Friday, 2015-01-30

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poolsonhey i went to the update section to do an OTA update but it doesnt initiate anything00:18
poolsonis that normal ? ... im using 1.0.8.1900:18
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coderuspoolson: check for update -> install update?00:25
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poolsonah i think i need to opt in for it00:27
poolsonwell yeah on the device if i do checkj for update it doesnt do anything00:27
poolsonjust says .. last checked on ..00:27
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poolsonwell this is depressing00:41
poolsonwas just looking at some questions and answers on jolla00:41
poolsonand sure enough ... always self righteous people gotta say that in their opinion this or that question is a duplicate00:41
poolsonsame reason i stopped answering questions on stack overflow!00:42
poolsonso lame!00:42
poolsoni wish i could pat those guys on the back and say well done and tell them they are smart for pointing it out ... in their opinion :)00:42
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coderusu10 is not opt-in. it's available for everyone00:50
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poolsonhey coderus .. yeah man its just not triggering an update03:49
poolsoni wonder whats going on!03:49
poolsoncan i just download the ZIP and install it with CM like i did with 1.0.8 ?03:49
poolsonif so where to get that from?03:49
coderuspoolson: ah, you using android? not jolla phone?03:55
coderusgo to #sailfishos-porters then03:56
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Almindorhow do you do fluid animation with QML/js? I tried with canvas.requestAnimationFrame(game.onFrame) but my onFrame function never gets called04:08
AlmindorI'm currently using a Timer to do it but I think that's very ugly/bad04:08
coderusAlmindor: animation in canvas? what?04:12
Almindorcoderus, well you know, game style, drawing things in a loop04:13
Almindorcoderus, in html5 you can use canvas.requestAnimationFrame to get a callback called when each frame is ready so you can paint your stuff, it also takes care of some "niceness" to other things happening, but it doesn't seem to work in QML04:13
m4g0gcoderus: it's only name problems?04:14
coderusm4g0g: sure04:14
m4g0ggood, thx04:14
coderusm4g0g: use harbour.appname.class name04:14
m4g0gI have created tree view in qml04:14
m4g0gI understand04:14
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kimmoliis NTP abbreviated from Not a Time Protocol ? :P10:14
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muppiskimmoli, how you did come to that conclusion?10:16
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poolsonhey coderus i didnt even know there was a difference :)10:29
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coderusVoicemail notifications for #SailfishOS published in OpenRepos: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/voicemail-notifications10:35
coderuspoolson: you can't use OTA in ports10:36
coderusfirst because it works over store interface, and store is mostly broken in ports10:36
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coderusand second is because of hw adaptations, it can be broken if you update manually10:36
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wickwirehi guys, is there any way to enable QML Profiling in Qt Creator, from the SailfishOS IDE?10:55
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wickwireI found information online from a recent slide presentation where the presenter said he hadn't been able to enable it, though rumour has it, it's possible...?10:56
wickwirein my case, activating the QML profiler returns a popup message10:56
wickwireClj10:56
wickwireCould not connect to the in-process QML debugger: The application is not set up for QML/JS debugging10:57
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billtuxguys im having issues with server rejected key when trying to deploy app to emulator?11:02
billtuxI tried the option to regen keys in the options.11:03
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billtuxBut still giving me the same error. Not sure what the problem is.11:03
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billtuxmy sshd server was running on port 2222 and clashing. Why was why it kept knocking the connection back11:12
coderusbilltux: emulator using fixed keys: https://sailfishos.org/develop/sdk-overview/develop-faq11:15
coderuswickwire: you need to define QT_QML_DEBUG and use QML_DISABLE_OPTIMIZER=111:17
coderusand dont use invoker11:17
poolsoncoderus was just keeping you updated :)11:22
wickwirecoderus: thanks111:22
poolsonover in that other channel now .. and updating11:22
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m4g0gwhen I try to install aplication I walways got "gpg failure". How to fix?11:46
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coderuswut?11:55
coderuswhere?11:55
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m4g0gMnemosy app in werehouse. It downloaded and after that shows me this error]11:56
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m4g0gideas?12:06
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coderusmine installed fine12:11
coderusprobably you have outdated cache12:11
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m4g0ghow to fix it?12:19
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coderusrefresh cache?12:21
coderuspkcon refresh12:21
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m4g0gcoderus: thx. It helps12:35
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coderusyou probably uploaded two different files to openrepos with same name12:36
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coderusmeans rebuild same version and uploaded12:37
m4g0gcoderus: yes.12:40
m4g0g^-(12:40
coderusyou should never do that :D12:40
m4g0gOk.12:41
m4g0gI will be a good boy12:41
coderusat least increase build number12:41
m4g0goh, I want to post images via foursail, but Jozef doesn't want to add this stuff via c++ code (12:45
billtuxanybody built anything with pyotherside. I have the plugin installed on the emulator. But when i run some of the sample apps nothing other than a blank silica page appear12:46
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coderuscontribute :)12:47
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tortoisedocwee12:56
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tortoisedockewl new wiki on sailfish.org :)12:57
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BrudhuGuys, I was reading the topic at TMO about DBus and Notifications. Is there a way of generating a notification via DBus AND automatically play a sound? Or the app must play the notification sound by itself?13:04
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coderusBrudhu: the trick is notification category13:05
coderusBrudhu: and why the hell you using dbus notifications api yourself?13:05
tortoisedoccoderus : via command line?13:08
tortoisedoccoderus : why not :P13:08
tortoisedoccoderus : this is a free world :P13:08
coderusthere is a two implementation in cpp, one in qml and one cli tool13:08
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Brudhuhahaha Thank you, coderus13:16
Brudhuand I'll look for the qml implementation13:16
coderushttps://github.com/nemomobile/nemo-qml-plugin-notifications13:16
coderusawesome and full-featured13:16
Brudhuthank you from Brazil. :D13:17
Brudhu:)13:17
coderusgreetings from Russia13:17
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Brudhucoderus: what are the categories of notifications? Where can I find documentation about them?13:31
coderusBrudhu: /usr/share/lipstick/notificationcategories13:32
Brudhuthanks again13:33
coderusyou can create own category13:33
coderus(if app not for harbour btw)13:33
Brudhuaw, ok!13:34
Brudhuno, its not13:34
Nicd-crazy idea, what if we made a wiki for sailfish programming with answers to the most popular questions13:34
Nicd-like positioning and notifications etc13:34
Brudhuit would help me for sure13:34
Brudhuhahaha13:34
R-Zsomething like that should be mandatory13:34
R-Zbut keeping it up to date might require a lot of effort13:35
Nicd-that's what wikis are good at. if they become popular enough13:35
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SK_workwiki.merproject.org13:37
SK_workfeel free to add pages13:37
SK_workand publish links13:37
SK_workor use tjc13:37
m4g0gIs there any type of list with applications which our users want to have in jolla?13:40
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coderusNicd-: i tried at http://sailfishdev.tumblr.com/ but lost enthusiasm :)13:44
Nicd-well, tumblr is not good for that because you can't collaboratively edit it13:44
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SK_workcoderus: still, keeping this tumblr as it contains some cool stuff13:50
SK_work:)13:50
SK_workm4g0g: check TMO13:50
SK_workand TJC13:50
kimmoliNicd-: lmgtfy "github and your keywords" is kinda good reference for examples13:51
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Nicd-kimmoli: yeah, but a wiki where everything is gathered and explained would make everything a lot easier. reading source code for examples wastes a lot of time13:53
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kimmoliNicd-: as SK_work pointed direction, please feel free to show the path...13:55
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locusfSK_work: are in brussels already?13:56
locusfyou13:57
SK_worklocusf: :D13:57
SK_workI'm at work :D13:57
locusfSK_work: ah!13:57
SK_work:D13:57
locusfokay lol13:57
SK_workyeah, at the end the suffix _work became part of my nickname :)13:57
locusfI'm already here, freezing room but good wifi13:58
locusfSK_work: heheh yeah :)13:58
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SK_work:)13:58
SK_workgot snow today at PAris13:59
locusfyeah it was supposed to snow here too13:59
Stskeepslocusf: protip: performance cpu governor on a jolla to warm yourself up13:59
Stskeeps:P13:59
SK_work...13:59
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locusfStskeeps: lol14:00
locusfStskeeps: did you hear anything from qwazix since we left the grill?14:01
locusfand hows faenil :)14:01
Stskeepsfaenil was aiming for 14.40 at his hotel i think14:01
Stskeepsmy plan atm is to wait for the UK guys to arrive at 4-4.30pm14:02
SK_workwhat faenil is aiming for sounds like an ubuntu release :D14:03
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locusfyeah sledges lbt et al14:04
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* Nokius lucky day so fare cu leter guys @ Cafe deivirum 14:20
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locusfStskeeps: we'll go to cafe de la presse at avenue louise 493 in an hour, do you wanna join?14:53
* Stskeeps looks at time14:54
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* Stskeeps checks maps14:54
Stskeepsit's a bit far out14:54
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locusfyeah but I was selfish and got a place near my hotel :/14:55
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Stskeepsnod14:57
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Stskeepsi think i'll skip14:57
locusfokay np :)14:57
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saidinesh5sandsmark: here?15:06
sandsmarksaidinesh5: am now :D15:06
sandsmarkfor now15:06
saidinesh5Cool15:06
saidinesh5So i was thinking of eliminating storing swipe hints altogether...15:06
sandsmarkand generating them instead?15:06
saidinesh5Yup15:07
sandsmarkwhen launching, or when searching?15:07
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saidinesh5Neither15:07
sandsmarko.O15:07
saidinesh5QHash<QChar, QHash<QChar, QString>> keys_between15:08
saidinesh5And use that directly in editDistance's cost function15:09
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sandsmarkbut when would you fill that?15:09
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saidinesh5keys_between is constant for a given keyboard layout15:09
sandsmarkah15:09
sandsmarkso still pregen15:09
sandsmarkhmm15:09
saidinesh5Sure, you can say that, but i think it is interesting to not store swipe hints at all15:10
sandsmarkmm15:10
saidinesh5This is like going back to one of the first editdistance methods i wrote, which sucked15:11
saidinesh5The downside would be it seems tougher to experiment with generating curvy swipe hints15:12
saidinesh5And slightly costlier inputLength - swipeHint.length > k15:13
saidinesh5Operation15:14
sandsmarkhmm15:14
saidinesh5The upside is having the memory requirements...15:14
saidinesh5Less than halving15:14
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sandsmarkhmm15:19
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saidinesh5Anyhow what are you up to this weekend?15:23
saidinesh5Also sandsmark I've decided to give up on mmaping15:26
sandsmarkok15:26
saidinesh5Seems absolutely pointless15:26
sandsmarkand this weekend I have to work on something that people will beat me if I don't finish soon15:27
saidinesh5The os would anyway be paging right?15:27
sandsmark(a case for a compo)15:27
sandsmarkyeah, I guess15:27
saidinesh5Lol i see15:27
saidinesh5But yeah i couldn't find a single resource on how to get QList<Qstring> deal with mmap15:29
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saidinesh5And as the OS will anyway be paging things in and out for us, mmap seems useless...15:30
sandsmarkyeah, I guess15:31
saidinesh5But I'm not too sure about removing swipeHints completely though15:33
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saidinesh5Because i wanted to experiment with bezier curves for swipe hints15:34
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saidinesh5And beziers are a little more...  Complex than just keys between...15:35
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LinnakHi, I'd like to know whether will be hugarian language on sailfish15:41
sandsmarksaidinesh5: idunno, imho. the matching is pretty good already15:41
sandsmarkI'm not sure if much will be gained by using curves15:41
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saidinesh5For the top 1000 words it's good enough(3 fails), and after tonight I'll know how it deals with top 10000 words15:43
saidinesh5But curves seem interesting....15:43
saidinesh5But yeah you're right, it's just a matter of caching the curves if needed...15:44
YanielLinnak: probably a matter of demand/someone just doing the translation15:44
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LinnakYaniel: ok15:45
Mikaelawhere do the translations happen?15:45
Yaniel(I'm not affiliated with jolla, it's just my personal impression)15:46
Linnakhi, I'd like to know why is sailfish better than android? I have never used either. Also would like to know why would I buy a phone with sailfish over tizen15:46
Mikaelabecause with Sailfish you have more fredom to your phone including package manager (pkcon) while on Android you must root and void your warranty to do anything. No idea on Tizen15:47
Yanielsailfish is basically just another linux distro15:48
Mikaelayou are probably also more likely to get OS updates than with <random manufacturer> Android15:48
Yanieland the ui makes you unlearn most things you have used in a matter of days15:48
Yanielit's that  nice to use15:48
Linnakhow can I see sailfish apllication market's choice?15:49
SK_workLinnak: nope :(15:49
Yanielon a sailfish device15:49
Mikaelathe market doesn't have web interface (it's requested though)15:49
Linnak:(15:49
SK_workno web UI15:49
Yaniel+ a lot of android apps work out of the box15:49
Yanielunless they need google play services15:49
Mikaelathe store doesn't have so rich selection those and it includes three other stores for Android apps including Aptoide which has web ui on aptoide.com, I think15:49
LinnakWhat's the point of the marketing strategy selling them?15:49
MikaelaGoogle Play Services aren't that difficult to install either15:50
Yanielparse error15:50
YanielLinnak: please rephrase15:51
LinnakI have a chance to buy a used jolla. Do you think I can update my language later? In a couple of months?15:51
LinnakYaniel: I mean how do the marketing guys want to sell a phone with sailfish if I can't see before what will I get with?15:52
Mikaelathere is language in setttings15:52
Yanielno hungarian in 1.1.1.27 yet though15:53
YanielLinnak: depends on what you are interested in specifically15:53
Mikaelabut when update brings it, it will probably be in those setttings. I think this was asked15:53
MikaelaLinnak: https://together.jolla.com/question/2721/jolla-application-store-web-version/ is the link by the way15:53
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YanielI did get pretty much what I knew I was getting15:54
LinnakYaniel: Useful apps for the reason people buy smartphones15:54
Yanielmy reason was not having to root/jailbreak it to get a real terminal15:55
LinnakI see15:56
Yanielhaven't really needed many apps15:56
ikarusAre the people at Jolla working on more UI guidelines btw ? because I15:56
Yanielwhich ones would be important to you?15:56
Linnaksailfish is just on jolla right?15:56
Yanielso far yes15:56
ikarus'd like some more recommendations on things like "multiple views", etc15:56
LinnakYaniel: there are a tons of apps15:56
Yanielthere are some images for nexus 4 and similar15:57
LinnakI tried the sdk in virtualbox but i could only use the lock screen slider15:57
YanielI have no need for "tons of apps" if I never end up installing any of them15:57
Linnakthat was all that the virtual machine let me to see or use15:58
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LinnakYaniel: I'd like to not use my pc if I don't have to15:58
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BernteWhich application can I use to watch MPEG movies on my phone? Is VLC available?16:02
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Linnakwho knows how long sailfish will last?16:04
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Linnakwill it last more than ten years or just two?16:05
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Yanieluntil the nemo community dies16:08
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saidinesh5Also sandsmark the main reason i I'm giving up on mmap is because one segfault and bam corrupted database16:11
sandsmarktrue16:11
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YanielLinnak: not use your pc for what16:13
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Linnakfor exapmle I can't use on windows phone or on ios anything in a webbrowser which need flash16:16
Yanielflash should be long dead anyway16:17
Yanielbut apparently there are browsers for android that support it16:17
Yanielyou could use such one if necessary16:17
Linnakthey saying this for years now but i have importan webapplication which required flash16:18
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tortoisedocduh16:29
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ikarusperhaps someone here knows, trying to do some processing on preview frames (not modify them) from a QML Camera, am I correct in that I'd have to set the Camera mediaObject->setViewFinder to a custom QAbstractVideoSurface implementation that works as a passthrough for VideoOutput (setting it as a source there)16:46
ikaruswith all the issues that either the QAbstractVideoSurface implementation needs to be fast enough, or it needs to asynchronously fire off workers to prevent blocking the preview (and hence causing lag or low framerate on that)16:47
ikarusor is there a cleaner way ?16:47
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ikarusguess I am writing silly code with tons of pitfalls17:32
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coderuskimmoli: ^18:44
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kimmoli?18:44
coderuskimmoli: how you doing thermal viewer? isn't it related to ikarus q?18:45
kimmolishader18:45
coderusokay :(18:46
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kimmolibut hwat does "processing without modifying" mean?18:49
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kimmoliaa18:50
* kimmoli thinks slow18:50
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coderusICQ Account for #SailfishOS published at OpenRepos: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/icq-account18:53
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kimmolimeh, i had ICQ 15 years ago. finding number might need some deep digging19:20
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r0kk3rzyeah i saw the thing on tjc19:21
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r0kk3rzand thought "woah people still use icq??"19:21
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r0kk3rzthat was popular when i still had dialup19:21
r0kk3rzthen everyone moved to msn messenger19:21
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kimmolii just did found webpage from 200019:26
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kimmoliand that email did still work, redirected through another email i did not remember either19:27
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DarkSimHello! :)19:37
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cvp_coderus, .. THANK YOU :)19:53
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Nightmare__yea icq is working again on sailfish :) but all my contacs have left icq a few years ago :(20:07
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cvp_jap, this is why i thanks coderus :) it works again, and no icon problem any more.20:13
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micko_where can I find silica documentation? google finds only "Oops! Page not found" and I don't seem to find it via navigating sailfish.org20:19
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kimmolifrom sdk20:28
kimmolimicko_: webpages are under "maintenance" for now silica docs can be found only from SDK20:28
micko_ok. thanks. I didn't even think of the sdk20:29
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coderuscvp_: :D20:42
coderuskimmoli: if you remember your 15y.o. email you can remember number at icq.com webpage20:42
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cvp_now only 2 apps for sailfish and iam happy :P20:45
coderuscvp_: which ones? :D20:47
coderusExtended my Indiegogo campaign using InDemand Program! You can continue helping me: http://igg.me/at/coderus Near plans and new God perk added!20:48
cvp_coderus, hyperion + dreambox remote app :D20:48
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kimmolicvp_: didn't you already coded it yourself?20:49
cvp_kimmoli, no ^^ i dot have any coder skills :P20:50
cvp_only a bit html :P20:50
kimmolijust install the sdk and start.. it will be fun (they said)20:51
DarkSimI'm so tempted to buy the Jolla Tablet :O20:51
cvp_... lol :D i install one years ago, and try 4-5 times, but nothing will in my head :(20:52
cvp_last try is 2 weeks ago...20:53
tzafrirI got my new Jolla phone. How do I install package repositories without registering an account with Jolla?20:54
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ryukafalztzafrir: Which package repositories? The default ones you can access with either zypper or pkcon from a terminal20:59
ryukafalzmay also want to enable the "mer-tools" repo which has some useful command line tools20:59
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Yaniel...which you get by installing developer tools, for which you need to have a jolla account set up AFAIK21:01
ryukafalzI don't think so?21:02
Yaniel(the terminal that is)21:02
ryukafalzall you need to do is enable developer mode in settings21:02
YanielIhaven't actually tried21:02
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ryukafalzit's a toggle, I haven't tried but I would be surprised if it didn't work without a jolla account21:02
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tzafrirIt requires a Jolla account21:05
kimmoliafaik it installs from store, so account is needed21:05
Yanielyou could just get a rpm for fingerterm and install it by hand though21:06
coderustzafrir: why you don't want to create jolla account? :D21:06
ryukafalzcoderus: Well, I have one myself, but I understand why from a philosophical perspective21:06
urjamanit would be nice if the store wouldnt need an account to download stuff ...21:06
tzafrirWhat about https://openrepos.net/content/basil/warehouse-sailfishos ?21:07
ryukafalztzafrir: That will work, if you can install it without terminal enabled21:07
Yanielyou can21:07
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Yanieldirectly from downloads21:08
ryukafalzDoes developer mode require a separate package on the Jolla phone? The Nexus 4 image comes with it.21:08
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coderustzafrir: what is your os version btw?21:10
kimmoligrr... rpm Obsoletes: tag is not allowed in harbour21:13
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tzafrircoderus, 1.0.8.1921:23
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merlin1991hm where did the faq go on sailfishos.org21:35
merlin1991oh it's  behind https://sailfishos.org/develop/sdk-overview/ now21:36
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coderustzafrir: you also need jolla account to upgrade your outdated sailfish version to latest one21:40
merlin1991hm how would I manually invoke rpmvalidator in the build engine, inside sb2 our outside?21:42
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kimmolimerlin1991: outside, rpmvalidation.sh21:48
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merlin1991thanks21:49
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merlin1991now I wonder how well this works when I drop it into my native mer platform sdk :D21:49
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merlin1991hm to harbourify my application I need to replace QtPositioning in my qml, the faq mentiones the geoclue dbus api, are there any pure qml examples for that available?22:37
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coderusmerlin1991: just compile it and bundle22:52
merlin1991I didn't look at it closely yet, does it have a qml component I can use or what?22:54
coderuswhat is your question?22:58
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merlin1991okay lets take a step back, I have a pyotherside / qml application and need some location information, and the whole thing should be harbour ready, what to use?22:59
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merlin1991damn it looks like i either have to hack something fancy or I'm out of luck :/23:32
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ajalkaneAnyone know how I will get #include <dsme/messages.h> to work with build? I need it for libiphb23:44
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merlin1991ajalkane: you probably need some BuildRequire in your spec?23:46
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ajalkanemerlin1991: Mayhaps. I don't know anything about such things though. Any examples you could point at?23:48
merlin1991are you using a .spec file to build or compiling straight in the sdk?23:49
ajalkanemerlin1991: I'm using the SDK, so it's the normal yaml to spec thing23:50
merlin1991ah okay, one sec then23:50
* merlin1991 never uses that :D23:50
* ajalkane not getting into vi vs. emacs battle23:50
merlin1991well what I meant with that is that I have to have a quick look because I skip the yaml->spec step23:51
ajalkaneyeah ok... I wasn't totally serious :). Thanks for taking a look, having a working example would really help even if it was just a .spec thing23:52
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ajalkanemerlin1991: with your hint I found "BuildRequires:  libiphb-devel"23:53
merlin1991yeah, but that is directly for the .spec but you'll want to add a pkgconfigbr line to the yaml ..23:54
ajalkaneokay... I found one example of including it in .pro file but it didn't work23:54
ajalkane(PKGCONFIG += libiphb)23:55
ajalkanethat didn't work23:55
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merlin1991btw dsme/messages.h is not in libiphb23:56
ajalkaneno, but libiphb requires it to build23:56
ajalkaneit's included from iphb_internal.h23:56
merlin1991okay in PkgConfigBR23:57
merlin1991add dsme23:57
merlin1991that should help23:57
merlin1991(in the yaml)23:57
ajalkanemerlin1991: magic, thank you. It got further. But now I'm getting error: "/opt/cross/bin/armv7hl-meego-linux-gnueabi-ld: libiphb.o: undefined reference to symbol 'clock_gettime@@GLIBC_2.4'"23:59
ajalkaneany idea about that?23:59

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