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| m4g0g | hi | 08:51 |
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| m4g0g | what will be in facebook intagration after API 2.2. Only notifications without possibility to send messages and have contacts? | 08:59 |
| m4g0g | and why they do not want to add cache for weather? | 09:02 |
| m4g0g | And what plans do they have about api for some parts of jolla? | 09:03 |
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| jaacoppi | who's they? | 10:36 |
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| jaacoppi | what color do you use to make your urls readable? Theme.primaryColor for links is dark blue and is really hard to see against any background I've tried | 11:06 |
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| coderus | jaacoppi highlightColor of course | 11:21 |
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| ilbuonme | Hello everyone. I'd like to start developing. I just checked https://sailfishos.org/develop/ -- I'm just confused on the difference between the SFK and Silica | 14:00 |
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| kimmoli | oo https://sailfishos.org/develop/docs/silica/sailfish-silica-all.html/ | 14:05 |
| kimmoli | news to me | 14:06 |
| kimmoli | its is back | 14:06 |
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| scottc | oh wow | 14:07 |
| jaacoppi | awesome | 14:10 |
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| ilbuonme | Hi kimmoli, where you answering me? Sorry, I was away | 14:24 |
| ilbuonme | I am now reading https://sailfishos.org/develop/sdk-overview/ | 14:24 |
| ilbuonme | Is it (SDK) an alternative system to Silica, or does one use both together? | 14:24 |
| kimmoli | actually no, i just noticed that the reference is back | 14:24 |
| kimmoli | yes you use SDk to develop sailfish-silica applications | 14:25 |
| kimmoli | silica is the QML stuff | 14:25 |
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| ilbuonme | I see. So 1) you use the SDK to create the project and 2) the new project imports silica as a module | 14:29 |
| ilbuonme | but you do all the job in SDK | 14:29 |
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| ilbuonme | I use Xubuntu. Can I use the Qt IDE that I find in the Ubuntu Software Center (qtcreator 3.1.1-0ubuntu4) or am I required to download the SDK from https://sailfishos.org/develop/ ? | 14:31 |
| kimmoli | prefer downloading sailfish sdk | 14:33 |
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| kimmoli | grr... mer-obs rpmlint nitpick - badness 2360 exceeds threshold 1000, aborting. | 15:22 |
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| PaoloM | thank you kimmoli, it's all clear. I am reading the documentation tutorial -- bye | 15:51 |
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| Xiaoman | I was disappointed when I found out that Sailfish OS will never become FLOSS :( | 18:47 |
| coderus | why never? | 18:54 |
| coderus | maybe after 2.0 | 18:54 |
| coderus | but yes, not pure opensource, but with some proper sources licensing for partners | 18:54 |
| jcbjoe | whats FLOSS ? | 18:55 |
| Xiaoman | https://jolla.com/sailfish-eula/ describes Sailfish as being reliant on third party proprietary modules | 18:58 |
| Xiaoman | Free Libre Open Source Software as defined here: https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html | 18:59 |
| coderus | Xiaoman: yes, qualcomm, but it's not sailfish, it's drivers for hardware | 19:01 |
| coderus | just hw adaptation for Jolla Phone | 19:01 |
| Xiaoman | Ok, so they have the opportunity to license the OS as FLOSS and choose not to, great... | 19:03 |
| coderus | afaik it's not ready to be opensourced now as is, but planned to be so | 19:03 |
| Xiaoman | It doesn't really matter if it is open sourced under this EULA | 19:04 |
| Xiaoman | won't make it any more free | 19:04 |
| Stskeeps | Xiaoman: SailfishOS is a number of components, many of them open source and under standard open source licenses and a number of those (mostly in UI) is closed source. On top of that, there's 3rd party offerings (Alien Dalvik, input method databases, HERE maps and positioning) which are closed source. | 19:05 |
| Stskeeps | in addition to that, any hw it runs on will likely require several closed source blobs, commonly seen for modems, GPU and other parts of normal mobile devices. | 19:06 |
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| Xiaoman | Stskeeps: Which saddens me; Jolla could offer 3rd party proprietary modules as much as the liked, whilst keeping the actual OS FLOSS, but they have chosen not to do so | 19:07 |
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| Xiaoman | I am fully aware that for making a proper phone today you have to compromise on certain parts of the phone | 19:07 |
| Nicd- | well, I imagine it has a lot to do with finances... | 19:07 |
| coderus | "they have chosen not to do so" | 19:07 |
| coderus | i don't think they will be succeded if opensourced from 0 day | 19:08 |
| Nicd- | to be a company you gotta sell stuff, to sell stuff it's good if you have a competitive advantage | 19:08 |
| Stskeeps | Xiaoman: it's a bit inverse in practice. we chose to open source a large portion of the work we're doing and slowly open sourcing more | 19:08 |
| Xiaoman | but that doesn't pull away from the fact that Jolla's own product is proprietary (even excluding all third party proprietary modules) | 19:08 |
| Xiaoman | Nicd-: Quite a moot point | 19:09 |
| coderus | Xiaoman: write to qualcomm and ask them why not allowing to distribute binary blobs in sources. Do the same for other companies please also :) | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | Xiaoman: so, how would you suggest Jolla has a business model? | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | just, out of curiousity | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | open source is fantastic. | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | but it has to be sustainable. | 19:09 |
| Nicd- | Xiaoman: how so? | 19:09 |
| Stskeeps | it costs throwing 120+ developers at developing | 19:10 |
| Xiaoman | coderus: I'm not talking about any third party proprietary dependancies, for which you obviously has to compromise | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | Xiaoman: anyway.. walking a bit back to the original question | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | [20:47] <Xiaoman> I was disappointed when I found out that Sailfish OS will never become FLOSS :( --- what makes you say that? | 19:10 |
| Stskeeps | because i don't think that's written anywhere | 19:10 |
| Xiaoman | Stskeeps: You have made an assumption and positive claim that you cannot base a company on a product that has a part of it being FLOSS; this is obviously wrong, but I cannot "prove" that it would be possible to do something which is set up to be an impossible hypothetical | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | Xiaoman: i'm not making an assumption here, i'm asking what you'd do in my shoes :) | 19:12 |
| urjaman | 120+ o.O (to me, it has felt more like 20 :P) | 19:12 |
| Xiaoman | Stskeeps: The EULA in its current form prevents that | 19:12 |
| Stskeeps | Xiaoman: the EULA only covers the non open source parts, all the open source parts are perfectly standard licenses. | 19:13 |
| Stskeeps | Xiaoman: would you like a tour? | 19:13 |
| Xiaoman | Stskeeps: In your shoes I would segreggate any part of Sailfish you have control over and license it properly, then in your product -- such as Jolla Phone, you can make any exceptions/dual license any proprietary parts of the final product | 19:14 |
| Xiaoman | that way you can make sure that what you do have control over is as good as can be | 19:14 |
| Stskeeps | okay.. let me rephrase | 19:14 |
| Xiaoman | Stskeeps: The EULA covers Sailfish as a whole, including the open sourced parts | 19:14 |
| Xiaoman | remember that open/closed sourcing has nothing to do with proprietary/free aspects of licensing | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | as you probably know, GPL says you can't add an EULA on top of things, or add additional license conditions. | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | +to be more specific. | 19:15 |
| Stskeeps | SailfishOS is a collection of components. the EULA (if you had read it in detail) strictly talks about the open source components and the closed ones. | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | "Note that our Software is based on the great efforts and innovations of the open source community. The core components of our software (“Free Software”) are all available as open source via various projects in which we actively participate. We encourage you to also join those projects and participate. Although our Software is subject to this Agreement, Free Software is available under its own terms, subject to which you are free to use ... | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | ... it as you wish. For more information about these open source components, see http://www.sailfishos.org." | 19:16 |
| Stskeeps | the EULA covers the closed ones. | 19:16 |
| Xiaoman | ..and? | 19:18 |
| pvuorela | i wonder how a eula can prevent company of changing sw licenses. -- "company X guarantees it will not open source the proprietary modules of Y" | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | we have a very simple rule: anything that doesn't touch UI or brand or look and feel, we open source. everything else is closed source until permitted to be open sourced. | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | the vast majority of the software is the first | 19:18 |
| Xiaoman | pvuorela: if the EULA is incompatible with license A, then license A won't apply | 19:18 |
| Stskeeps | the EULA doesn't apply to the open source components. | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | it's clearly said. | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | and the entire stack is built up of let's say, properitary modules or extensions friendly licenses. | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | especially in frameworks. | 19:19 |
| Stskeeps | it's very typical we open source the middleware and then have the UI part closed. | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | LGPL allows that, as you probably know | 19:20 |
| Xiaoman | Stskeeps: Yes, what I hear you say is that you have components of your OS which are "open source" and that no EULA applies to that, but their own Free licenses... | 19:21 |
| Xiaoman | and then | 19:21 |
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| Nicd- | Xiaoman: but they can license a closed part any way they like later even if it's in the eula. because it's their code | 19:21 |
| Xiaoman | you also say that some of the components are directly propreitary, and that the OS includes, instead of being modulized, third party propreitary components | 19:22 |
| Xiaoman | all in all | 19:22 |
| Xiaoman | the OS is very much not free | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | that i've never denied | 19:22 |
| Xiaoman | yeah | 19:22 |
| Xiaoman | then we are in agreement | 19:23 |
| Xiaoman | and I return to my initial disappointment | 19:23 |
| Nicd- | depends on where you are looking from. to me it's very much free | 19:23 |
| Nicd- | because I compare it to other OSes on the market | 19:23 |
| Xiaoman | Nicd-: It is literally by the very definition, not free | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | but at same time, tell me, how would you do it being in our shoes? 3 years of development, need to seek investments and gain money to feed 110+ developers? | 19:23 |
| Stskeeps | 6000+ eur per month per developer (taken from industry slave wages) | 19:24 |
| Xiaoman | Stskeeps: I don't see a financial problem | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | you should :) | 19:24 |
| Xiaoman | I don't | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | open source should be sustainable if it's to work in this market | 19:24 |
| Xiaoman | I understand your position | 19:24 |
| Xiaoman | and if you have any doubt I would be glad to clarify it | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | i've been doing open source for 17 years, :) | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | so, i don't have much doubts. | 19:25 |
| Xiaoman | but I cannot give a thesis here on how your product is different from your individual components | 19:25 |
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| Stskeeps | https://sailfishos.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Sailfish_Architecture_v0.5.1.png | 19:25 |
| Stskeeps | start there | 19:25 |
| Xiaoman | I doubt the amount of time and experience working with a subject is a clear indicator of actual insight into the academic finess | 19:26 |
| Nicd- | hahaha | 19:26 |
| Nicd- | the arrogance | 19:26 |
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| Xiaoman | I personally don't think my many years of masturbation has given me a valuable insight into the pornography industry, Nicd-. | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | well, this conversation went south quite quickly. | 19:27 |
| * kimmoli founds point to agree | 19:28 | |
| Xiaoman | yeah | 19:28 |
| Nicd- | but Stskeeps hasn't just used open source. he has made it. they made the damn device. they have actually gone through all the hoops that you can only talk about in theory | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | anyway: i'm not going to convince you on this. if you want, grab a jolla phone, try out sailfishos on a random android device, if you like it, that's great, then you can decide if it's morally acceptable for yourself to use that stack. | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | there's alternative stacks such as OpenMoko or Ubuntu Phone or Firefox OS if you're not interested, but they all have compromises. | 19:28 |
| Xiaoman | Nicd-: They literally haven't made a FLOSS product, so no, they haven't "made what we are talking about" | 19:29 |
| Xiaoman | Stskeeps: Yeah, I'm looking for my next phone platform | 19:29 |
| Xiaoman | just came here to voice my concerns when looking into Sailfish | 19:29 |
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| Stskeeps | thank you, concerns are listened to | 19:30 |
| Nicd- | Xiaoman: it's not like they are some evil masterminds laughing in their lair. I bet they have made it as open as they can while still managing to get paid for their work. but since open source pays so well, where is the truly open source phone? and don't tell me about openmoko | 19:30 |
| * Stskeeps needs to go add a big fat <b> to a EULA now.. | 19:30 | |
| Xiaoman | and thank you for taking your time to listen | 19:30 |
| Xiaoman | Nicd-: I'm not saying they have bad intentions... | 19:31 |
| Stskeeps | Jolla is a group of people that strongly originate in the open source community; we've had to take our ideals, see what's practically possible with them, create a company, gain investments, ship and build a product and a mobile OS | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | compromises are made to keep the story going. no matter how much one loves ones ideals. | 19:32 |
| Stskeeps | because ideals are not worth a lot if you can't put food on the table for your family. | 19:32 |
| Xiaoman | Nicd-: But thinking that open source has anything to do with freedom (which we talked about), shows that you should read up on the subject, I can recommedn gnu.org and fsf.org | 19:32 |
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| giucam | that's one side of the story, there's people that say the really free licenses are the bsd ones | 19:33 |
| Xiaoman | giucam: Not if freedom is defined for the user | 19:34 |
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| Stskeeps | anyway, i'll take a look at those 'gnu.org' and 'fsf.org' pages you're talking about, but i think this conversation is at it's end by now | 19:35 |
| Xiaoman | yes | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | we've built a lovely product. any product, sw or hw has compromises to ship and stay sustainable. end of story. | 19:35 |
| Xiaoman | We have a fundemental disagreement on the financial theory of products and open platforms | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | yup, i used to be like you | 19:36 |
| giucam | i don't want to start discussing licenses now, but the free software/open source debate is not as clear cut as you make it sound | 19:36 |
| Stskeeps | then i had to put the theory to a test :) | 19:36 |
| Nicd- | Xiaoman: the thing that bugs me is that there have been some people like you here saying that it should all be completely floss and that it's financially possible (offering nothing to support their claims usually). when the reality is that Jolla has gone through all the shit you have to to make a sellable device, and the people that come here have done nothing and can show no actual sustainable product | 19:36 |
| Nicd- | that has done what they want | 19:36 |
| Nicd- | the only thing I've seen that comes even close is openmoko and those are 1) terrible and 2) not available anywhere | 19:37 |
| faenil | Xiaoman: it would be nice to see evidence of sustainability btw ;) | 19:39 |
| Nicd- | so maybe you should give a little more weight to the word of people who have actually walked the walk | 19:39 |
| Xiaoman | Nicd-: I think you will find it unfair to dissuade critique because you find certain people giving unconstructive critique | 19:39 |
| Nicd- | I find it only fair to critique the critique of people with nothing useful to say (at least so far) | 19:40 |
| Xiaoman | and that I haven't made any collorary claim for financial possibilities, but only voice my concern that the platform promises more than what it actually is | 19:40 |
| Nicd- | you have said many times that you can't see a financial problem with floss. and "disagreement on the financial theory" | 19:41 |
| Xiaoman | yes | 19:41 |
| Xiaoman | that is not a positive claim that I know it can work in any way | 19:41 |
| Xiaoman | I am literally just stating my unmoved point of view when claims to financial sustainibility is mentioned as an argument | 19:42 |
| Xiaoman | because I differ in a fundemental understanding | 19:42 |
| Nicd- | but it won | 19:42 |
| Nicd- | damn | 19:42 |
| Xiaoman | What? | 19:43 |
| Nicd- | it won't help anyone unless you can offer some example / data on why it would work like you say it would | 19:43 |
| Nicd- | anyway I gotta go to bed --> | 19:44 |
| Xiaoman | Nicd-: I don't think the problem is relatable to the subject, which is why I cannot "prove" anything | 19:48 |
| Xiaoman | and why I don't make a positive claim in the opposite | 19:48 |
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| mtfk | hi, what version of qt is used in the current release of sailfishos ? | 20:40 |
| Nicd- | 5.2-ish | 20:41 |
| Nicd- | I think there were some parts that are still 5.1 + patches but mostly it should be 5.2 | 20:41 |
| Stskeeps | 5.1 with a lot of 5.2 in it i think | 20:42 |
| Stskeeps | and 5.3 | 20:42 |
| mtfk | I would like to use qt API for BT LE from 5.4 | 20:42 |
| mtfk | is ther eany chance to upgrade it somehow? | 20:43 |
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| coderus | mtfk: is it depends on some qt 5.4 component or you can just get it and compile yourself? | 21:11 |
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| mtfk | hard to say, I need to check that, but should be possible to compile this specific component and provide with the app I guess | 21:13 |
| coderus | yes, if it compiles then no problem | 21:14 |
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| mtfk | the main component which is BT support is already in as it was introduced in 5.2 | 21:14 |
| mtfk | there is just missing BT LE | 21:14 |
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| mtfk | so there is no chance to upgrade sdk to 5.4? | 21:16 |
| mtfk | or maybe there are some plans for that in near future? | 21:17 |
| coderus | https://imgflip.com/i/kz2as | 21:19 |
| Yaniel | hehe | 21:21 |
| mtfk | :) | 21:21 |
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| coderus | sorry :) | 21:21 |
| coderus | mtfk: it just got 5.2 support half year ago...so.. | 21:22 |
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| mtfk | I will not wait 2 years for 5.4 :P | 21:24 |
| mtfk | I will try to compile bt le myself see what I will got | 21:24 |
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| coderus | Stskeeps: i hope Sailfish 2.0 is at least fully based on 5.3, right? :) | 21:27 |
| mtfk | should be on 5.4 :) | 21:28 |
| coderus | i doubt so, but best wishes... | 21:28 |
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| toerb | can I somehow extend a Audio element with a function setSource to set the source from outside of the element? | 22:47 |
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| toerb | or make it public writable | 22:47 |
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| coderus | toerb: wut? | 23:47 |
| coderus | set id to item and call playerItem.source = blahblah | 23:48 |
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