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| coderus | Patch: disable windows shuffle. Many peoples asked, so here is simple patch for you :) https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/patch-disable-windows-shuffling | 04:40 |
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| coderus | qml import QtContacts not working in U11 [F] qt_assert_x:2104 - ASSERT failure in qRegisterNormalizedMetaType: "qRegisterNormalizedMetaType was called with a not normalized type name, please call qRegisterMetaType instead.", file /usr/include/qt5/QtCore/qmetatype.h, line 1575 | 05:50 |
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| chriadam | coderus: which version of QtContacts? I mean, which sha1 I guess? | 06:17 |
| chriadam | I wonder if some commit was made which requires a more recent version of QtBase than we have in SailfishOS currently :-/ | 06:19 |
| coderus | chriadam: http://paste.ubuntu.com/10566732 | 06:19 |
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| chriadam | ./plugin.cpp:74: qRegisterMetaType<QContactAbstractRequest::State>("QContactAbstractRequest::State"); | 06:26 |
| chriadam | maybe | 06:26 |
| chriadam | NOPE | 06:27 |
| chriadam | oops caps | 06:27 |
| chriadam | hrm, I'm not sure. I wish that assert printed out the non-normalized typename | 06:27 |
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| coderus | no, there is qRegisterNormalizedMetaType used somewhere | 06:28 |
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| chriadam | the only type registrations which have been added recently are the ones related to collections, as far as I can tell, and those are not in that version of qtpim, they're very new. | 06:28 |
| chriadam | so... yeah, I'm not sure what's going on, unfortunately. | 06:28 |
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| chriadam | coderus: a quick grep in the QtPim source doesn't find any usages of qRegisterNormalizedMetaType at all, so it's probably redirected to that by something internal to QML if anything | 06:31 |
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| coderus | chriadam: okay :D | 06:40 |
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| coderus | btw, updated https://github.com/CODeRUS/better-sailfishos-qmltypes to 1502 SDK | 07:58 |
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| ShawnMcCool | coderus: do you have a good job? | 08:30 |
| ShawnMcCool | have you considered going to like.. amazon and suggesting hey... i could create a sailfish port for your kindle project? or for some reason does that not apply? | 08:31 |
| ShawnMcCool | is it possible to charge for apps on harbour? | 08:31 |
| ShawnMcCool | i haven't seen any pay apps there | 08:31 |
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| ShawnMcCool | either way, kindle wouldn't need to be a pay app | 08:33 |
| Acce | ShawnMcCool: it still has not been released | 08:33 |
| ShawnMcCool | and it could be a solid way to make a chunk of cash for what you're already good at | 08:33 |
| Acce | although it was supposed to come last year, I guess there has been some complications implementing / legal issues that slowed paid app support down | 08:34 |
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| lainwir3d | hi everyone | 08:43 |
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| kengu | greippi | 09:04 |
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| kengu | uhm. wws | 09:05 |
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| Jef91 | If I was looking to buy a non-Jolla mobile to run Sailfish OS what hardware has the best support for that right now? | 12:40 |
| pp | see https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris ? | 12:41 |
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| Jef91 | thanks pp | 12:45 |
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| Jonni | Jef91: basicly Nexus5 | 13:32 |
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| leszek | though the graphics performance is very poor on the nexus5 in comparison with the jolla | 13:37 |
| leszek | I doubt that it is using hardware(gpu) acceleration at all | 13:38 |
| mal- | which kind of graphics do you mean? | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | it always uses gpu | 13:42 |
| Stskeeps | no sw rendering available | 13:43 |
| leszek | then the driver isn't optimized. Or is it libhybris that isn't optimized for it. | 13:43 |
| Stskeeps | or rather, hwcomposer isn't in use | 13:43 |
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| leszek | yeah this could also be it | 13:44 |
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| Jef91 | Yea leszek after doing more reading I think I'm just going to be stuck with my N9 until a Linux phone makes it to the US | 13:48 |
| Jef91 | don't really wanna buy something and have to have hacky hardware support | 13:48 |
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| leszek | Jef91: at least for the moment it is too early for the nexus5 with sailfish os alpha 8 being used as a daily driver. But that can change in the near future. To me the demos of the Nexus 5 with the SailfishOS 2.0 pre version looked a lot smoother than the current alpha versions. So I guess they fixed a lot of stuff there | 13:51 |
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| Jef91 | Good to know leszek | 13:52 |
| leszek | I meant the demos from the mwc | 13:52 |
| Acce | leszek: also, the tablet has more computing power | 13:53 |
| leszek | Acce: I meant the videos of sailfish os 2.0 pre running on the nexus 5 actually and not the tablet :) | 13:55 |
| Acce | leszek: oh, I haven't seen those :) can you link them? | 13:56 |
| Acce | and sorry I read your sentence poorly | 13:56 |
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| leszek | Acce: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Z3Tp770ups | 13:57 |
| leszek | and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FQtd_PqNR2E | 13:57 |
| Acce | thanks! | 13:58 |
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| Acce | it indeed looks very smooth on the n5 | 14:07 |
| leszek | yeah the only stucking I saw was on the second video as soon as he switches from the camera live view to the picture taken. The rest was smoother than the latest alpha we have | 14:08 |
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| Acce | yeap | 14:13 |
| Acce | can't wait until May now :) | 14:13 |
| bluszcz | https://build.merproject.org/user/register_user signup is disabled :/ | 14:13 |
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| SfietKontantinW | bluszcz: go on bugs.merproject.org and register here | 14:37 |
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| bluszcz | SfietKontantinW: thanks, it worked out | 14:51 |
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| bluszcz | is there a way to pass embedded arrays to ListModel? right now when I am passing it seems its loosing everything | 15:56 |
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| uuhimhere | is there a qemu image of sailfishos | 17:11 |
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| Nokius | has some problem updating the SOFS IDE? | 18:54 |
| Nokius | *someone | 18:54 |
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| M4rtinK | heh | 20:04 |
| M4rtinK | the rpmlint is rather brutal in the Mer OBC | 20:04 |
| M4rtinK | bogus date in spec changelog -> error -> failed build :D | 20:05 |
| M4rtinK | no changelog is fine though :) | 20:05 |
| tbr | M4rtinK: IIRC you can finetune this to ignore certain rpmlint problems etc | 20:08 |
| tbr | M4rtinK: supposedly you can use the obs changelog of a project as the rpm changelog. I have yet to figure this out though | 20:08 |
| M4rtinK | well, that does not seem like a good idea to me :) | 20:09 |
| M4rtinK | I do quite a lot "scratch builds" | 20:09 |
| M4rtinK | especially when making a new package/porting one | 20:10 |
| tbr | that depends on conventions | 20:10 |
| M4rtinK | well, yeah | 20:10 |
| M4rtinK | also I really think all the data should reside in the spec & tarball | 20:10 |
| M4rtinK | + any patches | 20:10 |
| tbr | and it's in many OBSs seen as inconsiderate or impolite to rebuild your package for testing all the time | 20:10 |
| tbr | that's what "osc build" is for | 20:10 |
| M4rtinK | well, it it works :) | 20:11 |
| M4rtinK | *if | 20:11 |
| tbr | also you can SR | 20:11 |
| M4rtinK | SR ? | 20:11 |
| tbr | that's how you submit a request from a testing project to an "upstream" project to include some changes | 20:12 |
| tbr | AFAIU only the message from that is logged in the changelog | 20:12 |
| M4rtinK | oh, right | 20:12 |
| M4rtinK | I guess that would work | 20:13 |
| M4rtinK | building locally/in a scratch build project | 20:13 |
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| M4rtinK | an only rebuilding on actual changes once it is included in a "stable" project | 20:13 |
| tbr | yes | 20:14 |
| M4rtinK | that's how Chum could work | 20:14 |
| tbr | that was the intention | 20:14 |
| tbr | but I suspect chum is dead | 20:14 |
| M4rtinK | well | 20:14 |
| M4rtinK | I did what an application developer should do | 20:14 |
| M4rtinK | submitted my app | 20:15 |
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| M4rtinK | I have also other packages and ports that could be submitted | 20:15 |
| M4rtinK | I also helped wit the initial brainstorming | 20:15 |
| M4rtinK | but other would also need to take part in it | 20:15 |
| M4rtinK | it is of course a chicken and egg problem | 20:16 |
| tbr | well, the BOSS side of things never happened, as jolla seems to have sucked out all energy out of lbt and his real life got the rest | 20:16 |
| tbr | and the community gave a sh*t | 20:16 |
| M4rtinK | as long as it is not really usable (no client, no community QA, etc.) there is no interest and the other way around | 20:16 |
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| M4rtinK | well, I at least think I did my part | 20:17 |
| tbr | also people love the thousand ways you can break your device with or | 20:17 |
| * lbt is working on recharging lbt atm :) | 20:17 | |
| tbr | M4rtinK: so believe did I | 20:17 |
| tbr | M4rtinK: but it seems that someone forgot to port the vibrant community from maemo to meego to mer to sailfish | 20:18 |
| M4rtinK | well, it is there at least partially | 20:18 |
| M4rtinK | and the ToH KBD might help to get back another part of it | 20:19 |
| tbr | then why isn't there a thriving open source app community submitting to chum? | 20:19 |
| M4rtinK | but some people might get lost on the rather long way | 20:19 |
| tbr | oh right because there is OR, where you can dump of your toxic waste quality binary only build without going through any testing or qa | 20:19 |
| M4rtinK | because chum is night impossible to use ofr normal users | 20:19 |
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| M4rtinK | vs everybody running Extras-Devel on the N900 ? | 20:20 |
| tbr | screw normal users, I'm talking about developers | 20:20 |
| M4rtinK | also it Devel was about the only usable app repo | 20:20 |
| Nokius | lbt: hope your fine ;) | 20:20 |
| lbt | getting there Nokius ... getting there :) | 20:21 |
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| M4rtinK | I submitted my stuff to chum | 20:21 |
| M4rtinK | but what next ? | 20:21 |
| tbr | M4rtinK: at least there was a defined way for open source apps | 20:21 |
| M4rtinK | who is going it use it from there ? | 20:21 |
| Nokius | lbt sounds not so good, but hope it will soon | 20:21 |
| M4rtinK | they can very well fetch it from my OBS repo... | 20:21 |
| tbr | M4rtinK: as you said much earlier, that's once the henn has laid that egg | 20:21 |
| tbr | M4rtinK: you're getting ahead of yourself, drop that thought. | 20:21 |
| tbr | M4rtinK: first you need working apps, more than 3 across | 20:22 |
| M4rtinK | ? | 20:22 |
| tbr | M4rtinK: you need people who want to maintain such a repository and ensure its quality | 20:22 |
| tbr | only then you can start thinking of letting endusers near that | 20:22 |
| M4rtinK | then its dead :) | 20:22 |
| M4rtinK | seeing how overworked the only people who can do most of the needed infra stuff are | 20:23 |
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| tbr | yes, because there is nobody who gives a damn about open source community in sailfish land. | 20:23 |
| Nokius | lbt: played with OBS and the SDK it nice. Haveto play on there tomorrow cu | 20:23 |
| * M4rtinK does ;-) | 20:23 | |
| tbr | yes, you me, two people | 20:24 |
| tbr | jolla is busy trying to shovel water out of their boat that's being rocked by the real world storm | 20:24 |
| tbr | they don't have time to care for things that don't add business value | 20:24 |
| tbr | and by that I mean "that don't add measurable and immediate business value" | 20:25 |
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| tbr | the notion of value from a thriving open source and developer community that nokia management somehow got, seems completely lost on jolla | 20:25 |
| r0kk3rz | you would think things like 'developer community' and 'available apps' adds business value to their smartphone platform | 20:26 |
| tbr | they support device ports, because it brings immediate value, it shows their product can run and improves its sales value | 20:26 |
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| M4rtinK | the trainwreck that is the Jolla store is frankly a mystery to me... | 20:27 |
| tbr | r0kk3rz: not immediately measurable → nobody cares if it's a life and death struggle against the storm | 20:27 |
| M4rtinK | that seems like something to add "business value" but it feels pretty neglected | 20:27 |
| r0kk3rz | well a cut of app sales would give them an additional income stream | 20:28 |
| r0kk3rz | however small | 20:28 |
| tbr | jolla is a small company, they have to prioritize all the time | 20:28 |
| * lbt suggests that "seems completely lost on jolla" would also be "not immediately measurable" | 20:28 | |
| Nokius | tbr: is this the reason why you to drop out? (kind off) | 20:29 |
| tbr | lbt: I draw my conclusions from public observation over the course of 1+ year | 20:29 |
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| tbr | Nokius: no, the last straw were personal attacks and insults by an employee, for which I never received an apology. | 20:29 |
| bluszcz | are there any jolla mobile mockup (front view etc) free to use? | 20:29 |
| tbr | later it was "oh oh just an misunderstanding" | 20:30 |
| r0kk3rz | tbr really? thats pretty shit... | 20:30 |
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| Nokius | tbr: oh thats sad to hear | 20:30 |
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| r0kk3rz | given how much of jolla pr relies on togetherness and community .etc | 20:31 |
| * lbt notes that the world is made up of individual human beings | 20:31 | |
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| lbt | some of whom are assholes tbh | 20:31 |
| r0kk3rz | and corporate entities lbt | 20:31 |
| r0kk3rz | they're people too remember | 20:31 |
| r0kk3rz | at least in america... | 20:31 |
| tbr | lbt: yes, and if individuals leverage their employer and decision making power, then it changes things. ever. so. damn. slightly. | 20:31 |
| lbt | r0kk3rz: ha - they're an excuse for dysfunctional assholes to say "the business says...." | 20:32 |
| lbt | tbr: granted | 20:32 |
| Nokius | tbr: yeah but there is no alternative to Jolla (there Product) | 20:34 |
| lbt | you could get an ubuntu phone.... | 20:34 |
| tbr | Nokius: that from a german. are you making a "muttiraute" right now? ;-) | 20:34 |
| * lbt runs :) | 20:34 | |
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| r0kk3rz | shuttleworth phone | 20:35 |
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| tbr | sailfish remains promising, even if deeply flawed | 20:35 |
| tbr | other projects have their own flaws | 20:35 |
| tbr | there is nothing flawless | 20:35 |
| tbr | but never say that something has no alternative | 20:36 |
| popey | Nokia 3210 is close to flawless ㋛ | 20:36 |
| tbr | someone has an ubuntu hilight? ;) | 20:36 |
| popey | maybe ㋛ | 20:36 |
| lbt | haha | 20:36 |
| Nokius | tbr: no I don't do "muttiraute" | 20:37 |
| r0kk3rz | nokia 3310 is the quintessential nokia for me | 20:37 |
| Nokius | but also the others have "problems" | 20:37 |
| r0kk3rz | indestructible, battery that lasted for ages, snake | 20:37 |
| tbr | yes, just don't say "alternativlos" ;) | 20:38 |
| tbr | we should get together and write NOS2 | 20:38 |
| r0kk3rz | well when theres ubuntu, tizen, fxos, and webos lurking around | 20:38 |
| r0kk3rz | thats hardly no alternatives | 20:39 |
| Nokius | there is no golden place, it's nice what we have but we may have to push questions and help to get Jolla on the correct course | 20:39 |
| popey | Nokia 2140 was my first GSM phone in 1994. Loved it. | 20:39 |
| tbr | NOS was the acronym of the firmware for those old phones | 20:39 |
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| tbr | I still have _working_ Nokia 1610 and a Siemens P1 | 20:39 |
| popey | hehe, the 1610 looks like a kids phone | 20:40 |
| popey | and iirc had offensively loud keyboard beep | 20:40 |
| r0kk3rz | ive got a few old nokia brickphones that probably still work | 20:40 |
| r0kk3rz | if the batteries havent completely died | 20:40 |
| popey | BEEP BEEP "I'm DIALLING OVER HERE!!" BEEP BEEP BEEP | 20:40 |
| r0kk3rz | but the old nicads tended to be alright on shelf life | 20:40 |
| Nokius | tbr: you will find questions I ask last year and not all is answered or better ... | 20:40 |
| tbr | yeah, its a real brick too | 20:40 |
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| tbr | Nokius: you'll find that some questions from before the phone launch, very valid ones were never answered, even though they repeat | 20:41 |
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| Nokius | tbr you will be missed | 20:42 |
| Nokius | yeah sure | 20:42 |
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| tbr | Nokius: I don't really want to go, deep inside I want to believe. I just don't feel welcome. | 20:42 |
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| * lbt always has a hug for tbr :) | 20:43 | |
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| Nokius | may it will come (hope so!) | 20:43 |
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| * Nokius have to get some sleep | 20:44 | |
| Nokius | cu | 20:44 |
| tbr | nite | 20:44 |
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| r0kk3rz | i hope you get a decent apology tbr, you've been a prominent member of the community from the beginning, i think you deserve at least that | 20:47 |
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| M4rtinK_jolla_ | +1 | 20:50 |
| tbr | r0kk3rz: I'm most certainly not holding out for one. As this leaves the matter open, it poisons the well for me. | 20:50 |
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| r0kk3rz | understood. seems so avoidable though | 20:53 |
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| bluszcz | hm, I created project in my personal home on build.merproject, how I can now provide sources for it (project is via github)? | 22:12 |
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| M4rtinK | bluszcz: you need to create a package | 22:27 |
| M4rtinK | Blizzz: look for a "create package" link | 22:27 |
| M4rtinK | bluszcz: ^^ | 22:27 |
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| M4rtinK | bluszcz: once you have a package you can add source tarball & spec file to it to build it | 22:28 |
| bluszcz | M4rtinK: ok thank you | 22:28 |
| M4rtinK | or take it directly from github vie webhooks (https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Packaging/webhooks) but I have no experience with that | 22:28 |
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| M4rtinK | bluszcz: no problem :) | 22:28 |
| M4rtinK | bluszcz: also don't forget to add the Sailfish OS target to your project | 22:29 |
| bluszcz | M4rtinK: yes, I want to use source from github, webhook sounds good. I am going create a package | 22:29 |
| M4rtinK | you can use one of my projects as a reference: https://build.merproject.org/project/show/home:MartinK:sailfish:modrana | 22:29 |
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| r0kk3rz | bluszcz: i wrote a 'obs and webhooks from github for dummies' if thats of interest | 22:33 |
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| r0kk3rz | http://sailfishwayfarer.blogspot.co.uk/2014/12/building-apps-with-merobs-and-github.html | 22:33 |
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| bluszcz | r0kk3rz: I am reading now this, https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Packaging/webhooks, do you have something different? | 22:34 |
| r0kk3rz | i used that as a base, the information is more or less the same | 22:34 |
| r0kk3rz | but in more of a step by step fashion | 22:34 |
| keithzg | It isn't actually for SailfishOS that I need this, but wondering, in case someone here knows: is there any simple way to get systemd to try and restart all failed services? | 22:36 |
| bluszcz | https://build.merproject.org/package/show/home:bluszcz:veggiesailor/veggiesailor | 22:36 |
| bluszcz | it sbuilding something | 22:37 |
| bluszcz | was easy | 22:37 |
| bluszcz | r0kk3rz: thank you :) | 22:38 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah its not that hard really, but lots of app developers dont seem to use the OBS for releases | 22:39 |
| r0kk3rz | hence the dead easy to follow blog post | 22:39 |
| bluszcz | it says it buiild | 22:39 |
| bluszcz | how i can upload automatically artifact to openrepos? | 22:39 |
| r0kk3rz | automatically? you probably cant | 22:40 |
| r0kk3rz | you'd have to download the rpm, then upload it to openrepos | 22:41 |
| bluszcz | r0kk3rz: can OBS send webhook after build? | 22:41 |
| r0kk3rz | but technically, you dont need open repos, you can add your repository from OBS | 22:41 |
| r0kk3rz | and install that way | 22:41 |
| r0kk3rz | you could probably script it from OBS, i was more thinking on the OR side what would consume it | 22:42 |
| bluszcz | hm, i wi ll dig it. for now i'll upload manually rpm | 22:43 |
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| bluszcz | yuppi, my alpha release available :) https://veggiesailor.com/ | 22:49 |
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| dv__ | sailfish is currently using gstreamer 0.10. but it is also possible to have a local installation of gstreamer. anybody sees a problem with an app ship with a local copy of gstreamer 1.0 ? | 22:51 |
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| M4rtinK | bluszcz: IIRC there have been some plans for OR/OBS integration | 23:09 |
| M4rtinK | bluszcz: but I'm not sure how far it is | 23:10 |
| M4rtinK | would be nice, not just for convenience but also for security, collaboration, etc. | 23:10 |
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| bluszcz | M4rtinK ok | 23:48 |
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