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| haasn | I wonder: is there a good music player for SailfishOS? Perhaps an mpd front-end? | 06:48 |
| haasn | It uses pulseaudio so I guess it would be trivial to run mpd with its pulse driver as the backend, but a good GUI front-end to manage it without having to open up a terminal would be pretty neat | 06:48 |
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| haasn | Also, what sampling rates does the internal DAC of the Jolla phone run at? Can I configure it somehow? I'm planning on using Opus, which is natively 48 kHz - it would be best if I could set the audio device to that sampling rate internally in order to avoid having to resample | 06:49 |
| haasn | (Which would drain a lot of CPU cycles) | 06:49 |
| Stskeeps | jusa_: might know | 06:50 |
| haasn | Finally, I guess there's a unique requirement in that you want to automatically pause music if a phone call is incoming. Would it be possible to add some sort of hook to the phone application to run ‘mpc pause’ or whatever when a call is incoming? | 06:50 |
| haasn | (running mpd would be my preferred solution if at all possible, but I might settle for something like a standalone player if there's a really good one. Needs support for Opus, ReplayGain, gapless playback and a good shuffle mode, eg. like mpd's autoplay.py) | 06:51 |
| jusa_ | haasn: phone runs with 48kHz | 06:51 |
| haasn | Sounds good | 06:51 |
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| jusa_ | haasn: you can also use libaudioresource to know when higher priority audio is playing (phone call) and pause accordingly | 06:53 |
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| haasn | Neat, there's an mpd front-end in the Jolla repo; called SMPC | 06:53 |
| haasn | It calls itself a remote control client but I assume I can set it up to just control the phone itself | 06:54 |
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| Yaniel | haasn: there is actually a mpd client | 07:00 |
| Armadillo | smpc is one | 07:00 |
| Yaniel | hrm, reading the full backlog helps | 07:00 |
| haasn | I can't find mpd itself packaged, unfortunately | 07:00 |
| Yaniel | yeah that one is missing | 07:01 |
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| Yaniel | should be relatively easy to package though, if you know how to write rpm specfiles | 07:01 |
| haasn | Nope no clue; only ever written ebuilds | 07:01 |
| Yaniel | btw I've read that mpd uses a very broken library for tags, do you know about this? | 07:02 |
| Armadillo | well shouldn't be to hard to find out | 07:02 |
| Yaniel | I could try getting it to build on obs later | 07:02 |
| haasn | Yaniel: Don't really know much about it; I mostly tend to ignore tagging since my client falls back to the filename if the tags are missing, which works for me | 07:03 |
| Yaniel | I try to keep my files properly tagged and a cover.png in each folder | 07:04 |
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| haasn | Hmm; it's complaining about pkgconfig not being able to find boostlib; boost-devel is installed and the header it references (boost/version.hpp) exists. /usr/lib/pkgconfig seems to be almost entirely empty though - the only entry is zlib.pc, what am I missing? | 07:09 |
| Stskeeps | /usr/share/pkgconfig ? | 07:09 |
| haasn | pkgconfig --cflags boostlib indeed cannot find it | 07:09 |
| haasn | Stskeeps: completely empty | 07:09 |
| haasn | PKG_CONFIG_PATH is also empty | 07:09 |
| Stskeeps | the taret? | 07:10 |
| Stskeeps | g | 07:10 |
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| Anandrkriss | VDVsx: Hi | 07:11 |
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| Anandrkriss | For issue on mail not showing cover actions, https://together.jolla.com/question/93964/email-app-not-showing-cover-actions/ | 07:12 |
| Anandrkriss | Got a screenshot http://i.imgur.com/V6DAjqK.jpg | 07:13 |
| Anandrkriss | Doesn't happen always though so difficult to reproduce issue | 07:14 |
| haasn | Oops, got disconnected. Also: `man` is also missing? | 07:16 |
| haasn | Stskeeps: good disconnected; target? | 07:16 |
| haasn | (Also /usr/local/{lib,share}/pkgconfig don't exist) | 07:16 |
| haasn | Also whoa, man-db is not installed by default? Funky | 07:16 |
| haasn | s/good/got/ | 07:16 |
| Stskeeps | you're compiling on device? | 07:16 |
| haasn | Yeah :p | 07:16 |
| Yaniel | yeah there is only gnu texinfo | 07:17 |
| Stskeeps | haasn: ok, i wouldn't recommend that | 07:17 |
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| haasn | Stskeeps: I'm open to alternatives; never done anything like cross-compiling before - I'm used to compiling everything on the target system. Is there a decent guide around for how to build and package stuff for SailfishOS in general? | 07:19 |
| haasn | My only other machine has completely different versions of everything :( | 07:19 |
| Stskeeps | well, get the sailfish sdk as a start, then life is a bit easier.. | 07:19 |
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| FireFly | haasn: I grabbed the SDK, installed it, and then eventually hacked up a little wrapper shellscript: http://xen.firefly.nu/up/mersdk.html | 07:24 |
| FireFly | after which I just have to mersdk start and then mersdk sb2 ./configure; mersdk sb2 make or whatever | 07:25 |
| FireFly | In the ideal case anyway | 07:25 |
| FireFly | So it's not too painful | 07:25 |
| FireFly | The SDK ships with a VM that you can ssh to, that allows you to build both for the armv7hl and x86 targets, so that takes care of the cross-compiling for you | 07:26 |
| haasn | Sounds like a plan | 07:28 |
| haasn | (Although I do still wonder why the boost-devel package didn't seem to include pkgconfig information) | 07:28 |
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| FireFly | Er, and I added mersdk to my ~/.ssh/config with the appropriate ssh key setup | 07:28 |
| FireFly | I forgot to mention that | 07:28 |
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| haasn | Huh; boost doesn't even install pkgconfig stuff on my local machine. Wait, I wonder how it even builds here | 07:36 |
| Stskeeps | magic? | 07:37 |
| haasn | Weird, reinstalling boost-devel on the jolla makes it find it now | 07:38 |
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| jpakkane | Boost does not support pkg-config at all. Upstream doesn't at least. | 07:59 |
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| haasn | Oh, yeah; it doesn't use pkg-config for the check either. No wonder I was confused | 08:01 |
| daitheflu | hi | 08:01 |
| jpakkane | If your build system has native support for finding Boost (which would be Meson and CMake) you are good. Otherwise prepare for a world of pain. | 08:02 |
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| coderus | https://gist.github.com/9f8afdbd54d4ebcfd54e | 08:11 |
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| coderus | https://build.merproject.org/package/show/home:coderus:sailfish/mpd | 08:36 |
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| coderus | not tested | 08:36 |
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| rubdos | coderus, did I just see "mpd" as in "Media Player Deamon" for sailfish? O.o | 08:41 |
| rubdos | awesome :p | 08:42 |
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| Yaniel | yep | 08:43 |
| coderus | just bulit it | 08:43 |
| coderus | check build log for disabled features | 08:44 |
| coderus | as many dependencies are unavailable | 08:44 |
| Yaniel | coderus again building stuff faster than it is discussed ^^ | 08:44 |
| rubdos | Wont test that right now, but I was thinking about it earlier :) | 08:44 |
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| haasn | Hmm, I got mpd to run; but it complains about sink.primary being suspended | 08:59 |
| haasn | Why is this the case? | 08:59 |
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| Yaniel | config? | 09:01 |
| coderus | haasn: it may noot work on sailfish without modification | 09:01 |
| haasn | Config of what? mpd? I just gave it default pulse settings, I also tried changing it to sink: "sink.primary" since that seemed to be the most likely sink I want to use based on the output of pacmd list-sinks | 09:01 |
| Yaniel | and you did enable the output? | 09:02 |
| coderus | kimmoli: what config you added for espeak? | 09:02 |
| kimmoli | ? | 09:03 |
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| kimmoli | coderus: check from github? | 09:04 |
| haasn | Seems like the culprit is the fact that pulseaudio autosuspends its idle outputs (module-suspend-on-idle is enabled by default) | 09:06 |
| haasn | Maybe mpd does not like this | 09:06 |
| Stskeeps | haasn: you need to use resource acquisition | 09:06 |
| haasn | Hmm, still auto-suspends even without this module though | 09:07 |
| haasn | Stskeeps: what kind of resource acquisition? Is this easily doable? | 09:08 |
| Yaniel | Stskeeps: btw mpd as the native default music player would be #unlike | 09:08 |
| Stskeeps | haasn: should be fairly easily.. there's a guide somewhere but i can't recall where | 09:08 |
| Yaniel | streaming builtin, remoting builtin... | 09:08 |
| coderus | /etc/pulse/xpolicy.conf.d | 09:09 |
| Yaniel | is that that PROLOG thing I hav heard about | 09:09 |
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| haasn | coderus: Awesome, that got it to work | 09:19 |
| haasn | I just stuck it into the existing xpolicy.conf though, not sure how to move the mpd bit to its own file | 09:19 |
| Tegu | yea I was surprised that there's some prolog code in jolla. I don't actually remember/know what it was for but I stumbled upon it randomly. perhaps something to do with pulseaudio and audio "routings"? | 09:21 |
| Yaniel | yes | 09:21 |
| Yaniel | this one looks more like INI though | 09:22 |
| coderus | May 28 14:18 : server_socket: bind to '0.0.0.0:6600' failed: Address already in use (continuing anyway, because binding to '[::]:6600' succeeded) | 09:22 |
| haasn | I just moved the mpd [stream] section to its own file inside the .d, works fine | 09:24 |
| coderus | haasn: just create file: https://gist.github.com/CODeRUS/b14aa2ef16056adfe3f6 and restart pulseaudio | 09:24 |
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| haasn | coderus: I just used “process = mpd”, is that significantly different from your property thing? | 09:24 |
| haasn | sorry exe = mpd | 09:24 |
| coderus | haasn: idk, i get that from original jolla configs | 09:25 |
| haasn | Ah okay; I copy/pasted the ‘exe = ...’ thing from other examples in the file as well | 09:25 |
| haasn | eg. [stream] exe = pacat group = player | 09:25 |
| haasn | Anyway, it all seems to be working fine now, and I can easily control it using SMPC | 09:26 |
| haasn | mpd on SailfishOS is a success; now I get the best of all worlds :) | 09:26 |
| coderus | haasn: can you tell how to use it? | 09:28 |
| haasn | coderus: Here's basically what I did: 1. install all the build-deps for mpd, 2. compile mpd and install it manually, 3. copy over ./systemd/mpd.{service,socket} into /usr/lib/systemd/user, 4. copy over the example config to ~/.config/mpd/mpd.conf and tweak it slightly | 09:30 |
| haasn | 5. add the xpolicy.conf.d/mpd.conf file as discussed and then start it with systemctl --user start mpd | 09:30 |
| Yaniel | and then connect to 127.0.0.1:6600 with smpc | 09:31 |
| coderus | i started it, connected, but can't play, no sound | 09:31 |
| haasn | coderus: have you restarted pulseaudio after adding the xpolicy thing? | 09:32 |
| haasn | (pulseaudio -k) | 09:32 |
| coderus | yes restarted systemd pulseaudio | 09:32 |
| haasn | Also, make sure to uncomment the bit that says log_file "~/.mpd/log" in the mpd conf (and make sure ~/.mpd exists) | 09:32 |
| haasn | then you can see the errors in ~/.mpd/log | 09:32 |
| haasn | (You can also run mpd as regular user to get output to STDERR) | 09:33 |
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| coderus | i see no errors in log | 09:35 |
| coderus | ah no sorry, there is an errors in log: https://gist.github.com/4ac0d42c2984e76c8069 | 09:36 |
| Yaniel | looks like you have the alsa output enabled? | 09:36 |
| Yaniel | change your mpd config to only have the pulseaudio output | 09:37 |
| haasn | coderus: https://0x0.st/9z.txt here are my changes to mpd.conf | 09:37 |
| coderus | ah yeah, i didn't configured sink | 09:37 |
| haasn | I'd also recommend the other changes, eg. to state_file | 09:38 |
| Yaniel | haasn: do you know of any scripts to get a "shuffle all" + "play next -queue" behaviour for mpd? | 09:45 |
| Yaniel | like recent itunes and foobar2000 have | 09:45 |
| haasn | Yaniel: If I'm interpreting that correctly, https://github.com/codl/autoplay | 09:45 |
| haasn | this is what I use | 09:45 |
| haasn | it keeps an sqlite3 database tracking your play preferences and uses it to influence the randomness function | 09:45 |
| Yaniel | not what I meant | 09:46 |
| haasn | ah okay | 09:46 |
| Yaniel | I mean having a list that is shuffled | 09:46 |
| haasn | I guess I interpreted “all” in “shuffle all” incorrectly :) | 09:46 |
| Yaniel | like any playlist with z on | 09:46 |
| haasn | not really familiar with the mpd playlist stuff; worst case you'd have to write your own I guess | 09:47 |
| Yaniel | and additionally having kind of a "priority" queue that is played immediately next if it contains anything | 09:47 |
| Yaniel | so as long as you don't manually add songs to the "play next" list it keeps shuffling through whatever list/collection you have open | 09:47 |
| haasn | makes sense | 09:47 |
| haasn | I personally do that manually; autoplay just automatically adds songs to your playlist if it's empty (instead of stopping) | 09:48 |
| haasn | so you can still queue up stuff manually | 09:48 |
| haasn | I combine this with mpd's consume mode in order to treat playlists like a consumable queue | 09:48 |
| haasn | So it's essentially like a “radio mode, but with a manual priority queue that I can add stuff to if I feel in the mood for it” | 09:49 |
| Yaniel | a bit like what I meant yes | 09:49 |
| Yaniel | just without the karma system | 09:49 |
| Yaniel | and I'd like to be able to influence the base set it chooses from | 09:50 |
| haasn | The only major difference is that autoplay works off your entire music library | 09:50 |
| Yaniel | so I can say "play this album" and after a track or two "hey play this totally unrelated song next" | 09:50 |
| haasn | Yaniel: maybe the best compromise would be a feature request for autoplay to only pool from stuff matching some given filter for a whiel | 09:50 |
| haasn | eg. only pool from one folder, or from stuff matching a certain artist tag | 09:51 |
| Yaniel | fair enough | 09:51 |
| haasn | or whatever | 09:51 |
| haasn | Then it would simply be a tunable radio :) | 09:51 |
| Yaniel | yeah | 09:51 |
| coderus | haasn: okay seems no sink error anymore | 09:51 |
| haasn | Well for fancy stuff like that I'd personally have 1. queued the album, and then 2. inserted the song I want to temporarily hear next after the current position | 09:51 |
| haasn | (I use vimus as my keyboard-based client for this on the PC) | 09:52 |
| coderus | but i o not understand how to add playlist here | 09:52 |
| coderus | play folder stuff not working also | 09:52 |
| Yaniel | coderus: you need to update mpd | 09:52 |
| Yaniel | 's music database first | 09:52 |
| haasn | mpd has auto-update functionality too, via inotify | 09:52 |
| haasn | I thought that was on by default | 09:52 |
| Yaniel | not on arch at least | 09:52 |
| Yaniel | or it doesn't work because reasons | 09:52 |
| haasn | There are a few packages uploaded by https://openrepos.net/users/rzr and I've added the personal repo, but zypper can't seem to find them | 10:00 |
| haasn | It works fine for all the other personal repos I've added, but not for this | 10:00 |
| haasn | eg. https://openrepos.net/content/rzr/libmpdclient-dev and https://openrepos.net/content/rzr/tmux just don't seem to exist | 10:00 |
| haasn | Oh, OH. These are .deb files, not .rpm files | 10:00 |
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| coderus | Yaniel: but i see selected music folder contents | 10:34 |
| Yaniel | hmm | 10:34 |
| coderus | if someone explain how to make it work i'll build preconfigured mpd for sailfish :D | 10:34 |
| TemeV | what is the use case for mpd on sailfish? :) | 10:36 |
| Yaniel | it is 1) a daemon that 2) is controlled via a tcp socket | 10:37 |
| TemeV | I know what it is. I wonder what is the use case on a mobile device | 10:37 |
| coderus | connect it to speakers and control remotely :) | 10:41 |
| Yaniel | same UI for local and remote players | 10:41 |
| TemeV | Yaniel: good point :) | 10:42 |
| Yaniel | also applies the other way round | 10:43 |
| Yaniel | if you have a mobile device as an alternative audio source and for example a mediapc as the main source | 10:43 |
| Yaniel | you can plug in the phone and connect to it from the mediapc | 10:44 |
| Yaniel | no need to copy tons of stuff over when visiting friends (also copyright) | 10:44 |
| Yaniel | or you can set mpd to output to a http stream | 10:44 |
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| TemeV | makes sense | 10:45 |
| Yaniel | it would also integrate nicely with a car's multimedia system (well those probably use MPRIS all the way buut~) | 10:46 |
| haasn`phone | Hmm, how do I get pip or something equivalent? python{,-tools,-devel} don't seem to include it | 10:48 |
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| haasn`phone | TemeV: My uses for mpd: 1. It's free, 2. It works, 3. I know how to use it, 4. autoplay.py, 5. Separation of GUI and backend | 10:53 |
| haasn`phone | I am not planning to use streaming or anything fancy like that, I literally just want a music player that works | 10:54 |
| haasn`phone | And I know mpd works | 10:55 |
| Yaniel | hehe | 10:56 |
| haasn`phone | Plus, I don't like sacrificing functionality :) | 10:57 |
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| haasn`phone | Ah, python2 version 2.7.6 is too old to contain pip | 11:04 |
| haasn`phone | Needs v2.7.9+ | 11:04 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | hello | 13:44 |
| Vae_DuckZ | anybody knows why bugfix requests are being ignored on the jolla store? | 13:45 |
| Vae_DuckZ | people have been asking for months about bugfixes to tweetian, mail, map, calculator... there is not even an official reply | 13:45 |
| Vae_DuckZ | is sailfish being abandoned already? | 13:46 |
| ttyp0 | because each app is made by a private person who might or might not care? | 13:46 |
| ttyp0 | well, except for the Jolla essentials, ofc | 13:46 |
| urjaman | and iirc the store is only visible on the phone | 13:46 |
| SfietKonstantinW | and that ^ is a serious and annoying issue | 13:46 |
| SfietKonstantinW | ... | 13:46 |
| Vae_DuckZ | I thought the stuff I mentioned were official jolla apps, aside of tweetian maybe? not sure | 13:46 |
| urjaman | so you need to actively go out and look for the requests there | 13:46 |
| SfietKonstantinW | for official Jolla apps it might be better to post on TJC :) | 13:46 |
| ttyp0 | want visibility for your bug report? write in TJC (but do check first how many other threads there are about the subject already) | 13:47 |
| tbr | Vae_DuckZ: in case of tweetian, I know that the author has taken a lot of time off and travelling lately. So I wouldn't expect updates. | 13:48 |
| Vae_DuckZ | shouldn't developers look on their own device? the overall impression is that they don't give a flying shit about bugs being reported | 13:48 |
| ttyp0 | that's a harsh and unfair generalization | 13:48 |
| Vae_DuckZ | tbr: I'd rather expect a new app from either jolla or twitter itself | 13:48 |
| tbr | Vae_DuckZ: that's two of the parties that I'd least expect a new twitter app from, actually. | 13:49 |
| ttyp0 | it may simply be that there's more pressing matters on the plate that must be taken care of first. Also, a large number of bugs reported are actually not bugs at all but business decisions (which may or may not be sound) | 13:49 |
| urjaman | you can actually have (10 last meh) but still tweets visible in notifications ... | 13:49 |
| Vae_DuckZ | ttyp0: that's what I think and what everybody else seems to think if you go read comments - there are questions and no answers, and most people don't come to irc or tjc (which I don't know about btw) | 13:49 |
| urjaman | with the jolla accounts thingy | 13:49 |
| urjaman | together.jolla.com | 13:50 |
| ttyp0 | I would expect Jolla to put their top guys on the tablet development atm | 13:50 |
| Vae_DuckZ | urjaman: I think I have it set up, I can post pictures to twitter through the gallery at least, but I never get notifications | 13:50 |
| Vae_DuckZ | ttyp0: communication is key | 13:51 |
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| Nicd- | Vae_DuckZ: if you are talking about comments in the store, it's not easy to follow those because there's no web interface and there are no notifications | 13:51 |
| ttyp0 | I would agree | 13:51 |
| Nicd- | for 3rd party devs | 13:51 |
| urjaman | Vae_DuckZ: well it doesnt really notify, its just an entry in the notification screen ... | 13:51 |
| urjaman | maybe it does for mentions, i dunno | 13:51 |
| urjaman | nobody mentions me :P | 13:51 |
| urjaman | or direct messages | 13:51 |
| locusf | it does when it works | 13:51 |
| locusf | it doesn't most of the time | 13:51 |
| Vae_DuckZ | hm I don't think I've ever seen a notification at all about twitter, I thought tweetian was sort of the official jolla client in fact | 13:52 |
| locusf | thats quite a compliment :) | 13:52 |
| urjaman | Tweetian is third party and i actually like it (also on the symbian :P) | 13:52 |
| locusf | too bad veskuh isn't here anymore | 13:52 |
| Vae_DuckZ | can't jolla hire a junior and fork tweetian and update it? | 13:53 |
| SfietKonstantinW | Vae_DuckZ: that's not Jolla's job :) | 13:54 |
| SfietKonstantinW | yeah, we miss veskuh | 13:54 |
| Vae_DuckZ | I really want to insist it gives sailfish an "abandoned land" feeling... I have to decide if I should buy my sister a jolla phone or android, and honestly, this feeling is putting me off | 13:54 |
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| locusf | also a community powered free software suite of official app replacements would be great | 13:54 |
| locusf | but I guess theres no time for this on anyone | 13:55 |
| Vae_DuckZ | :( | 13:55 |
| locusf | that might not be n3cessary though | 13:55 |
| locusf | lets see | 13:55 |
| Vae_DuckZ | I wanted to help with porting tox myself, but I've had really bad luck with many things during the past two years, and basically I barely have time to sleep most of the time | 13:56 |
| SfietKonstantinW | locusf: soon the opensourcing will come :) | 13:56 |
| locusf | SfietKonstantinW: yep | 13:56 |
| SfietKonstantinW | what I hiope to see is community repo with forks and enhancements | 13:57 |
| Vae_DuckZ | I tend to sleep 6:30 hours or less at night | 13:57 |
| tathhu | Vae_DuckZ: no need for tox anymore :D | 13:57 |
| tathhu | iirc | 13:57 |
| tathhu | ok integrated into sfos lo | 13:57 |
| Morpog_PC | veskuh said he will still maintain tweetian, but I haven't seen much activity unfortunately | 13:57 |
| Vae_DuckZ | tathhu: why not? | 13:57 |
| tathhu | Vae_DuckZ: there's an app for htat | 13:57 |
| Vae_DuckZ | really? for using tox? | 13:58 |
| Nicd- | there is in openrepos | 13:58 |
| Vae_DuckZ | ah I don't have openrepos :/ | 13:58 |
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| Vae_DuckZ | :( | 13:58 |
| Vae_DuckZ | is it going to end up on the jolla store at some point? | 13:58 |
| Morpog_PC | just install warehouse and use openrepos | 13:59 |
| TemeV | or build it yourself https://github.com/krobelus/cyanide | 14:00 |
| Vae_DuckZ | sorry, I don't want to | 14:00 |
| tathhu | why? | 14:00 |
| TemeV | warehouse is scary, I see lots of reason not to use it | 14:00 |
| Vae_DuckZ | besides, imagine my sister going through rpms and consoles... she's not a technical person at all | 14:00 |
| Morpog_PC | never had any problems with it, just don't install any libs or system stuff and you should be safe | 14:01 |
| Vae_DuckZ | TemeV: exactly, I can try building it myself if I get the time tho, but I'd rather wait for it to pop up on the jolla store | 14:01 |
| Morpog_PC | Vae_DuckZ, well, thats why there is warehouse app | 14:01 |
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| Morpog_PC | or just download the RPM from openrepos.net | 14:02 |
| Vae_DuckZ | Planned Features audio/video calls <--- not ready to use yet, I'll just wait | 14:03 |
| locusf | does sideloading require developer mode? | 14:03 |
| TemeV | no | 14:03 |
| locusf | ok | 14:04 |
| TemeV | just download and hit install | 14:04 |
| TemeV | maybe there was some "accept third party apps" in settings, I don't remember | 14:04 |
| locusf | yep once you know where the downloads are :) | 14:04 |
| TemeV | you can just hit the notification when the download is ready | 14:05 |
| Morpog_PC | or go to transfers menu | 14:05 |
| Vae_DuckZ | one last questions, do you know if sailfish 2 will be available for the jolla phone as well? It's coming out in july with the tablet, right? | 14:05 |
| Morpog_PC | yes it will | 14:05 |
| Vae_DuckZ | cool | 14:06 |
| flux | what? that's not the nokia way! | 14:06 |
| Vae_DuckZ | are they planning any new phones that will make the current one obsolete, in the next few months? I'm asking because I'm deciding for this gift for my sister | 14:06 |
| Nicd- | no info | 14:07 |
| Nicd- | probably not | 14:07 |
| Morpog_PC | I heard it's running on yotaphones | 14:07 |
| Vae_DuckZ | ok, thanks :) | 14:07 |
| TemeV | most likely there will be phone that makes the current obsolete. When? No on knows | 14:07 |
| TemeV | *no one | 14:07 |
| Morpog_PC | They have time till fall to announce a new phone or partner phone :D | 14:08 |
| Vae_DuckZ | maybe they'll do another kickstarter after the tablet is out, iono | 14:08 |
| flux | probably not immediately | 14:08 |
| Morpog_PC | If nothing is announced till then I'm gonna get a Sony Xperia Z3+ :D | 14:08 |
| flux | I bet there's still a lot of work left for the tablet once it's out | 14:08 |
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| flux | and before the earlier kickstarters a lot of work had already been done for the new product | 14:09 |
| * Vae_DuckZ can't wait to receive it | 14:09 | |
| tathhu | My bet is on Slush :P | 14:11 |
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| b0bben | hey all | 14:42 |
| Stskeeps | mo | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | o | 14:43 |
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| b0bben | i'm wasting like half of my life re-deploying my app every time i make a change in my layout/qml | 14:43 |
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| b0bben | there's gotta be a more effective way to work with layout changes :) | 14:43 |
| kimmoli | edit in device? | 14:43 |
| Stskeeps | edit on device? | 14:43 |
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| mgrover | inside a qml dialog, is there anyway to hide the accept button? without disabling it | 14:43 |
| Nicd- | there was an app to sync the changes | 14:43 |
| b0bben | Blackberry has that thing where QML changes deploy automagically | 14:43 |
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| kimmoli | i have samba mount.. | 14:44 |
| b0bben | kimmoli Stskeeps sounds like a hassle i'm willing to try | 14:44 |
| b0bben | kimmoli: any cool scripts you could share :) | 14:44 |
| Stskeeps | wasn't there somebody that has a auto-watch thing that automatically deploys stuff | 14:44 |
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| kimmoli | yes, it restart your app when qml changes | 14:45 |
| b0bben | i'd rather see live updates ;) | 14:46 |
| kimmoli | qml is preloaded iirc | 14:46 |
| kimmoli | https://seravo.fi/2014/optimal-sailfish-sdk-workflow-qml-auto-reloading | 14:47 |
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| mgrover | for anyone wondering I disabled it with canAccept and then re-enabled it when the selection was made | 14:53 |
| b0bben | kimmoli: thx! i'll try that | 14:56 |
| kimmoli | b0bben: try... i dont use it, so dont know more.... | 14:57 |
| b0bben | slightly better, but still, it's on device (so you'll have to sync it back to repo somehow), needs restart of app etc... | 14:57 |
| b0bben | i might talk to some ppl @ BB and ask them about their auto-syncing thing :) | 14:57 |
| b0bben | kimmoli: understood | 14:57 |
| mgrover | rsync should be able to sync | 14:57 |
| kimmoli | yes... i scp back to desktop | 14:57 |
| kimmoli | or copy.. what it was on windows | 14:58 |
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| mgrover | i cannot figure out for the life of me this error: [W] unknown:38 - file:///usr/lib/qt5/qml/Sailfish/Silica/private/Util.js:38: TypeError: Cannot read property 'parent' of null. it occurs when I pageStack.push to a dialog | 15:12 |
| kimmoli | mgrover: just ignore it. sailfish "bug" or feature | 15:20 |
| kimmoli | not your fauöt | 15:20 |
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| mgrover | ah okay | 15:20 |
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| kimmoli | at least if everything works fine... | 15:21 |
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| mgrover | it does, just the error isn't nice to look at | 15:24 |
| kimmoli | i have little different ones, but always with pagestack | 15:28 |
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| lucysan | what bluetooth stack sailfish uses? | 15:29 |
| mgrover | well the file it concerns is just looking for a flickable, so I think it wants some sort of flickable item at the top | 15:29 |
| Jare | lucysan: bluez | 15:40 |
| lucysan | Jare, danke! | 15:40 |
| lucysan | Jare, you know maybe which version? | 15:40 |
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| Jare | lucysan: https://github.com/mer-packages/bluez/tree/mer/4.101+git47 in 1.1.4.29 | 15:44 |
| b0bben | we need this, badly: https://developer.blackberry.com/native/documentation/dev/tools/using_developmentsupport.html | 15:45 |
| b0bben | live-editing of QML | 15:45 |
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| b0bben | holy shit I just found out that my coworker here at spotify (formerly at BB) implemented that in BB10 | 15:47 |
| b0bben | i need to buy cake for him, and make him do something similar for SailfishOS :D | 15:47 |
| locusf | we got something similar in glacier gallery | 15:47 |
| locusf | the bad thing is that its done in qml | 15:47 |
| ttyp0 | b0bben, plz fix play queue management | 15:48 |
| ttyp0 | sorry for off-topic but... https://community.spotify.com/t5/Help-Other-Partners-Windows/Problems-in-the-play-queue-management-that-have-been-around/td-p/1013691 | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | much offtopic | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 15:49 |
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| ttyp0 | it's easy to see why those issues have not been addressed, though: they are not revenue-generating. nevermind "basic functionality", the "basic" they want to improve is the basic that brings in money. I can understand that, even if I do not like or accept it. | 15:54 |
| kimmoli | oh , spotify ui. thats why i dont use it | 15:54 |
| locusf | I'd use clementine but I'd be forced to get premium | 15:55 |
| locusf | so unlimited is good enough with the linux client | 15:56 |
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| TheBootroo|work | b0bben_: are you telling that someone at Spotify is working on an official client for Sailfish OS ? | 16:00 |
| Yaniel | isn't one of the cutespot devs working there | 16:01 |
| TheBootroo|work | CuteSpot is wonderful really, because it's a port of MeeSpot that was amazing too, but some features are lacking compared to official android client | 16:01 |
| TheBootroo|work | like real playlist management | 16:02 |
| TheBootroo|work | and share options | 16:02 |
| TheBootroo|work | i don't care of the rest (radios, trends, top X,etc) | 16:03 |
| mgrover | am curious why do people prefer streaming options compared to locally having the music?? | 16:03 |
| TheBootroo|work | mgrover: more choice, legal, unlimited discovery | 16:03 |
| mgrover | ah fair enough | 16:04 |
| * Yaniel actually prefers local copies | 16:04 | |
| TheBootroo|work | mgrover: and once you sync, it's pretty local | 16:04 |
| mgrover | thumbs up for Yaneil :P | 16:04 |
| mgrover | *Yaniel | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | mgrover: i can have local copies of the music too, with spotify | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | offline playlists | 16:04 |
| Stskeeps | from a practicality pov, it's the same | 16:05 |
| b0bben_ | TheBootroo|work: no one is working on an official client | 16:05 |
| b0bben_ | i'm working on an unofficial internal client | 16:05 |
| TheBootroo|work | mgrover: one big point for me : all metadata is set up already. back on my mp3 era, i spent hours and hours correctly tagging my library, and i had actually less than 15% of what i have otday | 16:05 |
| b0bben_ | well, me and one dude more, on our hackdays | 16:05 |
| mgrover | hmmm may have to invest in a premium spotify acc | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | they're cool people so i don't mind sending $$$ | 16:05 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:05 |
| TheBootroo|work | mgrover: i have mine since more then 4 years, premium | 16:05 |
| TheBootroo|work | i don't regret | 16:05 |
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| mgrover | maybe its jus the UK, but at times the internet connection is crap | 16:06 |
| tathhu | b0bben_: start hacking more often :P | 16:06 |
| Yaniel | and then there is the issue with using spotify with local files - it didn't find even half of my files | 16:06 |
| b0bben_ | tathhu: haha | 16:06 |
| b0bben_ | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy1hfZLNrLI | 16:06 |
| b0bben_ | early alpa-q version | 16:06 |
| mgrover | those tiles give me nightmares of windows phone :P | 16:06 |
| b0bben_ | ttyp0: it's just a question of priorities...we can't do all the things everyone wants, even if we want them too | 16:09 |
| b0bben_ | 98% of ppl don't care for queue mgmt, so it's lower prio | 16:10 |
| b0bben_ | we'll get to it eventually | 16:10 |
| b0bben_ | can't please 60m users easily :) | 16:10 |
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| mgrover | the unknown component errors for cover pages, is there anyway to solve that? same for the SearchField component? | 16:11 |
| coderus | mgrover: show eact error | 16:12 |
| coderus | exact* | 16:12 |
| mgrover | C:\Users\Martin\Projects\NationalRail\qml\cover\CoverPage.qml:41: error: Unknown component. (M300) | 16:12 |
| mgrover | for the SearchField: C:\Users\Martin\Projects\NationalRail\qml\pages\LocationSearch.qml:25: error: Could not resolve the prototype 'TextBaseItem' of 'TextBase'. (M301) | 16:13 |
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| mgrover | probably a dumb question but how do my QSqlQuery link to the db object? | 16:27 |
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| mgrover | all the examples just assumes they do | 16:27 |
| ttyp0 | b0bben_, like I wrote above: it is not a revenue-generating feature. | 16:27 |
| b0bben_ | ttyp0: i wouldn't say it's that at all, we don't talk about features in that manner | 16:29 |
| b0bben_ | it's more like: how can be make a great experience for as many as possible with minimum amount of dev time | 16:30 |
| b0bben_ | that itself might translate into money at some point, ppl stick around, become premium etc. | 16:30 |
| mgrover | nevermind | 16:33 |
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| taixzo | Is there a way to keep a SilicaListView scrolled to the bottom when elements are added? | 17:55 |
| taixzo | I tried using Component.onCompleted: { listView.scrollToBottom() } but it moves everything to the bottom of the screen and cuts off the last line added | 17:56 |
| kimmoli | coderus ^ :) | 18:00 |
| kimmoli | does this work? http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qml-qtquick-listview.html#highlightFollowsCurrentItem-prop | 18:01 |
| kimmoli | and set currentIndex to newest item? | 18:01 |
| kimmoli | dunno | 18:01 |
| taixzo | let's find out | 18:03 |
| Armadillo | taixzo add onCountChanged: listViewId.scrollToBottom() at the ListModel | 18:05 |
| r0kk3rz | setting the currentindex works for me | 18:07 |
| Armadillo | hm yes, this is the better solution, because change also reacts if an item is removed | 18:08 |
| taixzo | scrollToBottom() seems to be broken somehow anyway | 18:08 |
| Armadillo | works like a charm | 18:09 |
| taixzo | like, even if I only have one element in the view, it positions it at the bottom of the screen | 18:09 |
| taixzo | and if I have two or more, the last element is cut off | 18:09 |
| taixzo | how do I set the currentindex to the newest item? | 18:09 |
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| taixzo | figured it out: messages.currentIndex = messages.count - 1 | 18:12 |
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| taixzo | this works excellently! :D | 18:13 |
| Armadillo | :) | 18:13 |
| kimmoli | nice to know := | 18:16 |
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| coderus | sorry i very tired today. :( | 18:51 |
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| taixzo | Is there a way to force a PositionSource to change it's updateInterval right away? | 20:30 |
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| b0bben | so this header took waaaaay too long to make https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S0hloT5Gl-4 | 21:23 |
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| r0kk3rz | whats that for b0bben? | 21:31 |
| b0bben | r0kk3rz: evolution of my spotify client ;) | 21:32 |
| b0bben | you can watch this old video to get some more context: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy1hfZLNrLI | 21:33 |
| tathhu | b0bben: cool :D | 21:34 |
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| r0kk3rz | indeed good work! | 21:40 |
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| b0bben | thx! and good night! :D | 21:42 |
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| coderus | what is green button in non-sailfish style? | 21:57 |
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| mgrover | hello, can I package files to be deployed to /home/user/.folder during installation? | 22:27 |
| coderus | mgrover: yes but not recommended | 22:28 |
| coderus | better you copy files to user folders at first start | 22:28 |
| mgrover | how come? I need the user to be able to edit the files | 22:28 |
| mgrover | and i tried deleting a file from usr/share/app/file and it refused me so I assumed users had no write access | 22:28 |
| coderus | why you tried to do it? :D | 22:29 |
| coderus | files installed by package should be only removed at package uninstallation :) | 22:29 |
| coderus | turn on your logics, man :) | 22:29 |
| mgrover | it was just to check if user had write privileges | 22:30 |
| coderus | :D | 22:30 |
| coderus | so, you new in linux, right? | 22:30 |
| mgrover | so and so? | 22:30 |
| mgrover | well i've dumped it inside /usr/share/appname ill see if user can edit db | 22:33 |
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| coderus | at start you should copy this file at user location if it doesn't exists | 22:46 |
| mgrover | the files there, it deploys to the location fine now. I just need to test if the program can edit it | 22:48 |
| coderus | you should install file to /usr/share/appname and copy it to user location at start if file does not exists | 22:49 |
| coderus | if you doing it other way - you doing it wrong. | 22:49 |
| coderus | but who i am, you can do what you want. you can do chown in postinst script :) | 22:50 |
| mgrover | well currently I install files to /usr/share/appname/data | 22:50 |
| mgrover | am wondering if my app will be able to modify the files in that location | 22:50 |
| coderus | in *what* locaion? | 22:51 |
| coderus | location* | 22:51 |
| mgrover | in /usr/share/appname/data | 22:51 |
| coderus | of course it can't | 22:51 |
| mgrover | okay, copy it is | 22:52 |
| coderus | user only can edit files in user folder (and sdcard) | 22:52 |
| coderus | thats why system have permissions and other cool stuff and you still not hacked | 22:52 |
| mgrover | well I guessed that. its why I went to /usr/share/appname/data and attempted to delete a file as user, when user couldn't I assumed user had no write access. But you made me think otherwise | 22:53 |
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| coderus | sorry then | 22:54 |
| mgrover | meh, I can't really complain, you've helped so much lol | 22:54 |
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