Thursday, 2014-11-20

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SaberAltriaQuestion about the Video {  } in QtMultimedia 5.002:55
SaberAltriaI wonder if it is possible to play the online video without full buffer with Video {  }02:56
SaberAltriaI did many tests and found that it only starts to play when the bufferProgress === 102:57
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niktrix_when will jolla phone get sailfishos update ?08:18
cryoratniktrix_, sooooon :D08:19
cryoratwhen the 1.10 considered stable08:19
niktrix_currently am using 1.0.8.2108:19
niktrix_is there any update after that08:19
cryoratso am i08:19
cryoratyes08:19
cryorat1.10 is out for user testing08:20
Armadilloat least 2.0 in may we hope :)08:20
cryoratlook up in the askbot page08:20
niktrix_and what abot the 2.0, will phone will get that update in future08:20
cryorattogether.jolla.com08:20
ArmadilloI'm pretty sure it will get this update08:20
cryoratprobably yes08:20
cryoratjolla 2 will be announced next year08:21
niktrix_am using sailfish for about 2 months08:21
cryoratbut when will they release jolla2 is a mistery08:21
niktrix_but i didnt found anything intresting08:21
Armadillowhat should be interesting?08:21
niktrix_Is there anything unlike than android08:21
cryoratiOS :DDDD08:22
Armadillonearly everything Oo08:22
niktrix_most of the taxi apps doesnt work as those app uses google services for map08:22
Nicd-the phone will get SFOS 2.0, the same OS will run on the phone and the tablet08:22
niktrix_i have to borrow friends mobile for booking taxi08:23
cryoratniktrix_, use google services then08:23
niktrix_neither doies kik works08:23
cryoratI dont need it now but im considering it because ingress whining about it08:23
cryoratuse telegram08:23
cryoratworks like a charm08:24
niktrix_google service there is no easy way to install it08:24
niktrix_there is a long process to do which i dont want to do08:24
Nicd-well, then you have to stop complaining :P08:25
Armadillo+108:25
Nicd-there isn't anything jolla can do about it08:25
niktrix_am not complaining08:25
niktrix_am saying  may be there is solution for that thats it08:26
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Armadillothere isn't08:26
Armadilloinstead of the ones mentioned above08:26
Nicd-the only solution is to install google play services08:26
niktrix_is it ok if i ask few more question, just am  not complaining08:27
Nicd-sure you can ask08:27
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niktrix_which browser you use08:28
niktrix_for jolla08:28
Nicd-the native browser or android opera08:28
Armadillonative one08:28
niktrix_and which native application you use frequently08:28
ArmadilloBrowser, IRC, Mail, TaskList08:30
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niktrix_thanks Nicd-  Armadillo cryorat08:30
Nicd-phone, messaging, clock, calendar, sailtime, nysset, camera, flashlight, file browser, people, carbudget, lighthouse, weecrapp, screenshot...08:30
niktrix_where will i get weecrapp08:31
niktrix_its not in jollastore08:32
niktrix_and warehouse08:32
Nicd-it's not released yet, it's my app. :) and it's only of use if you run weechat08:32
niktrix_ooh08:32
niktrix_you are also making apps for sailfish08:33
niktrix_have you released any in store08:33
Armadillowell this is the developer channel ;)08:33
Armadillomany of us are releasing apps on the store :)08:33
Armadillojust released tasklist 1.1 :P08:34
Nicd-niktrix_: sailtime is my app too08:34
niktrix_Nicd-, am using sailtime from the 1st day i bout phone08:35
Nicd-\o/08:35
niktrix_Nicd-, am using sailtime from the 1st day i bought phone08:35
Nicd-I'm glad if you found it useful08:36
niktrix_yes it is :)08:36
niktrix_do you guys make apps for other os too ?08:37
Nicd-I haven't, I mostly do web stuff08:37
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ArmadilloSailfish is my first time to develop mobile apps, too08:38
niktrix_Armadillo, installed tasklist, not used much. but i like that lock oriientation option, all apps should have this option08:38
Nicd-niktrix_: you can also temporarily lock orientation by holding your finger on the screen when turning the phone08:39
Armadillo:)08:39
niktrix_Nicd-, nice it works08:40
h0wseri just found out about sailfish, where can i find information about installing it to my phone?08:41
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niktrix_h0wser, which phone ?08:41
h0wsergalaxy s308:41
niktrix_try looking in xda forums08:42
h0wserok thanks08:42
Armadilloor have a look at #sailfishos-porters08:42
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niktrix_has anyone bought tablet ?08:44
ArmadilloI'm still struggeling08:45
Nicd-niktrix_: well, about 4000 people already apparently :)08:46
Nicd-I'm not going to buy it but I wish them the best08:47
niktrix_the video looks promising08:47
niktrix_do you have toh ?08:49
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Nicd-I have 3 (red "the first one", black and white)08:50
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Nicd-I also preordered the keyboard (TOHKBD)08:50
niktrix_toh are not available in india, TOHKBD i found it very costly08:51
niktrix_am looking to get a 3d print of toh any tips for that08:51
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Armadillocostly is relative if there's no alternative available08:52
niktrix_Armadillo, overpiced :)08:54
Armadillowell it is a small series08:54
Armadilloprice drops if you can sell thousands of pieces08:54
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Armadillobut you can also get the source of tohkbd to do it on your own and maybe cheaper way ;)08:55
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dirkvl_j_sources will be open after camaign is done and all designs are final09:00
dirkvl_j_but i wish you the best of luck with building it cheaper ;)09:01
Armadillohehe09:02
jwalckdirkvl_j_: given that you generally dont charge yourself for your own time, cheaper when you make it yourself is quite easy:)09:04
jwalckmaking it for someone else however...09:04
Armadilloadditionally, if it wouldn't be "that expensive" we wouldn't have any tohkbd on the horizon today09:05
Armadilloso the prize doesn't matter so much :)09:06
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h0wsersailfish isn't based on android is it?09:08
Armadilloit is based on Mer09:09
SK_workh0wser: it can use Android hardware adaptation layer, via libhybris09:09
SK_workSailfish also uses an Android layer for Android apps compatibility09:09
SK_workbut you are free not to use it09:09
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h0wserok, so what is mer?09:11
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h0wsercant figure out what part mer plays from looking at the wiki09:12
Armadillohttps://sailfishos.org/images/Sailfish_Architecture.png09:12
Armadillohttp://merproject.org/09:12
jwalckh0wser: and from a historic point, mer heralds from meego which in itself came from maemo and moblin09:13
h0wserok, thanks alot09:13
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SK_workcybette: you there ?09:15
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cybetteSK_work: what's up?09:22
Armadillocybette I don't know what SK_work needs, but I recognized there's no next community meeting date on TJC09:23
Armadilloit's still november 4th09:23
SK_workArmadillo: thanks: cybette ^09:23
Armadilloah :D09:24
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cybetteyes! thanks for the reminder, I have it on my todo list to udpate TJC and send email to mailing list, but the slush todo list overrode everything :P09:30
SK_workcybette: that's what I expected09:30
SK_workthat's why I waited for slush + 1day to ping you :)09:31
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cybetteSK_work: ok thanks :) aim to do that asap, although todo list keeps growing (slush is over but campaign is only getting started!)09:37
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SK_workcybette: indeed09:39
SK_worknot tired to do +5$, add perk ?09:39
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SaberAltriaError: nothing provides libQt5MultimediaWidgets.so.5 needed by harbour-hktv-0.1-1.armv7hl09:41
SaberAltriaHow to solve this?09:41
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SaberAltriaI have added this "QT += multimediawidgets" in .pro09:44
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SK_workhi SaberAltria !09:46
SK_workare you targetting harbour ?09:46
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SK_workif no, you cannot use multimediawidgets09:46
SK_workif so, you cannot use multimediawidgets09:46
Acceor any widgets, afaik09:46
Acceqml, it is09:46
SaberAltriaOps... that means I have to find other alternatives ?09:47
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AcceWhat are you trying to do? show video or similar?09:48
SaberAltriaI use the videoWidget in C++. if so, what else can I use which has similar function ?09:48
SaberAltriaYes I want to play video09:48
SK_workSaberAltria: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qml-qtmultimedia-video.html09:49
SaberAltria@SK_work I am afraid that the qml one is not enough for me...09:49
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SaberAltriaI want to make a video player that can do online video streaming... but I found that the qml Video {  } and MediaPlayer {  }09:50
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SaberAltriacan only play the video until the video is fully buffered (  bufferProgress === 1 )09:51
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SaberAltriaIs there a way to make this kind of thing ?09:53
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Acceit should be possible by using the corresponding c++ classes to implement a qml component which is capable of doing what you want.. but I'm not exactly sure how09:56
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SK_workSaberAltria: did you tried ?09:57
SK_workis that true that you need bufferprogress === 1 ?09:58
SK_workstrange09:58
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AcceSK_work: it states in the MediaPlayer docs so09:59
SK_workSaberAltria: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qml-qtmultimedia-videooutput.html#source-prop09:59
SK_workwrite your source to provide this09:59
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SaberAltriaSK_work: No, I mean I don't want the video only start to play until bufferProgress === 110:01
SK_workSaberAltria: if you write your video source, shouldn't this work ?10:02
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SaberAltriaSK_work I am sorry that I don't understand " write your video source" mean10:03
dr_gogeta86SK_work, imagine steam on jolla tablet10:03
SK_workdr_gogeta86: ?10:03
SK_workSaberAltria: let me check10:03
dr_gogeta86is x86 and will be wayland support in the future10:03
SaberAltriaThz :D10:03
SK_workwhat are you planning to use from multimediawidgets to perform streaming ?10:03
SaberAltriajust to show the video10:04
* artemma was doing a small Qt-based iOS prototype on his dayjob lately. Can run on Android. I was thinking of making a Sailfish build too, but it's way tpp painful to make completely different project for Jolla. Such a pity there is no centralized care for making a template/process for apps to work both on Jolla and something else. In a cross-platform way, you know10:04
SaberAltriaI follow the example in Qt Docs10:04
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SK_workSaberAltria: which example ?10:05
SaberAltriaI give you the link in a while10:06
SK_workartemma: I thought about wrapping Silica inside qtquickcontrols10:06
SK_workSaberAltria: can you resend ?10:06
AcceSK_work: didn't someone already start doing it?10:06
SaberAltriahttp://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/videooverview.html#playing-video-in-c10:07
SaberAltriathe first box10:07
SaberAltriaHere's an example of using QVideoWidget: >>>> is the part I read10:07
artemmaSK_work: IMHO the biggest problem with cross platform also-Sailfish apps is not controls, but stupid requirements for plugin naming (and a bit - reequirements for binary naming). At the moment you are simply unable to build for Sailfish if you use QML plugins and cannot access their source code10:08
SK_workhaha10:08
SK_workindeed10:08
artemmaa bit of a problem unless all your plugins are open source and even then you need to maintain10:09
SK_workartemma: can't you static link the plugins ?10:09
artemmafunny thing is that these requirements actually check the wrong thing: they check your source code VS what happens at runtime10:09
artemmayou can easily make your code conform to checks and by mistake still load plugins from jolla10:10
artemma's main locations10:10
artemmain case of not allowed nemo plugins10:10
artemmaSK_work: I don't think static linking can help. Plugins got to have a name: QML has to load them via harbour.yourapp.whatever so you must change the registration file at least. Many plugins additionally have asserts inside verifying the calling path10:11
artemmanemo plugins for example have a lot of it :)10:11
SK_workSaberAltria: ever tried to use QML ?10:12
SK_workI think (but not sure) that buffering means that there are frame being buffered10:12
SK_worknot full video10:12
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SaberAltriaI am not sure because I am using streaming video to test. I can never know the duration of a streaming video. Indeed the duration property in Qml is 0. But I tried to do some observation, I found that only the bufferProgress === 1, then the video started to play. I think this is quite annoying...10:15
SK_workSaberAltria: I wonder what's this bufferProgress10:16
SK_workbuffer is usually some frames10:17
SaberAltriaYup, I have more to explain10:17
SK_workanyway ...10:17
SK_workI do'nt know how to do this easily10:17
SK_workbut you might need to manage frames yourself10:17
SK_workor video buffering10:17
SaberAltriaYup, one key point is that, my streaming video is not really a "video". It is a playlist, the format is .m3u810:17
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AcceSaberAltria: here: https://github.com/tworaz/sailfish-ytplayer10:17
Acceit works without loading the whole video10:18
Acceit just loads the buffer full and then playback can happen10:18
SaberAltriaThz! I gonna take a look10:18
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Accejust install it and see how it works when you see some youtube vid10:18
Acces/see/seek/10:18
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SK_workSaberAltria: and ?10:19
SaberAltriathe .m3u8 consists of 8 clips of video10:19
SaberAltriaOnce it started to do buffer and loading, it did all 8 clips and then started to play10:20
SaberAltriabut not one by one10:20
SaberAltriaIn short, I hope the player and do buffer and playing at the same time, that is "simultaneous", but not linear10:21
SK_workSaberAltria: parse the m3u810:23
SK_workextract the vidfeo sources10:23
SK_workand play them independently10:24
SaberAltriaYes I tried this algorithm10:25
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SaberAltriabut it is worser, it looks nice that the video clips are short, can be quickly buffered, but the player still have to buffer one then play one. In the short buffer period, the video will be hidden, it makes the video always twinkling...10:27
SaberAltriafor example, play 2 second, then buffer 1 second, play 0.5 second, stopped and then buffer 0.5 second..............10:28
Acceuhh10:29
Accewhy does it not happen with youtube?10:29
Accesounds more like a connection problem10:29
Acceor maybe you need to make the buffer bigger somehow?10:30
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SaberAltriaMaybe I post the link here10:32
SaberAltriahttp://14.198.245.174:8080/enc2/02.m3u8?t=5e867b8b894ecb3ad7d71f71803bfe38&uid=1&vid=1&mxres=1874&s=b50c0ceda1e34bc3520c000a1ca3ceea&cname=index2"10:32
SaberAltria10:32
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SK_work...10:33
SK_workSaberAltria: haha10:34
SK_workwhat you need is to spawn several MediaPlayer10:34
SK_workuse them to buffer each clip10:34
SK_workand then swap media player on the video source10:35
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SaberAltriaI shared same view...10:38
SaberAltriaI tried this method too ...10:38
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SaberAltriaI used 2 Video {  } When Video A is playing, Video B is buffering. When Video A is Ended, Video B can play instantly without any buffering10:39
SaberAltriabut the switching between them also make some inconsistency10:41
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SK_workSaberAltria: inconsistency ?10:53
SK_workwhat are you trying to achieve actually ?10:53
SaberAltriaSK_work, I know my real real problem is10:53
SaberAltriathe qml video player doesn't support .m3u8 streaming !!!10:54
SK_workit do10:54
SK_workbadly10:54
Armadillo^^10:54
SK_workbut what are you trying to achieve10:54
SK_workthis m3u8 thing, is a playlist10:54
SK_workso if you are doing a video player10:54
SaberAltriaIn ubuntu, I just double clicked the .m3u8, it will continue to play for many hours10:55
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SK_workSaberAltria: well, what's the player ? :)10:55
SK_workvlc ?10:55
SK_workthat handles this well etc.10:55
SK_work^don't expect a framework to give the same quality compared to a sw10:55
SaberAltriabut for qml video and c++ mediaplayer ( I just tried), it will stop handled when the first playlist is played. That means it wouldn't update the "list"10:55
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SaberAltriathe default one video player in ubuntu 14.10, just called Video...10:56
Accejust a note, you should use VideoOutput in combination with MediaPlayer, Video component is convenience object which combines the two10:57
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SaberAltriathe playlist (.m3u8) keeps on updating, but qml doesn't update it. I use ( loops: true ) to make it reload the playlist, but it is different10:57
SaberAltriaAcce, Yes I tried MediaPlayer and VideoOutput in qml too10:58
SaberAltriait works, but between old playlist and updated playlist for streaming, it needs some times to "reload"10:59
SaberAltriabut in the ubuntu video player, I can tell the difference is that, it is not a kind of "reload" but continue loading11:00
SaberAltriamaybe I call it "append the updated playlist to old playlist"11:00
SaberAltriaThere must be some difference between their handling methods11:01
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SaberAltriaAlso, for qml MediaPlayer, if I set the "loops" to "0", it only plays a short part of the video, but not streaming I think...11:03
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SaberAltriaOne possible solution I can think of is using some html5 web-based player in Webview, but it is not quite native...11:05
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SaberAltriaHa Ha11:18
SaberAltriaThere is a bug reports for similar issue11:19
SaberAltriahttps://lists.sailfishos.org/pipermail/devel/2014-August/004951.html11:19
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sandsmarkqtmultimedia is unfortunately not really up to par, and pretty much unmaintained...11:28
sandsmarkhttp://lists.qt-project.org/pipermail/development/2014-November/019035.html11:29
giucamit's not unmaintained11:34
giucamlacking resources, for sure11:34
SaberAltriaYup...11:35
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SaberAltriaI suffered the same problem, for the streaming, only the initial playlist contents and won't fetch more segments11:40
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paviGuys where do I find documentation for creating a new package for Jolla ?11:45
paviEspecially a package which has nothing to do with the UI but do some console operations requiring root11:45
SK_workpavi: what kind of packages ?11:45
paviSK_work, font ?11:45
SK_workpavi: package it as a standard RPM11:45
SK_workread fedora spec files11:46
SK_workfor example11:46
SK_workrun it in mer obs11:46
SK_workbuild.merproject.org11:46
SK_workor using the SDK virtualbox11:46
SK_workyou can ssh into it and run rpmbuild11:46
paviSK_work, ahh ok its that simple11:46
SK_workpavi: SailfishOS is a Linux distro so ...11:46
paviSK_work, ofcourse its linux , got my jolla phone yesterday , I installed some fonts using scp , I was asked by some people to make a package11:48
paviso I am starting with it , hope I dont ask too many dumb questions11:48
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stephgwell pavi you're in the right place for help :)11:49
pavistephg, thanks.11:50
paviSK_work, What changes need to be added specifically for sailfish to a fedora package ?11:50
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stephgpavi: depends on the package, at the very very least you'll be altering the spec file11:52
SaberAltria@pavi, you will make font manager for Jolla, right?11:52
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paviSaberAltria, no I dont have that high goals , I just wanna add some fonts11:53
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SaberAltriapavi, I have question about the fonts system in Jolla. In deed, I tried to change font, now I am using the "Segoe UI" font by Microsoft11:54
SaberAltriaBut before that, I have to delete all Jolla default font to make it activated. Do you have new method?11:55
paviSaberAltria, I am not sure if changing font system is possible. I guess its all hardcoded into the UI.11:55
paviAnd if you delete them there is a chance that your system becomes unusable ?11:56
paviI am not sure, its left to the experts11:56
SaberAltriaUnstable? Mmmm... I think it is stable but some text is not shown correctly11:57
sandsmarkI think you might be able to change the fontconfig to "redirect" the fonts11:57
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sandsmarkhttps://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Font_configuration/fontconfig_examples#Generic_with_common_typeface_overrides11:57
sandsmarkhttps://gist.github.com/Gen2ly/5f07022faaabdaa8bed211:58
SaberAltria@sandsmark, one more question about the font format Jolla used11:58
paviSaberAltria, try with the same font family and check . I guess you could always revert back11:58
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SaberAltriathe emoji problem, indeed, I downloaded many emoji fonts, like iOS emoji fonts in some forum11:59
SaberAltriabut it doesn't work in Jolla, but android is no problem11:59
sandsmarkqt doesn't support colored emoji11:59
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sandsmarkthere is a patch for it, though11:59
sandsmarkhttps://qt.gitorious.org/qt/tavestbos-qtbase/commit/18ae83b76e143f3bfdd25310990074acbc0027c712:00
sandsmarkI think this also adds support for it: https://github.com/telegramdesktop/tdesktop/tree/master/Telegram/_qt_5_3_1_patch12:01
sandsmarkbut idunno12:01
sandsmarknot a high priority for me personally, at least, I think emojis are silly12:01
SaberAltriahaha12:03
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ulvusHi12:28
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ulvusHello sandsmark12:36
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Hartzihmm warehouse lost all the repos suddently. It can't find the self update channel repo anymore. How to fix that?13:52
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ryukafalzHartzi: Try SSHing into the device and run "ssu lr" - that will show all enabled and disabled repos14:15
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TemeVI'm getting "//usr/include/mlite5/mnotification.h:25:27: fatal error: mremoteaction.h: No such file or directory" Which package I'm missing from the SDK?15:13
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TemeVIs there some nice documentation somewhere for stuff like this?15:14
Accemaybe zypper wp mnotification.h ?15:15
Accehmm nope15:16
TemeVyeah, I can't find anything related to this with zypper se or zypper wp15:18
Accemaybe mlite-qt5-devel, if you don't have it installed15:19
Acceand do you have it included from your .pro?15:21
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TemeVi think I should have that15:22
Acceand on another note, do you know someplace with any docs or tutorials about mlite5 :)15:22
TemeVnope15:22
TemeVI'm just using google and reading other peoples source codes15:22
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Accehmm mlite source seems quite nicely commented15:24
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Accedo you have in your .spec: BuildRequires: pkgconfig(mlite5)15:26
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Acceor well, I'm just looking it up from mitakuuluu2 source files15:26
TemeVyes, I think I have all relevant stuff from mitakuuluu2 .spec file :)15:26
Accesince it works, I guess looking there and comparing to yours might work15:26
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Acceoh, ok :)15:26
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TemeVwell, I could just try to add the non-relevant stuff also15:28
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TemeVI'm doing instant messenger after all, so I might need them in the future anyway15:29
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Accemhmm.. if you're just trying to use notifications, org.nemomobile.notifications might be enough15:30
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TemeVisn't that only usable from qml?15:32
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Acceoh ok, I didn't understand you need them from c++15:33
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AcceI wish I could be sure if the guys at Jolla will go for mlite5 or the other nemomobile stuff15:33
Acceor if they would say something else about their API than "It's Qt and Nemo stuff" :)15:34
TemeVI'm trying to do as much as possible with c++ :)15:35
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Nicd-to be honest, the Sailfish API documentation for app devs is among the most terrible I've ever seen... P15:35
Nicd-*:P15:35
TemeVAnd I'd also like to use notifications from background daemon, so I guess qml is not that practical there15:35
SK_workNicd-: it is just enough15:36
SK_workif you comes from Harmattan it is quite ok15:36
Nicd-the way you do stuff is by asking around in mailing lists and IRC channels15:36
SK_workand you might need to read source code at some point15:36
Nicd-then you hope you get an approved or good method to do it as an answer15:36
TemeVOr someone is awake when you're having problems15:36
Nicd-yep15:36
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SK_workor whenever coderus is here or not :P15:42
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Armadillo16:35:44ยป <Nicd-> to be honest, the Sailfish API documentation for app devs is among the most terrible I've ever seen... P <-- which documentation? :)15:43
Nicd-:D15:43
Nicd-well, we have documentation for the QML widgets15:44
Nicd-so we can create UIs without any functionality15:44
SK_workNicd-: you have Qt doc for this15:45
Nicd-except for stuff like GPS (until 5.2) and notifications which should've been there from the start15:46
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TemeVNicd-: do you use notifications in weecrapp?15:47
Nicd-haven't gotten to that yet15:47
TemeVso you don't know how to use them from c++?15:48
Nicd-nope15:48
TemeVdamn, have to wait until coderus appears online, I guess :)15:48
Nicd-seen some mitakuuluu code for it but haven't gone through it15:48
SK_workTemeV: what I do is that I (static) link with nemo qml notifications15:48
Nicd-this is one thing that just absolutely should be there15:48
Nicd-in some documentation15:49
TemeVSK_work: ok, have to check that out15:49
SK_workTemeV: I use some QML submodules for this15:49
SK_workNicd-: I'm trying to write a custom compatibility layer that pulls all kind of submodules15:50
SK_workcompile them15:50
SK_workand you can link with these libs15:50
TemeVok. Well, I have to go now. SK_work I'll maybe ask you some details later :)15:50
TemeV-->15:50
SK_workso that sailfish devs will have nice features quite easily15:50
Nicd-anyway, I should get a new laptop before I can use any 5.2 stuff in my apps :/15:53
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ulvusHi sailfish ppl16:12
SK_workhi ulvus16:14
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ulvusWhats up, nice to hear about launch of tablet and OS 2.016:16
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ryukafalzTablet's gonna be awesome :)16:26
ulvusYeah16:26
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ulvus252 % funding look good16:32
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ulvusHi!18:04
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SK_workhi ulvus18:06
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ulvusSK_work:  are they date of 24 november correct for release of sailfish OS 2 ore are it just rumours18:10
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SK_work100% rumors18:11
SK_work1.1.X is not fully out yet18:11
SK_workso how come they can make 2.0 in 4 days ?18:11
locusflots of coffee?18:11
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Aardulvus: don't get that hooked on a software version. we're continuing updating as before. the more exciting bit is the hardware part18:12
SK_worklocusf: no, only having more Stskeeps could make this achievable18:12
SK_workAard: ha ?18:12
SK_workIMO SW part (multiwindow ? new swipe animation ? new ambience lockscreen menu etc.) is much more exciting18:13
locusfSK_work: heheh :)18:13
SK_workas it can also benefit from Jolla phone18:13
AardSK_work: meaning, "don't expect a bing bang where everything suddenly shows up"18:13
SK_workbenefit to jolla phone18:13
SK_workAard: I'm waiting for them then :)18:13
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ulvusStskeeps do a good work, but he can and will not tell me about jolla and  sailfish launc, before its going public. He under firm and private  practice of discretion18:18
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ulvusOk, jolla hope to have tablet on sale may 201518:29
ulvusIts a date found egg.me crowdfunding18:29
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mkollaroCould somebody please help me out with Silica+signals? I'm trying to create a simple app that would just print the result of a C++ function in a QML rectangle. I found this: http://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qtqml-cppintegration-interactqmlfromcpp.html , but I'm not sure how to rewrite the normal main() using SailfishApp::main with the one in the examples18:58
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Accemkollaro: simple example of working main: https://github.com/Acce0ss/simpleweather/blob/master/src/harbour-simpleweather.cpp19:18
mkollaroAcce: I thought you need to register a new qml type only when you are creating your own visual thingy?19:19
Accemkollaro: it doesn't have to be a visual thing19:20
Acceof course, you may register just something if you don't need a whole new type19:20
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mkollaroAcce: then in which cases are you supposed to register a new type and when should you use signals&slots?19:20
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Accewell, a type forms a sensible object, which may have properties, signals and slots (equal to functions on qml side)19:21
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Acceit's like a class, which you then instantiate in the qml19:22
Accepossibly dynamically19:22
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Accein case you have something you want to relay from c++, and you don't really need to set any properties or such for the backend, just registering the needed function makes sense imo19:23
mkollaroso, in which case would you just use signals, without registering a type?19:25
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Accehumm.. it depends a lot on the case19:26
AcceI don't know what would be a good rule fitting all cases19:27
Accehttp://qt-project.org/doc/qt-5/qtqml-cppintegration-topic.html19:28
Acceso, maybe a case where you have 3rd party library and cannot make it a qml type in a sensible way19:29
Accejust register the functions to be usable from qml then19:29
Accewell it's maybe little bit wrong to say "register functions"19:31
Accein most cases I would just create a type I guess..19:33
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mkollaroAcce: thanks, that makes it a bit less confusing :)19:36
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Accemkollaro: np, just keep going on it and it starts to make more and more sense :)19:37
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salamisamiHi20:12
salamisamiHow's the Sailfish work on N920:12
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salamisamiApart from the missing features like GPS and Camera20:12
salamisamiHow snappy is the UI or does it feel slow like Meego on N900?20:13
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coderussalamisami: worst experience ever :)20:25
coderusjust for sailfish fans20:25
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salamisamiOh, ok20:26
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salamisamiIt looked ok on youtube20:26
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keithzg"It looked ok on youtube": famous last words ;)22:49
keithzgI will say that SailfishOS on the Nexus 4 is nearly flawless, so if you have one of those around it's *definitely* worth it IMHO.22:49
keithzgsalamisami ^^22:50
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jean-michelhello everybody23:41
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