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| aimless | still another q before I can publish the app... in the main .cpp file there is the '#include <QtQuick>' within an ifdef-statement. Hence, the release-build always fails. Does anybody know why this include is within that if-statement? | 09:52 |
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| aimless | I didn't changed that. The QtQuick include is from the template within the #ifdef QT_QML_DEBUG statement - for me, it doesn't make sense! | 09:54 |
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| aimless | ah, ok... view->setSource(..), view->show() and app->exec() are parts of the QtQuick, but aren't really used, if you use the main function from SailfishApp... | 10:06 |
| aimless | i.e. return SailfishApp::main(argc, argv); | 10:06 |
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| aimless | ah, no... qmlRegisterType<T>(...) is as well part of the QtQuick... So if you have your own model then you need the QtQuick, but why is it then within this debug if-statement??? | 10:12 |
| aimless | very strange. | 10:12 |
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| urjaman | qmlResiterType is <QtQml> based on quick google | 10:21 |
| urjaman | *qmlRegisterType ... | 10:21 |
| aimless | but it doesn't compile without the QtQuick import. | 10:22 |
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| chriadam_ | I don't know why it was in the ifdef, but basically if you call any api you need to ensure that you include the appropriate header | 10:25 |
| aimless | yes, that's clear. | 10:25 |
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| Mister_Magister | hi. Can somebody give me link to good tutorial how to make apps? I really dont understand that | 18:07 |
| r0kk3rz | Mister_Magister: what kind of apps? | 18:09 |
| r0kk3rz | because the sailfishos.org docs will get you started really | 18:09 |
| Mister_Magister | r0kk3rz: simple apps for sfos in c++ | 18:09 |
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| Mister_Magister | can you give me link for that "docs" | 18:10 |
| r0kk3rz | sure, http://sailfishos.org | 18:10 |
| alterego | Mister_Magister: best bet, download SFOS SDK, start a new Sailfish App project, and learn Qt/C++ & QMl :) | 18:11 |
| alterego | The template code is well documented. | 18:11 |
| Mister_Magister | alterego: oh thanks capitan obvious | 18:12 |
| Mister_Magister | i see nothing there | 18:12 |
| * alterego wonders off | 18:12 | |
| alterego | Don't expect help when you act like a child. | 18:13 |
| speactra | read: https://sailfishos.org/wiki/Application_Development | 18:13 |
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| Profpatsch | Hai | 18:31 |
| Profpatsch | Is there a developer resource for linux sysadmins somewhere? | 18:31 |
| Profpatsch | Things like environment, root access, package manager &c | 18:32 |
| Profpatsch | Please no more App development. | 18:32 |
| Profpatsch | Current question: | 18:32 |
| Profpatsch | How to install a nice pager (less or most) and manpages | 18:32 |
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| Profpatsch | (provided this is the right page when asking about the software on the Jolla Phone) | 18:34 |
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| fledermaus | Profpatsch: https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1397329&postcount=1801 ? | 18:37 |
| r0kk3rz | Profpatsch: you'll probably want to add the mer-tools repo | 18:37 |
| r0kk3rz | pkcon is the package manager | 18:37 |
| r0kk3rz | this is also maybe useful to you http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92036 | 18:39 |
| Profpatsch | It looks to me like there is pretty much no wiki, only forums where this stuff is mentioned. | 18:40 |
| alterego | There's the merproject.org wiki | 18:40 |
| r0kk3rz | Profpatsch: yeah official documentation is getting a revamp at the moment | 18:42 |
| alterego | And how long has that been going on .. | 18:43 |
| alterego | I complained about the docs about a year a go :D | 18:43 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah... | 18:44 |
| r0kk3rz | this is why we stressed community contributions at the fosdem meeting | 18:44 |
| M4rtinK_ | alterego: just a year ago ? :) | 18:44 |
| M4rtinK_ | on a more serious note AFAIK lbt is working on that | 18:45 |
| M4rtinK_ | there is even a wiki now for the Sailfish OS stuff, just not open for registrations yet | 18:45 |
| alterego | M4rtinK_: well, my specific complaint was, the API docs had been taken off line. | 18:47 |
| alterego | They're back now, so I suppose that had got answered .. | 18:47 |
| alterego | I recently wrote a Sailfish app, I hadn't really played much with UI, I was mostly middleware at Jolla. But I remember about this time last year I thought, I really want to make a little app, and couldn't find any docs, I guess I was lucky because I had access to all the source for apps, etc. But meh. | 18:49 |
| M4rtinK_ | alterego: yeah, that was really awful | 18:49 |
| M4rtinK_ | like really | 18:49 |
| M4rtinK_ | how could have something like that happen & take so long to fix ? | 18:49 |
| alterego | I don't know, can't remember what the excuse was. | 18:49 |
| M4rtinK_ | alterego: one was "it's in the SDK" :) | 18:50 |
| alterego | It was just around the tablet announcement too, so the timing couldn't have been better... | 18:50 |
| M4rtinK_ | who uses *that* ? ;-) | 18:50 |
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| alterego | Well, it was the initial indiegogo stage. I just happened to want to write a simple Sailfish app to talk to my cryptsy accounts to track some cryptocoins. | 18:51 |
| M4rtinK_ | so I remember using the Silica BSD code snapshot tbr made on GitHub & generally looking at app source | 18:51 |
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| alterego | But yeah, the API docs had been pulled, no idea why. | 18:51 |
| M4rtinK_ | that might actually be better sometimes as the docs (at least till now) had serious mistakes sometimes | 18:51 |
| alterego | At least, I've forgotten now, why. | 18:51 |
| M4rtinK_ | I don't think there ever was a clear answer | 18:52 |
| alterego | Yeah, mismatched API versions. The components were in constant flux. | 18:52 |
| M4rtinK_ | "technical issues or something" | 18:52 |
| alterego | Heh | 18:52 |
| M4rtinK_ | but really a WTF moment | 18:52 |
| M4rtinK_ | I could kinda understand hosting it on a temporary mirror or something | 18:53 |
| M4rtinK_ | but that didn't happen | 18:53 |
| M4rtinK_ | so weird - and mysterious! | 18:53 |
| r0kk3rz | wasnt it that they had just released the new-look sailfisgos.org | 18:53 |
| r0kk3rz | which was kinda half finished | 18:54 |
| alterego | No, it wasn't like that, it was really they were being updated, but that progress stalled. | 18:54 |
| alterego | Yes | 18:54 |
| alterego | That's right | 18:54 |
| fledermaus | are there repos other than mer tools with eg dig or tcpdump or bind9-host installed? trying to debug a bizarro connectivity/dns issue which only shows up on one of my wifi networks at home. | 18:54 |
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| r0kk3rz | fledermaus: search through whatevers on https://build.merproject.org/ | 18:55 |
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| M4rtinK_ | fledermaus: a lot of stuff is on OBS | 18:55 |
| M4rtinK_ | yep, there | 18:55 |
| fledermaus | ah ,tcpdump is in mer-tools so that's a start | 18:55 |
| r0kk3rz | but in general, no you need to build stuff yourself, and please build on OBS so others can use your work :) | 18:55 |
| M4rtinK_ | it is also pretty easy to pull packages from Fedora and build them there | 18:55 |
| alterego | fledermaus: or you can easily build all the tools you need yourself in a sailfish target in mer platform sdk. | 18:55 |
| alterego | It's sometimes easier to just build the binaries and scp | 18:56 |
| M4rtinK_ | there might just be some slight differences in package names or RPM macro usage | 18:56 |
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| fledermaus | was hoping to keep the yak shave down to a minimum, so packages already in mer is good :) | 18:58 |
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| Profpatsch | r0kk3rz: How long is “at the moment” | 19:00 |
| fledermaus | for some reason DNS / connectivity is super-flaky on the 2.x GHz wifi at home, which is sadly the only one the jolla can use. | 19:00 |
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| r0kk3rz | Profpatsch: well, you see now, the word "soon" is something of a joke around these parts | 19:02 |
| r0kk3rz | so how long? nobody really knows | 19:02 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | Jonni : ping | 19:44 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | hmhm | 19:48 |
| tortoisedoc_ | it appears | 19:48 |
| tortoisedoc_ | (in device with lock mode) | 19:48 |
| tortoisedoc_ | an app with suid set, will bring up the unlock code window only once the display is unlocked | 19:49 |
| tortoisedoc_ | s/unlocked/on | 19:49 |
| tortoisedoc_ | i wonder where the logic for the suid discrimination is | 19:50 |
| tortoisedoc_ | in lipstick i mean | 19:51 |
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| Profpatsch | whee, the wlan adapter is throwing dozens of error messages every few minutes | 19:52 |
| Profpatsch | Including a binary dump in the log. | 19:52 |
| Profpatsch | Nice. | 19:52 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | who is working on the lipstick nowadays | 19:56 |
| tortoisedoc_ | ? | 19:56 |
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| alterego | tortoisedoc_: https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/lipstick/commits/master | 19:58 |
| alterego | ;) | 19:58 |
| tortoisedoc_ | alterego : thanks, but that's jolla-lipstick im looking for :) | 19:59 |
| tortoisedoc_ | but you are right, that's a very good source of reference :) | 19:59 |
| Profpatsch | Is there a way to install manpages | 20:04 |
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| alterego | Profpatsch: generally, no. | 20:07 |
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| alterego | Profpatsch: but you could just copy them onto the device into the right directories. | 20:07 |
| Profpatsch | wat | 20:07 |
| Profpatsch | Why do you leave out a few MB of manpages? | 20:07 |
| alterego | Because embedded :P | 20:07 |
| Profpatsch | They are gzipped by default already ':) | 20:07 |
| Profpatsch | wat | 20:07 |
| alterego | Every MB counts on system partition | 20:08 |
| alterego | And for 99.9% of users, they're completely pountless | 20:08 |
| alterego | Just like you wont find any translations for system commands on the device, because it's a phone. | 20:08 |
| Profpatsch | Is the system partition somewhat more reliable than the internal storage? | 20:08 |
| alterego | Nope, same chip | 20:09 |
| Profpatsch | Because there’s 12GB of that. | 20:09 |
| alterego | So? | 20:09 |
| alterego | I have about 1.5GB free, if I copy just one more song on, I'll probably not be able to do system updates anymore. | 20:09 |
| Profpatsch | That one song uses more storage space than probably all manpages on my development machine combined. | 20:10 |
| alterego | Seriously, why are you wasting your time debating this? | 20:11 |
| Profpatsch | Just curious. | 20:11 |
| alterego | There is no reason to have manpages on the device, full stop. | 20:11 |
| Profpatsch | Well, since I wanted to read them, there is at least one reason. :) | 20:11 |
| tortoisedoc_ | I guess they make a good read for a bus ride | 20:11 |
| * tortoisedoc_ ducks | 20:11 | |
| alterego | And Mer / Sailfish is designed to hopefully scale between all manner of devices, some which may be much more restricted with storage. | 20:11 |
| alterego | There aren't even man pages in the SDK .. | 20:12 |
| r0kk3rz | Profpatsch: its your device mate, if you want to put on man pages then go right ahead | 20:12 |
| alterego | And the manpage is one google away :P | 20:12 |
| alterego | You could even write a manpage app :P | 20:12 |
| Profpatsch | wow, okay. | 20:12 |
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| alterego | Also, if you're at the level of playing around in system, then you shouldn't need manpages :P | 20:14 |
| Profpatsch | man, you are disqualifying yourself big time. | 20:14 |
| Profpatsch | But I got the message. | 20:14 |
| M4rtinK | frankly I also think the missing man pages are a bad idea | 20:14 |
| alterego | heehee | 20:15 |
| alterego | It's a phone! | 20:15 |
| Profpatsch | Just one last question, alterego: Are you on the devteam? | 20:15 |
| M4rtinK | no, its a mobile computer | 20:15 |
| alterego | lol | 20:15 |
| M4rtinK | full stop. | 20:15 |
| M4rtinK | my 6610i is a phone | 20:15 |
| alterego | Sorry, smartphone. | 20:15 |
| alterego | Profpatsch: I was | 20:15 |
| M4rtinK | anyway, if your packaging is up to scratch | 20:15 |
| M4rtinK | the docs should all be marked with a macro anyway | 20:16 |
| M4rtinK | and should be easy to separate out if needed | 20:16 |
| alterego | Most of it I believe is inherited from MeeGo days, we never had manpages there either. | 20:16 |
| alterego | Or on Maemo | 20:16 |
| alterego | M4rtinK: yes, I agree with that. | 20:16 |
| M4rtinK | we solve similar issues in Fedora | 20:16 |
| M4rtinK | cloud & container images want to be as small as possible | 20:16 |
| M4rtinK | and they actually have a point | 20:17 |
| M4rtinK | you migh be running literally thousands of them | 20:17 |
| M4rtinK | also installation images | 20:17 |
| alterego | Well, I can think of many more points about not having them on a (smart)phone | 20:17 |
| M4rtinK | as netinst needs to run from ram until storage has been configured | 20:17 |
| alterego | Or even a "mobile computer" | 20:17 |
| M4rtinK | by default, why not | 20:18 |
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| M4rtinK | but it should be easy to install them on demand | 20:18 |
| alterego | Yes, I can agree that it should be easy to zypper in blah-doc | 20:18 |
| M4rtinK | also | 20:18 |
| M4rtinK | the SDK is the same, right ? :) | 20:18 |
| alterego | Yes, I think I mentioned that. | 20:18 |
| alterego | Which is actually annoyinhg | 20:19 |
| M4rtinK | or does that have man pages and other docs ? | 20:19 |
| alterego | No, no man pages. | 20:19 |
| alterego | And it's annoying | 20:19 |
| M4rtinK | see ;-) | 20:19 |
| alterego | Because git uses manpages for documentation | 20:19 |
| tortoisedoc_ | whats the use case for man pages on the (smart) phone | 20:19 |
| M4rtinK | well | 20:19 |
| alterego | tortoisedoc_: I can't think of one. ;) | 20:19 |
| M4rtinK | I have ToHKBD :) | 20:19 |
| r0kk3rz | referral? | 20:19 |
| tortoisedoc_ | alterego : we got that :o | 20:19 |
| tortoisedoc_ | :P | 20:19 |
| r0kk3rz | whats the use case for documentation *anywhere* | 20:19 |
| alterego | r0kk3rz: lol | 20:19 |
| tortoisedoc_ | becasue what's google? :P | 20:19 |
| tortoisedoc_ | s/becasue/because | 20:20 |
| tortoisedoc_ | i can see alterego | 20:20 |
| alterego | M4rtinK: I don't think that's a valid reason :P | 20:20 |
| M4rtinK | I made use of local documentation a couple of times | 20:20 |
| tortoisedoc_ | 's point | 20:20 |
| M4rtinK | say you are offline | 20:20 |
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| M4rtinK | on a train/bus/airplane | 20:20 |
| M4rtinK | or even in some backwater | 20:20 |
| r0kk3rz | but sure, unless you've ticked the 'developer mode' box, those man pages are utterly useless to you | 20:20 |
| M4rtinK | then the local docs really help | 20:20 |
| alterego | If I'm offline, then I'll be shaking in the corner sweating and crying :P | 20:20 |
| r0kk3rz | and considering the phone is rather bare out of the box, thats fair enough | 20:21 |
| alterego | r0kk3rz: with with dev mode they're useless imo. | 20:21 |
| alterego | s/with/even/ | 20:21 |
| r0kk3rz | alterego: i cant say i miss them, but im not against people installing whatever they want on their devices | 20:21 |
| alterego | I'll want manpages/docs on the phone, when someone comes up with a better terminal app :P | 20:21 |
| alterego | Though maybe ToHKB revolutionises it. | 20:22 |
| alterego | At least on the N900 and N810 my thumbs seriously started to ache after an hour of constant use :P | 20:22 |
| tortoisedoc_ | okay | 20:22 |
| tortoisedoc_ | so maybe | 20:22 |
| tortoisedoc_ | the problem is not having or not man pages on the phone | 20:23 |
| tortoisedoc_ | but the fact that they cant be installed | 20:23 |
| M4rtinK | +1 | 20:23 |
| M4rtinK | also general inconsistency | 20:23 |
| tortoisedoc_ | its all about freedom once again | 20:23 |
| alterego | Agreed | 20:23 |
| tortoisedoc_ | :D | 20:23 |
| M4rtinK | you really want to avoid that if possible | 20:23 |
| r0kk3rz | im sure they can be installed if you wanted to, just not trivially | 20:23 |
| M4rtinK | I think there are two issues actually | 20:24 |
| alterego | scp -r /usr/share/man nemo@192.168.2.15:~/usr/share/man ? | 20:24 |
| M4rtinK | man pages - those could be just taken form somewhere and built in OBS | 20:24 |
| tortoisedoc_ | well ofc they can; you can probably get them from any distro? | 20:24 |
| M4rtinK | and builders nuking everything in %doc | 20:24 |
| M4rtinK | without replacement | 20:24 |
| alterego | There might be an OBS tool that blacklists docs I don't know. | 20:25 |
| alterego | Either way, though I agree with the sentiment of having installable docs. I still think for the /extreme/ edge cases where the odd 2-10 people would find it useful, its's a waste of time compared to the many other issues ;) | 20:26 |
| tortoisedoc_ | openrepos? | 20:26 |
| alterego | Like SDK documentation, for instance :D | 20:26 |
| tortoisedoc_ | SDK docs are for n00bs :P | 20:27 |
| M4rtinK | alterego: even then, I would not discount that | 20:27 |
| M4rtinK | alterego: it might be small in absolute numbers, but they can be power users that are mo likely to influence other technical users or even contribute | 20:28 |
| M4rtinK | than normal "LOL JPHONE" users who certainly don't care about man pages | 20:28 |
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| r0kk3rz | on a side note, i really hate the term 'power user' | 20:29 |
| alterego | I think a real "power user" would be fine without man pages. | 20:32 |
| alterego | Personally, if it wasn't for git, I'd never use them ;) | 20:32 |
| alterego | And that's an issue with git, personally, that it uses manpages for it's help commands .. | 20:33 |
| M4rtinK | I don't think that's really a bad idea | 20:33 |
| M4rtinK | as for advanced users | 20:34 |
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| M4rtinK | sure, you probably don't need man pages for your main are of expertise | 20:34 |
| M4rtinK | but there is just so much stuff around you might want to touch | 20:34 |
| M4rtinK | or need to | 20:34 |
| M4rtinK | I don't think anyone can realistically hold that all in head | 20:35 |
| M4rtinK | unless you mean "reading the source code of the utilities instead" :) | 20:35 |
| alterego | Sure, but, google :P | 20:36 |
| alterego | Or remote shells, etc. | 20:36 |
| M4rtinK | google: man bash :) | 20:36 |
| M4rtinK | well, the remote shell can be to the Jolla actually | 20:36 |
| M4rtinK | I do that quite often | 20:36 |
| M4rtinK | to update packages | 20:37 |
| M4rtinK | run backups | 20:37 |
| M4rtinK | test modRana & co | 20:37 |
| alterego | Yes, that's mostly how I work too. | 20:37 |
| M4rtinK | so it can be startling if stuff just is not there | 20:37 |
| alterego | fingerterm usage is usually just ssh'ing to my server to get on to IRC ;) | 20:37 |
| M4rtinK | you would expect on any linux/unix computer | 20:37 |
| alterego | What about Android? That's Linux too right? :P | 20:38 |
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| M4rtinK | yeah | 20:38 |
| alterego | Can you even scp manpages onto an android device and expect it to work? :P | 20:38 |
| M4rtinK | bot not really GNU/Linux :) | 20:38 |
| M4rtinK | *but | 20:38 |
| alterego | Well, that's not entirely the point, it's a smartphone, it's not trying to be a full Linux desktop or server environment. | 20:38 |
| alterego | Sure it might have more common software packages, but it's still a phone. | 20:39 |
| M4rtinK | https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.oscd.manpages&hl=en | 20:39 |
| alterego | If you wanted a complete GNU/Linux system, then you can chroot into a debian environment, or something ;) | 20:39 |
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| alterego | I did mention a manpage app earlier :P | 20:39 |
| alterego | And, you can install that app under Sailfish Android compat :P | 20:40 |
| alterego | (problem solved) :P | 20:40 |
| coderus | alterego: install weechat relay or glowing bear or port it to sailfishos if you not using android apps | 20:42 |
| coderus | sshing to remote server for ssh is .. :D | 20:42 |
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| alterego | Not sure what you're getting at coderus :P | 20:42 |
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| coderus | alterego>fingerterm usage is usually just ssh'ing to my server to get on to IRC ;) | 20:43 |
| coderus | this | 20:43 |
| coderus | ah | 20:43 |
| coderus | sshing to remote server for ircing is .. :D | 20:44 |
| M4rtinK | BTW | 20:44 |
| M4rtinK | mosh is in OBS | 20:44 |
| M4rtinK | that could help for wacky connections | 20:44 |
| alterego | coderus: erm, no different to me SSH'ing to my server for IRC now on my laptop .. | 20:45 |
| r0kk3rz | i wish most wouldnt garble irssi though | 20:45 |
| alterego | coderus: I have irssi in a screen session. | 20:45 |
| r0kk3rz | s/most/mosh | 20:45 |
| coderus | alterego: i'm using weechat in my server and connecting to it via browser and android applicationis using weechat relays :) | 20:46 |
| alterego | Sounds pants, irssi rules. | 20:46 |
| M4rtinK | there are many options | 20:46 |
| M4rtinK | znc | 20:46 |
| M4rtinK | matrix | 20:46 |
| M4rtinK | xchat over xforward | 20:46 |
| alterego | Not on Sailfish, no X :P | 20:48 |
| coderus | there is also https://github.com/rburchell/irssi-relay you can use with glowing-bear | 20:49 |
| alterego | Again, it doesn't really fit my usecase. I have irssi running in screen on a server, so I can easily SSH and connect to the screen session from phone, tablet, desktop Linux, or Windows. | 20:50 |
| alterego | It just works :P | 20:50 |
| Mister_Magister | Is there way to make sfos apps in other way (except python) | 20:51 |
| M4rtinK | C++ | 20:51 |
| M4rtinK | reportedly | 20:51 |
| alterego | QML + Javascript + qmlscene | 20:52 |
| Mister_Magister | other way not normal | 20:52 |
| Mister_Magister | qml gives me ebola | 20:52 |
| alterego | C + GLES | 20:52 |
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| tortoisedoc_ | ASSEMBLER | 20:53 |
| alterego | SDL | 20:53 |
| alterego | + C | 20:53 |
| M4rtinK | well, there is emacs | 20:53 |
| tortoisedoc_ | GO | 20:53 |
| alterego | Go + GLES :P | 20:53 |
| M4rtinK | so I guess also LISP | 20:53 |
| tortoisedoc_ | PASCAL | 20:53 |
| M4rtinK | IIRC someone ported GO | 20:53 |
| M4rtinK | to SFOS | 20:53 |
| alterego | Java + Android :) | 20:53 |
| tortoisedoc_ | I had compiled pascal on n9 :P | 20:53 |
| coderus | alterego: sshing for irc is toooo oldschool for me now :) | 20:53 |
| alterego | M4rtinK: yeah, you can also just cross compile to ARM ;) | 20:53 |
| tortoisedoc_ | tp7 to be precise | 20:53 |
| M4rtinK | well I have PyPy for Sailfish just in case | 20:53 |
| Mister_Magister | you guys are funny xD | 20:53 |
| M4rtinK | takes about 25 hours to compile | 20:54 |
| tortoisedoc_ | what, go? | 20:54 |
| M4rtinK | yep | 20:54 |
| M4rtinK | IIRC | 20:54 |
| tortoisedoc_ | M4rtinK what machines do they give you @ rh :P | 20:54 |
| alterego | Mister_Magister: without more info, what do you expect? | 20:54 |
| tortoisedoc_ | aah its one of these evenings | 20:54 |
| * tortoisedoc_ goes for the rhum bottle | 20:54 | |
| Mister_Magister | c++ without qml. is this possible? | 20:55 |
| M4rtinK | tortoisedoc: https://together.jolla.com/question/105098/how-to-setup-go-142-15-runtime-and-go-qml-pkg-for-mersdk/ | 20:55 |
| tortoisedoc_ | bah | 20:55 |
| r0kk3rz | Mister_Magister: QML gives you ebola? interesting | 20:55 |
| tortoisedoc_ | Mister_Magister : syre | 20:55 |
| alterego | Mister_Magister: anything is possible | 20:55 |
| tortoisedoc_ | s/syre/sure | 20:55 |
| r0kk3rz | never heard of that feature before | 20:55 |
| Mister_Magister | alterego: but how | 20:55 |
| alterego | Mister_Magister: but I don't think QML is the problem with you ;) | 20:55 |
| M4rtinK | QML is not that bad IMHO | 20:55 |
| alterego | Mister_Magister: what are you trying to develop? | 20:55 |
| M4rtinK | try doing something substantial with GTK3 | 20:55 |
| tortoisedoc_ | QML is cool | 20:55 |
| alterego | Mister_Magister: what kind of app? | 20:55 |
| M4rtinK | that's fun! :) | 20:56 |
| alterego | QML is awesome | 20:56 |
| tortoisedoc_ | except it is meant to be "smart" and because of that has all that controlling logic squashed into it | 20:56 |
| alterego | I wrote a pretty cool app in 2 days last weekend. | 20:56 |
| tortoisedoc_ | you can easily end up in a mess with it | 20:56 |
| M4rtinK | I guess C/C++ & SDL should be possible | 20:56 |
| Mister_Magister | Simple app. any. I can't add normally action to button or somethink because i have to make my own button class with functions to use this functions | 20:56 |
| tortoisedoc_ | s/controlling/controller | 20:56 |
| M4rtinK | only that SDL is IIRC still broken on SFOS | 20:56 |
| M4rtinK | Mister_Magister: uhm | 20:56 |
| M4rtinK | NO | 20:56 |
| tortoisedoc_ | M4rtinK : even if you bundle your own= | 20:56 |
| Mister_Magister | SDK? HAHA Graphic not working | 20:56 |
| r0kk3rz | wut? | 20:57 |
| tortoisedoc_ | ? | 20:57 |
| M4rtinK | SD*L* | 20:57 |
| Mister_Magister | M4rtinK: what no? | 20:57 |
| M4rtinK | you don't need to do your custom button class to add action | 20:57 |
| tortoisedoc_ | well | 20:57 |
| tortoisedoc_ | time for a nite | 20:57 |
| tortoisedoc_ | 'nite | 20:57 |
| M4rtinK | place the code to run to the onClicked handler | 20:57 |
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| alterego | Mister_Magister: Sailfish has buttons for you | 20:58 |
| Mister_Magister | M4rtinK: what | 20:58 |
| alterego | Mister_Magister: https://sailfishos.org/develop/docs/silica/sailfish-silica-all.html/ | 20:58 |
| M4rtinK | & | 20:58 |
| M4rtinK | https://sailfishos.org/develop/docs/silica/qml-sailfishsilica-sailfish-silica-button.html/ | 20:58 |
| M4rtinK | here you go | 20:59 |
| Mister_Magister | and how to add simply c++ code to this? | 20:59 |
| alterego | Mister_Magister: if you need walking through this stuff, even after we posted this over an hour ago when you asked the first time. Then how do you expect to do this in C++? O_o | 20:59 |
| Mister_Magister | alterego: i didn't founded any tutorial | 21:00 |
| alterego | Mister_Magister: Google for "Integrating QML and C++" .. | 21:00 |
| alterego | Literally first link. | 21:00 |
| alterego | I suspect you should start off from "hello, world" and work yourself up .. | 21:00 |
| r0kk3rz | Mister_Magister: why do you need an action in Cpp? | 21:01 |
| Mister_Magister | r0kk3rz: because qml is unusable | 21:01 |
| alterego | Mister_Magister: I think you'll find the issue isn't QML, and rather your lack of understanding | 21:01 |
| Mister_Magister | alterego: nein :P | 21:02 |
| r0kk3rz | Mister_Magister: yeah throwing everything into cpp land at the earliest opportunity is going to get real messy real quick | 21:02 |
| kimmoli | :) | 21:02 |
| Mister_Magister | I want normal language like c++ c# java javascript because it;s impossible to use qml | 21:03 |
| r0kk3rz | qml has javacript in it | 21:03 |
| nh1402 | "normal language" is subjective | 21:03 |
| alterego | Mister_Magister: Application code in QML is javascript .. | 21:03 |
| Mister_Magister | javascript? this isn;t language | 21:03 |
| r0kk3rz | many people have made apps in qml, even entirely in qml, so far from 'impossible' | 21:03 |
| alterego | Mister_Magister: if you want C++, then just use Qt/C++, but it will take more effort to look good. | 21:04 |
| alterego | Mister_Magister: if you want Java, just write a Java Android application and run it in the Android compat .. | 21:05 |
| alterego | Sorted. | 21:05 |
| Mister_Magister | alterego: yup :P | 21:05 |
| Mister_Magister | it was only example | 21:05 |
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| Mister_Magister | there is not even semicolon this can't be language xD | 21:06 |
| nh1402 | if you need help with Android development, then I can help, (unless it's with native UI) | 21:06 |
| alterego | Mister_Magister: ... | 21:07 |
| kimmoli | you can use ; in QML js | 21:07 |
| r0kk3rz | Mister_Magister: its not meant to be a full do everything language, its meant as a UI definiton language | 21:07 |
| alterego | Mister_Magister: if you can't be fucked to code, don't, but why ask here how to do something and then say that the answer is unacceptable. Accept it, or move along :) | 21:08 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah if you want to do a native sailfish app, then its QML or spend forever compiling some other toolkit | 21:09 |
| r0kk3rz | which nobody will install anyway | 21:09 |
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| kimmoli | well, i know what Mister_Magister is going to do, so i might be interested on (atleast) testing the outcome :P | 21:11 |
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| alterego | I wouldn't just out of principle, he's rude. :P | 21:15 |
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| r0kk3rz | please enlighten us kimmoli, whats he trying to do? | 21:18 |
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| kimmoli | sim switcher for ported devices with dual sim | 21:23 |
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| r0kk3rz | ah i see | 21:28 |
| r0kk3rz | yeah that would be useful for such devices | 21:28 |
| r0kk3rz | wouldnt jolla want to do something like that for the intex phone though? | 21:29 |
| kimmoli | before sailfish gets dualsim .. | 21:29 |
| r0kk3rz | since its dual sim | 21:29 |
| alterego | I'm sure they have/are/will | 21:29 |
| kimmoli | afaiu it is implemented on intex branch already | 21:29 |
| kimmoli | but we mortals are far behind | 21:29 |
| r0kk3rz | well, it will launch with the intex then | 21:30 |
| r0kk3rz | which is in a month or so? | 21:31 |
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| r0kk3rz | so obviously the race is on, who will bring dual sim support to the masses first! | 21:34 |
| Mister_Magister | Sorry guys for my idiocy :/ Really sorry :( | 21:39 |
| Mister_Magister | i'll learn qml as other languages | 21:40 |
| alterego | Mister_Magister: it will take you less time than you think, and you'll love it :P | 21:40 |
| Mister_Magister | when i think longer, i thing, it's not that bad. I just don't understand it | 21:41 |
| Mister_Magister | but why grapihc mode in sdk is not working xd | 21:41 |
| r0kk3rz | the designer? yeah that doesnt work | 21:42 |
| alterego | Yeah, don't use that. | 21:42 |
| alterego | You know, if you want to write up the backend code in C++ for switching SIM, if that reall is what you're doing, then go ahead. I'm sure you'll have no problem finding someone to hack together a QML UI to put on top of it. | 21:42 |
| r0kk3rz | Mister_Magister: honestly, qml is the best UI definition language I have come across, why you want to write UIs is CPP is beyond me | 21:43 |
| kimmoli | simple ui with silica is really simple to do. | 21:43 |
| alterego | otoh, there are ofono bindings for QML, you should in theory be able to do the whole thing without writing any C++ at all .. | 21:43 |
| kimmoli | isnt it doable over dbus too? | 21:45 |
| Mister_Magister | Gui in winapi is the best thing on the earth. It's like writing chinese when you know only englsih | 21:45 |
| Mister_Magister | so how run console command? | 21:45 |
| kimmoli | what was the command? | 21:45 |
| kimmoli | dbus-send something? or? | 21:46 |
| Mister_Magister | kimmoli: yes | 21:46 |
| Mister_Magister | something | 21:46 |
| Mister_Magister | give me a moment | 21:46 |
| Mister_Magister | dbus-send --system --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=org.ofono / org.nemomobile.ofono.ModemManager.SetEnabledModems array:objpath:/ril_0 | 21:47 |
| kimmoli | then i lead you here https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/nemo-qml-plugin-dbus/blob/master/doc/src/examples.qdoc | 21:47 |
| Mister_Magister | you see 0 on the end. i want to make switch button to run this command with 0 or 1 | 21:47 |
| kimmoli | or here https://sailfishos.org/develop/docs/nemo-qml-plugin-dbus/ | 21:47 |
| alterego | Mister_Magister: ah, you'll want to use the dbus API | 21:47 |
| alterego | kimmoli, is ahead there. :) | 21:47 |
| Mister_Magister | i'll try to understand and use that thanks | 21:48 |
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| r0kk3rz | kimmoli: dont be like that kimmo, you have perfect example code of exactly this app | 21:51 |
| kimmoli | me? | 21:51 |
| r0kk3rz | yes you | 21:51 |
| kimmoli | wheres the fun part if you get everything on silverplate, well github | 21:52 |
| r0kk3rz | kimmoli: yes this is true :) | 21:53 |
| Mister_Magister | hmmm i don't understand this :P | 21:53 |
| alterego | Mister_Magister: well, you're in the right place to ask questions ;) | 21:53 |
| * kimmoli says good night... | 21:53 | |
| Mister_Magister | alterego: i'll ask when i'll add toggle button | 21:54 |
| Mister_Magister | can somebody give me link for togglebutton? | 21:57 |
| r0kk3rz | Mister_Magister: read the docs on sailfishos.org | 21:57 |
| Mister_Magister | ok | 21:57 |
| r0kk3rz | learn where things are | 21:57 |
| alterego | For the third time I think: https://sailfishos.org/develop/docs/silica/sailfish-silica-all.html/ | 21:58 |
| alterego | All the widgets you need are there. | 21:58 |
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| * Mister_Magister achievement get! Know how to use variables xDDDD | 22:12 | |
| alterego | :) | 22:18 |
| Mister_Magister | ok i have all | 22:20 |
| Mister_Magister | now how to run that dbus command? | 22:21 |
| alterego | You need to make a DBusInterface instance in QML | 22:22 |
| Mister_Magister | wait i think i got this | 22:22 |
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| Mister_Magister | alterego: dbus interface have id profiled so i have yo use prifiled.call | 22:23 |
| Mister_Magister | but how to import dbus library | 22:24 |
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| alterego | https://git.merproject.org/mer-core/nemo-qml-plugin-dbus/blob/master/doc/src/examples.qdoc | 22:25 |
| Mister_Magister | yes i have this i don't asking for that xD | 22:25 |
| Mister_Magister | i'll try this tomorrow | 22:27 |
| alterego | Read it, it answers your question. | 22:27 |
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