Friday, 2014-11-21

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SaberAltriaAnyone know the cluster size of Jolla storage?00:14
sandsmarkI saw it on together00:15
SaberAltria1024 right?00:16
SaberAltriaI saw tutroial mentioned the page should be same as the cluster size so as to improve the performance00:17
sandsmarksorry, I don't remember :/00:18
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SaberAltriaabout openreops. if my package was first named as habour-abcd in my repository, then I changed its name to harbour-efgh, does this will make the user not able to update ?01:16
SaberAltriaharbour-abcd 0.0-1 to harbour-efgh 0.0.201:17
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ParkerRsledges, Yo...02:26
ParkerRI'm thinking about buying the tablet02:26
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Armadilloneed a hotfix for my app :-/08:05
Armadillowill there be a QA run in the next hours?08:05
tigeliArmadillo: I don't think there's passing lane on the qa, but you could contact and ask for it08:10
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ArmadilloI'll do that, thanks08:11
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Armadilloalthough the problem doesn't need an instant lane passing08:12
Armadilloonly a release today would be helpful08:13
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coderusGoodbye Harbour QA and Jolla Store, i will never meet you again anytime in future,i promise:
tortoisedoccoderus : is websockets really disallowed?08:22
coderustortoisedoc: i build it myself for both u8 and u9 and bundled08:23
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tigelicoderus: you could read the faq, all of those errors are fixable08:24
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coderustigeli: no, thanks08:25
coderusno more tries to publish app in harbour08:25
tortoisedoccoderus : rome was not build in a day ;)=08:25
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coderusi'm not a trained puppy to do it08:26
Armadillodidn't the rpm validator inform you about the problem?08:26
coderusharbour.coderus.websockets is good import name for me08:26
coderusi dont want to rebuild it for every app i want to publish in qa08:27
coderussame for libraries i'm using08:27
coderusERROR [/usr/share/harbour-lgremote-webos/lib9/] Library in wrong location (must be in /usr/share/harbour-lgremote-webos/lib/)08:27
coderusthis one is not fixable08:27
coderusi dont want to rename libraries just for harbour08:27
tigelicoderus: rename.. you have it in wrong directory08:28
tortoisedoccoderus : /usr/share/harbour-lgremote-webos/lib/9/... ?08:28
tortoisedoca bit of work and tak validated :)08:28
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coderustigeli: i have lib dir for u8 libs and lib9 for u9 libs08:29
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coderuslibs have same name because it same libs compiled for different Qt versions08:29
coderusi dont want to rename libs just for puttilg both libs versions in same lib folder08:29
Armadillolib/8/ and lib/9/ should do the job I think08:30
coderusno thanks08:30
coderusmy files are under /usr/share/appname08:30
coderusand i'll decide folders names to put files08:31
coderusnot harbout, but thanks for suggestion08:31
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tortoisedocor even08:35
coderusi just wake up in a good mood after Jolla Tablet reached one million dollars, i slept thninking "what a great company Jolla", but when i wake up i read app reject notes and i think Jolla is not so good as i imagined08:36
tortoisedoc /usr/share/harbour-lgremote-webos/lib/
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tortoisedoccoderus : do not mix rejection with delusion :P08:36
Nicd-coderus: they're not doing it to annoy you. they have a set of rules and have to follow it for every app. if you don't like some rule, you should make a TJC post about it for example08:37
coderusthe only reasonable reject reason i see is missed __provides_exclude in my package08:38
coderusevery other reason is bullshit08:38
tortoisedocgreat company != easy rules :/08:39
tortoisedocpublishing in harbour is not easy, it is easy if you follow the rules08:39
tortoisedocbut not publishing in harbour because of this, kind of makes it seem a lazy thing :/08:40
SK_workcoderus: first workaround for imports: rename the import (hard) or bundle the qml files in resources (easy)08:40
tortoisedoc(or a resource constraint)08:40
tortoisedocim sure the case of coderus is the second one08:41
tortoisedocbut in that case, it would have been better to gain more information on harbour process before starting adaptation08:41
coderuswell, if i get enough retweets i will publish it to harbour with imports names like "HarbourQaIsBestQaInTheWorld" and so08:42
SK_workcoderus: lol08:43
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tortoisedoccoderus : revenge is a dish best served cold :P08:43
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coderusnot revenge08:45
Nicd-coderus: please don't waste the QA's time08:45
coderusNicd-: :D08:46
Nicd-it's a fun joke but they probably have enough to do already08:46
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coderusNicd-: if i want to waste QA time i'll publish mitakuuluu and get 1k rejection log :D08:46
SK_workcoderus: you have the auto rpm checker in the sdk before submitting to harbour08:47
coderusSK_work: i never used it sorry08:47
coderusand have no idea if it exists in my installation or i already removed it by small mistake, lol ._.08:47
Nicd-you should use it :P08:48
SK_workyou can, if you don't want to waste 48h to wait for messages about libs not in the right path08:48
SK_workcoderus: Sailfish SDK Qt Creator08:48
coderusNicd-: no more08:48
SK_workthe "Sailfish logo"08:48
coderusyou will never see my apps in jolla store :D08:48
coderusstart liking openrepos08:48
SK_workyou have a webview. In the top header click on validate rpm or something like this08:48
SK_workcoderus: well08:49
SK_workit depends on who you targets08:49
SK_worknot everybody have openrepos08:49
coderusas i said the only reasonable rejection reason is __provides_exclude08:49
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tortoisedocopenrepos is very good in many things09:14
tortoisedocbut visibility of it? :|09:14
tortoisedocthat is the only reason why I am not relying on it09:14
tortoisedocnote : visibility of openrepos, NOT of app in openrepos!09:15
__pvthat it's not visible is a good thing, since it's random binary blobs on the internet09:15
tortoisedoc__pv : how can it be good if it limits your download ratio?09:15
* tbr doesn't install random untrusted blobs from the internet in production09:18
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coderusi dont want to live in paranoia world09:26
* coderus siicided09:26
* coderus suicided*09:26
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sandsmarkcoderus: obfuscate your QML, obfuscate your .so's and manually load them? :p09:30
sandsmarkor just statically link in the websockets thing09:31
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* tachikoma just read about the jolla tablet10:55
tachikomanow I'm dancing on the table :)10:55
tachikomaIs there any indication of the timeframe in which this will be made available?10:56
Nicd-it says may 201510:56
tachikomaah, great, now i just have to convice my wife that i need to preorder it :)10:56
tachikomathis made my day :)10:57
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Nicd-it's easier to ask for forgiveness than ask for permission ;)10:57
tachikomana, i don't need permission, its more just the "look - we finally can get a tablet" announcement ;)10:58
tachikomaI had an android tablet once - emphasis on "had"10:58
salamisamilets hope sailfish gets some more native app support then10:58
salamisamileast you'll be having a sailfish tablet which just loads android apps10:59
tachikomaI just need to package my apps ... not much time lately10:59
Nicd-yeah, my wife said she doesn't want one because there's no apps for sailfish10:59
sandsmarkno android apps?10:59
tachikomaa memory game where one can add own pictures and some ballon pop game - made them for my kids10:59
tachikomamy wife does not care about apps, she just wants a browser11:00
AcceNicd-: what apps does she want? out of interest11:00
Nicd-sandsmark: android apps don't cut it except maybe for games. even so you have to download them from aptoide which is shady at best :P11:00
sandsmarkamazon app store?11:00
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tachikomaI need a bluetooth 4 enabled device that can run android apps because i'll get this soon:
tachikomaNicd-: mh, i just use the playstore on my jolla phone11:01
tachikomanot that there are any apps i kept longer than a day up to now11:01
tachikomaas most sailfish counterparts are faster and less annoying11:01
tachikomawell, that is if there are any, but I found everyting i needed up to now and if it was not there (like a memory or ballon pop game) i write them myself.11:02
tachikomaI just never found time to package them and go through the release process, should really do that11:02
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AcceI must agree with artemma and hopefully many others, that if the paid apps / monetizing support won't be here soon (tm), the app situation won't be better in spring11:03
Acceor not much better, at least11:03
Nicd-Acce: whatsapp, facebook messenger, facebook app (friends doesn't have everything), banking, decent browser (android opera is ok but you still can't download files nicely) I think mostly11:04
sandsmarkI want a proper webkit based browser...11:04
Nicd-and of course you can't be sure if you'll be able to get new apps for it (think a popular app that's only on google play)11:04
sandsmarkor hopefully blink based, once qwebengine is released11:04
AcceNicd-: mhmm.. mostly stuff that depends on the will of 3rd parties :/11:04
Nicd-Acce: yep, but the customer doesn't care about that11:05
Accefor the average customer, they just want things to work and be great11:05
salamisamiI'm not really excited about the tablet11:05
tachikomaAcce: i fully agree, imho that was also a big issue that cause maemo to never really take off app wise11:05
salamisamias if we need a huger jolla11:05
sandsmarkit's not a phone11:06
Accesalamisami: we need a smaller jolla :)11:06
salamisamin9 form factor11:06
tachikomasalamisami: see it this way - i don;t own a tablet because ios and android drive me crazy. so a big jolla is better for me than nothing at all ...11:06
AcceI also ordered a tablet.. although I have no idea what to do with it11:06
salamisamiand camera and audio... and screen of course... i guess thats a bit too much to ask though :P11:07
Accemaybe I'll give it to my brother who has kept asking if sailfish is already working on some android tablet11:07
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Teguat least nexus 7?
Acceyeah, but isn't the ports rather crippled and without the store?11:10
tachikomamh, salamisami I;m very happy with my jolla the way it is ... I'd buy a new one with better hw specs if they fit my requirements but tbh - since i have my jolla i'm happy with it and hopefully it will not break the next few years11:10
tachikomaalone that i charge it and after three to five days it still is running on that charge is awesome11:11
tachikomanobody i konw with an android phone has such a runtime11:11
Nicd-three to five?!11:11
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Nicd-I charge my jolla every night11:12
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AcceI charge it every night too11:12
stephgNicd-: I'm the same as you but I don't need to, I can happily get nearly 2 days out of mine but it's just something I do out of habit11:12
tachikomayeah, 3 days at least unless i get stuck on some game and play that for hours or watch some hd movie11:12
Acceprobably my usage profile11:12
TemeVMy jolla is having battery hungry day, again. 33% gone already :/11:13
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Accei'm at nice 84% left, now11:13
tachikomaand since i modded in a qi wirless receiver, the phone never goes empty  :)11:13
TemeVAcce: usually I have that amount too, at this point11:13
tachikoma96% right now11:14
tachikomasince 8 this morning11:14
tachikomanope, since 6 am11:14
TemeVI just gained an extra % with booting11:14
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TemeVI couldn't figure out with light house what was eating my battery so bootin makes it stop11:15
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artemmaAcce: to be precise: I am far from being sure that paid apps sove the situation. I do have a bit of hope, but it might also have negative effect if developers realize they earn nearly zero money anyway11:31
artemmaAcce: What I think is needed is *some* motivation for devs to create apps. It doesn't have to be paid app revenue. It can be MSFT style throwing money at devs, or any-other-manufacturer style contests with prizes11:32
artemmaAcce: Or matchmaking between devs and clients who might not mind getting a sailfish version of their app too if it's cheap. Or just having some single-hiobby-dev oriented prizes (such as free hardware or tickets to Qt/Sailfish conferences)11:33
Nicd-are you still deving for sailfish artemma?11:34
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artemmaNicd-: not really. For the same reason actually. I've got my immediate fun/fame itch scratched and thinking of what cool to do that could bring some money at least potentially11:36
artemmathat's web for right now11:36
* artemma had a contact with one potential sailfish app client, but that didnt end up with a contract yet. BTW this would have been way easier with centralized JollaHQ promotion11:36
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Acceartemma: yes it's true that even with the support, it does not mean that money will come flowing in for the devs.. such dev activities as competitions and so on would definitely be fruitful11:45
ln-i don't suppose anyone would be coding for sailfish purely for money, expecting a stable income. not at this point anyway.11:47
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Acceyes, not at this point, but shouldn't it be one of their goals, to create ecosystem which creates business11:48
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Accewell, if I think only about myself, I'm happy as long as the device exists, is developed and great people are doing stuff with it11:52
Accebut I have a voice in my head saying it's not possible unless it becomes good business for Jolla :<11:52
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King_DuckZhello, I've got a problem with the wifi at my new workplace11:58
King_DuckZI can connect to the wifi, it works for a few minutes (10-30 mins usually) then everything starts timing out11:58
King_DuckZso the phone is still connected to the AP (or so it says, reporting good signal and all) and thus doesn't fall back to 4G network11:59
King_DuckZonly fix is to disable and re-enable the wifi on the phone, but then the problem happens again11:59
King_DuckZthe sysadmin says everything's fine with the wifi, and my co-worker sitting right next to me has no problems at all with his mac laptop12:00
King_DuckZon the other hand this is the first time I have this problem with my jolla phone... any clue on which side the problem could be?12:01
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phaeronsounds like dhcp lease is quite short12:12
phaerontigeli: ^^12:12
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tigeliKing_DuckZ: which version do you have running on the device?12:12
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coderusi cannot use RPM validator in SDK, it's drunk:
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tigeliKing_DuckZ: ok, the dhcp renewal is broken on it12:17
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King_DuckZtigeli: ok, so not the sysadmin's fault? should I just wait for the update?12:17
tigeliKing_DuckZ: however, partial fix is available on opt-in update9 (
tigeliKing_DuckZ: and fully fixed on the upcoming update12:18
tigeliKing_DuckZ: if you want to get it fixed now you can opt-in for u912:18
tigeliKing_DuckZ: yes, not sysadmins fault..12:18
King_DuckZI'll wait for the "stable" update12:18
King_DuckZis there a date for it yet?12:18
tigeli"real soon now"12:18
pp_Soon (tm)12:18
Armadillostay tuned tm12:19
Bysmyyr_ooh, "real" soon, sounds interesting12:19
King_DuckZwill do :D12:19
tigeliKing_DuckZ: only thing your sysadmin could do is to set the lease timers bit higher (something like 7days) :)12:19
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King_DuckZtigeli: ok, I'll tell him, in case he feels merry and wants to help me... but I doubt it :p12:20
King_DuckZthanks for the help12:20
tigeliKing_DuckZ: as being sysadmin I don't get the idea of having really low lease time, ever (unless you really are short of ip-addresses).12:21
King_DuckZtigeli: I think they are... they've been tinkering with the wifi twice already, and I've only been at this company for 3 weekes12:22
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tigeliKing_DuckZ: ok :)12:22
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King_DuckZspeaking of the upcoming update that will happen very soon... :)12:23
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Armadillotigeli depends of the usage of your ip range ;)12:23
King_DuckZanybody knows if the bugs with music on the sd memory are fixed?12:23
stephgKing_DuckZ: what bugs?12:25
King_DuckZthose like music not being detected in the player app or being shuffled up in the "no-artist" group12:25
King_DuckZwhen detected at all12:26
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King_DuckZno? not fixed? I can't find the discussion on jollatogether but I'm sure there was one12:34
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King_DuckZI remember a dude complaining that as it was his supa dupa expensive sd card was completely useless12:35
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stephgwell I have plenty of music on mine and it's all largely in the right place12:35
King_DuckZstephg: what sailfish version?12:36
King_DuckZjust checked again, if I go to album->unknown album all my music from the sd is in there mixed up, but the same exact music is on the internal memory, and that shows up correctly12:38
King_DuckZin the right albums, with covers and all12:38
stephgKing_DuckZ u912:38
stephghave you rebuilt tracker?12:38
King_DuckZnot that I know... but I never enabled dev mode in case that's needed12:39
stephgif you don't have dev mode12:43
stephgI think there are apps in the store that can rebuild the tracker index12:43
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sandsmarkcoderus: maybe you need to set the rpath manually?12:44
ArmadilloI only know Sailfish Utilities, but it is only available with update9 i think?12:45
stephghmm apparently not in the store12:46
stephgsure I saw one somewhere12:46
King_DuckZah I just looked for tracker and found nothing :/12:47
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stephgthere is one in warehouse12:48
coderussandsmark: it already set.12:50
sandsmarkchecked with readelf or whatever?12:50
sandsmarkreadelf -a binary | grep RP12:51
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King_DuckZstephg: but still, installing warehouse or enabling dev mode shouldn't be required to get basic functionality... hence my question: will the problem be fixed in the next release?12:52
stephgKing_DuckZ: I don't disagree but if the index is messed up 'fixing it in the next release' won't help12:53
King_DuckZstephg: can I fix it without installing warehouse? I don't want to enable external rpms either...12:54
King_DuckZlike idk, delete all the music I have?12:54
stephgI'm just thinking12:55
stephgand I hear you about external rpms12:55
stephgyou need to stop tracker, delete it's index some how and start it again12:55
stephg(and even then it may not fix your problem)12:56
stephgstep 3 is easy (reboot)12:56
King_DuckZuninstall the media player?12:56
stephgtracker is a service that's used by more than the media player12:56
stephgstep 2 can be done with a file manager12:56
King_DuckZso this tracker thing is a daemon? ie not part of the player?12:56
stephgbut step 1 is hard without a terminal12:56
King_DuckZI think this is it there are other posts surely12:58
King_DuckZcan I enable dev mode, run that command and disable it afterwards?12:58
King_DuckZI'm put off by that "you could void your warranty" advice12:58
stephgwell if you're worried don't do it12:59
stephgbut if you're careful it's safe12:59
* stephg reads link12:59
stephgas in that thread13:00
stephg"tracker-control -se" is what you want to do13:00
King_DuckZwell I've been a gentoo user for a while, it's not like I'm awkward with the command line... just I'm worried about commands that have side effects I didn't know about13:00
King_DuckZok... do I need to delete music first/remove sd?13:00
King_DuckZok I'll try doing that now then13:01
stephgroot isn't needed either13:02
stephgoh maybe it is13:02
stephgor maybe not13:02
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King_DuckZwhat's the root password?13:03
Yanielnot needed13:03
King_DuckZjust "su -" ? or does it use sudo?13:03
Yanieland you should use devel-su with the password you set in dev mode settings13:04
stephgroot pass is whatever it says in the developer tools settings13:04
stephg(or whatever you set it to there13:04
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King_DuckZok... it's rebooting now13:04
stephgdon't think root is needed for this tho13:04
King_DuckZk I'll try as user first13:04
Yanielit isn't13:04
Yanielactually it might notwork at all as root13:05
Yanielbecause it uses ~/.config etc afaik13:05
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stephgindexes seem to be undere ~nemo/.cache/tracker13:06
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King_DuckZso first step is rm ~nemo/.cache/tracker/* ?13:06
King_DuckZor tracker-control -se is all I need?13:07
Yanieltracker-control -r does that13:07
stephga tracker-control -r does a reset13:07
stephgi.e. blows them away13:07
Yaniel-s starts indexing13:07
stephgtracker-control --help-all shows you everything13:08
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coderusSailors, this is best RPM i can make, can you verify it?
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King_DuckZhm I should probably delete the copy on the internal memory first tho... I'm going to lunch and do that, ttyl13:11
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coderusArmadillo: thanks13:12
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coderusArmadillo: now it looks good :)13:12
coderuswhy my validator showing some different drunk results?13:12
Armadillomaybe something went wrong at a former update13:12
coderuswell, it was 1407, i'll try with 1410 now13:13
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ArmadilloI used the old version13:13
Armadilloany pending updates on the "Updates" page in the sdk?13:14
locusfthat separate version is quite tricky13:15
Armadillonever had problems with the validator in the past13:15
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coderusi have following output with 1410:
Armadilloyou built the package with 1407 or 1410?13:18
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Armadillostrange behaviour^^13:23
coderustest this one please13:31
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coderusplease :D13:43
coderuseven if you have no LG SmartTV with webOS in Finland13:44
Armadillomay takt until monday13:44
coderusit's working :)13:44
coderusi'm using it every day :D13:44
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coderusi know, you will use it yourself and not approve it to anybody :D13:44
Nicd-we have webos tvs here13:45
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coderusNicd-: oh, great :)13:46
coderusit will makes easier for QA to test application :)13:47
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Armadillothe "empty sync xml cache" problem is really getting on my nervs now13:50
Armadillowith nearly every update 9 system crash some or all of my accounts sync because of the empty files13:51
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King_DuckZI have bad news and good news13:54
King_DuckZbad news is lease time can't be changed, good news is music is now correctly listed in the media player (at least for now)13:55
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stephgKing_DuckZ: \o/14:14
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Mikkosssss_Is this bug known? For some reason I cant chose any of email sync times on account settings. My email wont sync at all but manually. Is there any fix? Havent tried delete account yet.16:50
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Nc_you can get email to sync? *impressed*16:55
Mikkosssss_Am I using wrong word16:59
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energycsdxis something like this for sailfish os?17:01
anYcMikkosssss_: I think I saw something regarding that in the announcements of the upcoming updates, but I'm not sure17:03
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Mikkosssss_It worked before but stopped without any changes to settings.17:04
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anYccan't find it anymore. maybe helps?17:08
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Nc_Mikkosssss_, no, you're probably not using the word wrong - I've just only every once managed to get email sync'ed with my Jolla phone :)17:20
Nc_*only ever once17:20
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Sidderemember that i had problem getting my mail to sync. If one account had any errors in ports or similar. None would sync17:23
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coderusenergycsdx: something similar is
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coderusenergycsdx: you can post your suggestions here:
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Mikkosssss_Heres setting that wont work. It worked before
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tigeliMikkosssss_: have you tried recreating the account?17:51
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Mikkosssss_I said before that havent. But do I lose my emails or are they all gonna load back?17:56
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tigeliMikkosssss_: no, they don't get deleted.. at least by jolla, unless you use pop3 and have deleted them with some other device18:01
tigeliMikkosssss_: but jolla does not delete them18:01
tigeliwhen it's fetchin em18:01
tigeliMikkosssss_: with imap4 emails are not deleted unless you explitly delete the mails18:01
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Mikkosssss_I mean is my Jolla going to load them back to this device or I will it start from 0 email received? cant remeber when I set up my email did it load some old emails18:03
Yanielit should fetch them when it syncs18:03
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Mikkosssss_If not I can always use pulley menu from bottom to fetch more till I find ehat I am looking for18:04
Mikkosssss_I try delete account18:04
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Mikkosssss_Well it worked and it lets me now change setting18:07
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Nc_What other device-related identifiers would a Jolla phone/device have outside of IMEI/IMSI ?18:25
Stskeepsbluetooth and wifi18:25
* Nc_ ponders18:26
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Nc_I would assume MAC would be unavailable if Wifi/BT was switched off18:27
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Stskeepsmm yes and no18:27
tigeliNc_: imsi is not related really jolla device but tied to sim18:27
Nc_tigeli, sure :)  but assuming SIM isn't thrown away daily, is a was to track user18:28
tigeliNc_: yes.. and even then it would be listed on /var/lib/ofono18:28
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Nc_Anyways, am thinking non-HW specific IDs - am writing my own lib for tracking app use, and trying to determine if there is an ID I can use across apps18:30
Nc_MAC/IMEI/IMSI are little too close to HW for my liking18:30
tbrthe last time someone wanted to add tracked app usage they got quite a storm out of people18:32
Nc_Fair enough :)18:32
Nc_but theres a difference between tracking users, and tracking anonymous usage - am hoping people recognise that18:33
tbryou just asked about unique device identifiers, that doesn't sound anonymous at all18:34
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Nc_correct - am trying to understand what is there18:35
Nc_e.g. whether there is a sane way to track using the same (anonymous) ID across apps18:35
Nc_HW based ID aren't all that anonymous though, which is why I want to avoid them18:36
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grzywaczNc_, just pull one out of /dev/urandom on first run or something? ;)18:42
Nc_grzywacz, pretty much what I'm thinking about - though still have the idea to keep it across apps18:43
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* Sfiet_Konstantin found new Sailfish hack !18:57
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Sfiet_KonstantinStskeeps: UI side19:01
Sfiet_Konstantinas usual19:01
Sfiet_Konstantinless patching required19:01
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kimmolineed to have landscape support on screencapture too
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kimmoliStskeeps: still at HEL?19:41
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ulvusHi -:)19:43
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artemmaNc_: there is QML module for mixpanel stats service and open source Sailfish Wikipedia app that uses it with Random id when harware-based imei isn't available  May or may not be useful for you19:51
Nc_Cheers artemma - will take a look :D19:52
artemmaWhat's the Sailfish/Silica way for endless (or very ling lists)? Is it endless loading (with spinner?) or pulley menu with Load more in the bottom?19:52
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artemmaI wasn't watching sailfish news for a few months, any UI guidelines were published or are we still in the "you are developers. figure out some good style" mode?19:53
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coderusartemma: load more in pushupmenu19:54
artemmais it only for the line-based lists or for large grid items (a'la gallery) too?19:55
coderusand i know only one guideline:
coderusartemma: for any19:55
artemmanice page, thx, will check19:56
coderusbut i personally prefer out-of-bounds loading trigger19:56
artemmahmm, it means that current system photo Gallery breaks the pattern doesn't it? I think it has endless list19:56
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artemmanice page BTW, though I somehow expected same to be written as "how to do things properly" rather than "here's what you could have done wrong" :)19:57
coderusartemma: for most cases ListView/GridView dynamically delegates loading mechanism is good enough19:58
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artemmaah, indeed, it's a listview responsibility to decide, that is endless list always19:58
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OldDroidhey hey20:37
OldDroidcouzld someone link me to the "open"ed "source?20:38
tigeliOldDroid: please elaborate a bit more20:38
OldDroidwell, sialfish calls itself an open source community project20:39
OldDroidwhere is the entire source for building it for devices then?20:39
coderusOldDroid: where did you saw "sialfish calls itself an open source community project" ?20:40
OldDroidopen source software called sailfish20:42
OldDroidso where it is?20:43
OldDroidi'm googling around but can't find it ...20:43
OldDroidlike to port it over to my n5 :P20:43
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OldDroidbtw sorry for my writing mistakes20:44
sandsmarkOldDroid: there's a separate channel for that20:44
OldDroidsend it to me instead of just talking about that ^^20:45
sandsmark I don't remember it20:46
Teguafaik some UI parts are closed source.. (feel free to correct)20:46
salamisamiSince MitaKuuluu users were getting banned for using 3rd party software to access whatsapp services20:47
salamisamiAre they also banning Openwhatsapp users?20:47
salamisamiand Yappari?20:47
OldDroidumm, noo, open source system called sailfish20:48
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OldDroidso atleast a gerrit/git combi would be cool20:48
TemeVOldDroid: there is some closed source parts. If you're interested on porting, join #sailfishos-porters and ask there for details20:49
sandsmarkOldDroid: Google around, it's probably ported already20:49
paviWhen I download sailfish SDK which installed properly. But QT designer crashes saying some Open gl issue20:49
paviRenderer failed shader compilation20:49
OldDroidnaah, a real dev always wants to get the newest version20:49
paviQOpenGLShader::compile(Vertex): failed20:49
paviI am using debian wheezy 64 bit BTW20:50
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paviIt says "Segmentation fault" does it mean I have to run GDB for better output ?20:52
paviIs this the right place to ask about the SDK ?20:56
TemeVpavi: yes, this is the right place :)20:57
TemeV(I guess...) :)20:57
TemeVso many channels, I'm not always sure which one I'm chatting at :)20:58
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paviTemeV, ahh ok , I was wondering if there is one for app development20:58
TemeVWell, this is it20:58
TemeV#jollamobile, for other Jolla chat20:58
paviTemeV, so I am unable to run the SDK .20:59
paviI removed .config/SailfishBeta1/ and later I got a slightly different error QByteArray ProjectExplorer::runGcc(const Utils::FileName&, const QStringList&, const QStringList&): "/home/pavi/.config/SailfishBeta1/mer-sdk-tools/MerSDK/SailfishOS-i486/gcc" "-xc++ -E -dM -" returned exit code 1: ""21:00
TemeVYeah, I don't really know how to help you with that. I'm using it with LMDE (basically debian with linux mint flavors) and it's working fine21:00
paviTemeV, ahh ok21:00
paviI think normally segmentation errors come because of mismatched binaries. since the binaries are made by Jolla , nothing could be done on it but to ask here.21:01
paviMaybe I should try maling list21:01
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paviI was searching for the error at
paviBut looks like no one got anything like that21:02
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coderussalamisami: no21:32
coderusOldDroid: sailfish in process of publishing sources21:33
coderusOldDroid: it will be done when it will be ready, sources match choosed license and etc.21:34
coderusOldDroid: for that moment you cannot build sailfish from sources, only use sailfish repositories21:34
OldDroidshouldn't be the problem21:34
salamisamiSo it is safe to use other 3rd party whatsapp clients but not mitakuuluu?21:35
salamisamiSeems weird to me21:35
salamisamibut great because i'm getting an n9 next week21:36
coderussalamisami: i can't tell exactly21:36
coderussalamisami: what app you using?21:36
salamisamiCurrently I have n900 and at least i have not been banned :P21:36
salamisamiusing yappari i meant to say21:36
coderussalamisami: Yappari is not affected21:36
coderusall apps using old protocol are not affected21:37
salamisamiOh okay21:37
salamisaminice to hear21:37
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tigeliOldDroid: then there is #sailfishos-porters21:47
kenguuuh. porter21:48
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edipshi, im a pysider :)22:04
edipsim also a pyothersider :))22:05
keithzgAre there any example Qt Creator PyOtherSide projects out there? I'm tempted to play around, and I swear I remember making a basic test one before, but . . . uhh . . . I entirely forget, heh.22:05
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edipsit was a fun, i tryed to do something too with pyotherside, but i couldnt succee. my purpose was making an application for android using pyotherside. now M4rtin and Thomas overcame it, it is available to run pyotherside with android22:08
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edipsi think there are totally about 20+ exaples about pyotherside on opensource22:09
edipssailfishosers are silent today22:14
Jarepavi: if you can get a log of that segfault by running qtcreator in gdb, send a link to me or send the log to the mailing list22:16
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Jarepavi: qtcreator2.x didn't use opengl rendering, but qtcreator3 uses it for some parts of the ui. So i'm sure there will be bugs regarding that difference in operation22:18
paviJare thanks for the repy will do it22:18
paviJare, a small question , I deleted the .config folder of SDK , should I reinstall ?22:18
Jareno need for reinstall, the default config will be copied there from the sdk install dir, when you start qtcreator next time22:19
paviahh cool so lemme run it on gdb22:20
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paviJare, Debugger output
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Jarepavi: and this is on lmde running on a physical machine and not a vm? Is this all you get, if you write "bt" to the gdb command line after the qtcreator has terminated?22:46
paviIts not LMDE its debian wheezy22:47
paviIn this case the qt creator is stuck . Before it was vanishing completely22:47
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paviJare, After running BT my X crashed22:57
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paviJare, It hangs and doesnt actually crash and I cant close or quit it . I had to manuall send a kill to close it23:02
paviThe bt output I got maynot be whatyou are expecting
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coderuspavi: do you have opengl enabled? new qt5 may not work with no acceleration.23:17
paviglxgears work for me23:17
pavicoderus, dependency?23:18
pavicoderus, it says OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) Ivybridge Mobile23:21
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coderuswhat version of xserver-xorg-video-intel?23:27
coderusand tell kernel version23:28
Jare^ ping timeout23:30
Jareanyway there are various hits in qt bugreports, so it could be also one of those23:30
xkr47I just installed the sdk and is trying to deploy the hello world project to my jolla phone23:32
xkr47for some reason the /usr/share/Test1/qml directory ended up with permissions so that only root can acces it23:33
xkr47so the application then fails, saying "File not found" when trying to access files inside that directory23:33
xkr47I first tried "deploy by copying binaries" and then "deploy as rpm package" but..23:34
coderusxkr47: hello23:36
coderus1. what is your host os?23:36
xkr47Ubuntu something23:37
xkr47I wonder if my umask setting could have an impact23:37
xkr47it's 02723:37
coderus2. check qml fiolder and contents permissions in your project folder23:37
xkr47now I quit the qtcreator, changed it to 022 and started again, but didn't help; maybe it does not update permissions later23:37
coderusyou probably need to uninstall app and rm -rf /usr/share/Test1 from device23:38
xkr47bah, gotta go now, but thanks, I'll have to continue tomorrow23:38
xkr47how do I do that? can I get to root somehow ?23:38
coderusproblem in permissions in your project folder anyway23:38
xkr47anyway, thanks and cu23:38
coderusxsure, devel-su is your friend23:39
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pavicoderus, Jare I think the issue is with "OpenGL direct rendering was set to no" , I rebooted to mint and check where it was set to "yes" and the same binary ran but ofcourse it had other issues to do with not finding VM which was again in debian23:44
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