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SaberAltria | Anyone know the cluster size of Jolla storage? | 00:14 |
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sandsmark | I saw it on together | 00:15 |
SaberAltria | 1024 right? | 00:16 |
SaberAltria | I saw tutroial mentioned the page should be same as the cluster size so as to improve the performance | 00:17 |
sandsmark | sorry, I don't remember :/ | 00:18 |
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SaberAltria | about openreops. if my package was first named as habour-abcd in my repository, then I changed its name to harbour-efgh, does this will make the user not able to update ? | 01:16 |
SaberAltria | harbour-abcd 0.0-1 to harbour-efgh 0.0.2 | 01:17 |
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ParkerR | sledges, Yo... | 02:26 |
ParkerR | I'm thinking about buying the tablet | 02:26 |
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locusf | 1M! | 07:43 |
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Armadillo | damn | 08:05 |
Armadillo | need a hotfix for my app :-/ | 08:05 |
Armadillo | will there be a QA run in the next hours? | 08:05 |
tigeli | Armadillo: I don't think there's passing lane on the qa, but you could contact developer-care@jolla.com and ask for it | 08:10 |
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Armadillo | I'll do that, thanks | 08:11 |
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Armadillo | although the problem doesn't need an instant lane passing | 08:12 |
Armadillo | only a release today would be helpful | 08:13 |
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coderus | Goodbye Harbour QA and Jolla Store, i will never meet you again anytime in future,i promise: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9142964 | 08:21 |
Armadillo | :-/ | 08:22 |
tortoisedoc | coderus : is websockets really disallowed? | 08:22 |
coderus | tortoisedoc: i build it myself for both u8 and u9 and bundled | 08:23 |
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tigeli | coderus: you could read the faq, all of those errors are fixable | 08:24 |
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coderus | tigeli: no, thanks | 08:25 |
coderus | no more tries to publish app in harbour | 08:25 |
tortoisedoc | coderus : rome was not build in a day ;)= | 08:25 |
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coderus | i'm not a trained puppy to do it | 08:26 |
Armadillo | didn't the rpm validator inform you about the problem? | 08:26 |
coderus | harbour.coderus.websockets is good import name for me | 08:26 |
coderus | i dont want to rebuild it for every app i want to publish in qa | 08:27 |
coderus | same for libraries i'm using | 08:27 |
coderus | ERROR [/usr/share/harbour-lgremote-webos/lib9/libQt5WebSockets.so.5.3.3] Library in wrong location (must be in /usr/share/harbour-lgremote-webos/lib/) | 08:27 |
coderus | this one is not fixable | 08:27 |
coderus | i dont want to rename libraries just for harbour | 08:27 |
tigeli | coderus: rename.. you have it in wrong directory | 08:28 |
tortoisedoc | coderus : /usr/share/harbour-lgremote-webos/lib/9/... ? | 08:28 |
tortoisedoc | a bit of work and tak validated :) | 08:28 |
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coderus | tigeli: i have lib dir for u8 libs and lib9 for u9 libs | 08:29 |
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coderus | libs have same name because it same libs compiled for different Qt versions | 08:29 |
coderus | i dont want to rename libs just for puttilg both libs versions in same lib folder | 08:29 |
Armadillo | lib/8/ and lib/9/ should do the job I think | 08:30 |
coderus | no thanks | 08:30 |
coderus | my files are under /usr/share/appname | 08:30 |
coderus | and i'll decide folders names to put files | 08:31 |
coderus | not harbout, but thanks for suggestion | 08:31 |
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tortoisedoc | or even | 08:35 |
coderus | i just wake up in a good mood after Jolla Tablet reached one million dollars, i slept thninking "what a great company Jolla", but when i wake up i read app reject notes and i think Jolla is not so good as i imagined | 08:36 |
tortoisedoc | /usr/share/harbour-lgremote-webos/lib/libQt5WebSockets9.so.5.3.3 | 08:36 |
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tortoisedoc | coderus : do not mix rejection with delusion :P | 08:36 |
Nicd- | coderus: they're not doing it to annoy you. they have a set of rules and have to follow it for every app. if you don't like some rule, you should make a TJC post about it for example | 08:37 |
coderus | the only reasonable reject reason i see is missed __provides_exclude in my package | 08:38 |
coderus | every other reason is bullshit | 08:38 |
tortoisedoc | great company != easy rules :/ | 08:39 |
tortoisedoc | publishing in harbour is not easy, it is easy if you follow the rules | 08:39 |
tortoisedoc | but not publishing in harbour because of this, kind of makes it seem a lazy thing :/ | 08:40 |
SK_work | coderus: first workaround for imports: rename the import (hard) or bundle the qml files in resources (easy) | 08:40 |
tortoisedoc | (or a resource constraint) | 08:40 |
tortoisedoc | im sure the case of coderus is the second one | 08:41 |
tortoisedoc | but in that case, it would have been better to gain more information on harbour process before starting adaptation | 08:41 |
coderus | well, if i get enough retweets i will publish it to harbour with imports names like "HarbourQaIsBestQaInTheWorld" and so | 08:42 |
SK_work | coderus: lol | 08:43 |
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tortoisedoc | lol | 08:43 |
tortoisedoc | coderus : revenge is a dish best served cold :P | 08:43 |
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coderus | not revenge | 08:45 |
Nicd- | coderus: please don't waste the QA's time | 08:45 |
coderus | Nicd-: :D | 08:46 |
Nicd- | it's a fun joke but they probably have enough to do already | 08:46 |
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coderus | Nicd-: if i want to waste QA time i'll publish mitakuuluu and get 1k rejection log :D | 08:46 |
SK_work | lol | 08:46 |
SK_work | coderus: you have the auto rpm checker in the sdk before submitting to harbour | 08:47 |
coderus | SK_work: i never used it sorry | 08:47 |
coderus | and have no idea if it exists in my installation or i already removed it by small mistake, lol ._. | 08:47 |
Nicd- | you should use it :P | 08:48 |
SK_work | you can, if you don't want to waste 48h to wait for messages about libs not in the right path | 08:48 |
SK_work | coderus: Sailfish SDK Qt Creator | 08:48 |
coderus | Nicd-: no more | 08:48 |
SK_work | the "Sailfish logo" | 08:48 |
coderus | you will never see my apps in jolla store :D | 08:48 |
coderus | start liking openrepos | 08:48 |
SK_work | you have a webview. In the top header click on validate rpm or something like this | 08:48 |
SK_work | coderus: well | 08:49 |
SK_work | it depends on who you targets | 08:49 |
SK_work | not everybody have openrepos | 08:49 |
coderus | as i said the only reasonable rejection reason is __provides_exclude | 08:49 |
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locusf | lol | 09:07 |
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tortoisedoc | openrepos is very good in many things | 09:14 |
tortoisedoc | but visibility of it? :| | 09:14 |
tortoisedoc | that is the only reason why I am not relying on it | 09:14 |
tortoisedoc | note : visibility of openrepos, NOT of app in openrepos! | 09:15 |
__pv | that it's not visible is a good thing, since it's random binary blobs on the internet | 09:15 |
tortoisedoc | __pv : how can it be good if it limits your download ratio? | 09:15 |
* tbr doesn't install random untrusted blobs from the internet in production | 09:18 | |
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coderus | i dont want to live in paranoia world | 09:26 |
* coderus siicided | 09:26 | |
* coderus suicided* | 09:26 | |
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sandsmark | coderus: obfuscate your QML, obfuscate your .so's and manually load them? :p | 09:30 |
sandsmark | or just statically link in the websockets thing | 09:31 |
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* tachikoma just read about the jolla tablet | 10:55 | |
tachikoma | now I'm dancing on the table :) | 10:55 |
tachikoma | Is there any indication of the timeframe in which this will be made available? | 10:56 |
Nicd- | it says may 2015 | 10:56 |
tachikoma | ah, great, now i just have to convice my wife that i need to preorder it :) | 10:56 |
tachikoma | this made my day :) | 10:57 |
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Nicd- | it's easier to ask for forgiveness than ask for permission ;) | 10:57 |
tachikoma | na, i don't need permission, its more just the "look - we finally can get a tablet" announcement ;) | 10:58 |
tachikoma | I had an android tablet once - emphasis on "had" | 10:58 |
salamisami | lets hope sailfish gets some more native app support then | 10:58 |
salamisami | least you'll be having a sailfish tablet which just loads android apps | 10:59 |
tachikoma | I just need to package my apps ... not much time lately | 10:59 |
Nicd- | yeah, my wife said she doesn't want one because there's no apps for sailfish | 10:59 |
sandsmark | no android apps? | 10:59 |
tachikoma | a memory game where one can add own pictures and some ballon pop game - made them for my kids | 10:59 |
tachikoma | my wife does not care about apps, she just wants a browser | 11:00 |
Acce | Nicd-: what apps does she want? out of interest | 11:00 |
Nicd- | sandsmark: android apps don't cut it except maybe for games. even so you have to download them from aptoide which is shady at best :P | 11:00 |
sandsmark | amazon app store? | 11:00 |
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tachikoma | I need a bluetooth 4 enabled device that can run android apps because i'll get this soon: https://www.makewonder.com/ | 11:00 |
tachikoma | Nicd-: mh, i just use the playstore on my jolla phone | 11:01 |
tachikoma | not that there are any apps i kept longer than a day up to now | 11:01 |
tachikoma | as most sailfish counterparts are faster and less annoying | 11:01 |
tachikoma | well, that is if there are any, but I found everyting i needed up to now and if it was not there (like a memory or ballon pop game) i write them myself. | 11:02 |
tachikoma | I just never found time to package them and go through the release process, should really do that | 11:02 |
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Acce | I must agree with artemma and hopefully many others, that if the paid apps / monetizing support won't be here soon (tm), the app situation won't be better in spring | 11:03 |
Acce | or not much better, at least | 11:03 |
Nicd- | Acce: whatsapp, facebook messenger, facebook app (friends doesn't have everything), banking, decent browser (android opera is ok but you still can't download files nicely) I think mostly | 11:04 |
sandsmark | I want a proper webkit based browser... | 11:04 |
Nicd- | and of course you can't be sure if you'll be able to get new apps for it (think a popular app that's only on google play) | 11:04 |
sandsmark | or hopefully blink based, once qwebengine is released | 11:04 |
Acce | Nicd-: mhmm.. mostly stuff that depends on the will of 3rd parties :/ | 11:04 |
Nicd- | Acce: yep, but the customer doesn't care about that | 11:05 |
Acce | yep | 11:05 |
Acce | for the average customer, they just want things to work and be great | 11:05 |
salamisami | I'm not really excited about the tablet | 11:05 |
tachikoma | Acce: i fully agree, imho that was also a big issue that cause maemo to never really take off app wise | 11:05 |
salamisami | as if we need a huger jolla | 11:05 |
sandsmark | it's not a phone | 11:06 |
Acce | salamisami: we need a smaller jolla :) | 11:06 |
salamisami | yep | 11:06 |
salamisami | n9 form factor | 11:06 |
tachikoma | salamisami: see it this way - i don;t own a tablet because ios and android drive me crazy. so a big jolla is better for me than nothing at all ... | 11:06 |
Acce | I also ordered a tablet.. although I have no idea what to do with it | 11:06 |
salamisami | and camera and audio... and screen of course... i guess thats a bit too much to ask though :P | 11:07 |
Acce | maybe I'll give it to my brother who has kept asking if sailfish is already working on some android tablet | 11:07 |
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Tegu | at least nexus 7? http://www.jollausers.com/2014/09/sailfish-os-alpha-image-for-nexus-7-available-for-download/ | 11:09 |
Acce | yeah, but isn't the ports rather crippled and without the store? | 11:10 |
tachikoma | mh, salamisami I;m very happy with my jolla the way it is ... I'd buy a new one with better hw specs if they fit my requirements but tbh - since i have my jolla i'm happy with it and hopefully it will not break the next few years | 11:10 |
tachikoma | alone that i charge it and after three to five days it still is running on that charge is awesome | 11:11 |
tachikoma | nobody i konw with an android phone has such a runtime | 11:11 |
Nicd- | three to five?! | 11:11 |
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Nicd- | I charge my jolla every night | 11:12 |
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Acce | I charge it every night too | 11:12 |
stephg | Nicd-: I'm the same as you but I don't need to, I can happily get nearly 2 days out of mine but it's just something I do out of habit | 11:12 |
tachikoma | yeah, 3 days at least unless i get stuck on some game and play that for hours or watch some hd movie | 11:12 |
Acce | probably my usage profile | 11:12 |
TemeV | My jolla is having battery hungry day, again. 33% gone already :/ | 11:13 |
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Acce | i'm at nice 84% left, now | 11:13 |
tachikoma | and since i modded in a qi wirless receiver, the phone never goes empty :) | 11:13 |
TemeV | Acce: usually I have that amount too, at this point | 11:13 |
tachikoma | 96% right now | 11:14 |
tachikoma | since 8 this morning | 11:14 |
tachikoma | nope, since 6 am | 11:14 |
TemeV | I just gained an extra % with booting | 11:14 |
Tegu | :D | 11:14 |
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TemeV | I couldn't figure out with light house what was eating my battery so bootin makes it stop | 11:15 |
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artemma | Acce: to be precise: I am far from being sure that paid apps sove the situation. I do have a bit of hope, but it might also have negative effect if developers realize they earn nearly zero money anyway | 11:31 |
artemma | Acce: What I think is needed is *some* motivation for devs to create apps. It doesn't have to be paid app revenue. It can be MSFT style throwing money at devs, or any-other-manufacturer style contests with prizes | 11:32 |
artemma | Acce: Or matchmaking between devs and clients who might not mind getting a sailfish version of their app too if it's cheap. Or just having some single-hiobby-dev oriented prizes (such as free hardware or tickets to Qt/Sailfish conferences) | 11:33 |
Nicd- | are you still deving for sailfish artemma? | 11:34 |
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artemma | Nicd-: not really. For the same reason actually. I've got my immediate fun/fame itch scratched and thinking of what cool to do that could bring some money at least potentially | 11:36 |
artemma | that's web for right now | 11:36 |
* artemma had a contact with one potential sailfish app client, but that didnt end up with a contract yet. BTW this would have been way easier with centralized JollaHQ promotion | 11:36 | |
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Acce | artemma: yes it's true that even with the support, it does not mean that money will come flowing in for the devs.. such dev activities as competitions and so on would definitely be fruitful | 11:45 |
ln- | i don't suppose anyone would be coding for sailfish purely for money, expecting a stable income. not at this point anyway. | 11:47 |
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Acce | yes, not at this point, but shouldn't it be one of their goals, to create ecosystem which creates business | 11:48 |
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ln- | certainly | 11:49 |
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Acce | well, if I think only about myself, I'm happy as long as the device exists, is developed and great people are doing stuff with it | 11:52 |
Acce | but I have a voice in my head saying it's not possible unless it becomes good business for Jolla :< | 11:52 |
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King_DuckZ | hello, I've got a problem with the wifi at my new workplace | 11:58 |
King_DuckZ | I can connect to the wifi, it works for a few minutes (10-30 mins usually) then everything starts timing out | 11:58 |
King_DuckZ | so the phone is still connected to the AP (or so it says, reporting good signal and all) and thus doesn't fall back to 4G network | 11:59 |
King_DuckZ | only fix is to disable and re-enable the wifi on the phone, but then the problem happens again | 11:59 |
King_DuckZ | the sysadmin says everything's fine with the wifi, and my co-worker sitting right next to me has no problems at all with his mac laptop | 12:00 |
King_DuckZ | on the other hand this is the first time I have this problem with my jolla phone... any clue on which side the problem could be? | 12:01 |
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phaeron | sounds like dhcp lease is quite short | 12:12 |
phaeron | tigeli: ^^ | 12:12 |
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tigeli | King_DuckZ: which version do you have running on the device? | 12:12 |
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coderus | i cannot use RPM validator in SDK, it's drunk: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9146959 | 12:15 |
King_DuckZ | tigeli: 1.0.8.21 | 12:15 |
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tigeli | King_DuckZ: ok, the dhcp renewal is broken on it | 12:17 |
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King_DuckZ | tigeli: ok, so not the sysadmin's fault? should I just wait for the update? | 12:17 |
tigeli | King_DuckZ: however, partial fix is available on opt-in update9 (1.1.0.39) | 12:17 |
tigeli | King_DuckZ: and fully fixed on the upcoming update | 12:18 |
tigeli | King_DuckZ: if you want to get it fixed now you can opt-in for u9 | 12:18 |
tigeli | King_DuckZ: yes, not sysadmins fault.. | 12:18 |
King_DuckZ | I'll wait for the "stable" update | 12:18 |
King_DuckZ | is there a date for it yet? | 12:18 |
Bysmyyr_ | nope | 12:18 |
tigeli | "real soon now" | 12:18 |
pp_ | Soon (tm) | 12:18 |
King_DuckZ | :D | 12:19 |
Armadillo | stay tuned tm | 12:19 |
Bysmyyr_ | ooh, "real" soon, sounds interesting | 12:19 |
King_DuckZ | will do :D | 12:19 |
tigeli | King_DuckZ: only thing your sysadmin could do is to set the lease timers bit higher (something like 7days) :) | 12:19 |
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King_DuckZ | tigeli: ok, I'll tell him, in case he feels merry and wants to help me... but I doubt it :p | 12:20 |
King_DuckZ | thanks for the help | 12:20 |
tigeli | King_DuckZ: as being sysadmin I don't get the idea of having really low lease time, ever (unless you really are short of ip-addresses). | 12:21 |
King_DuckZ | tigeli: I think they are... they've been tinkering with the wifi twice already, and I've only been at this company for 3 weekes | 12:22 |
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tigeli | King_DuckZ: ok :) | 12:22 |
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King_DuckZ | speaking of the upcoming update that will happen very soon... :) | 12:23 |
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Armadillo | tigeli depends of the usage of your ip range ;) | 12:23 |
King_DuckZ | anybody knows if the bugs with music on the sd memory are fixed? | 12:23 |
stephg | King_DuckZ: what bugs? | 12:25 |
King_DuckZ | those like music not being detected in the player app or being shuffled up in the "no-artist" group | 12:25 |
King_DuckZ | when detected at all | 12:26 |
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King_DuckZ | no? not fixed? I can't find the discussion on jollatogether but I'm sure there was one | 12:34 |
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King_DuckZ | I remember a dude complaining that as it was his supa dupa expensive sd card was completely useless | 12:35 |
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stephg | well I have plenty of music on mine and it's all largely in the right place | 12:35 |
King_DuckZ | stephg: what sailfish version? | 12:36 |
King_DuckZ | just checked again, if I go to album->unknown album all my music from the sd is in there mixed up, but the same exact music is on the internal memory, and that shows up correctly | 12:38 |
King_DuckZ | in the right albums, with covers and all | 12:38 |
stephg | King_DuckZ u9 | 12:38 |
stephg | have you rebuilt tracker? | 12:38 |
King_DuckZ | not that I know... but I never enabled dev mode in case that's needed | 12:39 |
stephg | if you don't have dev mode | 12:43 |
stephg | I think there are apps in the store that can rebuild the tracker index | 12:43 |
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sandsmark | coderus: maybe you need to set the rpath manually? | 12:44 |
Armadillo | I only know Sailfish Utilities, but it is only available with update9 i think? | 12:45 |
stephg | hmm apparently not in the store | 12:46 |
stephg | sure I saw one somewhere | 12:46 |
King_DuckZ | ah I just looked for tracker and found nothing :/ | 12:47 |
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stephg | there is one in warehouse | 12:48 |
coderus | sandsmark: it already set. | 12:50 |
sandsmark | huh | 12:50 |
sandsmark | checked with readelf or whatever? | 12:50 |
sandsmark | readelf -a binary | grep RP | 12:51 |
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King_DuckZ | stephg: but still, installing warehouse or enabling dev mode shouldn't be required to get basic functionality... hence my question: will the problem be fixed in the next release? | 12:52 |
stephg | King_DuckZ: I don't disagree but if the index is messed up 'fixing it in the next release' won't help | 12:53 |
King_DuckZ | stephg: can I fix it without installing warehouse? I don't want to enable external rpms either... | 12:54 |
King_DuckZ | like idk, delete all the music I have? | 12:54 |
stephg | I'm just thinking | 12:55 |
stephg | and I hear you about external rpms | 12:55 |
stephg | you need to stop tracker, delete it's index some how and start it again | 12:55 |
stephg | (and even then it may not fix your problem) | 12:56 |
stephg | step 3 is easy (reboot) | 12:56 |
King_DuckZ | uninstall the media player? | 12:56 |
stephg | no | 12:56 |
stephg | tracker is a service that's used by more than the media player | 12:56 |
stephg | step 2 can be done with a file manager | 12:56 |
King_DuckZ | so this tracker thing is a daemon? ie not part of the player? | 12:56 |
King_DuckZ | ok | 12:56 |
stephg | but step 1 is hard without a terminal | 12:56 |
King_DuckZ | I think this is it https://together.jolla.com/question/50744/media-no-longer-recognising-album-info-after-update-10819/ there are other posts surely | 12:58 |
King_DuckZ | can I enable dev mode, run that command and disable it afterwards? | 12:58 |
stephg | yep | 12:58 |
King_DuckZ | I'm put off by that "you could void your warranty" advice | 12:58 |
stephg | well if you're worried don't do it | 12:59 |
stephg | but if you're careful it's safe | 12:59 |
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stephg | as in that thread | 13:00 |
stephg | "tracker-control -se" is what you want to do | 13:00 |
King_DuckZ | well I've been a gentoo user for a while, it's not like I'm awkward with the command line... just I'm worried about commands that have side effects I didn't know about | 13:00 |
King_DuckZ | ok... do I need to delete music first/remove sd? | 13:00 |
stephg | no | 13:01 |
King_DuckZ | ok I'll try doing that now then | 13:01 |
stephg | root isn't needed either | 13:02 |
stephg | oh maybe it is | 13:02 |
stephg | or maybe not | 13:02 |
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King_DuckZ | what's the root password? | 13:03 |
Yaniel | not needed | 13:03 |
King_DuckZ | just "su -" ? or does it use sudo? | 13:03 |
stephg | neither | 13:04 |
stephg | devel-su | 13:04 |
Yaniel | and you should use devel-su with the password you set in dev mode settings | 13:04 |
stephg | root pass is whatever it says in the developer tools settings | 13:04 |
stephg | (or whatever you set it to there | 13:04 |
stephg | ) | 13:04 |
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King_DuckZ | ok... it's rebooting now | 13:04 |
stephg | don't think root is needed for this tho | 13:04 |
King_DuckZ | k I'll try as user first | 13:04 |
Yaniel | it isn't | 13:04 |
Yaniel | actually it might notwork at all as root | 13:05 |
Yaniel | because it uses ~/.config etc afaik | 13:05 |
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stephg | indexes seem to be undere ~nemo/.cache/tracker | 13:06 |
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King_DuckZ | so first step is rm ~nemo/.cache/tracker/* ? | 13:06 |
King_DuckZ | or tracker-control -se is all I need? | 13:07 |
Yaniel | tracker-control -r does that | 13:07 |
stephg | a tracker-control -r does a reset | 13:07 |
stephg | i.e. blows them away | 13:07 |
King_DuckZ | k | 13:07 |
Yaniel | -s starts indexing | 13:07 |
stephg | tracker-control --help-all shows you everything | 13:08 |
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coderus | Sailors, this is best RPM i can make, can you verify it? https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26659227/harbour-lgremote-webos-0.1.4-1.armv7hl.rpm | 13:09 |
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Armadillo | coderus http://pastebin.com/5HVviAdm | 13:11 |
King_DuckZ | hm I should probably delete the copy on the internal memory first tho... I'm going to lunch and do that, ttyl | 13:11 |
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stephg | g'luck! | 13:11 |
coderus | Armadillo: thanks | 13:12 |
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coderus | Armadillo: now it looks good :) | 13:12 |
Armadillo | :) | 13:12 |
Armadillo | np | 13:12 |
coderus | why my validator showing some different drunk results? | 13:12 |
Armadillo | maybe something went wrong at a former update | 13:12 |
coderus | well, it was 1407, i'll try with 1410 now | 13:13 |
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Armadillo | I used the old version | 13:13 |
Armadillo | any pending updates on the "Updates" page in the sdk? | 13:14 |
coderus | no | 13:15 |
Armadillo | hm | 13:15 |
locusf | that separate version is quite tricky | 13:15 |
Armadillo | never had problems with the validator in the past | 13:15 |
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coderus | i have following output with 1410: http://paste.ubuntu.com/9148058 | 13:17 |
Armadillo | you built the package with 1407 or 1410? | 13:18 |
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coderus | 1407 | 13:22 |
Armadillo | strange behaviour^^ | 13:23 |
coderus | Armadillo: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/26659227/jolla/harbour-lgremote-webos-0.1.4-1.armv7hl.rpm | 13:31 |
coderus | test this one please | 13:31 |
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Armadillo | passed | 13:32 |
Armadillo | http://pastebin.com/xiqF8TT7 | 13:33 |
coderus | omg | 13:34 |
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coderus | NOW JUST PRESS APPROVE BUTTON FOR webOS TV Remote APPLICATION!!! | 13:41 |
Armadillo | ^^ | 13:42 |
ln- | congrats | 13:42 |
coderus | please :D | 13:43 |
coderus | even if you have no LG SmartTV with webOS in Finland | 13:44 |
Armadillo | may takt until monday | 13:44 |
coderus | it's working :) | 13:44 |
Armadillo | take | 13:44 |
coderus | i'm using it every day :D | 13:44 |
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coderus | i know, you will use it yourself and not approve it to anybody :D | 13:44 |
Nicd- | we have webos tvs here | 13:45 |
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coderus | Nicd-: oh, great :) | 13:46 |
coderus | it will makes easier for QA to test application :) | 13:47 |
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Armadillo | the "empty sync xml cache" problem is really getting on my nervs now | 13:50 |
Armadillo | with nearly every update 9 system crash some or all of my accounts sync because of the empty files | 13:51 |
Armadillo | >.< | 13:51 |
Armadillo | +don't | 13:51 |
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King_DuckZ | I have bad news and good news | 13:54 |
King_DuckZ | bad news is lease time can't be changed, good news is music is now correctly listed in the media player (at least for now) | 13:55 |
Armadillo | :D | 13:55 |
Armadillo | congratz | 13:55 |
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stephg | King_DuckZ: \o/ | 14:14 |
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Mikkosssss_ | Is this bug known? For some reason I cant chose any of email sync times on account settings. My email wont sync at all but manually. Is there any fix? Havent tried delete account yet. | 16:50 |
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Nc_ | you can get email to sync? *impressed* | 16:55 |
Mikkosssss_ | ? | 16:59 |
Mikkosssss_ | Am I using wrong word | 16:59 |
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energycsdx | is something like this for sailfish os? | 17:01 |
energycsdx | http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-2OszLP2Mz8g/Ur1tF3t7XMI/AAAAAAAHHu4/CkM-THk1ASU/s1600/2013-12-27+12.05.16.png | 17:01 |
anYc | Mikkosssss_: I think I saw something regarding that in the announcements of the upcoming updates, but I'm not sure | 17:03 |
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Mikkosssss_ | It worked before but stopped without any changes to settings. | 17:04 |
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anYc | can't find it anymore. maybe https://together.jolla.com/question/58735/e-mail-app-no-possibility-to-choose-specified-sync-intervals/ helps? | 17:08 |
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Nc_ | Mikkosssss_, no, you're probably not using the word wrong - I've just only every once managed to get email sync'ed with my Jolla phone :) | 17:20 |
Nc_ | *only ever once | 17:20 |
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Sidde | remember that i had problem getting my mail to sync. If one account had any errors in ports or similar. None would sync | 17:23 |
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coderus | energycsdx: something similar is https://openrepos.net/content/basil/system-monitor | 17:30 |
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coderus | energycsdx: you can post your suggestions here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93824 | 17:35 |
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Mikkosssss_ | Heres setting that wont work. It worked before https://www.dropbox.com/s/k4ij1v7ks86aovd/paint-21112014-194102.png?dl=0 | 17:45 |
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tigeli | Mikkosssss_: have you tried recreating the account? | 17:51 |
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Mikkosssss_ | I said before that havent. But do I lose my emails or are they all gonna load back? | 17:56 |
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tigeli | Mikkosssss_: no, they don't get deleted.. at least by jolla, unless you use pop3 and have deleted them with some other device | 18:01 |
tigeli | Mikkosssss_: but jolla does not delete them | 18:01 |
tigeli | when it's fetchin em | 18:01 |
tigeli | Mikkosssss_: with imap4 emails are not deleted unless you explitly delete the mails | 18:01 |
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Mikkosssss_ | I mean is my Jolla going to load them back to this device or I will it start from 0 email received? cant remeber when I set up my email did it load some old emails | 18:03 |
Yaniel | it should fetch them when it syncs | 18:03 |
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Mikkosssss_ | If not I can always use pulley menu from bottom to fetch more till I find ehat I am looking for | 18:04 |
Mikkosssss_ | I try delete account | 18:04 |
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Mikkosssss_ | Well it worked and it lets me now change setting | 18:07 |
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Nc_ | What other device-related identifiers would a Jolla phone/device have outside of IMEI/IMSI ? | 18:25 |
Stskeeps | MAC? | 18:25 |
Stskeeps | bluetooth and wifi | 18:25 |
* Nc_ ponders | 18:26 | |
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Nc_ | I would assume MAC would be unavailable if Wifi/BT was switched off | 18:27 |
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Stskeeps | mm yes and no | 18:27 |
tigeli | Nc_: imsi is not related really jolla device but tied to sim | 18:27 |
tigeli | to | 18:27 |
Nc_ | tigeli, sure :) but assuming SIM isn't thrown away daily, is a was to track user | 18:28 |
tigeli | Nc_: yes.. and even then it would be listed on /var/lib/ofono | 18:28 |
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Nc_ | Anyways, am thinking non-HW specific IDs - am writing my own lib for tracking app use, and trying to determine if there is an ID I can use across apps | 18:30 |
Nc_ | MAC/IMEI/IMSI are little too close to HW for my liking | 18:30 |
tbr | the last time someone wanted to add tracked app usage they got quite a storm out of people | 18:32 |
Nc_ | Fair enough :) | 18:32 |
Nc_ | but theres a difference between tracking users, and tracking anonymous usage - am hoping people recognise that | 18:33 |
tbr | you just asked about unique device identifiers, that doesn't sound anonymous at all | 18:34 |
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Nc_ | correct - am trying to understand what is there | 18:35 |
Nc_ | e.g. whether there is a sane way to track using the same (anonymous) ID across apps | 18:35 |
Nc_ | HW based ID aren't all that anonymous though, which is why I want to avoid them | 18:36 |
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grzywacz | Nc_, just pull one out of /dev/urandom on first run or something? ;) | 18:42 |
Nc_ | grzywacz, pretty much what I'm thinking about - though still have the idea to keep it across apps | 18:43 |
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Sfiet_Konstantin | Yay | 18:57 |
* Sfiet_Konstantin found new Sailfish hack ! | 18:57 | |
Stskeeps | oh? | 18:59 |
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Sfiet_Konstantin | Stskeeps: UI side | 19:01 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | as usual | 19:01 |
Sfiet_Konstantin | less patching required | 19:01 |
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Stskeeps | nod | 19:02 |
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kimmoli | need to have landscape support on screencapture too https://app.younited.com/?shareObject=52c329e2-7286-573a-b3b7-86d2bd282a21 | 19:32 |
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kimmoli | Stskeeps: still at HEL? | 19:41 |
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ulvus | Hi -:) | 19:43 |
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artemma | Nc_: there is QML module for mixpanel stats service https://github.com/amarchen/Mixpanel-qml and open source Sailfish Wikipedia app that uses it with Random id when harware-based imei isn't available https://github.com/amarchen/Wikipedia May or may not be useful for you | 19:51 |
Nc_ | Cheers artemma - will take a look :D | 19:52 |
artemma | What's the Sailfish/Silica way for endless (or very ling lists)? Is it endless loading (with spinner?) or pulley menu with Load more in the bottom? | 19:52 |
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artemma | I wasn't watching sailfish news for a few months, any UI guidelines were published or are we still in the "you are developers. figure out some good style" mode? | 19:53 |
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coderus | artemma: load more in pushupmenu | 19:54 |
artemma | thx | 19:54 |
artemma | is it only for the line-based lists or for large grid items (a'la gallery) too? | 19:55 |
coderus | and i know only one guideline: https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/sailfish-application-pitfalls.html | 19:55 |
coderus | artemma: for any | 19:55 |
artemma | nice page, thx, will check | 19:56 |
coderus | but i personally prefer out-of-bounds loading trigger | 19:56 |
artemma | hmm, it means that current system photo Gallery breaks the pattern doesn't it? I think it has endless list | 19:56 |
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artemma | nice page BTW, though I somehow expected same to be written as "how to do things properly" rather than "here's what you could have done wrong" :) | 19:57 |
coderus | artemma: for most cases ListView/GridView dynamically delegates loading mechanism is good enough | 19:58 |
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artemma | ah, indeed, it's a listview responsibility to decide, that is endless list always | 19:58 |
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OldDroid | hey hey | 20:37 |
OldDroid | couzld someone link me to the "open"ed "source? | 20:38 |
tigeli | OldDroid: please elaborate a bit more | 20:38 |
OldDroid | well, sialfish calls itself an open source community project | 20:39 |
OldDroid | where is the entire source for building it for devices then? | 20:39 |
coderus | OldDroid: where did you saw "sialfish calls itself an open source community project" ? | 20:40 |
OldDroid | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBQdfcLhts8 | 20:42 |
OldDroid | 1:06 | 20:42 |
OldDroid | open source software called sailfish | 20:42 |
OldDroid | so where it is? | 20:43 |
OldDroid | i'm googling around but can't find it ... | 20:43 |
OldDroid | like to port it over to my n5 :P | 20:43 |
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OldDroid | btw sorry for my writing mistakes | 20:44 |
sandsmark | OldDroid: there's a separate channel for that | 20:44 |
OldDroid | send it to me instead of just talking about that ^^ | 20:45 |
sandsmark | I don't remember it | 20:46 |
Tegu | afaik some UI parts are closed source.. (feel free to correct) | 20:46 |
salamisami | Hey | 20:47 |
salamisami | Since MitaKuuluu users were getting banned for using 3rd party software to access whatsapp services | 20:47 |
salamisami | Are they also banning Openwhatsapp users? | 20:47 |
salamisami | and Yappari? | 20:47 |
OldDroid | umm, noo, open source system called sailfish | 20:48 |
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OldDroid | so atleast a gerrit/git combi would be cool | 20:48 |
TemeV | OldDroid: there is some closed source parts. If you're interested on porting, join #sailfishos-porters and ask there for details | 20:49 |
sandsmark | OldDroid: Google around, it's probably ported already | 20:49 |
pavi | When I download sailfish SDK which installed properly. But QT designer crashes saying some Open gl issue | 20:49 |
pavi | Renderer failed shader compilation | 20:49 |
OldDroid | naah, a real dev always wants to get the newest version | 20:49 |
pavi | QOpenGLShader::compile(Vertex): failed | 20:49 |
pavi | I am using debian wheezy 64 bit BTW | 20:50 |
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pavi | It says "Segmentation fault" does it mean I have to run GDB for better output ? | 20:52 |
pavi | Is this the right place to ask about the SDK ? | 20:56 |
TemeV | pavi: yes, this is the right place :) | 20:57 |
TemeV | (I guess...) :) | 20:57 |
TemeV | so many channels, I'm not always sure which one I'm chatting at :) | 20:58 |
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pavi | TemeV, ahh ok , I was wondering if there is one for app development | 20:58 |
TemeV | Well, this is it | 20:58 |
TemeV | #jollamobile, for other Jolla chat | 20:58 |
pavi | TemeV, so I am unable to run the SDK . | 20:59 |
pavi | I removed .config/SailfishBeta1/ and later I got a slightly different error QByteArray ProjectExplorer::runGcc(const Utils::FileName&, const QStringList&, const QStringList&): "/home/pavi/.config/SailfishBeta1/mer-sdk-tools/MerSDK/SailfishOS-i486/gcc" "-xc++ -E -dM -" returned exit code 1: "" | 21:00 |
TemeV | Yeah, I don't really know how to help you with that. I'm using it with LMDE (basically debian with linux mint flavors) and it's working fine | 21:00 |
pavi | TemeV, ahh ok | 21:00 |
pavi | I think normally segmentation errors come because of mismatched binaries. since the binaries are made by Jolla , nothing could be done on it but to ask here. | 21:01 |
pavi | Maybe I should try maling list | 21:01 |
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pavi | I was searching for the error at http://www.mail-archive.com/devel@lists.sailfishos.org/ | 21:02 |
pavi | But looks like no one got anything like that | 21:02 |
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coderus | salamisami: no | 21:32 |
coderus | OldDroid: sailfish in process of publishing sources | 21:33 |
coderus | OldDroid: it will be done when it will be ready, sources match choosed license and etc. | 21:34 |
coderus | OldDroid: for that moment you cannot build sailfish from sources, only use sailfish repositories | 21:34 |
OldDroid | shouldn't be the problem | 21:34 |
salamisami | So it is safe to use other 3rd party whatsapp clients but not mitakuuluu? | 21:35 |
salamisami | Seems weird to me | 21:35 |
salamisami | but great because i'm getting an n9 next week | 21:36 |
coderus | salamisami: i can't tell exactly | 21:36 |
coderus | salamisami: what app you using? | 21:36 |
salamisami | Currently I have n900 and at least i have not been banned :P | 21:36 |
salamisami | using yappari i meant to say | 21:36 |
coderus | salamisami: Yappari is not affected | 21:36 |
coderus | all apps using old protocol are not affected | 21:37 |
salamisami | Oh okay | 21:37 |
salamisami | nice to hear | 21:37 |
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salamisami | thanks | 21:37 |
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tigeli | OldDroid: http://images.formeego.org/jolla/sources/ | 21:41 |
OldDroid | perfect! | 21:42 |
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tigeli | OldDroid: then there is #sailfishos-porters | 21:47 |
kengu | uuh. porter | 21:48 |
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edips | hi, im a pysider :) | 22:04 |
edips | im also a pyothersider :)) | 22:05 |
keithzg | Are there any example Qt Creator PyOtherSide projects out there? I'm tempted to play around, and I swear I remember making a basic test one before, but . . . uhh . . . I entirely forget, heh. | 22:05 |
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edips | it was a fun, i tryed to do something too with pyotherside, but i couldnt succee. my purpose was making an application for android using pyotherside. now M4rtin and Thomas overcame it, it is available to run pyotherside with android | 22:08 |
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edips | i think there are totally about 20+ exaples about pyotherside on opensource | 22:09 |
edips | sailfishosers are silent today | 22:14 |
Jare | pavi: if you can get a log of that segfault by running qtcreator in gdb, send a link to me or send the log to the mailing list | 22:16 |
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Jare | pavi: qtcreator2.x didn't use opengl rendering, but qtcreator3 uses it for some parts of the ui. So i'm sure there will be bugs regarding that difference in operation | 22:18 |
pavi | Jare thanks for the repy will do it | 22:18 |
pavi | Jare, a small question , I deleted the .config folder of SDK , should I reinstall ? | 22:18 |
Jare | no need for reinstall, the default config will be copied there from the sdk install dir, when you start qtcreator next time | 22:19 |
pavi | ahh cool so lemme run it on gdb | 22:20 |
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pavi | Jare, Debugger output http://dpaste.com/0A4K6KY | 22:31 |
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Jare | pavi: and this is on lmde running on a physical machine and not a vm? Is this all you get, if you write "bt" to the gdb command line after the qtcreator has terminated? | 22:46 |
pavi | Its not LMDE its debian wheezy | 22:47 |
pavi | In this case the qt creator is stuck . Before it was vanishing completely | 22:47 |
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pavi | Jare, After running BT my X crashed | 22:57 |
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pavi | Jare, It hangs and doesnt actually crash and I cant close or quit it . I had to manuall send a kill to close it | 23:02 |
pavi | The bt output I got maynot be whatyou are expecting http://dpaste.com/3AD3NQ1 | 23:02 |
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coderus | pavi: do you have opengl enabled? new qt5 may not work with no acceleration. | 23:17 |
pavi | glxgears work for me | 23:17 |
pavi | coderus, dependency? | 23:18 |
pavi | coderus, it says OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ivybridge Mobile | 23:21 |
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coderus | what version of xserver-xorg-video-intel? | 23:27 |
coderus | and tell kernel version | 23:28 |
Jare | ^ ping timeout | 23:30 |
Jare | anyway there are various hits in qt bugreports, so it could be also one of those | 23:30 |
xkr47 | hi | 23:31 |
xkr47 | I just installed the sdk and is trying to deploy the hello world project to my jolla phone | 23:32 |
xkr47 | for some reason the /usr/share/Test1/qml directory ended up with permissions so that only root can acces it | 23:33 |
xkr47 | so the application then fails, saying "File not found" when trying to access files inside that directory | 23:33 |
xkr47 | I first tried "deploy by copying binaries" and then "deploy as rpm package" but.. | 23:34 |
coderus | xkr47: hello | 23:36 |
coderus | 1. what is your host os? | 23:36 |
xkr47 | Ubuntu something | 23:37 |
xkr47 | I wonder if my umask setting could have an impact | 23:37 |
xkr47 | it's 027 | 23:37 |
coderus | 2. check qml fiolder and contents permissions in your project folder | 23:37 |
xkr47 | now I quit the qtcreator, changed it to 022 and started again, but didn't help; maybe it does not update permissions later | 23:37 |
coderus | you probably need to uninstall app and rm -rf /usr/share/Test1 from device | 23:38 |
xkr47 | bah, gotta go now, but thanks, I'll have to continue tomorrow | 23:38 |
xkr47 | how do I do that? can I get to root somehow ? | 23:38 |
coderus | problem in permissions in your project folder anyway | 23:38 |
xkr47 | anyway, thanks and cu | 23:38 |
coderus | xsure, devel-su is your friend | 23:39 |
xkr47 | thx! | 23:39 |
coderus | xkr47: | 23:39 |
xkr47 | cu | 23:39 |
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pavi | coderus, Jare I think the issue is with "OpenGL direct rendering was set to no" , I rebooted to mint and check where it was set to "yes" and the same binary ran but ofcourse it had other issues to do with not finding VM which was again in debian | 23:44 |
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