Thursday, 2015-01-29

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Thaodancoderus: I modified your voicemail deamon do need ofono pulled to build it?01:04
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coderusadd BuildRequires: libqofono-qt5-devel to spec01:11
coderusi forgot it01:11
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coderusLocksreen player controls patch v006. Fixed some bugs, added playback progress. https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-lockscreen-mediaplayer-controls01:39
Thaodando the patch now auto updates the current tracke name?01:40
coderusThaodan: ?01:52
coderusexplain01:52
Thaodanusally when changing the track the name of the current tracks isn't updated01:53
coderusnever had this bug01:54
coderuswhat player you using?01:54
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ThaodanDeadalus01:58
coderusit's player problem02:06
coderusbut it should work in current build02:06
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Thaodanok so the patch calls the mpris method to update track?02:10
coderusit just now asking every second for properties02:11
Thaodanis there no way to pull this on demamd eg when track changes?02:12
Thaodanls urjama02:12
Thaodanfc02:12
coderusit doesnt matter02:12
coderusnow it just asking every second when lockscreen active and playing02:13
Thaodanok I thougt thath would be not very powersaving02:13
coderusif you staying at lockscreen with display on forever - yes02:14
Thaodanok. Is there no way to update dbus data on push?02:15
coderusit doesn't matter02:15
coderusit works in better way now02:15
Thaodanok02:16
coderusThaodan: you'd better fill a but to daedalus02:25
coderusit should invoke properties changed signal to metadata when switching tracks02:25
ThaodanI'll do but whats realy the bug how I discribe it , I don't know what it does wrong02:26
coderusjust tell what i just wrote02:26
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Thaodanits a bug in their mpris interface or not?02:29
coderusyes02:33
coderusits bug in daedalus mpris02:33
Thaodanhere you go ; https://github.com/djselbeck/daedalus-sailfish/issues/702:34
coderusgood enough02:34
Thaodansomething I need to add?02:35
coderusno, good enough as i said02:42
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Thaodanok, Is there a template rpm for the patches for patchmgr?02:46
coderusyou can take any of existing patches02:47
Thaodanok02:48
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coderuswtf, no color property for progressbar :|03:10
ThaodanI think they just use the ambience color03:12
Thaodanwhere you need it?03:13
coderusforgot to change color for lowPowerMode :)03:17
Thaodanwhat you doing?03:18
coderusfor lockscreen player03:18
coderusshader effect applied to layer works fine03:24
Thaodanah ok03:26
coderuslooks better now: https://openrepos.net/sites/default/files/packages/26/screenshot-screenshot-29-01-15-08-37-07.png03:41
Thaodanyeah but would be if this is opt in03:45
Thaodanwhat about an option to hide button if swipe gestures are enabled?03:46
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Thaodanoh god I hate time bug in aliendalvik04:09
coderusThaodan: https://together.jolla.com/question/760/wrong-time-zone-in-android-apps/?answer=78319#post-id-7831904:12
Thaodanno I mean that the updates too fast04:12
Thaodanits not in sync04:12
coderus whatsapp?04:14
Thaodanyeah04:14
coderuslol04:14
coderushttps://together.jolla.com/question/72043/11127-android-clockwork-time-seems-to-run-too-fast/?answer=78654#post-id-7865404:14
Thaodanbut why time stamps are fine when restarting aliendalvik?04:15
Thaodannever had this problem on android or Meego (N9)04:17
coderusbecause its resynced04:19
coderusfrom some time whatsapp having that bug04:19
Thaodanand why this dont happen on android?04:19
coderusi mean from some version04:19
coderusit happen04:19
Thaodanon 4.4 it wont04:20
Thaodanso android has a workaround for this or why it dont happen there?04:24
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coderusjust not everybody have this issue04:31
coderusmeans not every contacct/group04:31
ThaodanI never looked into this04:33
Thaodanhad mitakuluu the same issue?04:33
coderusyes04:44
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coderusThaodan: and if hide buttons of player control you cannot play/pause :)05:00
Thaodanhm and there's no way to make gesture for this too?05:00
coderusboth horizontal gestures are used :)05:02
Thaodanhm all others are reserved or not?05:03
coderusvertical are used as you know by homescreen :)05:04
Thaodanhm a and a tap on the space where the button should be?05:05
coderuswhat the matter of hiding buttons  then?05:06
Thaodanhm your right or move the space for pause/play to the song title so that tapping on it does the action05:07
Thaodanto reduce the space on screen05:10
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spiiroinTheodan, coderus: currently power save mode does: display is dimmed a bit, notification banner/icon are shown (and something else too, do not recall what). Some plans/ideas for: tracker, camera, wlan at least05:31
ryukafalzAw, it looks like skippingstones is broken on Uitukka :(05:36
ryukafalzor, hmm, maybe it's just N4 bluetooth weirdness...05:37
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ryukafalzaha, I see the problem - qtconnectivity is available in source form but not as a package, so it wasn't installed, and skippingstones depends on it05:39
ryukafalzhmm05:39
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coderusspiiroin: display and notification i spotted initially. but other is just are plans? no real usage in current version?05:43
Thaodanspiiroin: where you get this?05:52
Thaodanwhat about disable sync, closing mobile connection aber sometime im pm?05:53
Thaodanthe only issue is that the user my loose messages as telepathy currently don't supports the xep for streaming messages05:54
ryukafalzHopefully will soon if that bug report is any indication :)05:55
Thaodanwhich one?05:55
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ryukafalzhttps://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4670005:58
merbot`Freedesktop bug 46700 in gabble "Implement reliable stanza delivery using XEP-0198 - Stream Management" [Enhancement,New]05:58
Guest16690Bug 46700: was not found.05:58
Guest16690Bug https://bugs.merproject.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46700 was not found.05:58
Thaodandoes this implements that messages that are lost during offline delivered too? (including mine if I wrote messages on other divees)?06:00
Thaodan*diveces06:00
ryukafalzSyncing your own sent messages between devices is a separate XEP: http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0280.html06:01
ryukafalzTelepathy doesn't support this06:01
Thaodanhm this is sad this makes xmpp on the devices not realy usable if you use different divices06:02
ryukafalzStream Management makes each party acknowledge messages, so that they can determine when a message was not sent and either retry or fail permanently06:02
ryukafalzCurrently most servers (Prosody at least) mark delivery as failed if no acknowledgement is sent - it's up to clients to handle displaying that properly06:02
ThaodanI hope Jolla can push something in it as there as they using it as main message intance of their devices06:02
Thaodanso servers delivers me all message with this xep since I was offline or this seperate xep?06:03
ryukafalzOffline messaging is different and implemented pretty much everywhere06:04
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ryukafalz(and doesn't require client support AFAIK)06:04
Thaodanok cause I miss this much this is someting this handles skype or even icq much better06:05
ryukafalzWell, you'll get offline messages that haven't been received by any client yet - that already works06:05
ryukafalzwhat you won't get is messages that were received by one of your other clients, because the server then doesn't store them06:05
ryukafalzfor that, you need something like message archive management (http://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0313.html)06:06
ryukafalzwhich is currently implemented by... maybe 3 clients total?06:06
ryukafalzso it's not really surprising telepathy doesn't support it06:06
ryukafalzWould be awesome if it did, but it would also require extending the telepathy spec as it isn't currently designed for that use case06:07
ThaodanI hope telepathy moves feary fast forward ,  XMPP needs to move forward06:07
Thaodanis this so hard or easy to extend this?06:07
ryukafalzDepends on how much experience you have I suppose - I've never worked with GLib before, so I don't think I'd be up for the task06:08
Thaodanme too^^ if I could I'd too but I don't have , would be a good job for jolla06:09
ryukafalzWell, it's easy to say that, but last I heard Jolla didn't really have the resources to devote to work on upstream Telepathy06:10
spiiroincoderus: "psm" is similar to "radio states in mce". in nokia devices there were daemons that reacted to state changes mce reported, now those nokia era daemons have been replaced with something else. some components are still reacting, but not necessarily the ones that we'd most like to06:10
Thaodanspiiroin:  I already wondered why the nokia name space06:11
Thaodanryukafalz: yea true , I just thought they take upstream work so they work on it if chanes are neeeded06:12
spiiroinThaodan: yes, legacy shows.. we have "nokia" stuff dating back to n770, and "meego" stuff from n9 & co06:12
spiirointhe psm has been on the radar, but other things have taken priority over it so far06:13
Thaodanryukafalz: I usally would get to suchs calls but these features are all not easy to implement I think and there realy needed06:13
Thaodanspiiroin: reminds of the meltemi stuff I saw on meamo forums06:14
Thaodanspiiroin: as long as it works06:14
Thaodanthe power thing is really something that needs work06:14
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djselbeckThaodan: coderus I don't see where the problem in my (daedalus) mpris implementation should be. If a new track starts this is what dbus-monitor shows: http://fpaste.org/177363/16034142/07:24
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djselbeckcoderus: Also I think it is bad to encourage people to do one line bugreports :/07:43
Thaodandjselbeck: If I had more infos had added them but I don't07:45
djselbeckThaodan: the bug report doesn't even describe the problem as I'm clearly sending an propertieschanged07:45
djselbeckThaodan: Also you should always say in what context the problem occured and how to reproduce this. It was just random that I saw my highlight in irc07:46
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ThaodanI only noticed when I  change tracks with this lockscreen applet the name of the  current cong isn't updated until the applet is hidden and shown again07:47
ThaodanI'll add this, I don't know how to say if its your fault or coderus fault07:47
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djselbeckI understand that now :), maybe I try to reproduce this in the evening but at the moment I'm not sure if the problem is so clearly on my side. Also i don't see if sources are availble for the lcokscreen controls which is sad07:48
Thaodansource mom07:49
Thaodanhttps://github.com/CODeRUS/sailfishos-lockscreen-player-patch07:49
Thaodanthe only problem it's missing the sources of the qml plugin07:49
djselbeckyep, but I think they are here https://github.com/CODeRUS/mpris2control/07:50
djselbeckI've a look in the evening07:50
Thaodanyeah it seams07:50
djselbeck(german timezone) :)07:50
Thaodansame^^07:50
ThaodanI got the update of his patch and look if this changes something07:51
Thaodan*latest update07:51
Thaodanyeah it does but I don't know if there's still a bug in your code07:52
Thaodanhe pulls the state now every second07:53
djselbeckMhh what do you mean with pull, is he calling an method on dbus? daedalus also emits it status every second07:53
djselbeckwhich was not a problem during my tests on battery life07:54
Thaodanyea this is what I mean07:55
Thaodansometimes my english is not so good, my german is better^^07:55
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djselbeckThaodan: dito :)08:01
Thaodandjselbeck: ob sich #sailfishos.de  lohnen würde^^08:02
djselbeckThaodan: Ich denke, Deutschland ist auf openrepos in meinen DL-Statisiken 2. stärkstes Land.08:04
entilist Jolla gross in Deutschland?08:05
entilhir in Finland weisse ich nur weniger Geeks mit einem Jolla08:06
Armadillosieht in Deutshcland genauso aus ;)08:06
entilmit Zeit würde es mehr populär08:07
Stskeepsgerman for breakfast, guys, come on.. :)08:07
entilthinking in german's hard :/08:07
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anYcI already know one other person at our chair who has a jolla ^^08:09
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entilse the missus found out about the invite-only phone and got excited :(08:10
entilmeh, android with a twist08:10
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coderusdjselbeck: i'm not using daedalus, sorry08:13
coderuscan't check if there problem or not08:13
entilcoderus: powermenu broken?08:14
djselbeckcoderus: no problem. But as i've said I'm sending propertieschanged. But i'll have a look later08:14
entilactually I just realized I installed it through warehouse, might be an update there I didn't check :D08:15
coderusпойду я спать, а то мне немцы на танках уже мерещатся...08:15
coderusentil: i don't know, you should know if any app in your phone is broken or not08:15
coderusdjselbeck: maybe he using old version or any other bug08:16
ArmadilloStskeeps "for breakfast" in which context? :)08:16
coderusArmadillo: in context: "i just wake up and see german in chat"08:17
Armadilloah ok :D08:17
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entilcoderus: latest version on warehouse, shorttap action "show menu" does not seem to show a menu08:19
entillove the sound of German in the morning08:19
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djselbeckentil: :D08:19
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coderuscan't make nemomobile DBusInterface to work with QDBusVariant. is there any thicks, or it's not possible by design?08:22
coderusthp: ^08:22
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coderusentil: works for me08:22
entilcoderus: no biggie, double-tap is the most important one for me; if I care later I'll submit an issue08:22
coderusentil: i'll remove your issue08:22
coderusapp is working08:22
coderussomething wrong with your phone08:22
coderusmind fixing your phone before blaming apps08:23
coderussend to jolla care08:23
coderusyour phone is broken08:23
djselbecklol08:23
entilhah08:24
coderusyep. thuth for breakfast for you08:25
entilI must install iOS on the jolla08:25
coderusgood luck08:25
entilfirst, I must port it08:25
coderusentil: run grep PowerMenu /usr/share/lipstick-jolla-home-qt5/compositor.qml08:26
cornecoderus: Sailfish.TransferEngine is not really accepted on the store if i'm not mistaken, was wondering if someone has rebuild it or something :P08:27
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entilPowerMenuDialog {}08:27
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coderusentil: and rpm -qa --queryformat "%{version}\n" powermenu08:28
coderuscorne: you can't use transfer engine in harbour08:29
coderusonly via dbus if there some interface08:29
entil0.4.308:29
coderuslast one: did you restarted lipstick after installation?08:30
entilnot after upgrading08:31
cornehmm, might compile a different version of my recorder app for openrepos then08:31
coderusentil: lol08:31
coderusentil: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/powermenu08:31
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coderusgo and read everything, i'll back in 5 minutes and you should repeat every word in description08:32
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entil    You can have only two custom actions, and first one is already used for triggering power menu. Only one extra application available to set.08:32
coderuscool, you started reading :)08:33
entildoes the menu count as an application and powermenu fails silently because I have an application for doubletap?08:33
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entilwell, that's not as easy to read as native english ;P08:33
entils/read/understand/08:33
coderusentil: you can choose everything available in list08:34
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entilit's not "after first launch [...]" but "After installing and after every upgrade start the Powermenu app and go to the Configuration page and [...]"08:36
entilbut thanks, it was about restarting lipstick after the ugprade08:36
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coderuscreating issues and blaming app is forever08:37
entilat least I suggested an improvement to the description to make things clearer :)08:39
coderusi can suggest you something also, but i'd better keep silence and go to sleep no08:40
coderusnow*08:40
coderuscoding all the night08:40
djselbeckcoderus: You are not very friendly08:40
entilno one is friendly if they're up all night08:40
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entiland I should have been clearer about the details from the get-go08:41
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coderusdjselbeck: look ^, entil right08:50
coderusi was coding all the night, and now  somebody talking me about unexistent bug in my application :D08:51
entilstill loving powermenu, though, and it would be awesome if it actually shipped with the jolla08:52
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poolsonthe bug is there!09:00
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tortoisedocbuh10:55
tortoisedocstskeep : ping10:55
Stskeepstortoisedoc: mm?10:56
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tortoisedoc(currently not supported in harbour but meh)10:57
tortoisedocStskeeps : autostarting user apps via systemd + dbus10:57
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tortoisedocStskeeps : could the app env (as in /proc/<pid>/environ) be very much different from what we have when we launch the app via homescreen?11:00
Stskeepspossibly11:00
Stskeepsit might go through invoker11:00
tortoisedocno invoker11:00
tortoisedocit does so by default from homescreen tho11:00
tortoisedocbut in my case does not seem to affect endresult11:01
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m4g0ghi11:02
m4g0gHow I can return QFlags from QAbstractItemModel::data?11:02
faeniljusa_, morning :) is there any way to boost the sound volume given that I changed the loudspekaer inside my jolla with a louder one?11:02
faenilI fear that some configuration/amplifier setting may be limiting its loudness11:03
faenillike, are there any limits which were imposed to not to pump too much current through the tiny original speaker, or something like that?11:04
SK_workm4g0g: convert to int11:05
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tortoisedocStskeeps : is there a way to find the last service started by systemd?11:11
Stskeepssystemctl-user?11:11
tortoisedocthanks!11:11
jusa_faenil: maybe11:11
faeniljusa_, mmm :)11:11
jusa_you can try editing /system/etc/snd_soc_msm/snd_soc_msm_Sitar . there look for "Speaker Rx device"11:12
jusa_faenil: 'PMIC SPK Gain':0:POS_20_DB11:12
jusa_faenil: 'RX1 Digital Volume':1:6811:13
jusa_experiment with those11:13
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faeniljusa_, cool...any advice? like, can I pump it until I hear it crackling?11:13
jusa_naturally no guarantees, but since you already changed loudspeaker.... :P11:13
faenilor could it be that there's no "audio" warning but the loudspeaker is overhearing? :D11:13
jusa_try raising values and if it crackles it's definitely too much yep..11:14
faenilof course, I meant..what if it doesn't crackle? what other signs could I be paying attention to? :)11:15
jusa_afaik none..11:15
faeniljusa_, ok great, then it should be quite doable :)11:15
jusa_faenil: amixer -c 0 get 'PMIC SPK Gain' and amixer -c 0 get 'RX1 Digital'  to get value ranges for those elements11:16
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faeniljusa_, oh great!11:16
faenilI love doing this stuff :D11:17
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jusa_you'll probably need to restart pulseaudio to get updated values in use11:17
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faeniljusa_, ok ;) systemd command enough?11:18
jusa_yep11:18
faenilok11:18
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faeniljusa_, mm amixer not found, guess I just have to install it11:19
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jusa_faenil: yep, alsa-utils11:21
faenilgood thx11:21
jusa_faenil: 'RX1 Digital Volume' is prolly your choice, test that first11:24
faenilok :)11:24
faenileven though it's difficult to test it if I can't see the change live11:24
faenils/see/hear11:24
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faenileven though digital volume 84 is already quite high11:33
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faeniljusa_, the command returns 84 though there's no 84 in the config file, they're all 6811:52
jusa_faenil: 68%, step 84 (of 124)11:53
faenilhow dumb, right, thanks11:54
faeniljusa_, and I guess the correct section is "Speaker"11:54
jusa_yes, I guess the comment part had Rx etc11:55
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faenilit has 3 RX though, and there are also Proxy Speakers11:55
jusa_correct one is Name "Speaker"11:56
faenilthere are modifiers for music playback as well :O11:56
faenilmmm11:56
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faenilok it worked :) let's play with it now :)12:01
faenilthough there's a lot of noise now...mmm let's see if other speakers behave differently :)12:02
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vakkovugh, i can't deploy with sdk 1412 and up10 on maguro12:56
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vakkov12:55:43: The process "/home/vakko/.config/SailfishBeta1/mer-sdk-tools/MerSDK/SailfishOS-armv7hl/deploy" exited with code 1.12:59
vakkovError while building/deploying project colorcode (kit: MerSDK-SailfishOS-armv7hl)12:59
vakkovWhen executing step 'Rpm'12:59
vakkovhappens with both user nemo and root12:59
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WntWhat is the propper way to set the default locale on Sailfish? I'd like to change LC_TIME to fi_FI.UTF-8 on my device13:56
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m4g0ghi14:01
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SK_workhi m4g0g14:03
m4g0gI have treemodel and I want to show it in silica list view.14:04
m4g0gI show 4 level but for loading items deeper then 4 i add button to item. May be you can suggest me smth how to show loaded comments with deeper level?14:04
SK_workhum14:05
m4g0gI have idea to replace items in model with children items but how to got back to upper level?14:05
SK_workI think that listview don't support tree model, does it ?14:05
SK_workm4g0g: how do you did this, have code to show ?14:05
m4g0gyes. one moment14:06
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Wntfound an answer to my locale question: https://together.jolla.com/question/931/enable-more-refined-locale-settings-that-are-respected-by-system-and-3rd-party-apps14:06
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m4g0gSK_work:  http://i.imgur.com/7MlUgJG.png - this is screenshot14:07
m4g0ghttps://bpaste.net/14:08
m4g0gsorry14:08
m4g0ghttp://hastebin.com/ifohopelex14:08
m4g0gthis is delegate code14:08
SK_workm4g0g: did you use a treeview in the model ?14:08
SK_workso it works ?14:08
m4g0gwhat do you mean?14:09
m4g0gin model I store QList<T*> list; T { QList<T*> children }14:09
m4g0gin model I store QList\<T*\> list; T { QList\<T*\> children }14:10
m4g0gargh14:10
SK_work?14:10
m4g0ghttp://hastebin.com/rukacuqodo14:10
m4g0gthis is part of the my model header14:10
SK_workm4g0g: I got empty web page via hastebin, use paste.kde.org ?14:10
m4g0greload it again14:11
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SK_workm4g0g: nothing :(14:13
m4g0gok14:14
m4g0ghttps://paste.kde.org/pwctsbhvc - delegate14:14
m4g0ghttps://paste.kde.org/puwjvavbz - part of model header14:15
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m4g0gsorry, part of Item, which stored in model14:15
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anandrkrisHi14:19
anandrkrisAny presentation on Jolla available if I have to take it to a LUG here?14:20
m4g0gSK_work: I think I have idea how to realize it14:20
anandrkrisJolla tablet again on igg! Congrats :)14:22
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anandrkrisHi - May I understand what're the challenges in including more language packs (fonts) in Jolla store for download?14:50
anandrkrisCurrently, Indian user i have to rely on openrepos for installing Indian vernacular languages14:51
Stskeepsanandrkris: send a mail to the mailing list, let's see if we can get a response made14:51
anandrkrissure14:52
anandrkristhanks14:52
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Accehmm, upgrade to 64GB sounds nice, makes the SD less needed14:54
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anandrkrisStskeeps: do i need to be a member of ML or moderator would approve the post?15:10
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Thaodansomeone heard that Samsung copies the other half basicly?15:18
Stskeepsanandrkris: member of ml15:18
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anandrkrisStskeeps: thanks..sent and guess it works :)15:47
anandrkriscybette: i saw you updating Countries to ship thread in TJC and was wondering15:47
anandrkrisnow i know why :-)15:47
tigelianandrkris: I actually approved your first posting15:48
tigelianandrkris: second one has only modified subject.. :)15:48
anandrkristigeli: oh..thanks..no regrets anyways..15:49
anandrkristigeli: ha ha...an afterthought15:49
* anandrkris My afterthoughts are > than my thoughts usually15:49
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cybetteanandrkris: :D15:52
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ajalkaneOops! Page not found. https://sailfishos.org/sailfish-silica/qml-sailfishsilica-label.html18:57
Stskeepsiekku:18:58
iekkuajalkane, thanks for pointing it out19:00
iekkuajalkane, where did you navigate to that page?19:00
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Jarethat's part of the silica reference documentation, which afaik isn't yet shared on the new site19:04
iekkuah19:05
iekkuJare, thanks19:05
iekkuajalkane, currently we have documentation available only within sdk19:05
Jareor in autodoc19:06
iekkuajalkane,19:06
iekku^^19:06
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ajalkaneoh... right... no documentation anymore. I've had this page for days open, didn't realize they were all gone19:12
ajalkanegood thing I have some of the API docs open then, better not refresh :)19:13
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kimmoliO_o  the reference is down? :(19:19
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Jareajalkane, kimmoli: the silica reference will be shared on the new site later on, but at the moment it's available only in sailfish qtcreator19:42
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ffernerM4rtinK: looks like I've finally made some progress on actually displaying a route in modrana...19:57
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M4rtinKfferner: nice! :)20:01
ffernerobviously needs lots of work still, but...20:02
ffernerjavascript/QML is definitely still new to me...20:03
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M4rtinKwell, the declarative syntax is pretty different from how GUIs are usually done20:10
M4rtinKadd to that the asynchronous RPC-like PyOtherSide Python bindings20:10
M4rtinKand it could be hard to get started :)20:11
M4rtinKI started working with QML in 2011/12 and I still would not say I know everything about it20:12
M4rtinKbut it is really powerfull & generally nice to work with in my opinion :)20:13
* Nokius_ see in Brussels :) 20:13
M4rtinKNokius_: sure :)20:14
Nokius_:D20:16
Nokius_its the Update day :) :P20:20
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Nicd-damn why is the RPM changelog date format so retarded? :P20:33
Nicd-should be ISO date format but nooo20:34
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kimmoliNicd-: been there too... after third fail had to look for example20:36
kimmolinow i let obs do changes for me20:37
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Nicd-hm, so is QtPositioning 5.2 currently not available on the device at all?20:56
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kimmolii have this: Installed       qt5-qtpositioning-5.2.1+git2-1.18.10.armv7hl21:10
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M4rtinKNicd-: just not allowed in Harbor because of $REASONS21:12
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m4g0gImport 'org.Maledictus.Mnemosy 1.0' is not allowed - wtf?22:43
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coderusm4g0g: RTFM23:02
coderusm4g0g: https://harbour.jolla.com/faq23:03
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ThaodanI don't get why it's so bad to install libs in /usr/lib23:24
Thaodanor /usr/lib/app23:24
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coderusbecause libs should be in lib packages23:32
coderusif ship libs with app use /usr/share/appname/lib path23:32
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saidinesh5sandsmark: what are you working on?23:44

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