Thursday, 2015-02-26

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impromptuhello05:28
impromptuis sailfish OS fully free ?05:28
Yanielno it s not "RMS free"05:28
impromptuWhat is RMS Free ?05:29
Yanielif that is what you are asking05:29
impromptuFree as in Freedom ya05:29
impromptuI was wondering if I has been ported to other devices05:29
YanielRMS's definition of Free As In Freedom05:29
Yanielthere are some wip ports yes05:30
impromptuok05:30
impromptuI like the UI05:30
impromptuand the design05:30
Yanielnexus 4 and some similar devices iirc05:30
impromptuis it full GNU/Linux ?05:30
Yanielabsolutely05:30
impromptuwow05:30
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Yanielsome android dribers via libhybris05:31
impromptuwhat is the name of the package manager ?05:31
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Yanieldrivers*05:31
Yanielpackagekit or libzypp, not sure which one it actually is05:31
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Yanielpkcon is the default tool for installing stuff05:31
impromptuok05:31
Yanielmany people like to use zypper though and that is what the sdk vm uses as well05:32
impromptuok05:42
impromptuYaniel, what does Sailfish has to offer in terms of security ?05:43
Yanielnot much yet (it is pretty much a plain linux distro, for good or bad)05:45
Yanielbut Jolla is currently looking into SELinux05:45
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Yanielimpromptu: or what kind of security do you mean?05:53
YanielIIRC people have managed to encrypt their home folder but no full-disk encryption yet05:54
Yanielanyway I'm not very well versed in security stuff, someone else should probably chime in on that05:56
Yanielpreferrably from a sailor05:56
impromptuYaniel, I hope this OS is ported to my cellphone05:57
impromptuI would love to use it05:57
tbrit only gets ported if someone™ does it05:57
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jaacoppiimpromptu: why not just buy a jolla phone?05:58
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Yaniel^ they're not even that expensive any more05:59
Yanielanyway http://forum.xda-developers.com/jolla-sailfish/general is probably a good place to keep your eye on if you are interested in ports06:00
impromptuok06:00
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impromptujaacoppi, I would buy it, but can we use CM or android ports on Jolla Phone ?06:01
impromptuin case I don't like Jolla OS ?06:01
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YanielI don't think anyone has found a need to try :D06:02
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impromptuok that is good06:03
impromptu:p06:03
Nicd-impromptu: what is your cell phone?06:03
impromptuGeeksphone Revolution06:04
impromptuIt has Android 4.206:04
impromptuCM 11 4.4.406:04
impromptuFF 1.306:04
impromptuFF 2.006:04
impromptunow we need Ubuntu Touch and Sailfish OS on it06:04
impromptuSailfish OS should be the first06:05
Nicd-ah, then it's probably possible to port it06:05
Nicd-sailfish I mean06:05
sakustarimpromptu: http://www.geeksphone.com/ ?06:07
locusfif it has cm11 then hybris-11.0 should work06:08
locusfimpromptu: if you want more information on how its done, join #sailfishos-porters06:09
impromptusakustar, yep06:09
impromptulocusf, I cannot do it, but the dev are saying they might start working on porting Sailfish OS06:10
locusfs/how its done/how it could be done/g06:10
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locusfoh so the devs themselves, well why not06:11
locusfalthough I'm sure they would need to license sailfish if they are going to ship it commercially, community ports are ok though06:11
impromptulocusf, they might release the community port06:13
locusfha, its ia3206:14
locusfyou'd need to wait for sailfishos to have its binaries released in 32-bits as well06:14
locusfso the only thing that can be ported on that device is Nemo Mobile at this moment06:15
impromptupl06:15
impromptuok06:15
impromptuwhat happened to Tizen ?06:15
impromptuit died ?06:15
Yanielia32 so basically wait for the tablet?06:15
locusfYaniel: yes06:16
locusfimpromptu: tizen is alive and well, samsung just released a Tizen device in january06:16
impromptuok06:16
locusfhttps://twitter.com/vgrade/status/57069718828580864006:17
locusfso its been done already06:17
sakustari dont trust twitter06:17
impromptuuse quitter06:18
sakustarqreat idea :)06:18
locusfimpromptu: do you know if its using uefi (geeksphone)?06:21
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impromptulocusf, no I don't know06:21
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Stskeepsit has a locked bootloader afaik06:24
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impromptuStskeeps, ok, but we can install anything06:26
Yanielwell if the devs are interested in porting sailfish the bootloader should be a solveable problem, no?06:27
impromptuYaniel, how could it be locked ? when we have plenty of OS options ?06:31
impromptufrom Android to CM to FF ?06:31
impromptualso we have an option to install other OS from within the ANdroid / CM enviornment06:32
Yaniellocked bootloader usually means it refuses to boot images that are not signed with the right key06:32
locusfwell sailfishos lives in /data but needs a custom kernel06:32
locusfso I guess the locked bootloader also means no home-brew kernels either06:33
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impromptuYaniel, then they are going to build Sailfish OS06:38
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m4g0gIs is possible to check QFlags in QML?07:36
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ShawnMcCoolknow of any interesting alternate input methods built for sailfish?07:54
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ShawnMcCoolhas anyone built apps on jolla with languages other than c++ or python?07:59
Yanielyou mean like "real" apps?08:00
Yanielthere are of course your standard perl and bash things on the command line08:00
ln-ShawnMcCool: somebody surely has built them with qml.08:00
Yanielwell, and actually most apps are mostly qml+javascript08:00
ShawnMcCoolwell sure, i mean like.. with Go or Rust08:00
ShawnMcCoolsomething like that08:01
Yanielhaven't heard of anyone using either08:01
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ShawnMcCoolah bummer, i can live without every doing C++ again, qml seems.. ok, and python i find to be so freaken boring. anyway, thanks for answering =)08:01
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Yanielnothing prevents you from trying to get $LANGUAGE working08:02
ShawnMcCoolyup! and believe me, i will08:03
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ShawnMcCoolbut my jolla device deosn't get here for a bit, so i'm just researching08:03
Nicd-PHP here we come!08:03
Nicd-;)08:03
ShawnMcCoolhahaha08:03
Yanielas long as it compiles to armv7hl binaries somehow it should be possible08:03
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ShawnMcCoolany resources for someone who is looking to try to deploy arm7 binaries from different programming languages with QT bindings?08:13
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ShawnMcCoolor in general any reasonably deep technical resources that you recommend for someone new to sailfish?08:14
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sakustarYaniel: what? javascript ?08:20
Yaniel..or has an interpreter available for armv7hl08:21
ShawnMcCoolthanks Yaniel, btw08:21
sakustarso, youre basically saying i can jump ship without learning c++08:21
Yanielpretty much08:22
Yanielfor qml+js you need little bit of C++ to set up the qml view but that is what the project template gives you to begin with so it should not be a concern08:22
Nicd-ShawnMcCool: here's example code for a very simple app I made (available on OpenRepos). the C++ side is minimal and all the rest is QML and JavaScript: https://bitbucket.org/vincit/harbour-pitot/src08:24
ShawnMcCoolthanks man08:24
Nicd-maybe it will give you an idea08:25
ShawnMcCoolor thanks person, i guess08:25
ShawnMcCoolsounds weird online08:25
Nicd-man is fine :)08:25
sakustarNicd-: nice, thanks08:29
ShawnMcCoollooks pretty straight-forward08:30
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Juubai guess the Wifi losing all data connections was an issue, was it fixed in 1.1.2.16?08:53
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Juuba"a real issue, and not just a fluke" i mean08:54
kimmolidr_gogeta86: http://www.digikey.com/product-highlights/us/en/cui-encapsulated-ac-dc/309108:55
dr_gogeta86good morning08:55
dr_gogeta86kimmoli, a bit high price08:56
dr_gogeta86but are awesome08:56
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mal-Hi, I'm just curious if anyone is developing VDR-streaming client for Sailfish? I was thinking of trying to do it and making sure that there is no ongoing project already11:30
tbrwhat's VDR?11:31
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mal-tbr: a digital television system for linux http://tvdr.de/11:32
tbrah11:34
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dr_gogeta86there was tvheadend client11:42
dr_gogeta86just hack ...11:42
dr_gogeta86https://github.com/goroboro/TVHeadFish11:43
tbrshouldn't be too hard using gstreamer and some UI11:43
dr_gogeta86isn't hard at all and protocol is well documented11:44
tbryou'll need to get (and possibly license) MPEG2 and AC3 codecs though11:44
goroboroTVHeadFish is a bit of a mess... the problem with tvheadend is that it uses its own hts protocol... and I was just developing around the JSON returned by the web api which is constantly changing...11:45
goroboroso TVHeadFish only works with particular versions of tvheadend11:45
dr_gogeta86hi goroboro i think you are missing from scene11:45
goroborolol11:45
goroboroI haven't had much development time for a while now11:46
dr_gogeta86btw i don't wanna talk about this kind of things11:46
mal-vdr had a nice streaming system called streamdev, which is stable11:46
gorobororeally I should recode TVHeadFish to work with HTSP... but I need a while to look at it11:46
dr_gogeta86nowadays stbs got hw encoder inside with adaptive bitrate11:47
goroboromostly nowadays I just use kodi/xbmc for my mainstream media centre and then connect to that from my phone if I want to watch something on sailfish11:48
dr_gogeta86better to port kodi on nemomobile/sailfish11:48
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chem|sttigeli: is that a "wontfix" for the connman stuff?12:23
tigelichem|st: editing networks which are not in the coverage?12:23
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Anandrkrisscoderus: hi12:39
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AnandrkrissAndroid notifications app keeps making sound and haptic feedback continuously when 1Mobile app is used12:40
tbrprobably constantly updated notification12:41
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tbrthat's app misbehaviour and a bug12:42
Anandrkrisswas trying to install an app12:42
Anandrkrisstbr: hmm possibly yes12:42
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chem|sttigeli: yeah12:42
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Anandrkrissjust thought will report in any case...12:42
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chem|sttigeli: I know that this needs to be fixed upstream if jolla does not implement their own manager on top of connman12:44
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coderusanyway i cannot answer Anandrkriss because this guy don't know how to use irc and laving conversation constantly13:05
chem|stcoderus: then don't13:07
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m4g0g1) did anybody notice problems with Friends application and problems with facebook integration in jolla?13:22
m4g0g2) is it possible in qml check QFlags value via & operator?13:23
Nicd-2) have you tried?13:23
m4g0gyes. Always result false. But may be I am doing something wrong13:24
Nicd-then maybe you should show the code you have, the results and the results you expected13:25
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SfietKonstantinWm4g0g: no13:32
SfietKonstantinWfor 213:32
m4g0gwhy&13:32
SfietKonstantinWm4g0g: for 1, I guess is that there is an API change13:32
SfietKonstantinW:(13:32
m4g0g?13:32
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m4g0gFriends has problems with feed page or I don't proper name for page with news from friends. But notifications page in friends is awesome. Jolla facebook notifications page doesn't work, as i understand13:33
SfietKonstantinWm4g0g: IIRC qflags becomes int13:33
SfietKonstantinWm4g0g: I see13:33
SfietKonstantinWI think that the fql api is down13:34
SfietKonstantinWand I don't have enough energy to check what should be done for this13:34
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Nicd-but if qflags becomes an int, you can check if with &13:34
Nicd-if the values are 1,2,4,8,16,32...13:34
m4g0gNicd-: this13:35
SfietKonstantinWdon't know if you have & in JS13:36
SfietKonstantinWif you have, then maybe13:36
Nicd-you do13:36
Nicd-https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/Operators/Bitwise_Operators13:36
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m4g0ghttp://hastebin.com/danegekawa13:37
m4g0ghttp://codepad.org/elXbtetF13:37
m4g0gso, in this case I should have separate role per QFlag? Or there is other way?13:38
Nicd-have you printed out what commentPrivileges and MnemosyManager.CanDelete have as values?13:41
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daithefluhi guys, I'm wondering if those who backed the Jolla Tablet have received some news by email. They were supposed to keep us updated, but I never got anything. Is that ok ?13:43
Stskeepsdaitheflu: we're trying to keep updated through http://blog.jolla.com13:43
Stskeepsas wel13:43
Stskeepsk13:43
daithefluStskeeps: okay, so I'm not missing anything :) Thanks :)13:44
Stskeepshttps://blog.jolla.com/jolla-tablet-hardware-adaptation-video-update/ is new today13:44
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daitheflujust read it, it looks promising13:48
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chem|stStskeeps: the UI needs alot of love still, but hail slaten it is working!13:56
Stskeepschem|st: the video isn't about the video, in hw adaptation we could care less about the ui :)13:56
Stskeepser, about the ui13:57
chem|styes I know13:57
Stskeepsas long as the knobs in it are there to demonstrate functionality13:57
SfietKonstantinWStskeeps: screen dimming don't look nice13:57
SfietKonstantinWit do not dim much13:57
SfietKonstantinWbut it looks smooth13:57
Stskeepsreally hard to get on camera13:57
SfietKonstantinWeven if the resolution is hue13:57
SfietKonstantinWhuge13:57
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chem|stthe resolution of the display is demonic abomination on 7" I do not even have that on my 10" netbook^^13:59
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chem|stor my 40" TV for that matter^^14:02
Nicd-well TV resolutions are pretty low14:02
zGrrmoin :)14:04
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chem|sttime for a new TV then...14:07
Nicd-you watch TV from quite far though14:07
Nicd-so you don't need that DPI14:07
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chem|stNicd-: compare the distance... my tv is high-res - but 4k TVs are now ~400eur14:41
chem|stbetter question is, where do you get the x-folding pro in europe^^14:43
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m4g0gguys, why QFlag have undefined value in qml. This is enum. Why?19:25
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SfietKonstantinWm4g0g: because QFlag is not a QObject19:28
m4g0genum too19:28
SfietKonstantinWwhy are you trying to use qflag ?19:28
SfietKonstantinWcast enum to in19:28
SfietKonstantinWor did you forgot Q_ENUMS macro ?19:28
m4g0gNo. I have this macro and proxy enum for values19:29
SfietKonstantinWm4g0g: show some code19:30
m4g0ghttp://codepad.org/MjGLcIje19:31
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SfietKonstantinWm4g0g: and ?19:36
SfietKonstantinWhow do you exort these enums to QML ?19:36
m4g0git's enough19:37
SfietKonstantinWwhy ?19:37
SfietKonstantinWit can be because you are not using the good signature in the q_property19:38
SfietKonstantinW(for example19:38
SfietKonstantinW)19:38
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m4g0gargh. Lol. I use invalid prefix name: MnemosyManager instead of Mnemosy19:39
m4g0gI am so stupid...19:39
SfietKonstantinW:(19:40
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m4g0git's work. QFLags with bitwise & operation19:41
M4rtinKwell, I've already introduced it here but it was quite late, so once again:19:41
M4rtinKhttps://github.com/M4rtinK/qqr.js19:41
M4rtinK^^ standalone QtQuick QRCode **display** element19:41
M4rtinKin case someone finds it handy :)19:42
Yanielm4g0g: you're working on nemosyne?19:42
m4g0gno19:42
SfietKonstantinWM4rtinK: :)19:43
m4g0git's livejournal client19:43
Yanielah19:43
M4rtinKSfietKonstantinW: a bit of marketing is needed sometimes ;-)19:43
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SfietKonstantinWindeed19:46
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ShawnMcCoolin qt builder, how do i know where i can put an image? for example i'm inside a CoverBackground {} and trying to add an Image {} and it doesn't show up.20:17
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ejjomanShawnMcCool: Show code, or it didn't happen! :)20:17
ShawnMcCoolhttp://kopy.io/eMxge =)20:18
ejjomanyou can use the cover of SailWave as reference: https://github.com/ejjoman/harbour-sailwave/blob/master/qml/cover/CoverPage.qml20:18
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ShawnMcCooli'll do that thanks20:19
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ejjomanyour link does not work :/20:19
ShawnMcCoolreally? works for me, ok hold20:20
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ShawnMcCoolhttp://hastebin.com/ivujilepix.sm20:20
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ejjomanthose pages are not loading O.o20:22
ShawnMcCoolthis is all i see http://hastebin.com/ivujilepix.sm20:22
ejjomanah, now it works :)20:23
coderusShawnMcCool: /home/shawn/src/HeyListen/images/dev-discussions.png doesn't looks like file in valid path for phone :)20:23
ShawnMcCoolah qt builder added it, is putting images/ under the root folder correct though?20:24
ejjomanyeah... that's it :D20:24
ShawnMcCooli'll look at the repo20:24
ejjomanwhat is qt builder?20:24
ShawnMcCoolsailfish os ide20:24
ejjomando you mean Qt Creator?20:24
ShawnMcCoolyea20:25
ejjomandon't use the tooltips, QtC provides for Image element... it does not work20:25
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ShawnMcCoolgotcha, thanks =) yup, fixed it right up20:26
coderusShawnMcCool: well, seems something basic knowledge of qt development is mising :)20:26
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ejjomannow I have a question, too: is there any way to get an icon with glass style?20:27
ejjomanlike the bullet of the Silica Switch element, just with a custom icon?20:27
ejjomantried image://glass/ already, but it does not like PNGs :(20:28
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m4g0ghow I can click on invisible item?20:40
m4g0gis it normal?20:40
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Nokiusoh I missed 1.1.2.16 :020:43
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ejjomanm4g0g: ?20:46
coderusm4g0g: what?20:46
m4g0gI have invisible button but i can click on it20:46
m4g0gis it normal&20:46
m4g0g?20:46
coderusm4g0g: visible: false? can you print debug output?20:46
m4g0gwhat do you mean? debug from onClicked? one moment20:47
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m4g0g[D] onClicked:260 - visible: true20:48
coderuslol20:48
m4g0gbut it is invisible20:48
coderusthen its visible :D20:48
coderushow do you make it invisible?20:48
coderusejjoman: use shaders20:49
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coderusejjoman: http://paste.ubuntu.com/1043601220:50
coderusm4g0g: you set height/width something to 0? :D20:51
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m4g0gvisible: condition. But now I see that condition is undefined20:52
ejjomancoderus: thank you, will give it a try :)20:53
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coderusm4g0g: lol, great you debugged it :)20:55
ejjoman:D20:55
* coderus opening qt/qml developer support service. for 10€ i can refactor your project, make it look better for sailfishos, work and respond faster. for additional 5€ i will explain every change i made.20:57
kimmoli:)20:57
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coderusfor first 3 customers 50% discount20:59
Tegudoesn't really sound a bad price if the project is large-ish20:59
m4g0gHow model can return undefined value if this value is QList::count?21:00
coderusm4g0g: list.length21:01
coderuslist in qml have no count property21:01
coderusor i didnt understood well?21:01
m4g0gno. C++ model with role which return item::QList::count21:01
ejjomancoderus: ok, i give you a hello world and you refactor it into... say something like Shazam? :D21:01
m4g0ghttp://codepad.org/gsUdklpN21:03
m4g0gcoderus: ^^21:03
coderusejjoman: Image { source: http://www.shazam.com/assets/images/website/desktop/logo-alt-909816de.png MouseArea { anchors.fill: parent; onClicked: Qt.openUrlExternally("http://shazam.com") } }21:03
coderusm4g0g: case CRChildrenCount: get called?21:04
ejjomancoderus: much functionality, wow :D21:05
m4g0gcoderus: yes. How it can be other?21:05
coderusm4g0g: i didn't seend your full code, so guessing by your 11 lines21:06
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m4g0ghttp://codepad.org/vGrso0Wq21:07
m4g0gmore code?21:07
ejjomanm4g0g: have you defined a property for int LJComment::GetChildrenCount()? or how come you call commentChildrenCount @ QML side?21:07
ejjomanoh, forget it :D21:07
ejjomani'm really tired :/21:08
m4g0gejjoman: last link. No properties: this is model with roles. Last part - from QML21:09
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ejjomando other roles work=21:12
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coderusm4g0g: ^21:21
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m4g0g coderus what&21:26
m4g0g?21:26
m4g0gchange name? or what?21:26
coderusdo other roles work?21:26
m4g0gyes21:27
m4g0gall works fine21:28
coderusdo print model.commentChildrenCount in onCLicked21:31
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m4g0gcoderus: I did it in this item but in other place: returns valid 021:37
coderusdo it in onCLicked21:38
coderusand maybe model.commentChildrenCount > 0 will work?21:41
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m4g0gcoderus: hm. it return false21:57
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M4rtinKcoderus: any tips for a good notification banner component ? :)21:57
m4g0gbut undefined is not > 021:57
m4g0gM4rtinK: Popup component from almost all applications21:58
M4rtinKcoderus: I think I remember you recommending one but can't find it now21:58
coderusM4rtinK: you can get it from mitakuuluu sources for example21:59
M4rtinKcoderus: looking right now but can't find it22:00
coderusM4rtinK: so? what is output of model.commentChildrenCount in button onClicked?22:00
coderusM4rtinK: https://github.com/CODeRUS/mitakuuluu2/blob/master/client/qml/Popup.qml22:01
coderusm4g0g: so? what is output of model.commentChildrenCount in button onClicked?22:01
M4rtinKcoderus: just found it too :D22:01
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M4rtinKthanks :)22:01
m4g0gcoderus: undefined22:01
m4g0ghow it can be?22:02
coderusadd qDebug to case CRChildrenCount:22:02
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m4g0gdone: return 022:04
coderusm4g0g: is it called when you accessing it?22:05
coderusand  check your enum with CRChildrenCount22:05
m4g0git called because it returns from data (). How to check enum with CRChildrenCount?22:06
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coderusm4g0g: where is CRChildrenCount declared?22:10
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m4g0gin header22:10
coderus?22:11
m4g0ghttp://codepad.org/masTln1622:11
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coderuscan you call dataChanged(0, length - 1) by some button?22:16
m4g0ghmm22:22
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m4g0gI think that problem in other because all model values are undefined.22:22
coderus>..<22:24
m4g0git is invisible button. It hasn't name22:24
coderus02:26 < coderus> do other roles work?22:24
coderus02:27 < m4g0g> yes22:24
coderus02:28 < m4g0g> all works fine22:24
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m4g0gcoderus: sorry22:24
coderuslol22:25
m4g0gI make all buttons visible and all of them works find22:25
m4g0gbut place under last button clickable too22:25
coderusone hour of waste time22:25
m4g0glike an item there22:26
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dr_gogeta86coderus: missing mitakuulu quality/features22:28
dr_gogeta86your notifier daemon works just with spotify, once closed wa api i'm offline i dunno why22:29
coderusdr_gogeta86: i don't know what are you talking about :D22:30
dr_gogeta86i've installed android notifier22:31
dr_gogeta86but now whatsapp once closed goes offline22:31
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coderusdr_gogeta86: by now you mean after u11? :D22:32
dr_gogeta86yep22:32
coderus:D22:32
m4g0gcoderus: rowCount from model returns always 3, but commentsView.count return 4. How it can be?22:32
coderusdr_gogeta86: it's feature :)22:32
m4g0gby design =)22:33
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coderusm4g0g: what is your rowCount?22:33
m4g0ghttp://codepad.org/5i6NH2Fg22:33
m4g0greal 3 and it returns 322:34
ejjomanm4g0g: i think, if you had posted your full code, the problem could already be solved22:36
ejjomanthis little snippets are more irritating than it helps22:37
m4g0gwhat code? qml? c++? I can give repo addreess22:37
ejjomando it, please :)22:37
ejjomanboth22:37
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m4g0gqml: https://github.com/Maledictus/mnemosy/blob/master/qml/pages/CommentsPage.qml22:38
m4g0gmodel: https://github.com/Maledictus/mnemosy/blob/master/src/commentsmodel.cpp22:38
m4g0gthis strange item doesn't return from data.22:39
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ejjomanmh... just a wild gues... could it be, that you forgot the "model." in every property read in your listview?23:00
ejjomanguess*23:00
ejjomanokay, didn't know, that this even works :D just testes it by my self...23:02
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ejjomanm4g0g: could you add some qDebug()'s in CommentsModel::data to see, if it gets called and where it returns which value?23:04
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coderusm4g0g: https://github.com/Maledictus/mnemosy/blob/master/src/commentsmodel.cpp#L21023:19
coderushere23:19
coderuscount - 1 is solution23:19
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