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coderus | urjaman: explain easier please | 00:38 |
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coderus | you want to get internet on pc from phone via usb or what? | 00:38 |
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urjaman | basically "directly" plug the mobile data connection into usb0, so no NAT or other filtering by the phone - there would be the question of how the IP parameters would be transferred (maybe the phone would need to fake dhcp answer with the proper ip and dns) | 00:41 |
urjaman | the traditional way was to form a ppp connection to the phone over bt rfcomm or usb acm (the phone would be a modem with AT commands and ppp...) | 00:42 |
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urjaman | now i have the phone as a temporary (ADSL failed) link plugged into my alix fw/router and it thinks that the external ip is 192.168.2.2, but more than that there's now _two_ NATs between my network and internet, one of which isnt familiar to me... | 00:47 |
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coderus | install usb-moded-connection-sharing-android-config on phone | 00:55 |
coderus | and on connection select internet sharing | 00:55 |
urjaman | yeah that gives the current crap NAT | 00:57 |
urjaman | i want the phone to give the connection to me, not share it | 00:57 |
urjaman | (with itself and others over the usb or wifi) | 00:57 |
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urjaman | i'd try to bridge rndis0 and rmnet0 on the phone and remove the public ip from them and put the local one in the bridge interface and put the public one on the usb interface on the PC side and configure the PC to have the correct gateway ip (gleaned from the phone routing table), but the phone doesnt have the brctl tools to do that and still i'm not sure if it'd work | 01:05 |
urjaman | (and it just sounds like something really fragile if you just manually force it...) | 01:06 |
urjaman | so i was just putting it out there that i'd like if this was possible just with a check"box" in UI someday later | 01:07 |
coderus | its 6:16 here, and its not a morning for me, its a deep night, i'll go to sleep later, but. and i dont understand what you mean, but i'm connecting my phone to my router easily and it works. | 01:18 |
urjaman | it works for outgoing connections, but not for servers | 01:19 |
urjaman | (i've gone through the trouble of having a public IP on the mobile data (a checkbox in their website to enable the possibility) and now my phone is being the annoying part...) | 01:20 |
urjaman | hopefully ddclient isnt trying to tell dy.fi that my site is at 192.168.2.2 (havent checked) | 01:21 |
urjaman | pretty sure i bound that to check eth0 (on the alix) so it isnt saying anything at all, but get the idea... | 01:22 |
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urjaman | brb checking whether i'd already have the adsl back (something with the usb0 config is interfering with my ability to talk to the adsl router... ugh...) | 01:36 |
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Morgawr | What's the optimal/accepted way of opening files from disk? I'm looking for a FileDialog but apparently the QtQuick one doesn't work on Sailfish? | 09:59 |
Acce | one accepted way at least is to create your own component in C++ | 10:03 |
Acce | quite simple too | 10:03 |
Morgawr | Is there an example or page I can look at to learn how to do that? Not specifically for this, just something to point me in the right direction | 10:04 |
Morgawr | I'm getting familiarized with Qt/QML but I've never used it before so it takes some time to work around stuff | 10:05 |
Acce | hmm for making your own C++ things usable from qml: http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtqml-cppintegration-topic.html and http://doc.qt.io/qt-5/qtqml-cppclasses-topic.html | 10:07 |
Morgawr | Acce: Thanks | 10:08 |
Acce | Morgawr: np, you can also search github.com for "sailfish", you will find some apps you can use as example there | 10:09 |
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Morgawr | Quick question, if I keep adding pages on the stack and then perform a replace(), does that replace all the pages or only the latest one on the stack? | 10:19 |
Acce | only the latest, see silica docs on how to discard more pages | 10:19 |
Morgawr | thanks | 10:21 |
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Vae_DuckZ | hi I've just heard about this diaspora* thing, which is a facebook alternative if I got it right | 10:49 |
Yaniel | more or less | 10:49 |
Vae_DuckZ | has anybody tried it yet? is there any support for it in sf? | 10:49 |
Morgawr | I thought it was more like a twitter alternative, honestly, but I haven't looked at it personally | 10:49 |
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anYc | I tried it years ago. It worked but no one else was using it actively. A few days ago I saw the android app in f-droid | 11:59 |
Vae_DuckZ | are there any privacy concerns? some blogs I found argue it's worse than facebook, not sure how trustworthy those blogs are tho | 12:00 |
anYc | If I have some spare time again I will take a look at https://movim.eu/ | 12:01 |
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Vae_DuckZ | nice stuff | 12:03 |
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Morgawr | I'm trying to load a bunch of images in a SlideshowView using a model. The model exposes the filenames of the images. I then set the image inside the delegate with source: model.filePath (or whatever) however nothing is being displayed. I have console.log() to check that the path is correct | 12:29 |
Morgawr | what could be the problem? I'm thinking maybe some caching issue or something that loads the page before the image is fetched in the model, but I have put cache: false and asynchronous:false but it still doesn't work | 12:30 |
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Nc_ | hrmpf - Tizen support, but no SailfishOS :( - http://blogs.unity3d.com/2015/08/26/unity-comes-to-linux-experimental-build-now-available/ | 12:40 |
coderus | Morgawr: show your qml | 12:42 |
Morgawr | argh, gotta catch a plane, I'll catch up on this in a few hours sorry :) | 12:49 |
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dr_gogeta86 | Nc_, tizenenv :-D | 13:03 |
daitheflu | Hi | 13:04 |
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coderus | hm, inside jolla-settings page using nemomobile contacts cant populate people model, it never happening. the only output is [W] QObject::connect:2501 - QObject::connect: Cannot connect (null)::contactsPresenceChanged(QList<QContactId>) to SeasideCache::contactsPresenceChanged(QList<QContactId>), wtf? | 15:28 |
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olpe | Shoot. I forgot to unapply patches before updating | 15:34 |
olpe | Any code to force unapplying patches? | 15:34 |
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coderus | devel-su; patch -R -p 1 -d / -i /var/lib/patchmanager/ausmt/patches/{patchname}/unified_diff.patch. | 15:37 |
coderus | ignore "already unapplied" ones | 15:38 |
olpe | I'll try | 15:38 |
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olpe | Hmm.. Worked at least partly. | 15:47 |
coderus | yes you should unapply all available chunks | 15:47 |
olpe | Unreversed patch detected! Ignore -R? [n] | 15:48 |
olpe | should i say yes | 15:48 |
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olpe | Got everything unapplied now. Thx coderus! | 15:50 |
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olpe | Started to collect useful commands that are not so easy to remember in a gist. Wonder if somebody already did this somewhere? Or am I the only one who needs this kind of stuff | 16:04 |
olpe | https://gist.github.com/olpeh/df6d98b5140b7cdb85b0 | 16:05 |
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coderus | can jolla-settings run application for item, not page, like it was implemented in N9 settings? | 16:41 |
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r0kk3rz | i dont see why not coderus any app can call other app through dbus to lipstick | 16:59 |
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coderus | r0kk3rz: you do not understand what i mean | 17:33 |
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coderus | r0kk3rz: did you ever created items for settings? | 17:38 |
r0kk3rz | nope | 17:39 |
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coderus | :) | 17:48 |
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inte` | coderus is eventsview controls with settings applet 1.1.7.24 ONLY or would it also work on 1.1.7.27? | 18:02 |
inte` | ok. tried it. well it does but it looks somewhat weird :) | 18:04 |
inte` | ah no | 18:04 |
inte` | now its fine great | 18:04 |
inte` | only it unapplyable but nevermind | 18:05 |
inte` | its | 18:05 |
inte` | this is actually one of the best patches ever | 18:07 |
inte` | so useful! | 18:07 |
inte` | THANK YOU!! | 18:07 |
olpe | The one with attached page is even better IMO | 18:08 |
inte` | havent tried that one yet | 18:08 |
inte` | but shortly:) | 18:09 |
olpe | It allows you to have the items in the lower area of the screen. My thumb is lazy | 18:09 |
inte` | ah cant install at present since it conflicts with the eventsview controls patch | 18:10 |
inte` | which is currenty unapplyable | 18:10 |
inte` | well, it can be unapplied with the command coderus mentioned above | 18:10 |
olpe | Yeah | 18:10 |
inte` | but im too lazy for that atm :) | 18:10 |
olpe | Sho | 18:11 |
olpe | Should have a patch for unapplying other patches | 18:11 |
inte` | probably | 18:11 |
inte` | but since the normal unapply mechanism failes at present | 18:11 |
inte` | probably due to version mismatch (im on 1.1.7.27 already) | 18:12 |
inte` | that unapply patch will most likely fail as well | 18:12 |
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Salzi | Hi all | 19:32 |
Venemo_tbj | hi | 19:32 |
Salzi | I just started with my first app and need to save a password (to connect to a remote server). Probably the QSettings class will be the easiest but I don't want to save the passward in plain text. I was just wondering if there is a 'best pratice' way to store such things? | 19:34 |
coderus | don't store as plain text, use some base64 or xor or aes, whatever you likes | 19:38 |
urjaman | gg obfuscation | 19:38 |
SfietKonstantinW | Salzi: until we have secure storage (like sandboxing) you cannot have safe storage client side | 19:39 |
SfietKonstantinW | one way could be to ask for lock code, but you don't have access to this api :( | 19:39 |
coderus | you can use Accounts interfaces | 19:39 |
urjaman | (well you can like base64 it so its not like obvious, but you should still say "want to save effectively as plaintext?") | 19:39 |
coderus | it stores passwords somewhere inside and you can't read them | 19:39 |
coderus | base64 with randomized dictionary | 19:39 |
SfietKonstantinW | coderus: you might need privileged stuff to do this ? | 19:40 |
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coderus | SfietKonstantinW: no, you just need to create service and account stuff and connect to your server not directly and use accounts | 19:40 |
coderus | means creating plugin for accounts and you will setup everything in system accounts settings | 19:40 |
Salzi | hmm so my passwords from my e-mail accounts are also stored in plain text or do that app have the needed privileges? | 19:41 |
coderus | and your application will just utilize created account and connect using it and will talk to system, not server directly | 19:41 |
coderus | SfietKonstantinW: your passwords stored in system accounts are secured | 19:41 |
coderus | at least thre are no public way to read themn | 19:41 |
Salzi | at least that ;) | 19:42 |
Salzi | but in fact most apps that need login to a webservice (like a file browser with webdav) stores the passwords somhow unsafe | 19:43 |
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r0kk3rz | Salzi: you can mash it up, but at some point it has to be reversable | 19:49 |
r0kk3rz | and whatever key you might use to encrypt it with, also has the same problem | 19:50 |
Salzi | yupp | 19:50 |
r0kk3rz | so unless you make the user put in a password of some kind, all the information is on the device | 19:50 |
Venemo_tbj | I wouldn't worry about it so much | 19:52 |
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Salzi | Venemo_tbj: true but for me it is still a bit scary to safe passwords unsafe in a time where everybody things about privacy, encryption, ... | 19:55 |
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Salzi | for my project it doesn't really matter. It's not a super safe thing | 19:56 |
Venemo_tbj | Salzi: yeah, well, if someone lays hands on my tablet, I'm screwed anyway | 19:56 |
Venemo_tbj | or my phone | 19:56 |
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Venemo_tbj | especially laptop | 19:57 |
Venemo_tbj | these days | 19:57 |
Salzi | Venemo_tbj: do you already got your tablet? ;-) | 19:57 |
Venemo_tbj | basically they are auto-logged-in into every service I use | 19:57 |
Venemo_tbj | Salzi: didn't order one | 19:57 |
Venemo_tbj | Salzi: I meant it as a figure of speech | 19:58 |
coderus | everything is reversible | 19:58 |
coderus | so just dont worry and just use something simple | 19:58 |
coderus | so it wont be possible to read it as plain tet | 19:58 |
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coderus | and it will be enough | 19:58 |
Salzi | same here but the phone is probebly the first thing I could lose | 19:58 |
Venemo_tbj | yeah | 19:58 |
Venemo_tbj | Salzi: but like I said, if someone gets my phone and figures out my lock code, he basically can get into my twitter, facebook, emails, whatnot | 20:00 |
Venemo_tbj | the last thing I care about is a password in a random app | 20:00 |
Venemo_tbj | that being said, use some minimal efforts to protect it as coderus suggested | 20:01 |
Salzi | by the way coderus do you know if someone is working on a textsecure client (native sailfish) using your libs? | 20:01 |
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Salzi | fist I have to get used to this "new" QML stuff ;-) Until now I never used QML within my Qt projects | 20:02 |
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coderus | Salzi: i saw one person | 20:03 |
coderus | but don't know about current status | 20:03 |
attah | /opt/sdk is missing and deploy by rpm install with qml not readable by user nemo.. what did i mess up? | 20:03 |
coderus | attah: who knows? show your project. | 20:04 |
Salzi | ok thanks coderus | 20:04 |
attah | coderus: it worked fine before.. i think all i have done is the phone recovery | 20:04 |
r0kk3rz | Salzi: the name of the game is obfuscation, so the process itself is actually the 'secret key'. but usually xor with some bit shifts is sufficient enough | 20:05 |
Venemo_tbj | attah: you can create /opt/sdk as root on the device and chown it to nemo | 20:05 |
coderus | r0kk3rz: use base64 with custom dictionary, it will be enough :) | 20:05 |
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attah | Venemo_tbj: that dd the trick :) | 20:07 |
attah | I'll explore the rpm issue later | 20:07 |
r0kk3rz | a simple cipher? XOR is way more secure than that :P | 20:07 |
attah | Best of all the app still works.. Fresh cover art ftw | 20:08 |
coderus | r0kk3rz: xor is less secure if it constant | 20:08 |
r0kk3rz | naturally | 20:08 |
r0kk3rz | but so is a cipher | 20:08 |
coderus | try to figure whole 64 bytes dictionary | 20:08 |
coderus | you can randomize dictionary on the fly based on imei or any other data from phone | 20:09 |
r0kk3rz | same with your xor key/s | 20:09 |
Venemo_tbj | what's the point? if someone gets access to the device and launches the app, they see your data anyway | 20:09 |
r0kk3rz | Venemo_tbj: you cannot protect against an individual attacker who has physical access to the device | 20:11 |
Venemo_tbj | r0kk3rz: my point exactly | 20:11 |
r0kk3rz | what you need to protect against is mass procuring of password files | 20:11 |
r0kk3rz | thus a minimal amount of tomfoolerly is preferred | 20:12 |
Salzi | don't forget about evil apps that may search your device in the background and send the data to a controll server (I know a not really realistic scenario...) | 20:13 |
Venemo_tbj | mhm | 20:14 |
r0kk3rz | or other remote exploits and such | 20:14 |
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Venemo_tbj | okay | 20:18 |
Venemo_tbj | good point | 20:18 |
coderus | Updated Personal Ringtones to v0.2.0: https://openrepos.net/content/coderus/personal-ringtones | 20:18 |
coderus | i can write such evil app collecting many application passwords including your devicelock password and so :D | 20:20 |
coderus | but you know, i'm a good boy and not making such applications | 20:20 |
Venemo_tbj | really? the device lock is readable for an app? | 20:20 |
coderus | no, but who said it's not possible to make some hack to read it? :D | 20:20 |
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Venemo_tbj | is it? | 20:22 |
Salzi | I never said it's an totally unrealistic scenario. But until know I believe in the sailfish community and most of the apps are open source and if there is such an evil app it should be possible to get rid of it | 20:24 |
Venemo_tbj | indeed. and maybe the store has ways to verify such evilness? | 20:25 |
r0kk3rz | well coderus has made a lockscreen patch before, so you make a patch that looks like the current one but logs everything you press somewhere | 20:26 |
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Salzi | is there somewhre a good overview over all QML element available (buttons, input fileds, ...) can't find it | 20:26 |
r0kk3rz | sailfishos.org and qt.io | 20:27 |
coderus | Venemo_tbj: store of course | 20:28 |
coderus | Salzi: using qt creator press F1 and check it contents | 20:28 |
Salzi | coderus thanks I know the qt assistant but thats the documentation not an overview ;) | 20:30 |
Venemo_tbj | Salzi: sailfishos.org | 20:31 |
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r0kk3rz | the documentation is the overview | 21:02 |
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coderus | Salzi: docs have list of all silica components available | 21:19 |
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satmd | coderus: thank you for your software :) | 21:26 |
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coderus | satmd: :) | 21:45 |
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