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| vakkov | Hi there! Is there a native shazam alternative for sfos? | 09:27 |
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| jaacoppi | probably not | 09:29 |
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| Aoyagi_trashtop | So how goes installing Sailfish on Android devices? | 09:53 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | Aoyagi_trashtop: --> #sailfishos-porters :) | 09:58 |
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| carepack | Aoyagi_trashtop: for example here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=57422389&postcount=1 | 10:11 |
| Aoyagi_trashtop | thanks | 10:11 |
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| anYc | gna, does the calendar really get confused by timezone changes -.- | 10:47 |
| anYc | well, daylight saving time to be precise in my case | 10:48 |
| Nicd- | I've had no problems | 10:49 |
| anYc | looks like other have this problem too on tjc | 10:50 |
| anYc | https://together.jolla.com/question/86562/daylight-saving-time-confuses-calendar/ | 10:51 |
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| flux | interesting, and annoying :/. I now notice that my owncloud-synced event (but entered on this device) is off-by-one, but my google-synced events are fine | 11:29 |
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| dr_gogeta86 | hi guys | 11:51 |
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| newin | dr_gogeta86: hi guys | 12:04 |
| newin | hi * | 12:05 |
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| newin | is there someone actively read this chan ? | 12:12 |
| Aoyagi_trashtop | Sometimes. | 12:12 |
| newin | cool =) | 12:13 |
| newin | I need to recuit some pepeole | 12:13 |
| newin | for a pretty big project... | 12:13 |
| SfietKonstantinW | newin: still trying to get some ports for the unreal engine :) | 12:13 |
| coderus | for a pretty big $$$ i suppose? | 12:13 |
| SfietKonstantinW | did you contacted thp ? | 12:13 |
| newin | SfietKonstantinW: I did not really try on IRC yet just on TJC | 12:14 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | newin: he is likely to be your best contact Sailor-side | 12:15 |
| newin | coderus: no =/ ... or maybe but if so it's not for me | 12:15 |
| SfietKonstantinW | and sadly most people here don't know much about lower-level opengl | 12:15 |
| newin | I can deal with openGL and really low level CPU/memory things... | 12:15 |
| SfietKonstantinW | newin: and about hw iteraction part ? hybris thing ? | 12:16 |
| newin | in fact if I need someone from sailfish community it's because I don't know how sailfish work in fact... | 12:16 |
| SfietKonstantinW | and of course, wayland :) ? | 12:16 |
| SfietKonstantinW | newin: basically: https://sailfishos.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Sailfish_Architecture_v0.5.1.png | 12:17 |
| SfietKonstantinW | read the lower part, that's what you are interested in: | 12:18 |
| SfietKonstantinW | you got opengls es 2.0 via libhybris | 12:18 |
| SfietKonstantinW | and you have to deal with wayland | 12:18 |
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| newin | SfietKonstantinW: yeah that's excatly for this type of information that I need a co-worker | 12:20 |
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| giucam | you don't need to deal with wayland directly, you can use sdl2 | 12:21 |
| SfietKonstantinW | newin: https://github.com/nemomobile-packages/libsdl/tree/nemo/src/video/wayland ? | 12:21 |
| SfietKonstantinW | newin: you said unreal engine is based on sdl, can you use this version of sdl to access <ayland ? | 12:22 |
| newin | actually giucam here is my project https://together.jolla.com/question/88563/unreal-engine-4-on-sailfish/ | 12:22 |
| SfietKonstantinW | newin: I have seen that on TJC you said that unrealengine already supports wayland | 12:23 |
| SfietKonstantinW | or did I understand wrong ? | 12:23 |
| newin | yes unreal aparently use sdl as a layer to openwindow and create opengl context... I don't know if it's 1.3 or 2 (I gess this is sdl2 but I will ask to the community) | 12:23 |
| giucam | sdl 1 doesn't have a wayland backend | 12:23 |
| giucam | unless they're using some patched version | 12:23 |
| newin | ok so it's sdl2... | 12:24 |
| SfietKonstantinW | newin: good | 12:24 |
| SfietKonstantinW | maybe you can link unreal engine directly on the sdl lib ? | 12:24 |
| SfietKonstantinW | (or maybe they have patches ?) | 12:24 |
| SfietKonstantinW | I would say that now, you have to try to cross compile unreal engine | 12:24 |
| newin | the whole project is about hacking the build system of unreal to make the engine cross compile a game for jolla... unreal already have the ability to build for linux and crosscompile for arm | 12:26 |
| newin | that's project of my week end | 12:26 |
| newin | =D | 12:26 |
| newin | that's my project for the week end (sorry for my wierd english... i'm tiered) | 12:27 |
| SfietKonstantinW | newin: you don't need to cross compile | 12:27 |
| SfietKonstantinW | did you played with sailfish sdk ? | 12:28 |
| SfietKonstantinW | if you go in sb2 in the build virtual machine, you have a chrooted sb2-emulated arm-linux environnement | 12:28 |
| SfietKonstantinW | in this env, you just build the unreal engine as is | 12:28 |
| SfietKonstantinW | and then, package it and put it on your jolla | 12:28 |
| SfietKonstantinW | maybe you will need to tell unreal that you are building on arm (it might fail to autorecognize) | 12:29 |
| SfietKonstantinW | I had this issue when building nodejs | 12:29 |
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| newin | I had this type of idea but the thing is the buils system of unreal is pretty wierd... the makefile call a lot of mono thing that parse some XML for the configuration | 12:31 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | newin: mono ? | 12:32 |
| SfietKonstantinW | hum | 12:32 |
| SfietKonstantinW | then first you will need mono | 12:32 |
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| newin | btw... I'm not 100% of what i'm saying because compiling the engine from the repository is really differant from shipping your game... and I need mono for compiling from the repo but I'm still trying to search how work the shipping module/plugin/part/thing | 12:36 |
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| SfietKonstantinW | newin: shipping the game requires only some "release" version of unreal | 12:42 |
| SfietKonstantinW | it is when you develop the game that you need to build the engine ? | 12:42 |
| SfietKonstantinW | maybe it is worth building the engine on SFOS too | 12:43 |
| SfietKonstantinW | sadly mono is a problem | 12:43 |
| SfietKonstantinW | on SFOS, you have nothing more than python and ruby | 12:43 |
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| newin | Yeah know for mono... I will deal with the unreal community soon to find a solution... | 12:44 |
| SfietKonstantinW | newin: you are welcome to bring mono to SFOS :D | 12:47 |
| SfietKonstantinW | http://www.mono-project.com/docs/about-mono/supported-platforms/arm/ | 12:49 |
| SfietKonstantinW | that's interesting | 12:49 |
| SfietKonstantinW | I might be able to cross compile mono for you | 12:49 |
| SfietKonstantinW | looks a bit nicer than cross compiling java | 12:50 |
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| newin | SfietKonstantinW: getting mono on sailfish can be interesting but I would like to do one project at a time | 12:51 |
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| gabriel9 | anyone here have yotaphone? | 13:16 |
| gabriel9 | and will it work with sailfish :) | 13:16 |
| gabriel9 | i can get one, and now i am thinking does it worth it... | 13:17 |
| newin | I did not know the existance of this phone | 13:20 |
| mal- | gabriel9: at least I did not find cyanogenmod for that phone and cyanogenmod is the current requirement for porting sailfish | 13:23 |
| gabriel9 | i see | 13:26 |
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| mlatu | hello, i have a question about setting a different font in a sailfish os app. mainly: what fonts are there? | 15:29 |
| mlatu | oh and, is it possible to distribute a font with the app? | 15:30 |
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| mlatu | my problem is, that i want to display japanese characters. sadly unicode does not respect differences between japanese, chinese and korean kanji... for some characters the differences are minor, for others severe... thus i need to use a font which displays the characters correctly. anyone? | 15:34 |
| mlatu | maybe im in the wrong channel though.. | 15:35 |
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| Yaniel | you can distribute pretty much anything with your app | 15:48 |
| mlatu | mkay.. ah well, whatever. need to go now... | 15:52 |
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| M4rtinK | intresting | 20:42 |
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| M4rtinK | Qt 5.4 returns mouse cursor coordinates as integers | 20:44 |
| M4rtinK | but the Qt 5.2 whatever version on Jolla returns them as floats | 20:44 |
| M4rtinK | leading to funny floating point number error accumulation in some cases | 20:45 |
| M4rtinK | anyone from Jolla willing to comment if this is done on purpose ? ;-) | 20:45 |
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| r0kk3rz | M4rtinK: obviously the qt guys learnt their lesson | 21:09 |
| r0kk3rz | and switched to integers | 21:10 |
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| M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: according to the docs | 21:11 |
| M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: http://qt.apidoc.info/5.0.2/qtquick/qml-qtquick2-mouseevent.html | 21:11 |
| M4rtinK | it has always been an integer | 21:12 |
| M4rtinK | at least since Qt 5.0 | 21:12 |
| r0kk3rz | interesting | 21:12 |
| M4rtinK | I think this is a serious issue | 21:12 |
| r0kk3rz | must have been done on purpose | 21:12 |
| M4rtinK | and can break quite a lot of apps | 21:12 |
| M4rtinK | I found out about it when working on ma panning | 21:12 |
| M4rtinK | *map panning | 21:12 |
| r0kk3rz | well yes, if you treat floats like ints, then your maths is going to do your head in | 21:13 |
| r0kk3rz | but annoying that it doesnt follow the qt docs..... | 21:13 |
| M4rtinK | two elements that get the differences between position change events are enough to demonstrate the issue :) | 21:13 |
| M4rtinK | as they'll quickly "float away" due to all the float induced errors | 21:14 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe thats what was going on with the click-roulette in the browser | 21:14 |
| M4rtinK | yeah, that might be related | 21:14 |
| r0kk3rz | floats are an annoying data type | 21:15 |
| M4rtinK | if you are working with the diffs during a pan, the error accumulates *fast* | 21:15 |
| M4rtinK | yep :) | 21:15 |
| M4rtinK | I've just wrapped all the mouse events with Math.round() for now | 21:16 |
| M4rtinK | and I'm writing a bug report | 21:16 |
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| M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: https://together.jolla.com/question/88693/bug-mouseevent-x-and-y-properties-are-floats/ | 21:25 |
| r0kk3rz | be interesting to see what they say, if anything | 21:29 |
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| M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: indeed | 21:38 |
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| M4rtinK | r0kk3rz: especially as I've reported quite a few bugs already and the response rate has not been very stellar so far | 21:38 |
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| M4rtinK | like https://together.jolla.com/question/39842/bug-sharing-an-image-to-twitter-does-not-validate-message-length/ | 21:38 |
| M4rtinK | https://together.jolla.com/question/77805/bug-xdg-open-does-not-open-a-file-manager/ | 21:38 |
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| M4rtinK | and I'm still not sure if this one was fixed or not: https://together.jolla.com/question/16518/bug-if-cover-element-fails-to-load-application-doesnt-exit-when-closed/ | 21:39 |
| M4rtinK | tl;dr: as expected, askbot is terrible for bug reporting and a proper Bugzilla should be available :) | 21:39 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah it is | 21:42 |
| r0kk3rz | but ive only seen "its working for us" as a comment from jolla people on the matter | 21:43 |
| r0kk3rz | its probably more a balance between bugfixing and feature implementing | 21:43 |
| M4rtinK | no way in hell anyone can keep in sync the internal bugzilla and together :) | 21:45 |
| M4rtinK | I think it is not as much as "no time for bugfixing" as "bugreports getting lost on together" | 21:46 |
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| M4rtinK | I'm using Bugzilla all the time at work (Fedora/RHEL installer) and I can't really imagine how would we manage the bug firehose without it | 21:47 |
| M4rtinK | so having to use a glorified askbot to report bugs for Sailfish OS is quite a letdown :) | 21:48 |
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| r0kk3rz | i would hope there arent any sync issues, but you may be right | 21:51 |
| M4rtinK | together is also missing important bug tracking features | 21:53 |
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| M4rtinK | like bug states | 21:54 |
| M4rtinK | asignees | 21:54 |
| M4rtinK | well, even a fricking *component* list to fill against ! | 21:55 |
| M4rtinK | not to mention powerful extension like bug reporting tool integration like we have with abrt | 21:56 |
| M4rtinK | *extensions | 21:56 |
| M4rtinK | no wonder it is so messy without basic stuff like this :) | 21:56 |
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