02
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kimmoliproplly beer, have to go to work tomorroe21:03
stephgwe all do21:05
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tortoisedoc_kimmoli : irc and drink beer until you cant irc anymore21:06
tortoisedoc_then go to sleep21:06
tortoisedoc_beer will get you sleepy fast21:06
tortoisedoc_you will irc for a while21:06
tortoisedoc_---> win/win situation21:06
tortoisedoc_kimmoli : how was supercell afterparty21:07
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kimmolii was not there21:09
kimmolitoday is transfluent party21:09
kimmolibut we got outtracked from there too21:09
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tortoisedoc_12 hours of jolla tablet and 36 hours of nokia tablet and still no post on tomi ahonen blog21:33
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tortoisedoc_almost 800K and counting :D21:41
tortoisedoc_this is amazin21:41
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