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| Armadillo | someone already got a dev tablet? | 07:06 |
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| Lieke | they were shipped three weeks ago, so most likely | 07:07 |
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| inte | is there any difference between the dev-tablets which were shipped already and the consumer version? | 07:51 |
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| TemeV | inte: afaik no. I think the blog said that dev-tablets are the first production batch (kind of test batch) and us mortals will get exactly the same from the next batch | 07:57 |
| inte | cool that implies the design is eventually finished | 07:58 |
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| Aciid | the people who I talked with about evozi downloader, this is what concerned me https://apps.evozi.com/ | 12:41 |
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| Aciid | same guy advertises APK downloader and http injection. | 12:42 |
| Aciid | also the APK doesn't come straight from google play | 12:42 |
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| Morgawr | I'm playing around with QML and SailfishSDK development. I want to make an image visualizer and I need to use a PinchArea to zoom in/out of the image however it doesn't seem to be working at all if the image is within a SilicaFlickable... | 12:46 |
| Morgawr | If the Image is a top-level element (aka a child of Page) then it works perfectly but if I put it inside a SilicaFlickable or a Rectangle or something like that the PinchArea is completely unresponsive. I tried copying some examples I found on the web and they are 100% the same but it still is unresponsive, I wonder if it's a bug | 12:47 |
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| Morgawr | Argh, if I put the PinchArea as a top level element and put the Image as its target I can pinch to zoom but I lose the Horizontal and Vertical scrolls | 12:55 |
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| Nicd- | Aciid: I wish our president was Tarja Turunen :D | 12:57 |
| Morgawr | http://pastebin.com/sjZs3N8c This is my code in case anybody wants to give a quick look at it, is there something significantly wrong that I am doing? | 13:00 |
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| gabriel9 | Tarja Turunen FTW! | 13:13 |
| * Morgawr pulls his hair out | 13:23 | |
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| daitheflu | Morgawr: (quick idea, didn't tested it) maybe the PinchArea's pinch.target should be bound to the SilicaFlickable itself ? | 13:26 |
| Morgawr | daitheflu: I tried binding it to the SilicaFlickable, to the Image itself and to the Item containing it, still no luck. I'll try again just to be sure... | 13:27 |
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| Morgawr | Yep, no luck :( | 13:28 |
| daitheflu | :/ | 13:29 |
| Morgawr | Been fighting with this since yesterday, it's so annoying | 13:31 |
| kimmoli | drag target too, do you need flicable? | 13:31 |
| Morgawr | I even tried putting handlers with console messages to onPinchStarted etc etc events and it prints nothing at all | 13:31 |
| daitheflu | maybe set clip: true on your Flickable ? | 13:31 |
| daitheflu | or enabled: true on your PinchArea ? | 13:32 |
| Morgawr | kimmoli: right now I don't but I will as I add more functionality with the pulldown menu | 13:32 |
| Morgawr | Also what do you mean with drag target? Maybe it's something I'm missing | 13:33 |
| daitheflu | https://github.com/Maledictus/foursail/blob/master/qml/PhotoDetailPage.qml | 13:33 |
| Morgawr | daitheflu: I fail to see what I'm doing differently, my code is pretty much the same aside from the AnimationImage stuff and the fancy transitions | 13:36 |
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| daitheflu | Morgawr: yep that's also what I'm seeing :( | 13:38 |
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| daitheflu | except the ScrollDecorator that comes after the PinchArea | 13:39 |
| Morgawr | daitheflu: Yeah I tried moving that over too, no luck | 13:40 |
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| Morgawr | mmm.. this is interesting | 13:43 |
| Morgawr | if I use a Flickable instead of a SilicaFlickable and bind target to flickable it works | 13:43 |
| Morgawr | both scrolling and pinching | 13:43 |
| Morgawr | but if I use SilicaFlickable, same exact code, it doesn't work | 13:43 |
| Morgawr | maybe it's a bug? | 13:43 |
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| daitheflu | I think a SilicaFlickable is just a Flickable with QuickScroll and maybe specific boundsBehavior | 13:48 |
| coderus | Its a feature | 13:48 |
| Morgawr | daitheflu: Yeah that's what I'm seeing in the code, but it's very weird | 13:48 |
| daitheflu | coderus: is this ironic ? | 13:48 |
| coderus | daitheflu: no, just open SilicaFlickable.qml, it's free | 13:49 |
| coderus | and check difference yourself | 13:50 |
| Morgawr | coderus: That's what I'm doing, tryin to find the culprit for this behavior | 13:51 |
| daitheflu | Morgawr: check the boundsBehavior, they are set to Flickable.StopAtBounds (when there is no PullDown/PushUpMenu | 13:55 |
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| Morgawr | daitheflu: Yeah, I already changed them back to the default in Flickable and I can see a difference in behavior (I can drag the image over the borders) but still no pinching | 13:56 |
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| daitheflu | Morgawr: mmkay, that's still an improvement :D | 13:57 |
| Morgawr | I also tried adding a dummy pulldownmenu but no improvements | 13:57 |
| Morgawr | what confuses me is the fact that my code should work (it works with Flickable) and it did work for other people because I've seen the same code in other projects, yet in this case it doesn't | 13:58 |
| Morgawr | so either a bug was introduced and people didn't notice, or I have no idea what is actually going on | 13:58 |
| Morgawr | Interesting, if I set 'interactive' property to false then I can pinch and zoom but I can't scroll | 14:00 |
| Morgawr | so I'm almost positive there's something eating the input and never delivering it to the PinchArea | 14:00 |
| Morgawr | (I already tried pressDelay: 0 by the way) | 14:01 |
| daitheflu | you're on the way :) | 14:01 |
| coderus | Morgawr: https://github.com/CODeRUS/better-sailfishos-qmltypes/blob/Sdk1506/Sailfish/Gallery/ImageViewer.qml | 14:02 |
| Morgawr | Alright, it seems to be working when I put pressDelay: -1 | 14:02 |
| Morgawr | Now I'll check coderus' link :) | 14:02 |
| Morgawr | Oh, welp | 14:03 |
| coderus | This is how gallery works | 14:03 |
| Morgawr | line 39 | 14:03 |
| Morgawr | So yeah, it's pressDelay (when I set to 0 it was fine then, I just didn't trigger the pinch properly probably) | 14:03 |
| Morgawr | coderus: Thanks | 14:03 |
| coderus | you can just use this component from system | 14:04 |
| coderus | pageStack.push("Sailfish.Gallery.ImageViewer", {"source": imageSource}) | 14:04 |
| coderus | ah no sorry its not a page | 14:04 |
| coderus | so just Qt.createObject instead | 14:05 |
| Morgawr | Do I have to import some additional library? | 14:05 |
| coderus | if you want to go to harbour no | 14:09 |
| coderus | if just openrepos then you can import it and use as always | 14:09 |
| Morgawr | I'm a newb with Sailfish dev, what is harbour? | 14:10 |
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| coderus | jolla store | 14:11 |
| Morgawr | ahh | 14:11 |
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| coderus | harbour.jolla.com | 14:11 |
| Morgawr | Alright, I got it working but it's a bit wonky. Zoom doesn't seem to work and if I want to scroll around the image I have to do it with two fingers instead of one flicking around | 14:15 |
| coderus | read the code again :) | 14:16 |
| Morgawr | If I add a pulldownmenu it's off-center too, it's centered on the image which is bigger than the screen, I guess I'll go back to the code :P | 14:16 |
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| Morgawr | coderus: I don't quite get it... http://pastebin.com/2ZAjtJhp This is what I have (I also tried scaled: true but doesn't change anything). I load the image and it's displayed off-center, then when I flick with two fingers (as if I wanted to pinch) it resets to the center of the page and then I can drag it around (with two fingers) but I cannot zoom in/out | 14:24 |
| Morgawr | am I missing something? | 14:24 |
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| coderus | don't you need to andhors.fill: parent it? | 14:26 |
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| Morgawr | I probably do, but it doesn't fix the problem I'm having | 14:29 |
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| Morgawr | I added anchors but still the pinching is not working and depending on which settings I use the image is either out of bounds or is off-center until I move it around then it centers itself | 14:30 |
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| coderus | try call _resetScale in Component.onCompleted | 14:37 |
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| Morgawr | It's not working, I can't get the zoom to work, it's flickering all over the place and drags instead of zooming etc etc | 14:42 |
| Morgawr | I think I'll just stick to the SilicaFlickable with some tweaks | 14:42 |
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| Flexman | really?? getting root access to your device needs store account? | 18:17 |
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| coderus | Flexman: accessing jolla repos needs jolla accounts | 18:20 |
| coderus | you may enable installing untrusted and make and install own developer mode tools from your repo or rpms | 18:21 |
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| Flexman | coderus: ah ok, so i could install untrusted ssh, etc. to fully access the phone? | 18:27 |
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| coderus | yes | 18:28 |
| coderus | but please tell us why? | 18:28 |
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| coderus | jolla account is only for accessing jolla store and repos. it have no any "jolla services" running in background and collecting your data :D | 18:29 |
| Flexman | coderus: well my cousin bought the phone and was disappointed that he has to register somewhere in order to have full access to the phone | 18:29 |
| coderus | and he is never registering in any sites in web to download files, access foruns, etc.? | 18:30 |
| Flexman | but why not offering the things without store? do you have to create the packages yourself or are they available somewhere? | 18:31 |
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| coderus | if you have jolla yourself you can download packages he need | 18:31 |
| Flexman | coderus: well, when i had my Palm or Nokia E71 I also didn't have to register somewhere to use it... | 18:31 |
| coderus | Flexman: because nobody cares about 0.01% of peoples with paranoia | 18:31 |
| locusf | or just install Nemo :p | 18:32 |
| Flexman | maybe the company who does phones for 0.01% of the peoples should :-D | 18:32 |
| locusf | but that requires 2 Jollas | 18:32 |
| Flexman | however, doesn't have to do with paranoia... even with a windows or linux pc I don't have to register somewhere for installing things | 18:33 |
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| coderus | Flexman: i'm not working in Jolla and i have different point of view than yours | 18:33 |
| coderus | And i dont care about paranoia peoples and dont want to have conversations about peoples paranoia | 18:33 |
| Flexman | that's they way how you expect the linux package manager to work. I never had to login for using the Ubuntu or Debian package manager. why should I? | 18:33 |
| coderus | Jolla asked you to create account and you refused with no reason = looks like paranoia for me | 18:34 |
| Flexman | coderus: like i said it doesn't have to do with paranoia. it's just: if you expect linux you expect kind of a package manager that just works right away | 18:34 |
| locusf | ah.. | 18:34 |
| coderus | I never compare things and companies, its stupid imho | 18:34 |
| Flexman | locusf: you understand what i mean? | 18:34 |
| locusf | I just realized that ecovry mode can't access network | 18:34 |
| locusf | Flexman: yeah I get where you're coming from | 18:35 |
| Flexman | coderus: doesn't have to do with comparisons... i could also ask people to register before they enter my house and ask them if they are paranoid when they ask me why. but why should i do that? | 18:35 |
| coderus | Flexman: why you asking me | 18:37 |
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| coderus | there is together.jolla.com | 18:37 |
| coderus | where you can ask to create separate repo for devtools with no authentication | 18:37 |
| locusf | Flexman: the problem essentially is guarantee, if people wildly install dev mode and break their stuff, they could not get their warranty repairs if Jolla doesn't know that you instlled developer mode | 18:37 |
| coderus | but beware, this sire require to create jolla accoutn too :D | 18:37 |
| Flexman | locusf: ah i see | 18:37 |
| coderus | site* | 18:37 |
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| Flexman | coderus: see. that gurantee thing makes sense. asking for an account because "we don't care about paranoid people" does not make sense :-D | 18:40 |
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| zoldyck | I don't see how creating an account makes it easier for Jolla (company) to track you | 18:40 |
| zoldyck | you could be tracked with your IP address or device ID | 18:41 |
| zoldyck | or something else :) | 18:41 |
| coderus | Flexman: i'm not working in Jolla | 18:41 |
| Flexman | coderus: me neither | 18:41 |
| coderus | I'm giving just my personal vision | 18:41 |
| r0kk3rz | Flexman: you can run a jolla phone without an account, but i would wait for new jolla phone before doing that | 18:41 |
| coderus | and for me all these peoples not registering in Jolla accounts are paranoid | 18:42 |
| Flexman | zoldyck: i wonder how redhat and microsoft handle it with the guarantee when you can install software without registering at a store ;-) | 18:42 |
| r0kk3rz | as the current jolla phone ships with very old softwares, and will be of limited and buggy use | 18:42 |
| Flexman | r0kk3rz: ah ok. doesn't it get the 2.0 update? | 18:42 |
| r0kk3rz | Flexman: you need an account to update OS | 18:43 |
| r0kk3rz | but you could update OS, and then remove the jolla account and carry on | 18:43 |
| Flexman | ah ok i see | 18:43 |
| r0kk3rz | use openrepos for apps, which doesnt need an account either | 18:43 |
| r0kk3rz | or compile yourself from source | 18:43 |
| locusf | except some Jolla apps | 18:44 |
| r0kk3rz | thats true, but there are alternatives for most | 18:44 |
| r0kk3rz | well maybe not most, but browser and media players | 18:44 |
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| r0kk3rz | i forget what comes pre-installed, was too long ago | 18:45 |
| locusf | yes | 18:45 |
| locusf | even browser is too | 18:45 |
| coderus | you can't install android support with no jolla account | 18:46 |
| coderus | ;) | 18:46 |
| locusf | yes | 18:46 |
| locusf | unless ou wait for shashlik | 18:46 |
| locusf | which might take years still to mature | 18:47 |
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| zoldyck | what stores do you people use for the world of Android? | 18:47 |
| zoldyck | just curious! | 18:47 |
| inte | zoldyck: http://apkpure.com/region-free-apk-download | 18:48 |
| coderus | zoldyck: i have google services installed with no problems | 18:49 |
| coderus | have all google and facebook apps installed with services :) | 18:49 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah same, its evil but somewhat unavoidable at this stage | 18:49 |
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| Flexman | facebook is avoidable ;) | 19:12 |
| Flexman | google store... well... you could use f-droid or aptoide or amazon. don't know if the last two are better though... | 19:12 |
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| r0kk3rz | tinfoil for facebook is a good alternative to the full blown spyware | 19:14 |
| r0kk3rz | used that before switching off android | 19:14 |
| Flexman | i think coffeehouse is a good alternative | 19:15 |
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| inte | eventually | 19:43 |
| inte | can anybody please point me to the sqlite db where telepathy account data is stored? | 19:44 |
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| inte | or wherever | 19:45 |
| inte | xml file or sth | 19:45 |
| fmeerkoetter | hi guys, i am trying to use the qml plugin from https://github.com/nemomobile/libconnman-qt/ | 19:45 |
| fmeerkoetter | does anyone know its way around that lib? | 19:45 |
| fmeerkoetter | specifically i'd like to use the TechnologyModel in QML | 19:47 |
| fmeerkoetter | how does the include look i have to write? import MeeGo.Connman.TechnologyModel 2.0 | 19:47 |
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| r0kk3rz | 0.2 not 2.0 | 19:51 |
| r0kk3rz | at least thats what it looks like in the source | 19:51 |
| fmeerkoetter | r0kk3rz: true | 19:51 |
| fmeerkoetter | tried that already | 19:51 |
| fmeerkoetter | switched it around afterwards | 19:51 |
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| fmeerkoetter | r0kk3rz: i have very little experience with the qmldir mechanism. is it supposed to work like that? | 19:52 |
| r0kk3rz | you have the lib set up in your .pro? | 19:52 |
| fmeerkoetter | r0kk3rz: no. its a plugin | 19:53 |
| fmeerkoetter | not something i link at compile time | 19:54 |
| fmeerkoetter | wrong way of thinking? | 19:54 |
| r0kk3rz | i think you'll find it doesnt work with magic and pixie dust, and you need to point to the lib | 19:54 |
| r0kk3rz | specifically: https://github.com/nemomobile/libconnman-qt/blob/master/plugin/components.cpp#L27 | 19:54 |
| r0kk3rz | that line registers the qml type | 19:55 |
| fmeerkoetter | true. the qmldir does not mention the technologymodel | 19:55 |
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| r0kk3rz | but depending on what you're trying to do, you may have to static link it anyway | 19:56 |
| r0kk3rz | ie. if its going anywhere near harbour | 19:57 |
| fmeerkoetter | r0kk3rz: i have to admit that i am trying to use the lib on a yocto generated embedded linux device | 19:58 |
| r0kk3rz | oh right, that should be fine | 19:58 |
| fmeerkoetter | yupp. its shipped as part of the meta-qt5 yocto layer | 19:59 |
| r0kk3rz | well there you go | 19:59 |
| r0kk3rz | but still, i think if you set up the lib in your .pro you should be good to go | 19:59 |
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| r0kk3rz | might be as simple as Qt += libconnman-qt | 20:02 |
| r0kk3rz | ive had to do that for qml things in the past anyway | 20:02 |
| fmeerkoetter | r0kk3rz: i am already doing this. this links my programm against the libconnman-qt (but not the plugin) | 20:03 |
| fmeerkoetter | the plugin itself is using libconnman-qt | 20:03 |
| fmeerkoetter | the plugin adds additional functionality (and implements a qqmlextensionplugin) which is not in the libconnman-qt | 20:03 |
| fmeerkoetter | i cannot instanciate the plugin on the c++ side | 20:04 |
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| fmeerkoetter | i somehow need to get the qmldir mechanism to do it for me | 20:04 |
| fmeerkoetter | at least the was my understanding... | 20:04 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe Qt += ConnmanQtDeclarative | 20:04 |
| fmeerkoetter | lets try | 20:06 |
| r0kk3rz | maybe Config += actually, looking at my own sources now | 20:07 |
| r0kk3rz | ive used a tracker qml plugin before | 20:07 |
| fmeerkoetter | this has an effect | 20:08 |
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| fmeerkoetter | Project ERROR: Unknown module(s) in QT: ConnmanQtDeclarative | 20:08 |
| fmeerkoetter | QML module does not contain information about components contained in plugins. | 20:08 |
| fmeerkoetter | Module path: /opt/poky/1.8+snapshot/sysroots/arm1176jzfshf-vfp-poky-linux-gnueabi/usr/lib/qt5/qml | 20:08 |
| fmeerkoetter | See "Using QML Modules with Plugins" in the documentation. | 20:08 |
| fmeerkoetter | Automatic type dump of QML module failed. | 20:08 |
| fmeerkoetter | looks like it wants me to write or generate a qmltypes file | 20:09 |
| r0kk3rz | you dont have to | 20:09 |
| fmeerkoetter | ? | 20:09 |
| r0kk3rz | you'll just get red lines in qtc | 20:09 |
| r0kk3rz | but it will build at run | 20:09 |
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| r0kk3rz | the qmltypes just helps the autocomplete | 20:09 |
| guanche | hi, is there a list of phones where sailfish has been ported and is working? something like this: https://wiki.merproject.org/wiki/Adaptations/libhybris | 20:10 |
| r0kk3rz | guanche: thats the list | 20:10 |
| guanche | and is it up to date? | 20:11 |
| r0kk3rz | yes | 20:11 |
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| r0kk3rz | well, mostly, its up to the individual porters to update info on their ports | 20:11 |
| guanche | I wonder which one should I buy, none of them shows everything as supported, yet I'd go for the most used arround? | 20:11 |
| fmeerkoetter | r0kk3rz: i guess I give up on this for now. no point in ruining a perfectly fine evening ;-) | 20:12 |
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| r0kk3rz | guanche: nexus 5 is the most stable i think | 20:12 |
| guanche | or said otherwise, one where community support is actively going on | 20:12 |
| guanche | thanks, let me see | 20:12 |
| r0kk3rz | guanche: for support and such hang around in #sailfishos-porters | 20:14 |
| r0kk3rz | there you can talk with the people who actually do the work for these ports | 20:14 |
| guanche | quite expensive the nexus 5, isn't it? | 20:15 |
| r0kk3rz | no idea | 20:15 |
| guanche | I can see it for about 200 or 180 euros, second hand | 20:15 |
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| r0kk3rz | if you want to buy a phone for sailfishos, then the jolla phone is your main option | 20:17 |
| guanche | that's quite expensive as well, isn't it? | 20:17 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah | 20:18 |
| r0kk3rz | but if you want a full jolla supported sailfishos experience, then that and the tablet are the only options | 20:19 |
| r0kk3rz | in a few months an indian manufacturer is supposed to be releasing something | 20:19 |
| guanche | sure, well I'm developer, wouldn't mind having a more commonly available device that I could deal with | 20:20 |
| r0kk3rz | alternatively, if you can find a cheap android phone that supports cyanogenmod 11, you can port it yourself | 20:22 |
| guanche | well, that's too much for me, while I'm developer, have almost 0 experience with mobiles | 20:24 |
| r0kk3rz | guanche: thats ok, the guys in the porters channel are great helpers | 20:27 |
| guanche | sure, thanks | 20:28 |
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| inte | ok maybe im doing it wrong | 20:38 |
| inte | how can i add xmpp facebook chat to my jolla? | 20:39 |
| inte | wasnt it the last part of my id number shown when I click on my profile pic? | 20:39 |
| inte | after the dot? | 20:39 |
| inte | @chat.facebook.com | 20:40 |
| inte | ?? | 20:40 |
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| inte | cant find the describtion anymore | 20:41 |
| inte | description | 20:41 |
| inte | howto | 20:41 |
| inte | whatever | 20:41 |
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| coderus | inte: set your page name | 20:43 |
| coderus | and set application password in security settings | 20:44 |
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| urjaman | Q: Would it be possible to rig the usb internet connection sharing (that i know isnt yet even supported) so that the usb0 on the PC side would directly get the external IP of the mobile data connection (rmnet* or something now) and the phone would either be internetless or have 2 mobile data links up (i know thats possible since even my 6630 did that) ? | 22:50 |
| urjaman | if the phone was a router/modem device this'd be called bridge but i dont think the linux bridge stuff would help that much in this case :/ | 22:51 |
| urjaman | (i hate it when new stuff is less capable than old stuff; with the nokia phones this was just a ppp link away...) | 22:52 |
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